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Speaker 1: Matt I thought it'd be a good idea to kind

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Speaker 1: of talk about today about this kind of balance between

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Speaker 1: kind of coaching and playing. And I know there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of people that listen to the podcast that are

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Speaker 1: instructors and stuff like that, but I never played competitive golf.

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Speaker 1: At any level. I mean, I'm talking about that a lot,

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Speaker 1: and I think that that hurts me in a lot

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Speaker 1: of ways because I didn't have a competitive background like

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Speaker 1: a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've been teaching now with us for how.

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Speaker 3: Long now eight years?

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Speaker 1: Eight years you caddied here at Floridian, but you've been

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Speaker 1: now trying to be in the instruction space now for

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Speaker 1: almost a decade. But you were a player, and I think,

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Speaker 1: like a lot of people that are in the golf business,

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Speaker 1: you play as long as you can competitively, junior golf,

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Speaker 1: high school golf. You were lucky to play Division one

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Speaker 1: college golf, and then you tried to play professionally, right

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Speaker 1: your goal was to be a professional golfer. And now,

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Speaker 1: like a lot of people, you're in the instruction space,

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Speaker 1: but you're also still trying to play. And why is

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Speaker 3: I think it helps me become a better coach, you know.

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Speaker 3: I think right now, what I've noticed is recently it's

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Speaker 3: helped me feel more connected to the players that I coach,

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Speaker 3: because I coach mostly competitive players at all levels. So

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Speaker 3: it's always a good reminder to feel what it's like

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Speaker 3: being back under the gun and what they're going through

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Speaker 3: when you're talking to them and when you're coaching them.

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Speaker 3: I think it's good to be able to see that.

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Speaker 3: It took me a long time from coming from the

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Speaker 3: playing side to the coaching side to be able to

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Speaker 3: decipher what I'm actually gaining from the playing part, because

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Speaker 3: I think I would take my own game too seriously

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Speaker 3: where I think it would affect my coach in a

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Speaker 3: negative way, because if I wasn't playing well, then I

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Speaker 3: thought I wasn't going to be coaching well. But I'm

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Speaker 3: able now to kind of see what I'm going through

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Speaker 3: and how that can relate to the players that I

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Speaker 3: And I've obviously not making it, have failed way more

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Speaker 3: learn from those failures to help other players hopefully sidesteps

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Speaker 3: So I think the connection thing is probably the best

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Speaker 1: Back to you as a sixteen year old, You're living

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Speaker 1: then you're just kind of starting your kind of high

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I looked past that at that age. I mean

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Speaker 3: I'm fully into it. I'm just it's all I do.

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Speaker 1: We have an office here at the Florid in when

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Speaker 1: And you were sitting there one day. It was back

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Speaker 1: And you sat there and you looked at these pictures

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Speaker 1: my entire career. When you look back at someone like

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Speaker 1: I always think it's important when you look back at

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Speaker 1: Right everybody. I would say to junior golfers, everybody wants

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Speaker 1: I think it's important to have someone from your home country,

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Speaker 1: but for someone like you, someone from your specific area

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Speaker 1: like brand Snedeker and stuff that you were playing junior

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Speaker 1: You went to the University of Tennessee and then went

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Speaker 1: something else? But when you look back at that, did

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Speaker 1: you think Bran Sneddecker would become the player? I mean,

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Speaker 1: All the things that Brant was able to do as

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Speaker 3: You saw the ability of a person to score with

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Speaker 3: But his just determination to get it done with whatever

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Speaker 3: Like that kind of kept me kind of thinking I

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Speaker 3: And that's the problem with golf is like you can

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Speaker 3: It's kept me where I'm at and I luckily have

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Speaker 1: So even at that young age, you know, brand Stenderker

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Speaker 1: pure putters, right, but even in junior golf, high school

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he just kind of could get up

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Speaker 3: he just did it to ten straight days.

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Speaker 3: So I think at a certain point it stops becoming

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Speaker 1: When you look back at high school golf and what

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Speaker 1: But the holy grail of college golf is to play

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Speaker 1: When you were in high school, what did you think

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Speaker 3: I think what I thought was going to help me

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Speaker 3: when I was in college. I thought it helped me

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Speaker 3: on you know, at a certain point, like high school,

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Speaker 3: you can outwork everybody and do that and still beat people.

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Speaker 1: And if you're a decent I mean, if you just

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Speaker 1: one of probably the best players their high school. The scene.

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Speaker 1: You've won a bunch of tournaments. Did you win a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I won a lot of junior tournaments, a lot

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Speaker 3: of high school tournaments. Lost to the state in state

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Speaker 3: to Brant every year. But you know, yeah four all

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Speaker 3: completely different directions. So no, but I want a lot

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Speaker 3: of I want a lot of college tournaments. And you know,

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Speaker 3: I think, going back to you know what you said,

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Speaker 3: I I think I just thought I had to always

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Speaker 3: always lost track of just playing my own game and

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Speaker 3: what I got and doing. And when we go back

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Speaker 3: to Brant, I think Brant was elite at playing what

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Speaker 3: it just kind of just kept kind of getting better.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's I did look back a lot

435
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Speaker 3: of times, and just you take for granted when you

436
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Speaker 3: play junior golf, high school golf, college golf, you turn pro,

437
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Speaker 3: you keep going. If you just keep going and you

438
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Speaker 3: figure out a way to keep going, I think that's

439
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Speaker 3: kind of how you make it. And if you asked

440
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Speaker 3: me earlier, what cald I go back, if I could

441
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Speaker 3: have figured out I couldn't do this back in the

442
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Speaker 3: day because I was just a nightmare. But if you

443
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Speaker 3: if I could have figured out how to keep going

444
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Speaker 3: through seven eight oh nine, I think a lot of

445
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Speaker 3: things would have had have been different for that to

446
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Speaker 3: have happened. But that was where once you kind of

447
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Speaker 3: fall off the momentum train and the train's gone, it's

448
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Speaker 3: hard to catch back up to that train because once

449
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Speaker 3: you kind of get you can see players when they

450
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Speaker 3: get later in their career, when they kind of their

451
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 3: skills start to missing a little bit, but they they

452
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Speaker 3: don't play as much. Life comes in and they you

453
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Speaker 3: know they're not they lose a little bit of that edge.

454
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Speaker 3: And these players nowadays are just going to beat you up.

455
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Speaker 3: So yeah, I could tell Brent was just continuing to

456
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Speaker 3: stay on the train and the train was moving in

457
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Speaker 3: the right direction. You know. I remember one time, I

458
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Speaker 3: think it was one of the worst days of my life.

459
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Speaker 3: I remember I was at I was at Frederica. I

460
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Speaker 3: think I was going out on a loop as a caddie,

461
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Speaker 3: I think for about one hundred and sixty dollars. The

462
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Speaker 3: same day, Brant won the FedEx Cup for twelve point

463
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Speaker 3: five million dollars, and I remember looking at that and

464
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Speaker 3: sing like, you know, this is you made a lot

465
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Speaker 3: of bad decisions.

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Speaker 1: You had the white jumpsuit on and yeah it.

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Speaker 3: Is not not working. He's got a big check. Yeah

468
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Speaker 3: he's got the big check. And I think I think

469
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Speaker 3: a lot of the big changes I used to make.

470
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Speaker 3: And I was listening to a podcast you did with

471
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Speaker 3: Rumford and he was talking about something that really hit

472
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Speaker 3: home with me. Is about knowing your lane, about knowing

473
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Speaker 3: what kind of player you are and if you could

474
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Speaker 3: know that, Like if I could have known, Okay, Matt,

475
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 3: you could possibly be a seventy five to one fifty

476
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Speaker 3: guy if you just on the PGA tour, on a

477
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Speaker 3: PJ tour, if you get sober, you get a good coach,

478
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Speaker 3: you get a good therapist, you walk a clean line

479
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Speaker 3: that's as good as I was always under the depression.

480
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Speaker 3: Like if I rebuild, rebuild and do this and just

481
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Speaker 3: go to these extremes, I could be the best. And

482
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Speaker 3: I don't think looking back now that that was for me.

483
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Speaker 3: I could think I could get in a tournament and

484
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Speaker 3: contend and maybe win, but if I could have known

485
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Speaker 3: my lane. And I don't think anyone knows their lane

486
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Speaker 3: where like they should. The people that I do think.

487
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Speaker 3: You look at those guys that are on the tour

488
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Speaker 3: for the fifty to one hundred every year and they're

489
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Speaker 3: never going to go higher, but they're always there. I

490
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Speaker 3: think they just tend to be more self aware of

491
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Speaker 3: their lane. And I think me, if I would have

492
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Speaker 3: been able to do kind of what he was saying,

493
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Speaker 3: I think that was something that I could have looked at.

494
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Speaker 3: But I was and capable of making any good decisions.

495
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Speaker 1: Why do you think is golfers? I always say this

496
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Speaker 1: about Tiger Woods. I think the only negative thing about

497
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Speaker 1: Tiger and everything he did the Tiger era and all

498
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Speaker 1: of that is from a golf swing standpoint.

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Speaker 2: He made it okay but somewhat sexy and fashionable to

500
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Speaker 2: kind of just completely overhaul and change your entire golf swing.

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Speaker 1: You said that, You've said that. You know, we've been

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Speaker 1: talking now for less than a half an hour. You've said,

503
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Speaker 1: I tried to change everything. I tried. Why do you

504
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Speaker 1: think so many competitive golfers at the elite competitive level,

505
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Speaker 1: but also just at the regular normal club level. You're

506
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Speaker 1: playing in, you know, a monthly metal, you're playing in

507
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Speaker 1: the club championship. You like to play in tournaments, maybe

508
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Speaker 1: you like to play in amateur tournaments and stuff. I

509
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Speaker 1: was just up at Oakhill Country Club last week for

510
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Speaker 1: the Jonah Williams Big you know Golf Invitational. Bunch of

511
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Speaker 1: guys that had played on there, you know, had you know,

512
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Speaker 1: played Division one college golf status. You know, some of

513
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: them tried to play some really really good looking golf swings.

514
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Speaker 1: So for those guys, the holy grail is to qualify

515
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Speaker 1: for the mid am, to maybe win a mid am tournament.

516
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Speaker 1: But why do you think so many golfers across the

517
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Speaker 1: board are so willing to press the eject button and

518
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Speaker 1: just say, okay, now I'm just going to bulldoze the house.

519
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 1: Because there's a couple of rooms that I don't like

520
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: and rather than just maybe kind of living with the

521
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Speaker 1: design of this house and making it better, No, we're

522
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Speaker 1: just going to bulldoze the whole house. You know, I

523
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 1: can't afford a new one, but we're just going to

524
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Speaker 1: bulldoze it, build one new. Why do you think we

525
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Speaker 1: do that as golfers.

526
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Speaker 3: Well, in our era when I grew up, it was

527
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Speaker 3: Tiger and you've saw this is what I know, what

528
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Speaker 3: I'm doing to get better. This is what he's doing

529
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Speaker 3: get better. And he just won the Masters by twelve

530
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Speaker 3: and now he's won, you know, and then and it

531
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Speaker 3: produced what he did at the Open, and now he's

532
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Speaker 3: going to do it again. So you just felt like

533
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Speaker 3: that's kind of how you had to go about it,

534
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Speaker 3: you know. David Gossa, I think he went through that

535
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Speaker 3: same thing where he.

536
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Speaker 1: Gossip for people not knowing when the US Amateur played

537
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Speaker 1: at the University of Texas was a stud.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, best player I've ever seen growing up, Way better than.

539
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Speaker 1: Ran of those guys that was supposed to be this

540
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Speaker 1: kind of next great generation of players. He was supposed

541
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Speaker 1: to be a guy that everybody was kind of pegging

542
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Speaker 1: to be. Kind of what Matt Kutcher was, which is,

543
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Speaker 1: win a bunch of tournaments, play on a bunch of

544
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Speaker 1: Ryder Cups and Presidents Cup, win a bunch of money.

545
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Speaker 1: And you talk about a guy that went down the

546
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Speaker 1: abject rabbit hole of trying. You said you saw him

547
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Speaker 1: recently in the last you know, four or five years,

548
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Speaker 1: and he talked about that. What did he say about

549
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Speaker 1: all of the things that he tried to do from

550
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Speaker 1: a competitive standpoint.

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Speaker 3: Well, he grew up, been hit just a nice sling

552
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 3: and draw and he could control it and was the

553
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 3: prettiest shot you've ever seen in your life of a

554
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 3: good short game, great putter. And then eventually he won.

555
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Speaker 1: US to stud it.

556
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Speaker 3: He won his first round too, he was number one

557
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Speaker 3: in the country, won the USM going away by ten

558
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Speaker 3: I think ten and eight. And then he decided he's

559
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Speaker 3: going to go work on hitting fades because he needs

560
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Speaker 3: to hit a fad if he's going to be on tour,

561
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Speaker 3: and he's got to, you know, really get better. That's

562
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Speaker 3: that was his way of getting better. And then he

563
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 3: just then you lose your confidence and then you can't

564
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Speaker 3: Once you lose that, you can't get back.

565
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Speaker 1: So again that thing that we hear all the time

566
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Speaker 1: from players that are trying to play. I think a

567
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: lot of this comes from kind of the Hank Haney

568
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: nine ball ten ball have to have all the shots

569
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Speaker 1: that Tiger Woods had, and what I've talked about for

570
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Speaker 1: for years, not only two players, but on the pod

571
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Speaker 1: that I think you can run, you can go down

572
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Speaker 1: the trap of Okay, I've gotten this far and in

573
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Speaker 1: order to get to the next level, now I need

574
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Speaker 1: to have everything right now. I need to have all

575
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Speaker 1: the shots. I need to have everything, which yeah, in.

576
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Speaker 3: Theory, answer though, that's why you'd go down that hole

577
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 3: because you think you have to have all.

578
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Speaker 1: That, but you really don't. I mean, think about how

579
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Speaker 1: many guys that I mean, I always say this, you

580
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: can go down the top of the old world golf

581
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: rankings before all this bullshit that we've got now. But

582
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Speaker 1: the old world golf rankings five five years ago. The

583
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: people in the top ten in the world, they are

584
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Speaker 1: defined by their ball striking, in the shape they hit.

585
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Speaker 1: And out of those guys, there aren't a lot of

586
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Speaker 1: guys that have all the shots. I mean, the guys

587
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Speaker 1: that I have seen in my lifetime. I'm fifty six

588
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: years old, I've been on tour forever. But of the

589
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Speaker 1: modern generation of the players that had everything that I've

590
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 1: been lucky enough to see up close. Obviously Tiger right,

591
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: I mean you had all the shots. Ernie El's kind

592
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: of had all the shots. Greg Norman had all of

593
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: the shots. Right. Watching Greg Norman's warm up back in

594
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 1: the day and the late eighties, early nineties to this day,

595
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like it. It was like watching

596
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: Picasso paint. Every single shot he was going to use

597
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: on the golf course that day, he would hit them

598
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 1: with all of his irons. He had high draws with

599
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Speaker 1: his irons, he did low draws with his irons, He

600
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: hit high fades with his irons. He did that with

601
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Speaker 1: every single club in the back. So for those guys,

602
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: it's an embarrassment of riches. But Colin Montgomery, Tom Layman,

603
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: Colin Montgomery, prolific winner. To me, one of the greatest

604
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Speaker 1: ball strikers I've ever seen, Just fades. That was it. Fades,

605
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: Tom Layman, number one in the world British Open, big

606
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: high draws, David Duval right, the list is endless of

607
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: players that were kind of one dementia and so if

608
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Speaker 1: you had that to do over again, would you go

609
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Speaker 1: back and just say, Okay, I am just going to

610
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: become one dimensional and ride this strength and this is

611
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: the only thing I do.

612
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 3: It required a lot more than I had to. You know,

613
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 3: I gather from that back in the day. I had

614
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 3: great coaching growing up, but it's like I was too

615
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 3: stubborn to listen to anybody. And I see that a

616
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 3: lot with golfers like me that don't make it. You know,

617
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 3: they'll come in. I watch a lot of these pros

618
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 3: come in take lessons from you, and you make it

619
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Speaker 3: as simple as possible, and then I'll see that person

620
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 3: down the road and they've overcomplicated the crap out of it.

621
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Speaker 3: So I think the quality of coaching that you think

622
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 3: coaching has gotten better, I think coaching has gotten a

623
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Speaker 3: lot better.

624
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Speaker 1: I think, how do you think technology has helped in

625
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: the last decade instructors get better? And how has technology

626
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: helped the player?

627
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 3: I think as far as like at a tour level,

628
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 3: distance control with shots is about your all you're looking

629
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Speaker 3: at right, It's like the numbers that the ball's going.

630
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 3: If you're talking about more amateur golf and coaching, I

631
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 3: think a lot of times you can throw up just

632
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 3: make this look this way, like, okay, the path path

633
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 3: numbers kind of can help or attack angle numbers can help.

634
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 3: It just helps simplify and help kind of highlight what

635
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 3: you're trying to get them to do. I think it

636
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 3: makes it easier. I think it can make it more

637
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 3: complicated if you dive too much into it, but I

638
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 3: think it does help you get where you're going. Like

639
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 3: with us with swing Catalyst, if we can have someone

640
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 3: see immediate feedback of what we're trying to get them

641
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 3: to do and that they're actually doing it, it makes

642
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 3: it go by that much faster. They believe it quicker,

643
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 3: they own it faster, and it helps get to the

644
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 3: answer faster. So I think it really just makes things simple.

645
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 3: But it's like at a competitive level, I think distance

646
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 3: control and numbers wise, it's like it's crazy how good

647
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 3: how good that is. And it's like if you want

648
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Speaker 3: to isolate one thing at a time and work on

649
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 3: I think it makes you It helps kind of kind

650
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 3: of can pinpoint your practices a little bit quicker with

651
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 3: that when you're doing that as opposed to being out

652
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 3: there all day looking at things.

653
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: So one of the things that people are always really

654
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: surprised at when I say that, I you know, obviously

655
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: I've been incredibly lucky. I don't think if I I mean,

656
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: there's no chance I get to where I am today

657
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: unless Butch Harmon's my father, right, the doors that were

658
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: open for me, but also that education of being able

659
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: to just having no playing background. I just sat for

660
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: hours and watched him give lessons to you know, in

661
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: the nineties, Steve Elkington, Greg Norman Davis loved the third

662
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: I watched my uncles give lessons to Jeff Sluman, to

663
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: Curtis Strange, to Lanny Watkins. So I just watched the

664
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: best players in the world get taught and watched what

665
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: they did. And I think without that, there's absolutely no

666
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: chance that I ever reach the level of success that

667
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: I've been lucky enough to have. So when you do

668
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: continue to go, now, how do you balance with or

669
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: because it's impossible. First of all, I'm a terrible golfer, right,

670
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: you know, my body's bad. I'm not a good golfer,

671
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: and it's very hard for me to go play golf

672
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: because I have so much shit in my head, of

673
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: so much information, so many thoughts running through my head. Basically,

674
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: twenty four to seven on a regular basis, Like I

675
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: can't turn my brain off under normal circumstances, right, just

676
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: in daily life, like I am incredibly high strung, I

677
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: am never off. And so when I go play golf, one,

678
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: I'm a bad golfer. I've always been a bad golfer,

679
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: and so it's hard for me to go play for

680
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: someone like you that had success. Right when you do

681
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: go play, that balance of balancing the information that you know,

682
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: obviously the technical information that you know, but also all

683
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: of the stuff that we're lucky enough to know now

684
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: through experience, through working around good players. You know, when

685
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: I look at your scores, you'll still have struggles, right,

686
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: you still have bad stretches of holes on the golf course.

687
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: The balance of playing with the technical knowledge of what

688
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: you know. Talk me through what that's like.

689
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 3: It took me a long time to just be able

690
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 3: to separate that. I don't think about any of it

691
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 3: now when I play, and I you know, I use

692
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 3: my playing a bit to to test, you know, kind

693
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 3: of how I coach a little bit, try to test things.

694
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 3: But when I'm playing tournaments, there's zero thoughts of what

695
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 3: I'm anything technical, you know, I'm focused on trying to

696
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 3: play golf, trying to walk the line. To be honest

697
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 3: with you, I like to because I want to be

698
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 3: an example for players that I coach. So I have to.

699
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 3: I can't coach something and then go out there and

700
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 3: act like this, you know. So I'm really focused hard

701
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 3: on how I'm holding myself. I'm focused hard on decision making,

702
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 3: trying to make It's a.

703
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: Little bit like being an out of shaped trainer, right.

704
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: It's harder to listen to someone tell you to get

705
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: in shape and eat right when they don't like our

706
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: boy Pierre right with six percent body fat, mister standard.

707
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: I mean if he tells me to so like like

708
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: my trainer, like the guy's unit, right, I mean he

709
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 1: like works out three times a day, you know, meal prep,

710
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: I mean, doesn't drink, I mean everything. So if he

711
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: tells me to do something in the gym, I listen

712
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: because I know he, like you said, he walks the walk,

713
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: He walks the line. Is that something that is important

714
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: for you as an instructor, but also as a coach

715
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: and as a mentor to be able to say to

716
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 1: your players, hey, listen, I'm still trying to figure this out.

717
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: From a playing standpoint, I still struggle with you. Do

718
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: you think that makes it easier for you as an

719
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: instructor to kind of connect on a human personal level

720
00:34:58,680 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: with your students.

721
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I know what they're going through as

722
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 3: a player, you know, I think that.

723
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: I think that's my Dad's My dad's secret source was

724
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: he played. He played in majors. He won a one

725
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: day PGA Tour event back when the PJ Tour had

726
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: one day PJ Tour event. So all of the guys

727
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: that have ever gone to see my dad know that

728
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: he was a player. And so I've always thought that

729
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 1: that was one of the benefits. You know when whenever

730
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: you've kind of gotten down on yourself or said, hey,

731
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: you know what can I change better? I'm like, listen,

732
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: the fact that we've got somebody on our staff that

733
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: played Ryan Chrysler, who I've had on the pod, you know,

734
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: r CE. Ryan played Division one college golf at SMU.

735
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: You know, when when I look at a lot of players,

736
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:47,959
Speaker 1: Cameron McCormick played Division one college golf at Texas Tech.

737
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: So there are instructors that had good careers. There are instructors,

738
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: you know, Darryl Kessner is a great instructor deep Dell.

739
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: I mean, Darryl's played in PGA's and stuff like that.

740
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: So do you feel like that's something that's important for

741
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: you to be able to kind of show people and

742
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: show your students that you are kind of walking the

743
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: same path and line they are.

744
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's transitioned from you know, me wanting

745
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 3: to still prove myself as a golfer to now I

746
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 3: just enjoy it. And we've talked about this, and you've

747
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 3: told me this a bunch is like, you play golf

748
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 3: because you love to play golf. And I'm finally starting

749
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 3: to get to that point where I don't just feel

750
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 3: guilty when I don't like have it in me to

751
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 3: practice one day or whatever. But I definitely I like

752
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 3: to be able to connect with the players that I'm coaching,

753
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 3: knowing I'm still going through it, but also be able

754
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 3: to kind of we you know, get through the weeds

755
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 3: on everything that I know they're already going through that

756
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 3: I can kind of cut to the chase. So that's

757
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 3: what I think I can bring to it as a coach.

758
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 3: You know, I've watched you obviously a tremendous amount and

759
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 3: I think you're not playing is what gives you your

760
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 3: edge because of your obviously your unique circumstances that you

761
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 3: grew up in, but it actually gives you. You come

762
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 3: in without this bias of like you know this works,

763
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 3: this doesn't you do this or you don't. I mean,

764
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 3: that's what I've learned the most from you, because as

765
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 3: a player, someone who's an idiot and stubborn, they you think, okay,

766
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 3: that works, but I can also make this work. No, no, no,

767
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 3: no no, this is how it works. And I'm like,

768
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 3: I'll work hard enough to make this work. And I

769
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 3: watch you coach, I'm like, you just do that, and

770
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 3: I'm like, what about this? Just do that? And as

771
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 3: a player, you think I'm good enough to kind of

772
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 3: figure out that's why I think you know goes into

773
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 3: the changes and stuff and if I could look at

774
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 3: it more like you do. And that's what I try

775
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 3: to do as a coach and it's helped me become

776
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 3: a better coach and separate my playing because I don't.

777
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 3: I don't associate my playing anymore with my coaching, and

778
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 3: it used to. Now I just know it connects me

779
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 3: with the players. They know I play. I don't really

780
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 3: talk about it. I don't put anything out, but it

781
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 3: helps me in a different way. I think it used

782
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 3: to hurt me. I think it helps me now because

783
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 3: I've been able to be like, I know this works,

784
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna go down this road, and if there's

785
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 3: a decision to make, I'm just gonna go down this road.

786
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 3: And that's what I've learned the most from you is

787
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 3: going to your lessons. I'm like, Okay, he sees one

788
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 3: thing and then they're just gonna do that one thing

789
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 3: and then they know that works. And if they decide

790
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 3: they're not going to do that thing, then there's nothing

791
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 3: you can do. It's not like you're gonna be like,

792
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 3: all right, we'll just do this while you'll wait till

793
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 3: they come back, and then you do that one thing again,

794
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden they start winning again,

795
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 3: and it's like, just do that one thing. I mean,

796
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 3: you've done it with me the last and I hate it.

797
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 3: I hated it initially because I would want to ask

798
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 3: you a question I knew I want to I wanted

799
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 3: an answer, and You're like, all right, so what are

800
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 3: you trying to do? And I'm like, I don't know.

801
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 3: I want to do something here, You're like, have out,

802
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 3: we start with what you're actually trying to do with

803
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,919
Speaker 3: the golf ball, and I'm like, just all right, I quit.

804
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 3: You know, it's like I don't want to hear the

805
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 3: simple answer. And I think that's a big part of

806
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 3: the problem. And you probably coach players that just are

807
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 3: so simple minded and listen to you, and they do

808
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 3: it and then they end up doing really well, and

809
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 3: you can tell, like someone like me, it wants to

810
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 3: make it more complicated. I think I did that as

811
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 3: a player forever and that's what cost me a lot

812
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 3: of time. And then as a coach. Initially I thought

813
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 3: I would do some of the two, and it took

814
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 3: me probably, I mean, really my first three years. I

815
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 3: don't feel like I could get away from what I

816
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 3: thought as a player because you come in with these

817
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 3: biases which you never came in with. You knew this

818
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 3: black and white, this work doesn't work.

819
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: One of the things it's always helped me is I

820
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: never ever think golf is easy. Like I don't think

821
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: any of it is easy, because when I try and

822
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: do it myself, none of it's easy. And listen, I've

823
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: had great golf instruction from so I've had I've had

824
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: access to the best golf instructors on the planet, you know,

825
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: and golf to this day is a fifty six year

826
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 1: old distill difficult for me, so.

827
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 3: I think, but players do can't. They can't get to

828
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 3: where they think it's easy. And if you're coming in

829
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 3: as a player to a coach, I've watched them like

830
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 3: I used to when I used to carry for one

831
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 3: of our members here, j C. Sneed used to help

832
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 3: them out all the time, and JC was one of

833
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 3: the best ball strikers of all time. And then the

834
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 3: guy would struggle and he'd be like, just do this,

835
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 3: and then you know, every area, yeahs so easy. You

836
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 3: just do this, and the guy's like, I can't do that.

837
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 3: And it's like, you know, it's funny. As a player,

838
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 3: you're just like, why don't you just do this? You know,

839
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 3: and the guy's like, I can't do that. So I

840
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 3: think I think having that perspective, and and you know

841
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 3: it's funny is when I used to take lessons, and

842
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 3: I would take lessons and if you gave me something

843
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 3: I did too easy, I was like, that's not enough.

844
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 3: Give me something that's hard. I want to struggle with this,

845
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 3: And I know sometimes you have to struggle with stuff

846
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 3: to get better. But as a coach, when I watch

847
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 3: somebody struggle with something, I think I'm doing something wrong

848
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 3: sometimes as opposed to like I've learned to just know,

849
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 3: let them struggle with what they're doing. Yeah, it's hard.

850
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 3: They're going to struggle until they get it, and if

851
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 3: you get in the way of that, you're you're getting

852
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 3: in the way of their progress. So I've kind of

853
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 3: learned to just you tell them what this is and

854
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,479
Speaker 3: then you let them deal with it and you start

855
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 3: you see, you can see signs that it's right, but

856
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 3: like they're going to struggle, and that can't that can't

857
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 3: take away from the lesson. So you've kind of taught

858
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 3: me that too. So I mean I've learned. I mean,

859
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 3: I've been incredibly lucky without you guys. I don't know

860
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 3: where I'm at. I'm not anywhere, but it's it's uh,

861
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 3: it's all my playing in meeting the people I did

862
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 3: then golf got me to where I'm here. So I

863
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 3: can't say I hung in there too long because if

864
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 3: I didn't, I don't think I would have made it

865
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 3: back here. So I'm happy with everything that I've done.

866
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: But you used to always say if he was working

867
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: on someone, I remember him saying to Tiger they were

868
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: trying to, you know, weaken his grip right and get

869
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: the club face a little bit more open and not

870
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: so shut at the top. And Butcher said, how's it feel?

871
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: And Tiger say, is pretty good? And but you said, well,

872
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: you're not doing it thing, yeah, because if it's a right,

873
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: if it feels super good early, you're not like making

874
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 1: the change. We always say that with grip changes, how's

875
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: the grip change? I mean, if you're making a grip change,

876
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 1: it needs to feel terrible. It needs to feel bad

877
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: for a while. Otherwise you're just going.

878
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 3: Back to Yeah, you're putting a band aid on you.

879
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: You're going back to your You're you're trying it all

880
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: one and then it feels bad. So you're kind of

881
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: especially if you're trying to, you know, get that left hand,

882
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: if you're a right handed golfer trying to strengthen your

883
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: left hand, you get it over there and someone says

884
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 1: you've hit four or five balls, has a feeling, Oh,

885
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: it feels good, and you're like, dude, you're not even

886
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: doing it, it should feel horrendous.

887
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 3: And now I used to I wanted that. I wanted

888
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 3: it to feel bad and that then you feel like

889
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 3: I was getting better. I could always because I'd go

890
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 3: work on it till it didn't and then I would

891
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 3: I would see that it would. But I think you

892
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 3: can take that too far too so as you know me.

893
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 1: When you do play, whether it's recreationally or competitively. At

894
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: forty four so here in your mid forties, you've been

895
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: playing golf since you were nine nine, so you've had

896
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,959
Speaker 1: a lifetime of golf when you do play, like I said,

897
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: both for fun and in competition, what is it that

898
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: you still love about the game of golf and playing

899
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 1: the game of golf?

900
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 3: I think it it is that it's that how hard

901
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 3: it is. You know, it's just trying to trying to

902
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,439
Speaker 3: still master something that you've spent your whole life trying

903
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 3: to master. And I think I've gone more towards just

904
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 3: enjoying the process, like and I think that's kind of

905
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 3: where I'm at now as a coach, because I want

906
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 3: to my whole goal of the last few years and

907
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 3: where I've started to really enjoy my golf is I

908
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 3: want to. I'm trying to figure out a way to

909
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 3: make it the most efficient thing possible so that I

910
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 3: can help players the best. And so I'm testing on

911
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 3: myself a lot of processes and ways to go. So

912
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,959
Speaker 3: I really enjoy getting out there and just being able

913
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 3: to focus on the things that I'm trying to coach players.

914
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 3: So if I can focus on my process, have struggles, no,

915
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 3: I can stick with what I'm doing and see that

916
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 3: that works, It's easier for me to believe when I'm

917
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 3: telling players. So I think that's what I enjoy the most.

918
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 3: Now I think I don't. I don't necessarily enjoy competition,

919
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 3: you know, I like playing the game, but I like

920
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 3: the I like competition. But it's like I think I

921
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 3: just enjoy I enjoy just being out there and just

922
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 3: kind of seeing how it works and trying to just

923
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 3: kind of see how I can use it to help

924
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 3: other people. Now, if that it doesn't make sense, but

925
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 3: it's that's sort of my whole thing. It's like, I

926
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 3: just want to. I want to. I want to make

927
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 3: off easier and it's very hard, and I want to

928
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 3: find out the quickest ways to get there. It's kind

929
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 3: of like what Ryan's trying to do with everything, But

930
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 3: in my weird way, I'm just trying to do work,

931
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 3: test it more on myself, you know too, so I

932
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 3: can kind of help players, but it's it's just being

933
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 3: out there and enjoying the process of seeing myself improved

934
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 3: still at an older age, you know, and seeing if

935
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 3: I still can compete.

936
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: You've mentioned the word process numerous times, and for you,

937
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: process for you means what, But what can other players listening,

938
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: golfers that are trying to get better having a process?

939
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: What does that look like and why is that important?

940
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 3: So process for me is you're focused on things you

941
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 3: can control, right, You're focused on your breathing, You're focused

942
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 3: on decision making, you're focused on commitment. You're less focused

943
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 3: on outcome. So when you're focused on outcome, for me anyway,

944
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 3: it gets in the way of the flow of the process.

945
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 3: So if I I know that, if I focus on, Okay,

946
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:07,240
Speaker 3: what's the number here, what's the wind doing? What's my target?

947
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 3: Where can I miss make a decision? Commit and go,

948
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 3: I know I have full control over that. And if

949
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 3: I do that, that tells me I was in a

950
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 3: good place on that shot. So that's process for me

951
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 3: is more focused on being in the present, focused on

952
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 3: what I can control, and not focus on what I can't.

953
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 3: So I was always focused on what I couldn't control,

954
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 3: you know. I would always get way ahead of myself

955
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 3: or way behind myself and focus on things that I

956
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 3: had no control over, and they would get in the

957
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 3: way of what's going on in the present. And that

958
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 3: was I think why I'm so adamant now about figuring

959
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 3: that part out, figuring out how to master the process,

960
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 3: figuring out the parts that that everything that draws me

961
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 3: into what I enjoy. Golf is stuff that it was

962
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 3: never very good at. So I was a basket case

963
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 3: mentally and life and golf and everything that I'm doing,

964
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 3: and I think that's what kind of drives me every

965
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 3: single day to figure out how to get better at that.

966
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 3: So the process for me is just like, make a

967
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 3: good decision, accept the outcome, Decide what the outcome gives

968
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 3: you based on the decision. Then refine the decision if

969
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 3: you need to. If that a good decision or a

970
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 3: bad decision, Okay, if that worked, then maybe it's a

971
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 3: good decision. Try it again if it works. So I

972
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 3: start to kind of optimize decision making based on processes.

973
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 3: So it's become I don't care about outcomes anymore. I

974
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 3: care about did I go out there and commit to

975
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 3: every shot? Did I? Did I get up today? Did I?

976
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 3: You know, I'm trying to be like in everything that

977
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 3: I'm doing every at all all the time, as opposed

978
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 3: to just everywhere else. My anxiety levels kind of you know,

979
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 3: gone down being like that, and it just helps me

980
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 3: kind of enjoy each day a little bit more, which

981
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 3: you know I don't do a great job of. So

982
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 3: I think it's I'm turned to corner this last few

983
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 3: months and it's really been helping me. But I love

984
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 3: That's that's process to me. It's control what you can

985
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 3: and don't and don't worry about what you can't.

986
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: What do you say to the people that when we

987
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: say to someone that's trying to break one hundred for

988
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: the first time or ninety for the first time or

989
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: eighty for the first time, right, when we say to him, listen,

990
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: your process needs to be better, right, especially when you're

991
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: playing and they say, my golf swing's terrible. Right, what

992
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: I need to do is shank it. Least what I

993
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: need to do is top it. Least hit it fat

994
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: less right, you know, not hit toastling hooks that go

995
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: you know, fifty yards and then go into the left trees.

996
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: So that balance between process but also technique. How do

997
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: you feel like having a better process can help what

998
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: you're trying to do technically?

999
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 3: I think you got to have the technique first. I

1000
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 3: mean you got to be able to walk first. I

1001
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 3: can't teach you all right when you're running. You're trying

1002
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 3: to do this and you can't walk right. So you

1003
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 3: have to be able to hit the ball. And so

1004
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 3: once you get that, then I can start to work

1005
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 3: on Okay, now that you can do this repetitively, here's

1006
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 3: how we would bring that to the golf course. Here's

1007
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 3: how we would refine that to where you could go.

1008
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 3: But if you can't get the ball up in the air,

1009
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 3: I think you got to look at what you're doing

1010
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 3: to get the ball in the air first, and then

1011
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 3: you go from there. So once you got the technique,

1012
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 3: I think it's more a higher level you're looking at.

1013
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,959
Speaker 3: The process is going to help you more. But even

1014
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 3: somebody shoots ninety can hit the ball right. Somebod who

1015
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 3: shoes ninety can can can move the ball forward, they

1016
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 3: can do what they're trying to do. So what you

1017
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 3: can help that person has come up with a little

1018
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 3: bit of a preshow routine, a little bit of a

1019
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 3: process of how do you make better decisions based on

1020
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 3: the shot that your play that you play. So say you,

1021
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 3: I mean you've seen the members like, okay, you hit

1022
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 3: a twenty yard slice. You could stand there on the range,

1023
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 3: which you're not going to do and work on fixing that.

1024
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 3: Or you could aim a little bit more left and

1025
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 3: just play that shot and then break ninety and then

1026
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 3: if you start getting really into it, we can work

1027
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,919
Speaker 3: on refining that. So it's like process in that case

1028
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 3: would be Okay, you've got something that's repetitive, here's how

1029
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 3: we bring that into shooting a score. So I think

1030
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 3: the process is all about, you know, how you're going

1031
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 3: to turn what they have into something that helps them

1032
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 3: do what they're trying to do on the golf course.

1033
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 3: More if they don't have anything, you can't have a

1034
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 3: I topped the ball every single time. Okay, but you know,

1035
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:53,720
Speaker 3: how is your process?

1036
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:54,760
Speaker 1: How's your breathing?

1037
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 2: Hey?

1038
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 1: Yeah you did focus. You're gonna be commissioner target.

1039
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're going saying, if that's how you're looking at process,

1040
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 3: get in the air. Yeah you're not. I haven't a

1041
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 3: shot off the ground. I've missed the ball three times. Yeah, okay,

1042
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,280
Speaker 3: but did you focus on the target?

1043
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: What was your thought process? You already were you?

1044
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 3: So I think you got to kind of know when

1045
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 3: to kind of go about that. I think it's obviously

1046
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 3: it's more helpful at at a higher level, but it

1047
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 3: is helpful at every level. If you're kind of again

1048
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 3: self aware where your lane is, where you're at. If

1049
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 3: this is the player I am, and I'm not going

1050
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 3: to practice much, then play the shot and stop going

1051
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 3: to the range trying to do something you're not going

1052
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 3: to do.

1053
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: Let's go quick fire. If you're trying to break a

1054
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: hundred for the first time, give me one thing that

1055
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 1: you tell somebody. If you're trying to break one hundred

1056
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: for the first time, what do you feel like is

1057
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: some low hanging fruit to break a hundred?

1058
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 3: Try to make putts inside of five feet, like you know,

1059
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 3: get eliminate. I would say eliminate three putts, but really,

1060
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 3: if you can just make puts four feet and in

1061
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 3: like you can, you can start elimiting some of those

1062
00:49:58,239 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 3: three putts, and then I would say from there, it's

1063
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 3: find something consistent that you can get off the tee

1064
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 3: into play. Doesn't have to be in the fair way,

1065
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 3: but just need to get something into play. If you

1066
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 3: can get something into play and you cannot three put

1067
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 3: I think you're gonna start doing a little bit better

1068
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 3: with it.

1069
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,280
Speaker 1: Because obviously, working on your golf swing right and working

1070
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 1: on your technique, you know, take some athletic ability, take

1071
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 1: some physical ability, you know, take some exertion standing up there.

1072
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: But putting, I think, for you know, if you're trying

1073
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 1: to break one hundred, ninety eighty, even trying to break

1074
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: power for the first time, I think putting is something

1075
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 1: that is It doesn't take a lot of yo ball,

1076
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: what's clubhead speed ball, speed smash factor, all of that stuff.

1077
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: I think putting in short game are just so attainable

1078
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: to improve, but it's something that nobody really wants to

1079
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: try and or doesn't really like to spend time on.

1080
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: Everybody wants to be on the driving rain and everybody

1081
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: wants to improve the driver. Everybody wants to improve their

1082
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,720
Speaker 1: iron game. But I think for all of those breaking

1083
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: one hundred, breaking ninety breaking eighty breaking poor. I think

1084
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: putting in short game is such an easy way for

1085
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: you to just take some stress off of the rest

1086
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: of your game by saying to yourself, Okay, I've been

1087
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 1: working on my putting. Yam still trying to break ninety

1088
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: for the first time. Yeah, I'm still trying to break

1089
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: a hundred. But I'm not going to let I'm not

1090
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: gonna have a bad putting stroke from five feet right.

1091
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna have a massive out to in into

1092
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: out hook path, slice path with my putter. My setup

1093
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: isn't gonna be terrible. I'm gonna get into some decent

1094
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: setup with my putting, some decent setup with my short game.

1095
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: Do you think that's a good place to start.

1096
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say on top of that, it's

1097
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 3: just like anything inside thirty yards if you can get

1098
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 3: a shot that gets onto the solid onto the green, Ye,

1099
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 3: get on the green and don't three putt. I think

1100
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 3: that was like if you eliminate double chips, triple chip anything,

1101
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 3: anything that you can get from the fair or fairway

1102
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 3: or rough onto the green, and then you can two putt,

1103
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 3: your scores will come down right away. I mean that's

1104
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 3: obviously where you want to start is right around the greens.

1105
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,720
Speaker 3: If you could just have a remove all the driving

1106
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 3: ranges and just have a green and then thirty yard

1107
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,439
Speaker 3: area where you could chip around, you'd start to see

1108
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 3: people start shoot better scores because I think once you

1109
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 3: get created around the greens, it kind of bleeds into

1110
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 3: the rest of your game a little bit. So I

1111
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 3: think you kind of get creative and you learn how

1112
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 3: to actually shoot scores that way. So yeah, they be

1113
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 3: on the green in one shot and then least two putt,

1114
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 3: you know, at most two putt. You know, make make

1115
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 3: putts inside of five feet helps with that a lot

1116
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,720
Speaker 3: for sure. So yeah that at every level hundred ninety

1117
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 3: eighty seventy, you know, it's always the little things. And

1118
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 3: no matter what level you're going at, you're looking at

1119
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 3: like the the big the get the ball and play.

1120
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 3: Stop missing greens with wedges, stop three putting. You know,

1121
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 3: it's I don't think you tell you tell players at

1122
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 3: one hundred and ninety eighty so Indie college, bro, it's

1123
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 3: all the same same kind of thing. But yeah, the

1124
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 3: simpler the better.

1125
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: Lastly, you mentioned you made the decision to get sober.

1126
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,439
Speaker 1: Your life has really changed you know, I'm so proud

1127
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,280
Speaker 1: of you in the way that you've turned your life around.

1128
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: But how much do you think the game of golf

1129
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: and being around the game of golf has helped with

1130
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: your sobriety and helped you make these changes that you've

1131
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: you've made in your life.

1132
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 3: Definitely, I mean the I don't know, it's hard to

1133
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 3: say I've aluady. I felt like when I got sober

1134
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 3: this time, there was there was no really decision, it

1135
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 3: just it was something that was there was no other option,

1136
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 3: so when it happened, that was going to happen. But

1137
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 3: something led me kind of around the golf, around you

1138
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 3: and around Ryan back here. That I think is just

1139
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 3: anytime I'm off, you guys put me back on. So

1140
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 3: being around you guys, being around kids, being able to

1141
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 3: help players, watch them get better is I think it

1142
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 3: gets me up every day. It drives me. I you

1143
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 3: mentioned I'm still trying to play. My heart is fully coach.

1144
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 3: Like now I've kind of transitioned to where I'm just

1145
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 3: fully coach. I love helping players. So I think as

1146
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 3: far as that, like, it's almost like I don't have

1147
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 3: a decision to make about drinking anymore. But like I

1148
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 3: could never even think about it anymore because I'd be letting,

1149
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 3: you know, everything I do down. So I think it's

1150
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 3: it's basically given me, given me a life, it's given

1151
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 3: me everything, So I think I owe it to that

1152
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,280
Speaker 3: to just walk the line and to go. And luckily,

1153
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 3: I'm one of those people that kind of suffered enough

1154
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 3: to where I got to a point that I wanted

1155
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 3: to stop, and I was able to do it in

1156
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 3: a way that it was the obsession was removed for me.

1157
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 3: So I kind of look at myself every day as

1158
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 3: being blessed with that because I've been through it for

1159
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 3: fifteen years where I couldn't get to that point, so

1160
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 3: I don't have to like battle with that. But I

1161
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 3: know if I was not around this environment that I'm

1162
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 3: at that I would be extremely difficult for me because

1163
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 3: I'm able to come to a place every day that

1164
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,720
Speaker 3: I truly love and don't feel like I'm at work,

1165
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 3: which I don't know. I can't imagine ever finding another

1166
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 3: place like that. So you know, every day that I'm here,

1167
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 3: I just am like I just want to be here

1168
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 3: again the next day. That's why they'll take any days off.

1169
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 3: But you know, my wife would wish I would take

1170
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 3: more days off. I'm working on it. You tell me

1171
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 3: every year, all right, this year you're going to take

1172
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 3: one or two days off. I'm like, yell, right, got it.

1173
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 3: And then I'm here Sunday Monday doing lessons and so.

1174
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 3: But one of these years I will get to where

1175
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,720
Speaker 3: I'll take a few take it. I'll take a vacation

1176
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 3: and spend some time with the family.

1177
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: I promise I will give you some time off to

1178
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 1: take a vacation. Matt, great to talk to you. Like

1179
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:25,959
Speaker 1: I said, I'm proud of you. I think you're doing great,

1180
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: and you're a hugely, hugely valuable member of our team

1181
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: and someone who I have a tremendous amount of respect for,

1182
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: not only in the game, but outside the game as well.

1183
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: So thank you for talking to us today. Thank you

1184
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: very much, some of which comes to you almost every week.

1185
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: Thanks everyone for listening.