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Speaker 1: What we're gonna do is, well, we'll go through all

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Speaker 1: guy on part three of Mike Pecorio. Um, but pro

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Speaker 1: this is a great pod. I do want to point

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Speaker 1: this out. I would have taken Jabari Smith one. I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't Orlando work out Pala Bancarro? Like, why why would

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Speaker 1: you want, but if the guy who writes the checks

425
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Speaker 1: doesn't want him, with the guy who was checks does

426
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,959
Speaker 1: want him, that's the way it goes, right owners. Owners,

427
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 1: Some guys, are you guys? Do you know? You do you? Um,

428
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 1: I'll just you know, just just win and like that's

429
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,480
Speaker 1: that's what the Clippers supposedly, whatever it takes to win,

430
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 1: you guys do it. I'll write the check. What is

431
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 1: Cuban like? Cuban is sort of something in the middle,

432
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 1: Like I thought, I've heard wars like you always hear

433
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 1: war stories about everybody like you hear that he's like

434
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,879
Speaker 1: cussing guys out of the plane. Blah blah blah. He

435
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,880
Speaker 1: wasn't really like that. He was intense, he was into

436
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,880
Speaker 1: the team. He was there a lot um, but he'd

437
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 1: be like he he didn't want to know exactly what

438
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,200
Speaker 1: you're doing, Like he would question you, wanted if he

439
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 1: thought that he had a better thing, he would know.

440
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,919
Speaker 1: He wouldn't do it often, but he would be there

441
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 1: a lot. He would talk to you like, pro what

442
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 1: do you know, Like what what's going on? Like what

443
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 1: are you working on? Who are you working on with?

444
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,359
Speaker 1: Like that. He'd want to know things like that, and

445
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 1: he would ask me. He was like, look, you know,

446
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,159
Speaker 1: I heard about this thing on shooting or this like

447
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,639
Speaker 1: this this sort of you know, gadget or whatever, and

448
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 1: then he would ask my opinion. And he would never

449
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 1: really force feed things on you. The only thing he

450
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 1: didn't want you to do is like mid rain shots,

451
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 1: Like he fucking hated it. I'll tell you two things

452
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 1: that you know, really I thought was pretty pretty, you know,

453
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 1: pretty interesting. Hated mid rain shots. And he wanted our

454
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 1: guys in the off season, in the in the fall

455
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 1: to shoot two ft behind the line and that was

456
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 1: unheard of at the time, and I'm like, Mark, why

457
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 1: he goes, well a couple of things. Hey, it's more spacing,

458
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 1: and be like it's more expatient to operate. You know.

459
00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 1: He also, don't shoot. You know, you're not a line hugger,

460
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 1: you know shoot. Yeah, honestly, actually that was one of

461
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 1: my dad's philosophies, Yeah, for a long time, which is like,

462
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 1: don't ever shoot at the line. He should make you

463
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 1: should make ten you know for high school kids make

464
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 1: ten threes and every workout from from pro range, etcetera, etcetera. Um, okay,

465
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: Rondo that thing went bad at the end. Yeah, he

466
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: basically quit on him in the playoffs. Well, here's the thing,

467
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 1: Ron does. I've known rondoson he was sixteen years old. Um.

468
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 1: Steve Smith Roe Killcata is one of my best friends

469
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 1: in coaching. I when I was I first year a

470
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 1: Nike camp, we were were roommates and I've been close

471
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 1: ever since. So when we get them, I love the trade.

472
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,119
Speaker 1: I would do the trade ten times out of the

473
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Speaker 1: tent for a talent steppoint. You gave up Jay Crowder,

474
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 1: you know, Jamir Nelson on his you know, the last

475
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 1: couple of years of his career. Brandon right, you know,

476
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 1: I pick that it didn't really turn into anything two

477
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,200
Speaker 1: for a guy at the time that was there a

478
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 1: top ten point guard in the league. The problem there

479
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 1: was he was a absolute thinker and Carlisle absolute thinker

480
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 1: and very alpha doggish in their own ways both sides,

481
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: and that wasn't gonna work. And from that standpoint, you

482
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,719
Speaker 1: don't make the trade, but you gotta try to make

483
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: the thing work. And I think both those guys try

484
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 1: to make it work, but it just you set him

485
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 1: up for disaster both sides. Like you know, Rick should

486
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: never coach Rondo. Rondo should never played for Rick, And

487
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 1: what happened I think the biggest thing and it costs

488
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 1: Rondo millions of dollars. Where like we got him in

489
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: the win playoffs games and the first game we we

490
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 1: had no chance of beating Houston. They had Dwight, they

491
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: had Hardened, they had all these fucking guys, and we

492
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 1: didn't have it. We really didn't have the firepower or

493
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: the shooting like that. It's a league of shooting, yet

494
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 1: we have you know, Rondo, Chamber, Parkson's, Monte Ellis and

495
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: Tyson Chandler in the same fucking lineup, Like, that's tough

496
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 1: to compete with shooting wise, against a team that just

497
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: sucking shoots threes and lobs to the rim. So Rondo

498
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,239
Speaker 1: gets fifteen five and one. And you know we were,

499
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen five and one in game one, you know,

500
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 1: attacked the basket, made a couple of threes, made it

501
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 1: free throws. Not feeling good about our chance to win.

502
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: But Jian did really well. Well. His plus minus is

503
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 1: like minus twenty one. I'm not a plus minus guy.

504
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 1: I think that that's very subjective like and in a

505
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 1: lot of ways. And he has fifteen five and one,

506
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: and then he literally sits most of the first half

507
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: and he just shuts down because those guys got into

508
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 1: it a few times. Everybody saw the blow up against

509
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 1: Toronto and things like that. So he just had enough.

510
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 1: And I turned on and I say raised like while

511
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: he's doing this, sitting down and you know, not wanting

512
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 1: to get back in, I go region. I know, like, look,

513
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 1: it's fucked up. You know you didn't play. You know

514
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 1: you're here to play and you're not playing. But dude,

515
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 1: this is gonna cost you. This is a national fucking TV.

516
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: Just get in the game, do whatever. But like that,

517
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: the way his brain works is like when he shuts

518
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 1: you down. I know that shuts it down, and it's

519
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: not right. It's definitely not right. But fifteen five and one,

520
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: you're pretty excited about going forward with that. And he

521
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: was naking threes, like you know, the last half of

522
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: the year, last thirty games or so he played with Dallas.

523
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 1: He you know, he came in at like forty three

524
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: from the line like putrid from the three last twenty

525
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: or thirty games or so, he shot like seventy four

526
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 1: from the line, and he shot like fifty two from

527
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 1: the three on a really small sample side. But he

528
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: was actually doing a little bit better shooting, making some

529
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 1: free throws and clutch like he was doing better. But

530
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 1: I think sitting that first half it just had an

531
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 1: overload in his brain. And again he was he was

532
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: definitely in the wrong. He's a competitor, never does that

533
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: regardless if he likes to coach, doesn't like the coach,

534
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: And it just really ruined the rest of his career

535
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: as far is getting long term deals. Every other deal

536
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: from that moment on was one year deal, one year deal,

537
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: one year deal, when you deal. Well, he was at

538
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: the Lakers. They said he would win shooting drills, like

539
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: all the shooting drills. So what happened? Yeah, so what happened?

540
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: He comes in, he works with Dirk's coach early on,

541
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: and like Dirk's coach, I think, you know Hoger, I

542
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: think if you work with them while you're younger in

543
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: your career and you're it's like holistic medicine. If you

544
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: work with them long enough, it's going to really resonate.

545
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: I think for a player older in their career and

546
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: you're trying to get the mid season to try to

547
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,719
Speaker 1: make a change, that's not the right avenue. So they

548
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: tried that for like a few weeks to a month,

549
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: and it wasn't working. What I wanted to do with

550
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: them is raises are not change a shot, because again

551
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: from Hopley, you learn, you know, you can make tweaks

552
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: your shot. It's like getting operation on your knee. You

553
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: could get like sort of like you know, cleaning up cartilage,

554
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: or you could do micro fracture surgery. When you're trying

555
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: to change you shot, it's microfracture surgery. When you're trying

556
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: to raise someone arc it's like getting you know, getting cartilage,

557
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: you know, flushed out or whatever, whatever the funk you do.

558
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: Like with small procedure. Yeah, it will suck you up

559
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: for like three weeks. But once you start getting it,

560
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: you don't change your shots. So your your consistency, your

561
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: your your comfort level, and your confidence is still there.

562
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: It's just a couple of weeks. Gonna just take take

563
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: time to get it up. So that's what we did.

564
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: We finally said, hey, ragion, just get it high elbowdi

565
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: your eyebrow hold you follow through and his arc got

566
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: a lot higher. And then he started getting softer shots

567
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: and he softened the shot up a little bit, and

568
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: I thought that that makes a big impact. You. Now,

569
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: it's not the cure. It's sort of like your shots

570
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: like an engine. Doug right in your car and you're

571
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: sucking your corrupt mechanic comes up to you and goes, well,

572
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: I could change your engine for fifteen thousand. No, or

573
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: it's like what was that movie A Robert rob with

574
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: with with Williams? Um the fuck uh? He was a

575
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: football all player. Fucking he missed the fucking ball in

576
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: the state championship. Robin Williams is in it. Oh Um, oh,

577
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: I know this one when they go back and they

578
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: replay the Yeah when we with with with Russell with

579
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: Kurt Russell, Yes, so half Taft high School. Yeah, so

580
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: I remember the part from the movie and I take

581
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: that in my tea because I'm a big movie guy.

582
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,959
Speaker 1: As you know, I've already dropped like eight of them.

583
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: But like he said, look, I can replace their engine,

584
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: or you can put this fucking you know, or you

585
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: can put this fucking like liquid into your fucking engine

586
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: and for a dollar fifty and it will make it

587
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: sound like it fucking runs the best best of cops.

588
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: So like that's what the shot is, Doug, Like, your

589
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: SHOT's your engine. You can either replace your engine and

590
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: it's gonna take four to eighteen months to get you

591
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: back on track. Or you can make these small adjustments

592
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: around your shot. Your footwork better, your your follow through

593
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: is better, your your releases high and your ark is higher,

594
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: your softer, all these things where like it will make

595
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: some time to to sort of get you back on track,

596
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: but you don't have to gut your whole shot. That's

597
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: what I thought Rondo should have done, and we did that,

598
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: and we spent a lot of time. He would shoot

599
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: after every home game, Like every home game, we would

600
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: have to, you know, go to a little shooting routine

601
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: and he would have to make five in a row

602
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: at eight baskets and if he missed two in a row,

603
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: he'd go back a basket and it really helped him.

604
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: And he had to switch all five in a row

605
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: and he really it helped him a little bit. So

606
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: it was just wasn't a good fit. It wasn't a

607
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: good fit. Uh, I mean, how is Jalen bruns to

608
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: become this good? Like? Look? Everybody likes Jalen Brunson. He

609
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: was a great college player, but it doesn't make any

610
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: sense to the guy who's kind of steps slow and

611
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: not big. Yeah, and it's not like he's gunned up.

612
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: He's always kind of basketball country strong a little bit.

613
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: But like he's gonna make a lot of money this

614
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: summer without a question him make So how how does

615
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: that work? Well? First of all, Like, and that's the

616
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: thing why in development, Doug, it's like you're getting on

617
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: a like a three lane highway. You're getting on the

618
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: first thing you gotta do is an NBA player is

619
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: develop your routine every day. Your routine is what's gonna

620
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: take you through your struggle and your success. You gotta

621
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: do the same ship every day, like being there early,

622
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: getting your shots up, watching film, being coachable, taking care

623
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: of your body, diet, all that stuff, Jalen, And it

624
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: usually takes about twelve to eighteen months for those players

625
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: to really get the routine done. Jalen Brunson had fucking

626
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: zero zero problem with the routine from the day one,

627
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: being early, staying late, yes, sir, no, sir, doing exactly

628
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: what he so like right off the bat. He's got

629
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: an edge of his play. Second of all, he's got

630
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: a fucking brain in his head. He knows how to

631
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: change speeds, he knows how to read defenses. He's asking

632
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: questions on this bench the first year when he's not playing,

633
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: he's first in the huddle like like watching the play

634
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: drawing up. And you could ask Jalen, that's what that's

635
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: a little trick that we did with our players, even

636
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: when they especially the ones that didn't play. After Carlisle

637
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: would draw something up, it's like, all right, what are

638
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: we running and who's the two and why? And he

639
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: would just answered, answered, answered, like he already had that

640
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: culture deal already fucking set, and then the work ethic,

641
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: and then working with Peter Patton, the shooting coach, and

642
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: then like all he did was used his fucking brain.

643
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: The game is so chaotic these days of players that

644
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: take awful fucking shots can't make plays for other people,

645
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: and just like just chaotic basketball through trainers, through and

646
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: not all trainers, but most and through all this one

647
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: on one, me, me me basketball. He didn't play like that.

648
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: So he just said, Okay, I'm playing with Luka Dontage,

649
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: which is one of the best passers that ever played

650
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: the game of basketball. All I have to do is

651
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: a make open shots when they double off me to

652
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: get to him straight line drive it, make a play

653
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: for someone else because Jale doesn't have great vision, Like

654
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: he'll give you assist, but he's not like a vision guy.

655
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: He could make the play that's in front of him,

656
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: no doubt about it, but like he just makes easy plays.

657
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: He doesn't complicate the fucking game, Doug, and he gets

658
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: an opportunity playing because the one thing they don't have

659
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: and maybe dim wit he's a little bit of that,

660
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: but they don't have another guy that could really really

661
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: have the ball in their hands and do along with it. Yeah, Doring,

662
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: Pittie Smith catching shoot, Dwight Powell, lob got, you know,

663
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: Bullock catching shoot guy. You know, like that's what they got.

664
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: And Jalen could handle him, pick and roll, he could finish, floater, post,

665
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: you up, step throughs, like the step through stuff. We

666
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: were like, I didn't do anything with Jalen, but like

667
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: I would work him out before games and we would

668
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time on the step through stuff.

669
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: He already had it, like Villanova is huge on playing

670
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: off the two feet thing. But like I thought he

671
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: was gonna be like a Derek Fisher on steroids. That's

672
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: why I thought Jalen was gonna be like a guy

673
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: who could start be really good, tough, but he just

674
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: took it to another level. And and now with the

675
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: amount of money, with not a lot of free agents

676
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: out there, I think he'll probably get at least twenty

677
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: I would think upwards of in free agency. He did it, Doug,

678
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: because you know, Rick is dad Rick which played two

679
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: times over from the at Salem High School and played

680
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: in the Boston Shootout and was a fucking legend in

681
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 1: high school and you know, in uh, in basketball in Massachusetts,

682
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: but like he set him in that like obviously that

683
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: role player mentality of you gotta put your work in,

684
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 1: you've gotta be coachable, you've gotta play a certain way,

685
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: you've gotta be tough. And that's what he did. And

686
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: the fucking kid he didn't fight it. He hit a

687
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: home run with it. And now the guy's gonna get paid.

688
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,919
Speaker 1: And you know, I think, I think the Mavericks because

689
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: if the Mavericks do lose him salary wise, they can't

690
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: really make a lot of moves. So they need to

691
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: sign this guy. So I think I think, like if

692
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: the Troit ends up offering a lot of money in

693
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 1: New York or what have you, I think that they'll

694
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: they'll pony up up to it. I'll probably up to

695
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: a certain number, of course, but I would say from

696
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: twenty million, that's where that's where I see him. Um,

697
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: now you're doing kind of what you did for Kobe,

698
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: even for college kids now right like Max Christie, freshman

699
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: at Michigan State now going to league. So now you've

700
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: turned this into a business. Correct. Trying to trying to

701
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: the problem with my mentality with this thing, Doug is

702
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,760
Speaker 1: players hate this ship because they don't want somebody actually

703
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: telling me telling you what to do like not like

704
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: what they're not doing well. So my video breakdowns are simple.

705
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: You give me your film, I chop it up where

706
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: I only take the place you're involved with on the ball,

707
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: off the ball. I then like record my screen, go

708
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: through the clip, stop it, rewind it slow mo, and

709
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: add audio coaching to it, telling you the stuff that

710
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: you do well and why you do it well, and

711
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 1: what you're not doing well and why you're not doing

712
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: it well, and on the ball and off the ball,

713
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: and a specifically for shot selection efficiency off the ball,

714
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: play defense, not following as much, trying to show hands,

715
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: not leaving feed on perimeter shooters, like trying to turn

716
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: them more efficient than basketball players. Max Christie, you know,

717
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: ended up being one of the best defenders in the

718
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: Big Ten, a lot of which because we worked on

719
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 1: it about you know, closing out short, not running guys

720
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: off the line, holding you know, not not leaving his

721
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 1: feet following West and he end up being the guy

722
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: that would guard the best player every night, and being

723
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: he was already always an efficient player anyway. And then

724
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: without like a rig Berwali, one of the best players

725
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: in the w n b A again working with her

726
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,959
Speaker 1: on her defense or off the ball, play making place

727
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: for others, you know, getting you know, getting rid of

728
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: the ball, you get double teamed and respacing sort of

729
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: like what Steph does, and just trying to be that

730
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 1: person that tells me the truth every day and like

731
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: I gotta I got some good clients and things. It's

732
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: just where such in a trainer mentality of everybody telling

733
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: you how good you are, and like you've got to

734
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: be the main player, main player, main player, and everything's

735
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: with the ball. Not a lot of players like to

736
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: be told they're not doing everything perfectly. So my clientele

737
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: is a little bit different. You know, how can how

738
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Speaker 1: can somebody get ahold of you? How can somebody become

739
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Speaker 1: become when your colletch email me might get who consultant

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Speaker 1: stock Com? They could follow me on Twitter? Who consultants Instagram?

741
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: Not a huge social media guy, but I'm on there

742
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: a little bit. I'm usually making fun of Kyle collins

743
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: Worth because of the diet from by U. Oh my god, yeah,

744
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: oh my god. He's he's fucking insane. He's one of

745
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: my favorite players that I've ever worked with, but he's

746
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: completely fucking insane with that ship. I you know, I

747
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: thought I enjoyed. I enjoyed being with him because you know,

748
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: he again, I love role I I could work with

749
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: any type of player, but the role player to me

750
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: is somewhere I could really help because a nobody wants

751
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: to work with them. Like I remember being with the Mavericks.

752
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: He had guys like fifteen and our roster shooting around.

753
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,439
Speaker 1: We have assistant coaches walking through their court and I'm

754
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: sitting there and I'm like, is anyone gonna work with

755
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: this fucking guy? And I love spending time with those

756
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: guys because if they're good, if they've got a little talent,

757
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: you could really make a big change. And I love

758
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: I love Coyle, but he's fucking completely insane with that

759
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: fucking workout ship. Man. I love him, I love him,

760
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: I love well. That's I think that that's the connective tissue, Right,

761
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: We're all lunatics on some level, but you love the sport. Yeah,

762
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 1: and that's kind of what the connective tissue to it. Well,

763
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: he got hurt, like when he was at b y U.

764
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: He tours me up early and somebody got in his

765
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: ear about holistic medicine, about eating right diet and how

766
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: it could heal you better and it worked for him

767
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: and then he just like he was all about that

768
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: and that's what he was all about, and uh, yeah

769
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 1: it was. It's it's interesting, man, it's look, this game

770
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: is unbelievable. Man, it connects you with so many players.

771
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 1: And yeah, I missed the old days of like again,

772
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: the everything is so inclusive now like I loved back

773
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: in the day where you have a lot of AU

774
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: clubs play in like April, May, June. Then you have

775
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: to qualify for things, so like July was shut off

776
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: from most teams because they go to Vegas or AU

777
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 1: Nationals and you know, and also a you get such

778
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 1: a fucking bad name because actual AU basketball has like rules, regulations,

779
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 1: dress code, birth certificate, background checks and all this other

780
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: stuff that you see on like social media is like independent.

781
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: But anyways, like you have July where you gotta qualify.

782
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: You can't just write a check for playing a tournament.

783
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 1: You had to qualify. So everybody else went to Five

784
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: Star East Invitational, they went to they went to the

785
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: pump camps, they went to bc BC camps all over

786
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,919
Speaker 1: the South. They had to go to camp and get

787
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: better and play and then you get back to a

788
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: stuff from the fall. But since now everything is so

789
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 1: inclusive that you could just go to any tournament you want.

790
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 1: Basically you just gotta write a check. It's it's crazy.

791
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: There's there's everybody has a national championship, right like, wait,

792
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: that's a national championship. That's that's a way which is

793
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 1: the national championship? And um and then the hold backs

794
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: double holdbacks. Oh god, Like I was a hold I

795
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: just you just were I was a hold back, but

796
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: I had to hold back right Like I finished eighth grade.

797
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: I was five ft tall, and you know I had

798
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: a new Pubert Yet, so would you do did you

799
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: repeat eight? Yes? Okay, and my son is gonna do

800
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: the same, repeat seventh or eighth. Here, I don't mind that.

801
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: I don't find that. But you have kids that are

802
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: already advanced, Like what are we? What are we doing this? Hey? PGM?

803
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: Like like I'm like again, you had Max good On,

804
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: which is one of my best friends, Like you know

805
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: that crazy motherfucker, but like he like I remember being

806
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: exposed to post graduate basketball like and again, I I

807
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: read about it in like I think I've read about

808
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: it in raw recruits or whatever. But like I remember

809
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: something like an ad in the newspaper. Hey, Winchington School

810
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 1: is playing m C I tonight at at Phillips Exeter.

811
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: So I would drive up our hour from my house

812
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: and I would watch it and I would be like,

813
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: what the fuck? Like New England prep school basketball they had,

814
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: you know, they mostly had PG postgraduate or seniors. I

815
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 1: don't mind it if if like you don't get a score,

816
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: or you don't get the recruitment that you want, or

817
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: you need to mature and then you do the post

818
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: graduate year. It's the holding back, you know, because I

819
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: believe in playing up. I don't. I don't believe in

820
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: being older and playing down like that. That's just easy work.

821
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: And yeah that that to me is and you know,

822
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: not really not really all for that. The Celtics are

823
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: they close. Yeah, they're very close. Look, you've got two

824
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: of the young stars in the league and you get

825
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 1: them basically signed up. Now, the problem with this is

826
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: sometimes it could be a flash in the pan situation.

827
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: You've got the talent there, you got Smart signed up,

828
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: You've got Robert Williams. If you could stay healthy for

829
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: a whole year and add a little bit to his

830
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: offensive game is going to be a huge help for them.

831
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: The problem lies with this, Al Horford, can you play

832
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 1: at thirty seven like you played there? That's the problem

833
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: and that's where it diminishes a little bit. Right, here's

834
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: the here's the two things the I agree like everybody believes,

835
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: okay that you get a year older, you get a

836
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: year wie or you notice your mistakes. Tatum develops, round

837
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: develops left hand right, like all of these things they

838
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: get better. What they failed to realize is like Al

839
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: Horford gets a year older, he's not going to get

840
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: a year better, right, So the two things would be

841
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: got to figure out Horford. Yeah, and then I think

842
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: that backup point guard is the most glaring portion of

843
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 1: what they need to add. And it's not just because

844
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 1: they need somebody to get those two off the ball,

845
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: but that's the way to get Robert Williams more offense. Right,

846
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: Like he's healthy, you can shut him down and get

847
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: his knee right. That's a that's a roll guy, that's

848
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: a rim roll gut. We just throw up to the

849
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: ring and protective. You know, maybe what's the why am I?

850
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: Maybe Peyton Pritchard, I just I don't know, Like, I

851
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: just don't like Peyton's more of a shooter score than

852
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: a guy who comes off the ball screen and throws

853
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 1: it to the rim and can make all of those.

854
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: He's not that he's the right so and but now

855
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: you can get away with his defense because if you're

856
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: playing with Robert Williams, right, it's that you can put

857
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 1: a lineup and around. I think that's and and I

858
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: also and I actually love Brad and think Brad is

859
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 1: brilliant and this is a great role for it. You

860
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: know that Danny built it, he's tweaked it because he

861
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: coached him. He knows it. And then he had to

862
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: email and emails the dude who can stare those guys

863
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: down and tell, you know, telling the past the fucking

864
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: ball and play defense. Right. So I think the whole

865
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 1: thing works. But Brad has never really valued that type

866
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: of point guard. Go and look at at at his

867
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 1: teams at Butler didn't have it. His teams with Boston

868
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: haven't really hadn't either, So that I think a bit

869
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: of that that would be my thing in terms of

870
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: tweaks is in order to get more out of Robert Williams.

871
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: I agree with you at the offensive event, right, and

872
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: how he nobody plays in the post anymore, and he's

873
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: definitely not gonna learn to play the post at this stage. No,

874
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: but he can be a great role guy. But one,

875
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: you gotta tweak what you're doing offensively, which is pretty simplistic.

876
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: But more importantly, you gotta get somebody who does that

877
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: and knows that it can and can. Is that is

878
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: that fair? Yeah? For sure. You need a Rondo, tight

879
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 1: off the bench type of player, and that's what they're missing.

880
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: They need that guy that could create of pick and

881
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: roll and do that. And that's a problem. And you

882
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: know that. Yeah, those two things bench, you know, bench

883
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: as well as that point guard off the bench. Correct. Yeah,

884
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: But then but then the problem is if that guy

885
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 1: then again, I think you can play him with Smart

886
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: because Smart so strong defensively, you know, But can you

887
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: play that guy with Jalen Brown and Jason tam I

888
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: think you blame with Brown. I just don't know if

889
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: you can play with Tatum Like Tatum without the ball

890
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: in his hands, he just seems lost. Yeah, Tatum needs

891
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: to And again, you know, Drew Handlin is probably the

892
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: best guy at it, you know, because he's probably the

893
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: least circus of you know, he doesn't do that circus ship,

894
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: and like I think that they have to spend a

895
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 1: summer of, in my opinion, off the ball stuff like

896
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: you know, cutting and you know, like giving it up

897
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: early in re space. So the big play against the

898
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: against the Nets was him cutting, right instead of that

899
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: Marcus Mark shot bakes Game one, takes a drible and

900
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: he cuts and makes an incredible finish. Like I don't

901
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: think he cut the rest of the playoffs. I think

902
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: you need to be able to do that. Like if

903
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: you watch Steph and watch the passing and cutting, and

904
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: you know, the cutting is huge and just how like

905
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: Lebron when he was on Miami, like huge cutter you

906
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: know again, like like it's just the cutting and off

907
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: the ball game. Yeah, they gotta have to figure that out.

908
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: But like like Miami's got glaring at issues, right, you know,

909
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: you can't score, can't score. Milwaukee probably would have won

910
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: that series if Middleton played, But they've got glaring issues too.

911
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: Like every team's got an issue, thankfully for Boss and

912
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: you know they you know, I don't I think Philly's tapped.

913
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: In my opinion, I think they they're just sort of

914
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: like they've hit it. And I don't think there's there's

915
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: a story today that Kyrie is at an impass with

916
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: nets of course Shaka, right, And that's the thing, Like

917
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: everybody wants to complain about Kyrie, and I'm one of them,

918
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: but like talent wins in this league, and somebody will

919
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: put up with them again. And but the thing is, like,

920
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do. You're gonna play for the

921
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,240
Speaker 1: minimum to go to Philly if there you're an impast.

922
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, you're an impast. But like, what are

923
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: you giving up for Kyrie Irving? Are you gonna give

924
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: up assets for Kyrie Irving? Maybe Miami might. Miami might

925
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 1: give up hero for him because they said they're always

926
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: about talent. But like, now you've got to figure out

927
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 1: is this guy gonna want to stay with you? And

928
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: so you're not gonna give them really anything worth a

929
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: lot you like. I love Durant. I think Duran, I

930
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,720
Speaker 1: think Luke in my opinion, LUKEA is the best player

931
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: in the league, and you know, always talked to debate.

932
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 1: Off course, I think Durant's number two. I think Durant

933
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: because he could score so effortlessly and yeah, like he's

934
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:19,919
Speaker 1: also I think Durant is this era's Kareem appool jabbar okay,

935
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: and here's here's what, here's there's give it to me.

936
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: His his jump shot is an unstoppable weapon, right, just

937
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: like Kareem skyhook was an unstoppable weapon. He's also kind

938
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: of socially aloof, right, like like Kareem socially aloof um.

939
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: And I mean I think it's it's interesting again, like

940
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: you can think the world of staff. They were on

941
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: the same team. Yeah, for three years, there was no

942
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 1: question who the better player was. Like, it's not really

943
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: nearly as close. Now. I don't necessarily mean I want

944
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: to always play with Katie. A suppose like Staf feels

945
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: like a dude, you'd much better to be around for

946
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: three years. But um, so I think it's like Kareem,

947
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: we'd have these they have these debates over like greatest

948
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: players of all time, like the guy scored more points

949
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: than anybody at six titles and six m vps and

950
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: like not even brought up. Now. I granted it was

951
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: a different game or whatever and all that stuff, but

952
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: the point is that I feel like Kevin Durant is

953
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: going to always be that guy who has every like

954
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 1: on the Olympic, we don't win the Olympics last summer,

955
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: not forgiving rent no chance none. Do you get Do

956
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: you get into that a lot besides like interaction on

957
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: social media? But like, do you I I hate those

958
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: discussions on top ten. I had a guy, Joe Boylan,

959
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: who worked for the Minnesota Timberwolves. He worked for me

960
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: at Grovers and you would always bring around his top

961
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: fifty with I would tell, hey, Joe, shove that fucking

962
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: top fifty list up, because because it's like, if you

963
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: think Will champ One's the best of all time, awesome,

964
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: all right? Whoever it is, like that's what you think?

965
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: Why we arguing? Like okay, cool? Like if I said,

966
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: how do you how do you how do you argue

967
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: achemalize you on versus Steph Curry? Like how do you argue?

968
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: Like what what is the what is the point of that? Right?

969
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: What is the point of that? You know? Like they're

970
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: all juggernauts like I I do the podcast with with

971
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:19,479
Speaker 1: Andrew Bogan, the rope Bogs podcast. Oh, he's the fucking best,

972
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: and like like he he wants step from the Top ten.

973
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, God, bless here go ahead. Here's the thing though,

974
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 1: when you put step in and that's hard and so

975
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: like I got it right here. I wrote it down

976
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: last night. So like again, in any order, I don't

977
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: give a funk with the order is I just throw

978
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: him down like Russell M J Lebron Magic, Kareem, Shack

979
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: Bird Chamberlain. You know Hakim isn't there. So we didn't

980
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: mention it. We didn't mention Tim Duncan exactly. Hey, d Duncan, Kobe,

981
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: we don't like Kobe right though, like those and like

982
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: and like you're somebody who loved respective work with Kobe,

983
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: you know, just like automatic put him in the top ten.

984
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: Like wait what hold on? Yeah, I don't think you

985
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 1: mentioned Shack right and Shocked a hard one because he

986
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: would never be in He would never be in the

987
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: first two or three months of the season, right, but

988
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: he was such a completely unstoppable physical specimen. Hey, what

989
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: about your first time seeing Shock and Lse so app

990
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: here's my first time. So uh, you don't know this.

991
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: Dale Brown and my dad very very close. Okay, here's

992
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: how close? Okay? One year I come home from I

993
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: don't remember what camp it was, might have been Superstar Camp.

994
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: Least be Superstar Camp. I loved that, Doug, You've gone

995
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: to all that ship. I love that. Like did that?

996
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 1: My my my brother went to b C. I. My

997
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: dad would ship my brother off to the East Coast.

998
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 1: I never did the East Coast camps. I did Superstar

999
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: and I did Pumps, and then I did it and

1000
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,879
Speaker 1: I did ABC BE two years. So I come home.

1001
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: I think it was after Superstar. So my teammates and

1002
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: Superstar Camp were Willie McGuinness and Jared hass after and

1003
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: then there was another dude, I'll think of it. He

1004
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: played at San Francisco and he was literally the best

1005
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: athlete I've ever played with. He was a dunking machine,

1006
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 1: a black dude like six one anyway, So I come

1007
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: home and set it on my couch. Are a white

1008
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: dude who's like six nine, looks foreign and at a

1009
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: black dude who's like not saying anything. So I come

1010
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,760
Speaker 1: in and I was like, hey, man, what's up? Like, Hello,

1011
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: my name is Roman Rutchenko. I am here to play

1012
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: for your dad. This is running. He is from Mississippi.

1013
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: I cannot understand what she said. It was Ronnie Henderson

1014
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: Anderson Ronnie Henderson from Mura High School and Roman Ruschenko.

1015
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:48,439
Speaker 1: And then we had a guy on my team while

1016
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: I'm actually coaching his son now named Brandon Titus rand

1017
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: It was from Guar High School, threet Us and they

1018
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: all went to l s U together and uh to

1019
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: thank my dad for delivery all these dudes. I'll never

1020
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: forget this. The Maui Invitational. L s US playing right

1021
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: and I get a I get a call from a

1022
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: friend of mine. He's like, hey, uh is your dad?

1023
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: Why is your dad? And Baton Rouge and like, my

1024
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: dad isn bed Rooge's in a y like He's like, well,

1025
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 1: I'm watching LSU play and your dad's sitting like right

1026
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 1: behind the bench. I go, he must have gone after

1027
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 1: he went to the Mallie Invitational, like uh, coach Brown

1028
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: flom out. So they were really close. So um after

1029
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: shocks freshman year, maybe a sophomore before he left, he

1030
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,280
Speaker 1: had he was at the Wooden Awards and I remember

1031
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 1: the first time he played Arizona and I say it,

1032
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: that's the first time I saw him. Don't get on

1033
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: dudes and do it habit Pats, You're like, yeah, I've

1034
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: never seen some ship. It was like a cartoon character.

1035
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: You could. It was, Yeah, it was you're in the movie.

1036
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 1: Here's the movie. You're a movie guy. Weird science of course,

1037
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: right right when you put together all the pieces. Yeah,

1038
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: that's what Shaq was, except for he could couldn't really

1039
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: shoot right, but it's like like footwork, amazing, heed, lateral athleticism, right, personality, smile,

1040
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: look like every everything. So we go to the Wood

1041
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: Awards and again I think he was a guest. I

1042
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: think Coach Brown invitrus and I go to meet him

1043
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 1: and he shakes my hand and I got at the time,

1044
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: I was pretty young, but I got pretty big hands.

1045
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 1: This fucking dude's hand touched in the middle of my forearm.

1046
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: I was like, I remember walking away, going dad, I've

1047
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: never seen a human being that big in my life.

1048
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: I think I read about him, and my seventh and

1049
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: eighth grade math and math and history teacher gave me

1050
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: the hoop scoop when they like it used to be

1051
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: like a TV guy. He used to be like that big.

1052
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: And it had Shaquille and it it had I think

1053
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Speaker 1: it had Ed O'Bannon on the cover, and it had

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Speaker 1: like Montrose and Glenn Robinson was in an unbelievab high

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Speaker 1: school player. By the way, over get towards a c

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Speaker 1: L is first year at U c l A. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and that U c l A team was good. They

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Speaker 1: got smoked by Indiana in Albuquerque, but they should have

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Speaker 1: had Ed Obandon to which it reminded me of remember

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Speaker 1: the movie, Uh it was off the book Heaven as

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Speaker 1: a Playground. Bo Kimball was in that. He was an

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Speaker 1: unbelieved player before I ripped his knee up. That is

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Speaker 1: what I expected. Ed O'Bannon, Like Ed O'Bannon. That's all

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Speaker 1: you heard about was Obannon. But I remember reading about

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Speaker 1: Shock and then I didn't I sort of obviously no

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Speaker 1: internet back then. Whatever. I turned on ESPN and he's

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Speaker 1: playing fucking Arizona and it's a fucking joke, like it

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Speaker 1: was a fun They just dunking and dunking and dunking,

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Speaker 1: you know. And now now we're watching the Big Three

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Speaker 1: and CHRISTI Action Under was still playing. It's unbelievable, all right, Well,

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Speaker 1: stay tuned for part three. Reminded the Doug Otlip shows

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Speaker 1: daily three to six eastern twelve three Pacific on your

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Speaker 1: I Heart Radio appor or Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports

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Speaker 1: Radio Dot com and of course you can download it

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Speaker 1: wherever you download this podcast. I will point out I

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Speaker 1: really like with the San Antonio Spurst did look. I

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Speaker 1: like what Oklahoma City did. Oklahoma City got to to.

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Speaker 1: Jay Len Williams is who I think are really good

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Speaker 1: blended players. Jayleen Williams from Santa Clara I've seen several

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Speaker 1: times in person. I don't think he's a guy you

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Speaker 1: go to and hey, go get me a bucket. But

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Speaker 1: you know you have Josh Giddy, who's who creates shots

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Speaker 1: for people. You have s g A. You know now

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Speaker 1: you have chat. You just need guys you can I

1085
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Speaker 1: mean three and d is Jalen Williams. He's tremendous. And

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Speaker 1: jay Len Williams from Arkansas is gonna be I think

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Speaker 1: one of those guys who's like a on the Celtics. Gosh,

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Speaker 1: why am I blanking on the Celtics from the University

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Speaker 1: of Tennessee that their build is obviously very, very different

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Speaker 1: in terms of body type. But Grant Williams is you know,

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Speaker 1: he'll come in, he'll take charges, he won't be intimidated.

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Speaker 1: He can score just enough. You know you're never gonna

1093
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Speaker 1: run ISOs for him or run him off a series

1094
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Speaker 1: of staggers, but that doesn't mean he's a very good player.

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Speaker 1: So I love what Oaklama City did from that perspective.

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Speaker 1: And then if you look at what the San Antonio

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Speaker 1: Spurs did, I don't know how you can't. I don't

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Speaker 1: know you can't like what the Spurs did in terms

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Speaker 1: of trying to rebuild this franchise, which has kind of

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Speaker 1: been they've been very average. So hands a better version

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Speaker 1: of Jayleen Williams, more talented offensively but also hybrid defensive player,

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Speaker 1: tougher than hell Malich I random is going to be

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Speaker 1: a really good scoring wing. And then you got Blake Wesley,

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Speaker 1: you take it, and and Kennedy Chandler. This to me

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Speaker 1: gives credence to the idea that they may make a

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Speaker 1: change at point guard because both of the both of them.

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Speaker 1: Kenny Chandler is interesting because he's kind of a Chris

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Speaker 1: Paul clone, but that position, true point guard, especially under

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Speaker 1: six ft tall, it's a hard win. The NBA Wesley

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Speaker 1: very good downhill player. So I like what's an Antonio did. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: we'll at the part three we'll talk more about these

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Speaker 1: traft picks. Thanks so much for listening. I'm Doug Gottlieb.

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Speaker 1: This is all ball.