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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where our social

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Speaker 1: media feeds are chock full of women posting picks from

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Speaker 1: their glory days out on the court, field, ice, and track.

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Speaker 2: We see you, bawlers, We know you used to cook.

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Speaker 1: It's Wednesday, February fourth, National Girls and Women in Sports Day.

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Speaker 1: On today's show, we'll be chatting with Swin Cash, WNBA Legend,

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Speaker 1: and the new president of the Women's Sports Foundation, which

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Speaker 1: co founded today's holiday way back in nineteen eighty seven,

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Speaker 1: and this year, more than three hundred activations are expected nationwide,

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Speaker 1: led by schools, leagues, professional teams, and nonprofits. Swin and

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Speaker 1: I talk about why it's still so necessary to recognize

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Speaker 1: National Girls and Women in Sports Day all these years later,

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Speaker 1: the leadership lessons she's learned from previous Women's Sports Foundation presidents,

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Speaker 1: and what's expected and required of athletes in the current

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Speaker 1: political moment. Plus tip off in Music City, a Cinderella

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Speaker 1: story hits, a snag and an injury, tearing up our

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Speaker 1: hearts ahead of the Olympics. It's all coming up right

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Speaker 1: after this welcome back slices. Here's what you need to

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Speaker 1: know today. Let's start with hoops. The fifth season of

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Speaker 1: Athletes Unlimited Pro Basketball tips off tonight in Nashville at

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Speaker 1: Municipal Auditorium. Week one games will be captained by Bria Hartley,

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Speaker 1: Melissa Smith, Lexi Brown, and Alicia Clark, and this year

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Speaker 1: the league is introducing some new team names, gold Rush, Glow, Rhythm,

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Speaker 1: and Eclipse. Melissa Smith was last year's champion, the first

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Speaker 1: champ in Any Athletes Unlimited sport who was not in

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Speaker 1: the top position of the leader board until the end.

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Speaker 1: She entered the final day in third place before surging

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Speaker 1: ahead to win it all. AU's four week season down

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Speaker 1: in Nashville culminates with the championship game on March first,

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Speaker 1: to College Hoops, a matchup of two top twenty five teams. Tonight,

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Speaker 1: as number twelve, Michigan State hosts number twenty two Maryland

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Speaker 1: a six to thirty pm Eastern tip off. Maryland's currently

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Speaker 1: mired in a four game losing skid, tying their longest

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Speaker 1: coming off an overtime loss to in state rival Michigan

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Speaker 1: on Sunday. Number one Yukon also in action. Tonight, they'll

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Speaker 1: are in the midst of a thirty nine game win

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Speaker 1: the Olympics first, the good speed skating Olympic champion Aaron

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Speaker 1: Jackson and Bob's led olympian Frank del Duca have been

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Speaker 1: selected as Team USA flag.

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Speaker 2: Bearers for the opening ceremony.

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Speaker 1: They were chosen by a vote led by the Team

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Speaker 1: USA Athletes Commission, which serves as the representative group and

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Speaker 1: held at Milano Sansero Olympic Stadium in Milan on Friday, and.

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Speaker 1: Live coverage on NBC and Peacock will begin at two

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Speaker 1: pm Eastern that day. Primetime coverage at eight pm Eastern

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Speaker 1: and Pacific time. More Olympics and news we hate to deliver.

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Speaker 1: Lindsay Vaughan announced on Tuesday that she completely tore her

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Speaker 1: after extensive consultation with doctors, intense therapy, physical tests, as

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Speaker 1: give up. It's not over yet. End quote. We're sending

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Speaker 1: More Olympics and more injury news. The Canadian skating pair

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Speaker 1: talking about former esthetician Stalado du Deck on a previous show.

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Speaker 1: She's one of the game's most inspiring stories.

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Speaker 2: You remember.

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Speaker 1: After retiring for sixteen years, she returned to the ice

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Speaker 2: Finally, let's end out a positive hump.

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Speaker 1: Friend of the show and former Olympic gymnastics great Laurie

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Speaker 1: Hernandez will make her Broadway debut in and Juliet this

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Speaker 1: spring in the featured dance role of Charmion. Hernandez, who

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Speaker 1: is pursuing a BFA and drama at NYU's Tish School

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Speaker 2: We got to take a break. When we come back,

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Speaker 2: the great swin Cash joining us now.

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Speaker 1: She's the new president of the Women's Sports Foundation and

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Speaker 1: A member of the Naismith Hall of Fame and the

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Speaker 1: She was drafted number two overall by the Detroit Shock

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Speaker 1: after a spectacular career at Yukon in Stores. She was

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Speaker 1: She went on to become director of Franchise Development for

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Speaker 1: Mom, and founder of Cash for Kids and that She's

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Speaker 1: Got Time Summit. We've cooked on camera in my kitchen,

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Speaker 2: It's win Cash, Hi, Swin Hi.

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Speaker 3: How are you doing all of that? You make me

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Speaker 1: You have You have the most important, of course, cooking

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Speaker 3: Well, guess what I'm going to send you a picture

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Speaker 4: It was us at Super Bowl in New York.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I was the Beyonce jay Z. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: You'll be doing a lot around this day and just

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Speaker 1: year's Women's Sports Foundation gala.

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Speaker 2: I was there to see it. What did that mean

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I have to give a big shout

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Speaker 3: For people who don't know, I've been on the board

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Speaker 3: And you know me, Sarah, if there's anything that I

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Speaker 3: I think it's a time of transition. I think it's

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Speaker 4: That means we've moved the needle a little bit.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know that Women's Sports Foundation

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Speaker 3: whether we take another position. Everyone that I've come in

439
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Speaker 3: contact with knows exactly who I am and where I stand,

440
00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,359
Speaker 3: and so if you ever have to question that, please

441
00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,560
Speaker 3: ask me. I think that's what I'm most proud of

442
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Speaker 3: as being a fantastic advice and to being an executive.

443
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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, Bill Kauer.

444
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Speaker 1: By the way, former Steelers head coach, get a lot

445
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Speaker 1: of your reference points from around that area.

446
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Speaker 2: We know that that's your hood shout out. That's really

447
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Speaker 2: really fantastic advice.

448
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Speaker 1: And I think a lot of that comes from certainty

449
00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,520
Speaker 1: of person, not wondering who needs to show up somewhere

450
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Speaker 1: to be successful or to be accepted, instead knowing that

451
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Speaker 1: whatever you're bringing is why you're there, why you've been hired,

452
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,320
Speaker 1: why you've been chosen to lead, and to stick with

453
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Speaker 1: that as opposed to trying to be the chameleon that

454
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Speaker 1: fits into the space in a certain way.

455
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Speaker 2: That's great advice. You know.

456
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about you in the w as a leader

457
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Speaker 1: across a number of teams and how when you were

458
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,119
Speaker 1: retired you stuck with the team you were on and

459
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,920
Speaker 1: started working for them. So it's been clear to everyone

460
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 1: that you're someone to elevate and to listen to and

461
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,920
Speaker 1: right now we're seeing the WNBA go through this incredible change.

462
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Speaker 1: They're fighting, players are fighting for a new CBA. How

463
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Speaker 1: different do you feel the landscape looks for women's professional

464
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Speaker 1: basketball from twenty plus years ago when you first entered

465
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Speaker 1: the league? How do you reconcile the change that's happened

466
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Speaker 1: in just that time.

467
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Speaker 3: I want to take off the ex player. I want

468
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Speaker 3: to take off the executive hat. I also want to

469
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Speaker 3: take off an investor in the w hat. And I

470
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Speaker 3: want to just say let's go like.

471
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Speaker 4: I don't.

472
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Speaker 3: I mean people, if you've been in the trenches like

473
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Speaker 3: we have for so long, to see the growth of

474
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Speaker 3: the w see the growth NWS, to see the growth

475
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 3: of women's sports, I'm excited. Like people are too on

476
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 3: a surface level just locked in on the CBA. The

477
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 3: CBA is happening, Okay, there's negotiations that are happening. Both

478
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 3: sides are giving you information. Okay, cool, But are you

479
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 3: not entertained? Are you not excited about like the upcoming

480
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 3: season and unrivaled happening right now and that league?

481
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Speaker 4: And I mean, for me, the landscape.

482
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Speaker 3: Right now is always what I envisioned and where it's

483
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 3: going and the reason why I could swallow my pride

484
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 3: and swallow at times taking cbas or taking opportunities that

485
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 3: I knew weren't my worth, because it was never about me.

486
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 3: It was always about You're gonna knock on a door

487
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 3: and somebody else is going to have the ability to

488
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Speaker 3: come through. But I have nieces, so I can look

489
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 3: at them and say it could be them one day.

490
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Speaker 3: It could be your kid or somebody else's child. If

491
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Speaker 3: you have that level of human every time you're showing

492
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Speaker 3: up or advocating, then you know what's gonna be better

493
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 3: coming behind you.

494
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 4: So when we talk.

495
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Speaker 3: About increase happening across women's sports, I'm is just a fan,

496
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 3: thoroughly entertain. Now put all those other hats back on,

497
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 3: and I'm I just want to have a season this

498
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Speaker 3: summer that leads to an amazing Olympics that's coming down

499
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 3: the road for all of us, because that, I think

500
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Speaker 3: is going to be another kind.

501
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Speaker 4: Of springboard to where women's sports is going.

502
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Speaker 1: Speaking of your entrance to the league and hopefully an

503
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Speaker 1: exciting season and hopefully a couple exciting seasons to come,

504
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty nine, we're getting the Detroit team We're gonna

505
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Speaker 1: be back w in Detroit. Will you be involved in

506
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Speaker 1: that team in any way because of your shock roots.

507
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Speaker 3: Oh, you know what, I am open to all opportunities

508
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Speaker 3: that maybe come in.

509
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Speaker 4: I said this.

510
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Speaker 3: I talked this Sue the other day about this, and

511
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Speaker 3: I just said, you know, Bird, Yes, Supert, my college

512
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 3: roommate for those who don't know who she is is Googler.

513
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 3: We were talking about this, and I'm really at a

514
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 3: point in my life right now where I'm excited about

515
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 3: opportunities that may come. I'm excited about being an investor groups.

516
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 3: I think you know, I've worked hard throughout my career

517
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 3: and it's important for me, and it's important for legacy,

518
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 3: it's important for my kids and how I show up

519
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 3: and other women understanding that we don't just want to

520
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Speaker 3: be leading in positions.

521
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Speaker 4: We also want to be on cap tables. We want

522
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Speaker 4: to be invested.

523
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Speaker 3: And as I look at these different opportunities, I want

524
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Speaker 3: to make sure that I'm putting not only myself but

525
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 3: my family and in the best position because I think

526
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Speaker 3: I've earned it. And so whether it is a w

527
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Speaker 3: NBA team, NBA and WSL, whatever it may be, this

528
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,880
Speaker 3: is going to be a year where we are being

529
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Speaker 3: intentional about opportunities.

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Speaker 2: Sarah okay, I like that.

531
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Speaker 1: Intentional about opportunities also a good way to evade telling

532
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Speaker 1: me specifically whether you will be involved with the Detroit

533
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Speaker 1: chock return. You mentioned how important it is for you

534
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: to set an example, and you've been an activist along

535
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 1: the way while being a competitor, a businesswoman, et cetera.

536
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: You've spoken out against police brutality, gun violence, racism. I

537
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: want to hear how your grandmother and your brother inspired

538
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Speaker 1: some of your desire to speak up.

539
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think you know my brother I

540
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 3: have too, my older one that it's gone over and served,

541
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Speaker 3: and my dad people and my family that's really served

542
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 3: and been a part of the military. My brother had

543
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 3: an incident, my younger brother an incident with the police

544
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Speaker 3: when he was younger, and that really changed our family

545
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 3: dynamic because you get to see it from another perspective. Right,

546
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 3: you can be the best of citizens, and people always

547
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 3: talk about bad actors that are out there, but when

548
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 3: you don't speak up, you allow those bad actors to multiply.

549
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 3: And so as a young person, I had to deal

550
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Speaker 3: with some of that, and I think my grandma all

551
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 3: always told me that you know, when you stand up

552
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 3: for things, that name means something, and I've always taken

553
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 3: that with me everywhere that I go, And so I

554
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 3: don't get to change. When I show up, people see

555
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Speaker 3: a woman, and they see a black woman. That is

556
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Speaker 3: who I am, and you can't hide that. So I

557
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 3: don't get to have a choice and how I advocate,

558
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 3: I don't get to have a choice in sitting things

559
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Speaker 3: out because guess what. Now, I'm a mom with two

560
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Speaker 3: young eight and five year old African American boys, and

561
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Speaker 3: I want them to be proud of who I am

562
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 3: and how I show up for them, and my track

563
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 3: record shows that, and I don't think that that's ever

564
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 3: going to change. Whether I am in a front office

565
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 3: as an owner, it doesn't matter, because I guess what,

566
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Speaker 3: I think we all are examples, not just globally, but

567
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Speaker 3: I think we all can be examples in our community,

568
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 3: at our schools, how we show up in our communities,

569
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Speaker 3: and that's what I've tried to do throughout my career's era.

570
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Speaker 1: You talked about your boys, you know, it's I think,

571
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Speaker 1: I presume and I've heard very scary for any parent

572
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: of young black boys to consider their interactions or potential

573
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: interactions with police, But especially for you, if your own

574
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: brother has already had a situation being mistreated by police,

575
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Speaker 1: how do you handle the current time in particular understanding

576
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: that just existing as a black or brown person in

577
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: this country might be an invitation to be mistreated. That's

578
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: been the case for the history of our country, but

579
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 1: it feels particularly poignant right now.

580
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we're at a very heavy time in

581
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Speaker 4: our country right And.

582
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Speaker 3: I don't think it's just where we're having to deal

583
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 3: with issues with law enforcement. That's been something that has happened,

584
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 3: and any person of color will tell you that that's

585
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 3: happened for generations, right and you continue to do the

586
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 3: work and advocate. I think we're at a very pivotal

587
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 3: time right now in our country where we have to

588
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 3: lean into community. You have to lean into community, And

589
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 3: I think the scary part for me isn't so much

590
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 3: that we won't get through what's happening country right now,

591
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 3: And the scary part for me is that the apathy

592
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 3: that could be there and the exhaustion for people that

593
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 3: we don't value our voice, because your voice can mean

594
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 3: some people are just like this is too much happening

595
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 3: all over the place.

596
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 4: How do we stand?

597
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 3: And I say, you know what stand in your community?

598
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 3: Stand when you go to school, stand with each other,

599
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 3: make sure that none of these things are happening at

600
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 3: your schools, at your grocery stores.

601
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 4: And that's the small part that you can do.

602
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 3: And that's how I take every day because when I

603
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 3: drop my boys off, my head's always on this wolve,

604
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 3: but it's been since I birthed them into this world.

605
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 3: But understanding that when you do have a platform like

606
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 3: you have, Sarah, like I have, it is a responsibility

607
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 3: for us to make this world better. We don't get

608
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,719
Speaker 3: to just sit out because somebody stood up for us

609
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 3: in order for us to have these opportunities, for you

610
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 3: to be having your own show and having your own business,

611
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 3: for me to be through the things that I'm doing.

612
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Speaker 4: And so I take that.

613
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 3: I have conversations, I have conversations with people who have

614
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,959
Speaker 3: different ideas than I have, but right now I have

615
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 3: certain standards. Right so as the stakes are getting higher,

616
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 3: you know, so are my standards about how I protect

617
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 3: my piece, how I show up. And that's why you know,

618
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 3: when you see my shirt in our company, she's got time.

619
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 3: I got time for it all because I got two

620
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 3: little boys that are looking at me and making sure

621
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 3: that their father and I are being an example for them.

622
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Speaker 1: To your point, even in your little area, if you

623
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: know everybody else believes in what's right, it's going to

624
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: help each other. It's going to stand up for each other.

625
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: You can go into spaces and demand change with strength.

626
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: And I think it does feel overwhelming right now. There

627
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: is so much going on. It feels like how can

628
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: we possibly make any change? But there have been these

629
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Speaker 1: instances in the past in our country's history, and the

630
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: problem is when you get to the other side of

631
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: it and you don't demand deep systems change, you just

632
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: appreciate the relative piece that you've arrived back upon. Like

633
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: at the end of whatever this is, we have to

634
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: make sure we're like, let's change a whole lot of stuff.

635
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: We got here with intention from some people. We didn't

636
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: accidentally happen upon what's going on in this country right now.

637
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: People have been sowing the seeds to create a country

638
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: that's white nationalists led and Christian led and everything else

639
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: for decades, and so if we want to undo that,

640
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: we have to be as intentional of systems change so

641
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: that we result in a country that more people believe

642
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: in than where we ended up now. And I think

643
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: that happens to your point on every single level, with

644
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: people just speaking up and talking and making sure that

645
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: the people around them know where they stand. Anyone who

646
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: is not speaking right now, to me is complicit because

647
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: it is too horrific to not have an opinion on

648
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: it unless you're standing with it. And it does be

649
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: like in this moment, it's calling for like so many

650
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: people to say something, and we're not hearing it as

651
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: much as I would think, especially from teams and athletes,

652
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: and in the women's sports space, we often look to

653
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: our top female athletes and their teams to help lead

654
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Speaker 1: the way. We've seen that across the history of the

655
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Speaker 1: W in particular. And I wonder if you think I

656
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: think the schism that's going on between the owners and

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Speaker 1: the players right now has meant that the teams can't

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Speaker 1: come together.

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Speaker 2: I know it's the off.

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Speaker 1: Season, so it's a little less likely they're not gonna

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Speaker 1: be able to wear shirts pre game and things like that,

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Speaker 1: but do you think that's why we're not seeing the

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Speaker 1: W for instance, or maybe women's athletes be on the

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Speaker 1: forefront of talking about this stuff right now.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think you know, and I want to also

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Speaker 3: give grace to the athletes, right. I think the beauty

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Speaker 3: in being an athlete is that you're able to have

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Speaker 3: a platform, right and for generations. We can look back

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Speaker 3: to even the civil rights movement, and we look back

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Speaker 3: to the Muhammad Alis of the world, Bill Russell's of

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Speaker 3: the world, and as it fast forward to w and

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Speaker 3: all the things that they've been able to accomplish. And

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Speaker 3: I just say we also at the time, there's exhaustion

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Speaker 3: that happens with everybody because everyone is human and in

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Speaker 3: this moment, in this moment right now, I need people

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Speaker 3: not to only look at athletes. I need you to

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Speaker 3: look in the mirror first. I need you to look

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Speaker 3: in the mira first, because yes, they're gonna be some

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Speaker 3: people that are.

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Speaker 4: Gonna rise up and lead you.

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Speaker 3: But you have to do the work, like we have

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Speaker 3: to demand if we're going into our church and I'm

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Speaker 3: sitting there and you don't want to have a conversation

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Speaker 3: about what's happening, like I'll give you an example. My

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Speaker 3: kids are eight and five. I have friends that are

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Speaker 3: in Minneapolis that are pregnant, right now and in a

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Speaker 3: month or so having a baby. Can you imagine I

688
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Speaker 3: was terrified having my baby during COVID. Can you imagine

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Speaker 3: what's happening right now through a woman, a woman of color,

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Speaker 3: having a baby in that city and thinking about everything

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Speaker 3: that's so heavy around her. So you know, the children

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Speaker 3: are not just oh, this is not happening to my kids.

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Speaker 4: So I'm good. It's for all kids.

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Speaker 3: So going back to the w going back to the

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Speaker 3: NBA and all these different things. I speak to a

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Speaker 3: lot of players offline and a lot of times, and

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Speaker 3: when I mentor and I'm talking to people, you have

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Speaker 3: to meet where you are. And so if that means

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Speaker 3: that you're investing, whether it's financially, you're doing certain things

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Speaker 3: in gathering. It may not be public right now, but

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Speaker 3: you have to be doing something. That's what I encourage

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Speaker 3: them to do. Figure out. We're talking about calling your

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Speaker 3: senators and getting involved. Do whatever feels right for you.

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Speaker 3: Because Sarah, we have to keep in mind mental health

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Speaker 3: affects a lot of different people, and exhaustion affects a

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Speaker 3: lot of different people. So if the athletes have been

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Speaker 3: leading away for so long, they'll be back. They're not

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Speaker 3: going anywhere because guess what again, I told you I'm

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Speaker 3: a woman, and I'm an African American woman. We don't

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Speaker 3: get to take this off. We don't get to be

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Speaker 3: in a brotherhood and a sisterhood in sports and just

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Speaker 3: not show up. But you sitting on the couch listening

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Speaker 3: to this pod, listening to this show, watching this show,

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Speaker 3: you have an obligation to yourself because look at your kids,

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Speaker 3: look at your community. If we don't all come together

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Speaker 3: and say we want this to be better, how can

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Speaker 3: it get better? Because it can't be done by a few.

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Speaker 3: What's happening right now has to be done with the masses.

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Speaker 3: And I'm so happy to see that those who are

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Speaker 3: stepping up and those who are using their platform and

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Speaker 3: their voices. I'm a person from an executive standpoint. I

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Speaker 3: like changing process and which you say it was so right.

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Speaker 3: When we get through all of this, which we will

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Speaker 3: and get to the other side. Listen, can we.

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Speaker 4: Do the work? Are you ready to do the work?

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Speaker 4: Are you ready to do the work? That's the question.

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Speaker 3: And I came on here telling you let's ask questions.

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Speaker 3: Are we ready to do the work? If we're ready

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Speaker 3: to do the work, let's get to it, you change

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Speaker 3: up the process and you change up how we're looking

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Speaker 3: at things. This is an opportunity for us to do

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Speaker 3: what's right and not to do what we think is

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Speaker 3: right for right now.

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Speaker 1: Bars Yeah, I mean, I think it's like the only

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Speaker 1: hope I have right now is that when we get

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Speaker 1: through this, we will no longer look to people in

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Speaker 1: power to get things done. We'll look to each other,

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Speaker 1: and we'll stop putting a faith that never should have

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Speaker 1: been there in certain people to do the right thing,

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Speaker 1: and instead put a faith in the power of the people,

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Speaker 1: to demand better, to put better people in positions to lead,

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Speaker 1: and to really understand the deeply flawed and historically flawed

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Speaker 1: country that we live in so that we can work

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Speaker 1: to change it.

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Speaker 2: Because I think for.

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Speaker 1: Too long, particularly folks like me, white women especially who

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Speaker 1: have proximity to power by virtue of the white men

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Speaker 1: in our lives, we have rested on the idea that

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Speaker 1: the systems were working and there were just a couple

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Speaker 1: little blips and bloops in there, and instead it was

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Speaker 1: it was never a bug. It was always the intention

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Speaker 1: of the system to hold down people of color, to

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Speaker 1: elevate people with wealth, et cetera, and so having it

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Speaker 1: blown up in this way, in this tragic and horrific

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Speaker 1: and terrifying way, at least the hope can be that

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Speaker 1: we finally see it and we decide that we're in

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Speaker 1: charge of changing it. That's the only little hope I

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Speaker 1: can hang on to right now.

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Speaker 3: We the people, Sarah, that's right, the people, and if

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Speaker 3: you believe in that, then we can make some good change.

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Speaker 3: Thank you and thank you for those words. I appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, thanks for coming on and being inspiring as always.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for your leadership for National Girls and Women in

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Speaker 1: Sports Day. I'm excited to see people go out.

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Speaker 2: And ask questions.

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Speaker 1: It's been a theme of our show the last couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks. Us ask more questions. You never know where

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Speaker 1: it might get you Swin. Thanks so much for hanging out.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. I'm looking forward to just seeing

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Speaker 3: you continue to grow. And I'll come back on the

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Speaker 3: show when I have more to share, you know, especially

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Speaker 3: with our summit this summer. I hope I can see

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Speaker 3: you this summer.

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Speaker 4: I hope you know in the summit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, get me out there, I'll be I'll be happy

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Speaker 2: to come.

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Speaker 4: Let's make it happen.

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Speaker 1: Thanks again to Swin for hanging out with us. We

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Speaker 1: got to take another break when we come back. Balloons

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Speaker 1: for your boo welcome back slices. Just want to leave

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Speaker 1: a quick note on something Swinn and I talked about

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Speaker 1: the relative quiet of WNBA teams during this moment of

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Speaker 1: major upheaval and distress in our country. Again, the schism

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Speaker 1: between teams and players during this current CBA negotiation perhaps

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Speaker 1: makes it tough for unified statements, and it is the

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Speaker 1: off season with players scattered across different leagues and countries,

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Speaker 1: but still there's an expectation of this league based on

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Speaker 1: previous activism, so the silence has been kind of noteworthy.

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Speaker 1: One team that's always been on the front lines and

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Speaker 1: is particularly invested in the recent ice executions in Minneapolis

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Speaker 1: is the Minnesota Links.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: The team's social account posted a quote unquote statement on

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Speaker 1: behalf of Minnesota Links players this week, and here's what

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Speaker 1: it said. We the Minnesota Links players, stand with our

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Speaker 1: community in these challenging and trying times. As a team,

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Speaker 1: we have always been committed to our change starts with

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Speaker 1: us platform, and we remain dedicated to these values. We

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Speaker 1: extend our love and support to the individuals, families, and

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Speaker 1: communities across the Twin Cities and the state of Minnesota

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Speaker 1: who have been affected by recent tragic events. We acknowledge

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Speaker 1: the profound impact these recent occurrences have had and recognized

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Speaker 1: that meaningful change begins with each of us. We honor

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Speaker 1: those whose lives have been lost and extend our strength

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Speaker 1: and compassion to all who are affected. Minnesota's strength resides

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Speaker 1: in its people, and it is through collective support and

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Speaker 1: collaboration that our communities will continue to endure and heal.

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Speaker 2: End quote. So I'm grateful.

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Speaker 1: I guess that the team said something or the players,

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Speaker 1: but this statement does not sound like Link statements of old.

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Speaker 1: They use the terms recent occurrences and tragic events. No

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Speaker 1: mention of ice, no call to action, no demand for

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Speaker 1: government accountability. A few months ago, when the sale of

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Speaker 1: The Links and Timberwolves went through, I mentioned on this

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Speaker 1: show that I'd be keeping an eye on the team

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Speaker 1: post sale to see if it seemed like new ownership

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Speaker 1: was invested in the Links or just considered it an

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Speaker 1: add on to their purchase of the Tea Wolves. I'm

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Speaker 1: also now watching to see if new ownership is maybe

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Speaker 1: requiring a softer stance on these issues, or even demanding

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Speaker 1: that the Links.

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Speaker 2: Limit their activism.

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Speaker 1: I don't say that as a warning or to presume

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Speaker 1: that I know what the new ownership is telling the

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Speaker 1: team or its players. Just something I'm taking note of,

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Speaker 1: and I will point out that on Tuesday, the Minnesota

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Speaker 1: Links social accounts did post photos of several players, including

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Speaker 1: the Fisa Kalier, wearing stand with Minnesota T shirts. This

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Speaker 1: is in keeping with something we've seen from the team

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Speaker 1: in past activism efforts. So no judgment, just curiosity and

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Speaker 1: our producers are Alex Azzi and Bianca Hillier.

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Speaker 2: Our executive producers are.

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Speaker 1: Christina Everett, Jesse Katz, Jenny Kaplan and Emily Rudder. Our

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Speaker 1: editors are Emily Rutterer, Lucy Jones, Britney Martinez and Gianna Palmer.

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Speaker 1: Production assistants from Avery Loftus and I'm Your Host Sarah

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Speaker 1: Spain