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Speaker 2: She's called home several times, can't get him answer to

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Speaker 2: The paramedic explaining the room. They leave, and at this

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Speaker 3: He's not dead. He's not dead.

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Speaker 1: Imagine the shock of banging on your husband's door. He

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Speaker 1: and you can't get antsy call police. They get there

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Speaker 1: and you find your husband dead, lying on the bed

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Speaker 1: from an apparent suicide. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories,

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Speaker 1: and we are talking about the death of a father,

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Speaker 1: then husband, David Castor, and it appears as though he

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Speaker 1: has taken his life in a very peculiar way, that

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Speaker 1: is from ingestion of anti freeze. Again, I'm Ncy Grace,

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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Of course all is not as it seems. In criminal law.

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Speaker 1: Joining me right now, an all Star Panel, Joseph Scott Morgan,

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Speaker 1: forensics expert, Professor Forensics Exivil State University and author of

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Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Judge and lawyer Ashe Wilcott.

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Speaker 1: You can find her at Ashewilcott dot com. Renow New

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Speaker 1: York psychologist Karen Start at Karenstart dot com, Alan Duke

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Speaker 1: in La Jackie Howard with me here in the studio

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Speaker 1: and joining me right now, Crimeonline dot com and Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Investigative reporter Robin Wolinski, author of Beautiful Life, a CSI

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Speaker 1: Behind the Casey Anthony Trial, Robin Olinsky. So many things

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Speaker 1: scream out at me regarding the crime scene of now

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Speaker 1: did David cast? But let's just take it at the

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Speaker 1: beginning so I can can analyze each piece of evidence.

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Speaker 1: Let's start at the beginning that morning. Isn't it true

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Speaker 1: It was his business and wife Stacy was the office manager.

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Speaker 4: That is all correct. And this is a guy who

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Speaker 4: knows Nancy about chemicals, about anti freeze, about how you

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Speaker 3: One one call.

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Speaker 4: Door and here is this guy who is face down

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Speaker 1: if you were intending to kill yourself suicide with any freeze,

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Speaker 1: that's exactly what would be found. He was apparently mixing

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Speaker 1: Okay, that then it would all mix together, that would

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Speaker 1: But my guy, Nancy, I've never known you to stutter before,

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Speaker 1: So what is perplexing you.

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Speaker 5: Well, what's perplexing me, tongue todd is the fact that

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Speaker 1: When Scott Peterson wanted to murder his wife. He was

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Speaker 1: Well, I have to agree with that, Joseph Scott Morgan,

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Speaker 1: you're the forensics professor at Jacksonville State University. That she's right.

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Speaker 1: As much as I'm saying this is part of his business,

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Speaker 5: with the Anna freeze, it's gut wrenching, Nancy. Tremendous headaches

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Speaker 7: David's wife Stacy told friends he began to drink heavily

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Speaker 1: We're going to start kind to make sure he's okay.

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Speaker 1: Maybe surprised that you guys going through something right.

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Speaker 9: Now, Well, you father died a month ago.

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Speaker 7: A sheriff's deputy arrived at the house, found the master

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Speaker 10: The guy sprawled naked on the bed, his face down,

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Speaker 7: Emergency medical personnel pronounced David dead at the scene. On

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Speaker 11: Almost half full of a green liquid. Another clear glass

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Speaker 7: Ethylene glycol is toxic in large quantities. The autopsy confirmed

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Speaker 7: David Castor ingested a lethal dose.

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Speaker 8: The certificate came back as a suicide.

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Speaker 7: Under the bed, emergency personnel found a shotgun and a

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Speaker 7: container of anti freeze. Investigators wondered, if David Castor had

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Speaker 10: Maybe he didn't use the shotgun under his bed because

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Speaker 7: Again, tests showed the green liquid was anti freeze, and

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Speaker 10: tip and it belongs to David cast What in the

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Speaker 10: name of heaven is he doing? Committing suicide by a

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Speaker 10: turkey baster.

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Speaker 3: I've never heard of such a thing.

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Speaker 1: And neither have I, and it takes a lot for

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter, author of Beautiful Life CSI, behind Casey Anthony's

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Speaker 1: he had committed suicide by drinking brandy mixed with cranberry juice,

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Speaker 1: I believe, and anti free. So what's with the turkey baster?

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Speaker 4: So, Nancy, the detectives open that trash can and they

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Speaker 4: you know, you use the turkey baster to, you know,

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Speaker 4: So is he self administering something with the turkey baster.

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Speaker 1: You know, to Joe Scott Morgan, why are they looking

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Speaker 1: But they're picking through the tracks.

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Speaker 5: They're doing their job. Every death, every death is a

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Speaker 5: homicide until proven otherwise, and apparently at this point in

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Speaker 5: seen anything like this. Now who actually uses an freeze

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Speaker 5: to commit suicide? And so that's left them, that's left

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Speaker 5: them scratching their heads a bit. So they're going to search.

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Speaker 5: They're going to dig even deeper in this and that's

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Speaker 5: why they're digging in the trash again. They're doing their job.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're right about that, and everything seemed to go

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Speaker 1: be a suicide. Until this.

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Speaker 6: Time.

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Speaker 4: He's going to work for us, my daughter and has

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Speaker 7: There's something in this world and please, oh my.

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Speaker 14: You know mental health can be hereditary depression, etca.

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Speaker 4: Her mother invited her to the house she was a

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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting When I hear the words quote

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Speaker 7: Investigators petitioned the court for permission to exhume Michael Wallace's

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Speaker 7: Why because the active ingredient in anti freeze ethylene glycol

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Speaker 7: Those crystals remain intact for years after death, and the

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Speaker 7: Mike's family had wanted an autopsy, but Stacy said no.

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Speaker 7: A look at Mike Wallace's medical record showed no signs

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Speaker 7: Even more bizarre, Stacy had both husbands, Mike Wallace and

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Speaker 8: This whole thing is kind of like a really bad

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Speaker 1: Leading to death to justice. Scott Morgan, forensics expert. Those

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Speaker 5: Well, what's happening, Nancy is justice was just stated. The

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Speaker 1: You know, you've got the first husband who was the

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Speaker 1: When the daughter, the older daughter, the college student teen

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's amazing, Nancy. The note left next to

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Speaker 1: What was the daughter, Ashley's motivation to kill her father

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Speaker 4: It was most likely probably to get some sort of inheritance.

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Speaker 1: Money, guys, I want you to take you'll listen to

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Speaker 7: The final clue was in the note. Stacy let something slip.

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Speaker 2: The cop said that there was Anna Free in Daddy's body.

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Speaker 13: There was always the word anti free in the suicide note.

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Speaker 11: God, any free, any free? What Stacy said that interview

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Speaker 10: More we learned that there are more.

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Speaker 3: Them out there. They just don't rise to the level

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Speaker 7: But Stacey Castor denied any involvement in the two deaths

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Speaker 1: So you've got the daughter odeed on pills and the

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Speaker 6: Very significant because it tells you that either the daughter

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Speaker 1: So now the entire investigation is in disarray. Could one

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Speaker 10: Your two daughters knew that he was sick.

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Speaker 3: We all knew he was sick.

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Speaker 7: You knew we were You were the adult though, Yes, okay?

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Speaker 15: Didn't see anything other any other signs other than what

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Speaker 15: you've already told us about Michael's sickness. Now, where did

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Speaker 10: Now did you did you hide that from your children

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Speaker 1: No, they were old enough to know what it was.

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Speaker 15: They were old up to know what And yes, actually

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Speaker 10: Back in two thousand and Judge, Oh.

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Speaker 15: No, And uh so the rat poist mice in.

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Speaker 15: Okay, And so your you're your testimonies that Actley knew.

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Speaker 3: Where that was.

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Speaker 10: So when she testified she had no idea about that.

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Speaker 10: That was incorrect on her part.

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Speaker 15: Yes, Okay, Now, would you agree with me that a

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Speaker 15: twelve year old that kills her own father with any

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Speaker 15: freeze and rad voison to hurt the crisis along?

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Speaker 3: Would it be fair to.

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Speaker 15: Characterize a person as a psychotic monster Jesus.

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Speaker 2: A person of medicine problems.

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Speaker 1: You are hearing Stacy Caster being grilled about the claim

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Speaker 1: that her then eleven year old daughter could have possibly

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Speaker 1: killed the dad. Then you have the teen daughter in college,

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Speaker 1: he writes a suicide note, and then od's on prescription drugs.

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Speaker 1: What is the truth? Well, maybe this can clarify.

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Speaker 9: The biggest question I ask is why why did she

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Speaker 9: do these things? I know that's probably never gonna be answered.

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Speaker 9: There are so many things that she has ruined. She'll

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Speaker 9: never be able to see regraduate, my father will never

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Speaker 9: take me down the aisle, She'll never get to see

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Speaker 9: her grandchildren, all those things she took away from me.

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Speaker 9: She killed two people and tried to kill me and

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Speaker 9: blame it on me, and blame me for the other deaths.

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Speaker 9: That bothers me so much. I had to pretend for

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Speaker 9: a year that everything was okay, that nothing was bothering me,

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Speaker 9: even though I was worried about the trial and worried

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Speaker 9: whether the jury would believe me. I hate my mother

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Speaker 9: for ruining so many people's lives. I'd even know why

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Speaker 9: she did it. Well gave her the right to play

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Speaker 9: god with people. And I hate her for having me

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Speaker 9: be the one that found my dad, just like her

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Speaker 9: for having breefe on me. I never knew what hate

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Speaker 9: was until now. Even though oh, I do hate her,

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Speaker 9: I still live her at the same time. That bothers

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Speaker 9: me so confusing. How can you hate someone and love

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Speaker 9: them at the same time. I just wish that she

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Speaker 9: would say sorry for everything she did, including all the

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Speaker 9: lives you.

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Speaker 1: Are hearing that daughter, the daughter that odd on drugs,

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Speaker 1: who went comatose, who was saved in the hospital. They

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Speaker 1: saved her life, she tells cop. The last thing she

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Speaker 1: remembers is drinking with her mother, Stacey Castor, insisting Ashley

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Speaker 1: is the one that murdered her father and her stepfather

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Speaker 1: over sibling rivalry, that she was never the favorite. What

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Speaker 1: do you make of that, Karen Starr, you're the psychologist.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how common is a child murdering, especially a girl,

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Speaker 1: a teen girl girl murdering not one but two parents,

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Speaker 1: a father and a stepfather. She would have had to

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Speaker 1: have been much younger at the time her natural father

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Speaker 1: died of Annie Fraser.

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Speaker 6: I can't even begin to imagine a teen girl doing that. Nancy.

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Speaker 6: If there is a history of that, I'm not aware

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Speaker 6: of it. But you also are making me think about

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Speaker 6: the fact that here is a mother, and you're a mother,

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Speaker 6: and look at your feelings. We all know how you adore,

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Speaker 6: you live for your children. Correct, yes, And here is

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Speaker 6: a mother and this is why she's a psychopath who

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Speaker 6: is willing, actually willing to have her daughter be the

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Speaker 6: one that is being accused of killing and going to

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Speaker 6: jail for a crime that she didn't commit. That is

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Speaker 6: just mind boggling.

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Speaker 1: Well, according to the daughter, she didn't do it, but

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Speaker 1: there is that suicide note. Take a listen to our

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Speaker 1: friends at forensic file.

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Speaker 7: On the witness stand, Stacy insisted, as Lee was the killer.

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Speaker 3: You refer to her very negatively.

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Speaker 1: Did I'm sure I did.

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Speaker 10: It's right because she killed after all your two ausbands

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Speaker 10: didish she did.

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Speaker 3: I can't give you a reason why she would do it.

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Speaker 3: The jury didn't buy it.

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Speaker 7: Stacey Castor was convicted of murder and the attempted.

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Speaker 3: Murder of her own daughter.

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Speaker 7: She was sentenced to a minimum of fifty years in prison.

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Speaker 3: You're not just a danger to the general public.

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Speaker 5: You're a danger to the people who love you and

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Speaker 5: are closest to him.

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Speaker 7: Prosecutors could still charge Stacy for the murder of her

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Speaker 7: first husband, Michael Wallace, but with Stacy serving a fifty

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Speaker 7: year prison term, there doesn't seem to be much need.

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Speaker 7: Ashley Wallace has no contact with her mother.

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Speaker 9: If I was to go see her, there better be

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Speaker 9: more than just a plexiglass panno in between the two

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Speaker 9: of us. I probably was slapper, but I'd be so mad.

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Speaker 9: It's so angry that I would just scream and yell

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Speaker 9: at the top of my lungs because I don't understand.

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Speaker 9: I don't get it. I don't think I ever will

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Speaker 9: understand why she did what she did.

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Speaker 1: To Robin Willinsky, Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter, author

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Speaker 1: of Beautiful Life, Robin Olinsky. In the end, the jury

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Speaker 1: finds the mother did this so explain to me about

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Speaker 1: Ashley the daughter suicide note? How did they prove that

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Speaker 1: Stacy the mother wrote that? Note?

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Speaker 4: Well, the number one clue was the anti free and

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Speaker 4: not the anti freeze.

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Speaker 11: But also she was.

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Speaker 4: On the phone with the younger daughter, and she could

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Speaker 4: hear the typing, the click click click click click of

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Speaker 4: her typing out the note, and the timing. When they

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Speaker 4: compared the time of the phone call to the time

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Speaker 4: when the note was typed in the computer, it matched.

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Speaker 4: So mommy was the author of that note.

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Speaker 1: We also know that when they did a forensic search

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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan of the computer, that several drafts of

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Speaker 1: that note had been written while Ashley was actually in class,

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Speaker 1: and that was verified. So somebody was on the home

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Speaker 1: computer writing drafts of the suicide note while Ashley was

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Speaker 1: actually at school.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the stuff is all time stamped. Nancy's like a

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Speaker 5: trail of breadcrumbs. You know. As stealthy as she was

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Speaker 5: trying to be, she was insufficient to the task. I

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Speaker 5: would say, and you know, just reflectively, how cold do

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Speaker 5: you have to be in order to engage in this

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Speaker 5: kind of behavior?

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Speaker 1: Hey, you know what, that's a question for a shrink.

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Speaker 1: I'm just a trial lawyer. But I got another question, factually,

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Speaker 1: Robin Lensky, something's bugging me. I mean, so many things

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Speaker 1: about Stacy Caster, but what about Stacy Caster's father, her

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Speaker 1: bio dad, the mom's father. What happened to him?

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Speaker 4: He also mysteriously dead in a hospital. He's in the hospital,

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Speaker 4: Jerry Daniels with her dad, and he had some sort

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Speaker 4: of lung problem and he was getting better when suddenly

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Speaker 4: she goes. Stacy goes to visit him, and there's an

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Speaker 4: open Coca Cola can and she hands him the soda

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Speaker 4: and he apparently drank from a can. Very bizarre. Next

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Speaker 4: day he's dead too.

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Speaker 1: He kills over and his body's being cremated, right, that's correct,

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Speaker 1: So we'll never know what happened to Stacy Caster's dad.

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Speaker 1: Joining me here in the studio Jackie Howard and in

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Speaker 1: La Alan Alan. This reminds me so much of the

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Speaker 1: nineteen fifties case in my hometown of Making, Georgia of

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Speaker 1: and Jet Lyles, because you know, when all of her

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Speaker 1: family members were in the hospital, she was constantly bringing

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Speaker 1: them homemade food, dishes, lemonade she made herself. Nobody could

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Speaker 1: figure out why they all killed over.

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Speaker 13: She is just like and Jet It's crazy what she did.

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Speaker 13: And Jet Lyles, who had one of the best restaurants

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Speaker 13: in Macon, Georgia.

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Speaker 3: Did you ever eat there, No, that.

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Speaker 1: Was before my time, but my mom remembers a Jet's

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Speaker 1: restaurant because my mom at the time was a bank

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Speaker 1: teller and Ane Jett Lyles restaurant was right across from

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Speaker 1: the courthouse, so all the cops and the judges and

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Speaker 1: the lawyers would come eat there. Was very popular. So

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Speaker 1: I've seen this phenomena, I would say three times since

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Speaker 1: I've been prosecuting Stacy cast the most recent Lind Turner

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Speaker 1: before that that I covered, and a jet in my hometown.

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Speaker 1: But you know Stacy Castor, I mean she takes the cake.

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Speaker 1: Pardon the pun. You'll be happy to know. As an addendum,

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Speaker 1: Stacey Castor herself killed over dead behind bars. Wow, I

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Speaker 1: wonder was it natural causes? Nancy Grace crime story signing

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Speaker 1: off Goodbye friend,