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Speaker 1: Hey, what up? Welcome in. I'm Doug Goli. This is

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Speaker 1: all ball. We got some great stuff for you. Jordan's

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Speaker 1: Schultz is our guest and the next couple of pods. Jordan,

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Speaker 1: of course you've seen him on ESPN Uh you go

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Speaker 1: back to all the different things he's done and now

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Speaker 1: as the ultimate kind of sports insider. Wait, do you

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Speaker 1: hear what he believes is the next step for him?

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Speaker 1: Plus what was it like growing up as Howard Schultz

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Speaker 1: son during the rise of Starbucks in Seattle? And oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: by the way, during the five years in which his

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Speaker 1: dad owned the Seattle SuperSonics. We'll get to all of

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Speaker 1: it upcoming. First, a quick thought on Kevin Durant and

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Speaker 1: the fact that he's gonna have to stay in Brooklyn.

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Speaker 1: And look, I continue to believe this that you've got

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Speaker 1: guys that they don't like the way k d has

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Speaker 1: I thought bark he went, he went top rope and

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Speaker 1: it's not really called for like, Look, Barkley wasn't how

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Speaker 1: it ended in Philadelphia wasn't great. He wanted to be

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Speaker 1: traded um and I love everybody knows I've loved Charles.

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Speaker 1: We've had him on this pod. Who doesn't Who doesn't

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Speaker 1: love Charles Barkley and his honest commentary. But like, look,

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Speaker 1: he didn't hate in Oklahma City. He was just frustrated

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Speaker 1: by the ceiling of that team. Why can't we just

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Speaker 1: be honest. It was not a team built for the

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Speaker 1: twenty one century of all the shooting. They just didn't

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Speaker 1: have it. Now, they had a victory Oladipo right before

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Speaker 1: he left, and I'm thinking that team might have been

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Speaker 1: good enough, But it was a team that was built

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Speaker 1: to beat the Lakers. Two big guys, right, two big guys.

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Speaker 1: You had Ibaka and you had and he had Kendrick

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Speaker 1: an era in which teams started playing small ball or

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Speaker 1: playing with one big guy, they had to. They were

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Speaker 1: built to beat the Spurs, built to beat the Lakers,

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Speaker 1: ultimately that caught up with him. He just didn't have

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Speaker 1: he never liked he loved Oklahoma City. He was a

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Speaker 1: I I just feel like I can't win and I

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Speaker 1: the best, and he did that the finals MVP two

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Speaker 1: consecutive years, matching up with Lebron James was the better

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Speaker 1: when he came back in the NBA Finals his third year.

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Speaker 1: But it wasn't a great fit and it was one

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Speaker 1: of those could they make it work? Yeah, But I

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Speaker 1: do think that k D knew what he thought was

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Speaker 1: best for him. He made a mistake tying his wagon

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Speaker 1: way before we got to COVID stuff. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of weird off that took place. So I'm not giving

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Speaker 1: I understand it, or at least I articulate that understand

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Speaker 1: it more publicly than than most people do. That said,

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Speaker 1: like we still haven't seen what this team looks like

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Speaker 1: if you don't win this year, in Kyrie's last year,

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Speaker 1: with all three stars competing and playing camp put his

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Speaker 1: system that way. Can't make good season, massive dramatic change

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Speaker 1: a fact. All right. Let's get to Jordan Schultz, who

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Speaker 1: joins us now on the All Ball podcast. By now,

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Speaker 1: All right, Like that's you haven't had I don't feel

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Speaker 1: you have me on the show. Love All Ball. I've

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Speaker 1: You know, this is ridiculous. They were looking for me

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Speaker 1: when he told it to Clay Bennett, they had been

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Speaker 1: told that they were going to try to keep the

429
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Speaker 1: team in Seattle. It came out through emails and it

430
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Speaker 1: was an investigation and almost a federal lawsuit that they

431
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Speaker 1: weren't and they had. I think in retrospect, my dad

432
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Speaker 1: would have tried more. But I think he was a

433
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Speaker 1: combination of he was really frustrated with not getting support

434
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Speaker 1: from the council, city council, and also I think he

435
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 1: was so frustrated with the state of the of the

436
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 1: of the league and the fact that the team wasn't

437
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Speaker 1: performing the way he wanted. No people forget that that

438
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Speaker 1: was kind of a dark in the India, right, It

439
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 1: was a dark air in the NBA. That was during

440
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Speaker 1: the time when you had the Nets Spurs, the lowest

441
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 1: rated finals ever. That was when they had the institute

442
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,640
Speaker 1: the dress code because they had gotten out of control.

443
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 1: Was post Jordan era, and it was it was it

444
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Speaker 1: was like people don't it's like football, yeah right, And

445
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 1: I grew up in in Orange County, southern California. The

446
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 1: Rams and the Raiders left and people like man two

447
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: teams left, like nobody cared. Like the NFL was different

448
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 1: then the NBA then post Jordan was different. With Jordan,

449
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 1: it was the biggest league after Jordan's it fell apart.

450
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 1: So it's it's really interesting. Okay, so you go to Occidental,

451
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Speaker 1: But you did have a really good career. When did

452
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Speaker 1: it turn? When did it change? Ah? I had really

453
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Speaker 1: good games. I don't know if my career was sustained.

454
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Speaker 1: Uh who is your coach? Brian knew all he's still there.

455
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 1: He also didn't like me very much. You know, youven

456
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Speaker 1: say if you put half as much effort into your

457
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Speaker 1: defense as you're shooting, you could be all American. Now

458
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 1: you never said um I had. I think what happened

459
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 1: was um I. Once I got there, I got out

460
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 1: of that Seattle, once I got comfortable enough in l A,

461
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: um I got a better shape. I started paying attention

462
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: to more all that stuff um and started becoming a

463
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 1: somewhat important part of the team. We were nationally ranked

464
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: in the in the D three level, you know, top fifteen,

465
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Speaker 1: and we went to the tournament a couple of years

466
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Speaker 1: and so I never started. But there were games that

467
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Speaker 1: I had big games. I think one my I think

468
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Speaker 1: one game I went, I had like a seven of

469
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Speaker 1: eight for three games. We played rus of San Diego

470
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Speaker 1: the yearly, but you kind of the tournament. I had

471
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Speaker 1: an awesome game. I made a ton of threes. So

472
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Speaker 1: you know, for me, it was always it really was

473
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Speaker 1: down to was I making shots and what kind of

474
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Speaker 1: shape was I in so that I could at least

475
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 1: be adequate defensively. But I again, I never felt this

476
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Speaker 1: is this is unfortunate, and I think everybody wants this.

477
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Speaker 1: I never felt like I had a buy in from

478
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 1: my college coach. I know you've talked a lot about

479
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 1: coach Sudden what he meant to you in the program.

480
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: I never had that, you know, But I I would

481
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Speaker 1: also tell you and candidly, like you know, for me,

482
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Speaker 1: I think he bought into he knew what I could

483
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Speaker 1: do whatever. I'm sure he was frustrated with my shooting Uh, well,

484
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Speaker 1: it's because I didn't make it right. And so he's

485
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Speaker 1: just like and and he would take me out if

486
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Speaker 1: I missed. So the easy, the easy deal is like

487
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Speaker 1: if I just don't shoot and they can't take me out, right,

488
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 1: if I stay in, then we're better. I'm out playing

489
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Speaker 1: with the point guard doesn't shoot totally, but it does

490
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Speaker 1: get to a point though, where guys get frustrated. We're like, yo,

491
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Speaker 1: you gotta shoot the ball. And I'm like, you gotta

492
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Speaker 1: talk to the old man, because if I shoot the

493
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Speaker 1: ball and I missed, I'm coming out. And I know

494
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Speaker 1: that and I feel that, so I do, like I

495
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 1: just wish I was able to articulate to him because

496
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 1: we didn't have a good relationship to sit down and

497
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Speaker 1: me like, listen, I'm gonna take three spots and that's

498
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Speaker 1: all I'm gonna work on. And if I take those

499
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Speaker 1: shots I missed, you leave me in. Let's take other

500
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Speaker 1: shots to take. And had I done that and established

501
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 1: I can make these for you, but you didn't and

502
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: and and uh, I would have, I would have played

503
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Speaker 1: more minutes. I think we would have had even more

504
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Speaker 1: success than we had. You get done playing. Now, what's

505
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 1: the plan when I got done. I graduated a year

506
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Speaker 1: late because I had read shirt in my freshman year.

507
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: Totally honest, like academics. You know, ox Hills are really

508
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: good school. I always say, like it was, it was

509
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Speaker 1: really hard, so I took my time. Um, when I graduated,

510
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: my girlfriend winded up. Mary, what did you do during

511
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: that year when you're not playing? Uh? Because there was

512
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: another year? Right you you went to you went to

513
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Speaker 1: school after your eligibility inspired But I had decided I

514
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: wasn't going to play a fifth year because I was

515
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: just so frustrated at that point and I never felt okay,

516
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: so so you but you did go to school and

517
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Speaker 1: I went to school. I actually got super fat. I

518
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 1: blew up. I stopped working out. Uh put a lot

519
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Speaker 1: of weight. Let's super what's super fat for you? It's

520
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: so bad. I'm I got up to the fattest, the

521
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Speaker 1: heaviest ever was I've never said this. This is another first.

522
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: I was to seventy one. Holy shit, how to are

523
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Speaker 1: you under six three? Yeah? Yeah? I really big? Okay,

524
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: so like, no, you're doing Everybody goes said that you're

525
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: missing on like sixty pounds. That's a lot of that's

526
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 1: a lot of What was your biggest vice, what was

527
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: the worst thing. I'm not a I'm not a big

528
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: there's ferry, ferry. I love ice cream, of course. What

529
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: were your what were your toppings? The Kiwi strawberry yogurt

530
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: chips and I'm so sick. I would say it was

531
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: a Peakberry in Pasadena where I was living. I would

532
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: go this is my I would go to get Thai food,

533
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 1: which is also bad for you, and then I would

534
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: go to the Pinkberry and I would get a large

535
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: to go in a large to eat as I was there. Yeah, sick, sick.

536
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: I'm ice cream fanatic. I can put on weight really

537
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: fast because I could eat so much whatever you want

538
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: to call it. You know like when old when a

539
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: running back you see them thirty years later and you're like,

540
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: what happens all belly? That's what I was. So I

541
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:36,479
Speaker 1: could hide it. But but you're liken't think about that. Yeah, okay,

542
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: so so you so you graduate? I graduated? You still

543
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: have the year was? Yeah, I just like messed around.

544
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: I didn't but internships really competitively. I was at Fox

545
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: sports dot Com. I did an internship with the l

546
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: A Times, So those were huge internships. From me. I

547
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: stayed in l a for for the summer um and

548
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: so when I did, and then it really cemented further

549
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: admitted that I wanted to be in sports media and

550
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: then I could. I could do it. And so when

551
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: I graduated, my girlfriend who I ended up marrying, said

552
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: to me, I'm gonna I want to go to New

553
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: York City and I like, I'm going to New York

554
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: City And I was like I wanted back to Seattle

555
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: or maybe saying no, and she was like, I'm I

556
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: think you should try it for sports media. And regardless,

557
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: I'm going, I hope you come. So I wasn't. I

558
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna let I wasn't gonna be long distance with

559
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: her because I was really in love with her, and

560
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: I also knew that she was right with the sports

561
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: media element. I knew that was the best place for

562
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: New York City. I followed Um City followed New York City.

563
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: What was your what was your first gig there. I've

564
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: worked at a company called youth Star, which was it

565
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: was like a video game system where you can superimpose

566
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: yourself into old movies and reenact them. It was cool,

567
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: but actually one one problem was, uh when The New

568
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: York Times tech guy reviewed it. I think there was

569
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: like a really big bug in the system and like

570
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: broke his computer and the company just imploded. So I

571
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: so so so see here two seventy two, did you

572
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: start losing weight? Yeah? I started to get down there,

573
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: you know, two five to forty five, I got. I got,

574
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: you know, all the way down to you know, to

575
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: to twenty and right now I'm probably five. So I

576
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: got you kicked the Pinkberry. Is Pinkberry forever or is

577
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: it like a once a month? I do? I do

578
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: it now. It's not Perry now. It's just like one

579
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: of the many New York ice cream reeves. And I

580
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: don't just order. I'll wear like six pints and it's

581
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: like the one I'm gonna get you. I'm gonna get you.

582
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: So so I'm gonna get you McConnell's viroment. Baby. I'm

583
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: a big fan, I know, I said, I said. I

584
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: said something nice about them on on the Dan Patrick Show,

585
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: and I got like ten pints. It's great ice cream,

586
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: great ice cream, just to show you, like, you know,

587
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: you can get that ship. And I'm ice cream kind

588
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: of serve. So I discovered them and like, I don't know,

589
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: every three months, I'll get like a six points from

590
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: them ships Greater's, Greater's ice cream. McConnell was, Greater is

591
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: a little heavier, but I love Greaters. I love that

592
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: black raspberry fudge. Yeah, that's like their signature one. That's

593
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: really good. Well what happened, Okay, so what happened was

594
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: basically um, once once once that come. While I was

595
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: doing the Youth Start thing, I was simultaneously working not

596
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: getting paid, but I was writing a blog called ten

597
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: Feet High for a website that and I grew it

598
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: to like I don't know, fifty subscribers or something. It

599
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: did really well, and it got named Best Sports Blogs

600
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: of two thousand ten because I was writing it while

601
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: I was also working for this other company. Whenever I time,

602
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: I would just write, And eventually that led to an

603
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: opportunity of a house remember them as a as a

604
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: copy editor, and I did a lot of those like

605
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: late graveyard ships. But it was a year of that

606
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: learning how to edit stories, how to put them on

607
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: a site. And then a year after that, Tough Post

608
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: brought me in to be their sports columnist and that

609
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: was my so called you know, first break to really

610
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: right Uh stories, Now, when you're working for our post,

611
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: did they tell you like, is there a you have

612
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Speaker 1: to you have to take a left leaning land to

613
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: every story? Like is there is there any sort of

614
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: pressure to it? Um? They told you without telling you.

615
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: In other words, it's like, um, you know you you

616
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: sit in with meetings with Ari on the big you

617
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: know media, big media discussions, and there we all kinds

618
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: of discussions about everything but sports, which also made me

619
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: realize how insignificant sports was to them. But you know,

620
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: women's rights, female empowerment, um, you know, everything that everything

621
00:32:55,080 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 1: left that you could possibly imagine, um, voting, LGBT and

622
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: que it was. It dominated the discussions. Don't forget plus

623
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: plus Latin actually doesn't didn't exist then, but everything possible

624
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: we we hit on and and it. It was really

625
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: interesting for me to learn about that, even though I

626
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: wasn't writing about it. But I had never had that

627
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: kind of perspective. Um. It's also the first real news

628
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: corporation I was in it that was they were monsters,

629
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: you know. But but I think it's I think it's

630
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: interesting though that like one of the things I've struggled with,

631
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: and I again I'm not putting words in your mouth

632
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: or things thoughts in your brain. But I struggle with

633
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: the it's like two different worlds. It's in that world

634
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: of politics. You know, there's race and politics and religion,

635
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: and it can be very divisive. Whereas you know, you

636
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: grew up in Seattle, and you know, like rand Roy's

637
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,479
Speaker 1: one of your best friends. You're going like race doesn't

638
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: really sports and especially and especially West Coast, Like it's

639
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: still a little bit in the South and maybe a

640
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: little bit in the Northeast the times whatever, But in

641
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: sports and in Seattle and on the West Coast, it

642
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like it's or to me, it was never

643
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: a thing. Just wasn't um What was that like for you?

644
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: I think um sports is an unbelievable conquer of racism.

645
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 1: It provides a true even playing field where skin color,

646
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: sexual orientation, none of it matters. If you can play,

647
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: you can play, if you're a teammate. And I ate

648
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: that up. That was crucial to my development. And you know,

649
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: I remember like like after our au practices, like you know,

650
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: giving Brandon or Martella right home and and dropping them

651
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 1: off at their place and seeing the dichotomy between where

652
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: I was growing up and where they grew up. And

653
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: then you know, I had him over the house, and

654
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: you know, for me it was normal to live there,

655
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: and for them, you know, I remember when they first

656
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: came over, it was like so differ friends and seeing

657
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: how they reacted that was really important for me because

658
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: it made me appreciate that much more what I was experiencing.

659
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: So with basketball, yeah, I think you're right, especially Yeah,

660
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: the West Coast. I mean basketball in Seattle is so

661
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: important and significant that and you have you have like

662
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: the godfathers that have really brought it along. You see that,

663
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: you see Jamal's proramerg the crossover. I mean, it's massive now.

664
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Speaker 1: And so I was at the real beginning of that,

665
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: you know, when like Jamal and Aaron Brooks and all

666
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: those were stucky they were all coming up, and so

667
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: I was so invested in it that I think it

668
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: really did help me, um emotionally. The racism that I

669
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: experienced or that I saw wasn't in Seattle growing up.

670
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: It was it wasn't in l A. It's it's been

671
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: in pockets in New York City. Um, certainly, And it

672
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,439
Speaker 1: feels weird to say that because it's a melting plot,

673
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: but there's so many people and there's it's I've seen

674
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: it in your more than any other place, m Um.

675
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 1: I think also, I think also just gonna say, you know,

676
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: the whole, the whole idea that I came from where

677
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: I came from, and like you that you're not gonna

678
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: be spoiled or entitled. I've I just I've I've realized

679
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: that's impossible because I I've always parents were always like,

680
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: don't be spoiled, don't be titled, don't be that little

681
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,479
Speaker 1: rich kid. You don't want to be that. But there's

682
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 1: just certain things that I do and say that I

683
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: catch myself, but I see like that's a byproduct of

684
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: how I was raised, and I'm probably always gonna have that.

685
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 1: I'm realistic, but you're always also gonna be judged by

686
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 1: that as well. People assume and people assume a negative

687
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: stereotype even if it doesn't actually exist. Yeah, I mean,

688
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: so there's that's that's when when I and I say

689
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: how it was raised, I meant really how I were

690
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 1: the way manner which I grew up. But my when

691
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: I went when I met my wife and I met

692
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 1: my girlfriend, her dad didn't want to meet me because

693
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: he just assumed that you know, what do you assumed?

694
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: And we've become really close subsequently, but and he's apologized.

695
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: But that's happened a lot. And that's why I said,

696
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 1: I'm so engaged with with what people are perceiving. And

697
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: I will go I will do things that nobody else

698
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: will do. I feel like when I when I when

699
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: I meet with's somebody for the first time, or I

700
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: need to make an impression that's so positive in my

701
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: mind because I know what they want to think, I

702
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: know where they want to go. You've done a really

703
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: remarkable job in sports media of having connections in multiple sports, right,

704
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 1: Like we all start and mask like and look, I've

705
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: done national radio for twenty years and I've done a

706
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: TV TV show, my own other TV shows. Whatever. You're

707
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: still and I don't think it's necessary, and you have stereotype,

708
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: but you still get kind of typecast as you're a

709
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: basketball guys, right, But you've done a really impressive job

710
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: of creating alliances and connections in all sports. The things

711
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: that you break, the stories that you know, the depth

712
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: that you provide. How do you have you been able

713
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: to do that? I really appreciate that. It means a lot. Um,

714
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: and I I think you were on ESPN when I

715
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: was in college. What what what you were you on

716
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: ESPN two oh three? Oh I started there, oh two

717
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: oh three to two thousand and twelve. Yeah, I was.

718
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: I was in high school when you were on the SPAN,

719
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: So I was watching you, not not the Days through Douglas. No,

720
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: it's okay, I mean it's it's really it's a weird.

721
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: It's been a very interesting existence, you know. And I

722
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: remember you were definitely one of the guys that I

723
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: was like, I I want to do that, you know,

724
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: the Eisans Scott's Mains, Patricks, the you know. I watched

725
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: ESPN religiously. So to answer your question, Um, I was

726
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: so desperate and hungry to be successful in the space

727
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: that when I first jumped into it, and I love

728
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: sports so much. When I first jumped into it, I decided,

729
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do everything, especially basketball, football. But I'm not

730
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 1: gonna I'm not gonna pigeonholed myself. I'm gonna just do

731
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: all the sports. And because I can do it, because

732
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 1: I love all sports, and nobody knows sports like me.

733
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 1: Everyone thinks and within that I started developing relationships over

734
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: time with different people in different leagues, across different sports,

735
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 1: and I think, um as I've grown in the space,

736
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: especially over the last several years here, is that I

737
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: really want to do it through the lens of the athlete,

738
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: because that's how I always identified myself. And I think

739
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 1: also one thing that I haven't talked about a love publicly,

740
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: but it's important for me, is that when we have

741
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: the Sonics, I saw firsthand and the way the Seattle

742
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: media would just hammer guys um oftentimes unwarranted and it it.

743
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: I hated it, and I because I knew a lot

744
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: of the guy I was friendly with all with all

745
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 1: of them, and at one at one point in college,

746
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: I was working out with them, so I was around it,

747
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 1: and I saw what they put into it to get

748
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: to try and have success in that league and what

749
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: it was, how mentally draining, physically, emotionally, what it did

750
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: to their families. So when I saw the way media

751
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: would ruthlessly go after guys, I I just decided that's

752
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,720
Speaker 1: how I was never gonna be was through the opposite.

753
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: I was gonna pump guys up. I was gonna try

754
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: to present through the lens of the athlete, what's under

755
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: the helmet or what's that person going through? And so

756
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 1: I think that's really helped me having a clear cut mission,

757
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: and then over the last year, finally making the decision

758
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: after so many conversations with different executives and even family

759
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: of you cannot do, as my parents would say, you

760
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: can't dance everyone's wedding, pick one thing. So I've really

761
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: league picked the NFL ironically to be an insider in

762
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: that sport, while still providing basketball commentary, maybe some reporting,

763
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 1: and using those relationships to help advance the story. But

764
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: knowing that I'm going to really focus on the NFL,

765
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: I think has been really helpful. M Well, what I

766
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:25,439
Speaker 1: what I realized why, was that the NFL is even

767
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: all a basketball guy through and through, and that's my

768
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: favorite sport. Football. The NFL really is the true three

769
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: sport in terms of media interests. All the way that

770
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 1: the league has marketed events to combine the Senior Bowl,

771
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: of the Draft, everything about it. It's just the calendar

772
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 1: goes NonStop. And I think also I realized, if I'm

773
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: gonna break stories, just the numbers game of it is

774
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 1: much more, much more um opportunistic in the NFL because

775
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: there's some more players. You have your act to fifty three,

776
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 1: your practice bad guys. In the NBA, it's like twelve guys,

777
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: and there's so many more agents in the NFL. There's more,

778
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: there's more executives. There's just more opportunity, just more. There's

779
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: just more. There's just more. There's just more. I I

780
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 1: totally get. Here's the other part that that you should

781
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: think about using word because people will use against you

782
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: why you're a basketball guy like okay, but if you

783
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: look at the people in the news breaking space, right,

784
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: they're not athletes at all, They're just reporters. So having

785
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: an athletic background actually is you can relate and understand

786
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 1: more of the athletes. You can relate and understand more

787
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: with the agents. But like I'll just say, like I

788
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: got to do a TV game for Fox the Bears

789
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: versus the Dolphins a couple of years ago, and I'll

790
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: never forget I walk, I walk into beating in Dave

791
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: or going comes out and use the quarterbacks coach with

792
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 1: the Bears. Okay, and I remember David were going from

793
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: playing LOUISVILLI played in the NFL obviously, and all he

794
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: want to talk about with Louisville. Who that's it, right.

795
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: He's like, I'll tell you everything you want to know

796
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: about Travisky, but you gotta tell me everything about the hoops, right.

797
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,479
Speaker 1: And so we sat and talked for like an hour

798
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: and literally every person I've I've met in the NFL,

799
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: you know, I live in UH in Orange County, close

800
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 1: to the right, real close to the Chargers, right basically

801
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: in between the Rams and the and the Chargers. UH

802
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: do camp and the Chargers until they moved to Elsa Gando.

803
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: This is where they operate their headquarters out of Customation.

804
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: And every time I walk into their building or go

805
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: to their practice one of these systems, one of the

806
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: players comes up and they want to They want to

807
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: talk hoops, and it's a it's a way in to

808
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: their world by letting you by talking that I do

809
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: want to ask. You must feel it, they know it,

810
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: and I think, because I think also taking it a

811
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: step further beyond just the sports, is that because I

812
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: was able, because I grew up the way I did,

813
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: there's a I think there's a sophistication to it being

814
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: in the room, as being in the same room as

815
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: like world leaders and pop stars, and mega athletes made

816
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: me so much more comfortable as a young man to

817
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: now be in this position to see the athlete as

818
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: a human being first and not be intimidated. I think

819
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: that's been really important as well. Yeah, the lack of

820
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: intimidations that is a is a huge, huge element to it,

821
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: and it also brings the level of sophistication that you're

822
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: not just going to put out there any message they

823
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: want out there. You know, there has to be a

824
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: you know, I can't be used in this thing like

825
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: everything it's it's it's a genuine has to be a

826
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: genuine relationship. You are close, I know on some level

827
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: to the nets durant situation. How did that happen? How

828
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: did they? How did that happen? Where they're not they're gonna,

829
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: at least for now stayed again. Well, I think everyone

830
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: within the NETS organization number one was really disappointed with

831
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: how things ended with James Harden. You know he when

832
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 1: the Nets got him. I remember talking to to them

833
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: two players and they're like the thing and being like

834
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: there's only one ball, how's this gonna work? And guys,

835
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: we're talking to c J him saying James just a

836
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: hooper he'll figure it out, and for a long time

837
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: he did. But him not being in good shape, not

838
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: showing up that war on that team. So you had

839
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: that and the number two Kyrie not getting a vaccination.

840
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: Whether or not you whether you agree with him or not,

841
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: is in material. But he got hurt. He got hurt

842
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: when they're being they're beating the Bucks, he gets hurt. Right,

843
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: they doesn't get vaccine. And the part to it that

844
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: I've been told, which is a real thing, is like

845
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: they never had the group together in training camp. So

846
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: you can't have a system if you don't have time

847
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: to put in the system. And with a coach who,

848
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: even though his basketball knowledge is superior, his coaching knowledge

849
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: is Nathan. So I think Steve became the puppets not

850
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: the right word, I've heard that, but he became very

851
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: easily moved around and it became clear that that he

852
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Speaker 1: was just there to make sure everything ran as well

853
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Speaker 1: as it could. But when so when Kyrie gets hurt,

854
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: doesn't get back, he's not there, he's not even the

855
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 1: building that he's playing at home, and he's not traveling.

856
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: That wore down that team as well. And I think ultimately,

857
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: you know Kevin I think what people don't understand about

858
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Speaker 1: Kevin Durant maybe they do now you tell me, is

859
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: is just how much he cares and how sensitive is

860
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 1: he's a really I think I'm biased, but I think

861
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Speaker 1: Kevin is a great guy. But he but he's sensitive

862
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: and in a good way. He cares what people are

863
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: saying clearly, and he sees everything. He's so he's really

864
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: shrewd and smart with how he he listens and he

865
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: sees and hears everything. So when you see him clapping

866
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: back on social that's him genuinely caring. I think ultimately,

867
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: when James gets traded, they had this hope we can

868
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: salvage this thing with Ben Simmons. But from what I

869
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:13,720
Speaker 1: was told from from the nets was that Simmons between

870
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: the back and some of the emotional stuff, he was

871
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 1: just never there. It was never gonna happen. So there

872
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 1: was so much negative energy in that whole operation. That's

873
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: where you saw Kevin this summer saying I want to

874
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: be somewhere else, and candidly, I think it's now come out.

875
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: But I remember at the time Rich Kleiman said telling me,

876
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: you know, I've been clearer with him. I want I

877
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: prefer he stayed in Brooklyn, and you know, this is

878
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: his decision, this is the impasse. But I think ultimately

879
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: this was always the most likely scenario, and I think

880
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: it's the best scenario in terms of you know, being

881
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: trying to be successful in that next year if they're

882
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: both healthy, well, Kyrie Brie in Brooklyn next year, Yeah,

883
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: I think he will be because here's you know, I've

884
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: been critical with Sean Marks full disclosure. I don't know

885
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 1: if you have a relationship with him. I've been critical

886
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: of him for not really having a culture Kyrie. But

887
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: they had the culture before they brought these two guys in.

888
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: That was the whole thing was they had had a culture.

889
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 1: Huh before they brought Kyriean k D and Kyrie in, Right,

890
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 1: they had a great culture. How do you build a

891
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: culture when point guards not there? And how to build

892
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 1: a culture when the point guard says, we don't really

893
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: need a head coach? How to be able a culture

894
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,439
Speaker 1: when I need the point guard when the point guard

895
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: comes in and look, I think, how he's an incredible talent,

896
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,439
Speaker 1: but he was the one who said, like, basically, half

897
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: these guys won't be here when we're any good anyway, right,

898
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: it's it's it's impossible to build a culture like that. Yeah.

899
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: I was critical of the move when they fired Kenny.

900
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: I didn't get that and like it at all. I

901
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: understood why they hired Steve, But to me, they need

902
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: and meet they needed and need a head coach who

903
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: has real head coach sperience, students and can say oh

904
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: to Kevin or no to Kyrie. But ultimately, if you're

905
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: asking me right now, I believe that Kyrie will be

906
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: there next year, the Net the next the Nets know

907
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: that if Kyrie and Kevin are both right, they it's

908
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: so hard not to see what that elevator could be

909
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: because I could be that. That was That was my

910
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: statement on my last pod, which which was which is like, look,

911
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: anybody who says that you know what it looks like,

912
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: you're lying because no one knows. You never had never

913
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,919
Speaker 1: had a training camp with all three stars there ever

914
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: you know, and so give it a legit chance to

915
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: see what it looks like, and then if it doesn't work,

916
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: you break them apart. Yeah, I mean, you go back

917
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: to the Milwaukee series where Harden's basically we'll play on

918
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 1: one leg. They almost beat the Bucks obviously Kevin's foot

919
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: on the three point line. Whatever Milwaukee wins it. I mean,

920
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: how it's different is this conversation if they end up

921
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: winning the title that year, Kyrie doesn't get hurt it said,

922
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: It's like it's a different it's a different play. All right,

923
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: here's what we're gonna do. This is a part one. Okay, Well,

924
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: anytime in the next couple of days, we'll figure out

925
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: part two. Okay, I want to get into how does

926
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Speaker 1: you dub basketball get fitched? I want to get into Okay,

927
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Speaker 1: I want to get we'll have we gotta have a

928
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: Brandon Roy what could he have been? Kind of discussion,

929
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: and then we gotta figure out, um, this bringing everybody

930
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: wants to bring a team back to Seattle, what does

931
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: that actually look like? Yeah, I mean these are all

932
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 1: three of them can be their own pots. So I

933
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: am all in bro al right, I cannot believe you

934
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Speaker 1: were You shared that you were too seventy two when

935
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: you're in college it was one point five. Actually, well,

936
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: you know what the worst part is. The body PA

937
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: percentage was like I want to say, it was like

938
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 1: thirty thirty one. Damn, dude, just let yourself go. But

939
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: then you know. You know, my dad said, I'm never

940
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 1: are we start recording? Yeah, my dad said, I came

941
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: home for like Christmas or spring breaking and and see

942
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 1: me because I wasn't playing games. You know, they would

943
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: come when I was octinal they come to seven five

944
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: six seven games years so they hadn't come, and um,

945
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: I came home and I walked in the door and

946
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: he did a double take and he was like, are

947
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 1: you trying to play backup? Fullback for the Huskies? And

948
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: when my dad gave me that ship, and then my

949
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: mom was like, I agree, I knew I had a problem.

950
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 1: So that was that was actually when I started to lose.

951
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: All right, fair enough, thank you for thank you for

952
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: all this disclosing all this stuff that will forever be used. Yeah,

953
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: exactly good in the court of public Go Marris, we'll

954
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: do We'll do part two soon. Thanks for joining me.

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Speaker 1: By wow, that was a great part one. Part two

956
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: will get to when, the when and how the Sonics

957
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: will come back, Jordan versus Lebron and the difference in

958
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: breaking news in the NBA and breaking news in the

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Speaker 1: NFL reminded. The Doug Gotting Show is twelve to three

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Speaker 1: Fox Sport Trade, dot Com, the I Heart Radio app,

962
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Speaker 1: and I believe serious sex m although they screwed around

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Speaker 1: with the channels, and we'll tell you when they get

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Speaker 1: it all figured out. I'm Doug Gottlib. This is all

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