Speaker 1: Hey, what um dog gotta leave? This is all bull. Um.
Speaker 1: What we're gonna do is, well, we'll go through all
Speaker 1: the draft picks. Um. I might even go guy by
Speaker 1: guy on part three of Mike Pecorio. Um, but pro
Speaker 1: this is a great pod. I do want to point
Speaker 1: this out. I would have taken Jabari Smith one. I
Speaker 1: thought he's the best prospect. But if we all knew
Speaker 1: that Chad Holmgren was going to why wouldn't it Why
Speaker 1: wouldn't Orlando work out Pala Bancarro? Like, why why would
Speaker 1: you buy a car side unseen when you can test
Speaker 1: drive it right? Why would you? Why would you do that?
Speaker 1: I don't It doesn't make any sense to me. Additionally,
Speaker 1: if you did decide on Pala Bancarro, couldn't she have
Speaker 1: done a Danny ainge and traded down to three and
Speaker 1: gotten more picks. It just it feels like it feels
Speaker 1: like Orlando missed a great opportunity, even though they claim
Speaker 1: they got the guy that they wanted to get. So
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I'm starting this podcast by you know,
Speaker 1: ripping on John Hammond, who does a tremendous, tremendous job.
Speaker 1: He did a good job when he was in Boston.
Speaker 1: But I don't really understand how you go how you
Speaker 1: don't work a guy out and if he does become
Speaker 1: the guy and everybody knew Chet was going to you
Speaker 1: at least kicked the tires to is Houston going after Jabari.
Speaker 1: If they are, then you can make a trade and
Speaker 1: get more assets. It just doesn't make any sense to me.
Speaker 1: All Right, more on the draft to come. Let's let's
Speaker 1: catch up. This is Mike Procopio, who of course joined
Speaker 1: us on our last pod. Part one was really interesting,
Speaker 1: getting into the business, chasing around Rick Pettino, turning down
Speaker 1: Rick Pettino. Here's part two of our talk. So anyway,
Speaker 1: so I work out Kobe. He does the whole look
Speaker 1: me up and down thing, but like I was just
Speaker 1: amazed at the simplicity of his work and pension in
Speaker 1: detail and all the ship's real. It's not fake like
Speaker 1: a lot of NBA players have this persona. It's not
Speaker 1: fucking fake and it's just like that. So anyway, so
Speaker 1: I worked for Grover. I stay in Chicago. Grovers get
Speaker 1: like season tickets of the Bulls. I go to games.
Speaker 1: We have we have passes to go in that hallway
Speaker 1: like in the back where all the agents and stuff
Speaker 1: hang out after games. So I get to know Kevin
Speaker 1: McHale pretty well through age and being around Boston. When
Speaker 1: you use in Minnesota. They have this nickname for me,
Speaker 1: sweet Chuck from police Academy and fucking um in the eighties,
Speaker 1: right because I used to get my ass kicked for
Speaker 1: being a wise ass back and tracking back in my
Speaker 1: days in Boston. So McHale would tell me like three
Speaker 1: times a year, when are you coming to my house
Speaker 1: and hanging out? And I never hung out with Kevin McHale,
Speaker 1: And I mean, I'm I have no idea. I love
Speaker 1: Micheal bad, no idea. So I'm like, finally, goes Mike.
Speaker 1: He stopped me after the game. He said, you're coming
Speaker 1: to my fucking he doesn't square, but you're coming to
Speaker 1: my house in like a month. I want to set
Speaker 1: it up, gonna go for like a week. You're just
Speaker 1: gonna hang out, you know, come to practice, we'll talk,
Speaker 1: oop whatever. Whatever. I'm like, well, funk, let's do it.
Speaker 1: So I do it. And in the middle there, like
Speaker 1: a month before in the New York Times, they wrote
Speaker 1: about how Darryl Moray, which I worked for, worked with
Speaker 1: in Boston. Um, like, has this scouting report that he
Speaker 1: gave to Shane Battier through analytics how to guard Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 1: So one team that quote unquote shuts down Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 1: Now they don't shut him down, but statistically it wasn't
Speaker 1: that efficient. So I get a call. I'm half I'm
Speaker 1: staying McHale going to his practices and stuff, going to
Speaker 1: his games, and Grover hits me up. He goes, well,
Speaker 1: Kobe's gonna call you today, And I'm like, the fund
Speaker 1: is Kobe called me for today? He goes, well, did
Speaker 1: you read this article in in the New York Times.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I read it. Yeah, I definitely that it.
Speaker 1: He goes, well, he's you know, he wants to know
Speaker 1: because he doesn't like that ship when white people's get
Speaker 1: something on him. He's gonna ask you to like do
Speaker 1: some investigation. I'm like, god, I whatever. So he called
Speaker 1: he Actually I think he emailed me and he was like, Mike, look,
Speaker 1: I don't like when anybody has anything on me. I
Speaker 1: want you to investigate all these scouts, all these coaches,
Speaker 1: and I want, you know, I want you to get
Speaker 1: how people guard me. What what's the what's people thinking
Speaker 1: when they prepare to play to play me? Because this
Speaker 1: Houston thing, you know, I don't like it. I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, cool. So I talked to my friends who
Speaker 1: are advanced scouts, head coaches. I talked to McHale, talked
Speaker 1: to assistant coaches, and they all gave me the same
Speaker 1: idea in that same answer, well, you just gotta force
Speaker 1: him into tough shots, blah blah blah. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: if I come back to Kobe with that fucking answer,
Speaker 1: I'll never hear from the dude again. I wasn't trying
Speaker 1: to work for him. I just want to try to
Speaker 1: service a client. Because uh Grover was working with Kobe
Speaker 1: about you know, service in his knee. It was like
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, and I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: I said, I'm not gonna do that. But what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do is I'm gonna get on synergy. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: break down film of like seven games to seven games
Speaker 1: that he played against Houston. So I broke it down
Speaker 1: and I watched and literally, like batty Age just stayed
Speaker 1: on his feet. Most disciplined defender I've ever seen. You know,
Speaker 1: It's like Kawai Leonardish like stayed at his feet, contested
Speaker 1: every shot, hand to the face, doesn't follow him, stays
Speaker 1: on his feet, funnels on the yell ming, which you
Speaker 1: know is it's just this big, hulking seven five guy,
Speaker 1: you know, So it's like he takes awful shots. They
Speaker 1: collapse the whole defense. He funnels him in the yeah
Speaker 1: instead of trying to pass the ball, tries to dunk
Speaker 1: on yallae score on yell every time. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is fucked up, Like all right, not only is
Speaker 1: this a problem, and this is how they're playing him.
Speaker 1: He got Lamar, You've got You've got Trevor Reason, which
Speaker 1: isn't a great player, but there's a good catch and
Speaker 1: shoot player. He can't isolate, but you can get him
Speaker 1: in that right corner after everything collapses, straight line drive
Speaker 1: it you got pall gasol that he relocates on every drive.
Speaker 1: You never passed to him. So not only that I
Speaker 1: give him the scouting report, but I also gave him
Speaker 1: like a three page what the what's he doing wrong?
Speaker 1: Why isn't he you know, why isn't he like, you know,
Speaker 1: giving the ball to these teammates in these types of situations.
Speaker 1: So I was a little not nervous about doing it
Speaker 1: because it's the only way I know how to do
Speaker 1: it is tell him the truth. So I do it.
Speaker 1: I tell Michale what I'm doing. He goes, Dude, that's
Speaker 1: the smartest thing to tell a guy like that to
Speaker 1: do that. He sleeps, laugh and busted my balls. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: fuck it, I said, it's not like Brian scalad Green.
Speaker 1: He's asking me for this advice is fucking Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 1: I might as well go for it. And so I
Speaker 1: give him all this and he goes, all right, great,
Speaker 1: and I tell him, like, look, you gotta like force
Speaker 1: y'all to get out of the pain. He goes in
Speaker 1: the paint. You got no fucking chance. But when he
Speaker 1: gets out of the pain, he's got send up blocks
Speaker 1: for legs. He can't move. You gotta move in side
Speaker 1: to side, so you gotta get him out of there.
Speaker 1: And then you gotta move inside to side. Don't try
Speaker 1: to jump over him, but go around him. So anyway
Speaker 1: they play, he has this unbelievable game thirty plus and
Speaker 1: in the last thirty forty seconds minute, maybe pick a
Speaker 1: roll up top y'all. Switches out. He instead of jumping
Speaker 1: over and he goes around him, scores so fucking me
Speaker 1: and McHale fucking laughing about it, goes to hellle her
Speaker 1: hair from again. I go, fuck no, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: have for him again. It's a one and done. So anyway,
Speaker 1: I gave this whole scouting report. Deal. Well, he gets interviewed.
Speaker 1: About a minute later, I get a text on my phone.
Speaker 1: We got San Antonio tomorrow. I want the same thing,
Speaker 1: and literally, Doug, I would break down every opponent for him,
Speaker 1: the players that will regarding him, and the players would
Speaker 1: be guarding started, backup, backups, back up video strengths, weaknesses,
Speaker 1: stat's scouting report, plan of attack. I would give it
Speaker 1: to him at seven am every morning, his time. He
Speaker 1: would go to shoot around, then start emailing me about
Speaker 1: twelve o'clock. From twelve to about seven off and on
Speaker 1: off and on his nap. But we would talk probably
Speaker 1: all the way up to about forty five minutes before
Speaker 1: game time. And then what he would want is he
Speaker 1: wanted him after the game, and you would want um
Speaker 1: and you would want to break down of what he
Speaker 1: could have done better in the game to being more
Speaker 1: efficient and I go, why the funk are you doing
Speaker 1: this for? Well? Why why are you having your work?
Speaker 1: He goes, You're one of the only guys probably besides
Speaker 1: you know, Phil Jackson and Grover to tell me the truth.
Speaker 1: He goes, everybody else is afraid to tell me the truth.
Speaker 1: No one has ever spoken to me like that in
Speaker 1: a long time. And I like it, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: fuck it, that's what I like to do. So that's
Speaker 1: what I would do for him every year. How do
Speaker 1: you decide what you're gonna be compensated for this? It's
Speaker 1: a good question because that's that's a lot of them.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of work, right, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 1: You know that's a lot of work for one client. Well,
Speaker 1: well I didn't get paid. He offered He offered me
Speaker 1: three times. He offered me three times, and I'm fucked up, Doug,
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. A couple of things here, Hey,
Speaker 1: I wanted to learn from the best, and I was
Speaker 1: getting paid by Grover, so I'll getting my bills paid.
Speaker 1: I'm good. My wife's a veterinarian doctor. She's like, we're
Speaker 1: doing okay. I'm not married yet, but we're fine. So
Speaker 1: like I wanted to learn from the absolute fucking best.
Speaker 1: And I thought once I started getting paid, which is
Speaker 1: the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard in my life,
Speaker 1: But that was my reasoning back then. If I thought
Speaker 1: I was getting paid, then I'm expendable because now if
Speaker 1: something goes left or right, I wanted him to know
Speaker 1: that I was there for him, not for anything. I
Speaker 1: told him this my first email back and forth when
Speaker 1: he decided he want to do this, and we're not
Speaker 1: going to be friends. I'm not gonna be hanging out
Speaker 1: with you. I'm not gonna be asking for your favorite
Speaker 1: movie is. I'm not taking pictures of you. I'm not
Speaker 1: fucking asking you for shoes, tickets, anything like that. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna stay in Chicago and do this. I want. I
Speaker 1: want to be able to go back and forth with
Speaker 1: you and argue with you, and if I feel as
Speaker 1: though if we get close, I won't be able to
Speaker 1: do that. And that's just so to how it was.
Speaker 1: And he asked me like three times. He asked me.
Speaker 1: Then he asked me like at the end of the
Speaker 1: Phoenix series when they went to the finals of Boston
Speaker 1: and ten and he asked me one more time and
Speaker 1: I think that's why, fucking you know, we got along
Speaker 1: so well. Hey, I wasn't cost him any money, but
Speaker 1: he knew that all I wanted to do was fucking
Speaker 1: learned from him. I wanted to be able to work
Speaker 1: with the best, and I wanted to know how he
Speaker 1: prepares for stuff, because not how to teach people how
Speaker 1: to play like Kobe Bryant, but teach people how to
Speaker 1: prepare like Kobe, and what he did in certain situations.
Speaker 1: And I don't think there was a guy that spent
Speaker 1: more time talking to him than me, and like we
Speaker 1: he would find me out a couple of times to
Speaker 1: work him out. I think I remember doing it in
Speaker 1: two thousand and eleven, and then when he came to
Speaker 1: Chicago when he had extended period of time, if he
Speaker 1: came to Chicago and state for a few days. But um,
Speaker 1: we had an unbelievable back and forth about questions about
Speaker 1: the game, talking about old players, you know, breaking down
Speaker 1: filmable players, and just sort of the way his brain works.
Speaker 1: I think that that's worth more than any type of
Speaker 1: compensation I could have ever gotten, because you know, and
Speaker 1: again I probably should have got paid. He gave me
Speaker 1: a championship ring after two thousand and ten. That's pretty
Speaker 1: freaking cool to be honest with you, Doug. If I
Speaker 1: if I got paid eighty grand a year, ninety grand
Speaker 1: a year, whatever, like, it's given me so much more opportunity.
Speaker 1: Like if I wasn't working for Kobe, you know, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter how good I am. Development players like Mark
Speaker 1: Keaton would have never hired me. The only reason why
Speaker 1: you hired me is because Adrian will Geranowski and a
Speaker 1: few other people did huge stories on me after the
Speaker 1: oh nine Intent Championship about my work with Code because
Speaker 1: a no one's ever done that with a player at
Speaker 1: that stature and like that type of service. And it
Speaker 1: was a great story to be honest with you, a
Speaker 1: guy who scored four career high school points, who's a
Speaker 1: fucking grotesque mutant, it's fucking has the air of one
Speaker 1: of the most intense winners in our fucking generation. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it was pretty fucking cool be honest with you. And
Speaker 1: I'm not that fucking bright. I graduated with a two
Speaker 1: point oh one. It shows right now about how fucking
Speaker 1: dumb I was. I probably should asked, but I just
Speaker 1: saw where the training business was going. I saw these
Speaker 1: guys hanging out with these players. I saw see them,
Speaker 1: like taking pictures of them the clubs. Like the whole
Speaker 1: internet social media thing really didn't take off yet, but
Speaker 1: you started to see it. And I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: like that look right there. Because Grover taught me. We
Speaker 1: serviced the client. He goes, We're like the Navy sales.
Speaker 1: No one sees us, no one hears this, No one
Speaker 1: fucking talks to us. We do our job and we
Speaker 1: move the funk on. It's like the unit like that
Speaker 1: that showed the unit. It's like that. You're like Jack
Speaker 1: Bauer and that's what that's what Kobe called me. It's
Speaker 1: Jack Bauer. And like he goes, motherfucker, he goes, you
Speaker 1: get intel that I've never seen before. And I'm like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, that's what you paid me to do and
Speaker 1: not paid me to do, but that's what I do.
Speaker 1: And uh, that's what he calls me Jack Bauer. And
Speaker 1: I actually had Jack Bower in my phone for him
Speaker 1: um when he would call me. And what happened is
Speaker 1: he fucking haunted my dreams for years because, like I would,
Speaker 1: he would text me like four in the morning and
Speaker 1: I had the night Rider. You know the swoosh from
Speaker 1: Night Rider, that's his ring tone. And my wife would
Speaker 1: just roll her fucking her eyes. God for big give
Speaker 1: things to saying that. But like she goes, what's he
Speaker 1: want now? It's four in the morning, what's he want?
Speaker 1: And he would want to know about pick a roll
Speaker 1: coverage of like Phoenix or you know how how did
Speaker 1: Tracy McGrady like use his fade away against Detroit in
Speaker 1: this year? And I would have to hunt it down
Speaker 1: for him. It was unbelievable. M Um, you go to
Speaker 1: Dallas in what year? Two thousand and thirteen? Okay, what
Speaker 1: what was? What was that organization? Like the support staff
Speaker 1: is some of the best I've ever seen. Um kay, Well,
Speaker 1: Casey Smith easily is the best trainer I've ever been around.
Speaker 1: I mean he he's got presents with the players. He
Speaker 1: knows that he's doing. He's very well thought out, he's
Speaker 1: very you know, he's very focused on the job at hand. Um.
Speaker 1: Jereedy Holstsouple if their strength coach is one of the
Speaker 1: best strang coaches I've ever been around. He builds bodies,
Speaker 1: he doesn't give a funk, He just does his job.
Speaker 1: He's focused at that he'll go back at the player
Speaker 1: if he needs to. I really like working with him.
Speaker 1: Don Coxtein sports psychologist. Now most sports psychologists again like
Speaker 1: shooting coaches I've been around or completely full of ship.
Speaker 1: Don Coxtein by far like he had more as far
Speaker 1: as he off the court development players. He had more
Speaker 1: influence on my career than almost anyone else I've ever
Speaker 1: been around, because we we what happened was, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, after they won the championship in Aleven, they
Speaker 1: sort of get bit of guys and you know whatever,
Speaker 1: they're sort of like they're sort of wandering around the
Speaker 1: as it right with their roster and how they're doing,
Speaker 1: and they're young players were sort of dying on the vine,
Speaker 1: you know, Like I think the guys that developed before me,
Speaker 1: Brandon Wright did okay. You know, he he was sort
Speaker 1: of they sort of got him away from Golden State
Speaker 1: and he did okay for them. Um and we see J. J.
Speaker 1: Barea because they gave a lot of minutes he developed.
Speaker 1: Who's the big guy that uh Yana MEHEMI actually developed
Speaker 1: him a little bit. He was okay, But like for
Speaker 1: like a two or three year period, their their young
Speaker 1: guys are dying on the vine, and so what they
Speaker 1: wanted me to do is come in and help the
Speaker 1: development of those guys to to turn their young players
Speaker 1: in the assets. So, you know, I was really good
Speaker 1: on the court. I was really good talking to players.
Speaker 1: I loved it because it was a time of the
Speaker 1: NBA where it wasn't five thousand coaches that don't do anything.
Speaker 1: We had a really small staff. Most of them wanted
Speaker 1: to do game prep and they didn't want to work
Speaker 1: with the young players. Not and not nothing against them,
Speaker 1: it just wasn't what they like to do. So I
Speaker 1: loved it because now any young player I could just
Speaker 1: get to work with. Nobody was sort of standing over
Speaker 1: my shoulder. And we had guys like Jay Crowder, we
Speaker 1: had Bernard James, we had we had some young guys
Speaker 1: that were you know that they had a chance to
Speaker 1: be pretty good. So yeah, I started working. But Don
Speaker 1: coxtein what we would talk about, and he had a
Speaker 1: baseball background as well, and how to shape a development
Speaker 1: program to turn these guys into professionals where because we're
Speaker 1: developing these guys for us as somebody else, and our
Speaker 1: job is to turn these guys into from you know,
Speaker 1: we had about eighteen months to do it by for
Speaker 1: each player by turn them into a serviceable player that
Speaker 1: we could either sign long term or trade for value.
Speaker 1: And we had we implemented things that no other team does.
Speaker 1: We had a rule where, you know, young guys, because
Speaker 1: young guys, from what I was told before I got there,
Speaker 1: we're coming to practice eight, ten, twelve minutes before practice,
Speaker 1: lacing his shoes up and going. I said, that can't
Speaker 1: fucking work. So we had a rule that they had
Speaker 1: am in ninety minutes before practice, but we would find
Speaker 1: them the largest amount of money we could, which is bucks.
Speaker 1: And why we did that is we wanted them to
Speaker 1: come into the gym, get their breakfast and stuff, get
Speaker 1: to the locker, but like like see the trainer to
Speaker 1: get you know, to help with the injury stuff, go
Speaker 1: to the strength coach, get a workout in, get shots
Speaker 1: up at the development coach, watch film with coaches, and
Speaker 1: then also you know a grumpy coaches are like now
Speaker 1: the head coach like Carlisle would come in ride the bike,
Speaker 1: but I wanted them to see him in the gym
Speaker 1: or at the locker an hour and a half before
Speaker 1: practice or an hour gouil practice. Like why the fund
Speaker 1: is this guy here so worldly, this is great, Like actually,
Speaker 1: like this guy must care a little bit. So that's
Speaker 1: sort of what we wanted to do to start this
Speaker 1: professionalism by each player to develop being a pro, because
Speaker 1: if they get traded with us after year two or
Speaker 1: three to a team that has nothing invested in them,
Speaker 1: we want them to just carry that torch right away.
Speaker 1: Where they're coming early every day, they're knowing people's names,
Speaker 1: they work with, coaches are coachabo, they watching film and
Speaker 1: all that. So we started doing that, and we started
Speaker 1: turning out some really good fucking players. You know, Jay Crowder,
Speaker 1: you know, we trade for Rondo, which ends up bringing
Speaker 1: us Dwight Powell, who developed into a really good fucking
Speaker 1: role player, borderline starter, decent starter for Dallas. You know, um,
Speaker 1: you know we developed him Dorian Finney Smith, you know,
Speaker 1: brought Dorian and and you know, Dorian was a funny story.
Speaker 1: One of my best friends is an eighty year old
Speaker 1: agent named Frank Katapano, Boston guy from New York. Originally
Speaker 1: he had Dorian and his stable of players, and you know,
Speaker 1: like I remember Draft night, we had a second round
Speaker 1: pick in the forties, and I really liked him, right
Speaker 1: off the bat. I thought he could have been Michael Cooper.
Speaker 1: He just needed to develop a shot. He had the size,
Speaker 1: he had the length, He was very coachable, very sort
Speaker 1: of tunnel vision and stuff, and like I was the
Speaker 1: only guy who raised his hand in the in the
Speaker 1: draft room, I remember wanting the draft. In the second round,
Speaker 1: he got red flat for something, some small thing. We
Speaker 1: ended up taking a J. Hammon, a J. Hammond's and
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the fuck? But thankfully, like right after
Speaker 1: the draft, now, Frank told me that Miami and New
Speaker 1: Orleans had like summer league deals for Dorian already in place.
Speaker 1: So I get on the phone with him and I said, Frank,
Speaker 1: I think he could be really good here. I'll be
Speaker 1: here with him every day while watch over him. So
Speaker 1: I knew if he went to Miami he'd be a
Speaker 1: fucking star. I knew it's not a star, but he'd
Speaker 1: be really good. Yeah. I knew if he goes to
Speaker 1: New Orleans he'd probably get lost in a shuffle. They
Speaker 1: weren't very good in development plays. So I'm like, we
Speaker 1: need him. He goes all right, Well, he's got like
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollar guarantee or seventy five from Miami.
Speaker 1: I said, if he could match that or more, we'll
Speaker 1: we'll do it. I'll have to be more. So Cuban
Speaker 1: stepped up, paid him, and then we took him in.
Speaker 1: You know, that fucking guy worked hard every day, ends
Speaker 1: up getting a shot. We hired her shooting coach Peter
Speaker 1: Patton from Minnesota, who ended up working with him at
Speaker 1: a shot really helped him and really brought him along.
Speaker 1: And we just sort of had this stable of good
Speaker 1: role players him, Dwight, Maxie Clearberg, j Crowder, you know,
Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson was turn key. He you know, he would
Speaker 1: have been you know, Jalen was already set from day one,
Speaker 1: but Peter Patton really helped him and he just needed
Speaker 1: minutes to develop. He didn't need anything else, and that's
Speaker 1: what he got. And then obviously draft Luca and like
Speaker 1: like I said in my video, I put out today,
Speaker 1: a fucking basketball could work out Luca and he'd end
Speaker 1: up being a superstar. I didn't know that at the time.
Speaker 1: I thought maybe he'd be like a Druggage three point Oh. Like,
Speaker 1: the one thing about Luca I saw from day one
Speaker 1: was he's one of the top five passes I've ever
Speaker 1: seen in a week's time, like just playing with our
Speaker 1: guys in October and September. I mean, you could tell
Speaker 1: that his vision was fucking next level. Fox Sports Radio
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Speaker 1: are to listen live. What's what's Cuban like in terms of,
Speaker 1: you know, his level of involvement, because you know some
Speaker 1: of these dudes they get involved and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the owner of the the expression I know
Speaker 1: NFL is owner's own that you do all the work
Speaker 1: you want, but if the guy who writes the checks
Speaker 1: doesn't want him, with the guy who was checks does
Speaker 1: want him, that's the way it goes, right owners. Owners,
Speaker 1: Some guys, are you guys? Do you know? You do you? Um,
Speaker 1: I'll just you know, just just win and like that's
Speaker 1: that's what the Clippers supposedly, whatever it takes to win,
Speaker 1: you guys do it. I'll write the check. What is
Speaker 1: Cuban like? Cuban is sort of something in the middle,
Speaker 1: Like I thought, I've heard wars like you always hear
Speaker 1: war stories about everybody like you hear that he's like
Speaker 1: cussing guys out of the plane. Blah blah blah. He
Speaker 1: wasn't really like that. He was intense, he was into
Speaker 1: the team. He was there a lot um, but he'd
Speaker 1: be like he he didn't want to know exactly what
Speaker 1: you're doing, Like he would question you, wanted if he
Speaker 1: thought that he had a better thing, he would know.
Speaker 1: He wouldn't do it often, but he would be there
Speaker 1: a lot. He would talk to you like, pro what
Speaker 1: do you know, Like what what's going on? Like what
Speaker 1: are you working on? Who are you working on with?
Speaker 1: Like that. He'd want to know things like that, and
Speaker 1: he would ask me. He was like, look, you know,
Speaker 1: I heard about this thing on shooting or this like
Speaker 1: this this sort of you know, gadget or whatever, and
Speaker 1: then he would ask my opinion. And he would never
Speaker 1: really force feed things on you. The only thing he
Speaker 1: didn't want you to do is like mid rain shots,
Speaker 1: Like he fucking hated it. I'll tell you two things
Speaker 1: that you know, really I thought was pretty pretty, you know,
Speaker 1: pretty interesting. Hated mid rain shots. And he wanted our
Speaker 1: guys in the off season, in the in the fall
Speaker 1: to shoot two ft behind the line and that was
Speaker 1: unheard of at the time, and I'm like, Mark, why
Speaker 1: he goes, well a couple of things. Hey, it's more spacing,
Speaker 1: and be like it's more expatient to operate. You know.
Speaker 1: He also, don't shoot. You know, you're not a line hugger,
Speaker 1: you know shoot. Yeah, honestly, actually that was one of
Speaker 1: my dad's philosophies, Yeah, for a long time, which is like,
Speaker 1: don't ever shoot at the line. He should make you
Speaker 1: should make ten you know for high school kids make
Speaker 1: ten threes and every workout from from pro range, etcetera, etcetera. Um, okay,
Speaker 1: Rondo that thing went bad at the end. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: basically quit on him in the playoffs. Well, here's the thing,
Speaker 1: Ron does. I've known rondoson he was sixteen years old. Um.
Speaker 1: Steve Smith Roe Killcata is one of my best friends
Speaker 1: in coaching. I when I was I first year a
Speaker 1: Nike camp, we were were roommates and I've been close
Speaker 1: ever since. So when we get them, I love the trade.
Speaker 1: I would do the trade ten times out of the
Speaker 1: tent for a talent steppoint. You gave up Jay Crowder,
Speaker 1: you know, Jamir Nelson on his you know, the last
Speaker 1: couple of years of his career. Brandon right, you know,
Speaker 1: I pick that it didn't really turn into anything two
Speaker 1: for a guy at the time that was there a
Speaker 1: top ten point guard in the league. The problem there
Speaker 1: was he was a absolute thinker and Carlisle absolute thinker
Speaker 1: and very alpha doggish in their own ways both sides,
Speaker 1: and that wasn't gonna work. And from that standpoint, you
Speaker 1: don't make the trade, but you gotta try to make
Speaker 1: the thing work. And I think both those guys try
Speaker 1: to make it work, but it just you set him
Speaker 1: up for disaster both sides. Like you know, Rick should
Speaker 1: never coach Rondo. Rondo should never played for Rick, And
Speaker 1: what happened I think the biggest thing and it costs
Speaker 1: Rondo millions of dollars. Where like we got him in
Speaker 1: the win playoffs games and the first game we we
Speaker 1: had no chance of beating Houston. They had Dwight, they
Speaker 1: had Hardened, they had all these fucking guys, and we
Speaker 1: didn't have it. We really didn't have the firepower or
Speaker 1: the shooting like that. It's a league of shooting, yet
Speaker 1: we have you know, Rondo, Chamber, Parkson's, Monte Ellis and
Speaker 1: Tyson Chandler in the same fucking lineup, Like, that's tough
Speaker 1: to compete with shooting wise, against a team that just
Speaker 1: sucking shoots threes and lobs to the rim. So Rondo
Speaker 1: gets fifteen five and one. And you know we were,
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen five and one in game one, you know,
Speaker 1: attacked the basket, made a couple of threes, made it
Speaker 1: free throws. Not feeling good about our chance to win.
Speaker 1: But Jian did really well. Well. His plus minus is
Speaker 1: like minus twenty one. I'm not a plus minus guy.
Speaker 1: I think that that's very subjective like and in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways. And he has fifteen five and one,
Speaker 1: and then he literally sits most of the first half
Speaker 1: and he just shuts down because those guys got into
Speaker 1: it a few times. Everybody saw the blow up against
Speaker 1: Toronto and things like that. So he just had enough.
Speaker 1: And I turned on and I say raised like while
Speaker 1: he's doing this, sitting down and you know, not wanting
Speaker 1: to get back in, I go region. I know, like, look,
Speaker 1: it's fucked up. You know you didn't play. You know
Speaker 1: you're here to play and you're not playing. But dude,
Speaker 1: this is gonna cost you. This is a national fucking TV.
Speaker 1: Just get in the game, do whatever. But like that,
Speaker 1: the way his brain works is like when he shuts
Speaker 1: you down. I know that shuts it down, and it's
Speaker 1: not right. It's definitely not right. But fifteen five and one,
Speaker 1: you're pretty excited about going forward with that. And he
Speaker 1: was naking threes, like you know, the last half of
Speaker 1: the year, last thirty games or so he played with Dallas.
Speaker 1: He you know, he came in at like forty three
Speaker 1: from the line like putrid from the three last twenty
Speaker 1: or thirty games or so, he shot like seventy four
Speaker 1: from the line, and he shot like fifty two from
Speaker 1: the three on a really small sample side. But he
Speaker 1: was actually doing a little bit better shooting, making some
Speaker 1: free throws and clutch like he was doing better. But
Speaker 1: I think sitting that first half it just had an
Speaker 1: overload in his brain. And again he was he was
Speaker 1: definitely in the wrong. He's a competitor, never does that
Speaker 1: regardless if he likes to coach, doesn't like the coach,
Speaker 1: And it just really ruined the rest of his career
Speaker 1: as far is getting long term deals. Every other deal
Speaker 1: from that moment on was one year deal, one year deal,
Speaker 1: one year deal, when you deal. Well, he was at
Speaker 1: the Lakers. They said he would win shooting drills, like
Speaker 1: all the shooting drills. So what happened? Yeah, so what happened?
Speaker 1: He comes in, he works with Dirk's coach early on,
Speaker 1: and like Dirk's coach, I think, you know Hoger, I
Speaker 1: think if you work with them while you're younger in
Speaker 1: your career and you're it's like holistic medicine. If you
Speaker 1: work with them long enough, it's going to really resonate.
Speaker 1: I think for a player older in their career and
Speaker 1: you're trying to get the mid season to try to
Speaker 1: make a change, that's not the right avenue. So they
Speaker 1: tried that for like a few weeks to a month,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't working. What I wanted to do with
Speaker 1: them is raises are not change a shot, because again
Speaker 1: from Hopley, you learn, you know, you can make tweaks
Speaker 1: your shot. It's like getting operation on your knee. You
Speaker 1: could get like sort of like you know, cleaning up cartilage,
Speaker 1: or you could do micro fracture surgery. When you're trying
Speaker 1: to change you shot, it's microfracture surgery. When you're trying
Speaker 1: to raise someone arc it's like getting you know, getting cartilage,
Speaker 1: you know, flushed out or whatever, whatever the funk you do.
Speaker 1: Like with small procedure. Yeah, it will suck you up
Speaker 1: for like three weeks. But once you start getting it,
Speaker 1: you don't change your shots. So your your consistency, your
Speaker 1: your your comfort level, and your confidence is still there.
Speaker 1: It's just a couple of weeks. Gonna just take take
Speaker 1: time to get it up. So that's what we did.
Speaker 1: We finally said, hey, ragion, just get it high elbowdi
Speaker 1: your eyebrow hold you follow through and his arc got
Speaker 1: a lot higher. And then he started getting softer shots
Speaker 1: and he softened the shot up a little bit, and
Speaker 1: I thought that that makes a big impact. You. Now,
Speaker 1: it's not the cure. It's sort of like your shots
Speaker 1: like an engine. Doug right in your car and you're
Speaker 1: sucking your corrupt mechanic comes up to you and goes, well,
Speaker 1: I could change your engine for fifteen thousand. No, or
Speaker 1: it's like what was that movie A Robert rob with
Speaker 1: with with Williams? Um the fuck uh? He was a
Speaker 1: football all player. Fucking he missed the fucking ball in
Speaker 1: the state championship. Robin Williams is in it. Oh Um, oh,
Speaker 1: I know this one when they go back and they
Speaker 1: replay the Yeah when we with with with Russell with
Speaker 1: Kurt Russell, Yes, so half Taft high School. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I remember the part from the movie and I take
Speaker 1: that in my tea because I'm a big movie guy.
Speaker 1: As you know, I've already dropped like eight of them.
Speaker 1: But like he said, look, I can replace their engine,
Speaker 1: or you can put this fucking you know, or you
Speaker 1: can put this fucking like liquid into your fucking engine
Speaker 1: and for a dollar fifty and it will make it
Speaker 1: sound like it fucking runs the best best of cops.
Speaker 1: So like that's what the shot is, Doug, Like, your
Speaker 1: SHOT's your engine. You can either replace your engine and
Speaker 1: it's gonna take four to eighteen months to get you
Speaker 1: back on track. Or you can make these small adjustments
Speaker 1: around your shot. Your footwork better, your your follow through
Speaker 1: is better, your your releases high and your ark is higher,
Speaker 1: your softer, all these things where like it will make
Speaker 1: some time to to sort of get you back on track,
Speaker 1: but you don't have to gut your whole shot. That's
Speaker 1: what I thought Rondo should have done, and we did that,
Speaker 1: and we spent a lot of time. He would shoot
Speaker 1: after every home game, Like every home game, we would
Speaker 1: have to, you know, go to a little shooting routine
Speaker 1: and he would have to make five in a row
Speaker 1: at eight baskets and if he missed two in a row,
Speaker 1: he'd go back a basket and it really helped him.
Speaker 1: And he had to switch all five in a row
Speaker 1: and he really it helped him a little bit. So
Speaker 1: it was just wasn't a good fit. It wasn't a
Speaker 1: good fit. Uh, I mean, how is Jalen bruns to
Speaker 1: become this good? Like? Look? Everybody likes Jalen Brunson. He
Speaker 1: was a great college player, but it doesn't make any
Speaker 1: sense to the guy who's kind of steps slow and
Speaker 1: not big. Yeah, and it's not like he's gunned up.
Speaker 1: He's always kind of basketball country strong a little bit.
Speaker 1: But like he's gonna make a lot of money this
Speaker 1: summer without a question him make So how how does
Speaker 1: that work? Well? First of all, Like, and that's the
Speaker 1: thing why in development, Doug, it's like you're getting on
Speaker 1: a like a three lane highway. You're getting on the
Speaker 1: first thing you gotta do is an NBA player is
Speaker 1: develop your routine every day. Your routine is what's gonna
Speaker 1: take you through your struggle and your success. You gotta
Speaker 1: do the same ship every day, like being there early,
Speaker 1: getting your shots up, watching film, being coachable, taking care
Speaker 1: of your body, diet, all that stuff, Jalen, And it
Speaker 1: usually takes about twelve to eighteen months for those players
Speaker 1: to really get the routine done. Jalen Brunson had fucking
Speaker 1: zero zero problem with the routine from the day one,
Speaker 1: being early, staying late, yes, sir, no, sir, doing exactly
Speaker 1: what he so like right off the bat. He's got
Speaker 1: an edge of his play. Second of all, he's got
Speaker 1: a fucking brain in his head. He knows how to
Speaker 1: change speeds, he knows how to read defenses. He's asking
Speaker 1: questions on this bench the first year when he's not playing,
Speaker 1: he's first in the huddle like like watching the play
Speaker 1: drawing up. And you could ask Jalen, that's what that's
Speaker 1: a little trick that we did with our players, even
Speaker 1: when they especially the ones that didn't play. After Carlisle
Speaker 1: would draw something up, it's like, all right, what are
Speaker 1: we running and who's the two and why? And he
Speaker 1: would just answered, answered, answered, like he already had that
Speaker 1: culture deal already fucking set, and then the work ethic,
Speaker 1: and then working with Peter Patton, the shooting coach, and
Speaker 1: then like all he did was used his fucking brain.
Speaker 1: The game is so chaotic these days of players that
Speaker 1: take awful fucking shots can't make plays for other people,
Speaker 1: and just like just chaotic basketball through trainers, through and
Speaker 1: not all trainers, but most and through all this one
Speaker 1: on one, me, me me basketball. He didn't play like that.
Speaker 1: So he just said, Okay, I'm playing with Luka Dontage,
Speaker 1: which is one of the best passers that ever played
Speaker 1: the game of basketball. All I have to do is
Speaker 1: a make open shots when they double off me to
Speaker 1: get to him straight line drive it, make a play
Speaker 1: for someone else because Jale doesn't have great vision, Like
Speaker 1: he'll give you assist, but he's not like a vision guy.
Speaker 1: He could make the play that's in front of him,
Speaker 1: no doubt about it, but like he just makes easy plays.
Speaker 1: He doesn't complicate the fucking game, Doug, and he gets
Speaker 1: an opportunity playing because the one thing they don't have
Speaker 1: and maybe dim wit he's a little bit of that,
Speaker 1: but they don't have another guy that could really really
Speaker 1: have the ball in their hands and do along with it. Yeah, Doring,
Speaker 1: Pittie Smith catching shoot, Dwight Powell, lob got, you know,
Speaker 1: Bullock catching shoot guy. You know, like that's what they got.
Speaker 1: And Jalen could handle him, pick and roll, he could finish, floater, post,
Speaker 1: you up, step throughs, like the step through stuff. We
Speaker 1: were like, I didn't do anything with Jalen, but like
Speaker 1: I would work him out before games and we would
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time on the step through stuff.
Speaker 1: He already had it, like Villanova is huge on playing
Speaker 1: off the two feet thing. But like I thought he
Speaker 1: was gonna be like a Derek Fisher on steroids. That's
Speaker 1: why I thought Jalen was gonna be like a guy
Speaker 1: who could start be really good, tough, but he just
Speaker 1: took it to another level. And and now with the
Speaker 1: amount of money, with not a lot of free agents
Speaker 1: out there, I think he'll probably get at least twenty
Speaker 1: I would think upwards of in free agency. He did it, Doug,
Speaker 1: because you know, Rick is dad Rick which played two
Speaker 1: times over from the at Salem High School and played
Speaker 1: in the Boston Shootout and was a fucking legend in
Speaker 1: high school and you know, in uh, in basketball in Massachusetts,
Speaker 1: but like he set him in that like obviously that
Speaker 1: role player mentality of you gotta put your work in,
Speaker 1: you've gotta be coachable, you've gotta play a certain way,
Speaker 1: you've gotta be tough. And that's what he did. And
Speaker 1: the fucking kid he didn't fight it. He hit a
Speaker 1: home run with it. And now the guy's gonna get paid.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think, I think the Mavericks because
Speaker 1: if the Mavericks do lose him salary wise, they can't
Speaker 1: really make a lot of moves. So they need to
Speaker 1: sign this guy. So I think I think, like if
Speaker 1: the Troit ends up offering a lot of money in
Speaker 1: New York or what have you, I think that they'll
Speaker 1: they'll pony up up to it. I'll probably up to
Speaker 1: a certain number, of course, but I would say from
Speaker 1: twenty million, that's where that's where I see him. Um,
Speaker 1: now you're doing kind of what you did for Kobe,
Speaker 1: even for college kids now right like Max Christie, freshman
Speaker 1: at Michigan State now going to league. So now you've
Speaker 1: turned this into a business. Correct. Trying to trying to
Speaker 1: the problem with my mentality with this thing, Doug is
Speaker 1: players hate this ship because they don't want somebody actually
Speaker 1: telling me telling you what to do like not like
Speaker 1: what they're not doing well. So my video breakdowns are simple.
Speaker 1: You give me your film, I chop it up where
Speaker 1: I only take the place you're involved with on the ball,
Speaker 1: off the ball. I then like record my screen, go
Speaker 1: through the clip, stop it, rewind it slow mo, and
Speaker 1: add audio coaching to it, telling you the stuff that
Speaker 1: you do well and why you do it well, and
Speaker 1: what you're not doing well and why you're not doing
Speaker 1: it well, and on the ball and off the ball,
Speaker 1: and a specifically for shot selection efficiency off the ball,
Speaker 1: play defense, not following as much, trying to show hands,
Speaker 1: not leaving feed on perimeter shooters, like trying to turn
Speaker 1: them more efficient than basketball players. Max Christie, you know,
Speaker 1: ended up being one of the best defenders in the
Speaker 1: Big Ten, a lot of which because we worked on
Speaker 1: it about you know, closing out short, not running guys
Speaker 1: off the line, holding you know, not not leaving his
Speaker 1: feet following West and he end up being the guy
Speaker 1: that would guard the best player every night, and being
Speaker 1: he was already always an efficient player anyway. And then
Speaker 1: without like a rig Berwali, one of the best players
Speaker 1: in the w n b A again working with her
Speaker 1: on her defense or off the ball, play making place
Speaker 1: for others, you know, getting you know, getting rid of
Speaker 1: the ball, you get double teamed and respacing sort of
Speaker 1: like what Steph does, and just trying to be that
Speaker 1: person that tells me the truth every day and like
Speaker 1: I gotta I got some good clients and things. It's
Speaker 1: just where such in a trainer mentality of everybody telling
Speaker 1: you how good you are, and like you've got to
Speaker 1: be the main player, main player, main player, and everything's
Speaker 1: with the ball. Not a lot of players like to
Speaker 1: be told they're not doing everything perfectly. So my clientele
Speaker 1: is a little bit different. You know, how can how
Speaker 1: can somebody get ahold of you? How can somebody become
Speaker 1: become when your colletch email me might get who consultant
Speaker 1: stock Com? They could follow me on Twitter? Who consultants Instagram?
Speaker 1: Not a huge social media guy, but I'm on there
Speaker 1: a little bit. I'm usually making fun of Kyle collins
Speaker 1: Worth because of the diet from by U. Oh my god, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god. He's he's fucking insane. He's one of
Speaker 1: my favorite players that I've ever worked with, but he's
Speaker 1: completely fucking insane with that ship. I you know, I
Speaker 1: thought I enjoyed. I enjoyed being with him because you know,
Speaker 1: he again, I love role I I could work with
Speaker 1: any type of player, but the role player to me
Speaker 1: is somewhere I could really help because a nobody wants
Speaker 1: to work with them. Like I remember being with the Mavericks.
Speaker 1: He had guys like fifteen and our roster shooting around.
Speaker 1: We have assistant coaches walking through their court and I'm
Speaker 1: sitting there and I'm like, is anyone gonna work with
Speaker 1: this fucking guy? And I love spending time with those
Speaker 1: guys because if they're good, if they've got a little talent,
Speaker 1: you could really make a big change. And I love
Speaker 1: I love Coyle, but he's fucking completely insane with that
Speaker 1: fucking workout ship. Man. I love him, I love him,
Speaker 1: I love well. That's I think that that's the connective tissue, Right,
Speaker 1: We're all lunatics on some level, but you love the sport. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of what the connective tissue to it. Well,
Speaker 1: he got hurt, like when he was at b y U.
Speaker 1: He tours me up early and somebody got in his
Speaker 1: ear about holistic medicine, about eating right diet and how
Speaker 1: it could heal you better and it worked for him
Speaker 1: and then he just like he was all about that
Speaker 1: and that's what he was all about, and uh, yeah
Speaker 1: it was. It's it's interesting, man, it's look, this game
Speaker 1: is unbelievable. Man, it connects you with so many players.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I missed the old days of like again,
Speaker 1: the everything is so inclusive now like I loved back
Speaker 1: in the day where you have a lot of AU
Speaker 1: clubs play in like April, May, June. Then you have
Speaker 1: to qualify for things, so like July was shut off
Speaker 1: from most teams because they go to Vegas or AU
Speaker 1: Nationals and you know, and also a you get such
Speaker 1: a fucking bad name because actual AU basketball has like rules, regulations,
Speaker 1: dress code, birth certificate, background checks and all this other
Speaker 1: stuff that you see on like social media is like independent.
Speaker 1: But anyways, like you have July where you gotta qualify.
Speaker 1: You can't just write a check for playing a tournament.
Speaker 1: You had to qualify. So everybody else went to Five
Speaker 1: Star East Invitational, they went to they went to the
Speaker 1: pump camps, they went to bc BC camps all over
Speaker 1: the South. They had to go to camp and get
Speaker 1: better and play and then you get back to a
Speaker 1: stuff from the fall. But since now everything is so
Speaker 1: inclusive that you could just go to any tournament you want.
Speaker 1: Basically you just gotta write a check. It's it's crazy.
Speaker 1: There's there's everybody has a national championship, right like, wait,
Speaker 1: that's a national championship. That's that's a way which is
Speaker 1: the national championship? And um and then the hold backs
Speaker 1: double holdbacks. Oh god, Like I was a hold I
Speaker 1: just you just were I was a hold back, but
Speaker 1: I had to hold back right Like I finished eighth grade.
Speaker 1: I was five ft tall, and you know I had
Speaker 1: a new Pubert Yet, so would you do did you
Speaker 1: repeat eight? Yes? Okay, and my son is gonna do
Speaker 1: the same, repeat seventh or eighth. Here, I don't mind that.
Speaker 1: I don't find that. But you have kids that are
Speaker 1: already advanced, Like what are we? What are we doing this? Hey? PGM?
Speaker 1: Like like I'm like again, you had Max good On,
Speaker 1: which is one of my best friends, Like you know
Speaker 1: that crazy motherfucker, but like he like I remember being
Speaker 1: exposed to post graduate basketball like and again, I I
Speaker 1: read about it in like I think I've read about
Speaker 1: it in raw recruits or whatever. But like I remember
Speaker 1: something like an ad in the newspaper. Hey, Winchington School
Speaker 1: is playing m C I tonight at at Phillips Exeter.
Speaker 1: So I would drive up our hour from my house
Speaker 1: and I would watch it and I would be like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck? Like New England prep school basketball they had,
Speaker 1: you know, they mostly had PG postgraduate or seniors. I
Speaker 1: don't mind it if if like you don't get a score,
Speaker 1: or you don't get the recruitment that you want, or
Speaker 1: you need to mature and then you do the post
Speaker 1: graduate year. It's the holding back, you know, because I
Speaker 1: believe in playing up. I don't. I don't believe in
Speaker 1: being older and playing down like that. That's just easy work.
Speaker 1: And yeah that that to me is and you know,
Speaker 1: not really not really all for that. The Celtics are
Speaker 1: they close. Yeah, they're very close. Look, you've got two
Speaker 1: of the young stars in the league and you get
Speaker 1: them basically signed up. Now, the problem with this is
Speaker 1: sometimes it could be a flash in the pan situation.
Speaker 1: You've got the talent there, you got Smart signed up,
Speaker 1: You've got Robert Williams. If you could stay healthy for
Speaker 1: a whole year and add a little bit to his
Speaker 1: offensive game is going to be a huge help for them.
Speaker 1: The problem lies with this, Al Horford, can you play
Speaker 1: at thirty seven like you played there? That's the problem
Speaker 1: and that's where it diminishes a little bit. Right, here's
Speaker 1: the here's the two things the I agree like everybody believes,
Speaker 1: okay that you get a year older, you get a
Speaker 1: year wie or you notice your mistakes. Tatum develops, round
Speaker 1: develops left hand right, like all of these things they
Speaker 1: get better. What they failed to realize is like Al
Speaker 1: Horford gets a year older, he's not going to get
Speaker 1: a year better, right, So the two things would be
Speaker 1: got to figure out Horford. Yeah, and then I think
Speaker 1: that backup point guard is the most glaring portion of
Speaker 1: what they need to add. And it's not just because
Speaker 1: they need somebody to get those two off the ball,
Speaker 1: but that's the way to get Robert Williams more offense. Right,
Speaker 1: Like he's healthy, you can shut him down and get
Speaker 1: his knee right. That's a that's a roll guy, that's
Speaker 1: a rim roll gut. We just throw up to the
Speaker 1: ring and protective. You know, maybe what's the why am I?
Speaker 1: Maybe Peyton Pritchard, I just I don't know, Like, I
Speaker 1: just don't like Peyton's more of a shooter score than
Speaker 1: a guy who comes off the ball screen and throws
Speaker 1: it to the rim and can make all of those.
Speaker 1: He's not that he's the right so and but now
Speaker 1: you can get away with his defense because if you're
Speaker 1: playing with Robert Williams, right, it's that you can put
Speaker 1: a lineup and around. I think that's and and I
Speaker 1: also and I actually love Brad and think Brad is
Speaker 1: brilliant and this is a great role for it. You
Speaker 1: know that Danny built it, he's tweaked it because he
Speaker 1: coached him. He knows it. And then he had to
Speaker 1: email and emails the dude who can stare those guys
Speaker 1: down and tell, you know, telling the past the fucking
Speaker 1: ball and play defense. Right. So I think the whole
Speaker 1: thing works. But Brad has never really valued that type
Speaker 1: of point guard. Go and look at at at his
Speaker 1: teams at Butler didn't have it. His teams with Boston
Speaker 1: haven't really hadn't either, So that I think a bit
Speaker 1: of that that would be my thing in terms of
Speaker 1: tweaks is in order to get more out of Robert Williams.
Speaker 1: I agree with you at the offensive event, right, and
Speaker 1: how he nobody plays in the post anymore, and he's
Speaker 1: definitely not gonna learn to play the post at this stage. No,
Speaker 1: but he can be a great role guy. But one,
Speaker 1: you gotta tweak what you're doing offensively, which is pretty simplistic.
Speaker 1: But more importantly, you gotta get somebody who does that
Speaker 1: and knows that it can and can. Is that is
Speaker 1: that fair? Yeah? For sure. You need a Rondo, tight
Speaker 1: off the bench type of player, and that's what they're missing.
Speaker 1: They need that guy that could create of pick and
Speaker 1: roll and do that. And that's a problem. And you
Speaker 1: know that. Yeah, those two things bench, you know, bench
Speaker 1: as well as that point guard off the bench. Correct. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But then but then the problem is if that guy
Speaker 1: then again, I think you can play him with Smart
Speaker 1: because Smart so strong defensively, you know, But can you
Speaker 1: play that guy with Jalen Brown and Jason tam I
Speaker 1: think you blame with Brown. I just don't know if
Speaker 1: you can play with Tatum Like Tatum without the ball
Speaker 1: in his hands, he just seems lost. Yeah, Tatum needs
Speaker 1: to And again, you know, Drew Handlin is probably the
Speaker 1: best guy at it, you know, because he's probably the
Speaker 1: least circus of you know, he doesn't do that circus ship,
Speaker 1: and like I think that they have to spend a
Speaker 1: summer of, in my opinion, off the ball stuff like
Speaker 1: you know, cutting and you know, like giving it up
Speaker 1: early in re space. So the big play against the
Speaker 1: against the Nets was him cutting, right instead of that
Speaker 1: Marcus Mark shot bakes Game one, takes a drible and
Speaker 1: he cuts and makes an incredible finish. Like I don't
Speaker 1: think he cut the rest of the playoffs. I think
Speaker 1: you need to be able to do that. Like if
Speaker 1: you watch Steph and watch the passing and cutting, and
Speaker 1: you know, the cutting is huge and just how like
Speaker 1: Lebron when he was on Miami, like huge cutter you
Speaker 1: know again, like like it's just the cutting and off
Speaker 1: the ball game. Yeah, they gotta have to figure that out.
Speaker 1: But like like Miami's got glaring at issues, right, you know,
Speaker 1: you can't score, can't score. Milwaukee probably would have won
Speaker 1: that series if Middleton played, But they've got glaring issues too.
Speaker 1: Like every team's got an issue, thankfully for Boss and
Speaker 1: you know they you know, I don't I think Philly's tapped.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, I think they they're just sort of
Speaker 1: like they've hit it. And I don't think there's there's
Speaker 1: a story today that Kyrie is at an impass with
Speaker 1: nets of course Shaka, right, And that's the thing, Like
Speaker 1: everybody wants to complain about Kyrie, and I'm one of them,
Speaker 1: but like talent wins in this league, and somebody will
Speaker 1: put up with them again. And but the thing is, like,
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do. You're gonna play for the
Speaker 1: minimum to go to Philly if there you're an impast.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, you're an impast. But like, what are
Speaker 1: you giving up for Kyrie Irving? Are you gonna give
Speaker 1: up assets for Kyrie Irving? Maybe Miami might. Miami might
Speaker 1: give up hero for him because they said they're always
Speaker 1: about talent. But like, now you've got to figure out
Speaker 1: is this guy gonna want to stay with you? And
Speaker 1: so you're not gonna give them really anything worth a
Speaker 1: lot you like. I love Durant. I think Duran, I
Speaker 1: think Luke in my opinion, LUKEA is the best player
Speaker 1: in the league, and you know, always talked to debate.
Speaker 1: Off course, I think Durant's number two. I think Durant
Speaker 1: because he could score so effortlessly and yeah, like he's
Speaker 1: also I think Durant is this era's Kareem appool jabbar okay,
Speaker 1: and here's here's what, here's there's give it to me.
Speaker 1: His his jump shot is an unstoppable weapon, right, just
Speaker 1: like Kareem skyhook was an unstoppable weapon. He's also kind
Speaker 1: of socially aloof, right, like like Kareem socially aloof um.
Speaker 1: And I mean I think it's it's interesting again, like
Speaker 1: you can think the world of staff. They were on
Speaker 1: the same team. Yeah, for three years, there was no
Speaker 1: question who the better player was. Like, it's not really
Speaker 1: nearly as close. Now. I don't necessarily mean I want
Speaker 1: to always play with Katie. A suppose like Staf feels
Speaker 1: like a dude, you'd much better to be around for
Speaker 1: three years. But um, so I think it's like Kareem,
Speaker 1: we'd have these they have these debates over like greatest
Speaker 1: players of all time, like the guy scored more points
Speaker 1: than anybody at six titles and six m vps and
Speaker 1: like not even brought up. Now. I granted it was
Speaker 1: a different game or whatever and all that stuff, but
Speaker 1: the point is that I feel like Kevin Durant is
Speaker 1: going to always be that guy who has every like
Speaker 1: on the Olympic, we don't win the Olympics last summer,
Speaker 1: not forgiving rent no chance none. Do you get Do
Speaker 1: you get into that a lot besides like interaction on
Speaker 1: social media? But like, do you I I hate those
Speaker 1: discussions on top ten. I had a guy, Joe Boylan,
Speaker 1: who worked for the Minnesota Timberwolves. He worked for me
Speaker 1: at Grovers and you would always bring around his top
Speaker 1: fifty with I would tell, hey, Joe, shove that fucking
Speaker 1: top fifty list up, because because it's like, if you
Speaker 1: think Will champ One's the best of all time, awesome,
Speaker 1: all right? Whoever it is, like that's what you think?
Speaker 1: Why we arguing? Like okay, cool? Like if I said,
Speaker 1: how do you how do you how do you argue
Speaker 1: achemalize you on versus Steph Curry? Like how do you argue?
Speaker 1: Like what what is the what is the point of that? Right?
Speaker 1: What is the point of that? You know? Like they're
Speaker 1: all juggernauts like I I do the podcast with with
Speaker 1: Andrew Bogan, the rope Bogs podcast. Oh, he's the fucking best,
Speaker 1: and like like he he wants step from the Top ten.
Speaker 1: I'm like, God, bless here go ahead. Here's the thing though,
Speaker 1: when you put step in and that's hard and so
Speaker 1: like I got it right here. I wrote it down
Speaker 1: last night. So like again, in any order, I don't
Speaker 1: give a funk with the order is I just throw
Speaker 1: him down like Russell M J Lebron Magic, Kareem, Shack
Speaker 1: Bird Chamberlain. You know Hakim isn't there. So we didn't
Speaker 1: mention it. We didn't mention Tim Duncan exactly. Hey, d Duncan, Kobe,
Speaker 1: we don't like Kobe right though, like those and like
Speaker 1: and like you're somebody who loved respective work with Kobe,
Speaker 1: you know, just like automatic put him in the top ten.
Speaker 1: Like wait what hold on? Yeah, I don't think you
Speaker 1: mentioned Shack right and Shocked a hard one because he
Speaker 1: would never be in He would never be in the
Speaker 1: first two or three months of the season, right, but
Speaker 1: he was such a completely unstoppable physical specimen. Hey, what
Speaker 1: about your first time seeing Shock and Lse so app
Speaker 1: here's my first time. So uh, you don't know this.
Speaker 1: Dale Brown and my dad very very close. Okay, here's
Speaker 1: how close? Okay? One year I come home from I
Speaker 1: don't remember what camp it was, might have been Superstar Camp.
Speaker 1: Least be Superstar Camp. I loved that, Doug, You've gone
Speaker 1: to all that ship. I love that. Like did that?
Speaker 1: My my my brother went to b C. I. My
Speaker 1: dad would ship my brother off to the East Coast.
Speaker 1: I never did the East Coast camps. I did Superstar
Speaker 1: and I did Pumps, and then I did it and
Speaker 1: I did ABC BE two years. So I come home.
Speaker 1: I think it was after Superstar. So my teammates and
Speaker 1: Superstar Camp were Willie McGuinness and Jared hass after and
Speaker 1: then there was another dude, I'll think of it. He
Speaker 1: played at San Francisco and he was literally the best
Speaker 1: athlete I've ever played with. He was a dunking machine,
Speaker 1: a black dude like six one anyway, So I come
Speaker 1: home and set it on my couch. Are a white
Speaker 1: dude who's like six nine, looks foreign and at a
Speaker 1: black dude who's like not saying anything. So I come
Speaker 1: in and I was like, hey, man, what's up? Like, Hello,
Speaker 1: my name is Roman Rutchenko. I am here to play
Speaker 1: for your dad. This is running. He is from Mississippi.
Speaker 1: I cannot understand what she said. It was Ronnie Henderson
Speaker 1: Anderson Ronnie Henderson from Mura High School and Roman Ruschenko.
Speaker 1: And then we had a guy on my team while
Speaker 1: I'm actually coaching his son now named Brandon Titus rand
Speaker 1: It was from Guar High School, threet Us and they
Speaker 1: all went to l s U together and uh to
Speaker 1: thank my dad for delivery all these dudes. I'll never
Speaker 1: forget this. The Maui Invitational. L s US playing right
Speaker 1: and I get a I get a call from a
Speaker 1: friend of mine. He's like, hey, uh is your dad?
Speaker 1: Why is your dad? And Baton Rouge and like, my
Speaker 1: dad isn bed Rooge's in a y like He's like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm watching LSU play and your dad's sitting like right
Speaker 1: behind the bench. I go, he must have gone after
Speaker 1: he went to the Mallie Invitational, like uh, coach Brown
Speaker 1: flom out. So they were really close. So um after
Speaker 1: shocks freshman year, maybe a sophomore before he left, he
Speaker 1: had he was at the Wooden Awards and I remember
Speaker 1: the first time he played Arizona and I say it,
Speaker 1: that's the first time I saw him. Don't get on
Speaker 1: dudes and do it habit Pats, You're like, yeah, I've
Speaker 1: never seen some ship. It was like a cartoon character.
Speaker 1: You could. It was, Yeah, it was you're in the movie.
Speaker 1: Here's the movie. You're a movie guy. Weird science of course,
Speaker 1: right right when you put together all the pieces. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what Shaq was, except for he could couldn't really
Speaker 1: shoot right, but it's like like footwork, amazing, heed, lateral athleticism, right, personality, smile,
Speaker 1: look like every everything. So we go to the Wood
Speaker 1: Awards and again I think he was a guest. I
Speaker 1: think Coach Brown invitrus and I go to meet him
Speaker 1: and he shakes my hand and I got at the time,
Speaker 1: I was pretty young, but I got pretty big hands.
Speaker 1: This fucking dude's hand touched in the middle of my forearm.
Speaker 1: I was like, I remember walking away, going dad, I've
Speaker 1: never seen a human being that big in my life.
Speaker 1: I think I read about him, and my seventh and
Speaker 1: eighth grade math and math and history teacher gave me
Speaker 1: the hoop scoop when they like it used to be
Speaker 1: like a TV guy. He used to be like that big.
Speaker 1: And it had Shaquille and it it had I think
Speaker 1: it had Ed O'Bannon on the cover, and it had
Speaker 1: like Montrose and Glenn Robinson was in an unbelievab high
Speaker 1: school player. By the way, over get towards a c
Speaker 1: L is first year at U c l A. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that U c l A team was good. They
Speaker 1: got smoked by Indiana in Albuquerque, but they should have
Speaker 1: had Ed Obandon to which it reminded me of remember
Speaker 1: the movie, Uh it was off the book Heaven as
Speaker 1: a Playground. Bo Kimball was in that. He was an
Speaker 1: unbelieved player before I ripped his knee up. That is
Speaker 1: what I expected. Ed O'Bannon, Like Ed O'Bannon. That's all
Speaker 1: you heard about was Obannon. But I remember reading about
Speaker 1: Shock and then I didn't I sort of obviously no
Speaker 1: internet back then. Whatever. I turned on ESPN and he's
Speaker 1: playing fucking Arizona and it's a fucking joke, like it
Speaker 1: was a fun They just dunking and dunking and dunking,
Speaker 1: you know. And now now we're watching the Big Three
Speaker 1: and CHRISTI Action Under was still playing. It's unbelievable, all right, Well,
Speaker 1: stay tuned for part three. Reminded the Doug Otlip shows
Speaker 1: daily three to six eastern twelve three Pacific on your
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Speaker 1: Radio Dot com and of course you can download it
Speaker 1: wherever you download this podcast. I will point out I
Speaker 1: really like with the San Antonio Spurst did look. I
Speaker 1: like what Oklahoma City did. Oklahoma City got to to.
Speaker 1: Jay Len Williams is who I think are really good
Speaker 1: blended players. Jayleen Williams from Santa Clara I've seen several
Speaker 1: times in person. I don't think he's a guy you
Speaker 1: go to and hey, go get me a bucket. But
Speaker 1: you know you have Josh Giddy, who's who creates shots
Speaker 1: for people. You have s g A. You know now
Speaker 1: you have chat. You just need guys you can I
Speaker 1: mean three and d is Jalen Williams. He's tremendous. And
Speaker 1: jay Len Williams from Arkansas is gonna be I think
Speaker 1: one of those guys who's like a on the Celtics. Gosh,
Speaker 1: why am I blanking on the Celtics from the University
Speaker 1: of Tennessee that their build is obviously very, very different
Speaker 1: in terms of body type. But Grant Williams is you know,
Speaker 1: he'll come in, he'll take charges, he won't be intimidated.
Speaker 1: He can score just enough. You know you're never gonna
Speaker 1: run ISOs for him or run him off a series
Speaker 1: of staggers, but that doesn't mean he's a very good player.
Speaker 1: So I love what Oaklama City did from that perspective.
Speaker 1: And then if you look at what the San Antonio
Speaker 1: Spurs did, I don't know how you can't. I don't
Speaker 1: know you can't like what the Spurs did in terms
Speaker 1: of trying to rebuild this franchise, which has kind of
Speaker 1: been they've been very average. So hands a better version
Speaker 1: of Jayleen Williams, more talented offensively but also hybrid defensive player,
Speaker 1: tougher than hell Malich I random is going to be
Speaker 1: a really good scoring wing. And then you got Blake Wesley,
Speaker 1: you take it, and and Kennedy Chandler. This to me
Speaker 1: gives credence to the idea that they may make a
Speaker 1: change at point guard because both of the both of them.
Speaker 1: Kenny Chandler is interesting because he's kind of a Chris
Speaker 1: Paul clone, but that position, true point guard, especially under
Speaker 1: six ft tall, it's a hard win. The NBA Wesley
Speaker 1: very good downhill player. So I like what's an Antonio did. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we'll at the part three we'll talk more about these
Speaker 1: traft picks. Thanks so much for listening. I'm Doug Gottlieb.
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