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Speaker 1: Why has this not been uncovered? I mean, I see, Grace,

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Speaker 1: Barry Levine. Barry is the author of an incredible book

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Speaker 1: called Listen to This, The Spider Inside the Tangled Web

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Speaker 1: of Jeffrey Epstein and Elaine Maxwell. Wow. He is a

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Speaker 1: veteran investigative reporter and editor both in print and in TV. Barry,

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Speaker 1: I've got so many questions for you, but I want

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Speaker 1: to start with something we don't normally hear about. Regarding Epstein,

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Speaker 1: I've done a lot of research on this, but I'm

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Speaker 1: At his height, he had about, give or take five

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Speaker 1: You have uncovered evidence that this is a world wide operation.

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Speaker 2: Explain that's absolutely correct, Nancy, And I'm hoping that if

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Speaker 2: You have to remember that after Jeffrey Epstein received that

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Speaker 2: And you mentioned one Jean Luke Brunell, who was a

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Speaker 1: You know, you said this was an island of horrors

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Speaker 2: It is real, and you know I've been through thousands

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Speaker 1: Put him up. We need to go. Yeah, I got

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Speaker 1: Barry Levine, Barry Levine, you know how banks are. They

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Speaker 2: Because for years this went on and they looked the

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Speaker 2: I said, Senator Whyden, is one individual saint who is

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. But my question, if you

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Speaker 3: Banks?

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Speaker 2: There were individuals with the bank, with the banks who

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Speaker 3: Allegedly looked the other way.

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Speaker 2: And in terms of all these funny transactions, the wire transfers,

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein, according to his estate so executives of his

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Speaker 1: But there's got to be more barry. It's not just

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Speaker 1: doing questionable bank maneuvers. They didn't pay the settlement to

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Speaker 1: just anybody. They pay the settlement to sex trafficking girl victims.

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Speaker 1: Why what's the nexus the banks paid the little girls?

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Speaker 2: Why because they didn't want bank officials being prosecuted. That's

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Speaker 1: To say in a very very very roundabout way that

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Speaker 2: That is true, Nancy, And in fact, there are some

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Speaker 3: Oh boo hooo, and prosecuted.

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Speaker 1: They made money. The banks made money off these girls

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Speaker 1: I typically do not believe in conspiracies because I don't

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Speaker 1: that example? Oj was framed? No, he wasn't. Because somebody

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Speaker 1: I don't believe in conspiracies. This I believe in. This

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Speaker 1: I am talking about Russia, Turkey, the stands, France where

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Speaker 1: you're right, Levine, Florida was onto him. New York was

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Speaker 2: It's the whole thing is tragic. After Jeffrey Epstein's death,

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Speaker 1: Called so don't tell me she's dead.

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Speaker 2: But she was fired from her job because she was

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Speaker 2: She named the Southern Trust as nothing more than a

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Speaker 3: Of all this.

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Speaker 2: And when she was making so much noise that the

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Speaker 3: This investigation on on our own. You've done enough.

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Speaker 2: After that, they basically said, we're going to wash your

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Speaker 1: You know, we keep having people testifying about this. I

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Speaker 1: That's quite the spate of suicides. But before I get

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Speaker 1: you know what everybody always talks about. Oh, she's so glamorous,

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Speaker 1: She lured them into the web. She didn't just hand

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the the only way she justified this she.

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Speaker 3: Told friends, and I quoted them in my book.

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Speaker 2: She said to me, these girls are nothing but trash.

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Speaker 1: He basically, okay, stop stop, stop, put him up, put

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Speaker 1: These girls came home, nobody was there until they befriended

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Speaker 2: And we have to we have to see that down

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Speaker 2: There are people around her who want to see her

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Speaker 2: pardoned by the president. We have to continue to remind

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Speaker 4: For Pete's sake, but we have to keep on pounding

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Speaker 4: this point because she was She brought these girls to Epstein, not.

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Speaker 2: Only so he content, but she also took part in

436
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 2: the sexual abuse. And we have to keep her behind bars.

437
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: She's an animal, and she deserved the sentence for brave

438
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: women testified against her at her trial. One of them

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00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 2: died of an accidental drug overdose. Because these women still

440
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 2: suffering to this day. They still can't many of them

441
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 2: still can't move beyond their childhood's being taken by these

442
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 2: two the predatory Bonnie and Clyde as I called him

443
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 2: in my book, But even calling them a Bonnie and Clyde,

444
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 2: it is not nice enough in terms of what they did.

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00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 2: They were both sexual predators. They were both animals. And

446
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 2: she needs not that receives a being a minimum security

447
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 2: camp where she is now in Texas. She should be

448
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: in an absolute maximum security facility. It's horrible in terms

449
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 2: of how she is manipulating individuals in the government right

450
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 2: now to get what she wants.

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Speaker 3: And that's wrong.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Gray find everyone because it's getting

453
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Speaker 1: lost in the sauce that the reason Gilene Maxwell is

454
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Speaker 1: convicted right now and sentenced to twenty years is because

455
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: four then little girls testified against her. Scrawny bony rear

456
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Speaker 1: end about them and I know you don't want to

457
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: think about it, but you have to judge the facts,

458
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Speaker 1: even if they taste bad. Going down, she was convicted

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Speaker 1: from little girls herself. What does she do hold them

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Speaker 1: down while he ran them digitally them? I don't know

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Speaker 1: what she did, but hold that in your mind when

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00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: you look at her picture. Hold that in your mind

463
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Speaker 1: when you try to figure out if Elaine Max WILLI

464
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Speaker 1: ever tell the truth? There's only one way she may

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00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: tell part of the truth, and that's to save her

466
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: own skin. What can she offer us? Why do I

467
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: even want her? That's doing a deal with the devil

468
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Speaker 1: of aid.

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00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 2: It is and the government has already accused her of perjury.

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Speaker 3: So anything she says, anything that comes.

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00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 2: Out of her mouth, has to be collaborated by fact,

472
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,720
Speaker 2: has to be coroborated by documents, has to be cooberated

473
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 2: by other victims. We can't take anything that she said

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Speaker 2: that's truthful because she has lied from the very very beginning.

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Speaker 2: And it is appalling that that officials even went out

476
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 2: of their way to go down to Florida to interview her. Okay,

477
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 2: she was being treated like she was a special v

478
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: I p to me that was so wrong. But listen,

479
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Speaker 2: if she if she.

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Speaker 1: Of child abuse. He's got there were ten thousand tapes.

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Speaker 1: Every place he had was blanketed in video cams. In fact,

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Speaker 1: do you point this out? Levan And a lot of

483
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: people didn't know this that he actually had local police

484
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: Billie come to his place in Florida to set up

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Speaker 1: the video cams to catch people stealing from him. In

486
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 1: other words, video John's rich. John's having twelve year old

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00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: little girls, That's why. And they went along with it

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Speaker 1: and set up the video cams in his place.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's disturbing in terms of how a police department

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Speaker 2: in Palm Beach. Jeffrey Epstein gave money in terms of

491
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 2: charities to the police. He called on them and said, Hey,

492
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,919
Speaker 2: I've got employees stealing from me. Would you come over

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00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 2: here and help me set up secret surveillance cameras and

494
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 2: my home. They went over there and they did that,

495
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 2: and he ended up using those cameras to record not

496
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 2: only his own criminality but also that of other individuals.

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00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 2: And we still don't know where all these tapes are.

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00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 2: He had homes in Palm Beach, he had his townhouse

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00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 2: in New York, he had his ranch, the Zoro Ranch

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00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 2: in New Mexico. He had of course the island in

501
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 2: the Virgin Islands, and then he had the apartment in Paris.

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00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 2: He had each and every one of his homes wired

503
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Speaker 2: for secret surveillance. So there's thousands and thousands and thousands

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00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 2: of capes and the government is sitting on some material.

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00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: But I also believe that there's other tapes that are

506
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,720
Speaker 2: out there. I tell a story of my book about

507
00:36:53,719 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: how incense one detective from Palm Beach was as after

508
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 2: Epstein received that slap on the wrist, because they had

509
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 2: compiled forty victims initially in their investigation, and this detective

510
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 2: allegedly turned over evidence to an individual who now is

511
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 2: in Russia and apparently has some of that material. So

512
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 2: who has that material? Do the Russians have that material?

513
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 2: The authorities over there have that material? Is it blackmail material?

514
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 3: We don't know.

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00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: There is so much that still has to be done

516
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: related to this case.

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Speaker 1: Barry, why are we why have we been lied to?

518
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 1: Why are we not getting the files?

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00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 2: You know, we were promised that this was going to

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00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 2: be the most transparent presidency in history. I'm going to

521
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: get the JFK files and Martin Luther King files. President

522
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: Trump was asked during the campaign would he release the

523
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein files. He said he would. He put him

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00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 2: in the hands of Pam Bondi, who promised that she

525
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 2: was going to release the files. And then over fourth

526
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 2: of July week and we were stonewalled. We received a

527
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 2: two page memo that basically said, Jeffrey Epstein died behind bars,

528
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 2: there was nothing nefarious about his death, there was no

529
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 2: client lists, there's no blackmail, and everybody basically go home.

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Speaker 2: It reminded me of the scene and Wizard of Oz

531
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 2: where Dorothy they killed the witch and she takes the

532
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 2: broom and the wizards basically says thank you, but you

533
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 2: can all go home. Now, you can all leave. I'm

534
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:57,439
Speaker 2: gonna I'm not gonna help you. Why are we being

535
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 2: stonewalled on the files? This we don't know. Are there

536
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 2: names of individuals that they're trying to protect what's in

537
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 2: the files that's so sensitive and so secret that they

538
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 2: can't share that material with the American public and with

539
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 2: his victims, And of course there should be redactions of

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00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:24,280
Speaker 2: victims and information about the victims, and there's information about

541
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 2: some third parties that maybe weren't involved with us. You

542
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 2: have to remember that Jeffrey Epstein lived in two worlds.

543
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: He lived in his criminality and then he also lived

544
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 2: in this world of celebrities, scientists, barbered.

545
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Speaker 3: School officials.

546
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 2: Would he would hold symposiums and seminars and fly important

547
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: people down to his island to talk about scientific things

548
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 2: that he found fascinating. So he was blurring the.

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Speaker 1: Whatever, and then they got twelve year old. Okay, so there.

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00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: I got to tell you something, Barry. I love our

551
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: country and I love deeply our justice system. It was

552
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: my savior after my fiance was murdered, and I am

553
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 1: loyal to our country regardless of who's in the White House.

554
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: But I have to tell you I feel sick over

555
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: this because our government, our own government that we elected,

556
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: is hiding this evidence. And I think it precedes this administration.

557
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: It was hidden before this. It goes all the way

558
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: back that I know of, to a cover up in

559
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 1: Palm Beach long before. In this White House administration, our

560
00:40:55,200 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 1: government is covering up for the wealthy and privilege, and

561
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: the little girls are being treated like trash, just like

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00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: Elaine Maxwell called them.

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00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: I'm embarrassed and sickened, but not disabled. What can we do,

565
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: if anything, to get justice, Barry?

566
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: Well, right now, we have to hope that these lawmakers

567
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 2: who are bringing in individuals, and apparently they've been promised

568
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 2: that the Justice Department is going to begin turning over

569
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 2: the files. It's a small step, but at least someone

570
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 2: is going to get their hands on some of this material.

571
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 2: And they're promising that eventually the American public will see

572
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 2: this and see the transcripts of the depositions that they're

573
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 2: that they're taking small step, but it's something. But what's

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00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 2: infuriating is that with one executive order or a signature,

575
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 2: we could have the public could have all of these

576
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 2: documents for the proper investigators to go through and determine

577
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 2: are there individuals that need to be brought to justice.

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00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 2: And until that happens, none of us can ever rest.

579
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Speaker 2: We have to keep up pressure on the government, our

580
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 2: government to do the right thing.

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00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: Nobody's going to do the right thing until they're threatened financially,

582
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 1: until they think they're going to lose their job, they're

583
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: going to get sued. That's the only time, unless they're

584
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: threatened with exposure, then they might come clean when it

585
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: comes right down to the wire. I've learned so much

586
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: from your essay in the New York Times and from

587
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 1: your book The Spider Inside The Tangled web of Jeffrey

588
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: Epstein and Gilain Maxwell Barry.

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00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, Nancy.

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00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: We remember an American hero Officer, Brian Hawkins, Lake CITYPD, Georgia,

591
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: killed in the line of duty after serving twenty two

592
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: years in LA, leaving behind his grieving wife, Renee. American

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Speaker 1: hero Officer Brian Hawkins. Nancy Gray signing off, I'll see

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Speaker 1: you tomorrow night, and until then, good night friend,