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Speaker 2: Happy Wednesday to you and yours who hump day. You

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Speaker 2: could have a lot of different meetings for a Wednesday

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Speaker 2: for some of us who are here on Sunday, like yourself, Well,

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Speaker 2: it's not even your hump Day because you are here. Oh,

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Speaker 2: I know Saturday and Sunday, but now you're starting the week.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of a hump day for me. We're just

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Speaker 2: happy it's Wednesday. We made it to Wednesday. We're a

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Speaker 2: day away from Week five in the NFL and more.

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Speaker 2: College football and baseball has been able to soothe our

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Speaker 2: senses for at least a few days in these afternoons

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Speaker 2: with the wild card games. But I'm telling you, Monci,

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Speaker 2: not everything is right with these best of three series.

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Speaker 3: I don't disagree with you there, Dan, could we have

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Speaker 3: been more interested in the games happening on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: I'll I think there's a lot to that and what's

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Speaker 2: going on with this landscape of Major League Baseball right now,

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Speaker 2: because I think it's neat. I think it's great when

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Speaker 2: you're at work. Maybe you're in Cleveland, maybe you're in Detroit.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you're a Tigers or Guardians fan, Cubs and Padres

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Speaker 2: not a lot of work is getting done today, and

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Speaker 2: it's great to have meaningful baseball during the day. I

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Speaker 2: understand all of that. I get all of that, but

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Speaker 2: I'm just wondering on how much stock is being put

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Speaker 2: into these best of three series. You're a Dodgers fan.

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Speaker 2: The Dodgers welcome the Reds to town last night in

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Speaker 2: Game one of a series where the Dodgers have had

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Speaker 2: the Reds number all season long, and it happened again

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Speaker 2: last night. Now, there may have been some hairy instances,

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Speaker 2: but by and large, the Dodgers were basic cruise control

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Speaker 2: for much of the night. You're at Dodger Stadium. I

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Speaker 2: don't know how many times a week, but you're there

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Speaker 2: every single week of the season and every single week

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Speaker 2: of the offseason. Was there any buzz in advance of

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Speaker 2: last night's Wildcards start against the Reds.

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Speaker 4: No, not a lot. It was not a sold out game.

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Speaker 3: You could have still literally walked up to the stadium

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Speaker 3: to the box office and bought tickets. In fact, I

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Speaker 3: think you could have gotten cheaper tickets from third party

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Speaker 3: of season ticket holders who did not seem to care

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Speaker 3: necessarily about playing the Cincinnati Reds in a Wildcard series

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Speaker 3: best of three in LA. And it has more to

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Speaker 3: do with a couple things. As a Dodger fan, we've

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Speaker 3: done this before, we've been here. Yes, a lot like

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Speaker 3: going to the postseason. We're very lucky fan base. We've

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Speaker 3: go that's our norm is to go to the postseason.

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Speaker 3: And I do think if the Mets would have clinched,

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Speaker 3: it would have been different. I do think that. I

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Speaker 3: think there's a little bit more bad blood but with

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Speaker 3: the Reds, like, oh the Reds are and how great

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Speaker 3: is that? I love Kellie Dill, Yes, I love Ellie

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Speaker 3: de Lacruz. You know, Hunter Green goes back to where

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Speaker 3: his roots are from first playoff game in LA. That's

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Speaker 3: tough for anybody. He gets quickly lit up lead off

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Speaker 3: home run from Sho Heyo Tani settles in, but Blake's

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Speaker 3: now Like you said in Cruise Control, there was a

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Speaker 3: moment where the yeah, yeah, yeah, we were at the

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Speaker 3: that to us. But luckily we ended up coming out

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Speaker 3: with the win. But it wasn't a sold out game.

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Speaker 3: Even our tours were not that busy, Like it was

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Speaker 3: such a calm day for a quote unquote postseason October baseball.

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Speaker 4: Not really, but baseball?

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Speaker 2: Does that make a bad baseball fan? Like, I'm not

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Speaker 2: saying that the Dodgers are baseball fans. Are they spoiled fans?

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Speaker 4: How can I say that we're not spoiled? Of course

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but maybe it's just or is it

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Speaker 3: that the wild Card series extending this way was unnecessary?

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Speaker 2: I almost feel that the Dodgers because and I don't

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Speaker 2: I think we criticized Braves fans in the past of

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Speaker 4: Mariners fans, Yes.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly, Yes, exactly that they are. They are living

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Speaker 2: the high and they get that.

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely so funny that you say that, because my dad

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Speaker 3: asked me to buy I'm a divisional hat and I said, why.

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Speaker 2: Do you make them? Do they make them? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: No, no, no they do. But my dad I said,

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Speaker 4: why bah, why?

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Speaker 4: You have last years and I think I gave you

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Speaker 4: the year before. Like I couldn't believe he asked me

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Speaker 2: He's crazy they should just put like a rotational number,

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Speaker 2: you know that you change at the end, right, right.

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Speaker 4: That would be funnier and more correct. Jesus, change it.

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Speaker 2: Take the year each night, you could be like what

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Speaker 2: division championshoild be? You gonna rock? I'm gonna go twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty two. So then you just adjust the number on

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Speaker 4: I love that. Hold on, jan write that down. You're

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Speaker 4: onto something. That's a great idea.

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Speaker 2: You could do it. I mean, like truly, And that's

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Speaker 2: that's the spoiled nature of it. Doesn't make them a

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Speaker 2: correct and I think that's what's kind of starting to

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Speaker 2: get at what we saw last night. Jason Stewart, executive

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Speaker 2: we allude to him when Doug is out. But you

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Speaker 2: of the not showing up to Monzie's point where you

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean if You're a Dodger fan. You know

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Speaker 5: So it just struck me as strange. And if the

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Speaker 5: It's almost like a you have to be counterintuitive as

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Speaker 5: The drama might be right around the corner. It almost

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Speaker 2: And I think that's the bigger picture of it. Because

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Speaker 2: Jason called it a playoff game, it is a playoff

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Speaker 2: game where in the postseason, I don't think everyone looks

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Speaker 2: I don't see an empty seat at Cubbs have made

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Speaker 2: It's also a thing to do. It's Wrigley Field Day

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Speaker 2: Baseball and Monci and you can win this series today,

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Speaker 2: So there's a reason to show up. And this is

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Speaker 2: Dodger fans spoiled because I look at what's happening in

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Speaker 2: Cleveland right now, and Breeze going to have our update

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Speaker 2: on what's happening between the Tigers and Guardians. But it's

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Speaker 2: bottom of the sixth inning, one to one. Detroit is

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Speaker 2: up one to zero in the series. The story of

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Speaker 2: the last month at Major League Baseball has been the

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Speaker 2: collapse of the Tigers and the rise of the Guardians.

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Speaker 2: Believe Land was the name that was brought back because

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Speaker 2: a variety of empty seats in the lower bowl and

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Speaker 2: a variety of empty seats in the upper deck. Yes,

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Speaker 2: he was going to get to variety if Lebron kept

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Speaker 2: on talking. There was so many empty seats now you're

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Speaker 2: saying how many empty seats were they were there. I

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Speaker 2: can't give you an exact number, but I can't tell

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Speaker 2: you this that the Guardians game yesterday against the Tigers

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Speaker 2: drew twenty six and sixty eight fans. That isn't capacity, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that sounds low.

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Speaker 2: What is capacity the last week? And I'll get to

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Speaker 4: That's okay.

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Speaker 2: Last week the Tigers and Guardians played as series for

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Speaker 2: Every single one of those three games drew higher than

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Speaker 2: Game one of the wild card series yesterday.

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Speaker 4: Well, damn, that's part of the problem. Why are they

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Speaker 3: We just saw how many games between the I was

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Speaker 3: gonna say the Cavalieres, the Guardians and the Tigers. If

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Speaker 3: you were a Guardians fan, like you said, this was

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Speaker 3: the most interesting story the last month of baseball. At

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Speaker 3: one point, fifteen games, fifteen and a half games out

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Speaker 3: right here they are winning the division. If you were

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Speaker 3: a Guardians fan, you probably spent your money this past homestand,

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Speaker 3: right you, you spent your money this past homestand and

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Speaker 3: now the people are here like great, So I paid

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Speaker 4: That's this isn't I don't like this.

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Speaker 2: This is this is why you can't fool baseball fans. Yes,

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Speaker 2: is because they understand, They understand what is happening and

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Speaker 2: what is at stake. Last week, the game against the Tigers,

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Speaker 2: of them making or not making the postseason was much

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Speaker 2: more valuable. It completed their journey, this run that they

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Speaker 2: were on, That's what it was a part of. Now

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Speaker 2: I understand the game was in the daytime yesterday, the

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Speaker 2: I just don't know how you could ever say that

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Speaker 2: a regular season game would draw more than a playoff game.

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Speaker 2: And that is what we have here. And the Cubs

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Speaker 2: today can clinch. The Yankees cannot clinch. If you have

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Speaker 2: if you would why you would use the ticket, Manzi,

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Speaker 2: because if you were to pay money for that ticket,

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Speaker 2: you are either seeing your team live another day to

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Speaker 2: Game three, which is the much more valuable ticket the

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Speaker 2: next day, or you're watching them lose and have their

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Speaker 2: season end. There's just not as much value for all

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Speaker 2: of these teams. Now. The Mariners different. I actually thought

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Speaker 2: it was going to be different with Cleveland, Yeah, but

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Speaker 4: I don't know how to fix it, but they shouldn't.

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Speaker 3: You shouldn't see a division rival in the wildcard when

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Speaker 2: The drawback is is somebody's going to get an unfair

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Speaker 4: The life is not fair?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually, and I'm totally fine with that. Like

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Speaker 4: Then somebody flips the coin and you're right.

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Speaker 2: So you're gonna be somewhere like the Red Sox Orioles

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Speaker 2: The divisional series will I think will be sold out,

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Speaker 4: Still underwhelming the last closest if they're.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, then it'll be And that's what I'm thinking.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so that that will be the case. Do

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Speaker 2: you think there's a big problem Jason, Like, do you

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Speaker 5: Oh? I do?

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think there also is a socioeconomic angle to this.

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Speaker 5: I think that it's unfair to everybody, and the fan

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Speaker 5: Red Sox would have played the Guardian, Right. I don't

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Speaker 2: There's also so you'd rather see if you're a Yankees

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Speaker 2: we're missing out. We just missed out on possibly three

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Speaker 3: Know, I mean, you still go, you still get your

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Speaker 2: So if you're the so so, the Guardians and Tigers,

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Speaker 2: this would this would be the scenario that we laid out.

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Speaker 2: The Guardians would have played exactly exactly, and the Tigers

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Speaker 3: The Yankees would have hosted the Tigers, and the Tigers

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Speaker 2: Is that fair to Cleveland? You think that they would

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Speaker 3: I do, especially because of their particular schedule that ended

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Speaker 2: That's how the cookie crumbles, Like matches in the NFL

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Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, yeah, life is on fire.

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Speaker 2: I just think that you just pocket the matchup that

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Speaker 2: we're talking about the Phillies. No disrespect to the Reds,

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Speaker 2: but that's you know, a scenario here. But how many

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Speaker 2: how many opponents of the Guardians can you have that

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Speaker 3: I mean, maybe it was just a wrong decision to extend.

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Speaker 2: Play better Dodgers, play better Dodgers, get a buye and

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if that's any better.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I keep done.

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Speaker 5: And you know, and then not worry about Can I

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Speaker 5: And Yankee fans tend to be pessimistic. They tend to

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Speaker 2: And if you were to go tonight, why wouldn't you

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Speaker 4: Right? You would wait for a game.

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Speaker 2: Three absolutely, So if you have to get off of

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Speaker 2: there's just not a lot of value when you drop

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Speaker 3: If we were to do what you know, Jason and

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Speaker 3: If we don't want the division, we'll just get in

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Speaker 2: You just said it that the Dodgers you weren't good

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Speaker 3: Know you don't want to like plan like that, be like, no,

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Speaker 3: we should try. We should lose lose this game, so

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Speaker 3: we don't. I know you don't want to do that,

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Speaker 2: it when people call the w NBA the W. It

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Speaker 2: annoys me, like no other the W.

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Speaker 7: What about the m NBA here, you gom, let's just

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Speaker 7: call it yes, No, it's just WNBA, Like they're trying

441
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Speaker 7: to sound cool.

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Speaker 2: They're trying to sound a hit by calling it the W.

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Speaker 2: Here's my suggestion. Okay, instead of calling it the W,

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Speaker 2: let's call it the T because there is always ta

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Speaker 2: going on with the W. Nbaat hit her up at

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Speaker 2: Manzy Belayes. You can find me at dan Byer on Fox.

447
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Speaker 2: You know where you can always hear us on the

448
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Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app.

449
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Speaker 4: Oh yes you can. With iHeartRadio app.

450
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Speaker 3: You can stream us wherever you happen to be. Catch

451
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Speaker 3: us and all of our Fox Sports Radio shows live

452
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Speaker 3: twenty four to seven in the new and improved iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 3: Just search Fox Sports Radio in the app to stream

454
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Speaker 3: us live all day, every day, and be sure to

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Speaker 3: select Fox Sports Radio as one of your preselets in

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Speaker 3: the iHeart Radio app so it always pops up at

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Speaker 3: the top of your screen.

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Speaker 4: Super easy.

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Speaker 2: It's funny because you heard Brie say that the Browns

460
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Speaker 2: have made a change at quarterback, something we're going to

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Speaker 2: get to in about twenty minutes or so. The change

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Speaker 2: at quarterback is Dylan Gabriel in for Joe Flacco. I

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Speaker 2: did not mention should or Sanders, but somehow, some way,

464
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Speaker 2: Should door Sanders has also become a part of the

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Speaker 2: conversation of that comes up in about twenty five minutes.

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Speaker 2: But you know it's the middle of the show, in

467
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Speaker 2: the middle of the week. That means it's not getting

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Speaker 2: mind you, it's time for stuck.

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Speaker 6: Midway.

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Speaker 2: I think I mischaracterized Jason Stewart when I called him

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Speaker 2: the thoughtful critic? Was it thoughtful skeptic? Which one was it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, skeptic is better. Let's I thought, whatever

473
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Speaker 5: makes me sound smarter.

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Speaker 2: As Doug calls him, the Jason prefers thoughtful skeptic and

475
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Speaker 2: Jim Rome called him the benign troll.

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Speaker 5: I like that one too.

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Speaker 2: I like that one too, benign troll. What have we

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Speaker 2: got for the midway today, Jason?

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Speaker 5: Okay, so we got some drama in the w n

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Speaker 5: b A. We're not talking about matchups. We're not talking

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Speaker 5: about box scorers. I don't know who is still playing

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Speaker 5: in the w NBA playoffs, but this story peaked my

483
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Speaker 5: interest yesterday. There's so many layers to this, but I think, uh,

484
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Speaker 5: tell me if I'm misrepresenting her Manci the FISA Collier

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Speaker 5: is one of the best players in the league.

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Speaker 4: Sure absolutely, candidate absolutely and has her champion.

487
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Speaker 5: Another league the unrivaled. Correct, she took a torch to

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Speaker 5: the commissioner of the NBA. This Kathy Eggbert Engelbert, Engelbert Engelbert. Yes,

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Speaker 5: the WNBA. Some call it the w I call it

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Speaker 5: the t I want to give you guys a little

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Speaker 5: taste of what Nafisa Collier said about the WNBA's commissioner yesterday.

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Speaker 8: Our leadership's answer to being held accountable is to suppress

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Speaker 8: everyone's voices by handing out fines. I'm not concerned about

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Speaker 8: a fine. I'm concerned about the future of our sport.

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Speaker 8: At some point, everyone deserves to hear the truth. We

496
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Speaker 8: have the best players in the world, we have the

497
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Speaker 8: best fans in the world, but right now we have

498
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Speaker 8: the worst leadership in the world. If I didn't know

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Speaker 8: exactly what the job entailed, maybe I wouldn't feel this way.

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Speaker 8: But unfortunately for them, I do. We save a league

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Speaker 8: that has shown they think championship coaches and Hall of

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Speaker 8: Fame players are dispensable. And that's fine, it's professional sports.

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Speaker 8: But I will not stand quietly by and allow different

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Speaker 8: standards to be applied at the league level.

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Speaker 5: Now, then she starts getting into relaying a private conversation

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Speaker 5: that she had with the commissioner. I think it was

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Speaker 5: after last season. An example is what the commissioner told

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Speaker 5: her about Caitlyn Clark.

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Speaker 8: At unarrival this past February. I sat across from Kathy

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Speaker 8: and asked how she planned to address the officiating issues

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Speaker 8: in our league. Her response was, will only the losers

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Speaker 8: complain about the refs. I also asked how she planned

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Speaker 8: to fix the fact that players like Caitlin, Angel and Page,

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Speaker 8: who are clearly driving massive revenue for the league, are

515
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Speaker 8: making so little for their first four years. Her response was,

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Speaker 8: Caitlyn should be grateful she makes sixty million off the court,

517
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Speaker 8: because without the platform that the WBA gives her, she

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Speaker 8: wouldn't make anything.

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Speaker 2: Mantzi, what do you think that same conversation.

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Speaker 8: She told me players should be on their knees thanking

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Speaker 8: their lucky stars for the media rightesteal that I got them.

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Speaker 8: That's mentality driving our league from the top. We go

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Speaker 8: to battle every day to protect a shield that doesn't

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Speaker 8: value us. The league believes it succeeds despite its players,

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Speaker 8: not because of them.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, Monsy, so.

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Speaker 3: I totally agree with you, Dan, and maybe we should

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Speaker 3: call this league the Tea because there is always tea,

529
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Speaker 3: and this is good tea. I don't know if we

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Speaker 3: ever really see a star in another professional sport attacking

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Speaker 3: commissioner like this.

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Speaker 4: With specifics. And when I heard.

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Speaker 3: This by NOFEASTA Collier, because I first saw it like

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Speaker 3: in a written statement, like a quote, and I was like, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: I have to listen to it. I want to know

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Speaker 3: how it came off right. So I watched the video.

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Speaker 4: While I was working at the Dodgers yesterday and I

538
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Speaker 4: was like, okay, girl, why not? Why not call her out?

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Speaker 3: Because I do think that the leadership of the WNBA

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Speaker 3: has failed at times, especially since Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese,

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Speaker 3: Pagebeckers has come into the have come into the league,

542
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Speaker 3: and they have not fixed the officiating issues. It's hard

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Speaker 3: to watch the WNBA and everybody was getting hurt, not

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Speaker 3: just Caitlin Clark, which it was a huge blow to

545
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Speaker 3: the season, not just Angel Reese. There were clear issues

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Speaker 3: and I have called out the WNBA players for not

547
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Speaker 3: handling themselves well throughout this entire two years?

548
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Speaker 4: Was it with Kitlin Clark and the Angel Reese around?

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Speaker 3: And now I'm like, you know what, girls, I may

550
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Speaker 3: have been too harsh on you, because you're right. If

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Speaker 3: this was your leadership, if this is how the commissioner

552
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Speaker 3: is thinking, then how are you not going to act out.

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Speaker 4: The leadership needed to step in from the beginning.

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Speaker 3: And I'm sorry, but I agree with the FSA collier

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Speaker 3: there is.

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Speaker 2: There is something. I don't know if ironics the right phrase,

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Speaker 2: but I just find it interesting that now is the

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Speaker 2: point where players care about the officiating in the WNBA.

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Speaker 2: That it's now at this point when the VISA collier

560
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Speaker 2: gets injured, And a point that's been brought up when

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Speaker 2: we started paying attention to the WNBA last year because

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Speaker 2: of Caitlin Clark and the physical play that came with

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Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark. At that point was not a problem with

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Speaker 2: the WNBA officials at least the play didn't seem that

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Speaker 2: they had a problem with the WNBA officials at that

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Speaker 2: point in how Caitlyn Clark was officiated. Now this is

567
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Speaker 2: this is not meant to be a let's bring it

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Speaker 2: all back to Caitlin Clark sort of deal. But the

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Speaker 2: FISA Collier is now trying to gather the Caitlin Clark

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Speaker 2: fans and the Angel Rees fans and the page Beckers

571
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Speaker 2: fans and getting them on her side. So why now

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Speaker 2: do you have a problem after you get hurt in

573
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Speaker 2: the playoffs? When this for us Johnny cum Lately's has

574
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Speaker 2: seemingly been an issue the last two years in the WNBA.

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Speaker 2: Why wasn't this statement mentioned last year when it was happening.

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Speaker 2: That's the part that I start to question. I have

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Speaker 2: no doubt that there could be a problem with officiating

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Speaker 2: and that they're just fed up with having to pay

579
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Speaker 2: fines with the league not doing anything, But I just

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Speaker 2: it feels like now it happened to me, so now

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Speaker 2: I have to deal with it.

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Speaker 3: You know what, I am not upset with you pointing

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Speaker 3: that out, because you're right, Why now is there alter

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Speaker 3: your motives here? Is it because of unrivaled the league

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Speaker 3: that you are pushing? Like what exactly is it behind

586
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Speaker 3: you making this statement?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 4: I totally totally can see that.

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Speaker 3: But at the same time, it came out now and

590
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Speaker 3: it's good, finally finally someone said it.

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Speaker 2: But why didn't they do it last year?

592
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Speaker 4: Good question? I don't know, that's a big question.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And that's like, that's the issue, and that's why

594
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Speaker 2: it is a little bit difficult for me to take

595
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Speaker 2: everything that the FISA collier is saying as legitimate when

596
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 2: these issues have been going on. But last year when

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Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark was getting pushed to the ground and shoved

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Speaker 2: to the ground, it was an issue. Now the FEASA

599
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Speaker 2: collier gets injured on a crappy foul and it's you

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Speaker 2: gotta do something WNBA Like that to me is a

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Speaker 2: double standard in and why her words yesterday while so

602
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Speaker 2: many said men, you've got to do it, and I

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Speaker 2: did it. And I thought that she did a great

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Speaker 2: job in laying out her points, but I also felt

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Speaker 2: that you could see the motives behind a lot of

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Speaker 2: her points. And I know we have even more from

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Speaker 2: her saying that, But that's just my issue is why

608
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Speaker 2: now is it because you're the one that was hurt,

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Speaker 2: because this has been going on for a while.

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Speaker 3: But see, the thing is like she maybe it is

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Speaker 3: now because she's hurt because she can speak on it

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Speaker 3: for herself.

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Speaker 4: I totally hear what you're saying, and you're not wrong.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like, what if this was something that

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Speaker 3: it's like it built up and maybe at first she

616
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Speaker 3: wasn't gonna say anything, but as time continued, maybe she

617
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Speaker 3: was building a case like, you're not wrong.

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Speaker 4: I'm just I don't know. I'm giving it the benefit

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Speaker 4: of a doubt, but you're not wrong.

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Speaker 3: I just don't feel as strongly about you what it is, Samuel.

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Speaker 9: I just want to point out that earlier in this season,

622
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Speaker 9: when Caitlyn was playing, I know that she had some issues.

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Speaker 9: She had some concerns about not enough calls going her

624
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Speaker 9: way to get to the free throw line. I know

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Speaker 9: Kelsey Plumb got you know, basically like scratch on her face.

626
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Speaker 9: And so it feels like now the game is bet

627
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Speaker 9: up even more because of like how Caitlyn Clark plays.

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Speaker 9: And so this was bubbling up to this point where

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Speaker 9: Nafisa Collier's like speaking on it, right, and.

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Speaker 2: We're also talking about a time where, again Kaitlyn Clark

631
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Speaker 2: didn't play a majority of this season, but now it's

632
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 2: happened to them. So like Kelsey Plumb is speaking up

633
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Speaker 2: because it's happening to her because she's getting scratched in

634
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Speaker 2: the face. But last year when it was happening to Caitlyn.

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Speaker 4: Clark, nobody cared.

636
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody, they didn't care.

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Speaker 9: She was just taking like her hazing so to speak,

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Speaker 9: you know, you're not find out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, totally, You're not wrong, Dan, You're really not. I

640
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Speaker 4: guess I'm just still not upset that.

641
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Speaker 3: She did it, even though it seems like, why did

642
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Speaker 3: you wait?

643
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Speaker 4: How convenient?

644
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 3: Right, is what you're saying? How convenient for you? Yeah,

645
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 3: to want to say this now, I totally, I totally

646
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Speaker 3: hear you. But it's like, I think, if something was

647
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Speaker 3: going to change in the w n b A, maybe

648
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 3: this is what needed to happen, and it needed to

649
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Speaker 3: come from somebody, very convenient. Then now you have been,

650
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 3: you know, eliminated from the postseason. You're not going to

651
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 3: the finals as a defending champions. How convenient that you're

652
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 3: saying this out totally, But I do think that the

653
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Speaker 3: WNBA's leadership has failed, has lacked And if this is

654
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Speaker 3: what needed to happen, and this.

655
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: One needed to happen, do we have more from the

656
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 2: fista Collier, let's hear a little bit more.

657
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Speaker 8: The league has a buzzword that they've rolled out as

658
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 8: talking points for the CBA as to why they can't

659
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 8: pay the players what we're worth. That word is sustainability.

660
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 8: But what's truly unsustainable is keeping a good product on

661
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 8: the floor. While allowing officials to lose control of games.

662
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 8: Fancy it every night coaches both winning and losing, pointed

663
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 8: out every night in pregame and postgame media get leadership,

664
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 8: just issues fines and looks the other way. They ignore

665
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,719
Speaker 8: the issues that everyone inside the game is begging to

666
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 8: be fixed. That is negligence.

667
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 2: Now yeah, now they're they're begging to fix it. Last

668
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 2: year it was, to Sam's point, a hazing and deal

669
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 2: with it. Hey, this is this is a woman's game,

670
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 2: This isn't a girls game. This is in college basketball,

671
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 2: and now you're getting it happening. I have no doubt,

672
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 2: but I just think that there are ulterior motive with

673
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 2: what the FISA Collier is saying.

674
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 3: Again, I don't disagree with that, and you're right that

675
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 3: like last year, it seemed like it was only Caitlyn

676
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 3: Clark that was getting the beat down right per se

677
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 3: while playing, it did seem that way, and this year

678
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 3: there's a little it's wild because the officiating has no

679
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 3: control of the situation.

680
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 2: Can I ask Can I ask you this? Because I'm

681
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 2: stuck on the point where she brings out Caitlin Angel

682
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Speaker 2: and Page, Well.

683
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,719
Speaker 4: Like you sound, she was trying to get attention.

684
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 2: You were to say the young stars of this game.

685
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 4: No it's not enough. You got a name, you gotta

686
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 4: name drop.

687
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 2: And so that's and again this was a four minute statement.

688
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 2: And so that's where like I understand, like there is

689
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 2: a message being sent, and there's a motive behind that message,

690
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 2: and why she is wanting to send and say what

691
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 2: she wants to say, and trying to garner all of that.

692
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: I just can't go full bore. I think I heard

693
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 2: stephen A Smith today calling for Kathy Engelbert's ouster or

694
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 2: may be paraphrasing, but was up in arms over this

695
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 2: because of Engelbert's statement that she put out. And this

696
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 2: is what Engelbert said quote. I have the utmost respect

697
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 2: from the Visa Collier and for all the players in

698
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 2: the WNBA. Together, we have all worked tirelessly to transform

699
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 2: this league. My focus remains on ensuring a bright future

700
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: for the players and the WNBA, including collaborating on how

701
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 2: we continue to elevate the game. I am disheartened by

702
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 2: how NAFISA characterized our conversations in league leadership, but even

703
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: when our perspectives differ, my commitment to the players and

704
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 2: to this work will not waiver end quote. She got

705
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 2: one thing right, say less, yes, and that's all that

706
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 2: she had to say. There may not have been a

707
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: lot of substance. There may have been a word salad

708
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 2: for a portion of it. But when she at least

709
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 2: addresses Collier's statements head on, she says she's disheartened, disheartened

710
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 2: that there are said, yeah, there are differences, which there

711
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 2: obviously are because they're on opposite sides in this CBA battle.

712
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 2: You know the commissioner and the owners and then you

713
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: have the players Association. But that's all Kathy Engelbert had

714
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: to say. She didn't have a four minute statement coming

715
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 2: out and then naming names and pointing all these people

716
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 2: into all these people who may support what the WNBA

717
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 2: is doing. By her saying less, I think it actually

718
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 2: says more in response to what the FISA Collier as

719
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 2: opposed to, Engelbert had a four minute presser by herself

720
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 2: to try to shoot down everything the FISA Collier said,

721
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 2: because you can't shoot it down because it was so

722
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 2: crafted in a certain way.

723
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 4: Absolutely, she really didn't have much to say.

724
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 3: I unless she is like, no, I have I recorded

725
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 3: our conversation. That is not what I said, but it's like, yeah,

726
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 3: was it taking out of context a little bit?

727
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 4: But I maybe maybe.

728
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 3: But the point is like you still did not handle

729
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 3: the situation well last year you still did So that's

730
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 3: that's my whole point with like I understand it comes

731
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 3: off so calculated and so like what is your ultimate

732
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 3: goal here in a Visa Collier? Why Now I hear

733
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 3: all that, but I still think that the leadership dropped

734
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 3: the ball last year and it led into this year

735
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 3: and how bad the officiating was, Like you could be

736
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 3: ripe and a Visa Collier is also right in what

737
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 3: she's calling.

738
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 5: Now, let me ask you this if and could we

739
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 5: drove down on that. It doesn't sound like you care

740
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 5: that the conversation was exaggerated or are mischaracterized.

741
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 4: Because I don't think it was that mischaracterized.

742
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, nobody knows, right because there was a

743
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 5: personal conversation, which adds to this. But like when she

744
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 5: says she's disheartened by howtless characterized, I think that's a

745
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 5: very diplomatic light way of saying I never effing said

746
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 5: those things.

747
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 4: Really, it's not.

748
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 5: It's almost like like when you're hearing from your girlfriend

749
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 5: and she's trying to consensus build against this dude that's

750
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 5: done her wrong, and she gives you just like maybe

751
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 5: some truth, but very slant truth to make him look

752
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 5: like a bad guy, Okay, And then all of a sudden,

753
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 5: eventually you find out that those things weren't necessarily true.

754
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 5: Don't you kind of feel the trade like, as a

755
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 5: public if it comes out that these things were never said,

756
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 5: shouldn't we feel kind of like the trade that we

757
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 5: kind of all fell for this stephen A fell for

758
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 5: which I was surprised. I'm surprised he took that tact.

759
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 4: So there's a couple of things here.

760
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 3: If I were to find out that it was completely

761
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 3: made up and that's not at all what the conversation was,

762
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 3: then obviously I'm feeling differently about the situation. But that

763
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 3: that line, I'm disheartened to hear what you read?

764
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 4: Right to me?

765
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 3: I took that as like, oh, did Kathy think she

766
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 3: was having a private conversation with a friend that was

767
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 3: not going to reveal the information to the public.

768
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 4: Not that she mischaracterized her. It was that, oh, you

769
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 4: you repeated our conversation. I thought this was going to

770
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 4: stay here.

771
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, And Kathy Engelbert. If she did say what NAFISA

772
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: Collier said, she said was obviously wrong about Caitlin Clark's platform,

773
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 2: absolutely okay, but it also then doesn't necessarily give Collier

774
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 2: a pass to try to drum up all this support

775
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 2: by using Caitlin page Becker's and Angel Reese and their

776
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 2: fans as pawns to try to support the WNBA and

777
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 2: the play of the WNBA players Association. Like that's like,

778
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 2: there's another part of it. That's why I brought up

779
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 2: the young Stars, like a portion of it, like she

780
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: named them, to garner support. I mean, we've all seen

781
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: the mean of the Blood and the Crip holding the

782
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 2: tied handkerchiefs together in support in solidarity, and I saw

783
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 2: Caitlin and Angel Rees fans uniting under this topic. And

784
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 2: that's exactly what the FISA Collier's message was to try

785
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 2: to garner the support. She could have said this in

786
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 2: an email to Kathy Engelbert and we wouldn't have known

787
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: anything about it. This was her exit interview and she

788
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: took four minutes about this at the start of it

789
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 2: to say what she had to say in her role,

790
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: And people like Stephen A. Smith are now taking this,

791
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 2: and honestly, I don't even know if they want to

792
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 2: get into the to the different levels of these comments.

793
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 2: It's just easy to say, Man, Collier's ticked, so are

794
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark and Angel Rees fans. Well, let's get rid

795
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 2: of her, like that's easy. That's that's easy to do,

796
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 2: And there's no guarantee that whoever would come in then

797
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 2: as the WNBA commissioner would be better to work with

798
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 2: than Kathy Engelbert, because guess what, it's not the WNBA's

799
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 2: job to find a commissioner that works well with the

800
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 2: Players Association. It's to take care of the owners and

801
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 2: in the teams that form that league. So it may

802
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 2: be the worst leadership in the world. And I'm not

803
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 2: saying be careful what you wish for, but that's not

804
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 2: their role. Kathy Engelbert's role isn't to have friends right

805
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 2: now with the Players Association and the Visa Collier's comments

806
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: shows that they don't want to be friends with Kathy Engelbert.

807
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 4: So I guess, like, don't.

808
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 3: I don't agree that necessarily you need to fire or

809
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 3: get rid of of Kathy at all, but I think

810
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 3: calling her out because this wasn't just this year.

811
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 4: This this to me.

812
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 3: Since last year, it has been clear that you were

813
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 3: not prepared for the magnitude that was Caitlin Clark coming

814
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 3: into the WNBA. You haven't handled it well, So why

815
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 3: not call you out? And I think that's just like

816
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 3: the most simplest way here.

817
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 2: The most simplest thing though with that is though, then

818
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 2: why didn't you call for her last year? Sure because

819
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 2: you were so caught up in your feelings of trying

820
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 2: to keep Caitlin Clark and all this under wraps and

821
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 2: not have this shine of And I'm not saying it

822
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 2: was the FEASA Collier specifically, I'm talking about the WNBA players,

823
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 2: but now that it's happened in another season where maybe

824
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 2: more eyes are watching it and you're seeing some of

825
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 2: the officiating, but it happens to her, you know. Asia

826
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 2: Wilson after the game last night says she supported anything

827
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 2: that the FISA Collier says. I would actually have more

828
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: weight in what Asa Wilson says because she wasn't hurt

829
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 2: at the end of the regular season. Kylie's saying this

830
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 2: to me is in the w NBA uh PA's vice president,

831
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 2: it is w NBA star that got injured in the

832
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 2: playoffs because of the officiating. That's who's speaking to me.

833
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 4: I guess better late than ever.

834
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe anything to add Iowa Sam, who is in

835
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 2: the w NBA Finals. It's the Aces and the Mercury.

836
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 4: Mercury bounced to the Links.

837
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 2: So a desert NBA Finals, Phoenix against Vegas.

838
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 5: Hit the duel in the desert. I like duel in

839
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:33,680
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840
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844
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845
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848
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849
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851
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853
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Speaker 4: I think he does.

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856
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861
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Speaker 2: disagreement that he and Jason McIntyre had between each other.

862
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,440
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863
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00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 2: Eagles win. After the Eagles win on Sunday against the Buccaneers,

869
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 2: nine targets, two receptions, seven yards. That was the stat

870
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 2: line for AJ Brown. This is Collins take on AJ

871
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 2: Brown in his future in Philadelphia. J McK and I

872
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 2: had a disagreement on this.

873
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 10: I said, you an accountant, a judge, a novelist, an actor.

874
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 10: In most careers, you got about twenty five years of

875
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 10: prime and you can work to your seventies. You can't

876
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 10: as a pro football player. And so AJ Brown and

877
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 10: I do think winning matters, but he's already got a trophy.

878
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 10: I do think if you went to Kobe and said,

879
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 10: lit'sten you get six shots a game, Kobe would have

880
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 10: been like, peace out, I'm going to go somewhere else.

881
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 10: AJ Brown gets fewer yards than the third Buffalo Bills

882
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 10: tight end. He's got money and he's got a trophy.

883
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 10: His legacy is on the line. He's not necessary. They

884
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 10: try to target him nine target seven yards most of

885
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 10: the time. He's just not And I think if I

886
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 10: was AJ Brown, this sounds selfish, but I think pro

887
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 10: athletes get cornered into well it's about winning games. Well,

888
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 10: that's part of it, and it's it's transformational money, and

889
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 10: there's legacies involved. And my take is if I was

890
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 10: AJ Brown, I'd go to Philadelphia. I'd say quietly, I'm

891
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 10: not gonna screw the market up. I'm not gonna do

892
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 10: a mellow with the Nuggets to the Knicks. I don't

893
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 10: want to be here, make a deal. I think AJ

894
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 10: Brown has a right to leave. I am defending him

895
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 10: not staying with a better organization.

896
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 2: Am I wrong? Nine trillion percent? I don't know if

897
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 2: it goes up to nine trillion but he is nine

898
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 2: trillion percent wrong. When in sports have we ever said,

899
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 2: you know what, screw the winning?

900
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 4: Never? Not once. Yeah, it is about no, it's only

901
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 4: about winning. That is the whole point, Colin, what are

902
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 4: you talking about? Also?

903
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 3: Also, also, since when is the legacy of AJ Brown

904
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 3: something to compare to the legacy of Kobe Bryant?

905
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 2: Never what?

906
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 4: Not even sort of?

907
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 3: And actually I think if you did tell Kobe, hey,

908
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 3: you can only take six shots, but you're gonna win,

909
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 3: I think you'd be like, well, damn, because Kobe did

910
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 3: care about winning.

911
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 2: Kobe. Yeah, Kobe would say. Kobe is famous for saying,

912
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 2: you'd never go like one of twelve, he'd go one

913
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 2: of twenty. You just keep shooting. However, However, to your

914
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 2: point about Team USA and winning a gold medal, Kobe

915
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 2: had his role, took it upon himself as the leader,

916
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,959
Speaker 2: and that was his role. Exactly to your point, AJ

917
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 2: Brown is not Kobe Bryant. AJ Brown on the list

918
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 2: of important Philadelphia Eagles, it may not be top five.

919
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 2: And the issue to me is it continues to be

920
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 2: AJ Brown.

921
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 10: Now.

922
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:58,439
Speaker 2: The Philadelphia Eagles Playkate this sort of activity, so they're

923
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 2: on the hook for it, Manzie. Why would they get

924
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 2: rid of AJ Brown when they're the ones who have

925
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 2: been actually encouraging this by giving him a three year,

926
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 2: ninety six million dollar deal after he was reading a

927
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 2: book on the sidelines that was last year, but after

928
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 2: he sulked after only getting three catches in a playoff

929
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 2: win against the Giants. AJ Brown has always been about

930
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 2: AJ Brown and at no point has the Philadelphia Eagle's

931
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:27,280
Speaker 2: success ever depended upon AJ Brown. And it's just crazy

932
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 2: for me to hear Colin say AJ Brown, who now

933
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 2: has a Super Bowl ring, should go and get his

934
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 2: When what about back to back? What about trying to

935
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 2: be a great wide receiver in that way? What about

936
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 2: coming up big in a playoff game? That's what's ahead

937
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 2: for AJ Brown? Him going having fifteen hundred yards somewhere

938
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 2: else is not going to change the legacy of AJ Brown.

939
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 2: He's not going into the Hall of Fame. None of

940
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 2: that is true. The fantasy world that Colin thinks could

941
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 2: be ahead for AJ Brown doesn't exist.

942
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really don't unders stand what Colin is defending. Like, Okay,

943
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 3: let him leave. I think the Eagles would be like,

944
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 3: all right, bye, thank you, take take your stuff make sure.

945
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 4: By and then the Eagles would continue and nothing would change.

946
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 2: You know, you know who's got the you know who's

947
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: got the most probably bone to pick with all of this,

948
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 2: because you're right, nothing has nothing has changed with the

949
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 2: Eagles because they again they encourage this sort of behavior.

950
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 2: But how do you feel if you're Jalen Hurts that

951
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 2: here's this guy. We criticize Jalen Hurts enough enough with

952
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 2: despite the success that he has had, right, nine targets

953
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 2: in two catches for seven yards, we can look at

954
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 2: that and say, obviously they're just not on the same page.

955
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: When he gets three catches in a playoff game against

956
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 2: the Giants for only forty some yards and he's not happy,

957
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 2: we understand that's not a great game, but again, you

958
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 2: won the game. But these also, subliminally Manzi are shots

959
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 2: at Jalen Hurts, like why aren't they on the same page.

960
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 2: You've been together now for multiple seasons and you can't

961
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 2: figure out a rhythm or a rapport like Matthew Stafford

962
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 2: and Poukin Nakua would not have a nine target, two

963
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: reception game, like it's just not going to happen. And

964
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 2: every time aj Brown does this. It is an indirect

965
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 2: shot at Jalen Hurts. So if you're the Philadelphia Eagles,

966
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 2: if AJ Brown wants to do quiet stuff and trade them,

967
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 2: that's fine. Don't trade them so he can get his numbers.

968
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 2: Trade them so he stops undermining your quarterback. That would

969
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 2: be the only reason that I would say to get

970
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 2: rid of AJ Brown, who right now hasn't necessarily been

971
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 2: the factor that the Eagles would have hoped when they

972
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 2: gave him a ninety six million dollar contract.

973
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 3: You know, I actually never thought of it that way,

974
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 3: that he was undermining Jalen Hurts.

975
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 4: And you make excellent points. You're right, that is probably

976
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 4: what he's trying to do.

977
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 3: But I never thought of it that way because even

978
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 3: though Jalen Hurts gets criticized enough, you know what he does,

979
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 3: he does what he's asked when he needs to do it.

980
00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 4: So yeah, like he.

981
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 3: May not throw the ball, but I've seen him damn

982
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 3: take you down the field throwing the ball when he

983
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 3: needs to do I've seen him do it a couple

984
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 3: damn times. So it's like, it's not it's not Jalen Hurts.

985
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 3: Maybe it's you AJ Brown because he him and Dallas

986
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 3: Goddard seem to connect whenever he needs to.

987
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 4: Whenever, whenever he needs to, Dallas Goddard is there for him.

988
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 3: So it's just kind of like, yeah, but the Eagles

989
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 3: game isn't always to throw the ball because you have

990
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:25,720
Speaker 3: Jalen Earts and you have Saquon Barkley.

991
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,439
Speaker 4: But when he needs to get you downfield, throw the ball.

992
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:29,439
Speaker 4: He has been doing that.

993
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 2: They're four, and oh they're a weird four and oh, yes,

994
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 2: they completely are. I wonder like if they if they

995
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 2: were functional not dysfunctional, how dominant they would be this

996
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 2: this team could be right. I mean, this is hours

997
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,479
Speaker 2: after beating the Buccaneers in a road game, where again

998
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 2: he had two catches for seven yards on the nine targets.

999
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 2: If you're not welcomed, not listen to quietly withdraw, don't

1000
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 2: make a scene, shrug your shoulders and be on your way.

1001
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 2: That's that's what he posted. Posting a tweet like that

1002
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 2: is the exact opposite of quietly withdrawing, not making a scene.

1003
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 2: And that's not shrugging your shoulders and going on your way.

1004
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 2: You are putting up a stink. The tweet is still

1005
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 2: up there four point two million views for some reason,

1006
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 2: twelve thousand people liked it. I have no idea what's

1007
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 2: wrong with those twelve thousand people in Gallen Coward. But

1008
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 2: man A J. Brown just continues, there's the Eagles keep

1009
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 2: on winning it, so there's no like why it can

1010
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 2: be like, see, look at what he torpedoed.

1011
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 3: But I think you also hit on something else that

1012
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 3: maybe he realizes, like you are not even a top

1013
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 3: five Eagle, Like he just wants to be talked about.

1014
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 3: He wants to be the center of attention. He wants

1015
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 3: to be the guy. And you are on a team that, yeah,

1016
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 3: you're not talked about and there's still success despite you

1017
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 3: and your antics.

1018
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 2: I don't know how this works. You're you're right, like

1019
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 2: they somehow make this work. Jalen Hurts must have the

1020
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 2: thickest skin and quarterback in the NFL, because there's just that.

1021
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 2: It's bad enough to hear the outside noise from from

1022
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 2: everybody else, but now they have to deal with it

1023
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 2: within your locker room after you've won a Super Bowl.

1024
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 3: How close do you think they're sitting next to each

1025
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 3: other in the locker room.

1026
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 2: But well, you know what he does read a book

1027
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 2: on the sidelines, like that's look at that, Look at

1028
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 2: that growth, look at that? That's that wasn't the same

1029
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,240
Speaker 2: page I've never ever seen. I've seen more hot dogs

1030
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,439
Speaker 2: than books on sidelines of NFL games, of guys eating

1031
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 2: hot dogs and blowout games. Right, yes, there's there's. The

1032
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 2: Seahawks actually did it way back in the day as well,

1033
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 2: like they were playing a preseason game against the forty

1034
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 2: nine ers. I think they were eating hot dogs. I've

1035
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 2: seen more tubed meat on the sidelines than I have novels.

1036
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 2: But last year, when when aj Brown sits on the

1037
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 2: bench and brings out a book, we have people defending

1038
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 2: look at this growth, look at this mental strength. There

1039
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 2: wasn't a bookmark in the book. Okay, there wasn't. Like

1040
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 2: I left off on page two sixty eight, there was

1041
00:51:59,360 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 2: none of that.

1042
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 3: How it's terrible reading while your team is playing.

1043
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 4: How is that growth? I don't understand. I thought the

1044
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 4: growth would be being.

1045
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 3: There cheering your teammates on being a good buddy when

1046
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 3: they come on off the field.

1047
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 4: Come on, man, not sitting there?

1048
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 2: Well, growth was in chapter twenty eight, which he hadn't

1049
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 2: yet gotten to in that book that he was reading.

1050
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 2: But hey, great job by aj Browns to read a

1051
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 2: book on the sidelines.