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Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversation. I am your host, Rashan McDonald.

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Speaker 1: the show to discuss this new book, You Look So

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Speaker 1: Much Better in Person. It's great title. His journey is

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Speaker 1: buy this book. Please, welcome to money making Conversation. I'm

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Speaker 1: calling my friend Our Roker. Hi, right John? How are

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Speaker 1: you pretty good? My friend? Uh? This is a book

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Speaker 1: Welcome the money Magan Conversation Debora Joy, Why didn't OH

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Speaker 1: bad situation. And so but you stood your ground with

640
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: your character, and I just love the way you're being

641
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: brought back into the family, the family, and I like

642
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: the way the season is allowing to say that everybody

643
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: has flaws and that's what life feels about. And so

644
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: you keep pulling the finger like the other things to say.

645
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: If you pulling the finger, somebody remember another part of

646
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: that hand is pointing back at you exactly. And I

647
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: look at that character, I go, wow, So now this

648
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: is this season here. But it has been special because

649
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: of the fact that you know, we taught you was

650
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: about to meet the man of your dreams, and he

651
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: left your charity. He left it for the skinny white lady.

652
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,919
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god. And you're playing well

653
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: on to char every time you look at it. Every

654
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: time you look at it, look like she got got

655
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: enough meat on her. Every time you look at it.

656
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: You need a big man. Can you go? Can you

657
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: look at the last night without watching you and when

658
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: you walked in that office and you go, you need

659
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: to talk to your dad. You need to talk to

660
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: your father yourself, yes, yeah, But you know the thing

661
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 1: about it is you When when I look at your character,

662
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: what surprised you the most? When you okay, you got

663
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,720
Speaker 1: the opportunity to play this role, all right, you necessary,

664
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 1: you are newbie. You didn't have the resumes that everybody

665
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: else had when you walked up to the set. How

666
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: did you really start feeling comfortable about yourself in the

667
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: process of developing this character and accepting the responsibilities of

668
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: being this character Charity? Well, this is what I will say, Um,

669
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: when you do do your work and uh, and you're

670
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: in Hollywood and you continuously get a lot of no, man,

671
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: stay consistent in doing your work, because when you do

672
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: get that yes, the work will be there to to

673
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: allow you to stands hall and so I got comfortable. Uh,

674
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: I went there and send my comfortable because I know

675
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: my gifts, I know what I can do, I know

676
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: the training that I've gone through, I know the hours

677
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: that I've put in. But when we did the first

678
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: day of shooting Season one, we did that table then,

679
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: and that was my first time with Keith, that was

680
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: my first time with everybody, and Oprah was there and uh,

681
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: we did my close up. I was the second person

682
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: to get a close up and my fourth take. I

683
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: nailed that thing. And when they called cut, Oprah came

684
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: over to me crying and she said, that's it. That

685
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: was it, that was it, and she said I'm done.

686
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: And when I knew that, she didn't regret that for

687
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,439
Speaker 1: a moment, the decision she made to champion me, even

688
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: when people said I didn't have it. I was like, Okay,

689
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: I'm good. Now, let's get in here, let's work, let's grow,

690
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: let's learn. I'm There's no way I'm not gonna grow

691
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: when I'm sitting that to someone like keep David and

692
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: Lynn with Field. But at that point I was ready

693
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: to not just do my work, but to learn and

694
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: to keep growing. Um, that's that's when I got comfortable

695
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: and then learning all of the sides of charity. Charity

696
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 1: is so multifact of it. And she's so many things,

697
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: and she's she's a single mom. She's been through so

698
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: much and she's just real. She's really real and relatable.

699
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 1: Were very relatable, and I want to talk about because

700
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: we're gonna get back to this because I'm not through

701
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: what anybody listening. I'm not through it greatly. But when

702
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: you have a last name named Winners, okay, you just

703
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: remember that's w I N A N Okay. That is

704
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: a legacy of music because I know BB and I

705
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: know CC and so you gotta be able to sing

706
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 1: even you can't see. You gotta make up some notes

707
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: like you can see, find an instrument, some drums and something.

708
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: Got the music related when you got wine. You have

709
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,240
Speaker 1: this beautiful song. You know the video dropped in June

710
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: because I was watching it last night, and the single

711
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: drops Friday, July thirty. First. It's called I Won't Stop Breathing,

712
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 1: and it's dedicated to the victims of racial violence, including

713
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: George Floyd, Brianna Taylor, Trayvon Martin Um on Aubrey. I'm

714
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: down in Atlanta, Georgia. I'm very familiar when armand Aubrey

715
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 1: situations on the news on the data basis, Brother Taylor

716
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: out of Louisville, h treyvon Martin out of Florida, and

717
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: of course George Floyd death, unfortunate death, has inspired all

718
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: these incredible changes that we're about. But I won't stop

719
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: breathing at the I just want to quote something at

720
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: the very front, so James Baldwin quote that you have

721
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: at the very front of the video. To be a

722
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: Negro in this country and to be relatively conscious is

723
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: to be enraged almost all the time. That's an amazing

724
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: statement because as a black man, uh because because I

725
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: remember when the when the when the riots broke out,

726
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: that a lot of white friends called me asking me

727
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: how how was I Was I all right? And I

728
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: have explained to him that how you see as me

729
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: all the time? That let me I'm happy, but I

730
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: am not happy when the policeman stops me because I'm concerned.

731
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: That's why he's stopping me, because I don't know what's

732
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 1: gonna happen at that stop. And that's what that line

733
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: is said that black people are constantly in a rage

734
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: and we have to We've learned to deal with that,

735
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: and that's not fair because it affects your health. And

736
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 1: what was your thought process? I know I'm sharing my thoughts,

737
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: but an amazing quote by James Ball wanted to lead

738
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: off your video, and you close it with the amazing

739
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 1: president of Barack Obama speaking talk about that whole sequence

740
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: of putting this together. Then we talked through the to

741
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,439
Speaker 1: the through the lines of the of the song because

742
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: I'm a lyricist and I love listening to the great music.

743
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: Talk to us, Debora Joy Whinings, Um, yes, I won't

744
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: stop breathing. It's you know, we went through a hard

745
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: time and I recognized that the pandemic of the coronavirus

746
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: still going on, but really all that did to me

747
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 1: and I just God makes no mistakes. This whole world

748
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: got shut down and everybody has to watch what was

749
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: really happening to black people around this country, and nobody

750
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: could turn a blind I nobody could say, well, I

751
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to see that I was doing this.

752
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: I was traveling where I was no everybody but within

753
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: the house. They couldn't go nowhere, and they were forced

754
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: to see the tragedy and the plight of the black lights.

755
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: And um, for me, it awakened me to a whole

756
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: new level because someone was murdered in broad daylight and

757
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: this man just did not care and and and it

758
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: hurt me so deeply. And and I am a woman

759
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: of faith. I love the Lord. This was the first

760
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: time in my life where I said, Jesus, where are you?

761
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: Can't I can't feel you right now. It just hurt

762
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: and so UM. After a couple of weeks of just

763
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: just in my feeling, you know, when you're at that

764
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: place of you ain't got none good to say, they

765
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: don't say none at all. I didn't have anything good

766
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: and um, and then one day I got into the

767
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: shower and it just hit me. I said, oh my god.

768
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: I grabbed my husband. I said, that's the song that

769
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 1: I just did a demo for. Because I decided, if

770
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to do music, it needs to be something

771
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: I love. It needs to be something that I can

772
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: relate to, that that feels to sue to me or

773
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 1: else it won't feel some sue to anybody else listening.

774
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to do things just to do it.

775
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: And so I had already decided I want to do

776
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: this song. I just didn't know, you know, where it

777
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: would be placed or what it was before. And I

778
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: said that demo that I just did the song that

779
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: my brother wrote, that's for right now, that's right now.

780
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: I have this idea. I want to do this visual. Um,

781
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: I want this, this and this. I said, we need

782
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,439
Speaker 1: to honor our people, are people that are dying every

783
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: day for no reason. And my husband took everything I said.

784
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: I called a bunch of my friends. I was like,

785
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: I just need you to make a video and hope

786
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 1: sign and they were like, what do what I say? Dude?

787
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: I say please please? They held it up for you

788
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: to look. They did. I love them dearly and I

789
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: some of your cash members came through too, well, yes

790
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: they did. That's my family and um. And so I

791
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 1: told my asbl what I wanted. He put it together

792
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: and he was like, well, do you want to go

793
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: and like we record the song, like you know, in

794
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 1: a better way. I said, no, I don't care about

795
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 1: my voice. Like, this is what it is. It's about

796
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,760
Speaker 1: this visual, It's about this moment. It's about these people recognizing,

797
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: um that there is hope for me. This song allows

798
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: you to have this heartbreak. It allows you to feel

799
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: the way you feel. It's okay that you are angry,

800
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: but it also lets you know in your anger, you

801
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: cannot let go, you cannot stop breathing just because somebody

802
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: else doesn't think that you're worthy or you're worthy thing

803
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: you are And and to me, the ultimate letting them

804
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: win is to stop reading. And so we won't stop reading.

805
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 1: We don't care what you think. And I was like,

806
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 1: that's the light. That's the thing that I think people

807
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: need to see. The people that went out and started

808
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: protesting right away, those front liners, we are all with

809
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 1: you and together if we will not stop. And that

810
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: was my that was my heart. That's been my hope.

811
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: And then you know, the we put the visual out

812
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,919
Speaker 1: and then people were like, look can we get the song?

813
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: Is it? Oh? You want? You want? I was. I

814
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: was just emotionally charged, you know, I was. I was

815
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 1: just I was just you know, shower and it just

816
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,439
Speaker 1: hit me and I told my husband, told the people,

817
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: don't hold up aside. And I watched the video five

818
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: times this morning and I go, okay, this is because

819
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: you know, because just here's the complimentary things I got

820
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: to say, you're a beautiful woman and you have a

821
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: brilliant smile and so indeed, but that that's not what's important.

822
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: In this video. You didn't care about makeup, You didn't care,

823
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 1: you were just you. I saw a raw, uh, emotional person,

824
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: and I wanted to ask you because that's an important

825
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: question because you have a gift to be able to sing,

826
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: but when the emotion can kind of interfere with that process,

827
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: how did you hold it together? Debora and singing this

828
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: great song? I won't stop breathing. Oh I barely did.

829
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: I was crying because we shot, we the stuff of me,

830
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: We shot right in our homes, and I just I

831
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: kept telling my husband like, well, I can't. I need

832
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: a second because thinking about it makes me angry. Thinking

833
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 1: about it hurts my heart. Thinking about it is like

834
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: oh God, why are there so many names? And so

835
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: I didn't hold it together. I broke down several times

836
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: and um, but that that's where we are, and I

837
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: know that that's okay. So there was no holding anything

838
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 1: to get there. We don't you know, like this is

839
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: an idea and you know you you you sent around

840
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: and you said hold up this sign. I won't stop

841
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: breathing and then send me the video. How did they

842
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: feel when they when the videos started coming into you,

843
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: How how did that feel to you when you saw

844
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it blessed my heart to know that

845
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: I had people that really are my friends, really are

846
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: there for me whatever you need um. And it was

847
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: just a sign that we are all together in this

848
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: and we're all gonna fight this as best we know how.

849
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: We're all gonna offer whatever we have to offer. And

850
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: that's what I tell people. It doesn't matter if you

851
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: are like, well, I'm not a protesters, that's okay. Well

852
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 1: I can't really donate, that's okay. But there's something you

853
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: can do with your time to serve the movement, to

854
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: serve the cause, to push the needle forward. There is

855
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: something you can do. If you got rest in your body,

856
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: there's something you can do. So find your something. You know,

857
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,439
Speaker 1: when you say that statement about Roshawn, you said, Richard looked,

858
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: it was just the right time. You know. The pandemic

859
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: got people that just sit down, watch TV and then

860
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: create conversation. That's what the lockdown did for us when

861
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: we saw this George Floyd's situation, Because you see how

862
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: white people are reacting to this. You know, black people,

863
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: we've been angry. We were born angry. Okay, we've been mad.

864
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: We've been dealing with a stomach racism, blatant racism of

865
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 1: all types since based on our color, the color of

866
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: our skids. Always PEO when I walking around, wen't black, man,

867
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: I'm black. You you you can be white and you

868
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: can be different things. And you know, so that's understood.

869
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: What is your thoughts when you see that? To me,

870
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: I'm so happy because I know that they're they're participating.

871
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: I'm happy they're angry because of the fact that there

872
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 1: can be no change unless they see there's a need

873
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: for change. Absolutely, there can be no change unless they

874
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 1: see the need. Um. But don't if the gloves are off.

875
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: I'm not going to baby you. I'm not. I don't

876
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: have white friends calling me talking about what can I do?

877
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 1: Go do some research. Stop talking to me talking. I'm

878
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 1: done trying to hold your hands through this. No, you

879
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: need to hold my hand and having my back. You

880
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: go do the work and you figure out a way

881
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: that you can help, and you can lend that that

882
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,240
Speaker 1: privilege that you have been born with to the cause.

883
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: They figure out a way. That's Mr Trump Michigan talking

884
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: right there. Mr Trump, right there, girl, come on down down,

885
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: And there's nothing wrong with that. And that's why you know,

886
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: and and and and he's seeing this. You know, I

887
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,439
Speaker 1: brought you on the show to talk about green Leaf

888
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: and then they told me about this video and this

889
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: song that was dropping this Friday. Did you lie through

890
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: the first I'm gonna tell you, tell you people to

891
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,479
Speaker 1: send me banners. So I got almost a million social

892
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: media followers that have fan clubs and all this nay

893
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 1: present of my followers a female, and so I want

894
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: to drop it on Friday. He's dropping on Friday. I

895
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: Wishan mcdonnal wants to dropping on his social media on

896
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: Friday too. That's that's my blessing. That's the blessing of

897
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: this relationship in this brand that I have because I'm

898
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: doing this for free, because you know, God is giving

899
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: me a gift and Elaine, Now, Elaine to talk to

900
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: people the way I want to talk and ensure them

901
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: that I'm there for you. Now, with that being said,

902
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,720
Speaker 1: you close the video with a message from former President

903
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: Barack Obama tell us about that. Well, I think that's

904
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: the light. I think that that is um. You know,

905
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 1: once we get past that sort of hurting place and

906
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 1: that rage, um, we we end on the fact that

907
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: we recognize that there is evil in this world, but

908
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: we can overcome that we can. And he represents so

909
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: much to us, not only his his wisdom, but the

910
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 1: fact that he was our first black president, the fact,

911
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 1: the fact that he's that the fact that people like

912
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: John Lewis were a god they were able to see

913
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: that come to refruition that we we've come away, but

914
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 1: we've got a ways to go. But my god, we

915
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:20,720
Speaker 1: had President Barack Obama, and to me, he represents hope. Girl,

916
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: I invited the right come on please because you know,

917
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: because because that hold John Lewis thing, you know, it's

918
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: it's when I see it. Years old. When he was

919
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: seventeen years old, he met Rosa Parks. When he was

920
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: eighteen years old, he met Dr Martin Luther King. Years old,

921
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: he had the courage to walk over a bridge. He's

922
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: not a big man now and walk into that. I

923
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 1: don't know emotionally how fast my heart would have been beaten.

924
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if I had been that that and

925
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: that close to the front. Okay, but they see that

926
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:00,040
Speaker 1: moment and to see him get to walk along in

927
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 1: d C and that black lives matter them all that

928
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: they've created. It's a testament that God allowed him to

929
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: see that experience that be a part of that because

930
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: he he was at the last stage, because he was

931
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,919
Speaker 1: really for all you can see physically he had lost

932
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: a lot of weight, but he made that trip like

933
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: he made all those trips for us. And now your

934
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: song is another song is making a trip. It's part

935
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,720
Speaker 1: of the bigger perspective. We don't have individual leaders, but Debora,

936
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 1: you are a leader. You are a person who has

937
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: woke up one day and say, look, it's not about fame,

938
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: It's about how I feel. And social media allows me

939
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: to be able to communicate my voice in a positive

940
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: manner and remind people, and not about you being my fan.

941
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: It's about we can all make a difference. And this

942
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: song about is about you allowing you to make that difference.

943
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: And I want to say thank you that part. Thank

944
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: you on that part. Now let's get back to Green

945
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: Leave before we wrap up here, because it's two episodes

946
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: were little, little little assessment on me about Green Leap,

947
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: strong female characters and I'm talking to pastor because she

948
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: wants to be a pastor. You know that go now

949
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: pastor charity agreeing that's what she wants to be. Not

950
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 1: everybody need to know that she is fighting to be

951
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: seen for who she is despite anyone else's thought or

952
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: feelings about her. That who that I felt that character is.

953
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: And then you have other dynamic characters who play a

954
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: different role, like Rochelle and Tarra about the house. And

955
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: so when I look at it, because when I had

956
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: land on the show, I said, you know, rarely do

957
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: you see shows like this, whether we have male characters,

958
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 1: but this show is really about females and their perspective

959
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: and their role that they play in the dominance that

960
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: they have in our world today. And that that really

961
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: that really drove home to me. The journey to your characters.

962
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 1: You know, you have to, like I had to pull

963
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: your spirit up and be able to deal with you know,

964
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: the male female relationships. There's the sister brother relationship, but

965
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 1: also the relationship and have this character become a what

966
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: it is today. Because I love the character I've always

967
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 1: I always enjoyed because it's real, but also I have

968
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: mistakes in my life and so and I have to

969
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: deal with it, and so you had to deal with

970
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: it in a famous family. We're talking about the show

971
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: now because you you deal with in the real life too,

972
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: because in your name and so so that's why when

973
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: I when I see that open, looked at you. She

974
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: you know, this was a very relatable story from the

975
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:27,240
Speaker 1: standpoint of you know, it's gospel. Okay, you're famous. Okay,

976
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna have you over the choir. You can sing.

977
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: So so this character has been brilliantly designed for you.

978
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: It's not the it's not you know you said, it's

979
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: a wonderful blessing and opportunity your life. Believe me when

980
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: I say this to you, Debora, God has some great

981
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: things that are gonna happen to you because you are

982
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: a talited girl. You atality. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

983
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: I appreciate that it and you should receive this as well.

984
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: That moment last night when all three of you guys

985
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 1: would like laughing, I'm talking about grades of g G

986
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 1: if you want to call it. That, Jacob and y'all,

987
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 1: that was that was unique to me because I think

988
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: for me in the series, that was the that was

989
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: the journey you all came to realize that mom is flawed,

990
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: so we can relax. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And that's where

991
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: we were able to really see each other for who

992
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 1: we are, see the beauty in our flaws, see the

993
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: beauty in our differences, and and be good with it.

994
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: Be okay with it because lady because Lady May was

995
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,399
Speaker 1: all over poled. Jacob Poeld Jacobs Boar, he just thought

996
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 1: she was Jesus. She was a female Jesus. The way

997
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: he was talking to her. He's just said, I can't

998
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: understand you. You pull up at the car. What's going on?

999
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 1: What's going on? Absolutely? And she make that statement and

1000
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So and now we have a different

1001
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: we have we have two episodes left. I'm not asking

1002
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: you real anything. Rashawn knows the show, okay, I know.

1003
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: I know Sophia knows. She and put the little the

1004
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: little pictures out there online. And how the mama know

1005
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,919
Speaker 1: about that. I know about the little board, the little son.

1006
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: You know, he he got HIV. He's dealing with that.

1007
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 1: Looked like his spirits are coming up because he's geting

1008
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 1: g t O car designed with you know, with the bishop,

1009
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: and they may lose the house and all these good stuff.

1010
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 1: We find out that Bob is a rip off audience

1011
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: been ripping off black people for years with predatory lending.

1012
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: And then Zara she wants to leave New York because

1013
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: of the possible divorce between mom and dad. And then

1014
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: what does where do you fall in all of this,

1015
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: my dear, As we go to the Finches line August level,

1016
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: by the way, Fernando is a we find out Fernando's

1017
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: a thuga. Fernando's a total for sure. The finish line,

1018
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: I think, I think what you find is that the

1019
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: family will recognize for the first time in all these years,

1020
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: that they are much better to gether thank you than

1021
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: they are with their own separate ideas and circumstances and desires.

1022
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: They are better together. They come back together, They come

1023
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: back to the foundation of who they are. They come

1024
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 1: back to their love for each other and their love

1025
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: for God, and and that's the way to to move forward.

1026
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 1: And I think that that is the beauty of how

1027
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: um we kind of complete this journey. Family understands that

1028
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: family is first. Right now, to understand, you have another

1029
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: project that's coming up, another movie project that's coming up.

1030
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: I do. I'm actually here filming now, Come on, I

1031
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: told you, told your blesses were coming. I told you,

1032
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: I told you you did, you did and have to

1033
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: see it. Um, you know it's it's really really amazing.

1034
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: I'm not allowed to talk about it problem, but I'm

1035
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: super grateful as an amazing cast, amazing director and UH

1036
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 1: something very very different from charity. So I'm super excited

1037
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: for everyone to check it out. Well, all I know

1038
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: is that you you know you, you can your brilliant singer,

1039
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: you can definitely act, you stay in the course you

1040
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: know and UH and believe that the path that this

1041
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 1: show is presented to you has created a fan base

1042
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 1: for you. UH also created a base for you to

1043
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: be able to announce how you feel and you can

1044
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: put it on video or put it in the song. Again.

1045
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: The finale of Green Leaf is obviously leveled, but more importantly,

1046
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: Friday July thirty four tell us about that song and

1047
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: why we should why we should buy Friday to list.

1048
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: I Won't Stop Leaving is minor single. I think if

1049
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: you feel like you need any piece of hope, it

1050
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: is something that you should grab. It will allow you

1051
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: to feel, it will allow you to heal. We're More importantly,

1052
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: it allowed me to understand that people like you can

1053
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: take the time and fame is interesting because of some

1054
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: of the things that we find ourselves are being distracted.

1055
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: You said you're about to you know you you're doing

1056
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: the press. This is basically a press junket right now

1057
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: talking about talking about you talking about your upcoming single.

1058
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: Then also you're the set of a new movie that

1059
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: you can't talk about. Then you also have to have

1060
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 1: a balanced life that you have to deal with, deal

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Speaker 1: with the pandemic, you got to deal with being black

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Speaker 1: in America. But for you to say, hey, you know so, Rashan,

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Speaker 1: I just want to let everybody know I care, and

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Speaker 1: I also let everybody know I do feel there's the

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Speaker 1: situation that we all live in, not just me, because

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Speaker 1: you know, we all have a slice of life where

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Speaker 1: we live a little bit better than other people, but

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Speaker 1: we all should be treated as the same. Man. I

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Speaker 1: just want to thank you for coming on the show,

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Speaker 1: deborl and keeping keep living. The wine is name girl,

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Speaker 1: the wine name. But I love you, I really I

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Speaker 1: love you. I know I called you the last minute

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Speaker 1: to be on this show, and the fact you showed

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Speaker 1: up let you know you believe in Rishand because I

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Speaker 1: had something to tell your girl. I have something to

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Speaker 1: tell you, and I appreciate you brother, thank you for

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Speaker 1: having me safe. Now we talk soon and when this

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Speaker 1: we talked about this movie. Okay, absolutely, and tell him

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Speaker 1: the AD Council. Our next guess is a three time

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Speaker 1: in double a CP Image Award nominated Actors, actor, producer, author,

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Speaker 1: and motivational speaker. You've seen him starting shows like movies

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Speaker 1: like Soul Food, Lincoln Heights, Dumped the Yard, and he

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Speaker 1: also can be seen on the U m C new

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Speaker 1: drama series Double Cross, the original series not streaming right

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Speaker 1: now on U m C. Here is currently one of

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Speaker 1: the stars on Carl Webber and b T Plus. It

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Speaker 1: was on BT Now It's Onna b T plus The

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Speaker 1: Family Business as Orlando Duncan hear me, Orlando Duncan, He's dangerous, y'all,

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Speaker 1: The charismatic son of l. C. Duncan even more dangerous

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Speaker 1: played by Annie Ernie Hudson and the Mama Valerie whoa Charlotte.

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Speaker 1: This show is incredible The Duntors are a prominent family

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Speaker 1: from Jamaica queens who owned an exotic car dealership called

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Speaker 1: Duncan Motors. By day, they are on an upstanding family.

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Speaker 1: By night, they live a dangerous secret life and it's

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Speaker 1: about sex, murder, more sex, mafia, more sex, drug cartels.

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Speaker 1: The Duncans are a ride or die family. Please walk

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Speaker 1: with the money making conversation. He plays the character Orlando Ducking,

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Speaker 1: but his real name is Derethy with Henson, how your

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Speaker 1: dormer brother. It's good to be love that that's the

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Speaker 1: beautiful and she does you know you look, you know

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Speaker 1: there is you know man, um, you know, just seeing

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Speaker 1: your career man, soul food did with my girl Felicia

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Speaker 1: Henderson and just uh coming on the show when I

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01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: was managing Steve Harvey and all those years just talking

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Speaker 1: and just seeing your career man, and it's it's a

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Speaker 1: body of workman that you have to be proud of.

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Speaker 1: Huh Yeah, I'm I'm appreciative. You know. I I was

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Speaker 1: able very very early on to watch very successful people

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Speaker 1: and as you said, not just successful financially, but success mentally,

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Speaker 1: success spiritually. And what I found is that that comes

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01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: from um, what we do often. You know, what's done

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Speaker 1: in the dark, is done is shown in the light.

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01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: So when you're working when nobody can see you, then

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Speaker 1: it gets shown in the light. I believe those people

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Speaker 1: are are the blessed ones. And um, so I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't wait for anybody to acknowledge me or recognize me.

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Speaker 1: They'll see the work, um when it appears. But the

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Speaker 1: work has to be done when nobody is watching. Well,

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Speaker 1: guess what a lot of people watching you, my friend.

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Speaker 1: And you know that too, and your social media, when

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Speaker 1: you're walking down the street, you're buying groceries. You are

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01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 1: a very recognizable face, now, aren't you, sir? Yes, sir,

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01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 1: and I and I'm thankful for it and I appreciated

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Speaker 1: you know, all the way from dance to choreography to

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01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 1: now acting and and and the ring. I'm just uh,

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01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: you know, I've been given the ability to be inspired

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01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: to do all of these things, and so I just

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01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: do them. I just do them. I get it done. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's let's talk. Let's let's go to acting first, okay,

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01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna slide in the entrepreneurship, which is

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01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: your your clothing line T shirts. And then we're gonna

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Speaker 1: go into the BT. Plus car Weber's the family Business.

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Speaker 1: Now you MC new drama Double Cross. Tell us about

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Speaker 1: that and what time and data comes? Yes, Double Crosses

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Speaker 1: streaming live right now on the U m C network. Um,

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Speaker 1: everybody knows that Bob Johnson that his network Uh and

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Speaker 1: uh Crystal uh and Howard Gibson created this show called

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Speaker 1: Double Cross and it's fantastic. I played Detective Ryan on

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Speaker 1: the show. And the and the show is about a

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Speaker 1: set of twins who are actually vigilante, but vigilante is

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Speaker 1: for good. So in some aspect there's superheroes. They are

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Speaker 1: against child trafficking and they decided to do something about it.

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Speaker 1: And m you know it's Eric and Erica Cross uh

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Speaker 1: and uh played by Jeff Lows and and Ashley Williams.

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Speaker 1: And I believe it's the first of its kind. And um,

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Speaker 1: I was blessed to get called by by how it

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Speaker 1: gets him. You know, he said, look, man, I want

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Speaker 1: Darren Hinson to play this detective and uh, oh man,

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Speaker 1: it was. It was beautiful. You know a lot of

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Speaker 1: times in in this industry you've got to audition and

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Speaker 1: do things and and uh, you know, it's it's beautiful

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Speaker 1: to just be called because of your pass work. And

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Speaker 1: that's what they say, you know, your your your passwork

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Speaker 1: is your audition for your next job. And so you know,

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Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, I've been blessed to have

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Speaker 1: done many different movies and TV shows by UM Call

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Speaker 1: and Response. So what that simply means is my work

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01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 1: is now speaking for itself. And I've been blessed to

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Speaker 1: be in the role of Detective Ran on The Double

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Speaker 1: Cross East UM which is, as I said, again, on

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Speaker 1: the UMC network. We have six episodes there and it's

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Speaker 1: the first of this kind. This type of show has

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01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 1: never been seen before and it's one of those thrillers

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01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: shows that will keep you on the edge of your seat.

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01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 1: UM and I think impactful shows because of the topic

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Speaker 1: at hand. And so again it's it's it's something that

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Speaker 1: I'm very, very proud of. And uh, we are already

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Speaker 1: looking forward to the second season and are greenlets in

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Speaker 1: the second season. Wow, that's really good. Important because I

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Speaker 1: always tell peop about about the entertainment business because there's

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Speaker 1: so much uncertainty and when you see you have a

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Speaker 1: check coming, you can kind of breathe a little relax

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Speaker 1: a little bit and say, hey, man, I gotta I

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01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 1: gotta check coming because I can plan differently where sometimes

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Speaker 1: I've been on shows where you thinking about to do

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Speaker 1: twenties episodes and over after three because I stay uncertainty

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Speaker 1: of this business. And how how have you mentally been

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Speaker 1: able to deal with that over the years? Darn well?

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Speaker 1: You know I learned, as I said, very early on,

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Speaker 1: I had the ability to work with Michael Jackson with

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Speaker 1: prints you know, as most people know, you know, I

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Speaker 1: created the dance steps for Instincts by Bye Bye, worked

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Speaker 1: with Britney Spears, worked with Christina Aguilera and Kate Classes.

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Speaker 1: So very early on I learned to manage money and

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Speaker 1: and and and there was a saying, you know, you

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Speaker 1: can work hard for your money, or you can make

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Speaker 1: your money work hard for you. You know, masterp Uh

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01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 1: talked about that all the time. And so when you

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Speaker 1: when you have great mentors, um and and in society

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01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 1: you can see other people's failures. That's a great teacher

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Speaker 1: as well. And so I've I've been able to um

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Speaker 1: you know, do what I was told to do, which

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Speaker 1: is make my money work for me and not disrespect

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01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:52,919
Speaker 1: the process of money. Money is a currency and needs

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01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 1: to keep flowing. So investments were important to me. Giving

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Speaker 1: to the right people at the right times were important

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Speaker 1: to me. And then being a blessing to people is

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01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 1: incredibly important, not throwing away money, but blessing the right

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Speaker 1: people where it becomes a seed that gets planted and rooted,

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Speaker 1: which germinates and grows into a tree that produces food

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01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 1: that creates other seeds. So for those people who are

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Speaker 1: are spiritual in this thought, you know what I'm talking about,

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01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 1: that way, that way, you don't have to be of

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Speaker 1: those who are who are just surviving, but you could

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01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 1: be thriving because of things that you have done that

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01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 1: speak for you in the past. It's really amazing when

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Speaker 1: I look at the you know when I say amazing,

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Speaker 1: I mean when we were younger. You know, we we

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Speaker 1: don't see it. We don't even we're just doing it.

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Speaker 1: We're just doing it. As you get older, you know,

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Speaker 1: the opportunity to get less and less because that we're

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01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 1: getting old in Hollywood does to you. And you appreciate

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01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 1: the moments that you get, but you really get that

1238
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 1: moment from your resume or your body of work. That's

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01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 1: why it's important relationships that you cultivated, going on set

1240
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 1: to being a professional, being showing up on time, being dependable.

1241
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 1: That's what really what we're talking about on this call

1242
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 1: is that your career and the and the quality of work,

1243
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 1: the quality of respect and the professionals is what's keeping

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01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 1: you in the business along with your talents. But some

1245
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 1: type talents could be usurved because of ignorance. That's right.

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01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 1: Talented will only take you so far. I mean you,

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01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:27,599
Speaker 1: you and I we have seen each other many different times,

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01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:30,719
Speaker 1: you know, along the years. And one of the things

1249
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 1: that is important is you've got to know that talent

1250
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 1: can only get you so far. You have to have

1251
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:39,640
Speaker 1: great work ethic. You also have to have great relationships

1252
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 1: that you consistently build. In this industry, you know, they're

1253
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 1: the same, each one teach one, maybe we can reach one.

1254
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 1: And what we know um in this universe is the

1255
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:53,680
Speaker 1: constant is change. People are changing from high positions all

1256
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: the time, you know, ceo CEOs of company are always interchanging.

1257
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:02,800
Speaker 1: So relationship it's are very very important. And then your

1258
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 1: mind developing is very important because nothing stays the same.

1259
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 1: You know, technology is growing, so there are people imagine

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01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 1: being a person who uses a typewriter today in the

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01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:18,679
Speaker 1: day of computer imagine a person who just mails things,

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01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 1: you know, overseves a post to sending an email which

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01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 1: gets in you know, a person's uh inbox in a nanosecond.

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01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 1: So you you you've got to consistently grow in society

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01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 1: and growing. You have to grow mentally, physically, spiritual, Well

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Speaker 1: not physically, but you know you have to grow mentally

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01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 1: and spiritually and and economically in order to thrive in

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01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:45,640
Speaker 1: today's market space. And and it takes cultivation and relationships

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Speaker 1: in order to do that. Well, you know, it's really

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01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 1: important that you say that. And it also talks about

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01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:54,559
Speaker 1: understanding multiple strains of income. And that's why that's why

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Speaker 1: you brought up to dancing. He was acting, dancing, other opportunities, modeling,

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01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 1: all kinds of things that keep that check flowing. And

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01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 1: now you're moving to another line of being an entrepreneur

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01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 1: in the in the clothing line area. Talked to us

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01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 1: about that and why was it important to to go

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Speaker 1: in that direction with your career with your brain, Well,

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01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:17,680
Speaker 1: you know, sustainability is incredibly important and um, you know,

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Speaker 1: when it comes to housing, you know, investment properties are important. Um,

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01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:28,640
Speaker 1: reinvestment of the money that you had, right, because inflation happens. Right.

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01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 1: It costs more for a local bread today than it

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01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:33,679
Speaker 1: did five years ago. Of course, more for milk today

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01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 1: than it did five years ago, and cost more for

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01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:38,640
Speaker 1: water today than it did five years ago. And so

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01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 1: sustainability is incredibly important. And so one of the things

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Speaker 1: that I realized was UM. And this came after a

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Speaker 1: very close friend of mine, UM experienced a death in

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01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 1: the family, a suicide, and it was because of UM,

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01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 1: you know, them not being able to handle levels of

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Speaker 1: difficulty and just stress and and and unfortunately she committed suicide.

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Speaker 1: And I said, man, I've got to do something now.

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Speaker 1: People know that I speak, you know, long and strong.

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01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 1: I speak you know, for companies UM doing their brand

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Speaker 1: marketing campaigns. I speak in colleges, university's HBC used. But

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Speaker 1: one of the things that I said is I can't

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Speaker 1: be everywhere at one time, which is why I started

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Speaker 1: to offer books. But then I thought, man, you know,

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Speaker 1: people love wearing shirts that have things on them. So

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Speaker 1: I came up with an idea. I was blessed with

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Speaker 1: this idea of being a billboard for God. And I said,

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Speaker 1: I want to be a billboard for God. So I

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Speaker 1: named the company God's Billboard T shirts, and so I

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01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 1: created God's Billboard T shirts. One of the T shirts

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Speaker 1: said I Am more than enough and I approved this

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Speaker 1: message the other because people need to know that they're

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01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:56,760
Speaker 1: more than enough. You don't. You don't need anybody to

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Speaker 1: say you're you're validated. And when I thought about yeah,

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01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:02,679
Speaker 1: when I thought about that, I was like, oh, here

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Speaker 1: it is. I'm already validated by the most Time. I

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01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 1: don't need your approval. And so that's another T shirt.

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Speaker 1: So I am more than enough. I approved this message.

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Speaker 1: I am validated by the most high I don't need

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Speaker 1: your approval. Is my other T shirt. One of the

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Speaker 1: other T shirts says, I'm a spiritual warrior. I cite

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Speaker 1: my battles through prayer, you see. So be a T

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Speaker 1: shirt that let the shirts do the talking and their

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Speaker 1: power words. That's what we call the empower words, right,

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01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 1: that empower you? And it was it was interesting. I

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01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 1: heard this lady one time. This guy was talking to

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Speaker 1: this woman and he was like, well, well, sister, tell

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01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 1: me how old you are. She said, you know, you

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Speaker 1: never asked a woman's age, And I thought, I said,

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Speaker 1: you know what, yeah, or their way and I said,

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Speaker 1: you know what, good things take time, so don't ask

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Speaker 1: my age. That's another T shirt that I have, and

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Speaker 1: women loved that T shirt, and I just thought, I've

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01:12:57,439 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 1: heard women over the say, you know, a gentleman never

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01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 1: a woman at the age, and so I created the

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Speaker 1: shirt that says, good things take time, so don't ask

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Speaker 1: my age. So God's Billboard T shirt is about being

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01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 1: a billboard or God and about being empowered. And so

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01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 1: you let your shirts do the talking and so people know,

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01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 1: you know, when when you speak, you put your brain

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Speaker 1: on display. So I just thought, sometimes we don't want

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01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:24,800
Speaker 1: to have to say anything, so we can let our

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Speaker 1: shirts do the talking. So that's what we do at

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Speaker 1: God's Billboard t shirts dot com. We let our shirts

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Speaker 1: do the talking. Well, my friend, I want to help

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01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 1: you on my social media, on my fan club, give

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01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 1: me a banner. That's why I created money Making Conversations,

1341
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 1: so I can bring entrepreneurs like you who are recognized

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01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 1: as celebrities and sometimes people forget they have other other

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01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:48,760
Speaker 1: opportunities to be entrepreneurs. And that's what I created money

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Speaker 1: That's why I created money Making Conversations. So definitely to

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Speaker 1: have your team get them over to me. I have

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01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:55,839
Speaker 1: a newsletter go out every week to ninety thousand, almost

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01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 1: got a made in social media followers and d I

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01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 1: will promote you, brother, you man, it's beautiful. I love

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01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 1: you to life and I'm just I'm really thankful to

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01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 1: be speaking to you, you know, after so many years

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01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 1: of us knowing each other. Absolutely, But let's let's get

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01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 1: back to let's let's get back to the show where

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01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:19,960
Speaker 1: you are. Let me say, let me see sexy, good looking. Fine,

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01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 1: that's what all the women be saying. You know, tough,

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01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 1: a killer, smart. Um my man, I'll tell you the

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Speaker 1: family business. Now you play Orlando Duncan. Uh have a

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01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:36,799
Speaker 1: have a degree in chemistry? Correct? Okay? Um? Well, suddenly

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01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 1: after the c the second season, now see you when

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Speaker 1: your clothes? Now are you picking out all your clothes? Yeah?

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01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 1: You know we we we have a great um fashion

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01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:53,080
Speaker 1: and costume designer on the show, A Dreaming and a Dreaming.

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Speaker 1: I had a conversation about the second season and what

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Speaker 1: we wanted to do is you know Duncan's are very

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Speaker 1: wealthy family, that's very astute family, very well respected family

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Speaker 1: and um and you know Orlando has a a style.

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Speaker 1: You know, we always see him with his toothpick and

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Speaker 1: we always see I ask you about that. We talked

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Speaker 1: about that too, y uh. And we see him with

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01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 1: these with these you know beats that he wears these

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Speaker 1: precious stones around his neck. We always see him in that.

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Speaker 1: And so that is that is something that I wanted

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Speaker 1: to bring to the table for the character because of

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01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 1: certain awarenesses that are gonna unfold during the season. And

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Speaker 1: and and so we talked about the second season and

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Speaker 1: clothing because you know, you get more money, and we know,

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Speaker 1: more money, more problems. But at the same time, as

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Speaker 1: you know, he's not a flashy dude, but he's a

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Speaker 1: very confident dude. And so the second season, we just

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Speaker 1: decided to you know, style them up a little bit

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Speaker 1: more and make him a little bit fresh, uh and cleaner.

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Speaker 1: And I think that the Adrena has done a great

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Speaker 1: job doing that. It's called my eye because Steve premiere episode,

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Speaker 1: the premier episode, the suit jacket you had on was

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Speaker 1: one of my suits, one of my material right there,

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Speaker 1: so I know she I know where she got that from.

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Speaker 1: Then you had that fur coat on, that furkle that

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Speaker 1: half fur caught on. Then you had that yellow jacket Man,

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01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 1: that was cool yellow jacket. Then you had that orange jacket. Man.

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Speaker 1: All I know is man that I knew they stepped

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01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 1: up because I saw the first season and I came

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Speaker 1: back and that's the first thing I got to ask,

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Speaker 1: darn man, your clothing, you know, is outstanding. It fits

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Speaker 1: your brand, it fits the it. It's the killer and

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01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 1: the sexy guy that you are because you're not trying

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01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 1: to look like you trying to. But I expect that

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Speaker 1: to be you. You feel me exactly. Orlando is is

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Speaker 1: a diversified man. And as I said, you know, when

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Speaker 1: he walked into a room, you know, all eyes turned

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Speaker 1: to him, and and that's really what it's about. You know,

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Speaker 1: when he shows up, he's making a statement. So every

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01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 1: time he makes a move, if you remember when he

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Speaker 1: wore the jacket the fur his father else, he said,

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01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 1: what is that? He says, it's my coat, he says,

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01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 1: but what is it? He said, Yeah, but I look

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01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:22,680
Speaker 1: good and it's all right, you know what I mean.

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01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:28,560
Speaker 1: So it's like he can do that, yeah, you know,

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01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:30,600
Speaker 1: and he said, he said, yeah, you're the boss, and

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Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, you're right, I am the boss. And

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Speaker 1: so you know, he does things the way he wants,

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01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 1: and you know he always walks with his protection in

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01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 1: case anybody wants to act up or act out. And so,

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Speaker 1: you know, Orlando is the cats that he's quiet, but

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Speaker 1: he's always aware of his surroundings, what he's doing, where

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Speaker 1: he's going, and the things that he can't control. You know,

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Speaker 1: he makes sure that he puts himself in a position

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01:17:56,280 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 1: to overstand um what he must do next, which always

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Speaker 1: good he has. I'm talking to Darren d Watson. He

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Speaker 1: has a show on u mc uh the streaming right now,

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01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 1: already been renewed called Double Cross, but we're talking about

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Speaker 1: this new series that's airing right now on BT Plus.

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Speaker 1: It's called The Family Business. He's a member of the

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Speaker 1: Duncan family, which is a powerful family that rides through

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Speaker 1: Duncan Motors. That's what everybody says. It's exotic cards. But

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Speaker 1: at night they got a sister. Where you got we

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01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 1: got London, you got pairs their sisters. Then you got Sasha,

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Speaker 1: she's the niece. Oh my god, the sexiness is great.

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Speaker 1: But before we get into those characters, how did you

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Speaker 1: get the opportunity to get this role? Darren Duncan. Yeah,

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01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:46,600
Speaker 1: it's it's amazing because Tri Deestine Films actually UH produces

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Speaker 1: the show. And and you know I have a relationship

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01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:55,560
Speaker 1: with Endi and Trey and Bellonica and and UH. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I remember I created this vision board. You know,

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Speaker 1: as as I said, Darren dew with Henson is a

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01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 1: man who likes to evolve. Darren dew with Henton is

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01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 1: a man who likes to grow and diversify. And I

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01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:11,640
Speaker 1: remember one day sitting down and I said, I need

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Speaker 1: to create a new vision board. So I sat down

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Speaker 1: and I wrote out this vision board, and I thought

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01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:19,320
Speaker 1: about people that I wanted to work with, and um,

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Speaker 1: you know, I had a bunch of different names on

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01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 1: the vision board and it was it was amazing because

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01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:31,720
Speaker 1: I wrote Armanda Santy on my vision board. He did

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01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:35,640
Speaker 1: this movie years ago called Mambo King and UH with

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01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 1: Anthonio Vendetta. I said, I loved that film, that film,

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01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:44,559
Speaker 1: and so I put Armanda Santy on my vision board

1446
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 1: one of the people I put on my vision board

1447
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 1: to work with. About three weeks later, I get a

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01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:52,599
Speaker 1: call from Andy Brown. She said, brother, I got something

1449
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:55,599
Speaker 1: for you. I said, talk to me. Andy. She said,

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01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:57,760
Speaker 1: you know we're working with car Weether. We did it

1451
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 1: there with car Weeb for all of his book, and

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01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna be shooting a movie for family Business, and

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01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:09,360
Speaker 1: we want you to play the son of Ernie Hudson.

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01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 1: And I said, come on, I said, stopped playing with me?

1455
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 1: And she said no, she said, and she explained about

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01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:18,839
Speaker 1: the exotic car business and of course the underground business.

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01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 1: And I said, Andy, send me the script. I want

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01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:24,560
Speaker 1: to read it. I said, but based upon what you

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01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 1: what you're saying, I can almost tell you you know

1460
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:29,720
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. This is something I'm gonna love to do.

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01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 1: I said, tell me who else is involved? She said,

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01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:37,599
Speaker 1: get this out of mind Asante. I said, come on, man,

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01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:41,439
Speaker 1: and see. So that's why it's important to write down

1464
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:44,040
Speaker 1: your vision and make it plain, because the law of

1465
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:48,160
Speaker 1: attraction is very, very real. Man. When I got the script,

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01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:51,320
Speaker 1: I've read it. I mean, you you just don't say no.

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01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 1: It's like the Bill Washington being given the American Gangster script,

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01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:59,720
Speaker 1: like you just don't say no. And when I got

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01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:01,920
Speaker 1: this script, I read it. I called her back the

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01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:05,720
Speaker 1: next day and I said, I'm in. And so immediately

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Speaker 1: it was Ernie Huston, Valley Pediford, Amanda Sante. You know

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01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 1: and and the rest of the cat and I became

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01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 1: Orlando Duncan when the contracts were signed and the history

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Speaker 1: of the family business, uh and call Webbers the family

1475
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:28,439
Speaker 1: Business Tried Destined had begun. And then of course b

1476
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 1: Et picked it up as a series because we were

1477
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:35,840
Speaker 1: shooting it for a movie, but b Et fell in

1478
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 1: love with it and said, no, we want this as

1479
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:42,600
Speaker 1: our series. And then when b Et signed it in

1480
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 1: the Family Business premiered, it became like the super Bowl

1481
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:49,800
Speaker 1: Champs for b Et. Man. I'm just telling you that. Uh,

1482
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:53,560
Speaker 1: you know, I've I've watched the series grow from the

1483
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 1: first episode. I watched the characters developed, and I could

1484
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 1: see the more the money being invested into the series

1485
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 1: reason all that stuff. You know. Listen, the two things

1486
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:04,679
Speaker 1: I really like about this series some of the things

1487
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 1: that you guys have dropped into this series that I

1488
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 1: don't normal to see. I love that NASCAR diversity episode.

1489
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:13,680
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. I thought that was small and very time

1490
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 1: to talk about that. Yeah, it's genius. It's it's again

1491
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:20,680
Speaker 1: it's the mind of car Webber and bringing NASCAR into it.

1492
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 1: You know, NASCAR now as black drivers, so why not

1493
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:28,960
Speaker 1: acknowledge NASCAR and and their diversity program, and that's exactly

1494
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:31,840
Speaker 1: what we talked about on the show. You know, diversification

1495
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:35,560
Speaker 1: is incredibly important and UM, so they brought that in

1496
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 1: which which also brings a much larger audience in you know,

1497
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:43,559
Speaker 1: Nascar is huge and UM. And and to speak about

1498
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:45,600
Speaker 1: the genius of Car Webber. As you can see, we

1499
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:49,800
Speaker 1: also have Latino players on the show. UM. You know

1500
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 1: Yadi Rivera who plays consweller Mario Rivera is on the show.

1501
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:57,599
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. We got Luke, we got

1502
01:22:57,760 --> 01:23:01,639
Speaker 1: Luski um on the show. People know from Soul Train,

1503
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:06,840
Speaker 1: who's killing um. You know his his his role as

1504
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:11,800
Speaker 1: signor cruise UM. You know who's now in a wheelchair. UM.

1505
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 1: It's just you know, it's diversification on the show. You know,

1506
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:19,160
Speaker 1: it's a diversified um. UM A lot on the show,

1507
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:23,280
Speaker 1: actors on the show, and it appears to everybody. You know,

1508
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 1: the first season we had you know, Asian people on

1509
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:30,920
Speaker 1: the show. And so you know Carl Webber and his mind,

1510
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 1: um and his genius um in writing UM, and then

1511
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 1: Trey Haley's directing is just it really just goes hand

1512
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:41,479
Speaker 1: in hand with the genius that we know to be

1513
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:46,720
Speaker 1: the family business, and it's all held together by you know,

1514
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:53,320
Speaker 1: our super producer, you know, and by Brown, you know. Yeah,

1515
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:56,160
Speaker 1: And and then then another thing that I noticed about

1516
01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 1: the series was the use of the Nation of Islam

1517
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:04,880
Speaker 1: type style the brothers. Yeah, that I've never seen that,

1518
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 1: I've never seen like this in a series, And I

1519
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 1: thought that was very uniquely put in there and style

1520
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 1: and poignedly placed. Talk about that. Yeah, well, we have

1521
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 1: two different types of brothers on the show. We have

1522
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 1: the um with all due respect, with all due respect,

1523
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 1: we have you know, the type UM that we see

1524
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:35,280
Speaker 1: on the show, Um, which we call um Um brother minister,

1525
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:40,759
Speaker 1: who represents a similar type of similar type Nation of Islam.

1526
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:46,080
Speaker 1: And then you have the extremists Um that in the

1527
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:50,120
Speaker 1: Trench Ye brother he in the Trench character who's you know,

1528
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:55,599
Speaker 1: just extreme and and street and you know, jail written

1529
01:24:55,960 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 1: and vigilantes, which is completely different from the representation of

1530
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 1: the brother brother minister, who's the peaceful, organized um you know,

1531
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 1: you know, type of Muslim UM. And you know, so

1532
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 1: that is more of a Nation of Islam type that

1533
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:24,719
Speaker 1: he represents. And you can see that even Orlando took

1534
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:33,640
Speaker 1: instruction and was under he's always take that advice and

1535
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 1: has served him well all over the years. Absolutely, and

1536
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:41,200
Speaker 1: we can see the chemists. He's educated. You know, he's

1537
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 1: a man of respect and honor. So we can see that,

1538
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:48,320
Speaker 1: you know, show on the show. Wow, you know, I

1539
01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:50,360
Speaker 1: want to get a little bit deeper into this. Uh

1540
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:52,040
Speaker 1: as you know, I'm a fan of the show. As

1541
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:54,720
Speaker 1: you can tell, I'm talking to uh Darrend what with

1542
01:25:57,400 --> 01:26:01,800
Speaker 1: excuse me, donk ted the d with I apolize there.

1543
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 1: But on the family business, let's talk about you know

1544
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:07,599
Speaker 1: some of the people I love on this. You got

1545
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:11,160
Speaker 1: Tretch on the show, Lisa Ray on the show, My

1546
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:15,560
Speaker 1: boy got killed with Clifton Pole on the show. Valerie Pettiford,

1547
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:18,920
Speaker 1: she's on the playing the Mama Charlotte on the show.

1548
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:22,720
Speaker 1: Just just what of course, Ernie Hudson being the LC

1549
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:26,040
Speaker 1: and my boy Michael John White, he's in jail, he

1550
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 1: plays Vegas. Just just just a great, great talent. Man,

1551
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 1: it's just out there. And Parish I think she just

1552
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:38,560
Speaker 1: got cast as the new batwoman for CW. And so

1553
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 1: you know they're stealing talent from the show. Now what

1554
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:46,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's amazing. You know, tri Deestin has done

1555
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 1: such a great job by bringing you know, people together.

1556
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:52,759
Speaker 1: You know, Michael John White and I are very closely

1557
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:55,400
Speaker 1: like brothers in real life, so he was a perfect

1558
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:58,840
Speaker 1: pick to play my brother um Vegas in the show.

1559
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:03,719
Speaker 1: And then of course Patrearch Ernie Hudson and Matriarch Valley

1560
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 1: Pediford are just I mean, value and Ernie together um

1561
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:10,840
Speaker 1: as as husband and wife on the show are just.

1562
01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 1: I don't think it just gets any better. And when

1563
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:19,200
Speaker 1: when when she kicked Sanya at the house man about waiting,

1564
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:23,960
Speaker 1: I was I was saying, I don't know if he

1565
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:26,840
Speaker 1: watched these other scenes, but boy, that's about the coldest

1566
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 1: seed I've seen a woman dude on TV to another woman.

1567
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:33,680
Speaker 1: We've already voted her as an Emmy winner as far

1568
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:39,599
Speaker 1: as we're concerned, I swear to you that see right there,

1569
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 1: she should get an Emmy. Walled him right, she said,

1570
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 1: We're we're done here, We're done with the Valerie battle. Dude,

1571
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:52,720
Speaker 1: that that says right there, I gotta get on the

1572
01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:55,639
Speaker 1: show to talk about that scene that right there alone, Valley,

1573
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:59,000
Speaker 1: because because for the show, the reason it works is

1574
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:01,679
Speaker 1: a family show. We all live in the same house,

1575
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 1: y'all know, y'all deal, you're dealing with danger, we know.

1576
01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:07,840
Speaker 1: And the thing I like about it, usually you see

1577
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:11,200
Speaker 1: the white series, make this happen, make it work like this,

1578
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:15,400
Speaker 1: And to see a black series accomplished what we see

1579
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:18,559
Speaker 1: all TV all the time, like the Sopranos and all

1580
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:21,799
Speaker 1: the Godfather shows that are touchable shows, all these shows,

1581
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:25,320
Speaker 1: and to see it being manipulated so well and being

1582
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:29,600
Speaker 1: articulated and bring credibility because I'm telling you, brother, you

1583
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 1: know when they dropped six episodes, I think the last

1584
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:35,920
Speaker 1: second I watched them, I watched them, okay, and waiting

1585
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:38,479
Speaker 1: for seven whenever that comes out. I don't know when

1586
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:40,200
Speaker 1: that's dropping, but they need to hurry up because your

1587
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 1: boy when waiting. Look, we look, we're waiting to get

1588
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 1: back to work. But I gotta tell you when we

1589
01:28:46,439 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 1: were on set, well she did that. Seeing the whole

1590
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:53,720
Speaker 1: set was quiet, Valerie, it was like, yeah, it was

1591
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:58,920
Speaker 1: like every everybody. Everybody moved and walked away because it

1592
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:01,800
Speaker 1: was like no body was getting their hub when she

1593
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:07,920
Speaker 1: had that knife in her hand, because everybody felt it. Man,

1594
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:11,880
Speaker 1: let me tell you, she made everybody walk out that house.

1595
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:14,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you that right now. And so that's

1596
01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 1: what you get on the Family Business. You get people

1597
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:21,400
Speaker 1: who come to work, You get people who come to play,

1598
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:24,720
Speaker 1: you get people who come to lay it down. The

1599
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 1: Duncans ain't playing. Nobody came to to to to to

1600
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:33,120
Speaker 1: fall asleep. We came to put into the work and

1601
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:36,960
Speaker 1: to create legacy on the show. And you know, I

1602
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:40,280
Speaker 1: was telling somebody this the other day. I said, you know,

1603
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 1: lightning has struck, you know, twice for me when it

1604
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:47,799
Speaker 1: comes to family shows. You know, first I was blessed

1605
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:51,639
Speaker 1: to get Soulfuls, and now I'm on the Family Business,

1606
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:57,040
Speaker 1: which is which is the strong, beautiful, charismatic not to

1607
01:29:57,160 --> 01:30:01,680
Speaker 1: be messed with family. Lightning has truly struck twice for me,

1608
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:05,759
Speaker 1: and so for me it's something that I really again,

1609
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:09,720
Speaker 1: I'm incredibly proud of to work with these actors. You know,

1610
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 1: we got Tammy on the show, we got Michael. Let's

1611
01:30:12,240 --> 01:30:14,040
Speaker 1: talk about let's talk about the right quick old Tammy's

1612
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 1: character because I like what you guys did with her

1613
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 1: character because in the in the pilot episode, Harris hit her.

1614
01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:22,519
Speaker 1: You know, so I thought she's gonna play an abusive woman,

1615
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:25,880
Speaker 1: but the new season, she's not taking that stuff. I

1616
01:30:26,120 --> 01:30:29,439
Speaker 1: like the fact, they made her strong because like they said,

1617
01:30:29,479 --> 01:30:32,479
Speaker 1: like Junior said, before there was Paris, there was London.

1618
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:36,040
Speaker 1: She's a duncan. She was, She's a dunk and that

1619
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:38,880
Speaker 1: could only go on for so long. And you see,

1620
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:43,680
Speaker 1: she had a out of marital affair. Um and but

1621
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:47,439
Speaker 1: we got to see what happened when that happened. You know,

1622
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:50,040
Speaker 1: she she had an out of matter affair. But then

1623
01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:53,360
Speaker 1: look what happened. Look who he was. See what I'm saying.

1624
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:56,320
Speaker 1: So then yeah, so that that that was a lesson

1625
01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:58,799
Speaker 1: for her too, like don't don't step out of your marriage.

1626
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:01,519
Speaker 1: What you ain't gonna mess with me? Man, act like

1627
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:12,599
Speaker 1: I don't know your show? Brother? Okay, every day hey man?

1628
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:16,200
Speaker 1: And I got to man because I was supporting this. Man,

1629
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:19,000
Speaker 1: I'm supporting this. I just when I said, I when

1630
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:20,599
Speaker 1: I you know, like I said, I'm busy a lot,

1631
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:27,519
Speaker 1: and I saw these problems. Said it's my boy, Hey there,

1632
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:28,920
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, I said, we gotta get him on

1633
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:32,760
Speaker 1: the show. I said, hey, hey, find him. I got

1634
01:31:32,840 --> 01:31:35,599
Speaker 1: to talk to him. This show on fire. When Uncle

1635
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:38,960
Speaker 1: Lou died, you know, Lisa, the loss of blood? How

1636
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:41,840
Speaker 1: when when when Valerie came over there and snatched off

1637
01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:44,960
Speaker 1: our head. I'll tell you something, Sasha. You know the

1638
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:48,040
Speaker 1: reason I like these characters. You guys are busy, not

1639
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:51,080
Speaker 1: just on family business, but y'all working on other episodes

1640
01:31:51,160 --> 01:31:53,920
Speaker 1: like The Young Lady and Sasha, she's on failor Affair,

1641
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:58,040
Speaker 1: which is on Netflix. You know so so I love

1642
01:31:58,120 --> 01:32:00,479
Speaker 1: the fact, man, I just wanted to bring on the show,

1643
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:03,639
Speaker 1: not just one time, because I've always been a fan.

1644
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:05,680
Speaker 1: I'm just my life in the point now where I

1645
01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:08,439
Speaker 1: can support people that I love. My brand is big

1646
01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:10,439
Speaker 1: now where people can come to me. I can have

1647
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 1: them promote their brand and promote product that they want

1648
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:15,160
Speaker 1: to get out there in the streets into the general

1649
01:32:15,240 --> 01:32:17,320
Speaker 1: public on social media. And I just want to take

1650
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:19,240
Speaker 1: your time and say thank you, man, because you give

1651
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:22,240
Speaker 1: me a show that I enjoy that I look forward

1652
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:25,320
Speaker 1: to seeing. You. Know, you're looking good. You are particularly,

1653
01:32:25,320 --> 01:32:29,160
Speaker 1: your hairline is tight, your muscles are right, your clothes

1654
01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:32,240
Speaker 1: on fire. And Valerie, I gotta get here on the

1655
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:34,880
Speaker 1: show because I'm telling that scene right there when she

1656
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:38,640
Speaker 1: was cutting that salary, brother, we threw him. Huh. We're

1657
01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:41,800
Speaker 1: gonna make that happen. We're do here uber out side, huh.

1658
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:46,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what she's saying, we done, we done here.

1659
01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:52,280
Speaker 1: I have to back what you say outside. Huh. Let

1660
01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:55,040
Speaker 1: me tell you something. We call her mama all day long.

1661
01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:59,360
Speaker 1: Due Mama. And I love the way y'all because the

1662
01:32:59,439 --> 01:33:02,960
Speaker 1: first season her character wasn't as dominant as the second sea.

1663
01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:05,760
Speaker 1: I just love the way they've all flushed out the

1664
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:09,080
Speaker 1: women to be strong girl for the second season. All

1665
01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:11,439
Speaker 1: of them are playing. They have a voice. That's why

1666
01:33:11,439 --> 01:33:13,759
Speaker 1: I love what they did. Tammy. She's not taking her smack,

1667
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:16,759
Speaker 1: she's slapping the hair. She's worried about eating the food,

1668
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:20,599
Speaker 1: worried about sleeping. He might at shot. He don't. He's

1669
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:23,680
Speaker 1: tippatouring around there. Because I didn't like that, I went, man,

1670
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:25,680
Speaker 1: he can't. We can't do this man, not in the

1671
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:32,240
Speaker 1: Daydon London. London is a Duncan. Was absolutely absolutely so. D.

1672
01:33:32,520 --> 01:33:34,240
Speaker 1: I mean we're going to the third two minutes. May.

1673
01:33:34,280 --> 01:33:35,840
Speaker 1: I didn't want to teake you this long, brother, but

1674
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:37,800
Speaker 1: I wanted to just talk to you. Man. We won't.

1675
01:33:38,280 --> 01:33:40,320
Speaker 1: Ain't nothing good to get edited. Don't worry about that.

1676
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:42,640
Speaker 1: But no, tell you people to get your banners to me,

1677
01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:45,320
Speaker 1: D so we can promote your stuff and tell Valerie

1678
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:47,040
Speaker 1: I gotta get her on my show, man. I know

1679
01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:49,960
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Speaker 1: but looks like Mom doesn't realize her coffee cup is

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Speaker 1: money Making Conversation. I'm your host from Sean McDonald. My

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Speaker 1: next guest is a professional fisherman and he is the host.

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Speaker 1: Right there, professional, right there, a bunch of amateurs. All

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Speaker 1: your amateurs, get close to the close close. I'm talking

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Speaker 1: to a professional now and he is the host of

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Speaker 1: a Fishing Story with Running Green. A Fishing Story is

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Speaker 1: a series of a serious field with his philosophy to

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Speaker 1: celebrate the small things in life. He shares his passion

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Speaker 1: for fishing and has a gift for finding the stories

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Speaker 1: that aren't often told with his guests each week. The

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Speaker 1: World Fishing Network, and Discovery Goal. Please welcome to the

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Speaker 1: money Making Conversation the man who taught me how to

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Speaker 1: fish again, Running Green? How are you doing, Rochelle? And

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Speaker 1: I'm told A loted to be on the show man,

1753
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:58,680
Speaker 1: it is awesome to be here. Well, you know, it's

1754
01:37:58,720 --> 01:38:01,240
Speaker 1: really good. Let's just the whole concept of fishing. I

1755
01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:03,679
Speaker 1: you know, I come from the Inner City and the Houston,

1756
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:06,439
Speaker 1: Texas Fifth Ward and my dad used to take me

1757
01:38:06,640 --> 01:38:09,120
Speaker 1: cane fishing. Cane. That's what you're doing. Cane pole and

1758
01:38:09,439 --> 01:38:12,280
Speaker 1: had a little cork and dropped that bad boy in there,

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01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:14,559
Speaker 1: and and you move it a little bit and watch

1760
01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:16,479
Speaker 1: that bad bad cork sunk. You know, you had a

1761
01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:19,120
Speaker 1: fish and you can pull it real fast. And that

1762
01:38:19,240 --> 01:38:21,120
Speaker 1: bad boy on the bank, I mean, I mean that

1763
01:38:21,240 --> 01:38:24,240
Speaker 1: that's a cane pole fishing right there. That's big time.

1764
01:38:26,439 --> 01:38:29,040
Speaker 1: I did the perch, I did the small man small

1765
01:38:29,360 --> 01:38:33,480
Speaker 1: uh baths, a large small bath and I'm horrible catfish

1766
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:38,439
Speaker 1: boy man. And you know, you don't know what you

1767
01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:41,719
Speaker 1: don't know until you actually started fishing it with other people.

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01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:44,840
Speaker 1: And that's the premise behind our show is that's where

1769
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:49,320
Speaker 1: I learned my uh provating fishing from my great grandmother.

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01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:52,479
Speaker 1: What's the interesting about it, Restaanda, is she was a

1771
01:38:52,680 --> 01:38:55,360
Speaker 1: fisherwoman that was at a whole different level. And I

1772
01:38:55,400 --> 01:38:58,000
Speaker 1: fished my dad initially, and he just wanted to spend

1773
01:38:58,040 --> 01:39:00,559
Speaker 1: time with his boys, and he really wasn't a outible fishing,

1774
01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:03,760
Speaker 1: didn't have the passion, but she had the passion. But

1775
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:06,680
Speaker 1: what was interesting is I learned so much about her

1776
01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:11,559
Speaker 1: life and our family history just by spending quality time

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Speaker 1: with her, which nobody wanted to do because the theF

1778
01:39:14,680 --> 01:39:16,760
Speaker 1: fishing was boring. So I've come back with all these

1779
01:39:16,920 --> 01:39:19,479
Speaker 1: history and adults all the time said, hey, did you

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01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:21,840
Speaker 1: know this about Grandpa so and so and Paul Paul

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01:39:21,880 --> 01:39:23,519
Speaker 1: and Da Da da, And they were like, well, you

1782
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:26,960
Speaker 1: learn all that fishing with granny after we call her.

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01:39:27,360 --> 01:39:31,920
Speaker 1: And so the fishing story was born with my great grandmother.

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01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:35,639
Speaker 1: And she's smiling right now that that's that's really interesting

1785
01:39:35,720 --> 01:39:38,120
Speaker 1: because you know it was when I was out there,

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01:39:38,160 --> 01:39:40,320
Speaker 1: because you came by my house in Atlanta and we

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01:39:40,400 --> 01:39:42,840
Speaker 1: sat down with man and and uh and I have

1788
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:46,559
Speaker 1: a small little pond lake on my backyard is fully stocked.

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01:39:47,080 --> 01:39:49,000
Speaker 1: And you asked me, he said, how's the fishing. That's

1790
01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:52,880
Speaker 1: the great fish out there. But I never went out

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01:39:52,920 --> 01:39:55,200
Speaker 1: there myself because I'm a cane pole guy. I got

1792
01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:58,080
Speaker 1: the I got you know that, I got the I

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01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:01,639
Speaker 1: you said, what's going out there? See what you could

1794
01:40:01,680 --> 01:40:09,439
Speaker 1: do and the battle, you know, and see what you

1795
01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:12,240
Speaker 1: can do and shout with the fishing. But really raw

1796
01:40:12,439 --> 01:40:16,840
Speaker 1: you got these ky posed stories. And and when I

1797
01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:21,719
Speaker 1: went out that, man, the relaxation part of it was amazing,

1798
01:40:22,479 --> 01:40:24,320
Speaker 1: you know, because I just go down there and just

1799
01:40:24,360 --> 01:40:26,960
Speaker 1: sit on my rock and watch the waters. The memos,

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01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:30,559
Speaker 1: and the frogs and the little the little bugs hopping

1801
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:33,000
Speaker 1: around on the water, the little ripple that calms me.

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01:40:33,240 --> 01:40:35,920
Speaker 1: That's why I have that property, just calms me. But

1803
01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:39,960
Speaker 1: the fact that I was just casting out there, it

1804
01:40:40,200 --> 01:40:43,080
Speaker 1: really took me to a different level of serenity. I'd

1805
01:40:43,120 --> 01:40:45,760
Speaker 1: like to believe in my mind emotionally talk about that

1806
01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:49,320
Speaker 1: whole experience and why it is so so so calm

1807
01:40:49,400 --> 01:40:52,759
Speaker 1: and to fish. Well. The thing is is most people

1808
01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:55,160
Speaker 1: have never been able to quantify a lot of physicians

1809
01:40:55,240 --> 01:40:59,479
Speaker 1: and psychologists and therapists try to understand that there's something

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01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:01,759
Speaker 1: special about it. As a matter of fact, the Veteran's

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01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:04,439
Speaker 1: Administration has gone to a level to where they are

1812
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Speaker 1: recognizing it is helpful for veterans with PTSD. And one

1813
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Speaker 1: of the things that I explained to people is, and

1814
01:41:13,320 --> 01:41:15,200
Speaker 1: I don't try to get too deep, but I said,

1815
01:41:15,280 --> 01:41:16,760
Speaker 1: you know, if you think about it, what is our

1816
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:20,800
Speaker 1: body made up of a lot of water? So I

1817
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:23,880
Speaker 1: feel like every time that I'm around water, where there's

1818
01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:28,960
Speaker 1: saltwater or fresh water, there's a kindred ship to where

1819
01:41:29,200 --> 01:41:31,439
Speaker 1: I came from or what I relate to. So I

1820
01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:34,960
Speaker 1: feel like that there is no data officially and that's

1821
01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:37,439
Speaker 1: what they're doing, is they're doing their extended study about

1822
01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:41,720
Speaker 1: it and actually trying to establish a documented reason. But

1823
01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:44,080
Speaker 1: I feel like, based on my life's experience what I

1824
01:41:44,160 --> 01:41:46,880
Speaker 1: call shoe leather research, which means my feet on the

1825
01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:49,160
Speaker 1: street or my feet in the boat, that is the

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Speaker 1: best UH data in the world, because I feel like

1827
01:41:52,240 --> 01:41:54,759
Speaker 1: that our body is made up of a lot of water,

1828
01:41:55,479 --> 01:41:58,200
Speaker 1: and so when you go and you're actually around saltwater

1829
01:41:58,320 --> 01:42:01,840
Speaker 1: or freshwater, there's sometime for Kindred ship, you're close to it.

1830
01:42:02,640 --> 01:42:06,960
Speaker 1: So it's something about it. We still will never probably

1831
01:42:07,160 --> 01:42:09,800
Speaker 1: understand it, even though they do the studies, and you

1832
01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:13,240
Speaker 1: know what, Rashaan, Sometimes some things just shouldn't be understood.

1833
01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:15,920
Speaker 1: We just know it has a positive effect on us.

1834
01:42:16,200 --> 01:42:17,960
Speaker 1: And so that's kind of the way I feel about it,

1835
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:22,040
Speaker 1: because every time I'm having a long week, sometimes my

1836
01:42:22,120 --> 01:42:24,000
Speaker 1: wife will even encouraged me. I think you need to

1837
01:42:24,040 --> 01:42:28,080
Speaker 1: go fishing right right right, you know, And it's it's

1838
01:42:28,120 --> 01:42:30,120
Speaker 1: crazy because of the fact that's a crazy in a

1839
01:42:30,200 --> 01:42:32,320
Speaker 1: good way, because of the fact that you know, I'm

1840
01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:35,560
Speaker 1: looking at this water and I I know it relaxes me.

1841
01:42:36,080 --> 01:42:38,320
Speaker 1: And then I had another gift of being able to

1842
01:42:38,720 --> 01:42:42,000
Speaker 1: equally relax me, relax me, and just keep my mind active,

1843
01:42:42,080 --> 01:42:44,680
Speaker 1: you know, because that's relaxed. That's what That's what I

1844
01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:46,320
Speaker 1: learned from you when you came out there and you

1845
01:42:46,760 --> 01:42:49,080
Speaker 1: you just you just turn. You gave me another turn

1846
01:42:49,200 --> 01:42:52,800
Speaker 1: to the process, you know, because you know our brains, man,

1847
01:42:53,400 --> 01:42:55,880
Speaker 1: it just flows. It just flows. It just flows, you know,

1848
01:42:56,280 --> 01:43:01,599
Speaker 1: from bills to controversy, to issues to parent into two

1849
01:43:01,720 --> 01:43:05,519
Speaker 1: mobiles and jobs and and so out there. It pushed

1850
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:07,840
Speaker 1: all that to the to the to the back, and

1851
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:10,160
Speaker 1: all I was worried about was that how far I

1852
01:43:10,200 --> 01:43:12,600
Speaker 1: can get that that hook god net water, you know,

1853
01:43:12,680 --> 01:43:14,880
Speaker 1: and getting it back fast enough. And so I didn't

1854
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:17,320
Speaker 1: think about nothing else but that that little one to

1855
01:43:17,560 --> 01:43:19,960
Speaker 1: punch that I was dealing. And when I snagged one,

1856
01:43:20,120 --> 01:43:23,479
Speaker 1: you saw big. I was smiling when I was then

1857
01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:26,320
Speaker 1: and they returned it to the water, you know, and

1858
01:43:27,160 --> 01:43:29,519
Speaker 1: released it back out. That was that was like a

1859
01:43:29,720 --> 01:43:32,960
Speaker 1: really three sixty for me as far as the the

1860
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:35,599
Speaker 1: whole process of what you're talking about when it comes

1861
01:43:35,680 --> 01:43:39,759
Speaker 1: to you know, the meditation party beings in an environment

1862
01:43:39,840 --> 01:43:41,800
Speaker 1: that will calm you, and that's what I think that

1863
01:43:41,880 --> 01:43:46,280
Speaker 1: they're saying. It pushes back all that noise that could

1864
01:43:46,280 --> 01:43:49,959
Speaker 1: be in your brain. And that's that's that's important. That's important.

1865
01:43:51,080 --> 01:43:53,280
Speaker 1: And you know what, Rashaan, that that gets to the

1866
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:55,760
Speaker 1: show as well, because when we do the show on

1867
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:58,720
Speaker 1: the water. One of the things that people know that

1868
01:43:58,840 --> 01:44:01,479
Speaker 1: when they watched the show, there's something that has never

1869
01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:07,240
Speaker 1: been done on this particular type of show, especially in

1870
01:44:07,280 --> 01:44:11,680
Speaker 1: the fishing industry, is there is a release of emotions

1871
01:44:12,080 --> 01:44:14,720
Speaker 1: that occurs. What I mean by that is we have

1872
01:44:14,880 --> 01:44:18,800
Speaker 1: people that get extremely emotional and there's even a reputation.

1873
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:20,400
Speaker 1: People give me a hard telling about it. I'm not

1874
01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:22,599
Speaker 1: going to cry on your show. But it's not something

1875
01:44:22,680 --> 01:44:24,920
Speaker 1: that we script. There's nothing you can script about it,

1876
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:29,519
Speaker 1: but something about it. Your soul relaxed and relieve and

1877
01:44:29,640 --> 01:44:32,639
Speaker 1: all the stresses go away. And then it also purges

1878
01:44:32,720 --> 01:44:35,200
Speaker 1: your soul, so to speak. And at the end of

1879
01:44:35,240 --> 01:44:37,960
Speaker 1: the day, there's that release of emotion that is natural

1880
01:44:38,120 --> 01:44:43,240
Speaker 1: and organic. Hence you have a organic show where people

1881
01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:47,040
Speaker 1: are telling their life stories on the water and that

1882
01:44:47,160 --> 01:44:51,320
Speaker 1: whole connection thing again. Right, Okay, I'm talking to Ronnie Green.

1883
01:44:51,479 --> 01:44:53,920
Speaker 1: He's just the host of Official Story with Ronnie Green.

1884
01:44:54,120 --> 01:44:56,080
Speaker 1: I gotta ask a question to everybody, probably ask How

1885
01:44:56,120 --> 01:44:58,320
Speaker 1: does the black man get in the professional efficient game?

1886
01:44:58,479 --> 01:45:00,559
Speaker 1: How does black man getting the profession the fishing game?

1887
01:45:00,560 --> 01:45:02,519
Speaker 1: Because we know it's a white industry. How did you

1888
01:45:02,720 --> 01:45:04,920
Speaker 1: do that? And there's some more anglers as well, who

1889
01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:09,400
Speaker 1: African Americans, let's talk about you. Yeah, So how I

1890
01:45:09,560 --> 01:45:12,639
Speaker 1: started where, I'm a former officer in United States Marine

1891
01:45:12,680 --> 01:45:16,880
Speaker 1: Corps simple five and then also after the Marine Corps,

1892
01:45:17,160 --> 01:45:20,559
Speaker 1: I was also a corporate citizens what I would consider

1893
01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:23,000
Speaker 1: you know, I was a sales manager in the medical

1894
01:45:23,080 --> 01:45:26,240
Speaker 1: device business, Pagemaker's de fibulators, the whole nine yards, so

1895
01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:30,040
Speaker 1: the clinical aspect, you know. And then way prior to that,

1896
01:45:30,200 --> 01:45:33,240
Speaker 1: I was also a former All American sprinters. So those

1897
01:45:33,680 --> 01:45:37,880
Speaker 1: life experiences helped me and shape me. But all along

1898
01:45:38,240 --> 01:45:41,120
Speaker 1: with all those things I've accomplished in life, my great

1899
01:45:41,160 --> 01:45:44,600
Speaker 1: grandmother helped me to learn that always keeps us in

1900
01:45:44,640 --> 01:45:47,960
Speaker 1: the back of your pocket. This is your therapy. So

1901
01:45:48,200 --> 01:45:51,400
Speaker 1: I would go through life and always fish and do things.

1902
01:45:51,479 --> 01:45:54,960
Speaker 1: And then after my mother passed away and two thousand seven,

1903
01:45:55,080 --> 01:45:57,360
Speaker 1: my kids were old enough to graduate from high school

1904
01:45:57,360 --> 01:45:59,439
Speaker 1: and did their thing and on the college, and I

1905
01:45:59,479 --> 01:46:03,240
Speaker 1: said that was my time, uh, and it's my focus

1906
01:46:03,400 --> 01:46:05,559
Speaker 1: about me at the end of the day, I started

1907
01:46:05,600 --> 01:46:09,240
Speaker 1: fishing some tournaments and it was also therapeutic. How do

1908
01:46:09,280 --> 01:46:11,960
Speaker 1: you get the tournament? That would you just anybody can

1909
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:13,880
Speaker 1: just fishing the tournament or you just pay a fee?

1910
01:46:13,880 --> 01:46:16,960
Speaker 1: How does that work? Yes, and that's a great question.

1911
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:19,840
Speaker 1: And what happens is you pay a fee and uh,

1912
01:46:20,120 --> 01:46:22,720
Speaker 1: you can. So it might be an entry fee of

1913
01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:25,679
Speaker 1: a few thousand dollars and it might be a hundred

1914
01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:28,120
Speaker 1: eighty anglers. What you want to do is hone your

1915
01:46:28,160 --> 01:46:30,560
Speaker 1: skills up before you get to that level. So what

1916
01:46:30,680 --> 01:46:32,840
Speaker 1: I did is I actually fished in a tournament. I

1917
01:46:32,960 --> 01:46:35,479
Speaker 1: signed up as a co angler first, and what that

1918
01:46:35,720 --> 01:46:38,320
Speaker 1: is is the person that's on the boat and you

1919
01:46:38,439 --> 01:46:41,200
Speaker 1: with the stranger, but you're not running the boat. You're

1920
01:46:41,240 --> 01:46:43,960
Speaker 1: in someone else's boat and you're coing, are competing against

1921
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:46,400
Speaker 1: other co anglers. So I was very successful in that.

1922
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:53,920
Speaker 1: Then I graduated to the front of the boat because yeah, okay,

1923
01:46:54,360 --> 01:46:57,280
Speaker 1: what did to be good at being a co angler?

1924
01:46:57,400 --> 01:46:59,839
Speaker 1: What did you have to do as far as catching?

1925
01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:03,000
Speaker 1: Is the size? Is the amount? Is it a time window?

1926
01:47:03,360 --> 01:47:06,720
Speaker 1: What is that? That's a great question as well. So

1927
01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:10,640
Speaker 1: what it is is with at eight hour period, you

1928
01:47:10,720 --> 01:47:13,240
Speaker 1: have to catch the largest five fish you can catch,

1929
01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:17,200
Speaker 1: and that's the whole objective. And as a co angler

1930
01:47:17,320 --> 01:47:19,920
Speaker 1: you also have to think and be strategic as well,

1931
01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:22,519
Speaker 1: because the person in the front of the boat has

1932
01:47:22,680 --> 01:47:26,320
Speaker 1: first opportunity of a fish that's probably more aggressive to

1933
01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:29,439
Speaker 1: catch that fish. So you're fishing behind them, you're getting

1934
01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:31,960
Speaker 1: the leftover. So you've got to have a counter bait

1935
01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:34,640
Speaker 1: that's gonna be just as good, but may not be

1936
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:37,960
Speaker 1: the exact same bait as the primary angler you're fishing with.

1937
01:47:38,560 --> 01:47:42,000
Speaker 1: And so I was very successful at that. And uh again,

1938
01:47:42,160 --> 01:47:45,559
Speaker 1: when you go to the stage, you are competing against

1939
01:47:45,640 --> 01:47:48,280
Speaker 1: other co anglers, and so your weight counts against all

1940
01:47:48,320 --> 01:47:51,519
Speaker 1: the other co anglers and uh, I've won a lot

1941
01:47:51,560 --> 01:47:55,120
Speaker 1: of money and a lot of tournaments and uh doing

1942
01:47:55,240 --> 01:47:57,360
Speaker 1: that and then moved on to the front of the

1943
01:47:57,400 --> 01:48:00,320
Speaker 1: boat and that is so exciting. And there was only

1944
01:48:00,400 --> 01:48:03,760
Speaker 1: just so you know, in the fishing industry, I can

1945
01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:07,479
Speaker 1: count on my hand for African American people that are

1946
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:11,400
Speaker 1: fishing professionally for a living. That's Brian Latimer, Mark Daniels

1947
01:48:11,479 --> 01:48:14,559
Speaker 1: ISAs Monroe and then myself who was also on TV.

1948
01:48:15,280 --> 01:48:18,679
Speaker 1: So it is a very difficult sport because the business

1949
01:48:18,760 --> 01:48:21,639
Speaker 1: model was similar to NASCAR. And so what that means

1950
01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:27,599
Speaker 1: is you have to have sponsors. And Mercury, I saw

1951
01:48:27,760 --> 01:48:32,439
Speaker 1: Ranger Boats and I saw Bass Pro Shops. Absolutely, so

1952
01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:35,720
Speaker 1: Bass Pro Shops is one of the most influential and

1953
01:48:35,800 --> 01:48:38,400
Speaker 1: the most powerful in the industry. And I am fortunate

1954
01:48:38,479 --> 01:48:42,800
Speaker 1: enough to be with Bass Pro Shops. Mercury Marine incredible

1955
01:48:42,960 --> 01:48:47,000
Speaker 1: engine uh company here in America that does a great job.

1956
01:48:47,080 --> 01:48:50,320
Speaker 1: And what I love about Mercury is they are one

1957
01:48:50,400 --> 01:48:53,320
Speaker 1: of the most diverse companies that I've ever seen. Their

1958
01:48:53,479 --> 01:48:56,760
Speaker 1: way far ahead than what I've seen most companies. And

1959
01:48:57,240 --> 01:49:00,040
Speaker 1: and I love that about Mercury. And then Gary on

1960
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:04,519
Speaker 1: Momotal custom Bates um, they are incredible as well. So

1961
01:49:04,640 --> 01:49:07,960
Speaker 1: they've all been supportive and you know, they've been there

1962
01:49:08,040 --> 01:49:11,040
Speaker 1: with me from day one, and I can appreciate it.

1963
01:49:11,120 --> 01:49:12,400
Speaker 1: And we wouldn't be able to bring a lot of

1964
01:49:12,439 --> 01:49:16,080
Speaker 1: good content without them. And uh and so so how

1965
01:49:16,120 --> 01:49:18,120
Speaker 1: does one get a sponsor. I'm just going through some

1966
01:49:18,200 --> 01:49:20,200
Speaker 1: steps here. Just let everybody know because you're such a

1967
01:49:20,360 --> 01:49:23,320
Speaker 1: unique feel You're African American. We we all know like

1968
01:49:23,479 --> 01:49:27,120
Speaker 1: NASCAR is a white dominated sport and and so that

1969
01:49:27,240 --> 01:49:29,400
Speaker 1: means I don't know if every environment you go in

1970
01:49:29,479 --> 01:49:32,000
Speaker 1: as a comfortable environment. But just talk about your experience

1971
01:49:32,040 --> 01:49:35,000
Speaker 1: overall in the fishing industry in the beginning and that

1972
01:49:36,680 --> 01:49:39,680
Speaker 1: so in the beginning of course, just like anything, when

1973
01:49:39,800 --> 01:49:42,600
Speaker 1: people think you have a TV show, Uh, people are

1974
01:49:42,640 --> 01:49:45,680
Speaker 1: just gonna pass out sponsorships because you're on TV and

1975
01:49:45,880 --> 01:49:48,120
Speaker 1: wrong answer. That is not the way it works. So

1976
01:49:48,240 --> 01:49:51,040
Speaker 1: what they do is they will watch you and quite honestly,

1977
01:49:51,320 --> 01:49:53,519
Speaker 1: it's a high risk and some of them are still

1978
01:49:54,479 --> 01:49:59,559
Speaker 1: trying to learn, uh, to deal with African American um.

1979
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:02,400
Speaker 1: A lot of them have never been exposed. I want

1980
01:50:02,400 --> 01:50:04,120
Speaker 1: to say a lot, but quite a few has it.

1981
01:50:04,240 --> 01:50:07,240
Speaker 1: I've been exposed to African American culture. So you have

1982
01:50:07,520 --> 01:50:10,720
Speaker 1: what I call a cognitive dissidence of what you see.

1983
01:50:11,040 --> 01:50:14,800
Speaker 1: You see this poloshy African American person who is patriotic

1984
01:50:14,880 --> 01:50:17,720
Speaker 1: as well and in the marine corps um, but yet

1985
01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:19,920
Speaker 1: and steal your belief system based on what you've seen

1986
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:22,920
Speaker 1: and heard. Is not recognizing what you see and there

1987
01:50:23,000 --> 01:50:26,880
Speaker 1: is a cognitive dissident, so you're fighting gets yourself. So

1988
01:50:27,080 --> 01:50:31,400
Speaker 1: ultimately that leads to sometimes not getting a sponsorship. But

1989
01:50:31,520 --> 01:50:34,200
Speaker 1: the folks that are always progressive in their thinking in

1990
01:50:34,280 --> 01:50:37,240
Speaker 1: the sense of not necessarily affiliated with a political party,

1991
01:50:37,320 --> 01:50:41,200
Speaker 1: but more so just understanding that we all want to

1992
01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:44,479
Speaker 1: sell more products. They will find a way to bring

1993
01:50:44,560 --> 01:50:47,320
Speaker 1: on the best in the business that do what they do,

1994
01:50:48,200 --> 01:50:50,560
Speaker 1: and hence that's how I've been able to get an opportunity.

1995
01:50:50,880 --> 01:50:54,000
Speaker 1: Now I got Amazon Prime, so I can so I

1996
01:50:54,320 --> 01:51:00,120
Speaker 1: can see you on Amazon Prime all seasons that the

1997
01:51:00,200 --> 01:51:03,280
Speaker 1: first three seasons, and we've had some more content come

1998
01:51:03,320 --> 01:51:07,280
Speaker 1: in that direction. I probably a three additional UH episode

1999
01:51:07,640 --> 01:51:10,920
Speaker 1: or seasons coming within the next I think too much

2000
01:51:11,200 --> 01:51:18,000
Speaker 1: sod half hour. You have one guest, you have regular people, celebrities, politicians, athletes.

2001
01:51:18,160 --> 01:51:20,599
Speaker 1: Who who who's on the boat with you when you're fishing.

2002
01:51:21,960 --> 01:51:26,240
Speaker 1: That's a great question, Rashan, and we see whoever has

2003
01:51:26,320 --> 01:51:32,879
Speaker 1: an incredible UH story. Typically you'll see entertainers, athletes everyday.

2004
01:51:32,960 --> 01:51:39,160
Speaker 1: People will like veterans, firefighters, politicians, um, and just people

2005
01:51:39,240 --> 01:51:41,200
Speaker 1: like you and I that you don't want to do

2006
01:51:41,400 --> 01:51:43,400
Speaker 1: some fishing, but they have a great story. We had

2007
01:51:43,760 --> 01:51:48,560
Speaker 1: recently UH Dr Hammond. She's a psychologist. Now that's the

2008
01:51:48,640 --> 01:51:51,920
Speaker 1: interesting thing. She's never fished before in her life. We

2009
01:51:52,160 --> 01:51:55,760
Speaker 1: had one of the best fishing days I've had on

2010
01:51:55,960 --> 01:51:59,360
Speaker 1: the show with her, and we were fishing with artificial.

2011
01:51:59,400 --> 01:52:02,879
Speaker 1: Why is that important because artificial is a very difficult

2012
01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:06,439
Speaker 1: bait to fish wood if you've never done artificial. Live

2013
01:52:06,520 --> 01:52:09,439
Speaker 1: bait is easy because that's for leman young to the fish.

2014
01:52:09,800 --> 01:52:13,599
Speaker 1: They can eat that easy. But artificial has to mimic

2015
01:52:13,760 --> 01:52:16,560
Speaker 1: something live and you gotta make it come alive. She

2016
01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:19,640
Speaker 1: was a fast learner and we caught literally close to

2017
01:52:19,720 --> 01:52:23,200
Speaker 1: a hundred fish trout on a given day. That's never

2018
01:52:23,280 --> 01:52:26,200
Speaker 1: happened before. It was just fast and furious. But my

2019
01:52:26,320 --> 01:52:29,960
Speaker 1: point is simply this, anyone that has a story, we

2020
01:52:30,080 --> 01:52:34,600
Speaker 1: will find the accommodations for fishing style that actually is

2021
01:52:34,800 --> 01:52:39,240
Speaker 1: caters to the level of fishing ability they have. Well,

2022
01:52:39,439 --> 01:52:42,639
Speaker 1: guess what I think Bibe was at her level? Will

2023
01:52:42,680 --> 01:52:50,720
Speaker 1: you bet me in my backyard. You know you got

2024
01:52:50,800 --> 01:52:52,920
Speaker 1: the equipment, but you having it was skilled. So so,

2025
01:52:53,080 --> 01:52:56,559
Speaker 1: but I think that helps with somebody, and just women

2026
01:52:56,600 --> 01:52:59,960
Speaker 1: in general, more curious and more patients were men. We stand.

2027
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:02,320
Speaker 1: They want to like just burst down the door and

2028
01:53:02,560 --> 01:53:04,479
Speaker 1: I got this, I got this, I got this. So

2029
01:53:07,200 --> 01:53:09,800
Speaker 1: you know, there's no as he being noisy fish here.

2030
01:53:09,800 --> 01:53:11,960
Speaker 1: You know, hey, man, if you don't shut up, okay,

2031
01:53:12,280 --> 01:53:18,680
Speaker 1: fishing here vibrations in the wall. Oh what really? Yes, yes, yes,

2032
01:53:19,320 --> 01:53:21,880
Speaker 1: fish heat is a quiet spot. Okay, it's not a

2033
01:53:21,920 --> 01:53:26,160
Speaker 1: football game, not basketball. I just want to let you

2034
01:53:26,240 --> 01:53:29,120
Speaker 1: know you're not you know, holla at the baseball fish.

2035
01:53:29,240 --> 01:53:31,519
Speaker 1: You know you don't do that fishing. Okay, you know

2036
01:53:31,600 --> 01:53:34,559
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about, Why would

2037
01:53:34,560 --> 01:53:36,840
Speaker 1: I get fish when you keep screaming like that, we

2038
01:53:37,000 --> 01:53:40,880
Speaker 1: won't get in there. Let you know that I don't know.

2039
01:53:40,920 --> 01:53:45,160
Speaker 1: I'm telling the truth. You are telling it like you know.

2040
01:53:45,439 --> 01:53:47,720
Speaker 1: And I can apprepiate that because my dad used to

2041
01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:51,720
Speaker 1: be that way with us. He's like, you you know,

2042
01:53:52,640 --> 01:53:57,040
Speaker 1: fish that he is there. Hey, hey, hey, hey, don't

2043
01:53:57,080 --> 01:54:03,400
Speaker 1: go there, young man. Don't go there. You know the

2044
01:54:03,479 --> 01:54:12,880
Speaker 1: fish you can swim knock time. So the essentials are

2045
01:54:13,120 --> 01:54:14,720
Speaker 1: going out there and fishing. Do you have to have

2046
01:54:14,800 --> 01:54:17,120
Speaker 1: your off mosquito repellent when you go out there? Where

2047
01:54:17,160 --> 01:54:20,960
Speaker 1: you gotta have you got? Here's what's so interesting is

2048
01:54:21,080 --> 01:54:24,120
Speaker 1: you have to have some probably not as much mosquito

2049
01:54:24,240 --> 01:54:26,680
Speaker 1: repellent as you think. And in Florida this is a

2050
01:54:26,760 --> 01:54:30,400
Speaker 1: mosquito mecca. And I think the steroids big. But what

2051
01:54:30,520 --> 01:54:32,800
Speaker 1: I do is I fished in the daytime. What my

2052
01:54:33,160 --> 01:54:37,320
Speaker 1: my actual sense is is sunscreen. Yes, I have melanin

2053
01:54:37,400 --> 01:54:40,480
Speaker 1: in my skin. I'm an African American. But sunscreen is

2054
01:54:40,600 --> 01:54:44,520
Speaker 1: so important because you can get some I've seen some

2055
01:54:44,600 --> 01:54:47,440
Speaker 1: African American skin cancer and I'm like, I don't think

2056
01:54:47,480 --> 01:54:50,120
Speaker 1: that's supposed to happen. But what happens is it's all

2057
01:54:50,160 --> 01:54:53,840
Speaker 1: about education. So definitely have the sunscreen. That's the first

2058
01:54:53,840 --> 01:54:56,560
Speaker 1: thing I do, uh, is make sure the sun screens on,

2059
01:54:56,840 --> 01:54:59,080
Speaker 1: so I greased up a little bit. Then I also

2060
01:54:59,280 --> 01:55:02,720
Speaker 1: make sure you have the appropriate gear. If you never

2061
01:55:02,800 --> 01:55:06,080
Speaker 1: fish before, probably want to have a spinning rod. And

2062
01:55:06,120 --> 01:55:08,240
Speaker 1: what a spinning rod is. It has a bail on

2063
01:55:08,440 --> 01:55:12,320
Speaker 1: it and it has the elongated um eyes that come

2064
01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:15,600
Speaker 1: off the rod. And it's a lot easier to learn

2065
01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:19,000
Speaker 1: with a spinning rod than a baitcaster. Baycaster gets you

2066
01:55:19,040 --> 01:55:21,280
Speaker 1: in trouble if you've never thrown it before, but a

2067
01:55:21,400 --> 01:55:23,760
Speaker 1: spinning rod is so important and a lot of people

2068
01:55:23,800 --> 01:55:25,560
Speaker 1: still fish with it even though they may how to

2069
01:55:26,160 --> 01:55:28,840
Speaker 1: may know how to throw a bay caster, so it's

2070
01:55:28,960 --> 01:55:30,880
Speaker 1: it's a good place to start. And then I like

2071
01:55:31,000 --> 01:55:33,400
Speaker 1: to have some good fishing line. I like to throw

2072
01:55:33,560 --> 01:55:39,200
Speaker 1: floor carbon versus monofilament, then what's the difference. Monofilament is

2073
01:55:39,520 --> 01:55:42,840
Speaker 1: a little bit more stretchy and it can be seen.

2074
01:55:43,160 --> 01:55:46,920
Speaker 1: But the floor carbon we practiced the light reflect the lights,

2075
01:55:47,000 --> 01:55:49,879
Speaker 1: so you can't see it underwater. Why is that important

2076
01:55:50,200 --> 01:55:53,040
Speaker 1: because the fish can't see it as well. In addition,

2077
01:55:53,160 --> 01:55:56,520
Speaker 1: it does not have stretched So if it doesn't have stretch,

2078
01:55:57,080 --> 01:55:59,360
Speaker 1: once you get a bite, you pull on that thing

2079
01:55:59,480 --> 01:56:03,120
Speaker 1: you're pulling the fish mono has a little stretch. So

2080
01:56:03,240 --> 01:56:06,160
Speaker 1: those are all little important things. And people have little

2081
01:56:06,760 --> 01:56:10,160
Speaker 1: uh idiosyncrasy that they use with fishing. And then some

2082
01:56:10,280 --> 01:56:12,760
Speaker 1: people even have superstitions. Some people don't believe in having

2083
01:56:12,800 --> 01:56:15,480
Speaker 1: bananas in the boat. I'm sorry, I'm gonna eat whenever

2084
01:56:15,560 --> 01:56:19,400
Speaker 1: I'm home, and I eat whatever I want to eat. So,

2085
01:56:20,240 --> 01:56:23,080
Speaker 1: you know, there's all sorts of superstitions with fishing. But

2086
01:56:23,200 --> 01:56:26,000
Speaker 1: then there's also a lot of information about fishing that

2087
01:56:26,120 --> 01:56:28,360
Speaker 1: people didn't know that I didn't learn. I didn't learn

2088
01:56:28,360 --> 01:56:32,480
Speaker 1: about George Snyder until probably about seven or eight years ago.

2089
01:56:32,720 --> 01:56:37,040
Speaker 1: He was a person that created the first reel made

2090
01:56:37,120 --> 01:56:41,600
Speaker 1: in America in nine and eighteen twenty. He was African

2091
01:56:41,640 --> 01:56:46,600
Speaker 1: America and he created the first reel. Nobody knew that

2092
01:56:46,880 --> 01:56:49,040
Speaker 1: people who ask questions like, man, I'm so glad to

2093
01:56:49,080 --> 01:56:52,800
Speaker 1: see African Americans fishing, stop right there. African Americans with

2094
01:56:52,880 --> 01:56:57,840
Speaker 1: some of the first to fish always And isn't isn't

2095
01:56:57,840 --> 01:57:00,760
Speaker 1: it the problem we have right now that history they

2096
01:57:00,760 --> 01:57:03,360
Speaker 1: always talking about counseling culture, that what the black culture

2097
01:57:03,400 --> 01:57:07,040
Speaker 1: has always been canceled. Wow, that is a good point,

2098
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Speaker 1: you know, because of the fact that because we're about

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Speaker 1: to transition to into your two parts series of difficult discussion.

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Speaker 1: Because of the fact that when I look at our president,

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Speaker 1: you know, quick to sign uh executive orders to protect

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Speaker 1: the Confederate statues, okay, and then turn around and say

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Speaker 1: that Black Lives Matter is a hate group and and

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Speaker 1: not understanding their the the the the accomplishments we had.

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Speaker 1: That's why when Drew Brees said his father's fought in

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Speaker 1: the war and his grandfather saw in the war, because

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Speaker 1: in his mind he's never been educated the black people

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Speaker 1: fought and anything, because the history is not there. You know,

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Speaker 1: the history doesn't write us in like that. And now

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Speaker 1: you know we we we they brought us over, they

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Speaker 1: freed us. Okay. Then it moved up to to uh,

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Speaker 1: the I have a dream speech. Then it moved up

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Speaker 1: to the civil rights and after that, brother, you know,

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Speaker 1: we didn't do anything else but stay on welfare, sale

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Speaker 1: crack and raised the crime rate according to the population

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Speaker 1: that wants to push that narrative. And so when I

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Speaker 1: hear you talk about eighteen twin in a black man

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Speaker 1: created the first really fishing rod, I'm not stunned because,

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Speaker 1: as you all know, black people were creative because basically

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Speaker 1: we're out there doing the work anyway. So if you're

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Speaker 1: doing the work, you're gonna figure out how to do

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Speaker 1: it faster and easier and more convenient. That's why we

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Speaker 1: created the cotton gym. Okay, now, but you put together

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Speaker 1: this this two parts here is called the difficult Discussion.

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Speaker 1: As I saw both episodes, it was three black men,

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Speaker 1: two white men. Tell us how you selected the five

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Speaker 1: and tell us how the whole scenario, the whole scenario started.

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Speaker 1: Because it really was cool where you did it, because

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Speaker 1: you still kept the fishing aspect into the episode wrapped

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Speaker 1: around this conversation, which I really enjoyed. I didn't I

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Speaker 1: didn't know what to expect, but when I got that, went,

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Speaker 1: oh this is this is I wouldn't say they're nice.

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Speaker 1: But it was enjoyable because I wasn't I wasn't taken

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Speaker 1: out of the whole reason why I watched the show.

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Speaker 1: But I was able to hear on this conversation from

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Speaker 1: men having the difficult conversations because even though the conversation

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Speaker 1: flowed away flow, some statements will held back a little bit,

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Speaker 1: but a lot of honesty was at least transmitted. Talk

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Speaker 1: to us about it right quick running. Yeah, So what

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Speaker 1: we did is we took some folks that have been

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Speaker 1: on my show already, everyone that was in the panel

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Speaker 1: because I fished with him before. Um, we had them

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Speaker 1: on the show, and I've called several other folks and

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Speaker 1: not everybody was comfortable. So I was okay with that.

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Speaker 1: So I took the folks that were available, and uh,

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Speaker 1: we had some folks even fly in just to be

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Speaker 1: a part of it. Because when a lot has gone

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Speaker 1: on in our country over the last few months, Uh,

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Speaker 1: there's been a lot of conversation and talking to friends

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Speaker 1: and family and then talking to even the guys that

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Speaker 1: were on the show. Before we even got on the show,

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Speaker 1: there was a lot of different dialogue and conversation about

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Speaker 1: I said, well, whyn't we bring it to a place

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Speaker 1: I said, where it's my lane. And what I mean

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Speaker 1: by my lane. I'm not gonna try to walk into

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Speaker 1: a surgeon's offense and try to become a surgeon just

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Speaker 1: because I want to. I'm not gonna try to be

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Speaker 1: a politician because I feel like I'm a politician, but

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about honest issues from the platform

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Speaker 1: that I have. And so we brought everybody on and

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Speaker 1: we talked about the difficult discussions. Uh with the show.

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Speaker 1: It's starting off being just one show, but after all

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Speaker 1: the content was done and CBS Sports agreed we need

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Speaker 1: to have two shows through episodes and uh, we we

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Speaker 1: got into some deep areaus Colin Kaepernick, we got into

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Speaker 1: you know, all of the folks being killed, you know

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Speaker 1: in the streets my police. Uh, and then we talked

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Speaker 1: about a little bit of everything. But at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, we actually established the ground rus. And

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Speaker 1: there was a ground rus that I established, uh, just

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Speaker 1: based on my interaction with folks and me and my

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Speaker 1: wife sit down to talk about it is belief system,

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Speaker 1: because that's where everything starts. And so we define what

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Speaker 1: a belief system is. And then we actually built on

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Speaker 1: belief system by moving to narrative, because the narrative is

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Speaker 1: an account of what you see, sometimes infused with the

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Speaker 1: belief system, which we all agree the belief system comes

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Speaker 1: from our parents or pair of figures. So at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day we talked about all those issues

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Speaker 1: and always being able, being able to refer back to

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Speaker 1: belief system and narrative. So just because you see a

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Speaker 1: certain thing doesn't mean that it's exactly what you see.

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Speaker 1: But it's easy to ride to train when you feel

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Speaker 1: like your emotions are stirred. Case in point is calling

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Speaker 1: kaepinet not talking about the the the important fixed factor

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Speaker 1: in it is he sat down on his on his bottom,

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Speaker 1: you know, at first, and then UH talked to and

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Speaker 1: consulted Sergeant Boyer, who was a long snapper on the

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Speaker 1: San Francisco forty, and he said, I agree with what

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Speaker 1: you're doing, but it might be a little bit more respectful.

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Speaker 1: You can do whatever you want, but I would recommend

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Speaker 1: you take a knee. He said, well, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a knee because he wanted to take

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Speaker 1: a peaceful stance. But the message the narrative was missed

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Speaker 1: because he was doing it to actually bring attention to

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Speaker 1: what we are dealing with right now, which is African

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Speaker 1: American people are being assassinated in the streets by people

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Speaker 1: of authority that are paid to protect and serve. So

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Speaker 1: that was the issue. But the narrative was splipped, and

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Speaker 1: I talked about historically, and we couldn't put everything into

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Speaker 1: the episode. We had to depend on the editor and

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Speaker 1: I had to be a part of that process as well,

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Speaker 1: but we had to put what we could get in

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day. Historically, if you look

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Speaker 1: at Muhammad Ali, if you look at the folks in Olympics,

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Speaker 1: if you look at any entertainer, yes, sir, it takes

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Speaker 1: a stand about something simple that is unrest that has

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Speaker 1: to do with us. The narratives can be flipped because

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Speaker 1: it's so easy to flip a narrative because you want

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Speaker 1: to stop the momentum. The momentum is what you want

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Speaker 1: to stop. So what you do is find a way

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Speaker 1: to give a counternetter and I talked about even Martin

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Speaker 1: Luther King. There was always a counter narrative with him,

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Speaker 1: but we celebrate him as a hero, American hero. We

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Speaker 1: have a holiday dedicated to it. But there was so

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Speaker 1: many more in our country. That looked like me. But again, narratives. So, uh,

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Speaker 1: it's interesting no matter what we do, in some instances,

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Speaker 1: sometimes the narratives can be flipped. And it's because there

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Speaker 1: is always a counter current trying to say, hey, we

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Speaker 1: don't want to give that credit because we don't want

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Speaker 1: to give the ability for someone to actually change their

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Speaker 1: belief system. Because if you change the belief system, then

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Speaker 1: people believe that there's other people that did some others,

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Speaker 1: they things in this country. That that's the that's the

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Speaker 1: key right there, giving credit, giving the recognition, you know,

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Speaker 1: acknowledging that we did not share properly the history of

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Speaker 1: African Americans in our school books. Uh, that's what we're

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Speaker 1: talking about with you know, when you when you walk

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Speaker 1: around here and you're saluting uh statues that of the Confederacy,

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Speaker 1: and and then you hear the word trader thrown out there.

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Speaker 1: A lot they were traders. They fought against the against them,

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Speaker 1: they try to divide this country. But we're saluting them

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Speaker 1: as heroes. But we don't salute our accomplishments throughout the community,

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Speaker 1: you know. And so what we what we try to do,

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Speaker 1: and so so what I was looking at the two parter.

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Speaker 1: You know, I thought it was informative, it was humorous,

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Speaker 1: you know a little what the little chubby guy name,

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Speaker 1: he was funny man, he was funny. He thought. I

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Speaker 1: spent a good, under good conversation away and and I

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Speaker 1: love for the conversation about you can disagree with the

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Speaker 1: African Americans, but but all you're you're not a racist.

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Speaker 1: And that's that's what the conversation we're trying to get

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Speaker 1: to is they talk to me. Don't as just talk

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Speaker 1: to me, Just talk And that's what that was my

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02:05:07,600 --> 02:05:10,160
Speaker 1: big takeaway from watching your show with like, just talk

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Speaker 1: to me, and I get you there, but but if

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Speaker 1: you just assume something about me, and that's that's where

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Speaker 1: we all turned the wround corner. When you when you

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Speaker 1: lock your doors and I walked by, you know, when

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Speaker 1: you when you nervously walked past me, or when the

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Speaker 1: cop that a white person will never understand. I gotta said,

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Speaker 1: like this, that is different when a a cops stops

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Speaker 1: a white person and an emotion that they feel when

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Speaker 1: a cops stops a black person, way different, way different, Yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: because I said this and I talked about it in

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Speaker 1: in the very First stepisode that was your first stop

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Speaker 1: my experience. Yeah, yeah, you're the white passenger and he

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02:05:48,600 --> 02:05:51,080
Speaker 1: took you out, you know what I'm saying, and brought

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Speaker 1: you to the rack and the white passenger like what's

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Speaker 1: going on? Hey? Hey, And that's that's really that's really

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Speaker 1: where we had in our lives right now. Man, to

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Speaker 1: see that. Uh, first of all, you know, for you

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02:06:02,480 --> 02:06:05,120
Speaker 1: to do that for your show, because you're gonna reach

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02:06:05,160 --> 02:06:08,360
Speaker 1: a totally different audience, audience very you know, Fisherman. We're

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Speaker 1: not saying that they pretty conservative. They kind of rural

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Speaker 1: minded individuals who needed to see that conversation also from

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Speaker 1: some people who are courageous enough that we're white to

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Speaker 1: sit down and have this conversation, because that's how we're

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Speaker 1: gonna win. Man. That that's that's that's how the flag

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Speaker 1: comes down at NASCAR. Man, that's how we're gonna remove

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Speaker 1: some of these statues. He's gonna want to remove them,

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Speaker 1: all these Confederate statues and walk around and realize that

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Speaker 1: I have value And that's all you told me in

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Speaker 1: your show man, right. I want to thank you for

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Speaker 1: doing that, Man, for you realize what motivates you to

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Speaker 1: do that about your show? To do that bring that

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Speaker 1: to your show. Well, well, I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: my motivation is again, I always believe that with everything

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Speaker 1: going on, make no mistakes about it, I have emotion

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Speaker 1: like anybody else, and I get upset and I but

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Speaker 1: I always feel like you gotta stay in your lane,

2282
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Speaker 1: so use your platform. So my wife is a position

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Speaker 1: and where she does what she does that work as

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Speaker 1: a physician, and she can do what she does at

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Speaker 1: her platform. But I felt like I was not granted

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Speaker 1: and getted this platform just to sit on it and

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Speaker 1: feel comfortable. That's a problem. You cannot always feel comfortable.

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Speaker 1: You gotta get uncomfortable to make change. And that's the

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Speaker 1: history of America is You've got to do something that

2290
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Speaker 1: makes you uncomfortable and that causes growth, not just for you,

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Speaker 1: but everybody around you. So I felt like I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: do it as fair and as possible by having a dialogue.

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Speaker 1: And again, people are gonna see it because a lot

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Speaker 1: of folks have never been exposed to it. So at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, now they see a model here.

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Speaker 1: Now we've got a best practice. So when people see

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Speaker 1: a model, they may be able to replicate that behavior

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Speaker 1: in a different environment. Cool writing, thank you for I

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Speaker 1: can see this episode on Amazon Prime right now, Amazon

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Speaker 1: Prime Video. Uh, it will be coming. And as a

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Speaker 1: matter of fact, we have and you'll hear it first

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Speaker 1: on your show. Is We're gonna have an actual airing

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Speaker 1: on on on YouTube as well, especially of both episodes,

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Speaker 1: because we really want people to see this because many

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Speaker 1: people don't have cable medies. Absolutely, I want to thank

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Speaker 1: you my friend Ronnie Green. Gotta come back to the

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