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Speaker 1: We're back with another episode of the Art Award. Today

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Speaker 1: we're in Houston, Texas.

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Speaker 2: H Town, Houston.

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Speaker 1: We got one of your own today, we got two

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Speaker 1: time world champion, one half of Lions Only. I want

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Speaker 1: to welcome to the show, my brother, Jamal Charlotte. But

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Speaker 1: I had to run you down, man, Houston, a big

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Speaker 1: city man. Had to make some phone calls and pull

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Speaker 1: some strings or brother, we got you.

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Speaker 3: I'm ready. Yeah, it's good.

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Speaker 2: It's good to reach out and touch you, man and

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Speaker 2: be in contact with you.

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Speaker 3: Bro.

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Speaker 2: Man, I appreciate you coming on.

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Speaker 1: Man and uh my first just ask you how you doing,

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Speaker 1: and then we're gonna I want.

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Speaker 2: You to take me back to the to the early years,

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Speaker 2: and we're gonna work our way back. Now, how you

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Speaker 2: been lately?

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Speaker 3: I got some little things on the way and just working.

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Speaker 2: So I've seen an announcement. You're finna be fighting, brother.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, We're going to Australia. Yeah, Yeah, we're gonna We're

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Speaker 3: gonna take over Australia and have fun.

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Speaker 2: Have you been there?

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Speaker 3: I've never been, as I looked close to it, but

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Speaker 3: I never been austra Yeah, So I'm happy about that.

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Speaker 3: I'm excited. Boxing is boxing. So it's just I'm just

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Speaker 3: still fighting, still enjoying it. So that's gonna be a

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Speaker 3: good time. You still love it, I still love it,

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Speaker 3: still in love with it. Yeah, I'm in love with boxing.

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Speaker 3: I'm in love with boxing. I'm in love with the

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Speaker 3: I'm in love with the new things that boxing bring.

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Speaker 3: And I enjoy it. I mean, I don't want to

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Speaker 3: be one of those fighters that like can't stop boxing,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, you know, I when when it's my time,

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Speaker 3: I'll be out of love with it, you know.

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Speaker 1: How the body feeling? Man at thirty six?

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Speaker 3: Man, Okay, so thirty six, but I took off like

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Speaker 3: two years and then I've been off for a year,

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Speaker 3: so yeah, you gotta get that time back and then

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Speaker 3: and then you gotta think about this. I got thirty

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Speaker 3: four fights, and twenty three of them is by way

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Speaker 3: a knockout, So I'm not even I haven't even going

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Speaker 3: the distance as much as like other people have. So

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Speaker 3: like that that kind of like, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 3: all go together, But I having fun. I love it.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing what I'm doing.

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Speaker 2: That's what's up. It's good.

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Speaker 1: It's good to see you, man, It's good to see you.

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Speaker 1: Training again, bro, you know, for it's good to see

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Speaker 1: you back in that gym for sure. And uh and

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Speaker 1: with aero too. Man. I think I think y'all helping

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Speaker 1: each other right now, just having that, you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Y'all in different places obviously in your career.

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Speaker 3: But you've been off for like three years old and

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Speaker 3: I had like so we kind of like pushing each other,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. He gave me a lot

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Speaker 3: of motivation and it's ma'am a little you know what

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Speaker 3: I'm saying rough, you know, but it's been okay to

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Speaker 3: be expected. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And both of y'all were running now, so air all

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Speaker 1: over there were running. Yeah yeah, okay, man, before we

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Speaker 1: get started brou Yeah. It is Texas heat, ain't it's

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, we ain't even in it,

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Speaker 1: Like this ain't even as hot as it's gonna be, right.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna get hot way. Yeah, this Texas heat ain't right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that's coming from somebody from California. That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: In Texas. It's not just the heat, it's the humidity.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing. Just you just gotta lock in, man, what

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Speaker 3: that look like with that sound like it take me

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Speaker 3: to ask the world. Yeah, it's a little, it's a

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Speaker 3: little real man.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna work our way back to present day. But man,

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Speaker 1: I want to, I want to. I want you to

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Speaker 1: take me back to uh y'all. Born in Louisiana, raised

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Speaker 1: age town, Right, yeah, okay, take me back to earlier

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Speaker 1: early years. Man, what was what was nine year old

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Speaker 1: eight year old Jamal Charlow?

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Speaker 3: Like? I told my mom, Mom, we you're not rich,

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Speaker 3: but just actrig We're gonna get there. She went to

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Speaker 3: the gym with me every day, She went to every

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Speaker 3: find unconditional love NonStop. I lived in a two parent household,

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Speaker 3: my dad and my mom and my dad. We did

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Speaker 3: every project together. We trained together, We studied you together.

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Speaker 3: Vonnu's mounta Rosian that that that that oh folk class

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Speaker 3: was like monumental. My dad fought one of your best friends,

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Speaker 3: and your best friend made not ever wan a box.

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Speaker 3: I fought on the same card as my dad out

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Speaker 3: here in Houston, Texas for really. Yeah, we fought in

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Speaker 3: the Golden Gloves together, and I fought before him. I

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Speaker 3: fot to this guy named Emanuel Dela Cruz. I fought

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Speaker 3: Atmanual Dela Cruise in the Amateurs. This is an amateur fight,

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Speaker 3: and I want I wanted the Golden gloves. But my

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Speaker 3: dad fought on the same day and we was we

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Speaker 3: was here Houston, Simony some yeah, yeah, was in the

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Speaker 3: same car. Man in the Amateurs. That's crazy. I probably

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Speaker 3: was like like what I'm saying, Like fourteen fifteen was

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Speaker 3: Pops at that time, right thirty four, that's crazy man,

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Speaker 3: he was. He was spawing you. But I'm over here

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Speaker 3: training with my dad because you was about to fight it.

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Speaker 3: You know, you want to go medal, you want to

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Speaker 3: go meddle. And it was like two thousand and four,

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Speaker 3: it was like Athens.

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Speaker 2: Man, that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Bro, tell me about we're gonna be talking about your

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Speaker 1: twin years to do it in and out. But I'm

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Speaker 1: saying the same way we see y'all now with y'all

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Speaker 1: like that back then, competitive getting at each other.

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Speaker 3: Fighting much, arguing pretty much pretty much. That's my biggest competitor. Mhmm.

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Speaker 3: But he mind, that's my love. If he catch a cold,

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Speaker 3: then I catch a cold. We shared the same symptoms,

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Speaker 3: but we always been each other's like he's my role,

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Speaker 3: his role now I'm just big charlot, you know. So

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Speaker 3: I always had to take the big brother role because

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Speaker 3: he was the the the baby brother.

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Speaker 1: But like, what's what's the what's the difference of time

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Speaker 1: that y'all came out? Is he really trying to accept

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Speaker 3: I mean he's supposed to. He's supposed to you, But

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Speaker 3: I mean it is what it is. You know, we

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Speaker 3: had we got our differences, but we we both go

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Speaker 3: through things, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now, y'all.

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Speaker 1: Also, if I'm not mistaken before boxing, y'all play other sports,

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Speaker 1: y'all in Texas, so I know football, big yall played basketball,

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Speaker 1: y'all did different stuff.

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Speaker 3: He was a cornerback on the left side. I was

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Speaker 3: a corner back on the right side. Was you playing, no, Bro?

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Speaker 3: Was you on the bench? No? I'm starting? Was you

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Speaker 3: a contributor? I was playing? I was uh putting in

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Speaker 3: the hospital. Okay, I'm just telling I was. I was.

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Speaker 3: We played for the g DG Giants in Guaranville. Cap

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Speaker 3: Warner yeah, Pop Warner. How do you know about Pop Warner? Oh?

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Speaker 3: You know California big on football. Yeah, we played big

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Speaker 3: in Texas, but you know we played Pop Warners. Yeah

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Speaker 3: we uh we who Yeah, I ran track.

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Speaker 2: How did the boxing come from that?

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Speaker 3: To that? My mama stayed in the gym, my dad

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Speaker 3: stayed in the gyne. We just we just stayed working.

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Speaker 3: Boxing was just a boxing was just what we did.

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Speaker 3: But we we we we played football, we box, we

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Speaker 3: played basketball. Ye know, I ran in track in high school,

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Speaker 3: top top athlete, just anything I can do athletic. I didn't.

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Speaker 1: When did you start realizing for you and your brother that,

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Speaker 1: you know what, like this boxing, this may be a thing.

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Speaker 3: Are we really good at this? I think when my

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Speaker 3: brother when we went to Canada, we went to go fight.

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Speaker 3: Uh my brother, well, my brother went to go fight.

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Speaker 3: He was tied with Shelley Finkel and he went to

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Speaker 3: go fight some uh black Japanese guy. And I was like,

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Speaker 3: I was just there to watch. But it was it

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Speaker 3: was a good fight, and my brother got my brother

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Speaker 3: got uh my brother got dropped and got up and

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Speaker 3: kept fighting and and it beat him.

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Speaker 1: Just amateurs a pro No this proro When y'all was young, though,

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Speaker 1: When did y'all first start realizing that man boxing could

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Speaker 1: be something for us as amateurs?

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Speaker 3: I never thought boxing could really really I never wanted

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Speaker 3: to you never wanted to buy what you mean by that?

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Speaker 3: I was great at boxing, but I never I never

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Speaker 3: wanted to Like I wasn't like a big competitor like

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Speaker 3: I was. I understood boxing and I and I was

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Speaker 3: great at boxing, but I never care for the like

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Speaker 3: development of boxing.

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Speaker 2: Who trained y'all early on?

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Speaker 3: Who Hallow Williams? My brother trained with him? Now Big said, okay,

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Speaker 3: Big said my dad, Jay Jones. You never traded Savannah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, me me and one did. We

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Speaker 1: would be in either similar weight classes and.

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Speaker 3: Went above one below. It was bigger than one.

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Speaker 1: A little bit though, Like he was like thirty two,

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Speaker 1: I'll be thirty nine.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't that much bigger. I grew later.

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Speaker 2: I grew later when we was juniors, like we would

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Speaker 2: be close to fighting. We just never fought.

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Speaker 3: Was never. Oh no, listen, I studied junior study your

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, like you don't understand, like the junior

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Speaker 1: golden gloves in Toledo. How I think we was one

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Speaker 3: I always thought she was from Houston.

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Speaker 2: Me ain saund No, you ain't studying too or.

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Speaker 3: Then no, no, I said, I always thought I always

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Speaker 3: thought he was like around Texas area. Nah, it was just.

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Speaker 2: Spent a lot of time in Texas though. When I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, j was like the moon was, Simon was from

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Speaker 3: out of here, yeah yeah, gloves mom from Beam Yeah my,

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Speaker 3: oh my Henry. Yeah, it was like always just looked

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Speaker 3: up like like, I just thought you was local. I

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Speaker 3: thought you was local. High school sweetheart, high school sweetheart.

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Speaker 3: Mine didn't work with yours, but we you went to

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Speaker 3: the Olympics. I did, but it was it was you know,

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Speaker 3: we did. I think everybody got their path.

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Speaker 1: You know, everybody got their path, everybody got their lane,

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Speaker 1: and everybody has their challenges. That's just that's life, bro,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I think about this sometimes

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Speaker 1: I'm like, man, you know what I could, I could

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Speaker 1: I could? It would the world be a better place

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Speaker 1: if it was two of me, two as opposed to one.

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Speaker 1: On some days I'm like, man, it'd be dope to

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Speaker 1: have a twin. Other days I'm like, man, I don't

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Speaker 1: know what's the twin?

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Speaker 3: Life?

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Speaker 2: Like, bro, when you're younger.

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Speaker 3: Are you your brother? Oh? No, you and your brother?

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Speaker 3: You the other one? You know what? Uh? I just

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Speaker 3: hate that you being like this obedient to this conversation.

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Speaker 3: But I didn't like growing up best between for real,

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Speaker 3: y'all twins, you hear that every day, like every day

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Speaker 3: were different people. Different people. We we we we love

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Speaker 3: each other, we understand each other. We connected, but we

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Speaker 2: Y'all. Both like that fashion, y'all like them whips y'all

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Speaker 3: You might be right. I fight hard. I fight, I

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Speaker 3: And know I missed him too. You know, I don't

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Speaker 3: But they can get like that. And in the ring,

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Speaker 3: He don't. He don't have fun as much as me. Look,

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Speaker 3: You I had a ingrown toenail, come on, bro, I'm

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Speaker 3: You missed the Olympic because of that. I had surgery.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I want I want forty

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Speaker 3: I just missed the Olympics. I mean I just and

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Speaker 3: I just was like, let's go do it. My brother

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Speaker 3: had just signed with Shelley Finkle. I didn't get a

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Speaker 3: just like, I'm gonna just I tugged it off. I'm

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Speaker 3: I'm still no signed with nobody. I did it. I

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Speaker 1: So when you turned pro in two thousand and seven, Hour,

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Speaker 3: Or was he no who you signed with initially? I

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Speaker 2: Listening minute, I thought you mean pro promotion.

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Speaker 3: You were now listening. Ever, I never signed with nobody.

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Speaker 1: Never signed a professional contract.

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Speaker 3: I never signed whatever. I did it all like this,

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Speaker 3: let me rephrase my question.

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Speaker 2: Who was helping you early on when you first turned pro?

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Speaker 2: Ronnie Shuf on the managerial side too, Ronnie Shure. Okay,

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Speaker 2: when did Al Haymen come into the picture?

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Speaker 3: When andre Berto fought, my brother fought on an undercard

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Speaker 3: I said, he gonna give me a two week notice.

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Speaker 3: He said two weeks. Two weeks. It was two weeks.

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Speaker 3: You know. I flew to Anaheid, California, and I want

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Speaker 3: to go fight. And I got my little paycheck or

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Speaker 3: whatever because it was small at the time. He got

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Speaker 3: contract like he my advisor. Okay, and and he sent

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Speaker 3: And I've just been on ever since then.

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Speaker 1: So did you sign the contract? I never had to. Brother,

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Speaker 1: I'm just asking. I'm trying to put this contract.

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Speaker 3: I never had to. You signed.

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Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to get the timeline. He sent you the money,

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Speaker 1: he said, the contract.

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Speaker 3: No, he sent the money.

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Speaker 2: Okay, he said them, I ain't need no contract, you said,

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Speaker 2: he I have to do.

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Speaker 3: Well, that was the contract. Okay, you accept that money.

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Speaker 3: That's the contract because.

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Speaker 2: I know I'll do a lot of you know, a

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Speaker 2: lot of handshake bills.

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Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, we didn't have to do all that.

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Speaker 3: He just it was good.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about the al human thing. Bro, Like, okay,

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Speaker 1: see how you're doing it? Was it like, hey, we

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Speaker 3: Wanted to see me, you want to see what's up?

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Speaker 3: And I took the fighting and we started rocking. Put

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Speaker 3: you need to get with al Hayman with us. It

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Speaker 3: our Haman got the mom with us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the al Haman experience been like the last

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Speaker 1: I don't know how many years you' been rocking, ten years,

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Speaker 1: twenty years? What's that been like? You had a lot

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Speaker 1: of rumors about our and about his fighters. What's the

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Speaker 1: truth about it? From your perspective? Things a little rough

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Speaker 3: I can honestly say it ain't the same as it

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Speaker 3: used to be. But over the years, the best thing

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Speaker 3: Our Haman is that it not. He Fisher delivered every

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Speaker 3: to keep doing it. Like he's definitely our Hayman is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, from what I've heard about, how is like if

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Speaker 1: that you know.

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Speaker 2: Follow the script.

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Speaker 3: I still haven't seen him go against somebody that he's

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Speaker 2: He is shouting people out the game. For sure it

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Speaker 1: But I'm saying that that that's considered.

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Speaker 2: Somebody that's considered I ain't saying.

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Speaker 1: No names ain't in the name some people people that

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Speaker 1: sure he didn't. He didnt squeze him off for shure.

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Speaker 1: That's the fact you think I don't know about your situation.

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Speaker 1: I'm asking you about your situation. I know about the ones.

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Speaker 1: I know about them because they're friends of mine, feel me.

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Speaker 1: So I'm asking you your experience.

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Speaker 3: I can't speak on your always showed me love. Never

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Speaker 3: really I never want against him. Never I had a man.

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Speaker 2: His foot on the neck of the game for a

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Speaker 3: Bro, and I was a part of that long time.

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Speaker 1: Twenty fifteen, you had your first title win. Talk me

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Speaker 3: My motivation came through just wanting it to be the

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Speaker 3: be the best athlete I can be. I just never waited.

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Speaker 3: And then in twenty fifteen, that was one of my

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Speaker 3: I had somebody sent me some food. It was like

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Speaker 3: And it was like okay, Senator Knaine. So they took

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Speaker 3: my whole sentence and I was like, Yo, what what's

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Speaker 3: it good? Bro? Who sent it? I never never found

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Speaker 3: out they trying to hit you with the like I'm like,

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Speaker 3: I had I mean I gotta fight tomorrow. Like you know,

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Speaker 3: that's not what I but it was. I was just

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Speaker 2: What's that feeling like?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 2: For people that don't know, when you hear in the new.

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Speaker 3: And a new born baby, you know, it's it's just, uh,

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Speaker 3: you're the champion, you know. I try not to like

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Speaker 3: like look at like belts and look at like all

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Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. Like in the meantime, I just

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Speaker 3: want to keep working. So and what's new? We're finished?

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Speaker 3: Keep working? You know, new championships? There was. I ain't man,

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Speaker 3: I can't say nothing bad about it. I loved I

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Speaker 3: I can't complain.

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Speaker 2: How is life starting to get different?

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00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 1: I know it's still a long way to go, but

435
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: you start, you know, start getting it's different to be

436
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: saying that, oh, he's a contender versus oh that's the chap,

437
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: that's the chance.

438
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 2: How did the city start changing in a good way

439
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 2: bad way after you got that that first strut?

440
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 3: Life ain't bad, but we makes some mistakes, you know,

441
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 3: along the way, and it's changing because new things are developing.

442
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 3: You know, my daughter getting older, that's my last baby.

443
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 3: When my daughter getting older. Juju's just had his birthday.

444
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 3: I don't talk to the people that I used to

445
00:26:52,880 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 3: talk to that often. I mean, life is lifeing, you know,

446
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 3: always like and this is uh. You know, you know

447
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 3: one thing that that has helped me out. The closer

448
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 3: you get to God, the better you are sure, And

449
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 3: that's just y'all might not see me as much, but

450
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 3: it's just the closer you get to God. You know,

451
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 3: you told me. You told me this two years ago.

452
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 3: Remember you remember talk We talked a lot, and you

453
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 3: told me you got to get closer to God to

454
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 3: change the person you are. And you fought one of

455
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 3: my gym makes.

456
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 2: Who wasn't who wasn't what's the name?

457
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 3: I wore your shoes the next fight against Hector muonios y'all,

458
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 3: y'all do the he sall you look. I fought, let

459
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 3: me get them shoes. Yeah, and he system to me

460
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 3: and I fought in those shoes and I said, it's

461
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 3: like like Mike when he put on Michael Jordan's basketball shoes.

462
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 3: And I put them shoes on and I said, now

463
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 3: I got the special power. Now I got that special power.

464
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 3: I ain't turned down since. Let me ask you this, bro.

465
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 2: You mentioned God, So.

466
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: When did you start getting that understanding of that revelation

467
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: about life is easier, life is more manageable when I'm

468
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: closer to God as opposed to when I'm not.

469
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 3: When I got her divorce, that that was the point

470
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 3: that's changed. That was one of like my downfalls because

471
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 3: I felt like that I dropped the ball. But I

472
00:28:55,360 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 3: got better. Yeah, I didn't have nobody. I couldn't talk

473
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 3: to nobody about it. And I'm just like, I know,

474
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 3: I know, I might seem crazy to y'all, but I'm

475
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 3: just going through something. And we got a divorce. Mm,

476
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 3: I lost all my kids. I went on a hotspeed

477
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 3: chase in my Lamborghini, just tweaking. I just keep seeing

478
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 3: mugshots in me, But that's not who I am. I

479
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 3: just I was just going through something and I made

480
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 3: it out of it because I gave my life the craze.

481
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 2: Was that something you did, just you and God. Somebody

482
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 2: that was there to say.

483
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 3: God, that's it. My relationship with God might not be

484
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 3: like your relationship with God. As long as I got

485
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 3: you know, and I went to Penstacola, Florida. Me and

486
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 3: Roy Jones went to work. I went back and fought

487
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 3: Ben to be there, and then I left Vina Videz

488
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 3: and I went back and farther. I'm back on, I'm back.

489
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 3: I gotta get my mind right. I gotta get my

490
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 3: mind right. Nothing's gonna change this. This is gonna where

491
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 3: it's gonna change that record. We're gonna keep winning. Man,

492
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 3: That's just what it was, man. So you feel like

493
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 3: you know something like that.

494
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: Man, It's like I've never been divorced, but I've been

495
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: around people that's been divorced, and I've seen seen the fallout,

496
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. In some ways, it looks

497
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: like almost like a death, you know what I'm saying,

498
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: Where it's like good days, bad days, and it's like

499
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: there's a morning period. And it's like with grief, you

500
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: never you never move on from it, but you move

501
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: on with it, like you just get better dealing with

502
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: the pressure of what happened. You said you better now

503
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: you really feel like you've gotten to a better place,

504
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: Like you out of the you know that that the

505
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: darkest point that you win.

506
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 2: And you see some more light now.

507
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 3: A lot of all right, just you just turn around.

508
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 3: You never turn back. You just you just keep developing

509
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 3: more and more. You never just look back at it.

510
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 3: And it's hard to explain it to somebody that's never

511
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 3: dealt with that. But I had never dealt with it

512
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 3: before either, And then when I was dealt with it

513
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 3: for the first time, it was just like it was

514
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 3: just like something I had to just get better with.

515
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 3: You know, I don't talk down on her, and I'd

516
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 3: rather be friends with her. But then it's moving to

517
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 3: a point where like I want to be my brother's

518
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 3: best friend. But guess who's my best my brother best friend?

519
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 3: She is my ex wife. Oh man, dang, but I'm

520
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 3: not mad. And the best friends at least you can

521
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 3: be that's them.

522
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: Dang, bro, that's a woof that's the one right there.

523
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: What you mean like currently present day, they.

524
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 3: Still best friend. He go to the house and ain't

525
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 3: got to go even to the kids go over there.

526
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 3: I don't get to.

527
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: But you have said though, during this period though your brother,

528
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: you and your brother became closer.

529
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 2: So he was there from what I understand what I heard.

530
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was not like I was there for him.

531
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 3: He was there but he got his situations that don't

532
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 3: like me, like he don't uh, and I'm trying not to.

533
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you take it to do what

534
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 3: you do. But his girl don't like me. Okay mm hmmm.

535
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 3: Y'all seen on the internet when she fought my baby

536
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 3: Mama and Kayler Plane slapped me and it was like

537
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 3: a we're finn run into it. That's when I was

538
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 3: going through it. So, I mean, he never did nothing.

539
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 3: Now make it better. I just keep fighting it. It

540
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 3: just keep getting better. I'm not I'm telling you, the

541
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 3: closer you get with God, the better you get. I

542
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 3: just gotta get closer to God. The better you got. Well,

543
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 3: who you.

544
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 2: Got in your life that you can call and get

545
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 2: the truth.

546
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 3: From, that's it. That's a that's a I can call Vaughn,

547
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 3: I can call Sky you get the absolute truth, Scott,

548
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 3: I can call von I can call my mama. I

549
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 3: call my dad. I called Grains. I can you want

550
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 3: me to keep going because I can call Ja.

551
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: I'm just glad you got some people though. That's all

552
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: lesson bro mm hm. Sometimes in the situations people like

553
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: I ain't got nobody, and I'm just glad that ain't truth.

554
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 3: No, No, I can call. I can call people, I

555
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 3: can call run and ships, I can call. I mean,

556
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 3: I have people to call. Okay, But well I call

557
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 3: that's the question, that's the question. Well I call them.

558
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 3: You gotta make it on your own. You gotta get

559
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 3: it about that. You got to get about them tretches.

560
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 3: Sometimes you gotta just do it on your own.

561
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 2: Sometimes you do. Sometimes you can't.

562
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 3: Feel me. Yeah, how you make it this far?

563
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: How did I make it?

564
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 3: This word? You got some time? Bro? Bro, it's man

565
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 3: short story. Man is.

566
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: Complete surrender of my life. You know, I don't know

567
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: if you've know my full story. Maybe maybe you did

568
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: because you said you studied it. But and I've talked

569
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: a lot more about it the last few years.

570
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

571
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: But I almost didn't make it, bro, Like in real life,

572
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: you know, before I en't touched any money, Like I

573
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: was tripping and uh man, God was coming, he was

574
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 1: coming after me, like I felt the pressure of him,

575
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: like closing in my space.

576
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 3: I wasn't gonna be out on the streets loan.

577
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna be no career criminal and all that

578
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, no career womanized he just wasn't gonna

579
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: allow me to do it.

580
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 3: And I had the.

581
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: Good thing and the bad thing for me at that

582
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: time was I had people praying for me, bro people

583
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: that can actually get through the God. So I say

584
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: bad because I thought it was bad at that time

585
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: because I'm like, y'all all this praying, y'all doing, y'all

586
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: making my life hard right now because y'all keep saying stuff.

587
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: Vergers say stuff to me, and it come true. My

588
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: mama say stuff to me, it come true. It was

589
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 1: really the best thing for me. But at that time, yeah,

590
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: for sure, Yeah that came. That came very early in

591
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: my pro career. But maul I was not going to

592
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: make it if I didn't go with God. It's just

593
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: not It just wasn't. Whatever's on my life, my particular life,

594
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 1: he was not going to allow me to be that

595
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: apart from him.

596
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 2: I felt that deeply.

597
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: So the first part was me saying, man, I'm sorry

598
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: for how I've been living, I'm sorry for everything that

599
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: I did running from you, and I give you my life.

600
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 2: That don't mean everything overnight. It was a process.

601
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: But then he'd bring somebody into my life and I'm

602
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: like my pastor vergers.

603
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 3: There.

604
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 2: I had a.

605
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: Handful of men in my life. My mother was doing

606
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: good at that time, so and it was just a community.

607
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 1: And then I started getting strong in the walk and walk.

608
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: Still needed them, but walk on my own.

609
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 3: Man.

610
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 1: Then it was just a process and I kept getting

611
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 1: stronger from there, bro. But it started with surrender though.

612
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: It started with me giving up. Because if I didn't

613
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: do that, bro, and had any type of success, this

614
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: was me with no name, no money. You give that

615
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: guy a little bit of money, a little bit of fine.

616
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, brother, all bad. So it was gonna

617
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: be his way or it wasn't gonna happen. So yeah, bro,

618
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 1: that's that's like that. That's my story, brother, Like I

619
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: was not gonna be able to do it my way.

620
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: That's just what it was, you know. But I'm gonna

621
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:44,439
Speaker 1: tell you this though, and I had so much more

622
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,919
Speaker 1: peace doing it his way.

623
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 2: Don't mean it wasn't without challenges, you know, because when

624
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 2: you when you.

625
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: Openly speak about your faith like that, like I'm not

626
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: just saying God, I'm saying Jesus, Oh, You're gonna be

627
00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: a target.

628
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 2: You're gonna be a target.

629
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: You gonna have people that dislike you and don't know

630
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 1: why they disliking you, just something about him.

631
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is.

632
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: So I didn't deal with a lot of that stuff

633
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,919
Speaker 1: throughout the course of my career offline, in the business room,

634
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: well networks, different things. And I'm not saying I didn't

635
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: have good treatment too, but what I'm saying, you're gonna

636
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: run into stuff like that. So that stuff comes with

637
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: bearing that name too, and he think you all that

638
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: or how many act like? All of that kind of

639
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 1: stuff come with it because when you say you serve

640
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: God and you really trying to serve him, you become

641
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: less relatable to some people because you seem like you

642
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: think you got it up, you everything is perfect, but

643
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: it's not. I'm not. I didn't come to God, brother,

644
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: because I got it together. I came to God because

645
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: I was broken. And I know what it feels like

646
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: to drink and not be able to control it. I

647
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: know what it feels like to pop pills. I know

648
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: what it feels like to wake up and be like,

649
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: I'm not. I can't face this day. So I can't

650
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: face my father's death that just happened, sober I can't

651
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: face I don't want to box. I don't want to

652
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 1: do all this stuff. This is what I want to

653
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: do right now. Know what that feeling feels like. So

654
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: that's what happened me running.

655
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 3: Him and keep Today right now is my auntie funeral.

656
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 3: Sorry for your lost and that's fine, thank you. And

657
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 3: I'm I'm here with you because somebody needs to hear.

658
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 3: And at the time is I have to have somebody

659
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 3: there to been to. I want to. I want to

660
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 3: have a drink right now. I want to. I want to.

661
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 3: I want to drink from my aim, you know, and

662
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 3: I don't need that. You know that sometimes you just need

663
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 3: a little piece. You know. You You're stronger than a

664
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 3: lot of people. I'm looking at you right now and

665
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 3: I I can't believe you fight at one sixty eight.

666
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 3: You said that it's cheated. It's cheated. What you mean

667
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 3: it ain't no way I look big. I mean you're

668
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 3: not boxing. Now. I'm saying you don't have to like

669
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 3: lo weight.

670
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 2: Don't look fat, door, No, I don't look out of shape, door.

671
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 3: No, that's good. I'm just checking you. Don't look out

672
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 3: of shade.

673
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: Sometimes you be thinking you look a certain way, and

674
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 1: people got to tell you what you do you think

675
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: I look at right?

676
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 3: But now you can see that you I'm asking a question. Listen,

677
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 3: I said, you don't look bad. What you want me

678
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 3: to say, But I'm.

679
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: Trying to understand what you mean about you're not making

680
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: a way what you want me. I'm trying to understand.

681
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 1: So you're saying I look too big to be making

682
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: one sixty eight.

683
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 3: You wasn't. There's no way you was fighting at one

684
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 3: seventy five. I did.

685
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 2: Now I cannot make one seventy five right now, though.

686
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,760
Speaker 1: If I had to make seventy five, it's not happening.

687
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,919
Speaker 3: That was seventy hours seventy five the other day. Yeah,

688
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 3: that's dead.

689
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: I don't care how much it ain't happened.

690
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 3: You can't make seventy four. You can't make heavyweight? Yeah heavyweight,

691
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 3: well that's two hundred plus. You can't make light him.

692
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: I could do cruiserway if I cut off my arm,

693
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:20,479
Speaker 1: I'm makes seventy five.

694
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 3: I need both my moms, so I can't do that.

695
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 3: But you can't do sixty eight at all. Never bro ever.

696
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 3: But the last time I was on sixty eight, how

697
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 3: was your style compared to Why am I interviewing you?

698
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: Talk to me, brother, start, come on, just having a conversation.

699
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: I told you I was talking to me, but I

700
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: want to see if you know your stuff about me.

701
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 2: Talk to me.

702
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 3: How is your style compared to being a videos compared

703
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 3: how would your style go against being in videos like

704
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 3: at sixty eight or seventy five? Because he had like

705
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 3: like heavyweight, it's a.

706
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 2: Hard start to beat it.

707
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: It's a hard start to beat because of the length,

708
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: the reach and the volume.

709
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 3: I think hold on thee.

710
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's slightly different because he's not throwing as

711
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 1: many punches. Heavier punches, but not as many. But he's

712
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: super sharp too. That's one thing that got me caught

713
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: up in the first fight. I'm like, they talking about power,

714
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: power product shark.

715
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 2: He hitting me, I'm like, how you hitting me?

716
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: But Ben, if he is, you gotta have great feet,

717
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: great timing, You gotta have great distance range, and then

718
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: you gotta be you gotta have some bite down.

719
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 2: In you to get that respect.

720
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: So you gotta you gotta have that bite down too

721
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: to get your respect, and then you gotta go back

722
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: to boxing.

723
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 2: But go ahead, like them glasses.

724
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 3: What about white White? You didn't falt Canelo before?

725
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: I retire, Like the Canelo thing was never a conversation.

726
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: Never a conversation, not even close in weight class. Never

727
00:42:58,280 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: a conversation. I think the prices of people talking about

728
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: it wasn't like real. It only became a conversation when

729
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: he fought covid Ab and stopped covid Ab. That's the

730
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: only time my name started getting getting lined up together.

731
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 2: And I said this before.

732
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: That's the only time since I retired that I was

733
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 1: like leaning in, like, hey, if you saved my name,

734
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 1: I'm picking up the phone. That was the only time

735
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: and this eight year period, and they asked him, who

736
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: you want to fight out there?

737
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 2: Talk to my team? So I just left it alone.

738
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,479
Speaker 2: But people like can ill loduct you here.

739
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 3: What about I'm saying, I know the weight difference, but

740
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 3: it could have a fifty four. It could have been

741
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 3: possible because you was at sixty eight.

742
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: Never possible, you know for how you know, look, look,

743
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: look how boxing this now though? I know, but you

744
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: know Florida down yea. I will put that on Floyd

745
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: while we talking about it. What you think about when

746
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: you see some of the stuff that's in the headlines

747
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 1: right now with Floyd and then you see the comeback?

748
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 3: What's your throat?

749
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 2: That at his age almost.

750
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 3: Fifty fighting pack y'all? Nobody know what Floyd is doing?

751
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 3: You know? Do we believe in Jesus? His daughter? Yah,

752
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 3: y'all need help? Do he raise his kids? Uh? He

753
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 3: take care of their grandson. But I mean, whether it's

754
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 3: just I mean they say old taxes. Uh, I'm still inspired, Brom,

755
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 3: you know, I'm still I still think Floy men with

756
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 3: it is the the greatest of all times. You know.

757
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 3: Still I don't have nothing bad to say about Florid.

758
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,479
Speaker 2: Do you want to see him fight at fifty? Would

759
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 2: you prefer him to be staying with.

760
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 3: He did? George wouldn't won another world title he did?

761
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 3: He did what's old to y'all, Like you know TAM's

762
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 3: Crawford just gotta build it with thirty eighty eight? Come on, man,

763
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 3: what's old to y'all? But no, Harkins did it at

764
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 3: what forty five? It's just whatever you believe in. I

765
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 3: don't mind Floyd Mayweather doing what he's doing, but his

766
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 3: lifestyle has changed. He's not he that's we call him

767
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 3: Floyd maywhether he not money Mayweather and he not pretty

768
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 3: boy Floyd and he not. You know what I'm so,

769
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 3: you know it is what it is. Yeah, I was

770
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 3: Diego Karalities type of fan. Yeah, that's my era.

771
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: He gonna go get it, die gonna go get it.

772
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was one of them type of fans. I

773
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 3: liked Ao Korals, I like Mickey Ward, you know, I

774
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 3: like them type of guys, like you know Floyd Like

775
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 3: the flashy stuff is fine. But I just keep my

776
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 3: business off the internet. I'm giving y'all a little bit

777
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 3: right now because that's just part of, you know, my life.

778
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 3: But I'm giving y'all a little bit right now. But

779
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 3: I don't care about your business. You know. Love your life, yea,

780
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,439
Speaker 3: live your life, yeah, and do you do? You don't.

781
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 3: Everybody ain't got to be on that, like, you know

782
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 3: what I mean, Like, this is what it is.

783
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: I mighta switch gears back to the to the Pro

784
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 1: Career twenty sixteen. Man, you and Julian Williams. It's a

785
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: lot of back and forth. I don't know if it

786
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: was genuine bad blood, but it was tension for sure.

787
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: Coming into the fight. Jamal and his brother know exactly

788
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: who I am, you know what I mean, But he

789
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: gotta fight me. Now he's to fight me at vacate Jamal,

790
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: stop being a girl and step up getting all that

791
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: free money, Stop being a girl and step up and

792
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: fight me, Turkey.

793
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 3: I'm sure what your mouth Charlo is watching. We'll see

794
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 3: what he has to say about that. Congratulations, Jerald.

795
00:46:59,040 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 2: He won't say nothing.

796
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 1: Talk me through that fight and how what did what

797
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: did the the tension come from leading into that fight?

798
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 3: I trained hard for Julie Williams fight. He was an

799
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 3: upcoming prospect and I was a reigning defending champion and

800
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 3: one day we fought on the same card and he

801
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 3: went to go Sonum just so happened. I went to

802
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 3: the same sunum m and he told me that, uh,

803
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 3: let's let's do what we gotta do. And I was

804
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:46,240
Speaker 3: just like, uh he was with Breadman and I'm just like, hey, bro. However,

805
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 3: it happened, and I farll hard. I trained hard, and

806
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 3: I worked on the same combination every day every day

807
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 3: lead up to that fight, and every day, like I

808
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 3: always worked from that conversation, and I caught his punches

809
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 3: with my hand and delivered the same hand because there's

810
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 3: no way he can get his hand back, and that's hisstue.

811
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably one of the.

812
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: The cleanest, coldest like uppercut counters like that, because when

813
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: I watched that fight, lean up there, you buzz him,

814
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 1: I think in the second round with a jazz. But

815
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: from that point until when the fight ended, y'all really

816
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: was just rumbling, Like y'all wouldn't like toe to toe,

817
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: but you would like go toe to toe and y'all

818
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: back up, regrouped, and y'all a fight.

819
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 3: They don't look like a lot of.

820
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: Times that, like when you your defense is like I'm

821
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: not saying you don't have defense, but you don't mind

822
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 1: getting hit to deliver your shot.

823
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 2: That's what I noticed from you and your.

824
00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 3: Mock Dude, I mind, I don't want to get hit what.

825
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,439
Speaker 2: You're saying, but I'm too busy watching what you're doing.

826
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 3: No, I mean, I'm gonna do my thing, but I

827
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 3: don't want to get hit either, because you ain't like

828
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 3: to get never, okay, then never what you mean? Don't mind?

829
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 3: Don't explain it? So you not getting out the way?

830
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 3: You you? Yes, you you getting.

831
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: Grays Like all right now, I'm about to come back

832
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: with mind just like that that uppercut you hit him with.

833
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 3: I blocked it. You did. None of that touched me.

834
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 2: But y'all was rumbling up until that point though.

835
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 3: I just watched the fight again to day. We were stop.

836
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 3: Y'all was thumping. It was not rumbling, though. I want

837
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 3: you consider what you and alock whatever the name is.

838
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 3: That was rombling. That's what I blocked both shots? What

839
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 3: do you throw?

840
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 2: What did he throw?

841
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:54,919
Speaker 3: One? Two? Okay, you just said you watched the fight.

842
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: I did, But I gotta getting clarity on that because

843
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: it was it's a tough exting.

844
00:49:58,160 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 2: I didn't know if he led with the right word

845
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 2: into it.

846
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,959
Speaker 3: One too, and then I was able to go under.

847
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: But you got to punch the mentality. You don't think

848
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: boxing first.

849
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 3: Bro, it's a dang bro.

850
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 2: You look like you're trying to knock somebody out.

851
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 3: Bro, you like knockout? I like that, brother. Want I

852
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 3: want to sit there and box with you, and then

853
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 3: you throw most of your shots they'd be hard, my boy.

854
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 3: You're trying to knock something out. Yeah? Am I seeing

855
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 3: this right? No, you're right. I don't go for the knockout.

856
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,439
Speaker 3: You're trying to go for the knockout. But you can't

857
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 3: call the jab a knockout. Nah, I knocked out a

858
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,919
Speaker 3: couple of people with just the jab, So you can't

859
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 3: call that a knockout. No, that's I had like fold

860
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 3: knockouts with just the jab.

861
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that Texas strength. That's just no, it's not.

862
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:48,720
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm trying to get a better company.

863
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:53,479
Speaker 3: That's God, get the ability. We'll take that. Yeah, we'll

864
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 3: take that.

865
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 1: After that fight, Look, it's a statement.

866
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 3: Fight.

867
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:01,479
Speaker 2: Business is booming? How your life at that point? After

868
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 2: the Julian Williams fight.

869
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 3: I got married right after right after that, before that, okay,

870
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 3: I went to the uh the car lot, and I

871
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,720
Speaker 3: told him that I want a Rose Royce. They ain't

872
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 3: believe me. So I went to the bank and I

873
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 3: win and got a whole bunch of money. I told

874
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 3: him to get me the Rose Royce. They gave it

875
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 3: to me the same day. I went. The next day,

876
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 3: I went put down on a condo I was living

877
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 3: in in the nice. I was already living good, but

878
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 3: I just wanted to buy like two or three condos.

879
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 3: I took my annual trip to Hawaii. I always go

880
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 3: to Maui and then me and the kids all I

881
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 3: went to Hawaii. Life is just lifing. It wasn't like.

882
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 4: It wasn't like I did anything extravag That was a

883
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 4: lot of extravagant. You just name right there, Rose Royces.

884
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 4: They're not believing you're going to get stack of cash.

885
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 4: It's not average people's stuff.

886
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 3: I wish somebody would have taught me not to do that. Yeah,

887
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 3: you never did that? What part Rose Royce Park? You know,

888
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 3: just when they got the whole because just just do

889
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 3: whatever you want to do. Wow, this andre Ward. Yeah,

890
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 3: I'm still trying to be It was on fight night.

891
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be andre Ward twenty thirty forty years later.

892
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: Oh that's all feel me. I'm not saying I ain't

893
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: bought nice stuff. I don't bought nice stuff, but I

894
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: ain't did that. What type of business man is Jamal Charlow.

895
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying, at the negotiating table, you'll be giving in.

896
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: At the negotiating table, you negotiate hard.

897
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 3: I negotiated alright, put.

898
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 2: Your foot down like I'm not going for that. It's

899
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 2: the number.

900
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm not. I don't. I don't got to

901
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 3: talk about it because I ain't. I'm not the one

902
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 3: who's thinking on it. Yeah, but I definitely give my consent,

903
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 3: but I don't have to really talk about that. I

904
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 3: got lawyer team getting it done. Yeah, yeah, all kind

905
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 3: of stuff like that.

906
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: So you took you know, we talked a little bit

907
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: about it in the beginning, man, just going through life,

908
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 1: dealing with the life stuff. And then we didn't see

909
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: you for two years, right, so then we see you

910
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: against Jose Benavidez, which was dope.

911
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 2: But I was happy to see you back, bro, that

912
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 2: was cool.

913
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,479
Speaker 1: Like we don't talk like that, you know what I'm saying,

914
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: but like I'm watching everything, So it was dope when

915
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: I seen you on the headline. I seen you come back,

916
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 1: and you did come here six pounds overweight. Talk about

917
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: that though.

918
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 3: I wasn't six it was three three, okay, because they

919
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 3: gave me the contract and I was supposed to be

920
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 3: making one sixty three one sixty four. Yeah, but when

921
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 3: I made the one sixty three one six, I wouldn't

922
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 3: have I wouldn't really have did it. But when I

923
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 3: did it, they they said it was supposed to be

924
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 3: at one sixty So then that's why I went over

925
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 3: three pounds. But it was like they this is what

926
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 3: they told me. Yeah, I still got those text messages

927
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 3: in my phone right now. I didn't I never miss

928
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 3: wait like I don't never do. I've never been unprofessional.

929
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 2: Because that was the first time ever, first time ever in.

930
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 3: My I never missed wait. I would have made one

931
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 3: sixty if they would have said one sixty, but I

932
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 3: didn't have to make it. But you look good for

933
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 3: being off for two years, bro. I know the two

934
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 3: years is crazy.

935
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 2: I expect you to be more rusty.

936
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 3: The two years is crazy. I mean three years is

937
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 3: even more crazy.

938
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 2: Three years even more crazy.

939
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 3: You know that was the only fight that I actually

940
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:46,959
Speaker 3: went to my bedroom and watched them and just yeah,

941
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 3: I don't watch my oppunish you for sure, you watch

942
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 3: your sure you watch like everything they do. But what

943
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 3: if you get a different style.

944
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: It's possible. I need to see enough. Like I don't

945
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: watch every single fight. I don't even watch a full fight.

946
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:03,919
Speaker 1: I just need to see the beginning to fight, maybe

947
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 1: the middle, and in the end. Then I'm good.

948
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 2: I put it down.

949
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't really study like that. I let my

950
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 3: coach study. He tell me what he looking at and

951
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 3: what he do, and then I just make my adjustments

952
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 3: when I fight. The best champions are the best adjustment makers,

953
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,959
Speaker 3: so I make one of the best adjustments. I don't

954
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 3: really I don't really like focus on that, Like I

955
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 3: have to make the adjustment in the ring because I'm

956
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 3: only going to be fighting by myself, So just make

957
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 3: the adjustments.

958
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I think about if I get a

959
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: different style, right, Like I need to know basically what

960
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: you like to do, and then if you do something different,

961
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 1: I got to be able to make that adjustment. I

962
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: trust myself to be able to make that adjustment. Feel me,

963
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: But talk to me about this Canelo thing. Bro, what

964
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, the opportunity comes for you to fight Canalo?

965
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 2: How did that opportunity initially come?

966
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:05,280
Speaker 3: He had no fight, no opponent who Okay, I wasn't

967
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 3: in uh I wasn't. I wasn't in good health conditions.

968
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 3: I was going through divorce, so I had to I

969
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,919
Speaker 3: had to leave and come back, and I was going

970
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 3: through a little situation. So I was just just like,

971
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 3: maybe it's not the time, because you want to be

972
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 3: in perfect condition and perfect health whenever you step in

973
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 3: that ring. And I was not in a right mood

974
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,280
Speaker 3: to even get up and go run.

975
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 2: You what you just didn't have.

976
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 3: I just lost my kids, just got a divorce. Just

977
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 3: it just it wasn't just the right time. I called

978
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 3: my brother and I told him, let me tell you,

979
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 3: you got to go up and wait, we gotta go

980
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 3: to sixty eight. That's what big Shaw but and he

981
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 3: did so you I mean, it was a brodie. How

982
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 3: hard was that?

983
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 2: Though I wasn't hard at all.

984
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:13,879
Speaker 3: It was.

985
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 2: How long would it take you to finally say I

986
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 2: can't do it?

987
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 3: It took a couple, maybe a month or two. And

988
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 3: I was just kind of like, at first I was

989
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 3: gonna try to do it, but I didn't want to

990
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 3: go out there and embarrass myself and not be at

991
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 3: my peak, you know. And I just didn't do it.

992
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 3: I just said it's okay, I don't gotta be uh

993
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 3: my troe man. And I just didn't do.

994
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 2: Took a lot to turn down that bag too, for.

995
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 3: Sure, a big bag. And I just sometimes not all

996
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 3: about the money. For sure. I'm rather my piece of

997
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 3: rather my happiness than I'd rather be jamalsh All of

998
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 3: the way I wanted to leave Jamalshaw. I wasn't happy.

999
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: I respected more respected too, And then you kept it

1000
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: in the family though I kept it in the family.

1001
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 2: It did your brother hesitate at all?

1002
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 3: He couldn't. Yeah, you couldn't.

1003
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: Did you have concerns for him making that kind of

1004
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: jump against a dude like that?

1005
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I just didn't know what to expect, you know.

1006
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 3: I I, uh never really been a big fan of

1007
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 3: Canelo by no, He's an awesome, great champion, like top

1008
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 3: of the world. Like I've never been like a person

1009
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 3: to study him. When I watched him fight Kerminson Tron,

1010
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,919
Speaker 3: I watched some fight some other fighters, and I thought

1011
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 3: even I was staying. He fought Austin Trout. I fought

1012
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 3: Austin Trout. Uh, we fought some of the same fighters.

1013
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 3: But I didn't think that my brother would. I didn't

1014
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 3: know my brother's game plan because I didn't talk to

1015
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 3: my brother, so I didn't know his game plan. Well,

1016
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 3: I just didn't know his game plan. I mean, coach

1017
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 3: Derek was barely training him. I was going down to

1018
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 3: Dallas and turning with coach Derek too, and I didn't

1019
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 3: know his game plan. I didn't know what he possessed,

1020
00:59:55,480 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 3: Like he had his girlfriend giving him instructions in the corner. Uh,

1021
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 3: he just wasn't focused to me. Yeah, well I'm focused

1022
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 3: to me, but.

1023
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 2: You thought not long after that against Benavidea is right?

1024
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, like several months ago, like like right out of there.

1025
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 3: Brother was already focused and I was trying to with

1026
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 3: ROYD Jones come back training around here like I was

1027
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 3: in Pensacola, And I mean, yeah.

1028
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: How did you find a motivation several months later? You

1029
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: just got into a better place.

1030
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 3: Got into a better place, and just I wanted my respect,

1031
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 3: so I went and got it.

1032
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 2: What is your identity?

1033
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 3: Ma?

1034
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 2: Outside of boxing? Who is Jamal Charlotte outside of boxing?

1035
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 3: Happy? Fun? Uh, enjoyable living life, just flying. I just

1036
01:00:55,920 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 3: way better than you think. So I'm happier to you.

1037
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: They just got They just got you paying for that

1038
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 1: high end stuff that y'all think I'm.

1039
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 3: Paying for this ship.

1040
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 2: But I'm talking about identity.

1041
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 3: Though, Oh I'm just messing with you.

1042
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 1: I'm talking about like who are you outside of If

1043
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: you don't have boxing tied to your.

1044
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 3: Name, if I don't have boxing, I'm.

1045
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 2: Just Jamal Charlo? What Jamal Charlo?

1046
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 3: Who? I'm just Jamal Charla. That's it, did Jamali Charlotte.

1047
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 3: I'm gonna beat me. I'm stiff for about men. Just

1048
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 3: just a workaholic, just went a grind when don't get it?

1049
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 3: Is it hard being a lion all the time? No, No,

1050
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 3: it's not no, because you can eat, you know what

1051
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 3: you come with, Like y'all know how to approach me,

1052
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 3: jamal charlo. Okay, you like that, like I adn't know,

1053
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 3: I don't know, second guessing nobody.

1054
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: But you feel like being a lion every day?

1055
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, yeah hmm. You feel like being the son

1056
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 3: of God.

1057
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's a little bit different.

1058
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 3: I need be in the line a little bit.

1059
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 1: I ain't got I ain't gotta be to I ain't

1060
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: to be like that some guys.

1061
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 3: Look, I don't want to do that.

1062
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 2: Some days I don't want to be that. That's just

1063
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 2: you know. Some days I don't want to do that.

1064
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 3: You know what, be a line, just be you know,

1065
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 3: some days.

1066
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 1: You just don't want to be the face card, the

1067
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: front man, the guy gotta be strong all the time,

1068
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: the one I gotta have an answer when I gotta

1069
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 1: figure out.

1070
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 3: That's not in my that's not in my buzzom. I

1071
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 3: don't want to. I rather be strong every day. Respect,

1072
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 3: I'd rather be strong every day. I'd rather just thug

1073
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 3: it out. Yeah, I respect it.

1074
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 2: I got two more for you, brother, dud.

1075
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 3: What is your legacy?

1076
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: Or maybe a better question is what do you want

1077
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: your legacy to be outside of boxing?

1078
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 2: Again? Take boxing out of out of the equation.

1079
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 3: I got like you keep saying that, but I never uh,

1080
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 3: I never wanted to be an undefeated fighter. Okay. I

1081
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 3: just want to be a hard worker. Okay. I don't

1082
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 3: have to be undefeated. It's too late. Though.

1083
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 2: That's over it. You're that, you're him.

1084
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 3: I don't have to do though you already are?

1085
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 2: You put Pauls on too many people, My.

1086
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 3: Boy, I didn't design it to be an undefeated fighter.

1087
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 3: I just want to be a hard worker, got you.

1088
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 3: I just want to be great? Yeah, I got you.

1089
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 3: Just all I respect that. I'm not. I'm not. I

1090
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 3: don't care for the undefeated chemistry. But what Jamal do next?

1091
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 3: What's the next? I want to give to the next

1092
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 3: generation something that I never got it. So I don't know. Yeah, just.

1093
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 1: You know, respect it, bro, I've had to face that reality,

1094
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 1: you know, the last eight years. You know, so I

1095
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 1: talked a good game. I don't want to just do

1096
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 1: this too long and all that stuff.

1097
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 3: Is true.

1098
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:33,439
Speaker 1: When I say I talked to good game, I don't

1099
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 1: mean it like I was. It wasn't real what I

1100
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 1: was saying. But when you got to really stand on that,

1101
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 1: like when I'm away from the sport, when I don't

1102
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 1: have the gym to go to now to to to

1103
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 1: let off some steam or to hide or to get

1104
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 1: away from life, it gets real when I don't have

1105
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: that mission.

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01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 3: Now to like to what you do, man, a lot

1107
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 3: of I.

1108
01:04:56,040 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 1: Just changed my mission, so that same drive, really say business,

1109
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: my youth past, I'm a preacher, my husband, my father,

1110
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 1: a businessman, part owner of a business.

1111
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 2: Like it's a lot. So it's the same. It's the same.

1112
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 3: Uh. We always were talking about let it yes speak

1113
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 3: when you ask me question, I gotta finished, Okay that

1114
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 3: you always did.

1115
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I'm saying like when I retired, so I

1116
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 1: became a minister and I became I had a platform

1117
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 1: for show. It just became a little bit more official,

1118
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:32,479
Speaker 1: you know, a little bit more official. But yeah, same drive,

1119
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 1: just different mission, that's what it is.

1120
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 2: Same dress.

1121
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 1: So the same person you're saying, I just want to

1122
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 1: be great. It's the same desire, just a different mission.

1123
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 1: It's not boxing it can't be boxing forever.

1124
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 3: It can't.

1125
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 2: It cannot be.

1126
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:46,439
Speaker 1: It should not be, because then we're gonna be trying

1127
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 1: to have a conversation. I'm be like, ma, what you brother,

1128
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 1: And we don't want that for none of us, you

1129
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.

1130
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 2: So it's just same drive, different mission.

1131
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 1: I tell people all the time, I wish retirement on everybody,

1132
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 1: but I wish the hiring.

1133
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 3: On nobody's looks.

1134
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 1: It's a it's a beautiful thing, but it's some days

1135
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 1: it gets spicy.

1136
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 2: My best day, I'm like.

1137
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 1: Brother, you set in a new tone. You're doing what

1138
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 1: a lot of guys having done. It's an example for

1139
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: the guys coming behind you on a bad day. I'm like, brother,

1140
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 1: what did you do? And why did you walk away

1141
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 1: at the time you did? But I wouldn't regret I

1142
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 1: don't regret it though.

1143
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 3: You know.

1144
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 1: It's a blessing, man. So I appreciate you taking the time,

1145
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 1: big dog, and I got your line again, Bro, like

1146
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be tapping in with you.

1147
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 3: Appreciate it, man, be tapping in with you, brother, pulling

1148
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 3: for you, Bro.

1149
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna always tell you the truth, bra out

1150
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 1: of love. I don't care how you feel about it,

1151
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 1: because I can fight too. You can't just like beat

1152
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 1: me up.

1153
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 3: You can't just.

1154
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 2: Get mad at beating me up.

1155
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 3: We're both from on sixty day.

1156
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 1: I don't like too much. I'm about two hundred. Look man,

1157
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 1: I'm hoigh he hot, my face red, he sweating.

1158
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 3: Look we done. Man.

1159
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 2: I appreciate y'all tapping in with this.

1160
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 3: Man.

1161
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 1: You know, this is the hordest interview ever, literally literally

1162
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 1: and figuratively. We're gonna have conversations and it's not always

1163
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 1: gonna be neat and pretty.

1164
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about real life.

1165
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: And it's a blessing that that, you know, Maul would

1166
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 1: even talk about these things openly and publicly. And uh,

1167
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 1: it's not easy for me to ask some of these

1168
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 1: questions because they heavy questions.

1169
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 3: There's real stuff. So we just.

1170
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 1: Appreciate y'all tapping in and uh yeah, like I said, man,

1171
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 1: we hot. We're gonna go get some real AC because

1172
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 1: the AC is not working up in here. It's another

1173
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 1: episode of the art of world. We appreciate y'all.