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Speaker 1: Fish and Filtered Episode seventy seven, a couple of days

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Speaker 1: away from the Major League Baseball Draft, also a couple

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Speaker 1: and the Martins playing good baseball. It was it was

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Speaker 1: a rough last two games, but aside from that, they're

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Speaker 1: my friendly coast, Isaac Zoo, founder of Fish on first,

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Speaker 1: Eli Sussman as well, Isaac, how we doing. I know

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Speaker 1: you're you're you're in your flu game, but you're gonna

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not so much the food, just a little bit

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Speaker 2: in the sense that they had the two wins secure

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Speaker 2: the first two games, the offense looked to be carrying over,

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Speaker 2: and both of those guys were not able to keep

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Speaker 1: Well, we could start with the with Sandy, who struggled

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Speaker 3: I don't think so either. I am also feeling confident

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Speaker 3: He's still terrible at holding on base runners in a

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Speaker 2: It would have been indefensible to now let him get

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Speaker 2: There's also a bunch of mental mistakes on his apart,

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Speaker 2: This guy has not completed six innings since July twenty

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Speaker 1: I'll stay with you with Sandy. You know, once thought

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Speaker 2: Well, he's not dying, right, that's McCalla said. He is alive,

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Speaker 2: he's healthy. It is another good thing. He's allowed fifteen

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Speaker 2: It's it's tough to watch. You did have that nice

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think I'm like curious because like you

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Speaker 1: Contra pitching every fifth day. He's been a liability. They

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Speaker 3: every possible game and Sandy, you're the weakest link right now.

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Speaker 3: I think it's more so the All Star break comes,

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Speaker 3: But I don't think there's an urgency to that. Unless

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna do MVP cy Young, Rookie and Newcomers.

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Speaker 3: VP FIRSTA Otto was the other name that came to

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Speaker 1: Is he who's the last one I hit thirty homers

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Speaker 1: A lot of people have to remember they they literally

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Speaker 1: him enough. The way he's pitched is incredible. He has

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Speaker 1: yet to walk over four guys I think in outing

435
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Speaker 1: last start for him, didn't walk out one. Awesome to

436
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Speaker 1: see against the Twin against the Brewers, and man, this guy.

437
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Speaker 1: I think Isaac said it best, like we've been waiting

438
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Speaker 1: for so long to say, you know, to see this

439
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Speaker 1: version of Edward, and they took a little longer than

440
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Speaker 1: it should have, but finally got to see it. Hopefully.

441
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Speaker 1: I guess if you're a Marlins fan, you would hope

442
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Speaker 1: Graburra stixed around for for a very long time for

443
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Speaker 1: the next three years in this uniform, in the Marlins uniform.

444
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Speaker 1: But I yeah, this guy is awesome. I don't think

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Speaker 1: he'll get any sim love, but he's been great. He's

446
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 1: been great, and maybe the dark quarters pick for next

447
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 1: year SIAM, who knows, But for now, he's definitely the

448
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 1: first half SIAM winner for this team. And yeah, I

449
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Speaker 1: mean you could. There's a couple, maybe a couple other options,

450
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Speaker 1: but overall it's it's easily Cabby.

451
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Speaker 2: Uh. I agree, it'll be Ed Greberta, But I'm gonna

452
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Speaker 2: give a different answer here. I think my site team

453
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Speaker 2: cy Young is gonna be none other than Ronnie Henriquez,

454
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Speaker 2: the relief pitcher that mister Peter Bennix also grabbed off waivers.

455
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Speaker 2: He leads all major league relievers in strikeouts, and he's

456
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Speaker 2: doing this while being on pace to more than triple

457
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Speaker 2: his career high innings pitch. His career high to go

458
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 2: into this season was nineteen innings in the major leagues,

459
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Speaker 2: and he's already thrown forty four innings for the Marlins

460
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Speaker 2: this year. He has been used in all sorts of

461
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Speaker 2: different ways by Clayton McCullough. He's been using the second inning.

462
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Speaker 2: He has been used as a closer. He has been

463
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Speaker 2: using multiple multi inning relief situations and he is doing

464
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Speaker 2: this while striking out thirteen batters per nine innings. His

465
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Speaker 2: eer rate sits very pretty at two point sixty six.

466
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Speaker 2: He has really been able to avoid these rough, lengthened

467
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 2: stretches where he's just not getting guys out. I think

468
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Speaker 2: it was maybe one two appearance stretch where he pitched

469
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Speaker 2: a little bit poorly, but another situation where where would

470
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Speaker 2: the Marlins be without Rodnie Henriquez. This guy, they have

471
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Speaker 2: him for four more years of control. He's also a

472
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Speaker 2: dark horse, unlikely Canada to be dealt. But for me,

473
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Speaker 2: this guy deserves a little bit of team cy Young

474
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Speaker 2: love for that first half.

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Speaker 3: I'll go with Eddie for team Sayong here. Just the

476
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Speaker 3: volume of endings that he's pitching is a lot bigger

477
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Speaker 3: than Enriquez to this point, and the consistency now going

478
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 3: back two plus months is astounding. It's really important for

479
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Speaker 3: this team where you have a couple spots in this

480
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Speaker 3: rotation was we touched on before that are not providing

481
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Speaker 3: length or quality in Sandy and Quantrille and the reason

482
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Speaker 3: why they've been able to be somewhat successful over these

483
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Speaker 3: recent weeks. It started with the starting pitching being able

484
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Speaker 3: to go deep into games and prevent runs, so that

485
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Speaker 3: Eddie's been able to do it, so that has set

486
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Speaker 3: up everybody else for success in a way that I

487
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Speaker 3: think is really meaningful. So just the adjustments that he

488
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Speaker 3: has made really stand out, and you got to give

489
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Speaker 3: it to him. Another one where you just didn't see

490
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Speaker 3: it coming because he started the year, but yet another injury.

491
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Speaker 3: His first year starts off the il we're not good

492
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Speaker 3: at all, and then since then there just really has

493
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 3: not been a single stinker in the bunch. If you

494
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Speaker 3: want to go back, a dozens arts are so with Cabrera,

495
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 3: So to me, it's a runaway with him taking advantage

496
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Speaker 3: of some injuries. Ryan Weathers is somebody I think a

497
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Speaker 3: lot of us felt very high on entering the season,

498
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Speaker 3: but he's now had his own injuries, missing a lot

499
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Speaker 3: more time than Cabrera did. And then he'd even looked

500
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Speaker 3: at one point like Max Meyer had shown some big

501
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 3: strides that he had made and unfortunately those went away

502
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Speaker 3: pretty quickly now due to his own injuries. I just

503
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Speaker 3: want to also shout out Jansen junk As in a

504
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Speaker 3: smaller sample. He's been amazing too. Another guy acquired for

505
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Speaker 3: essentially nothing on a minor league free agent deal, made

506
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Speaker 3: it to the big leagues pretty quickly in the season,

507
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Speaker 3: and he looks like he's gonna be sticking around for

508
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Speaker 3: a while, mainly due to just how he very confidently

509
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Speaker 3: attacks the strikes.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's do a newcomer. There's a lot of them,

511
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Speaker 1: and Eli took my answer. I'm going with Jansen Junk.

512
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 1: He's been awesome. He said it got here minor league

513
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 1: free agent deal, was awesome during spring training. Unfortunately, I

514
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: think like a little back issue that really set him

515
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Speaker 1: back and wasn't able to make the open day roster.

516
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: They went to Connor Gillespie. We know how that went.

517
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Speaker 1: And Jansen Junk just throws strikes like he's attacking the

518
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Speaker 1: zone NonStop. He's only walked I think four total hitters

519
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 1: all season, and he had walked. He walked too in

520
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 1: the same game in his last start against Cincinnati, and

521
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: he even noted like that wasn't his best stuff. That

522
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 1: wasn't his best outing by no means, but he got

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Speaker 1: through it and he gave the Marland six innings, which

524
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Speaker 1: is a career higher ties a career high for him,

525
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Speaker 1: and he's just been great and it's just attacking the zone,

526
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Speaker 1: getting the Marlins eating innings. And I think we'd noted

527
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Speaker 1: it either on a live stroom or somewhere like this

528
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Speaker 1: is the guy that you know who knows they're having

529
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Speaker 1: him start games like all of a sudden, maybe he's

530
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Speaker 1: a trade target. I doubt it. I think he'll stick

531
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,199
Speaker 1: around for the remainder of the season. See what happens

532
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: next year. But no, this is this has been great.

533
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Speaker 1: Another guy who's just worked in long relief as well.

534
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Speaker 1: He's been through it all this year. But yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: that's that's my Newcomer of the Year. I think it's

536
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Speaker 1: the right choice. There's a lot of options, but I

537
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Speaker 1: got to see one for Rookie of the Year at

538
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Speaker 1: the end. But Jason Junk Newcomer the year, all.

539
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Speaker 2: Right, newcomer, first year in the Marlins organization. I would

540
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Speaker 2: have gone with Kate Gibson. So he is ineligible. My

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Speaker 2: answer is, oh boy, my answer is going to be

542
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Speaker 2: he Roberto Hernandez. It is his perst season in the

543
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 2: Marlins organization. He has really played incredibly well. He's been

544
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 2: batting cleanup. He's been batting third, he's been batting second,

545
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Speaker 2: and overall he's got a nine to seventeen ops in

546
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Speaker 2: twenty eight games played. He's got eighty two plate appearances,

547
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Speaker 2: he's slugging five twenty seven. He's even got a few

548
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Speaker 2: home runs bat in there, while being able to play

549
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 2: all right defensively. That's another guy that did not cost

550
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 2: a lot to acquire, and he's someone that's mainly getting

551
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 2: his at bats against lefties. We know that, but he's

552
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Speaker 2: he's done a great job. And that's my Newcomer of

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Speaker 2: the Year.

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Speaker 3: I'll go with Ronnie for Newcomer or the Year on

555
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 3: my end waiver claim entering spring training, he still counts

556
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 3: for this award, not quite rookie eligible, because of the

557
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 3: experience he's had during his Twins tenure. Yeah, to me,

558
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 3: he really stands out most of all because he's been

559
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 3: part of the team throughout this entire season. Maybe one

560
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 3: week in there that won pretty badly for him during

561
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 3: one of their previous road trips in June, and then

562
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Speaker 3: aside from that, it's just been dominant in a way

563
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 3: that is a whole lot of fun. The fact that

564
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Speaker 3: he has several different ways to get guys to swing

565
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 3: miss and the Marlins have come around so using him

566
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Speaker 3: in high leverage situations. His role was kind of uncertain

567
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 3: early in the year where they were using him a lot,

568
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Speaker 3: but sometimes in some unusual spots. And even now he

569
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 3: finds himself there's not like a set ending. Sometimes he's

570
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 3: closing games. Sometimes he's coming in in the fourth inning.

571
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Speaker 3: Sometimes as we're speaking, his most recent appearance was down

572
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 3: six runs in the sixth inning against the Reds. That

573
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 3: was weird. So I still don't totally understand how the

574
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Speaker 3: Marlins are using him. Credit to him always staying ready

575
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 3: and just being extremely productive when he is.

576
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Speaker 1: On the bed already last one Rookie of the Year

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Speaker 1: going to Augustine.

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Speaker 2: I think it's the right choice.

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Speaker 1: Many many wanted him in the Derby, wasn't gonna happen.

580
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: Many wanted him to be an All Star, wasn't gonna happen.

581
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: But hey, he just still wouldn't Hookie of the Year,

582
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Speaker 1: and he certainly has a shot. He's been great, he

583
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: has a lot of power. Fortunately defensively it's been a

584
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Speaker 1: rough go for him. Think if he really made the

585
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Speaker 1: move the first or DH or full time DH. I

586
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 1: think his value offensively would certainly rise, and it would

587
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 1: rise even more than it is at right now. But

588
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Speaker 1: I think the most impressive thing with Augustine is just

589
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: the hard contact that he makes. Every out is allowed out,

590
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Speaker 1: no matter it's a lineup, it's a ground out, whatever

591
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: it may be, it's allowed out. I think there's still

592
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: some things he needs to work on. The approach could

593
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: be a little bit better. He's striking out. Actually it's

594
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: actually be impressed neny percent. It feels like a lot more.

595
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: He's swinging a lot, I think is the best way

596
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Speaker 1: to say, swinging out a lot of outside pitches. Wish

597
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: he would just attack a little bit thing, you know,

598
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: maybe make better swing decisions. But hey, and he doesn't

599
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: walk a lot. I think that's another big issue. But overall,

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Speaker 1: this has easily been the best get of the twenty

601
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Speaker 1: twenty four trade deadline for the Marlins got him in

602
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: the Jats just of junior trade. Who Jazz isn't a

603
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: Derby is an All Star? But yeah, no, this has

604
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: been so far it's looking like a win win for

605
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: both teams. Jazz has been a great player for the

606
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: Yankees despite the injuries and Augustine came up here and

607
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: looks like one of the best players on this team,

608
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Speaker 1: and we'll probably finish top two, top three, and I'll

609
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Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year voting, So credit to him, Credit

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Speaker 1: to Peter Bennick for the get and yeah this is

611
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Speaker 1: this is easily the Rookie of the Year or Rookie

612
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Speaker 1: of the mid season.

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00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. The bat has definitely come as advertised. The positives,

614
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 2: which is the elite power and the pretty decent bets

615
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: of ball skills, as well as the negatives which you

616
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 2: mentioned Kevin, the swing and miss a little bit and

617
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 2: the inability to catch very well. Unfortunately, I would agree

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Speaker 2: with you he is my first have Rookie of the

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Speaker 2: Year as well.

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Speaker 4: But if I want to play Devil's advocate, which we

621
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 4: like to do here, Liam Hicks as a higher Yes,

622
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Speaker 4: he has skipped Triple A completely and has slid in

623
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Speaker 4: and has proven to me anyway, maybe see you guys

624
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Speaker 4: as well.

625
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: He looks like one of the best pure hitters on

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Speaker 2: the Marlins team. He has phenomenal at bats. Even when

627
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 2: he's facing the few rare times that he faces the lefty,

628
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 2: he's staying in there and having and putting up great

629
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Speaker 2: at bats against tough relievers. He's coming in to pinchhate

630
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 2: laate in games he's starting, and he's catching pretty well,

631
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Speaker 2: playing a little bit of first base, not the best

632
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 2: first baseman, but he's performing very well behind the plate,

633
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Speaker 2: and he has really turned into something that I can't

634
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Speaker 2: I didn't think this was this was possible, especially like

635
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 2: I mentioned Rule five, pick police skip priple a going

636
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: straight to the big leagues, and we thought maybe it

637
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 2: would be difficult remind me to hide him on this

638
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 2: roster all year long in order not to give him back,

639
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Speaker 2: But no, he has become one of their top five

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00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 2: hitters easily on this team. So Liam Hicks co Rookie

641
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 2: of the Year.

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Speaker 1: Well the four elegos just remember Eric Wagman is a rookie,

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Speaker 1: so you can go if you want.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad that we're doing this segment because my brain

645
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 3: has been hardwired to just think about the season long

646
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Speaker 3: Rookie of the Year race, and to me, Augustine pulled

647
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 3: ahead of basically everybody in the National League relatively early on,

648
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Speaker 3: and I think he's still gonna have a very strong

649
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Speaker 3: case just due to playing time and the power he's hitting,

650
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Speaker 3: with the fact that the Marlins are investing so much

651
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Speaker 3: playing time in him that has even surpassed my expectations,

652
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Speaker 3: but in a way that it makes so much sense

653
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Speaker 3: for him to be in the lineup almost every single

654
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Speaker 3: day now. The majority of that is as a DH

655
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 3: and then he catches them about twice a week on average,

656
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 3: two and a half times for now, and I think

657
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 3: that makes you so much sense to use this developmental time,

658
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 3: even if there's still flaws in his game to this

659
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 3: point that have been pointed out. This is what This

660
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 3: is exactly the way that you're supposed to be using

661
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Speaker 3: a talent like this, and you know, hopefully he reaches

662
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 3: his full potential, more likely it's going to be a

663
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Speaker 3: few years down the road. The thing is, if you

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Speaker 3: slice it into just looking at this where we are

665
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Speaker 3: to this season at this point, you can make a

666
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Speaker 3: very compelling case that Liam Hicks has been better. The

667
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 3: playing time has been a little bit less, but there

668
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 3: was a brief stretch where he was their main catcher

669
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 3: on the team when Fortes was dealing with an injury

670
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Speaker 3: and right before Augustine got called up, so a lot

671
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Speaker 3: of shout out to Hicks. I think you can make

672
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Speaker 3: a case that Hicks is their mid season guy. I'm

673
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Speaker 3: going to go with Augustine just on the volume of

674
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Speaker 3: hitting production and the power that he provides. With Hicks,

675
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 3: there's still not a ton of power. There is plenty

676
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Speaker 3: of bats ball and a lot of discipline in a

677
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Speaker 3: way that I echo what Isaac said, it's been extremely impressive.

678
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 3: You just do not see this happen with rule five picks.

679
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 3: I'll still lean towards Augustine, not worry too much about

680
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 3: the war and the other advanced metrics, and just to me,

681
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 3: he really stands out for the skills that he has,

682
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 3: and it is really encouraging to see in both of

683
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 3: their cases for them to make such a smooth transition

684
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 3: to the big leagues offensively, because a lot of my

685
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 3: recent Mark Orland's history has been the opposite when it

686
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 3: comes to guys breaking through to the big leagues for

687
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Speaker 3: the first time.

688
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: And a lot of people need to remember the Marlins

689
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: were close to trading Liam Hicks at the Rays that

690
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: same day, like second seconds after they chosen. They're already

691
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: working on a deal to send him to Tampa, and

692
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: that deal fell through, And I think for the best,

693
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: right because Liam Hicks has been as Isaac said, I

694
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: think one of the better hitters on this Marlins team

695
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: and one of the better overall offensive rookies in baseball.

696
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: So let's move on to the draft. We'll wrap it

697
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Speaker 1: up here with that. Marlins So it's a little different

698
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: this year for I think it's the first four rounds

699
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Speaker 1: of the draft happen on Day one, which is on Sunday,

700
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Speaker 1: and then the rest of it happens beginning eleven thirty

701
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Speaker 1: on Monday. Marlins hold the seventh, forty third, forty six,

702
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Speaker 1: seventy eighth, and one oh eight pick in the first

703
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Speaker 1: day of the draft. Our guys Hector and Shawn have

704
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: been doing a phenomenal job covering the draft. Make sure

705
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: to keep following them. Hector will be there for the

706
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Speaker 1: second trait. Ye're representing Fish on first. At the moment,

707
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Speaker 1: the mock draft that we did or that they did,

708
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: we didn't do anything. They have them selecting Eli Willetts,

709
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: a prep shortstop. He's the number five rated shortstop per

710
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: MLB pipeline. He had The grades are sixty hit, forty

711
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: five power, sixty run, fifty five arm, fifty five field,

712
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: and an overall grade of a sixty. I think that's

713
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: a great guy to take. I think that would be

714
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Speaker 1: my number one just from my selections so far. Obviously,

715
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: Sean has Billy Carlson going over there, who is more

716
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: of a defensive, heavy shortstop, good hit tool, not as

717
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 1: much power. I like Willetts. I like Jojo Parker as well,

718
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: although I don't think Parker will stick up short. But

719
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: I think the pipe dream would be Willets falling to

720
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Speaker 1: the Marlins. Then there's obviously prep prep pitcher Seth Hernandez,

721
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: who would be also another phenomenal selection if he were

722
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Speaker 1: to drop to the Marlins. But Eli, I think we

723
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: spoke about best case and worst case. We've spoken about

724
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: what the worst case could be, which would be Marlins

725
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: taking Ike Irish, which we know have had some sort

726
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: of interest in the Auburn catcher, first basement outfielder.

727
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: I don't want it would be absurd to get right now.

728
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 2: That would be absurd, it.

729
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: Would But Eli, where do you stand right now with

730
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: what the Marlins should do? And just looking at last

731
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 1: year or too, we could quickly touch on that Martins

732
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: go pj Orlandoh, he's barely played on anything. He's you

733
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: can reach fifty Pro games and then the other one,

734
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: Carda Johnson. He's been horrible, Like there's another way to

735
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: say it, like he's fallen out of almost every single

736
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Speaker 1: top thirty list you know, from many outlets Baseball America MLB,

737
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Speaker 1: Pipeline fangrafts.

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Speaker 3: Like, I don't think Pipeline of.

739
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: The best. How do you say it's the best outlets

740
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: that doing this, because obviously we have our stuff. Pipeline

741
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: has their issues that they wait a long time to update.

742
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 3: But Pipeline, they have this bias towards recent draft picks

743
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 3: in their rankings, give those guys a very long leash

744
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 3: to prove themselves in the minors before really backing off.

745
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 3: So I'll be curious to see where Pipeline still has

746
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 3: Carter Johnson once they do their making their thorough update

747
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 3: in a few weeks from now, because I think he'll

748
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 3: be higher than you might expect, just based on how

749
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 3: recently he got his journey started. Yeah, this draft is

750
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 3: a lot different than last year, and I don't think

751
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 3: last year's draft class gives us a great insight in

752
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 3: terms of what the Marlins are thinking. They made a

753
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 3: pivot to PJ. Moorlando, the way that things fell and

754
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 3: the guys that they were targeting. They were targeting college

755
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 3: bats with their pick last year at number sixteen overall,

756
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 3: and the couple that they really had circled in quite

757
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 3: get to them, so they had to pivot, and they

758
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 3: ended up picking PJ Underslot, using those savings on Carter Johnson,

759
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 3: et cetera. In a way that yeah, you never really

760
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 3: it's unpredictable, in a way that maybe this year they'll

761
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 3: have to do the same sort of pivot, but has

762
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 3: played out throughout mock draft season. There is that trio

763
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 3: of shortstops that are expected to get to that could

764
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 3: get to this range, and at least one of them

765
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 3: seems likely to whether it's Willets or Carlson or Jojo Parker,

766
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 3: all three of these prep shortstops that have just a

767
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 3: lot of the same strengths and really don't have any

768
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 3: glaring weaknesses in their games, and that's the reason why

769
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 3: they're projected here. And just to be clear, there are

770
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 3: a couple of players that we expect to be off

771
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 3: limits to the Marlins that we think with a high

772
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 3: degree of confidence are going to be off the board

773
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 3: before them, Ethan Holliday being the main one. Him and

774
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 3: Kate Anderson, who had a huge spring. He's a college

775
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 3: left hander that I think he is the one with

776
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 3: the highest grade confidence that's probably going to be off

777
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:38,240
Speaker 3: the board.

778
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: And there are a.

779
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 3: Couples that probably will be looking at the college ranks

780
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 3: like Ava Arquette and Liam Doyle that there's decent chances

781
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 3: that they're gone. But aside, it is still a sort

782
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 3: of a nebulous process. This year where there is this,

783
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 3: you can make the case that from one to ten

784
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 3: that there's a huge change in ten violent level and

785
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 3: upside between all the players that are available in that

786
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 3: general range right here, which should it should lead to

787
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 3: a more boring first round than we saw last year.

788
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 3: It should be the Marlins take whoever they genuinely feel

789
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 3: as the best available player, and should be somebody that

790
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 3: roughly aligns with their slot value. I don't think this

791
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 3: will be a year where they go underslot and try

792
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 3: to maximize talent later on. This should be the way

793
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 3: that this class aligns, and how little separation there is

794
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 3: between some of these available players that they just trust

795
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 3: their process and whoever is the best on their boards.

796
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 3: It's more of a straightforward pick. So again, we don't

797
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 3: we don't know that. It is very messy every single year. Yeah,

798
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 3: between when you want to pick apart these shortstops, I

799
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 3: think the it's more likely, it seems that will Its

800
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 3: would be off the board than Carlson when it gets

801
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 3: to this point, Well, you know what, we'll find out

802
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 3: as as it goes along. So yeah, Jeff starts as usual,

803
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 3: we'll be doing a big live stream as that first

804
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 3: Crown pick is getting made. And I'm glad that they

805
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 3: condensed it into two days instead of three this year.

806
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 3: And as we've reviewed on the side, some mixed results

807
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 3: from this previous draft class, even though the top two

808
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 3: guys very little to say about what they've done so

809
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 3: far in pro ball. Further down, it does seem like

810
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 3: the Marlins got some decent value, especially with some of

811
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 3: the college players they picked.

812
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: So just from your little reaction there, eyes like, I

813
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: get the feeling that you're not totally enamored with Billy Carlson.

814
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 2: No. No, the one name that I have heard the

815
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 2: team be linked to is is Eli.

816
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: They love them.

817
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So from whatever you and I have talked

818
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: to a bunch of people, Kevin, that seems to be

819
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 2: best case scenario. I think even Hector Rodriguez mentioned that

820
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 2: that would be the best case scenario. I think best case,

821
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 2: slightly unrealistic, would be sad. The prep picture looks like

822
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 2: one of the craziest prep pictures in a long time.

823
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 2: But we shall see. I look forward to this every

824
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 2: single year. It's one of the most exciting streams we

825
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Speaker 2: have here.

826
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Speaker 1: I hope we can actually celebrate the pick for one.

827
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 1: For three years, we've all been like, right.

828
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Speaker 2: Not sure. With PJ, we were all shocked, and before

829
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 2: that we were disappointed as well. In the year before that,

830
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 2: it was Nobel Meyer, which you know, notice with him,

831
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Speaker 2: it's just not what we were expecting. Year before that

832
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: it was Jacob Barry, and you guys saw our reactions

833
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 2: on that. One year before that we expected Barry though,

834
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 2: yeah we I did hear that they were linked to Barry,

835
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 2: but it's just that.

836
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look what he's doing now.

837
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we have to listen to our good friend

838
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: Ian Smith. He warned us, like, guys, he said, you're

839
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 2: not gonna like this one. But Jacob Barry's credit has

840
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 2: been playing a little bit better, well well faking it defensive.

841
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,240
Speaker 1: I'm sorry ELI chose him in the call of contest.

842
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 2: I mean it's not out of the it's a lot more.

843
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 2: He does get sent down, then you might see some

844
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 2: Jacob Barry.

845
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: Rather, he plays.

846
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 3: He can play any position. That's the beautiful thing about him.

847
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 3: So an injury any point on the roster, he's ready

848
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 3: and willing to make that adjustment.

849
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: And he can play left field, move film in center.

850
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 2: He's playing some good second base. It's like when Hori

851
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 2: Pisada played second base for the Yankees, like that one inning.

852
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 2: It's sort of that's what it reminds me of.

853
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Already then, I think we'll wrap it up here.

854
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: As as Isaac said draft stream, I think it's one

855
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: of the best times for us. It's a good time

856
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: always there. We go for about an hour ish and uh,

857
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: you'll get all our reactions because we're going from the

858
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: start up until the Marlins pick. Maybe a little after that.

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00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: We'll have a good special guest for that one. Most

860
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: of our staff is usually on for that. Hector will

861
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: be obviously on that from from Atlanta. So we're wrapping

862
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: up here from Isaac, from Eli and myself. We'll see

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Speaker 1: you guys in two weeks. Peace out and go fetch