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Speaker 1: I am all in again.

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Speaker 2: Oh I do. I am all in again with Scott

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Speaker 2: Patterson and iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Clint Howard Is.

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Speaker 3: You know him from many, many, many films and TV shows.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the podcast. I've just met you today, and

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Speaker 3: tell us your impressions, Clint, of this experience. Were you

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Speaker 3: aware of gilmour Nation and how vibrant it is?

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Speaker 4: No, I had no idea about the effect that your

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Speaker 4: show had on vast numbers of the public. And it

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Speaker 4: is a testament to the writers, to the creative people,

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Speaker 4: and to the performers that something was created that magically resonates.

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Speaker 4: It happens. You're not the first show, but you got it.

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Speaker 4: I take my hat off to you that you're a

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Speaker 4: part of something that you know and it's not fake.

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Speaker 4: This is not something that's been manufactured. This was a

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Speaker 4: fan driven situation. Fan vibes, not corporate vibes. The corporations

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Speaker 4: have taken to it. Everybody wants to make a bug,

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Speaker 4: but listen it. You know, hats off and it's happened

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Speaker 4: a few times. I mean, you know, Star Trek, there

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Speaker 4: you go. Star Trek was a show that was on

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Speaker 4: for two years and it kind of was somewhat forgotten,

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Speaker 4: but it had a loyal fan base.

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Speaker 3: That's really where people don't they forget that that show

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Speaker 3: was not on very long.

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Speaker 4: No, they it was. There was an attempt to cancel

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Speaker 4: it the first season, right, apparently I was you know,

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Speaker 4: I was little, right, I was on that show.

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Speaker 1: And you've been in the business since you were a

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Speaker 1: very small child.

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Speaker 4: I've been in the business over sixty four years.

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Speaker 1: Unbelievable. Yeah, I'm sixty six. When did you get your

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Speaker 1: SAG card?

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Speaker 4: I got to think I got my SAG card in

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Speaker 4: nineteen sixty five because when when you were little, you

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Speaker 4: didn't need to join SAG. So I have a very

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Speaker 4: well you didn't know. When I was two, I signed

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Speaker 4: a SAD contract. But because I was basically a baby,

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Speaker 4: right I asked my dad, though, did I act in diapers?

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Speaker 4: And he said no, I was potty trained by the

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Speaker 4: time I became a professional actor, which is something that

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Speaker 4: a lot of actors can't really make that claim.

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Speaker 1: True.

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Speaker 4: I knew you were going on, but it's and it's

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Speaker 4: really nice. It's really nice that you as an actor.

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Speaker 4: I know a lot of actors can have the attitude

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Speaker 4: or create some sort of egotistical reason why you don't

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Speaker 4: want to participate in something like this. But listen, I

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Speaker 4: guess I'll just give you my experience and maybe you

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Speaker 4: can share yours, because this is you know, as you,

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Speaker 4: as we get older, roaming into the dinosaur age, it

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Speaker 4: begins to affect you, affects me that God, I have

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Speaker 4: had an effect. What I did as an actor has

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Speaker 4: had a profound effect on society. And I don't throw

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Speaker 4: my arm out patting myself on the back, but it's just,

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Speaker 4: you know, thank you God, and I appreciate being here,

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Speaker 4: and I hope I can live up to people's expectations,

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Speaker 4: you know, and carry on. It's just, you know, for

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Speaker 4: a long time, when I was little, I didn't care.

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Speaker 4: In fact, I really didn't want to talk about my

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Speaker 4: there's generations of you. They grew up with you, they

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Speaker 4: and I appreciate it, and you know, God bless them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, did you always embrace being a Gilmore girl? I

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Speaker 4: mean and you're not a Gilmore girl, but I don't

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Speaker 3: Was originally written as a Gilmore girl, but they changed

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Speaker 3: their minds and made it a Gilmore guy.

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Speaker 4: No, I mean, after you did the show for a

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, here's the thing.

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Speaker 3: You I didn't get into this profession until, you know,

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Speaker 1: I was in New York.

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Speaker 3: I was, you know, really studying my brains out because

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Speaker 3: And so, you know, thirteen fourteen, fifteen years later, I

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Speaker 3: So I'd already lived an entire life and gone through

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Speaker 3: I'd been through a career that you know didn't pan out,

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Speaker 3: So getting this was like this stroke of luck. And

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Speaker 3: I knew it at the time.

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Speaker 1: You knew it. As soon as I got it, I said, wow.

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Speaker 4: Episode three, Yeah, was it cooking? Oh yeah, so you

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Speaker 4: knew you guys the vibe, Oh yeah. Did you love

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh god, yeah, oh god. Yeah. We were just

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Speaker 3: This cast is like New York trained theater trained, and

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Speaker 3: and I thrived being in that environment because that that

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Speaker 1: That was it.

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Speaker 3: Man, if you didn't have the chops, you were getting

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Speaker 4: Well, okay, it was.

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Speaker 3: It was a gladiator mentality men women. I mean, my god,

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Speaker 3: the women were tougher than the men.

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Speaker 4: Now, not to name names, and I don't expect.

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Speaker 1: Right, a lot of names.

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Speaker 4: If you had that gladiator mentality, if you if you

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Speaker 1: By my response, that is true.

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Speaker 4: You're dusting off your a chops.

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Speaker 5: You're getting ready to do this material and you look

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Speaker 1: Jesus. Yeah, it didn't happen a lot here. It didn't

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Speaker 4: But the crew, so the casting gods, the casting gods

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Speaker 3: The casting absolutely, so absolutely absolutely yes.

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Speaker 4: And this is you were Gilmore Girls. Was done when

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Speaker 4: the director of a television show had some juice and

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Speaker 1: You had the Kenny or Tagas of the world.

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Speaker 4: Right, so the showrunner didn't have to be there moving

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Speaker 4: How many directors did you guys run through? Was there

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Speaker 4: five or six a year?

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, but there's if you've got if you've got

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Speaker 3: It's my week's work right in front of a live audience. Yeah, yeah, brilliant.

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Speaker 3: That's my dream job. That is that Like in the business,

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Speaker 4: It's show business. We're not show amateur. It's a business, right,

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Speaker 3: I always felt, and this was our attitude in New

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Speaker 3: to corrupt your craft, right, No way, because you are

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Speaker 3: That turns it into that you have to compromise everything

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Speaker 4: Now, when's the last time you did a stage play?

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Speaker 1: Oh god, I mean late eighties?

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Speaker 4: Wow?

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Speaker 3: So yeah, okay, but I almost you know, I got

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Speaker 3: then I was going to do Chicago on Broadway, and

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Speaker 4: You a song and dance.

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Speaker 1: Man, No, not at all.

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Speaker 4: So you were going to be in Chicago as a

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Speaker 3: Fantastic, Clint Howard, Thank you for stopping by.

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Speaker 1: We could talk all day.

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