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Speaker 1: three DP show. Maverick's blown out by the Suns on Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: and normally when the team struggles, you point towards the

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Speaker 1: star player, but it's hard to point a finger at Luca.

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Speaker 1: He's been dominant in the postseason. He's averaging over thirty

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Speaker 1: three a game in the playoffs, but his play hasn't

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Speaker 1: translated into second round success. The Mavericks looked overwhelmed. Luca

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Speaker 1: is scoring, but they're taking advantage of his lack of defense.

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Speaker 1: Dallas point guard Jalen Brunson's a nice player, but to

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Speaker 1: ask him to get your twenty three to twenty five

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Speaker 1: a night, it's a tall task. They're focusing on Luca.

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Speaker 1: Luca is going to have a lot of turnovers. They're

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Speaker 1: going to try to tire him out. At the other

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Speaker 1: end playing defense. And if you look at the Dallas Mavericks,

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Speaker 1: it's a good team, a good regular season team, but

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Speaker 1: not ready to make a run in the postseason. We

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Speaker 1: thought Kris stops supports Zingis was going to be that,

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Speaker 1: you know, Robin de Batman here and it didn't work out.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you go out and get a Rudy Gobert in

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Speaker 1: the offseason. But Dallas Phoenix is a better team. You know,

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Speaker 1: Luca is the best player on the floor. And I

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Speaker 1: like how you know people are now realizing that Luca

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Speaker 1: can't play defense. I'm thinking, does anybody watch sports anymore?

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Speaker 1: They just read articles. I mean, he does try to

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Speaker 1: play defense, but he can't play defense. He's out guarding

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Speaker 1: Chris paul and the perimeter. I'm going that's horrible, horrible,

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Speaker 1: And now we point out that he can't play defense.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of guys in the history of

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Speaker 1: But Luca on the floor that plus minus if you

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Speaker 1: want to factor in the analytics, I mean, it's not

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Speaker 1: a pretty sight here. Do I expect them to win tonight?

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Speaker 1: I do, but this might be it? Yes, Paulie, I

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Speaker 1: hesitated to bring this up, but Dan I mentioned the morning,

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Speaker 1: meaning there is the Sporting News posted this. When's the

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Speaker 1: last time you said I hesitate to bring this up

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Speaker 1: and then you don't bring it up. I always bring

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Speaker 1: it up. Yeah, that's I'm not the vault. So the

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Speaker 1: Sporting News posted on social media yesterday. Luca Done now

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Speaker 1: has the most career points per game in NBA playoff history.

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Speaker 1: Luca's career average in the postseason is thirty three point

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Speaker 1: five points per game. Guess who's now second place? Michael

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Speaker 1: Jordan at thirty three point four. Michael Jordan at thirty

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Speaker 1: three point four. What is possibly flawed with this comparative stat? Dan,

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Speaker 1: Just off the top of your head, what could be

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Speaker 1: postseason games and Luca I think he is on game

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Speaker 1: though that's not my fourte In Michael Jordan's first twenty

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Speaker 1: game in the playoffs, so that would be two and

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Speaker 1: higher than You're so funny. I came in and Paul goes,

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Speaker 1: the Sporting News. But you gotta give me some context. Well,

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Speaker 1: shouldn't you say more than ten games game? Yeah? Maybe

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Speaker 1: at this point in his career, eighteen playoff games in

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Speaker 1: Luca Donchek is the second leading score of all time.

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Speaker 1: That's still impressive. It is, but I would like to

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Speaker 1: I got one of those Bonker stat of the days here.

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Speaker 1: it's Friday, uh show Aotani. I had to watch. He's

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Speaker 1: There's certain guys that the ball leaves their bat in

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Speaker 1: then he pitched great. I think he had eleven strikeouts.

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Speaker 1: So back in the early seventies, Show Heyotani had a

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Speaker 1: Who's doing the poll? Question honors because Seaton's not here

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Speaker 1: to Oh, PAULI is, Yeah, I'll do a few. Okay, Oh,

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Speaker 1: nil one for later. You mentioned Shohyotani. Over the past

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Speaker 1: with pitching or hitting. Maximize those, maximize those, focus on

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Speaker 1: say he's very good at both. Yes, Okay, here's the poll.

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Speaker 1: Shohyotani should focus on either being a hitter or pitcher

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Speaker 1: Stay a two way player for his entire career in

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Speaker 1: the big leagues. You got to stay a two Way

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Speaker 1: player as long as you can, because this is unique.

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Speaker 1: This isn't Babe Ruth. Babe Ruth was a great pitcher,

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Speaker 1: of all time. Babe did pitching and hitting for around

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Speaker 1: two years, I think two seasons. But Shoheiutani is sort

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Speaker 1: of Bo Jackson. You know, Bo was a good baseball

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Speaker 1: he probably would have been a Hall of Famer. If

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Speaker 1: is it swinging? And he had eleven strikeouts yesterday at

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Speaker 1: That's the most by any pitchers so far this season.

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Speaker 1: A lot of times, though, you can have this debate

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Speaker 1: hitting wise, he could be MVP. Pitching wise, he wouldn't

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Speaker 1: Mookie Bets and Cody Bellinger. I was wondering, when's the

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Speaker 1: last time you had two teammates who were the favorites

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Speaker 1: The thing that you see sometimes with younger players is

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Speaker 1: of Very good show? Heyutani, So you're really good, but

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Speaker 1: can I do? College at fletiture is so screwed up

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Speaker 1: right now, name, image and likeness. They just said, hey,

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Speaker 1: let's go figure it out. Now they're trying to rain

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Speaker 1: it back in. You know, should players be getting compensated? Yes,

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Speaker 1: what should it be used to recruit players? If that's

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Speaker 1: the case, we're only going to have a certain number

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Speaker 1: of people playing. Here's the question. Does it tie into

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Speaker 1: the mission of your college university in any way? Are

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Speaker 1: they going to school? Are there any part of what

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00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 1: you do? If not, then let's still have minor league

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Speaker 1: sports somewhere and keep college sports. We had a chance

433
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Speaker 1: to find a balance, and nobody was in charge at

434
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Speaker 1: that point when they needs happened. I don't think you're

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Speaker 1: gonna get the genie back to the bottle. And I'm

436
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Speaker 1: worried about six eight teams in brains, but I was

437
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Speaker 1: going to have forty or fifty that can compete in football.

438
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Speaker 1: That's what makes football really good. And I don't think

439
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Speaker 1: we're gonna have them anymore. Yeah, I wonder if you

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Speaker 1: just get a billionaire who decides that I want my

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Speaker 1: school to be relevant. And let's say it's a billionaire

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Speaker 1: who donates to Tulsa. And imagine if Elon Musk wanted

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Speaker 1: to spend money on the University of Pennsylvania football team

444
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Speaker 1: and just said, hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna spend fifty

445
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Speaker 1: million dollars here. You know, I want my team to

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Speaker 1: be relevant. No if if somebody who's an alum of

447
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Speaker 1: a school is like that, Look look at what the

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Speaker 1: Nike presence has done for war in all sports, facility,

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Speaker 1: everything else. I mean, you now will go to Eugene,

450
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Speaker 1: from la from Phenix, from all the geographically populated areas

451
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Speaker 1: in the West Coast because of the Nike gear, because

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Speaker 1: the facilities, because it's cutting edge in state of the art,

453
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,719
Speaker 1: in so many ways, and that's what a boosters impact

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Speaker 1: can have now as opposing through a company and through

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Speaker 1: the donations to the university. It's right to the kids.

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Speaker 1: So why not I say that Elon Musk should try that.

457
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking Syracuse are dating give our schools a bunch

458
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Speaker 1: of money and we'll see if it works. If we're

459
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Speaker 1: gonna play, let's play in the big leagues, right, why not?

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Speaker 1: Do you have a goofy looking outfit tomorrow? It feels

461
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Speaker 1: like it's open season when you go to the derby,

462
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Speaker 1: you can wear something that you'd never wear again never.

463
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Speaker 1: I come back every year, so I'm kind of basic.

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Speaker 1: The tile be okay. They asked me to put on

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Speaker 1: a hat for the Today Show. I showed up like

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Speaker 1: this in a ball cap, like this is this is

467
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Speaker 1: the best I can do. I don't look good in hats.

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Speaker 1: Do you look good in like the man's hat? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I don't either. I put it off for the Today's

470
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Speaker 1: Show for like two minutes to look awful, But I

471
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Speaker 1: did it for the light, for Roker and for the gag.

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Speaker 1: Why why did they want a hat on you? Because

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Speaker 1: I was with Dylan Dryer and she's wearing a hat

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Speaker 1: and a fascinator and you know everybody tried. My wife's

475
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Speaker 1: coming for the first time and she has hatch the

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Speaker 1: hotel room. He's trying on different hats. Disaster. I told her,

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Speaker 1: I said, you better learn how to bet. You better

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Speaker 1: win money because we're spending a lot of money on

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Speaker 1: hat ever gonna wear at this point. But it's it

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Speaker 1: is cool, you know what it is. It's a real party,

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Speaker 1: and most of the people here aren't dialed into the

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Speaker 1: biggest sporting event in this sport for the year, and

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Speaker 1: those who are love it. And it's one of the

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Speaker 1: rare places that everybody can play in the same sandbox.

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Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, buddy. Have fun tomorrow here.

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Speaker 1: Thank you got Mike Arco joining us. Turn one there,

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Speaker 1: Kentucky Derby, Churchill Downs. Do you guys know enough to draft?

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Speaker 1: We know nothing, but we're ready to draft for the Derby. Okay,

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Speaker 1: by the way, NBC Sports covered to the Derby tomorrow

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Speaker 1: to thirty eastern on NBC in Peaki. How about we

491
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Speaker 1: take a break and then you guys can do a

492
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: little homework here. Everybody gets two picks. How's that, PAULI,

493
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: you're giving me a scrunchy face. I'm sure in two

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Speaker 1: minutes we completely believe you prepared well. At least we

495
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Speaker 1: could get the names right there. Steven Pennsylvania, Hi Steve,

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Speaker 1: what's on your mind? Hey? Dan? Quick story about horse racing.

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Speaker 1: About ten years ago, the wife and I decided to

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Speaker 1: go to an OTV with some friends, have some drinks,

499
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Speaker 1: bet into three dollars at a time on horses to win.

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Speaker 1: We know nothing. She looks at the paper there it says, hey,

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Speaker 1: I like this horse thirty five to one named Bologney Lips.

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Speaker 1: And I said to her, I'm not leaving my beer

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Speaker 1: at the table. Will lappen to go put a three

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Speaker 1: dollars bet on Bologne? He left? Long story short, blowney

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Speaker 1: Lips wins by three lengths every year at Derby time.

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Speaker 1: She looks at me and says, Bologney take her head

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Speaker 1: the way. That's all I got, But thank you, Steve.

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Speaker 1: I used to cover the Kentucky Derby and the Belmont

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Speaker 1: in the Preakness, and when I was at CNN and

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Speaker 1: I got to go to these races. I remember being

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Speaker 1: at the Belmont and I would always bet, but I bet,

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe twenty five dollars fifty dollars at the most.

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Speaker 1: I remember winning my bet at the Belmont, and uh,

514
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Speaker 1: you know, you feel great like I won the Belmont.

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Speaker 1: I got my ticket. Here, I'm going up to cash

516
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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna I'm gonna make forty eight dollars. But damn,

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm I'm a handicapper. So I go

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Speaker 1: up there, and Andrew Bayer, the longtime horse racing expert

519
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Speaker 1: with the Washington Post, is in front of me. So

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Speaker 1: I'm getting ready because I got forty eight dollars. He

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Speaker 1: gives his ticket and this is in the press room

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Speaker 1: that you could cash in your ticket, and it came

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Speaker 1: up forty eight thousand, six hundred and some dollars and

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Speaker 1: I wait, oh my god. He so he's cashing at

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Speaker 1: forty eight thousand. I'm next, and I'm cashing at forty

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Speaker 1: eight dollars. That was that. You know, there are guys

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Speaker 1: that you know, spend a lot of money there, bet

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Speaker 1: a lot of money. But that's first time I saw

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Speaker 1: something that it was like that large of a bet

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Speaker 1: or paying off for Andrew Bayer. But he was always great.

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Speaker 1: I'd read his columns and you know you can make

532
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Speaker 1: money there, but covering Belmont Preakness, and a lot of

533
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: great moments. There covered a lot of great horses, a

534
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: lot of great trainers as well. Thanks for listening to

535
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch us

536
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: live every weekday morning nine until noon eastern six to

537
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, and you can find

538
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: us on the iHeartRadio app at FSR or stream us

539
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: live on the Peacock app. Hey, I'm Doug Gottlieb. The

540
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: podcast is called All Ball. We usually talk all basketball

541
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: all the time, but it's more about the stories about

542
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: what made these people love their sport and all the

543
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: interesting interactions along the way. We talked to coaches, we

544
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: talked to players, We tell you stories. You download it,

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Speaker 1: you listen to it. I think you like it. Listen

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Speaker 1: to All Ball with Doug Gotlieb on the iHeartRadio app,

547
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Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or ever you get your podcast. I've also

548
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time this week on name, image

549
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: and likeness. I'm fascinated of what it is and where

550
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: it's going. And I liken this to a tax loophole

551
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: that everybody's trying to take advantage of now because they're

552
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: going to close this up at some point Heather Denis

553
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: knows a whole lot more about this than I do.

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Speaker 1: She's a senior writer for ESPN dot com. And well,

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Speaker 1: let me start with the beginning of this week. Heather,

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Speaker 1: how would you recap what happened this week in college

557
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Speaker 1: football with name, image and likeness. Well, I would recap

558
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: it by saying it became a perfect storm really with

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Speaker 1: I mean, throw it into a blender with a transfer portal,

560
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: and that's where you have what happened at Pitt and

561
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Speaker 1: you've got their starwide receiver putting his name into transfer portal.

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Speaker 1: I mean I spoke to their quarterback, now Keith and Slovis,

563
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Speaker 1: who up and moved his collegiate life across the country

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Speaker 1: to go to Pitt to play there in large part

565
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Speaker 1: because of that receiver, And now he might not be there.

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Speaker 1: And that's just kind of shows where we are. But

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Speaker 1: this has been happening for a long time. I think

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Speaker 1: the issue of the transfer portal has exacerbated what you're

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Speaker 1: seeing with name, image and likeness. Yeah, and I wondered

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Speaker 1: you have the Pack twelve and SEC commissioners going to Washington,

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Speaker 1: d C. What are they lobbying for? Well, they're lobbying

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Speaker 1: for a legendslat of help, meaning somebody tells what the

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Speaker 1: rules are. And Dan. It's fascinating to me that those

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Speaker 1: are the two people who are going, not NCAA President

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Speaker 1: Mark Emmert, who's on his way out, and you know,

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Speaker 1: to have these two commissioners who are literally two of

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Speaker 1: the most powerful people in college athletics right now, one

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Speaker 1: from the state of California, which is a very blue state,

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Speaker 1: one from the SEC, which represents a lot of red

580
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Speaker 1: states United As they walk into the United States Senate

581
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Speaker 1: to meet with these senators, I think sends a very

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Speaker 1: powerful message about not only how serious they are about

583
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: asking for help, but to be quiet, blunt, how desperate

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Speaker 1: college athletics is for some guidance because clearly they have

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Speaker 1: not gotten it from Indianapolis. And I feel like they're

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Speaker 1: almost circumventing the NCAA. They're just saying, you know, you guys,

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Speaker 1: just stay there in your little bubble in Indianapolis. We're

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Speaker 1: going to take care of this. We're going to be

589
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Speaker 1: on the initiative there. And you know, Greg Sanky is

590
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: as power's more powerful than more camera radios. How is name,

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00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: image and likeness bad for college football? Well, I think

592
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: time will tell just how bad it is, because again

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Speaker 1: you've got you can't talk about that without talking about

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Speaker 1: the transfer portal. How many kids are going to be

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Speaker 1: in the portal with nowhere to go, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's bad right this skinny minute, because college coaches have

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00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: no idea who's on their roster right everything ties into

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Speaker 1: something else, which is why they're trying to get these

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Speaker 1: transfer windows. One in the last November or excuse me,

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Speaker 1: the last Sunday of November that leads up to early

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Speaker 1: Signing Day and another window kind of around now mid

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Speaker 1: April to May first, which is currently the only deadline

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Speaker 1: to put your name in the portal right now is

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Speaker 1: May first, and so they're hoping, well, but at least

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Speaker 1: we narrow these windows that'll help coaches tell who on

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Speaker 1: their roster. Like but to the example of Slovisa, Hey,

607
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: guys have to know who they're playing with too. They

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Speaker 1: have to know what they're signing up for when they move.

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Speaker 1: I mean I spoke with one athletic actor when I

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Speaker 1: was in Scottsdale s week who told this anecdote of

611
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Speaker 1: we had this great linebacker who wanted a car, and

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Speaker 1: so he goes to the local car dealership and says, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know, on the up and up, what can we

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Speaker 1: do to help this kid out? The car dealers like, wow,

615
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Speaker 1: I'm not really comfortable with that. So the kid leaves,

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Speaker 1: goes and gets this car somewhere else and tweets a

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Speaker 1: picture of it, by the way, So that's kind of

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Speaker 1: where it is. And so to be able to have

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Speaker 1: some legislation and look, there's no nobody is kind of

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Speaker 1: blind to the reality of everyone knows how slow things

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Speaker 1: work in Congress. They're not gonna because they had this

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Speaker 1: meeting change things today. And by bullsby the outgoing Big

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Speaker 1: twelve commissioner was very clear about that, saying, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not like anything is going to change before the

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Speaker 1: midterm elections anyway. But to start those conversations and ask

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Speaker 1: for help, I think is an important step, be it

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Speaker 1: symbolic or not. In where college athletics is. Why don't

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Speaker 1: we just pull back the curtain on this, Heather and

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Speaker 1: just say let's have a super conference. Let's have forty

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Speaker 1: of the top football programs, and you could almost structure

631
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Speaker 1: it like the NFL and just say, look, this is

632
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Speaker 1: big business. You're getting paid, Come on in, We're gonna

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Speaker 1: add the haves and the have nots, then you'll have

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Speaker 1: everybody going to one double A or whatever it's going

635
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Speaker 1: to be. But that just feels like that's where we're headed.

636
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: It does, but everybody has to pump the brakes on that,

637
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: like we look at it through a tunnel vision, like

638
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Speaker 1: everyone is. The SEC which is not college football and

639
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: college athletics as a whole is far broader than the

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Speaker 1: Ohio States and Alabamas of the world. Right, so there

641
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: has to be some recognition of the Olympic sports of

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Speaker 1: Title nine. How that impacts the softball players, the baseball players,

643
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: I mean, you name it, right, and so there is

644
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Speaker 1: an aspect to that. Now. When I was in Scottsdale,

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Speaker 1: Ohio State Athletic Director Jeane Smith, he's one of the

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Speaker 1: veteran people in college athletics. When he talks people listen,

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Speaker 1: he said, why don't we put the ten FBS conferences

648
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Speaker 1: under the college Football playoff umbrella. Let's rethink this whole

649
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: thing as we think playoff expansion. And his idea is

650
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 1: the NCAA can continue to host championships for those Olympic

651
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Speaker 1: sports and men's and women's hoops and we'll deal with

652
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Speaker 1: this here with football, and some people say that's not

653
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Speaker 1: a bad idea, but we need a sort of VP

654
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: of operations for college football, like a Dan Gavitt who

655
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: does the same thing for college basketball. So now people

656
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Speaker 1: are at least starting to think out of the box.

657
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: But you can't not remember these other college athletes. I mean,

658
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Speaker 1: you know, I met the Michigan State athletic director for

659
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Speaker 1: the first time who was almost in tears. He was

660
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 1: so emotional about his gymnastics team and what they accomplished

661
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: four years after the Larry Nazer scandal, And so just

662
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: people care. There are people who care about those other athletes.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Heather, and we'll be watching. Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Dan, Heather Dennis. She covers college football ESPN Insider,

665
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Speaker 1: National College Football Writer ESPN dot Com. Keep this in mind,

666
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Speaker 1: have this on good authority. Name image and likeness has

667
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: been around for a long time. The concept of name

668
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: image and likeness. When did Mark Emirate takeover as the

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Speaker 1: president of the nah nin name image and likeness was

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Speaker 1: there in front of him. Name image and likeness has

671
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: been around a long time. But you know what they

672
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: tried to do. They tried to fight this instead of

673
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Speaker 1: saying so. They spent hundreds of millions of dollars trying

674
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Speaker 1: to fight this because they didn't want to have the

675
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: student athlete to have a voice, They didn't want the

676
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Speaker 1: student athlete to get paid by the university. They panicked,

677
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Speaker 1: they panicked. The president of the NCAA was told, have

678
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Speaker 1: student athletes help with this process. The ncuble A just

679
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: said no, we're going to fight this, and they have

680
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: spent over a decade fighting name, image and likeness in

681
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: here we are. They don't know what they're doing, they

682
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Speaker 1: had knowledge of it, and they chose not to manage

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Speaker 1: it fairly. Something's got to change. You have to have

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Speaker 1: somebody in an authoritative power position that you respect. And

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Speaker 1: I don't think you can have one person head up

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Speaker 1: the NCAA. I think you have to have a panel,

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00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: a board of directors, and then you can kind of

688
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: farm out things. You know, you start with your big business,

689
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: you know, your big moneymakers. You start with college football,

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00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: you start with college basketball, and then you can have

691
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Speaker 1: some people dealing with the ancillary sports there. Give them

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Speaker 1: the respect that they deserve. But you know, the ncuble

693
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Speaker 1: A that felt like they were the bully on the block.

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Speaker 1: Until they kind of looked up and went, nobody's afraid

695
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: of us. They don't do anything, They don't investigate. The

696
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 1: only time somebody gets in trouble or got in trouble

697
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Speaker 1: is Yahoo Sports or ESPN, somebody Fox Sports. They go

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Speaker 1: here it is we got a whole story here, And

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Speaker 1: then the NC double ages, all right, hey, can you

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Speaker 1: go wake up Johnny and uh and Tom Sally might

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Speaker 1: be at lunch. I don't know, see if they can

702
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 1: come on, and who's on the golf course having them

703
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: come in. We got to deal with this stuff. And

704
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: that feels like that's where we are. Yeah, Polly, I

705
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: think your point is exactly out about the tax loophole.

706
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: When there's no rules right now with nil, every athlete

707
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Speaker 1: is going to max out everything's on the table because

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Speaker 1: they know a year from now it could be different rules. Yes,

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Speaker 1: maybe not a cap on them, but a cap on

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Speaker 1: the schools to pay or to funnel the money whatever

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Speaker 1: you'll call. I think that'll be the key is, you know,

712
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Speaker 1: when when you're asking Congress to help you, like, what

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Speaker 1: do we do here? Are they going to have a

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Speaker 1: salary cap for name, image and likeness? I guess, but

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back and tell you what I was

716
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Speaker 1: told by a source who works in an administrative at

717
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Speaker 1: a big time university said, there's gonna be more cheating

718
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Speaker 1: if you cap this. Let's say a football team can

719
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Speaker 1: have ten million dollars, that's their salary cap. They're gonna

720
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Speaker 1: go behind your back. That's what they used to do.

721
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Speaker 1: So ten million can be legal up front, and then

722
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Speaker 1: you're going to have five or ten million that won't

723
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Speaker 1: be That's what's gonna happen. Gordon in Washington, Hey Gordon,

724
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Speaker 1: what's on your mind today? Hey Dan, how are you

725
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: doing today? Good sir? You had that story about Tom

726
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 1: Braiding admitting that the tuck play was a fumble. Yet yeah,

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Speaker 1: you kind of hinted that you felt sorry a bit

728
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Speaker 1: for a Raider fan. Yeah, that game game Well, I

729
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: don't feel sorry for Raider fan at all because that

730
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Speaker 1: Holy Roller play still the Dave Casper Holy Roller play.

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Speaker 1: Uh oh gosh. Yeah, but this is why I feel sorry. Well,

732
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Speaker 1: Raider fans have been toyed with for a long long time. Hey,

733
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Speaker 1: where's our team going to be next year? Carson City,

734
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Speaker 1: Los Angeles? Staying in Oakland, We're moving to Vegas. But

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Speaker 1: that play. When you hear Brady, then say it the

736
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Speaker 1: way he said. He play it again, Marvin. The other

737
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Speaker 1: voice on here is Justin Biebert. Tell me something on

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Speaker 1: it against the Raiders. Um, do I think Tom believes

739
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Speaker 1: it was a fumble? Yes, it was called in accordance

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Speaker 1: to what the you know, the rule states, it's just

741
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: a flawed rule. It was a fumble, absolutely, But if

742
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Speaker 1: you're a Raider fan, do you go? He finally admitted it,

743
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: as opposed to he won't admit it. So you do

744
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: hear it? Do you feel any better? It's like, okay,

745
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: all right, feel a little bit better. But you know,

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Speaker 1: all I know is Brady had a big smile on

747
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Speaker 1: his face. But he said it probably had one of

748
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Speaker 1: his Super Bowl rings on as well. Yeah, Paul, I

749
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Speaker 1: just went back and looked at Holy Roller Place because

750
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 1: it's a little before my time. So that's nineteen seventy eight,

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00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: is it? Raiders Chargers? Raiders Chargers is game one of

752
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: the season. John Madden was the head coach at Raiders.

753
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: So it was one of those last minute plays and

754
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: they try to do like a pitch and Dave Casper

755
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: was a really good tight end for the Raiders. He's

756
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: like faking like he's picking up the ball. He's more

757
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: tapping it forward and rolling it forward. But he does

758
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: a good job selling it. I don't even know if

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Speaker 1: there's a rule he's breaking at the time and he

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00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: falls on the end zone. It's it's a good video.

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Speaker 1: Holy Roller. Great nickname for that, the Holy Roller. Uh

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Speaker 1: Sam in Iowa? Hi Sam, what's on your mind today?

763
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Speaker 1: Hey Dan? How's it going? Good? Sir? You're talking about Westbrook.

764
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Speaker 1: You think he might stay with the Lakers. Well, I

765
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 1: definitely do. Last yesterday you were talking about Lebron where

766
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: he's gonna go a while. I thought it. I was

767
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: on the understanding he already made it clear that he

768
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: was going to go play Lebronni whoever drafted Bronni so level,

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Speaker 1: Josh Brownie, Lebron is done and that will put more

770
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Speaker 1: on Westbrook and he'll pretty much be roun the show

771
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Speaker 1: in La. Well, you're gonna have Anthony Davis there. I

772
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: just wonder, if you're Lebron, you're not going to win

773
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Speaker 1: another championship. I don't think because the West is young

774
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: and really good. I just don't see that that nucleus

775
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: there winning a championship and if you're Lebron, what's left

776
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: win a championship and play with your son on a team?

777
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: All right, Well, you're not going to be able to

778
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: control where your son goes to play if somebody drafts him,

779
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: if Orlando drafts him. Is Lebron going to Orlando? How

780
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: bad does he want to play on the same team

781
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: as his son? And he's got to wait two years?

782
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: What about contract extension? I think, uh, two years, one

783
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars for Lebron, But I wonder if he

784
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Speaker 1: wants to stay. Is Lebron and he got the six

785
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 1: six hundred million that he's made six hundred on the floor,

786
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: on the floor like salaries. I don't think anyone's over

787
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: four hundred for their career. Oh wasn't that Kevin Garnett?

788
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: Kevin Garnett? Okay, Okay, So if he signs this new deal,

789
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: all right, dude, can we play career salary game? Oh? Yeah,

790
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:56,720
Speaker 1: here we go. Club's open salaly. Salary, salal salary, sy

791
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Speaker 1: sy seven lady speed before turn. All right, Paul, what

792
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: do you have for Lebron James? Okay, Lebron James made

793
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 1: four million as a rookie. He's never been the highest

794
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,439
Speaker 1: paid player in the league any year that could find.

795
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: He's never been the highest bad player in the NBA.

796
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: That's kind of fascinating. He is currently made all right,

797
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: guess how much Lebron has made up to this point,

798
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 1: including this season. Three two hole, Hold on it, I

799
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: need a second. Okay, I'm gonna give you big bonus points.

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00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: Three hundred nine million dollars. That is a walk off.

801
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: I need you to stay, Okay, twenty minutes. Um, he's

802
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: got forty five million on the way next season, and

803
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: then you could assume, so let's say a tax on

804
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty million more, that sounds about right,

805
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: then he'll be five fifty Yeah, maybe a little more

806
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: than yah. Yeah. And then when he's made off the

807
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,439
Speaker 1: floor as well and worth it, yeah he is. Yeah.

808
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: I just I just wonder, you know, do you want

809
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: to stay and just play because it's Los Angeles or

810
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,240
Speaker 1: do you want to try to go to some other team?

811
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 1: And I think that's going to be really hard. You know,

812
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:27,479
Speaker 1: Lebron is earned over a billion dollars since he turned

813
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 1: pro in two thousand and three. If you have everything

814
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: on the court and off the court, He's had over

815
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 1: a billion dollars right now. Solid decent, yeah, pol. In

816
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 1: the past three seasons, John Wall has been paid ten

817
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: million dollars more than Lebron James threw that in there, nothing,

818
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: no fact, John. It always feels like John Wall is

819
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 1: my go to guy when I want to talk about

820
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: paying guys who shouldn't be paid. He was a healthy

821
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 1: scratch this year and made forty four million. He's owed

822
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: and there's no way out of it. Forty seven million

823
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: dollars next year, and I don't see a way out

824
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: of it. He would, I mean, he could take a

825
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: forty million dollars buyout and save the team money.