1
00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:03,960
Speaker 1: The most valuable commodity I know of is information.

2
00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:05,600
Speaker 2: Wouldn't you agree?

3
00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:13,960
Speaker 1: F five dollars? This is a rainless happy tackle kit one.

4
00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:18,360
Speaker 1: You're saying that humans need fantasy to make life bearable,

5
00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:25,600
Speaker 1: Humans need fantasy to be human? My goodness, I speak.

6
00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:31,240
Speaker 1: I suppose it's the best, relentless refusing to give up.

7
00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:33,040
Speaker 1: All right, hit that horn, babs.

8
00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:40,000
Speaker 2: What's up everybody, and welcome to the Fantasy Flex Podcast.

9
00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:44,840
Speaker 2: I am your host, Chris Raybon, and this is our

10
00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:51,680
Speaker 2: NFC North off season fantasy preview. We'll be talking everything

11
00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,000
Speaker 2: to do with the NFC North. Got my dude, Sean

12
00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:55,920
Speaker 2: Kerner here with me. Sean, what's going on?

13
00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,840
Speaker 1: What's up? Congrats on the NBA season being over, snaight,

14
00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,760
Speaker 1: can you know focus fully on NFL now with me?

15
00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:04,840
Speaker 1: I know, I'm excited.

16
00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,959
Speaker 2: I've been kind of all up in my ranking spreadsheet

17
00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,280
Speaker 2: all week trying to get get all these undrafted free

18
00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,040
Speaker 2: agents that I'm gonna end up the leading again to

19
00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,319
Speaker 2: my spreadsheet. But I like to have the rosters like

20
00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:19,319
Speaker 2: one hundred percent accurate, just just to kind of go

21
00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,040
Speaker 2: through to go through camp. But uh, I've been watching,

22
00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,240
Speaker 2: I've been watching a lot of hockey lately too, So.

23
00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,560
Speaker 1: Another extra week. Oh my god. After I went to

24
00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:32,640
Speaker 1: the King's Oilers Oilers game, uh, and I bet on

25
00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,000
Speaker 1: like the under in game Under. It was like ten

26
00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,440
Speaker 1: and a half something crazy and they scored a goal

27
00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,480
Speaker 1: with like five seconds left. I refuse to bet on

28
00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:41,320
Speaker 1: hockey ever again.

29
00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:46,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, I feel like my winning percentage on live

30
00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:48,600
Speaker 2: like events that I go to live is so much

31
00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,640
Speaker 2: lower because most of those bets I made drunkenly. You're

32
00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,400
Speaker 2: forcing the issue. Like with the Sparks game.

33
00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,480
Speaker 1: That was like the only bet I didn't put in

34
00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,880
Speaker 1: the app and the only bet that lost that night. Yeah,

35
00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:05,600
Speaker 1: that was brutal. Good thing we didn't. Yeah, all right, Hey.

36
00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,079
Speaker 2: So yeah we're gonna we're gonna jump right into this

37
00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:08,840
Speaker 2: NFC North.

38
00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:10,520
Speaker 1: We'll talk player by player.

39
00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,360
Speaker 2: But before we do that, just a note to you

40
00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,120
Speaker 2: guys out there. First of all, thank you for listening.

41
00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,880
Speaker 2: Second of all, we have the contest winner to announce,

42
00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:25,160
Speaker 2: and just a reminder to rate and review the podcast,

43
00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,480
Speaker 2: because each week we'll be calling out our favorite five

44
00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,959
Speaker 2: star review right here on the show, and every reviewer

45
00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:36,200
Speaker 2: we call out. It's a free Action Network Pro subscription

46
00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,720
Speaker 2: for one whole year, so be sure to leave those

47
00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,560
Speaker 2: awesome Apple podcast reviews and keep listening to hear a

48
00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:44,320
Speaker 2: shout you out.

49
00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:49,200
Speaker 1: This week's winner is Clint Pardue. Thank you Clint for the.

50
00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,200
Speaker 2: Kind words in the review, and you can hit up

51
00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:59,400
Speaker 2: podcasts at actionnetwork dot com to claim your free year

52
00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,560
Speaker 2: of an Action Network Pro subscription. That's podcast at actionnetwork

53
00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,680
Speaker 2: dot com for Clint Pardue and congrats.

54
00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,760
Speaker 1: Thank you. All right, let's get into the Green Bay

55
00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:12,200
Speaker 1: Packers to start.

56
00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:17,839
Speaker 2: Off, John, I feel like this might be the year

57
00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,160
Speaker 2: and we see what we see a non MVP year

58
00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,200
Speaker 2: from Aaron Rodgers. I don't know, like I don't want to,

59
00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,320
Speaker 2: I don't want to say it and then it looks stupid.

60
00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,160
Speaker 2: But I just feel like it's going to be so

61
00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,000
Speaker 2: difficult for him to replicate what he's done over the

62
00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:33,440
Speaker 2: past couple of years with with Lafleur, without DeVante Adams.

63
00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:35,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like how you leave a little bit of

64
00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,600
Speaker 1: wiggle room there. Non MVP for sure. Will he still

65
00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,080
Speaker 1: be really good, yes, but non MVP I can definitely

66
00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,760
Speaker 1: get behind that. And when you know, when it comes

67
00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,240
Speaker 1: to Fantasy, his ADP is QB ten right now, and

68
00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,040
Speaker 1: that does seem like people are just kind of paying

69
00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:52,920
Speaker 1: for his name, right. I mean, we all know he's

70
00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,400
Speaker 1: a first Bell Hall of Famer. He'll make do with

71
00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,200
Speaker 1: what he has this year, but he's gonna be without

72
00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,920
Speaker 1: his top dog and Davante Adams. So I don't know

73
00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,240
Speaker 1: how you would take him in the top ten right now.

74
00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,800
Speaker 1: Like he still has a super high floor, Like he's

75
00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,120
Speaker 1: not going to finish outside of the top twenty if

76
00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,360
Speaker 1: he says healthy all year, But he just doesn't have

77
00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,160
Speaker 1: the ceiling to take him the top ten. You know,

78
00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,120
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the same rushing up side that he

79
00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,280
Speaker 1: did earlier in his career, and you know a bunch

80
00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,479
Speaker 1: of guys have rushing upside now. So I just don't

81
00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,080
Speaker 1: get why you would take him inside the top ten

82
00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,120
Speaker 1: right now. If you're in a one QB league, you

83
00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,520
Speaker 1: can probably get similar value just by streaming the waiver

84
00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,680
Speaker 1: wire if you do it correctly. So I'm out on him.

85
00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,719
Speaker 1: He'll still be really good, but like you said, it

86
00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:35,400
Speaker 1: probably won't be like MVP good.

87
00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm thinking, you know, we could see a return

88
00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:44,240
Speaker 2: to the years that kind of got some people to

89
00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,359
Speaker 2: be included to prematurely kind of write him off. You know,

90
00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,840
Speaker 2: he was kind of finishing in that QB nine to

91
00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:54,880
Speaker 2: QB fourteen range before Matt Laflor got there. But now, yes,

92
00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,400
Speaker 2: the floor is still there. But you got Hackett his

93
00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,440
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator in Denver, and then you got DeVante Adams,

94
00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:06,760
Speaker 2: his go to wide receiver in Vegas. So those are

95
00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:11,400
Speaker 2: two very important components of a quarterback success that are

96
00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:12,880
Speaker 2: no longer here in Green Bay.

97
00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,960
Speaker 1: The defense is getting better. AJ Dillon's getting better.

98
00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,240
Speaker 2: So I actually think Green Bay will still be a

99
00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,000
Speaker 2: good team, but they might be one of those teams

100
00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,000
Speaker 2: that's like a lot of running, a lot of defense,

101
00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,360
Speaker 2: and they don't really need Aaron Rodgers to put up

102
00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,120
Speaker 2: MVP caliber numbers anyway.

103
00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:30,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, they're still gonna be a really good team,

104
00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,159
Speaker 1: and right they probably won't have to throw as much

105
00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:34,640
Speaker 1: this year.

106
00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you look at I got some numbers for it,

107
00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,000
Speaker 2: you know, just to kind of drive the point home.

108
00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,400
Speaker 2: Last two years, nine point five yards per attempt targeting

109
00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:50,040
Speaker 2: Davante Adams seven point eight targeting everyone else. Now you

110
00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,120
Speaker 2: say that's a little higher because you're taking a lot

111
00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,400
Speaker 2: of wide receiver targets away. So but even if you like,

112
00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,040
Speaker 2: that's one point seven difference, even if you put like

113
00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,680
Speaker 2: a league average wide receiver, you're still talking over one

114
00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:05,120
Speaker 2: yard per attempt different. And then the touchdown rate nine

115
00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:09,400
Speaker 2: point five percent per target to Adams seven point nine

116
00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,800
Speaker 2: percent to everyone else. So for people out there counting

117
00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,640
Speaker 2: at home, that's about a ten touchdown difference for six

118
00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:17,960
Speaker 2: hundred attempts if you go from nine point five to

119
00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,440
Speaker 2: seven point nine. And that's before you know factoring in

120
00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:24,320
Speaker 2: just regression of him putting up these MVP like numbers anyway,

121
00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,640
Speaker 2: So I think you could see a lot more of

122
00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:31,400
Speaker 2: a pedestrian efficient but pedestrian year from Rogers this year.

123
00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,440
Speaker 2: All right, The big question I guess is how are

124
00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:39,880
Speaker 2: you projecting the receiving corps?

125
00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,560
Speaker 1: Like who do you? Who do you have? Is like

126
00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:43,480
Speaker 1: how do you rank?

127
00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,480
Speaker 2: I guess the receivers in terms of the target projections

128
00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:46,880
Speaker 2: right now?

129
00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,719
Speaker 1: So I am ranking Ellen Lazard as Aaron Rodgers top

130
00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:56,320
Speaker 1: target this year, which is why I love him. At

131
00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,640
Speaker 1: his ADP of wide receiver forty six, it's creeping up,

132
00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:01,279
Speaker 1: Like I was able to get him outside the top

133
00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,920
Speaker 1: fifty for the past month or so, but it's creeping up.

134
00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:05,920
Speaker 1: But I mean it should be closer to the top forty.

135
00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,080
Speaker 1: So he's He's sort of like the Mike Williams last

136
00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,160
Speaker 1: year where I'm just just hammering him away Adam like

137
00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,080
Speaker 1: in all my drafts. But eventually his ADP is going

138
00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,400
Speaker 1: to catch up. But if you think about it, I mean,

139
00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,040
Speaker 1: he already has chemistry with Aaron Rodgers, you know, a

140
00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:25,040
Speaker 1: rookie like Christian Watson, a free agent like Sammy Watkins,

141
00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:26,720
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to build that chemistry with him. So

142
00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,480
Speaker 1: Blazard has that going fro him. He has ten plus

143
00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:33,080
Speaker 1: touchdown upside this year. You know, he's someone's gonna have

144
00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,760
Speaker 1: to catch touchdowns with DeVante Adams gone. And we have

145
00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,240
Speaker 1: to remember Alan Mozart's only twenty six years old, so

146
00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:43,480
Speaker 1: he's smack dab in the middle of his prime. So

147
00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,160
Speaker 1: he's not the most talented white out, like I'll admit that,

148
00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,600
Speaker 1: but he's just in a good position this year to

149
00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,200
Speaker 1: benefit from Adams leaving. So you know I'm projecting him.

150
00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,080
Speaker 1: He's right now, he's my wife receiver forty. So right

151
00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,600
Speaker 1: now he's the top white out in terms of just

152
00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,080
Speaker 1: draft value. Yeah, I kind.

153
00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:02,920
Speaker 2: Of go back and forth on Lazarre, Like, I certainly

154
00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,120
Speaker 2: see your point. I think he's the most likely guy

155
00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,360
Speaker 2: as of now to be the number one guy. But

156
00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,520
Speaker 2: his targets per route run last year was fourteen percent.

157
00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,440
Speaker 2: It was seventeen percent the two years prior.

158
00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:17,280
Speaker 1: Like, how do you.

159
00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:22,160
Speaker 2: Foresee him kind of dealing with a little more attension,

160
00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:23,720
Speaker 2: because that's what I worry about because he's not.

161
00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:24,680
Speaker 1: A big separator.

162
00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,480
Speaker 2: I think, you know, he's kind of like the dirty

163
00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,160
Speaker 2: work guy who I think he really benefited from Rogers

164
00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,600
Speaker 2: targeting Adams like one side of every three times because

165
00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,840
Speaker 2: it was like everyone else is getting single coverage. So

166
00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:40,199
Speaker 2: like Lazard was getting high quality targets. But now I

167
00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,320
Speaker 2: could see like defenses, especially if he has like a

168
00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,760
Speaker 2: big game or two early on, defense is kind of

169
00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,160
Speaker 2: adjusting quickly to him and making somebody else beat you.

170
00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,240
Speaker 2: So I mean, how do you do you kind of

171
00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,359
Speaker 2: put any stock into that targets.

172
00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:54,560
Speaker 1: Per route runner?

173
00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,280
Speaker 2: You kind of bumping him up into like that twenty

174
00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,120
Speaker 2: plus percent wide receiver one range.

175
00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,840
Speaker 1: No, that's a fair point. And to be honest, his

176
00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,280
Speaker 1: targets per ronos low last year because he was running

177
00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,840
Speaker 1: routes alongside defanday Adams. But like you said, the defenses,

178
00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,360
Speaker 1: you know that he might get off to hot start

179
00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,440
Speaker 1: and defenses might counter that by doubling him or just

180
00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,240
Speaker 1: putting pressure on him. So similar to Mike Williams last year,

181
00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,079
Speaker 1: if he gets off to a hot start, maybe I'll

182
00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:21,280
Speaker 1: consider trading him this time, yeah, because that is possible.

183
00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,800
Speaker 1: Like I will admit that he is sort of a

184
00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,680
Speaker 1: scheme guys, He's not going to really beat people himself. Yeah,

185
00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,040
Speaker 1: but then again, Aaron Rodgers is going to force the issue,

186
00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,600
Speaker 1: so you know he can go either way. But yeah,

187
00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,000
Speaker 1: the more attention he's going to get, he's not going

188
00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,000
Speaker 1: to be able to overcome that through talent alone. So

189
00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,400
Speaker 1: he does rely on the scheme. So that would worry

190
00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,440
Speaker 1: me of like a second half slump if he does

191
00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,120
Speaker 1: get off to hot start. But I think he will

192
00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:45,079
Speaker 1: get off to hot start.

193
00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,320
Speaker 2: And I got one more Lazard question because I want

194
00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,960
Speaker 2: people to kind of, you know, if they're listening to

195
00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,439
Speaker 2: this a little further down to still derive value from it.

196
00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,120
Speaker 2: Right now, he's the most expensive packer wide receiver as

197
00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:01,040
Speaker 2: ADP is wide receiver forty six in half PPR in

198
00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,560
Speaker 2: the Fantasy pros consensus on what is kind of your cap,

199
00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,400
Speaker 2: Like how high would you go in drafting Lazare before

200
00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:09,360
Speaker 2: you're passing.

201
00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:11,920
Speaker 1: Right now, I would say, you know, wide receiver forty two,

202
00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:16,040
Speaker 1: that's about you know, even with my rank. So what

203
00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,240
Speaker 1: it was fun drafting him when he was wide receiver

204
00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,240
Speaker 1: fifty five, And I love getting him in that range

205
00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:21,760
Speaker 1: of the draft because there are a lot of question

206
00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,400
Speaker 1: marks and for somebody that he's not a sexy pick.

207
00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,280
Speaker 1: Like I said, he doesn't have you know, blazing speed

208
00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,360
Speaker 1: or anything like that, so he does have high upside

209
00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,120
Speaker 1: for his lack of talent, I should say, but once

210
00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,440
Speaker 1: you get into the top forty, you know you're going

211
00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,120
Speaker 1: to be having to not take guys with massive talent

212
00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,320
Speaker 1: massive upside as well. So I think forty two would

213
00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,680
Speaker 1: probably be my cap. And like I said, the ADP

214
00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:46,839
Speaker 1: is really catching up, so forty six, you know, a

215
00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:48,920
Speaker 1: lot of that value is kind of gone. But I

216
00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,400
Speaker 1: still think he has that you know, touchdown upside that

217
00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,120
Speaker 1: I do like to get in that range. What about you, like,

218
00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,880
Speaker 1: are you interested in him once he gets inside of

219
00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:58,760
Speaker 1: the top fifty or are you kind of backing off?

220
00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,319
Speaker 2: I think he's I mean, wide receiver forty six is

221
00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,480
Speaker 2: kind of where I have him. I just I so

222
00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,920
Speaker 2: my thing with the projecting the season long outlooks for

223
00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:08,960
Speaker 2: these guys. And obviously we'll talk about the rest of

224
00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,760
Speaker 2: receivers in a second, but it's I think week one,

225
00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,080
Speaker 2: Alan Wizard will probably be in my top forty, maybe

226
00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,160
Speaker 2: even yeah, but I could see by season's end he

227
00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,480
Speaker 2: could be in the sixties or seventies. It's harder to

228
00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,560
Speaker 2: project out with these guys because because you have two

229
00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,320
Speaker 2: young guys and Watson and Romeo due is it Dubes

230
00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,679
Speaker 2: or Dawbs. I don't even know if Dabs Daalbs, Yeah,

231
00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,839
Speaker 2: Romeo Dabs. And then you have Watkins, who's kind of

232
00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:37,920
Speaker 2: a wild card. You still have that the slot guys

233
00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,280
Speaker 2: Cobb and Rogers. So there's a lot of variability to

234
00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,080
Speaker 2: where I don't like I don't want to kind of

235
00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,079
Speaker 2: conflate my early season rank with the full season rank.

236
00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,160
Speaker 2: But I like what you said about maybe he's a

237
00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:52,320
Speaker 2: good kind of trade a cell high guy, you know,

238
00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:53,800
Speaker 2: if he starts off hot.

239
00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,000
Speaker 1: I should have done that with Mike Williams last year.

240
00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:57,120
Speaker 1: Should have done that.

241
00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,200
Speaker 2: But I mean Mike Williams had no reason to regress that,

242
00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,520
Speaker 2: Like he was still justin Herbert and the number two

243
00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,160
Speaker 2: target on the team, Like you know, that was He's

244
00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,239
Speaker 2: just he's just always going to be inconsistent.

245
00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,280
Speaker 1: So if he's going up like that, you know, did

246
00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,200
Speaker 1: I call him the Bitcoin of the NFL? Or was

247
00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,040
Speaker 1: that somebody else? I don't think you. I don't I've

248
00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,440
Speaker 1: heard you say it, but somebody's actually somebody's uh, somebody's

249
00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,760
Speaker 1: like Fancy Valuy was like literally tracking the bitcoin price.

250
00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,200
Speaker 1: I think it was Mike glam So sell them, right,

251
00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:27,360
Speaker 1: I guess.

252
00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,080
Speaker 2: Remember that heater I told you I was going on

253
00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,920
Speaker 2: in betting. My my was the exact opposite. It was

254
00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,240
Speaker 2: like every dollar I made betting, I lost like a

255
00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:40,360
Speaker 2: dollar in crypto. So sounds about right everything, even though yeah,

256
00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,079
Speaker 2: all right, but did you did you want to talk

257
00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:47,160
Speaker 2: about Christian Watson at all? Like going to He's wide

258
00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:52,840
Speaker 2: receiver sixty three? Yeah, and again this isn't This is

259
00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,400
Speaker 2: one where I feel like in week one we might

260
00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,720
Speaker 2: be disappointed. I feel like people that draft him might

261
00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:01,680
Speaker 2: they might come out week one and he might not

262
00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:02,160
Speaker 2: even be in.

263
00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:03,000
Speaker 1: The top three.

264
00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,280
Speaker 2: But by the end of the season, I think he

265
00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,920
Speaker 2: could be the most valuable Packer receiver because I think

266
00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,280
Speaker 2: he has the most talent out of all these guys,

267
00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,720
Speaker 2: and I also think he's a very smart player from

268
00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,800
Speaker 2: everything I hear, so I think he's he's going to

269
00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:19,360
Speaker 2: be able to pick up the offense and kind of,

270
00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:20,800
Speaker 2: you know, you have to kind of be on the

271
00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:24,800
Speaker 2: same page with Rodgers, which takes some time. So I

272
00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:26,880
Speaker 2: don't know if he gets off to a fast start,

273
00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:30,000
Speaker 2: but I love the talent. I think, you know, any

274
00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,680
Speaker 2: if I'm betting on anyone, especially given the price, it's

275
00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:33,840
Speaker 2: probably gonna be Watson.

276
00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,240
Speaker 1: What about you? Yeah, absolutely, I mean you really have

277
00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,559
Speaker 1: nothing to lose in this range. And honestly, I was

278
00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,720
Speaker 1: going to be interested in the first wide receiver selected

279
00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,559
Speaker 1: by the Packers this year anyway, and I was a

280
00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:46,719
Speaker 1: little bit nervous they didn't take anybody in the first round,

281
00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,280
Speaker 1: But when they took Watson early in the second, I

282
00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,280
Speaker 1: thought that was a good move. You know, he has

283
00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,199
Speaker 1: fantastic measurables. Like you said, he's talented. He's way more

284
00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,920
Speaker 1: talented than Ellen Zard. So I could see towards the

285
00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,719
Speaker 1: end of the season once he matures a little bit

286
00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,080
Speaker 1: and you know, gets used to the NFL. That's maybe

287
00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,760
Speaker 1: the one concern I have with them is he's transitioning

288
00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:06,880
Speaker 1: to the NFL from a really small school in North

289
00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,280
Speaker 1: Dakota State, so it might take him a little bit

290
00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,160
Speaker 1: of time to justin the NFL, but once he does,

291
00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,280
Speaker 1: I mean, having a first bout Hall of Famer under

292
00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,680
Speaker 1: center should help. So and maybe Aaron Rodgers wants to

293
00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,040
Speaker 1: force the issue that look, you should have been drafting

294
00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,480
Speaker 1: a rookie wide receiver, you know, in the first couple

295
00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,840
Speaker 1: of rounds this whole time and force the issue with them.

296
00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,920
Speaker 1: But either way, that's the perfect range to take a

297
00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,880
Speaker 1: guy like Watson. So well, I do love Lazard and

298
00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,160
Speaker 1: where he's being drafted, Watson's the other packer receiver I

299
00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:35,760
Speaker 1: want to take a flyer on, whereas, like you know,

300
00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:39,120
Speaker 1: Sammy Watkins is being drafted right around the same range,

301
00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,840
Speaker 1: and obviously he does have some upside if he says healthy.

302
00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:46,080
Speaker 1: But I'm way more interested, you know, like an elite

303
00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:47,440
Speaker 1: talent like Watson.

304
00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and wide receiver sixty three is like you said,

305
00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,360
Speaker 2: it's a great spot to gamble because when you look

306
00:14:55,400 --> 00:15:00,840
Speaker 2: at historically first round running backs and wide receivers usually

307
00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,160
Speaker 2: about just under about half of them are gonna hit

308
00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,320
Speaker 2: in fantasy and kind of provide you with startable value

309
00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,160
Speaker 2: and then when you get to the second round, it

310
00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,960
Speaker 2: drops to about thirty maybe round thirty percent, so maybe

311
00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,520
Speaker 2: one went out of every three or so went out

312
00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,760
Speaker 2: of every four, and Watson, you know, out of He's

313
00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,240
Speaker 2: a second round guy and he's going pretty late. I mean,

314
00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,840
Speaker 2: you know, Aliven, all the first round guys are kind

315
00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:24,840
Speaker 2: of going before him, and in some of the second

316
00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,680
Speaker 2: round guys as well, So I really like the spot

317
00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:31,760
Speaker 2: for him. I think he I think it's a very calculated,

318
00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,640
Speaker 2: high reward gamble where you know you're not really losing

319
00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:37,120
Speaker 2: much if it doesn't work out.

320
00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:43,360
Speaker 1: Sammy Watkins, I mean, he's it's like I want to

321
00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:44,200
Speaker 1: write him off, but.

322
00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,360
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers seems to be talking him up, so I

323
00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,800
Speaker 2: don't want to write him off completely. But he's another

324
00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,200
Speaker 2: guy that I could see him actually being the reverse

325
00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,880
Speaker 2: of Watson, because I think those two guys are the

326
00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,680
Speaker 2: two that might be interchangeable. I think Wizard sticks either

327
00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,280
Speaker 2: way because they love what he does in the run

328
00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,120
Speaker 2: blocking game, and you know, he just does all a

329
00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,080
Speaker 2: dirty work. And then the slot is probably going to

330
00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,440
Speaker 2: be Cobb Rogers. I know Hiszzard can play it, but

331
00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,240
Speaker 2: I think Watson and Watkins are going to kind of

332
00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:11,960
Speaker 2: be competing for the same routes. So I was looking

333
00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,120
Speaker 2: it felt like Watkins had a horrible season last year,

334
00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,400
Speaker 2: But I was looking at his four games before getting hurt,

335
00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,720
Speaker 2: and he averaged four catches for sixty four yards per game,

336
00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:23,680
Speaker 2: twenty percent targets.

337
00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:23,920
Speaker 1: Per route run.

338
00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,840
Speaker 2: Then he got hurt, and then eight he came back,

339
00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,600
Speaker 2: and in the eight games after he came back, he

340
00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,880
Speaker 2: dropped to just twelve percent targets per route runs one

341
00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,840
Speaker 2: point one catches for thirteen yards a game. So clearly

342
00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,880
Speaker 2: the injury kind of hampered him. He couldn't get on

343
00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,480
Speaker 2: the field even with that Ravens receiving corps.

344
00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,720
Speaker 1: But I mean four for sixty four. As long as

345
00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,040
Speaker 1: he's healthy, I think he could still be solid. But

346
00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:50,640
Speaker 1: that's the thing.

347
00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,280
Speaker 2: He's missed four point three games per year since his

348
00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,200
Speaker 2: second year in the league back in twenty fifteen.

349
00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Maybe if you're in a deeper league where

350
00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,640
Speaker 1: you can manage your russer as opposed to a best ball,

351
00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,560
Speaker 1: I'd be interested in Watkins because, yeah, like you said,

352
00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,520
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if he excels in this offense.

353
00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,760
Speaker 1: You could just never bank on his health. So you

354
00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,560
Speaker 1: know we're hearing glowing reports on him. It's like, no shit,

355
00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,760
Speaker 1: he's really good, but just just just throughout his career.

356
00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,240
Speaker 1: Maybe it's his body size or something, but he just

357
00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,320
Speaker 1: can never stay healthy. So this, this wide receiver depth

358
00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,120
Speaker 1: chart reminds me of the Chiefs, were you know, obviously one,

359
00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,359
Speaker 1: maybe two of these guys are going to go off,

360
00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,639
Speaker 1: so I am interested in investing in them. But just

361
00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,600
Speaker 1: the fact that Watson's being drafted right around the same

362
00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,000
Speaker 1: time as as Watkins, it just seems like the smarter

363
00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:41,400
Speaker 1: plays is go at the younger, you know, receiver higher upside.

364
00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,520
Speaker 1: But we can't take everybody on the packers you have

365
00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,080
Speaker 1: you have to pick your spots.

366
00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,480
Speaker 2: Well you actually can in best ball, because I was

367
00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,920
Speaker 2: gonna say one, yeah, no.

368
00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,159
Speaker 1: Like in redraft, I'm not.

369
00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,840
Speaker 2: I don't, like I said, we both don't really we're

370
00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,520
Speaker 2: not like too interested in Aaron Rodgers. But fast ball,

371
00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,080
Speaker 2: the fact that he's down at quarterback ten, I mean,

372
00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,679
Speaker 2: he's lower than he usually is, and his top receiver

373
00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,240
Speaker 2: is forty six is number two and number three are

374
00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,560
Speaker 2: sixty three and sixty seven, and then if if you're

375
00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:14,800
Speaker 2: counting a slot guys, Cobb is one oh seven.

376
00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:16,399
Speaker 1: Rogers has won twenty seven.

377
00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,960
Speaker 2: I mean you can you can pretty much stack all

378
00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:26,040
Speaker 2: of these like the entire receiving corps without much resistance

379
00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,000
Speaker 2: from your fellow drafters at this point, you know. So

380
00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:31,600
Speaker 2: that is the way I would invest in the Packers,

381
00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,680
Speaker 2: especially is best Ball, because I think, yeah, that's that's

382
00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,400
Speaker 2: how you kind of like get the upside.

383
00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,159
Speaker 1: By the discount of draft position. Yeah, exactly, And you

384
00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,560
Speaker 1: know best ball, you're just going for upside. And unfortunately,

385
00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,159
Speaker 1: you know, Rogers at this point in his career, like

386
00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,560
Speaker 1: I said, he doesn't have that same upside that he

387
00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,240
Speaker 1: used to have. But by stacking that's how you kind

388
00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:55,240
Speaker 1: of elevate Rogers, you know, upside for your team specifically.

389
00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:56,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, the fact that you can get these guys

390
00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,399
Speaker 1: super cheap does make it appealing if you're gonna take

391
00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,360
Speaker 1: Rogers to stack them with them.

392
00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like any thoughts on any of the other guys

393
00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:08,240
Speaker 2: I know, like Cobb, Rogers, and Romeo Dowbs are all

394
00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,720
Speaker 2: going outside the top one hundred, I do think Cobb

395
00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,720
Speaker 2: or Rogers will be that's starting a spot receiver like

396
00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:17,840
Speaker 2: all year, Like I think one of those two, like

397
00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,480
Speaker 2: they're probably not gonna go big with Lazard in the slot.

398
00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:25,439
Speaker 2: Unless they really have to, like Wes Watkins, Yeah, or

399
00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,200
Speaker 2: Watson and Wes Watkins stays healthy and or Watson takes

400
00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:28,840
Speaker 2: off really early.

401
00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:33,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's it's tough because between like Cobbs, Cobb, Rogers

402
00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,120
Speaker 1: and Dobbs, Jesus, that's a tongue twister. I mean, they're

403
00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,440
Speaker 1: gonna be kind of competing with each other. So that's

404
00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,960
Speaker 1: that's a tough call. And I liked Rogers heading into

405
00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,359
Speaker 1: Amar Rodgers that is heading into last year. He's a

406
00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,639
Speaker 1: third round prospect, could be a good slot receiver. But

407
00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,159
Speaker 1: you know, Randall Cobb's there, and Aaron Rodgers loves Randall Cobbs,

408
00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,639
Speaker 1: So I'm probably avoiding those guys. They don't really have

409
00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:57,600
Speaker 1: the upside as the other free we talked about, you know, Lazard, Watson, Watkins,

410
00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,240
Speaker 1: So I'm staying away from those guys. This is guys

411
00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,320
Speaker 1: as a monitor in season if there is an injury

412
00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,439
Speaker 1: to one of the top three, but they're kind of

413
00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,760
Speaker 1: competing with each other. I was moving on to the

414
00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:07,399
Speaker 1: tight ends.

415
00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:11,080
Speaker 2: Robert Tunyan is actually being drafted as the tight end fifteen,

416
00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,479
Speaker 2: which seems high for a guy who's coming off a

417
00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:18,800
Speaker 2: serious injury to his knee. And signed a one year

418
00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,680
Speaker 2: deal one million guaranteed, and from the reports I'm hearing

419
00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,320
Speaker 2: out of camp, he may not be ready by the

420
00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,679
Speaker 2: start of the season. Remember, he got hurt in the

421
00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,439
Speaker 2: middle of last year, so to kind of come a

422
00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:34,919
Speaker 2: year would be kind of around mid season. And you know,

423
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,679
Speaker 2: even if it was like a forty nine to fifty

424
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,560
Speaker 2: week recovery, he would still miss a month or so,

425
00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,920
Speaker 2: so he could be a pup candidate to start the year.

426
00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,159
Speaker 2: So tight end fifteen seems a little rich for Tonyon,

427
00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,520
Speaker 2: especially since he wasn't really good last year anyway.

428
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,600
Speaker 1: But what do you think of Tuny in here? Yeah,

429
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,080
Speaker 1: tight end fifteen does seem a bit rich. I mean,

430
00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:58,760
Speaker 1: he does have double digit touchdown upside with DeVante Adams gone,

431
00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,000
Speaker 1: but like you said, he might not even be ready

432
00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,240
Speaker 1: for week one. So in that range, I don't really

433
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,960
Speaker 1: want to target a guy who's his touchdown dependent. The

434
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,440
Speaker 1: whole tight end position general is getting a lot better

435
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 1: in the NFL, so you're you get guys like Cole

436
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 1: Kamet who doesn't have any touchdown upside, Joku Tyler Higbee.

437
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,159
Speaker 1: I'd rather take guys like that. Guys with upside, we

438
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:21,919
Speaker 1: can get you a ton of you know, catches and

439
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 1: yards in any given week and might score some touchdowns.

440
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,239
Speaker 1: But with Tanyan, he just seems like he's he's going

441
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 1: to be purely dependent on touchdowns. Like you said, he

442
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,119
Speaker 1: did struggle last year. You know, even though Devanta Adams

443
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,439
Speaker 1: was you know, the target hog, Tunyan wasn't great. So

444
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,359
Speaker 1: especially coming back from an acl or he might not

445
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 1: be ready. I'm completely off of at tight end fifteen.

446
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, and with these kind of players, I think, you know,

447
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago that was the time to

448
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 2: get on Tonyan where we kind of joked about it,

449
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 2: you know, both Jace Sternberger.

450
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, whoever the hell ends up being the starting tight end.

451
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 1: We thought it would be Sternberger, me and Freeman anyway,

452
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 1: and ended up being Tenian. But the point remains the same.

453
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 1: Just you know, you want the guy that Rogers is

454
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,440
Speaker 1: gonna be targeting heavily in the red zone.

455
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was two years ago. He was twenty,

456
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 2: that was his age twenty six season. He's a guy

457
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 2: that was undrafted. Now he's gonna be twenty eight and

458
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,919
Speaker 2: coming off a serious knee injury after sucking the year before.

459
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 1: Like you know what, I mean.

460
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 2: Like it's I think that ship has sailed, and I

461
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 2: know they have Marcedes wu was still playing at a

462
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 2: high level at least blocking wise. They like Deguara, So

463
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 2: I just think that it's gonna be a committee approach.

464
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 2: I don't I don't think you want any Packers tight

465
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:34,399
Speaker 2: end this year, but you do want Packer running backs.

466
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 2: Aaron Jones, AJ Dillon Jones going RB twelve in ADP

467
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 2: Dylan RB twenty six. How are you kind of projecting

468
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,399
Speaker 2: the workload for Aaron Jones because RB twelve, you know

469
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,639
Speaker 2: that's that's an RB one here, but his he you know,

470
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 2: him and Dylan were pretty neck and neck as the

471
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,120
Speaker 2: season we're on last year.

472
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's hard to get too excited about Aaron

473
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 1: Jones right now? Are we twelve? Because right now I

474
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 1: have AJ Dillon getting just as many carries as Jones,

475
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,439
Speaker 1: And I think where Jones' upside is certainly is in

476
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 1: the passing game. Because we've been talking about the receivers.

477
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 1: It's kind of a shit show right now without DeVante Adams,

478
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: and Aaron Jones is a really good pass catching back.

479
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 1: I mean, they can line him up as a receiver

480
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 1: if they have to, so he does have that upside,

481
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 1: but this is going to be a pretty much split

482
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 1: back committee, but they should run a lot more this year.

483
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,199
Speaker 1: We've already talked about that. So I just don't like

484
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 1: spending up for a guy who's really in a two

485
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 1: way running back committee. So I'm going to be more

486
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: interested in investing AJ Dillon a bit later on.

487
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of how I'm looking at it, although

488
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 2: I do think Jones kind of reminds me of Nick Chubb,

489
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 2: but it'll be like very efficient in somewhat of an

490
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,199
Speaker 2: uncomfortable committee for as high as he's going. But I

491
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 2: think the floor is still pretty high because, like you said,

492
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 2: I think Aaron Jones has a chance to catch like

493
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,199
Speaker 2: five balls per game this year. Like last year he

494
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 2: was at three point five, but his carries went from

495
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 2: fourteen point four and twenty twenty to eleven point four

496
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 2: last year, So you know, he for RB twelve, you're

497
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,479
Speaker 2: paying for a guy who's getting fifteen touches per game

498
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 2: last year. It's kind of low, but I actually think

499
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 2: the carries stay the same ten eleven twelve, But I

500
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,479
Speaker 2: think he could catch a lot more balls and and

501
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 2: be very efficient doing so, and it kind of be

502
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 2: the beneficiary of some of those vacated DeVante Adams touchdowns.

503
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 1: So I'm not.

504
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 2: Running out to draft Aaron Jones, but I'm not writing

505
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 2: him off either. He had a very good season last

506
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 2: year at eight. They love him, Aaron Rodgers loves him,

507
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 2: and I mean he's pretty much got to be the

508
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 2: offensive centerpieces. So you know, it's just it's not as

509
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 2: sexy as it was, But I don't mind it. But Dylan,

510
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 2: I think even with Aaron Jones, you know, potentially putting

511
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 2: up RB one number, I think Dylan still could beat

512
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 2: his RB twenty six ADP you mentioned, you know, kind

513
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 2: of them splitting carries pretty even. He had eleven carries

514
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 2: per game last year and two receptions, so that's thirteen

515
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 2: touches per game in the Green Bay offense that really

516
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 2: doesn't have a standout at wide receiver or tight end anymore.

517
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 1: I'm not a post.

518
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 2: He's kind of like like Kareem Hunt was, you know

519
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 2: the last few years, where you just kind of you

520
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 2: take him and if Jones goes down, you get a

521
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 2: surefire RB one, but if not, he still could beat

522
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 2: his ADP.

523
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I was gonna says, he's my favorite

524
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 1: type of running back to invest in in the middle round,

525
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 1: similar to Kareem Hunt, where he's the tail end, the

526
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 1: tail cheaper end of a running back by committee. And

527
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: he's probably gonna beat his ADP just by being healthy.

528
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 1: Like even if Aaron Jones were to play all seventeen games,

529
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: like I think he could beat RB twenty six. So

530
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 1: the fact that he's are going to beat that gives

531
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 1: him a high floor. And then, like you said, if

532
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones misses any time, I mean, AJ Dillon's going

533
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: to be a slammed dunk RB one I think in

534
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 1: my weekly ranking. So he just has that injury upside

535
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 1: as well. So that's that's my favorite type of running

536
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: backs invest in. Yeah, and he does have some pass

537
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 1: catching upside. I mean there was four games last year

538
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 1: where he had four more receptions. I mean he kind

539
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: of looks and runs sort of like a Nick Chubb

540
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry type, but he does have pass catching upside.

541
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: So I love his upside. And we have to remember

542
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: that the Packers were without David Bachtiari for like all

543
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 1: of last season, right, so he's gonna be back this year.

544
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 1: The running game itself is something I want to invest in.

545
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: I think the best way to do at is through

546
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 1: aj Dillon. Yeah, and I mean if the offensive line

547
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: can get healthy.

548
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 2: I know, Battiari, you know some question mark, Elton Jenkins,

549
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 2: some question marks.

550
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 1: But PFF actually has the Packers' OH line rank number five.

551
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: So that's another underrated aspect.

552
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 2: Like you know, you have Rogers to kind of move

553
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 2: the offense, even if it's not going to be as

554
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: pretty as it was with Adams.

555
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: You have a pretty solid old line. You have a

556
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: defense that.

557
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 2: Should get you, you know, keep you in positive time

558
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 2: of possession. So I think it's going to be a

559
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 2: very lucrative offense for running backs. I mean, these two

560
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 2: guys Jones are doing. Those are the offensive centerpieces this

561
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 2: year like that, Like that's really you know, we could

562
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 2: argue about which receiver to take all day, but the

563
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 2: bottom line is Matt Lafleur. I'm sure he's sitting there

564
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 2: just you know, right now, figuring out ways to get Jones.

565
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: And doing the ball. Yep. All right, So sleeper one

566
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: of Packers I would have to go. If Ellen Wizard still,

567
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 1: I guess you could throw Christian Watson in there. I

568
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: just think just getting potentially Aaron Rodgers number one target

569
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: right around the you know, ADP wide receiver fifty. It's

570
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: just too good to pass up. So, you know, Ellen Wizard,

571
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 1: I've said, I have a ton of shares so far.

572
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: His ADP is catching up, but I still think he's

573
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 1: worth it. ADP wide receiver forty six. Yeah, I'll go Watson.

574
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 2: I think, you know, just you want to take stabs

575
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 2: at those rounds one and two skilled players, wide receivers,

576
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 2: running backs, and Watson fits the mold. He could end

577
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: the year as the number one, and he's got a

578
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 2: lot of talent, and they traded up for him, so

579
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 2: you know, they you know, I think could be maybe

580
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 2: a mon Ross Saint Brown kind of situation, maybe a

581
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 2: slow start, but I think there's gonna be a point

582
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 2: in this year where you're gonna really benefit from having

583
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,479
Speaker 2: Watson on a roster. And I'll throw Dylan in there

584
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 2: as a sleeper just because, like you said, I mean,

585
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 2: this guy's one Aaron Jones injury away from going completely off.

586
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, Watson and Dylan for me. What about busts.

587
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: I have to go with Robert Tanyan just based on

588
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: his ADP. I mean, He's being drafted as a high

589
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: end tight end two where yeah, obviously has touch on upside,

590
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: but he might he might not be ready for week one,

591
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: the weeks where he doesn't square a touchdown. What's he

592
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: going to provide you three catches for thirty yards? No,

593
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: thank you. I'd rather take chances on, you know, other

594
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: guys in that range.

595
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 2: It seems like a weird year where I feel like

596
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 2: nobody's really properly discounting the potential missed games for a

597
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: lot of different players in ADP, like Tanyan is one

598
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 2: of them, Michael Thomas, Chris Godwin, even DeAndre Hopkins, who's yeah,

599
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 2: got the suspension is going too high. I just feel like,

600
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's because it's early still or what,

601
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 2: but it just seems odd to me that so many

602
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 2: players that are gonna, you know, have a likelihood of

603
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 2: missing time or are not really getting properly discounted at

604
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 2: this point.

605
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: So, and I guess this is a good time. Someone

606
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: asked us on Twitter, it's a good question just about

607
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: ADP in general, and just it's so rough this time

608
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,719
Speaker 1: of year because every site has a different ADP, so

609
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: we're just giving a rough estimate. At the end of

610
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: the day, we're drafting based on our ranking, so the

611
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: ADP can change, but ultimately we're just trying to give

612
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: you a good idea of at the current ADP that

613
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: we're using if we were drafting or not. But we're

614
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: aware that other sites it's gonna be completed different.

615
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 2: All right, let's jump to the Minnesota Vikings who moved

616
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 2: on from Mike Zimmer at head coach. So got Kevin

617
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 2: O'Connell coming in. I think that's gonna be I think

618
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 2: that's good news for the offense. You know, that's an

619
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: Vikings have never really had a no offensive minded head

620
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: coach in a while because Mike Zimmer's been there.

621
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: You know, he's defense first.

622
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 2: So Kirk Cousins QB fifteen, you know, maybe you get

623
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 2: some streamer value out of him to start the year

624
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 2: Green Bay at Philly and then Detroit in the first

625
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 2: three games.

626
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: You know, if you're looking.

627
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 2: For a guy to kind of pick up, you know, yeah,

628
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 2: I think that's a solid guy. But any any thoughts

629
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 2: on Cousins in year one in this.

630
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: New offense, Yeah, I think I think it's a huge

631
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: positive sign for him and just everybody else. In the offense.

632
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: You know, they're going from a defensive minded, lean on

633
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: the run game type of head coach to a innovative

634
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: Sean McVay disciple. So there's a ton of fans potentially here.

635
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: That's why I'm repping the Viking's hat today and Kirk Cousins,

636
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: you know, QB fifteen not gonna lie that's that's probably

637
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: where he should go. But like we said earlier in basketball,

638
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: he has a ton of stacking options, So I think

639
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: you know, targeting him and best ball in that range

640
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: and stacking him with some of the receivers and tight

641
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: end potentially that we're going to talk about, is he

642
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: has a high ceiling this year, Like this offense could

643
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: be a lot different this year. They could be a

644
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: lot more pass heavy, more eleven personnel. So I'm very

645
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: interested in Kirk Cousins at QB fifteen.

646
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's averaging thirty four touchdowns and ten interceptions over

647
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 2: the past two years and now, uh, you know, he's

648
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 2: getting O'Connell, who I think it was a really good

649
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 2: sign that last year they get Matthew Stafford bring him in,

650
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 2: and because O'Connor was the offensive coordinator in LA obviously

651
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 2: McVeigh is, that's mcvay's offense. But O'Connor was kind of

652
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 2: a student of his, and you know O'Connell helped Stafford

653
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 2: to kind of come in and not miss a beat,

654
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 2: and we know how that ended in staff put up

655
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: a pretty solid fantasy season. I think given the weapon,

656
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 2: I say weapon, it's really weapons because Steevens, I don't

657
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: think he's washed yet, but like just having justin Jefferson

658
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 2: is is a positive.

659
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: Thing for a quarterback.

660
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: I think Kirk Cousins could give you like a Matthew

661
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 2: Stafford like season where you know he ends up creeping

662
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: into that you know, top eleven, top ten because Cousins

663
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 2: finished one spot behind Stafford and in points per game

664
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: last year in terms of UH he finished QB twelve

665
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 2: and Stafford was QB eleven. So now he's going at

666
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 2: QB fifteen. I think there's gonna be a lot of

667
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 2: weeks when Kirk Cousins is gonna he's gonna be in

668
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 2: that in that top ten.

669
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. I mean he he already has a you know,

670
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: high floor. He's a pocket passer, so he doesn't have

671
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: you know, a massive ceiling like he's probably not gonna

672
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: lead the league in scoring, but you know, just in

673
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: two QB leagues getting him there, that's that's really valuable

674
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: because if he's your second quarterback, like you said, I

675
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: think he does have that Stafford kind of upside, which

676
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: is still very, very valuable. So I just love where

677
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: he's going, just in terms of my draft strategy.

678
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Matt Stafford second in the league with forty one

679
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 2: touchdown passes last year.

680
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: Outside shot.

681
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins has no less than thirty three in each

682
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 2: of the last two years.

683
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: Outside shot.

684
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 2: If Deven has another one of those massive red zone

685
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: type years where he could put up that kind of number.

686
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson, I think we talked about him on the

687
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,959
Speaker 2: NFC West Pods with Cooper Cup saying, you know, if

688
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 2: there's anyone who's going to kind of challenge Cup, but

689
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 2: at number one wide receiver spot is probably going to

690
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 2: be Jefferson fourteen hundred yards year one, one thy six

691
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 2: hundred and sixteen. Last year, the touchdowns went from seven

692
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 2: to ten, the targets per game went from seven point

693
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: eight to nine point eight.

694
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: I mean, what, there's nothing not to like about Justin Jeffers.

695
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: There isn't I would also add that Jamar Chase will

696
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: probably give Cooper Cup a run for his money as well.

697
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: I just think getting either Justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase

698
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: I have cent tied in my rankings. Getting either one

699
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: of those guys in the middle of round one would

700
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: probably be like part of my perfect draft strategy. If

701
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: you can get a mid round pick or a mid

702
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: you know, picks five through eight, let's say, and you're

703
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: able to get either one of these guys, I'd be

704
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 1: very happy with that start.

705
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again, just like you know, you kind of

706
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 2: translate the O'Connell bringing in Stafford O'Connell is also there

707
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: when Cooper Cup put up that season last year, So

708
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 2: I just like it. I know, you know, obviously might

709
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 2: have to learn a little bit of a of a

710
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 2: new offense, so that could be a detriment. But Jefferson's

711
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 2: just so talented. Yeah, when you put up over sixteen

712
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 2: hundred a year two and you've never put up lower

713
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 2: than fourteen hundred in your career, I mean, yeah, I

714
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 2: think a Cup season is within the range of outcomes

715
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: for this year. Deeling is a little tougher, I think

716
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 2: because I think I don't think anybody wants to really

717
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 2: draft him, like I feel like, I feel like every

718
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 2: year people are just waiting for him to kind of

719
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 2: drop off a cliff, and his yard efficiency wise, it

720
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 2: has been yards for targets dropped from nine to twenty

721
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,919
Speaker 2: eighteen eight point seven, eight point six, seven point six

722
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 2: last year, but he averages over half a touchdown per

723
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,439
Speaker 2: game each of the last four years, and he's over

724
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: fifty percent red zone touchdown conversion rate each of the

725
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 2: last three years. So that's that's what usually regresses. So

726
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 2: I'm curious is to where or how you're kind of

727
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 2: projecting than this year.

728
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, he's going to be turning thirty two,

729
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: so he's definitely in the decline phase of his career.

730
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: But like you said, he's not washed quite yet. And

731
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: you know, in his prime, he was more of a

732
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: ninety to one hundred touch kind of guy with maybe

733
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: five to six touchdowns, So he's kind of morphed into

734
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: a lower volume, but you know, high value targets in

735
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: the red zone. So I think we can bank on

736
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: him being more of a touchdown white out than we

737
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: have in the past. So I'm fackoring that my model.

738
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: But obviously He's probably not going to put up fourteen

739
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: touchdowns like he did a couple of seasons ago, but

740
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: ten plus are certainly in the range of possibilities. So

741
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: I kind of like him, you know, in the wide

742
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: receiver twenty nine range. You know, he's gonna have spike weeks,

743
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: the weeks where he doesn't score touchdown. Maybe he's not

744
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: going to get you the six catches for eighty yards

745
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: like we would hope, but in that range, like he

746
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: does have bankable touch on upside. So this if you

747
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: believe in the scheme helping the white outs and tight

748
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: ends in the passing game in general, I think Feeling's

749
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: a good investment, and he's he's adapted his game at

750
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: this point in his career. So that's why I think

751
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: at thirty two, he's probably got one, maybe two good

752
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: seasons left in him.

753
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he I have no problem taking him

754
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: there because he's just a very good player.

755
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think the scheme would be good.

756
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: I'm bullish on cousins and you know it don't. So

757
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 2: it only makes sense that that the one would have

758
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 2: another good year. He was, you know, top fifteen and

759
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 2: half PPR points per game last year even with you know,

760
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 2: kind of the efficiency painting a little bit obviously because

761
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 2: of the touchdown. So, but you're kind of paying for that,

762
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 2: like top fifteen and you're you're getting hm a wide

763
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 2: receiver twenty nine, so you're kind of that touchdown regression

764
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 2: is kind of factored in.

765
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, at his ADP. Yeah, how many touchdowns are you

766
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: projecting him for? I'm just curious? Ah, up, I think

767
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: around eight? Yeah, my eight. Yeah, we're not going crazy.

768
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: We're obviously factoring that in and he's still wide receiver

769
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: twenty three for me. So, but he does have double

770
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: digit touching on upside yep. kJ Osborne, what do you

771
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: think of him?

772
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 2: I know some some some of the beat reporters out

773
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 2: of Minnesota think he could take another step forward. He

774
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 2: ran around on seventy seven percent of the dropbacks last year.

775
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 2: But O'Connor's offense is primarily a three wide receiver offense.

776
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 2: It looks like it's gonna because the Vikings really don't

777
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 2: have a ton of tight ends on the roster, which

778
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 2: I think they only have five in camp, which usually

779
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 2: if you don't have six, that usually tells me that

780
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 2: like you're going to be more of a crude, like

781
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 2: three wide kind of offense, because if you have six,

782
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 2: then you know first team has two seconds. That's the

783
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 2: thirteen that f two. So you can practice, but sometimes

784
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: you know teams will less. I kind of raise my

785
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 2: eyebrows a little. So I think the Vikings are one

786
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 2: of those teams. So what do you think of Osborne? Yeah,

787
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 2: I mean he was a nice surprise last year. We

788
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 2: sort of pegged him early on, and you know, he's

789
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 2: one of the guys. I think it's going to get

790
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 2: the biggest boost going to this offense, this scheme because

791
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: I think they will run more eleven personnel. And like

792
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 2: you said, his routes run rate was run seventy percent

793
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 2: last year. But if he can get over ninety percent,

794
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 2: Like if you know I'm projecting the rams, you have

795
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 2: three receivers getting over ninety percent, I mean he's going

796
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 2: to be wide receiver four range. I think in weeks

797
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: thirteen through eighteen last year he was wide wide receiver

798
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 2: sixteen and that's when he was running over ninety percent

799
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 2: of routes run a game.

800
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: That's because Adam Telan was out. But if he can

801
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: get that kind of usage when everyone's healthy, you know,

802
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: wide receiver seventy eight. He's going to be a value

803
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 1: there and then he he has that baked in injury

804
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: upside if Feeling or Jefferson were to go down. So

805
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: I love him as a value in this range. Yeah.

806
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 2: And if you're you know, if you are a little

807
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 2: worried about Theeling falling off, I think you know, Osborne's

808
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 2: a free essentially free, like you said, Why receiver seventy eighth,

809
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 2: So and he could get he could get that kind

810
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 2: of Van Jefferson usage, like where it was like woods

811
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 2: Cup and Jefferson and then up. Yeah, and then you

812
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 2: know it's like different player, different type of player. Right,

813
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 2: actually helps Osborne because he's gonna be he would be

814
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 2: running ninety percent of routes and we would be targeted

815
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 2: a little more because he's not just running wind sprints

816
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 2: out there. He's gonna do some more things short and

817
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 2: intermediate as well. So and he proved he could score touchdowns,

818
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 2: had seven scores last year. So yeah, I like Osborne

819
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 2: at Why Receivers seventy and not a sexy one, but

820
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 2: one of those kind of things, you know, kind of

821
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 2: it could fortify the back end of your roster, especially

822
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 2: in the deeper league IRV Smith tight end twenty one

823
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 2: coming back you know missed last year.

824
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: I think he could actually beat this ADP too.

825
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 2: I mean if it's if it's not Osborne, it could

826
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,959
Speaker 2: be Smith, and it could be both because remember Tyler

827
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 2: Higbee also turned into like a eighty ninety percent routes

828
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 2: to run guy. Uh, you know for O'Connor last year

829
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 2: without like a second guy. And if you look at

830
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,280
Speaker 2: the depth trot again, only five tight ends in camp

831
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 2: and behind Erv Smith Junior is Ben Ellisson, John Munt

832
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 2: who early blocks Zack Davidson, and seventh rounder Nick Muse.

833
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: So lovely, this could be like an eighty six.

834
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 2: Percent routes run per dropback week in week out for

835
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 2: earth Smith Junior.

836
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, you said he might be able to beat his

837
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: tight end twenty one ADP. Hell, yeah, he can hit

838
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: that AP. And you know I loved him heading into

839
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. It was so sad. It was such

840
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 1: a depressing day when he we had his season ning injury.

841
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: You know, it's a tormentiscus. It happened before the season,

842
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: so he appears to be one hundred percent ready to

843
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: go right now, and they they got rid of Tyler Conklin.

844
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: So like you said, he has zero competition at tight end,

845
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: I expect them to be running around over eighty percent

846
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: at a time and McVeigh like offense, So yeah, sign

847
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: me up for him at tight end twenty one. I

848
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: loved him heading into last year and I love him

849
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: heading into this year. He has so much talent, so

850
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: much upside, and the depth chart is white open for

851
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: him to just tear it up this year. So yeah,

852
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: give give me all the earth smash shares at tight

853
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: End twenty one. Yeah.

854
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 2: And it's it's like, you know, for people that you

855
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 2: know maybe are newer, you know, or less advanced, like

856
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 2: routes run for tight end is so important because there's

857
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 2: only a few tight ends that are truly special in

858
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 2: terms of talent, and they're getting routes anyway, you know,

859
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 2: andrews Kelsey, everyone else is gonna come down to who

860
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 2: can run a route on let's say, seventy five eighty

861
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 2: percent of the dropbacks versus you know, fifty five to

862
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,280
Speaker 2: sixty five percent of the dropbacks.

863
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 1: And I think.

864
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 2: Smith has that upside just looking at the breakdowns of

865
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 2: the routes in previous O'Connell offenses, usually it's three wide,

866
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,240
Speaker 2: there's one tight end, uh not the titand's not blocking

867
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 2: a ton. So yeah, that I mean IRV Smith can

868
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 2: be like a Poorman's like TJ. Hockinson or a poor

869
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 2: man's get sicky or you know somebody like that. It's

870
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 2: going to go you know rounds earlier then.

871
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we have to remember throughout his career,

872
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: his early career, he had to compete with Kyle Rudolph. Yeah,

873
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: and there was a brief stretch for Rudolph that's like

874
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: four games and earth Smith was a top five tight end.

875
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: So we've only seen brief glimpses of him without competition

876
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: at tight end. He's been really, really good. So that's

877
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 1: why I'm excited for him finally, hopefully this year to

878
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 1: break out.

879
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this division in general, I find that

880
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 2: I think there's it's just an undervalued division. Obviously we'll

881
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 2: get to do it great in Chicago, but I feel

882
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 2: like this division, almost every heart is a lot harder

883
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 2: to find, and almost every player I'm like, yeah, I

884
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 2: like this guy at ADP Yeah, which is like the

885
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 2: exact opposite of some of the others. But yeah, I

886
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 2: think I think by Erth Smith at tight end twenty one.

887
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 2: If wait on tight end, he's a great like I

888
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 2: don't know what it is, a zero tight ended thing.

889
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's the thing, but whatever you

890
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 2: call it. If you're gonna wait to be the last

891
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 2: person to take a tight end and maybe you're gonna

892
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 2: double up or you're just you know, you need a

893
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 2: second guy for best ball like Arv Smith absolutely could

894
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:12,919
Speaker 2: end up as a as a T one this year.

895
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 2: Dalvin Cook going RB four, I think he's a guy

896
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 2: that The only thing with RB four for me and

897
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 2: Dalvin Cook is I still think you take.

898
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: McCaffrey over Dalvin Cook. You know.

899
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not how ADP is right now, but that's

900
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 2: the only that's my only nitpick with Dalvin Cook. Besides that,

901
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 2: I think I think the ADP is pretty much spot on.

902
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: What about you, Yeah, there's there's nothing really a nitpick

903
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: with Dalvin Cook. I mean, he's elite when healthy, but

904
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 1: he's never played more than fourteen games in the season,

905
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: so he is a little injury prone. You know, he

906
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: turns twenty seven this year, so probably has one more

907
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: elite season left in him. I think he's gonna be

908
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: really good. In the scheme, They've talked about using him

909
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: way more as a pass catching back. I think they're

910
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: lining up at receiver some some of the plays, so

911
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: I think that's going to really elevate his upside. But yeah,

912
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: you can't really fault anybody that takes Dalvin Cook. But yeah,

913
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: give me Christian McCaffery ahead of him. It's crazy that

914
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 1: his ADP's ahead of him. But yeah, Like, there's nothing

915
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: bad to say about Dalvin Cook other than maybe you

916
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 1: know his his He has one of the best handcuffs

917
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: in the league in Alexander Madison. So the past few seasons,

918
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: I haven't drafted Dalvin Cook. I've had Alexander Madison and

919
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: that's paid off. But at the end of the day,

920
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook is elite and we're probably gonna get one more,

921
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: really really good season of him.

922
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we like the offense, you know we have,

923
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: so offensive line is kind of average. But yeah, I

924
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 2: can't this is not wrong with Gettingdalvin Cook as your

925
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 2: your first round pick.

926
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: Oh and I will say just sorry real quick with

927
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook. I forgot to mention, but he had a

928
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: really bad touchdown walk last year. He only scored three

929
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: touchdowns on fifteen rush attempts inside the five. Normally you'd

930
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: expect around six and a half touchdowns maybe, you know,

931
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: running back the Calber Cook closer to seven eight touchdowns.

932
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: So he was three point three below expectations last year, So,

933
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: which is the most of anybody in my model. So

934
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: we should see some touchdown positive touchdown regression this year

935
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: from him. So there's a lot of things to like

936
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:12,479
Speaker 1: with Dalvin Cook.

937
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the year before, the two years prior, he

938
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: scored thirty combined touchdowns in the same amount of games,

939
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 2: give or take, you know, and even the year twenty

940
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 2: twenty when you know Demon scored fourteen and Jefferson was

941
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 2: going crazy. Cook had seventeen touchdowns on that twenty twenty campaign.

942
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 2: So's he's got that kind of upside. Yeah, Madison RB

943
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 2: thirty six. I mean, I'm guessing you like him there too.

944
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: Then, well, I was going to say, like we've been

945
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: able to get him. I want to say, like outside

946
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: of the top forty five the past couple of seasons,

947
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: and let's face it, I mean, he's a true handcuff.

948
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: He's not going to offer any value as long as

949
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook is healthy. So unfortunately, you know, maybe going

950
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: to get a couple games of let's face it, like

951
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: when Dalvin Cook is out, sometimes I have Alexander Madison

952
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: ranked higher than I would have had Dalvin Cook just

953
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: because there's no competition. When Dalvin cooks out, it's just

954
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: Madison's getting every single touch. So he sometimes he's a

955
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: top three option, so he has the highest injury upside

956
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: of any backup running back. But unfortunately, you know, we

957
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 1: can't even bank on him getting more than a couple

958
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,479
Speaker 1: of games any given season. So just RB thirty six,

959
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: you're still seeing guys that have the potential to be

960
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,919
Speaker 1: a bellcow back in that range. So RB thirty six

961
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: seems pretty rich. And I love stashing, you know, backup

962
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: running backs try to you know, hit on the upside,

963
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: but just this range seems a little bit too rich

964
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:37,959
Speaker 1: for me this year.

965
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would take him as long as he drops

966
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 2: past that, I think. Yeah, then you're talking about an

967
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 2: RB four versus offentially an RB three, right, So I

968
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 2: don't mind it, just because you know, it's kind of

969
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 2: an anti fragile thing where you know, somebody's gonna draft

970
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 2: Dalvin Cook in the top five rightly, and then you know,

971
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: he's never played more than fourteen games. Madison's gone completely

972
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 2: Like last year he had a thirty two touch one

973
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy one yard game, a thirty two touch

974
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty three yard game, a twenty five

975
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: touch one hundred twenty four yard game. So like, yeah,

976
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 2: you know, that's I'm willing to pay that for my

977
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 2: running back for just you know, yeah, that's that's a

978
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 2: good point.

979
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 1: If he's your running back four, absolutely, But if you're

980
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: doing like a zero RB approach and he's your RB two,

981
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: that's a bit dicey. I think in this range you

982
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: definitely want a guy like Kaream Hunt or like you know,

983
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: like a Cordo Patterson is going around this range. You

984
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: just need somebody to get points. But like you said, like,

985
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 1: if he's your RB four, absolutely, like he's amazing to have,

986
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: like as you're you know, on your bench or in

987
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: best ball something like that. But just I would not

988
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: want him to be my RB two, that's for sure.

989
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: All right, Sleeper, we got oh for man, Like everybody,

990
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,320
Speaker 1: I just love everybody in this offense. I would go

991
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: with IRV Smith just based on ADP and KG Osborne.

992
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: I mean he has probably the highest four of anybody

993
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: in that wide receiver eighty range, and he has a

994
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: high ceiling, So it's it's such a tie between those

995
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: two guys.

996
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, same same here. What about any any busts, No,

997
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 2: one like Like you said this, this whole division is great.

998
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:25,720
Speaker 2: I feel like everybody's affordable ADP and maybe Alexander Madison

999
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 2: just because you can't guarantee that he's going to have

1000
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 2: those spiked weeks.

1001
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: It does require a Dalvin Cook injury. So yeah, maybe

1002
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: just based on ADP, Madison is the most expensive, but

1003
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: certainly in certain situations, like he's gonna be worth it

1004
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: because he has top five upside when Cook does this time.

1005
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: So I mean, I hate to say it, but it's

1006
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: probably Madison. I was going to Detroit.

1007
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but I feel like Detroit's

1008
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 2: gonna be a pretty competent offense this year.

1009
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: And I don't know if people kind of realize it.

1010
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, because I thought I was gonna

1011
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: have to defend myself by saying that same thing. No,

1012
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: I mean, so they have. I mean, you can tell

1013
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: me what you like.

1014
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 2: About him, but for me, it's you know, they have

1015
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 2: an offensive line went healthy. PFF ranks them number three

1016
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: heading into the year. Decker Jackson ragnow by tie and sewell,

1017
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 2: that's that's a that's one. You know everyone across that line.

1018
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 2: You can't really poke any holes in that. And they

1019
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 2: have a mon Ross Saint Brown entering year two. DJ

1020
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 2: Chark is an upgrade on Reynolds and those those guys

1021
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 2: are just going to be biding time until Jamison Williams

1022
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 2: and a very talented guy gets back.

1023
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: And then you still have Hawkinson coming back.

1024
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 2: You have DeAndre Swift who now gets a good old

1025
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 2: line because last year they ranked twentieth in run blocking

1026
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 2: because everyone was hurt and said, you have a quality

1027
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 2: back with Jamal Williams, and Jared Goff has kind of

1028
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 2: shown us that he could be competent when he has

1029
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 2: protection and weapons.

1030
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was going to say the only problem of

1031
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: the offense is probably the quarterback, but everywhere else is loaded.

1032
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 1: So I hate to say it, but you know, Jared

1033
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: Goff QB twenty seven seems like a good price because

1034
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: he's he's probably the only he's the last quarterback where

1035
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: you can draft where you can safely pencil him in

1036
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: for at least fifteen starts as long as he stays healthy,

1037
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: So I just love the talent around him. As long

1038
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 1: as everybody stays healthy, you have arguably one of the

1039
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: best pass catching backs in the league. TJ. Howkinson. I'm

1040
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: on Ross Brown. I love how they brought in DJ

1041
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: Huk and Jamison Williams in case Jared Goff does want

1042
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: to throw the ball down field, He'll have options this year,

1043
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,879
Speaker 1: so I probably, yeah, I'm going to target everybody else

1044
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: in this offense, but Jared Goff at QB twenty seven

1045
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: is pretty pretty good in the later rounds of the draft.

1046
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: If you want like a third quarterback in Best Baller,

1047
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 1: you know your two QB super flex league, like I

1048
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: do like Jared Goff at his ADP.

1049
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 2: I actually think Jared Goff is a second quarterback in

1050
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 2: the Best But I think that's his upside because we

1051
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: wait right and so instead of instead of going like

1052
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 2: drafting one of those guys in the mid range like

1053
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 2: rounds earlier, you essentially are one of the last people

1054
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 2: to draft your QB two and you're still getting Like

1055
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 2: I think the Lions are gonna be putting up like

1056
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 2: mid twenties points per game this year because like Jared

1057
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 2: Goff has been fined, Like we've seen Jared Goff in

1058
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 2: the Rams offense when he had a good old line

1059
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 2: and like good receivers, Like he was fine. He wasn't amazing,

1060
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 2: but he was fine. So yeah, I think that's really

1061
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 2: how you take advantage of the QB twenty seven eightyp

1062
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,919
Speaker 2: for golf, is you take him as your QB two

1063
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 2: Saint Brown. I'm like, the splits here are crazy. So

1064
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 2: it's like hockey, and a lot of it coincided with

1065
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 2: Hockinson going down, but he also got a lot better

1066
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 2: as the year progressed. Weeks one to twelve, he was

1067
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,280
Speaker 2: eightieth out of one hundred two receivers in PFF receiving grade,

1068
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 2: and you know that kind of it kind of backs

1069
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 2: it up. We were like, oh is this We liked

1070
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 2: him as a sleeper, is he gonna hit? We didn't

1071
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 2: know a lot of you.

1072
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:52,720
Speaker 1: Know, he wasn't really making a huge impact.

1073
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 2: But then weeks thirteen and eight to eighteen eight in

1074
00:51:56,360 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 2: PFF receiving grade, and if you just take his first

1075
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 2: three weeks, even from week four on, he averaged eight

1076
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 2: point six targets, six point seven catches sixty seven yards

1077
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 2: per game and point four touchdowns. That is thirteen point

1078
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 2: six half PPR points per game. That puts him at

1079
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 2: wide receiver thirteen, a couple tenths of a point behind

1080
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,280
Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs.

1081
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's very tricky to project this year because, like

1082
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: you alluded to, I mean, I feel like anytime you

1083
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: mentioned Sleepers, we mentioned him, like towards the end of

1084
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 1: the draft, we liked him, We love the landing spot.

1085
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: But the end of last season was just absolutely insane.

1086
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: You mentioned, you know, weeks thirteen, three, eighteen, he was

1087
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 1: eighth in PFF grade. Who cares about that? He was

1088
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: number two in fancy football only behind Cooper Cup. So,

1089
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: I mean, he obviously has an upside, but we have

1090
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: to remember that they were without DeAndre Swift and TJ.

1091
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: Hawkinson for most of that time. So his target rate

1092
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,399
Speaker 1: per out run went through the roof. It was thirty

1093
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: two percent. Almost every single week it was over thirty percent,

1094
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 1: and it was twenty two percent across the entire season.

1095
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: So unfortunately, you know, a Swift back, Hackinson back, with

1096
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 1: Chark added to the mix, Jamison Williams once he's healthy,

1097
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: there is gonna be way more competition for targets. So

1098
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: I guess in order to really like him at ADP,

1099
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 1: you have to think that Jared Goff is going to,

1100
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: you know, take it to the next level and there's

1101
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: gonna be more yards to go around, which you seem

1102
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: to think. So he's yeah, I mean, god, it seems

1103
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: like we're paying up a little bit too much for

1104
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 1: the end of season stretch. But he is still in

1105
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: a good spot. And you know, Jared Goff, he doesn't

1106
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: like to throw it down field. So just because they

1107
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:37,399
Speaker 1: have Chark and Jamison willing Williams running go routes doesn't

1108
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: mean he's going to target them. It could mean that

1109
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: Alma Ran Brown has more space over the middle of

1110
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: the field. So yeah, it's a tough call. He's my

1111
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: wide receiver thirty two now, just because you do have

1112
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: to factor in, you know, the target regression just a bit,

1113
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 1: and he's he's probably not going to be more than

1114
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: a five to six touchdown kind of guy. So that's

1115
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: why I'm a little bit lower on him. But obviously

1116
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: he has that baked and upside if guys start to

1117
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: go down.

1118
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's why I kind of talked about the

1119
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 2: PFF grade because obviously you know, with with all the

1120
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 2: targets vacated.

1121
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, he put up great fantasy numbers.

1122
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 2: We know that, but like the eye test, it kind

1123
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 2: of confirms the eye test, like he on higher volume,

1124
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 2: he got better.

1125
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: And as a rookie, you always want to see a guy.

1126
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 2: Like improve, you know, heading into year two, which is

1127
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:21,919
Speaker 2: when they take bigger weaps.

1128
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: So like, I'm actually buying Saint Brown at wide receiver

1129
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: twenty six because I think I think there's like an outside.

1130
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:31,399
Speaker 2: Chance he just goes completely like Odell Beckham in year two,

1131
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 2: like just like just like he's the guy, Like it

1132
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 2: doesn't matter who else is there.

1133
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 1: It's like he's getting the ten targets every game from

1134
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: Jared like he's the Cooper Cup.

1135
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 2: He's like you know what I mean, Like, yeah, he's

1136
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 2: just so like I'm wide receiver twenty Like I feel

1137
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 2: like the floor is still high enough where like what's

1138
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 2: gonna happen He's just gonna get five catches for sixty

1139
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 2: yards instead of six catches for eighty yards.

1140
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: Like, you know, I feel like the floor is high enough.

1141
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 2: For me to still take that chance, because I think

1142
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,439
Speaker 2: I don't think we've seen the best of Saint Brown.

1143
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,359
Speaker 1: Yet necessarily Like I think he's just a really good

1144
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: football player. Yeah, and I was. I was kind of

1145
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: referencing him as sort of the Cooper Cup in this

1146
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: offense before the Cooper Cup eruption last year. But that's

1147
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: the guy. That's kind of guy that GoF does like

1148
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: to target. But how about towards the end of the year,

1149
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: they were starting to give him some carries too, so like, yep,

1150
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: sort of a Debo Cup hybrid, which yeah, sounds like

1151
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: that the most amazing Fants ballplayer ever. But he had

1152
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: a rushing touchdown, they gave him a carry and what

1153
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: five to the last six games, so I mean they're

1154
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: gonna give him the ball one way or another. So yeah,

1155
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: I still love his upside. I'm just there's so many

1156
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 1: mouthsipe in this offense that unless you're projecting golf for

1157
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: over what two sixty yards a game, it's really hard

1158
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 1: to give targets to everybody. So that's slight dip. I

1159
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: hate to put cold water on it, but just slight

1160
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: dip in his targets this year.

1161
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 2: I just would have I mean, this is a I

1162
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,760
Speaker 2: guess it's a bold take, but I wouldn't be surprised

1163
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 2: if like we're entering like week four and it's like

1164
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 2: it's just like, oh, who's who's like our numb wide

1165
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:05,919
Speaker 2: receiver five? Oh, it's like Debo last year Keenan Allen

1166
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 2: when he kind of snuck into that top.

1167
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: A legend. But I'm saying, like, so we get to so, Sean,

1168
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: who's your QB five? And I'm like, Sefon Diggs and

1169
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: You're like, you'll never guess who my I'm on rass,

1170
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: Like hole, you see that.

1171
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 2: I'm just saying outside shot, That's all I'm saying, Like

1172
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 2: I could be I still feel like the floor is high,

1173
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,800
Speaker 2: even if I'm dead wrong about him having a great ceiling,

1174
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 2: but I really see it outside shot for him.

1175
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 1: I just think he's good. That good. We were, yeah,

1176
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: we were projecting him as a wide receiver one towards

1177
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: the end of last year, right, I'm trying. Yeah, he's

1178
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: the wide receiver too, I would hope six week. Yeah,

1179
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: like how they're doing and like how we're actually thanking

1180
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: them is a little bit different, but yeah, I just

1181
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: remember having his his targets through the roof, So yeah,

1182
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: I would not be surprised that you're probably going to

1183
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 1: force that. Uh, by week free just to say I

1184
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: told you so, but yeah, I can definitely see it. Uh,

1185
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 1: Chark is going to wide receiver sixty.

1186
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 2: He's tough because I feel like once Williams comes back,

1187
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 2: he's kind of gonna be the odd man out.

1188
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: But I'm just give you an interesting stat.

1189
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 2: Essentially, DJ Shark in his best year twenty nineteen, he

1190
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 2: had seventy three catches and he forced eleven miss tackles.

1191
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 2: And he has not forced a mistackle since on sixty.

1192
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 2: So he's not like a yack guy where like you're like,

1193
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 2: oh my god, he's falling off because he's not forced misstacks.

1194
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 2: But I just thought that was kind of illustrative of

1195
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 2: why he's been disappointing, since he hasn't made anybody miss

1196
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 2: in the last two years.

1197
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: That's interesting. And yeah, like going to this Lion's offense,

1198
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: I mean, he's going to be the downfield threat. I

1199
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: just don't see how he sees a ton of targets

1200
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,919
Speaker 1: because Jared Goff, you know, he ranked eighteenth in past

1201
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: attempts last year. He ranked twenty six in past tempts

1202
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: twenty plus yards downfield. Now you could say that he

1203
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: didn't really have a deep threat last year, and that

1204
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: might be true, but he just doesn't seem like the

1205
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: guy that's going to really target Chart a whole lot.

1206
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: So I think Chark might open up things for the

1207
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: other guys rather than you know, Chark being a valiant himself.

1208
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: Like you said, once Jamison Williams comes back, I think,

1209
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: I like DJ Shark is a talent, but Jamison Williams

1210
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: is on a whole other level. So unfortunately, Chark's gonna

1211
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: be sort of on borrowed time until Williams comes back. So,

1212
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: if anything, you're gonna get value from Chark early in

1213
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: the season, but he's not gonna Like that's the time

1214
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: of year it's easy to get value from your wide receiver.

1215
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: So I'm off on Chark at wide receiver sixty He's

1216
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: one of the reasons I do like golf heading into

1217
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: the season. The Chark himself, Like, just based on this

1218
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: landing spot, it's probably not good for him.

1219
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, would you take a shot on Williams at sixty

1220
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 2: two or it's hard to kind of factor in.

1221
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,479
Speaker 1: We don't really know exactly when we'll be back. Yeah,

1222
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: it's just hard to know when he'll be back. And again,

1223
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: I wasn't really thrilled about the landing spot. There's already

1224
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: a ton of you know, weapons in this offense, Like

1225
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard for him to get targets and

1226
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: it's gonna depend on dury Goff deciding to throw it

1227
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: deep because I think, you know, Williams is going to

1228
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,959
Speaker 1: be sort of a Deshaun Jackson type of deep threat,

1229
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: like he's gonna have spiked weeks. But just it's really

1230
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: hard to take him, especially not knowing if he'll like when,

1231
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,439
Speaker 1: if when? Would you guess he's going to be ready

1232
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: by week six? Yeah? I would.

1233
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 2: I mean I could see him starting on the pup

1234
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 2: and missing about six games, but so I'm yeah, I'm

1235
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 2: guessing about ten games, eight to ten, I think eight

1236
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 2: to ten games of the season, they will be there.

1237
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I mean he's very talented guy.

1238
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 2: So if he's dropping, you know, he's he's low enough

1239
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,439
Speaker 2: where I guess he's what be your wide receiver five.

1240
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 2: You know, if you can get him and then get

1241
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 2: like a high floor guy like a kJ Osbourne maybe,

1242
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 2: or maybe you draft Williams and Shark and then you.

1243
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: Just kind of do it that way. But oh god, yeah, no,

1244
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: I like I like the I like the Williams Osbourne's. Yeah, yeah, you.

1245
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 2: Can kind of you can kind of finesse it, especially

1246
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:53,959
Speaker 2: if you have an IR slot, so you're not really

1247
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 2: wasting a bench slot. That's because I don't like wasting

1248
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 2: bench slots period. I want to use him on running

1249
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 2: backs and things like that. But again, I think these

1250
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 2: first and second round rookies, you're gonna get hits out

1251
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 2: of these guys, so you want exposure and the guy's talented.

1252
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 2: Though I'm not completely off him, but I think if

1253
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 2: you have an IR slot, that's that's when you take

1254
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 2: absolutely advantage of him. Hockinson talk about a guy first

1255
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 2: two weeks of the season he averaged nearly eleven targets

1256
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 2: per game, eighty two yards, one point five touchdowns, twenty

1257
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 2: two point four half PPR points per game. Then the

1258
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 2: rest of the year six point nine targets, four point

1259
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:35,439
Speaker 2: six catches, forty two yards, point two touchdowns, seven point

1260
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 2: seven and a half PPR points. So his Week three

1261
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 2: on pace would have put him at tight end sixteen,

1262
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 2: right behind Tyra Higbee. So I mean he's going tight

1263
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 2: end six He might actually be the guy that gets

1264
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 2: squeezed a little bit with all these receivers at and

1265
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 2: swift healthy.

1266
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: Oh for sure. Yeah, I'm off with him at tight

1267
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: end six. Last year, I was all over him at

1268
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: tight end six because you know, I just thought he

1269
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: was gonna be a target monster. He's still an elite

1270
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 1: talent sort of entering his prime. But yeah, after he

1271
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: tailed off last year, it's clear that this is AmAm

1272
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 1: Ra Saint Brown's offense. So I'm probably going to stay

1273
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 1: away from Hawkinson at tighten six. That's just way too high.

1274
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 1: And that's really when the tier opens up. We're really

1275
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: tight end six to tight end like fourteen, I have

1276
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: within like five points of each other. So I usually

1277
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: don't target the top of a tier. I target the

1278
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: bottom of a tier. So I am completely off Hawkinson

1279
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: at Titan six. I think that's just way too high.

1280
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: And yeah, he's probably the guy that's probably gonna take

1281
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 1: the biggest tip from you know, so many weapons in

1282
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: this offense. Yeah, Swift RB eleven, what do you think

1283
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: of him there? Yeah? I like that, Like he has

1284
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 1: top five upside if he can stay healthy. I mean,

1285
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 1: Jamal Williams factored in a lot more than I anticipated

1286
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 1: last year, Like, let's be honest, he does cap his

1287
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 1: upside a bit, but still Swift is going to see

1288
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 1: just as much work as Possol in the receiving game,

1289
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 1: which is good because you know, we expect the Lions

1290
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: to be trailing most of the time. So that's you know,

1291
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a very valuable role on a team

1292
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: like this. So I love Swift's upside, especially you know,

1293
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 1: you get him at the end of the RB one tier.

1294
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 1: I'm all for that, and just fingers crossed that he

1295
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: can actually stay healthy this year. Yeah.

1296
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 2: Again, number three oh line projected by PFF. You know,

1297
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 2: good quality starters all the way across the line had

1298
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 2: eleven games with fifty one or few rushing yards, two

1299
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 2: with one hundred and thirty plus, and still had one

1300
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 2: hundred plus scrimmage yards and six out of the thirteen.

1301
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 2: So like he you know, like his medium could be

1302
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 2: close to one hundred scrimmage yards. Yeah, and I think Williams, actually,

1303
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 2: I think Williams is gonna is not going to cap

1304
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 2: his upside this year because eleven games with Swift, he

1305
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 2: still averaged ten point eight carries last year. But I

1306
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 2: think I think this Lions team is going to be

1307
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 2: like a pass heavy shootout team this year, like Absoull,

1308
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 2: I think golf is going to be around that to

1309
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 2: sixty yards and I think I think you're just gonna

1310
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 2: see less running because now you have they clearly wanted

1311
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 2: to upgrade the passing game. And I think a lot

1312
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 2: of the product of like Williams getting double digit touches

1313
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 2: and you know, they've using all these running backs and

1314
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 2: Creig Reynolds, and like, I think that was a product

1315
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 2: of you know, they just couldn't they couldn't stick with

1316
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 2: teams if they had to throw it.

1317
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: But this year, I think they can and and their

1318
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:28,439
Speaker 1: defense is still not gonna be good. So yeah, last, yeah, yeah,

1319
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 1: and last, don't talk shit about Craig Reynolds, by the way,

1320
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 1: And last year, like he had a lost season because

1321
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 1: his season was essentially over after Week twelve because they

1322
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 1: they brought him back the past couple of games gave

1323
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 1: him a few touches, so his season was essentially over

1324
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 1: in Week twelve. But wasn't he like dealing with an

1325
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 1: ankle injury or something early in the season. I remember

1326
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 1: you fading him early in the season, So what was

1327
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 1: it the first three or four weeks he was you know,

1328
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 1: questionable with an ankle injury or something like that. Yeah,

1329
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: into a year. Yeah, yeah, so he was only really

1330
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 1: healthy for maybe five to six games last year. Yeah,

1331
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 1: so yeah, like swift to RB eleven Williams. Williams is

1332
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 1: probably the guy I think.

1333
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 2: I think you're probably a year late trying to trying

1334
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 2: to recapture that with Williams, even at RB fifty one,

1335
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 2: because even if I don't even think he's like the

1336
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 2: handcuff necessary, if they keep Reynolds on the roster. If

1337
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 2: they don't keep Reynolds on the roster, then maybe I'd

1338
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 2: like them a little more. But if they do, I

1339
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 2: think Reynolds is actually the better runner. So yeah, yeah,

1340
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 2: I'm off Williams this year and West Reynolds gets cut

1341
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 2: sleepers bust on the Lion's who you got.

1342
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 1: I think the sleeper just has to be Jared Goff,

1343
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 1: just because there's so many weapons in this offense, and

1344
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: I kind of like your idea of just if you're

1345
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 1: in a best ball format, make him your QB two

1346
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 1: and you can get him super cheap. So obviously his

1347
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:53,439
Speaker 1: upside is limited, but if this offense is pass heavy

1348
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 1: and exciting, as you and I think it could be

1349
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: Jared Goff would be a steal at QB twenty seven.

1350
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, like love GoF And I mean, I know

1351
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 2: you disagree, but I think I'm don't I Saint Brown.

1352
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 1: I think I think, oh yeah, no, I think he has.

1353
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 1: I really do, even even with the additions I think

1354
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: he do is No, I definitely I can. I can

1355
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: support you in this. Like my rank, my rank is

1356
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 1: lower than you, But I don't think you're crazy for

1357
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: being high on him. What about bus uh bro oh man,

1358
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 1: Like all these guys are pretty cheap. Maybe TJ. Hawkinson, Yeah,

1359
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 1: and maybe honestly, maybe DJ Chark just because in that

1360
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 1: range there's so many ties with massive upside and that

1361
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 1: wide receiver sixty range, and like we said, like his

1362
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 1: his upsides cat because when Jamison Williams, you know, returns

1363
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 1: and say week six or eight, it's gonna be really

1364
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: tough for Chark to see. Uh you know, those deep

1365
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 1: balls or just net targets really put up value. So

1366
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 1: even though he's he's going super late, you know, wide

1367
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 1: receiver sixty, you're still passing up on some guys with

1368
01:05:57,080 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 1: like massive upside. So maybe Chark along Hawkinson.

1369
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 2: For me, Yeah, I think Hockinson just not doesn't really

1370
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 2: fit in the strategy for me either in terms of

1371
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 2: tight end six. And I would even say Jamal Williams

1372
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 2: because I'm concerned about the efficiency. First of all, you know,

1373
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 2: he had a career low in yards per catch last

1374
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 2: year at six point zero. He finished below four yards

1375
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 2: per carry for the third time in his five seasons,

1376
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 2: and he turned at twenty seven. And I think I

1377
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 2: think Reynolds, even if Reynolds doesn't make the roster, I

1378
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 2: think if Swift went down, they may call Reynolds up

1379
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 2: or you know, from a practice squad if he's back

1380
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 2: on here. So yeah, those two guys for me with

1381
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 2: dude bears who can go a little quicker with them,

1382
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 2: I guess you where are you on?

1383
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 1: Justin Field? He's going as QB eighteen in ADP. Yeah,

1384
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 1: I mean he was, Let's face it, he was disappointing

1385
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 1: as a rookie, mainly as a passer. Obviously he has

1386
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 1: the rushing upside. I still remember his debut when we

1387
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 1: said his projection around like two hundred and twenty passing

1388
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 1: yards and the books had him at like one eighty

1389
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 1: or just hammering the show of and he threw for

1390
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 1: what sixty eight yards, so we had to adjust pretty

1391
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 1: quickly there, but he did show signs of life. Towards

1392
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 1: the end of the season weeks fourteen and fifteen, he

1393
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 1: was QB nine I think once the Bears started to

1394
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 1: move around the pocket a little bit more like when

1395
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 1: he's running and scrambling like, he's obviously good as a runner,

1396
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 1: but also good as a passer. So hopefully the new

1397
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 1: scheme under Luke Getsky, who's coming over from the Packers,

1398
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 1: helps him a little bit. So I'm still buying in

1399
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 1: the fields his upside. If you're in a one QB league,

1400
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: he's the kind of guy that you like to stash

1401
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 1: on your bench because he has league winning upside. But

1402
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 1: if you're in two QB league, he still does have

1403
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 1: a pretty low floor. He's going to have to make

1404
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 1: a significant ear two leap, I think, but just you

1405
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 1: can't pass up this rushing upside that he has. So

1406
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 1: he's still a pretty good value in that you know,

1407
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 1: QB eighteen range. Oh, I'm taking him one day ATQB

1408
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 1: eighty like for two reasons.

1409
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:01,439
Speaker 2: Number one in his three reasons Matt one is Matt

1410
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 2: Naggie's gone, But yeah.

1411
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1412
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 2: In his first six you know, full starts, he averaged

1413
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 2: twenty four pass attempt so you know, they kind of had.

1414
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 1: The kid gloves on him.

1415
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 2: Only one hundred and fifty four passing yards per game,

1416
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 2: half a passing touchdown per game. Then his last three

1417
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 2: full starts and not counting the game he left, but

1418
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 2: his last three he jumped to thirty four attempts per game, So,

1419
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 2: like all closer to the league average average two hundred

1420
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 2: and sixty seven passing yards per game and one point

1421
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 2: three touchdowns. Still not great, but solid enough when you're

1422
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 2: adding in rushing production. And I mean this Bear's defense,

1423
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 2: I don't think he's going to be very good this year.

1424
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:41,599
Speaker 2: So it's it's not to the extent like the Lions,

1425
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 2: because I think the Lions actually have a lot of

1426
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:45,720
Speaker 2: good pieces everywhere. The Bears don't have the same kind

1427
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 2: of line or the skill players. But I still think

1428
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 2: Fields is going to be in a lot of trailing

1429
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 2: game scripts to where he gets the passing numbers too

1430
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 2: respectable places and then he gives you a rushing up set.

1431
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, QB eighteen, I think you can smash that. Yeah,

1432
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 1: It's just it's a shame you know, shame on the

1433
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 1: Bears for not really building around him, because we've talked

1434
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 1: about this before, but you know, they lost Alan Robinson

1435
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 1: and you know, they bring in Byron Pringle to be

1436
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 1: the wide receiver too, and then they draft Vilas Jones,

1437
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 1: which was a bit of a head scratcher. So they

1438
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 1: didn't really give Justin Field much to work with this year.

1439
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 1: So you know, my knock on him isn't really him specifically,

1440
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 1: it's just like the team building strategy around him heading

1441
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:28,719
Speaker 1: into this year anyway has not been good. So if anything,

1442
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:30,599
Speaker 1: maybe that's going to force him to run a bit

1443
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 1: more if he doesn't have wide receivers separating. So yeah,

1444
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:36,760
Speaker 1: it's it's unfortunate for him that they didn't really you know,

1445
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 1: build for twenty twenty two for him. But yeah, just

1446
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 1: love his upside so I can get behind him at

1447
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 1: QBA team.

1448
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 2: The most egregious thing about the building around him is

1449
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:53,679
Speaker 2: not even the Byron Pringle ooh, it's it's the fact

1450
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 2: that every projected depth chart in every report I read,

1451
01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 2: Equanimius Saint Brown is running with the start. Oh my god,

1452
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 2: you guys, how do you replace Alan Robinson with equanimity

1453
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 2: of Saint Brown.

1454
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:09,680
Speaker 1: It's brutal. It's like, in what world does this do?

1455
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:14,600
Speaker 1: I know Luke gets he's from the Packers, and but like,

1456
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:18,599
Speaker 1: just like, in what world is EQUANIMI of Saint Brown? Uh,

1457
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 1: like a starting galliber receiver. But I do like Darnol Mooney.

1458
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:26,679
Speaker 1: I why I receive thirty two? What do you think? Yeah? Yeah,

1459
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 1: I love it. Why he's gonna be a target hog

1460
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:30,640
Speaker 1: in this offense. Like we just said that. You know,

1461
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: the wide receiver depth chart is the worst in the league,

1462
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 1: especially behind Mooney, So love Mooney.

1463
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 2: This year.

1464
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 1: He's wide receiver thirty two, so you can get him

1465
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 1: pretty cheap. Yeah, and I you know, I'm worried with

1466
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:46,639
Speaker 1: opposing defenses and double team him scheme to slow him down.

1467
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 1: But he's still good enough. I believe in him. And

1468
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 1: you know, the only other concern I guess is he

1469
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 1: had four hundred plus receiving yard games last year and

1470
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 1: three of them were with Andy Dalton, So maybe with

1471
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:00,680
Speaker 1: Justin Field scrambling a lot more, that does sort of

1472
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 1: cap his upside. But at the end of the day,

1473
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 1: who the hell else is gonna throw to other than

1474
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 1: Mooney and Matt really, so just Mooney is just really

1475
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 1: high for a guy, high ceiling guy too. He can

1476
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 1: you know, be a deep threat. So love getting Mooney

1477
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 1: sort of in that wide receiver thirty two range.

1478
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was worried a little bit about kind

1479
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 2: of to your point about without Robinson their defenses are

1480
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 2: going to be able to kind of focus in on Mooney.

1481
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 2: But I looked at the five games that he played

1482
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 2: without Allen Robinson last year. He averaged nine point six targets,

1483
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:32,719
Speaker 2: five point two catches, seventy eight yards per game.

1484
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 1: So that's very good.

1485
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 2: I know it's a small sample obviously, five games, but

1486
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 2: that's all we have to go off of. And I

1487
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 2: mean especially considering how feeble that you know, the quarterback

1488
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 2: situation was last year, and you know, for him to

1489
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 2: put up nearly ten targets a game and nearly eighty

1490
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 2: yards a game in five games without Robinson in that

1491
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 2: offense last year, yep.

1492
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:57,840
Speaker 1: Entering year three, I think that's that's all I need

1493
01:11:57,920 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 1: to hear.

1494
01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:01,599
Speaker 2: For give me a team's wide receiver one at thirty

1495
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:04,559
Speaker 2: two all day, Like yeah, No, I remember projecting him

1496
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 2: last year when Alan Robinson was out.

1497
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 1: Like his projections, I'm all through the roof yeah, and

1498
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 1: you know we kind of do that where guy's like

1499
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 1: through the roof, we're kind of like pushing him down.

1500
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 1: You know, you're packing up your luggage and you're trying

1501
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 1: to squeeze it all the like I push. I had

1502
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 1: to like push his projections down because I had like

1503
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:22,760
Speaker 1: embarrassing rankings for him, Like he was inside my top

1504
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 1: fifteen when Robinson was out. So it's just like you're right,

1505
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 1: like with Robinson out, maybe that does help him because

1506
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 1: like like like we said, who who else are they

1507
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 1: gonna throw it to? So yeah, like the fact that

1508
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:35,720
Speaker 1: you can get him outside of the top thirty is

1509
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 1: criminal in my opinion, just based on his expected target share.

1510
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 1: So uh yeah, love him is his.

1511
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 2: Non a rob pace, you know, it is pace without

1512
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 2: a rob His pace without a rob would have put

1513
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 2: him right between Ceedee Lamb and Brandon Cooks as a

1514
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 2: top twenty four receiver.

1515
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 1: So I believe it.

1516
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 2: Love me some mooney this year, not even going to

1517
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 2: talk about the rest of these guys except thank you.

1518
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 2: I guess Cole commit he actually without a Robin five games,

1519
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 2: seven targets, four point four catches, forty eight yards per game,

1520
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 2: no touchdowns, But that pace would have still put him.

1521
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 2: That would put him at a tight end eighteen. But

1522
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 2: that like, you can't expect him to get zero touchdowns,

1523
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:17,679
Speaker 2: so maybe a maybe a little bit of a chance

1524
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:19,759
Speaker 2: to out kick his ADP by a couple of spots

1525
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 2: here and finishes like a mid range tight end two

1526
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 2: or a high end one instead of the low end

1527
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 2: when he's being drafted.

1528
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 1: A yeah, I would say mid range tight end two.

1529
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 1: And you know, obviously he's not going to score zero

1530
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,639
Speaker 1: touchdowns again this year, and it helps that Jimmy Graham

1531
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 1: is gone, so you know that's going to help him

1532
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 1: out considerably. But he's going to be a volume based,

1533
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 1: you know, high mid range tight end two. You know,

1534
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 1: certainly in this offense, you can't really expect more than

1535
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 1: five touchdowns from him, but I'll take a few this year.

1536
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think he's a safe, safe, higher floor

1537
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 1: kind of guy, in that range where he can't get

1538
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 1: too excited about him. But he's you know, he's entering

1539
01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 1: year three. He's only twenty three years old, so he's

1540
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 1: definitely due for a breakout. See and you know his

1541
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 1: his snaps and routes run rates should only go up

1542
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:06,600
Speaker 1: with Graham out of the picture. Where are you on Montgomery?

1543
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 1: He's going as RB sixteen, that's right where I have him.

1544
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 1: I think that's that's a fair place to get him.

1545
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 1: Should see a ton of volume this year again this year,

1546
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 1: you know, Getsky has talked about, you know, being established

1547
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 1: the run kind of guy, but they're not going to

1548
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:23,760
Speaker 1: be leading enough games to really lean on that. But

1549
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 1: you know, Montgomery, his receiving upside has really flourished the

1550
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 1: past couple of seasons. Ever since treat Cohen essentially went down,

1551
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 1: Montgomery's been the true workhorse. So you know he's going

1552
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 1: to be used even if they're trailing, He's going to

1553
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 1: see that receiving usage. So love Montgomery. His upside's pretty limited.

1554
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not a home run threat, he's not

1555
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:46,599
Speaker 1: going to really score double digit touchdowns, but just he's

1556
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:48,640
Speaker 1: going to be a reliable guy in that sort of

1557
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:51,280
Speaker 1: frozen pond here where you know he's going to be

1558
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 1: the man. So I'm right in line with his adp

1559
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 1: at RB sixteen. Yeah, I love the usage. Hate the

1560
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 1: old line. RB sixteen seems fair all right, Sleepers and busts.

1561
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 1: Oh Man, the sleeper has to be Darnell Mooney. You

1562
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 1: got me all excited. Oh yeah, post Allen Robinson. His

1563
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:14,720
Speaker 1: upside is just immense, So it's got to be Mooney. Yeah,

1564
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 1: and I'll say Fields as well.

1565
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:18,600
Speaker 2: I think QB eighteen, Like we're always talking about these

1566
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 2: running quarterbacks. He improved down a stretch on higher volume,

1567
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 2: the defense is going to be bad. So yeah, Mike

1568
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 2: Fields as well, bust. I mean, no one really thinking

1569
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 2: about drafting outside of those guys through even yeah, you know,

1570
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:37,759
Speaker 2: I mean I think Montgomery's right. I wouldn't touch Jones

1571
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 2: or well maybe I mean Jones went around two round three,

1572
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 2: it was around three, right, round three, Yeah, so that

1573
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:47,719
Speaker 2: knocks his chances of hitting down a lot. Just statistically speaking,

1574
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 2: He's more like a jakeem Grant. So yeah, I wouldn't

1575
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:52,439
Speaker 2: touch any of these other receivers. I don't think outside

1576
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 2: of outside of Mooney and Comet, and even Comet, that's

1577
01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:57,600
Speaker 2: you know, that's just too tight end.

1578
01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 1: So yeah, no real bust. But yeah, the bus would

1579
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 1: be anybody outside of Fields, Montgomery, Mooney and Comet and Kila.

1580
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 1: Herbert is probably a good handcuff back because whenever Montgarmery

1581
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:12,640
Speaker 1: goes down, he's going to be the warhorse. Back. So

1582
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 1: there really there really isn't a bus on this team

1583
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:16,719
Speaker 1: in my opinion.

1584
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, just just don't draft equanimous. Yeah yeah, exactly, and

1585
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 2: wrap it up. I think we went well pretty long,

1586
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 2: but I think it was important to kind of talk.

1587
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 1: It's a good division vision. Yeah, there's a lot of

1588
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 1: value to be had here.

1589
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 2: But if you guys want to find Sean on Twitter,

1590
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 2: you can find him at the Underscore Odds Maker. You

1591
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 2: can find me at Chris Raybond. You can find us

1592
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 2: at those same handles any Action Network app. We shoul

1593
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:44,360
Speaker 2: to check out our episodes on the AFC at NFC

1594
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 2: West South and now we're finished the North. Next week

1595
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 2: we'll be back with the AFC East and again reminder,

1596
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 2: if you like the show, please leave us a five

1597
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:57,640
Speaker 2: star review. We'll pick out a winner to get a

1598
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:00,639
Speaker 2: free year of the Action Pro sub and our weekly

1599
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:03,560
Speaker 2: ranks and all that good stuff, So be sure to

1600
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 2: do that.

1601
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 1: Until next time, let's get this money.