WEBVTT - STBYM Listener Mail: Translucent Black Capes 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:08.160 Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:12.399 Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind listener mail. 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:13.760 This is Robert Lamb. 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:16.800 And this is Joe McCormick. And hey everybody, we are 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:19.599 back after being out for a week. You know, we 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:23.119 have an auspicious beginning here because, as our producer JJ 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:26.400 just let us know, we began this recording session at 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:29.920 the exact moment that Agent Dale Cooper enters Twin Peaks 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:32.600 at the beginning of the series. This is February twenty fourth, 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:36.040 eleven thirty am. So I don't know what to make 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:39.040 of that, but maybe off to get some pie today. 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:42.839 All right, well, let's go ahead and jump into some 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:45.720 listener mail here. We've got some really good ones, a 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:49.000 number of listener mail pieces devoted to our episodes on 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:52.040 Cotton Candy. But first, this one comes to us from 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:56.960 Troy regarding our episode on Io. This is, of course, 0:00:57.000 --> 0:01:01.280 the one of the moons of Jupiter that we revisited 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:09.600 in full on the podcast. Troy writes, Hi, Joe, Robert, 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:12.480 and JJ, I recently listened to your podcast about Io 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:16.160 having volcanic eruptions strong enough to reach exit velocity. Then 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:19.600 you mentioned several ideas related to achieving exit velocity from Earth, 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:23.839 but did not mention Verne's book Jules vern Of course, 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:27.480 I am probably not the only one, but this reminded 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:29.760 me of the classic book by Jules vern where some 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:32.720 gun club guys decided to shoot a cannon ball at 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:35.440 the Moon. Later in the story, the cannon ball is 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:39.680 scrapped for a more capsule shape so the ball won't spin. 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:44.240 Somebody proposes to make the ball. Essentially a ship from 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:46.600 the Earth to the Moon eighteen sixty five and its sequel, 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:50.320 Around the Moon eighteen seventy by Jules vern Our pioneering 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:53.200 works of science fiction and depict an ambitious attempt to 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:56.120 send men to the Moon using a massive cannon. The 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:59.400 story follows the Baltimore based Gun Club, a group of 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:05.040 artillery enthusiasts led by President MP Barbicane. After the end 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:07.520 of the American Civil War, the club seeks a new 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:10.000 challenge and decides to construct an enormous cannon to launch 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:14.160 a projectile to the Moon. Eventually, Barbicane, Arden and Barbicane's 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:18.840 rival turned ally, Captain Nickel, decide to travel inside the 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:22.799 projectile themselves. In Around the Moon the sequel, the three 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:26.680 passengers experience weightlessness, observe Earth and the Moon from space, 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:29.760 and face the danger of being trapped in orbit. A 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:32.680 near miss with the Moon results in their capsule falling 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:35.239 back to Earth, where they safely land in the ocean. 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:38.320 Right Troy goes on to discuss some of the technology 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:43.000 used in this science fiction book. The massive cannon named 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:46.440 the Columbiad, is nine hundred feet two hundred and seventy 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:48.320 four meters long and is built in a deep pit 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:51.440 dug into the ground in Tampa, Florida. It is designed 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:55.080 to fire an enormous hollow aluminum shell the spacecraft carrying 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:57.760 the three men. To reach the Moon, the projectile needs 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:01.240 to achieve an escape velocity of l two hundred meters 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:04.320 per second approximately twenty five thousand miles per hour. Burne's 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:07.760 calculations were impressively close to modern physics, though the concept 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:10.880 of using a canon to achieve such speeds would be 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:14.480 lethal due to the extreme acceleration. I thought the book 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:17.520 had great character development and attention to detail. They even 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:20.200 had a type of water mattress designed to push the 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:23.320 water out of vents during the initial launch to dampen 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:27.120 the g forces give up the great work. Troy. Ps 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:29.680 one more thing. I also thought it was impressive how 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:32.560 they decided to point the canon vertically at the moon, 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:35.400 but had to bury the whole cannon to prevent the 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:38.600 canon from exploding. One of the main characters had body 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:41.560 parts missing due to one of his canons accidentally exploding, 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:44.440 so they decided to bury the canon for extra strength. 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:49.080 Oh thank you, Troy. Yeah, interesting contribution. So I never 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:51.560 read this novel. I read several other things by Jules 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:54.080 Vern when I was younger, and I had a copy 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:58.320 of this book, And now I'm ashamed to say that 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:02.280 I was discouraged from ever reading it because I was 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:06.320 sort of glancing through it and thinking, I don't think 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:08.560 they're going to see any aliens in this. This feels 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:12.600 like an alien's free space adventure book, and I'm just 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:15.200 not interested in that. Looking back on that now, I 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:18.200 think that was a narrow minded way to approach science fiction, 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:20.360 But I don't know that's how I was then. 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:24.039 Yeah, I think maybe I've only ever read twenty thousand 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:26.240 Leagues under the Sea, though I don't remember much about 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:30.640 the experience. My kid recently had to read it for school, 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:33.359 and I don't think they enjoyed the experience. But then again, 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:35.280 such as the case sometimes when you're having to read 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:36.000 things for school. 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:40.440 I remember liking twenty thousand Leagues and I read Journey 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:42.040 to the Center of the Earth and I liked that. 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:45.839 Yeah. I know. I've seen multiple film versions of various 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:48.880 Vern novels, and a number of those are a lot 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:52.360 of fun. I don't think we've covered one on Weird 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:54.600 House Cinema though, have we? Have we covered a Vern's 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:56.080 a direct Vern's adaptation? 0:04:57.120 --> 0:05:00.280 Well, we did Invention for Destruction, which I think it 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:03.200 was a loose adaptation of a different not of a 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:07.040 novel by Jules Vern. I forget the name of it. Sorry, 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:08.839 I just had to look it up. The Vern novel 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:12.159 that was based on was called Facing the Flag alternately 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:14.680 for the Flag from eighteen ninety six. 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:17.560 Yeah. Yeah, And the film that we watched was a 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:22.360 nineteen fifty eight black and white science fiction adventure film, yeah, 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:25.120 which was wonderful. Yes, I remember it as being very 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:26.039 visually pleasing. 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:28.559 But to your point, yeah, there are some great movie 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:31.320 adaptations of Vern. I mean, the twenty thousand Leagues with 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:34.480 James Mason is how do you beat that? It's James Mason. 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:37.679 All right, but all this has just been a preface 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:40.719 to Cotton Candy Joe dig into the Cotton Candy Force. 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:43.360 Oh all right, let's see. Well here, I'm going to 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:46.159 start with this message you pulled in from discord from 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:54.480 listener Eric. Eric says, I'm usually over in the Weird 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:57.560 House channels, but I recently listened to the Cotton Candy 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:01.000 two parter. I was especially drawn to these episodes because 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:04.320 I used to work at a movie theater with a 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:07.559 cotton candy machine, and not to toot my own horn, 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:10.280 but I got pretty skilled at spinning some of the biggest, 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:14.800 fluffiest bags of cotton candy you've ever seen. One thing 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:17.520 I don't think was touched on, though it's probably obvious, 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:21.680 is just how sticky the process is. Most cotton candy 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:25.960 sessions left me covered in tiny sugar crystals embedded in 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:29.280 my hair and eyelashes, to the point where I felt 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:32.839 the need to wash my face afterwards. But it gets worse. 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:37.479 Sometimes after running around cleaning theaters, I'd be sweaty and 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:41.279 we'd need to whip up a fresh batch. Oh, the 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:44.640 sugar would stick to my face and even my eyelids. 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:49.320 Just imagine trying to blink with sticky eyelids. Despite all that, 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:52.440 making cotton candy was ridiculously fun and none of it 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:56.159 stopped me from becoming the resident cotton candy master at 0:06:56.160 --> 0:07:00.800 my theater. Anyway. Great episodes, awesome job guys. Thank you Eric. 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:04.839 That is so gross. Just thinking about that makes my 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:07.200 skin crawl, and so I have no choice but to 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:08.640 respect your courage. 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:11.880 Yeah, it shockingly close to killer clowns from outer space 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:13.200 territory with that story. 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:17.480 Yeah, makes you think they could get you cocooned pretty easy. Yeah. 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:20.640 I did not have any cotton candy over the break, 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:23.720 but I went with my family and some friends to 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:27.720 San Diego Zoo, which is a pretty amazing zoo. A 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:30.760 lot of cotton candy there. Having done these episodes about 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:34.160 cotton candy, I was just seeing it everywhere in ways 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:36.360 that I normally maybe don't pay that much attention to it. 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:42.000 But I did feel a certain residual stickiness at times. 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:46.440 When I watched a child consuming a big cone of 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:49.560 the stuff, you can almost like feel the sugar in 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:53.320 the air. Occasionally there was some discarded on the ground, 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:56.800 and there was actually at least one like automated cotton 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:59.640 candy machine. I didn't really spend much time with it 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:02.600 because I want to attract any of the children and 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:06.480 our party over to it. But I was tempted at 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:08.440 that point. I was like, if this, if no one 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:10.800 was around, I might put some money in this machine 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:11.560 and see what happens. 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.600 Sneak away for stealth adult cotton candy. 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:18.080 Yeah, all right, This next one comes to us from Phoenix. 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:26.320 Phoenix says, good morning. I enjoyed the Invention podcast so 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:28.040 much and was sad to see it go, So I'm 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:31.440 always thrilled when you guys dive back into these topics. Now, 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:34.280 what is Phoenix talking about here? Well, for a short while, 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:39.000 Joe and I had a separate podcast titled Invention. You 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:41.240 can still find that podcast feed out there, and we 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:44.679 did I don't remember how many episodes, each one tied 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:47.160 to an Invention. Now, at some point or another, I 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:49.640 think all those episodes were republished in the Stuff to 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:53.960 Blow your Mind podcast feed, and we've continued on with 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:57.320 the spirit of those episodes, occasionally doing some sort of 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:00.240 an Invention themed episode, and we usually work the world 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:03.800 Invention into the title, just to make it clear that's right. 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:06.880 So while we no longer produce Invention as a separate 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:09.920 show on its own feed on a set schedule it 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:12.640 lives on, we will still keep doing these episodes from 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:13.319 time to time. 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:16.280 Yeah, I mean go check them out. The show does 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:20.560 get listened, so I stand by those episodes. There were 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:24.240 a lot of fun anyway, Phoenix continues, I just wanted 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:26.760 to share a little something. As a teenager, I worked 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:29.199 at an amusement park and occasionally I had to make 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:32.040 the cotton candy. As you guys stated, it has a 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:34.400 very short shelf life. Part of this is because it 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:37.199 absorbs the moisture in the air. But another attractive feature 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:39.320 of cotton candy is how light an aira it is, 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:42.160 and that does not last very long because it starts 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:44.559 to collapse and condense under its own weight within a 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:47.320 matter of hours, and so by the second half of 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:49.880 the day, any pre made cotton candy was pretty second 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:53.120 rate to the fresh stuff. We actually wouldn't make very 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:55.680 much of it, and someone would make new bags every 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:57.960 few hours to try and keep it nice and fresh 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:00.559 for the patrons. Thanks again for all ways sharing such 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:02.400 amazing and wonderful topics, Phoenix. 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:06.199 I wonder if there is a selection process in play, 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:11.199 like the cotton candy vendor sees a person approaching and decides, 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:13.720 does this person are they gonna be the type who 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:15.839 complains if they don't get the good stuff? Or is 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:17.680 this a kid who's not going to know the difference, 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:20.800 Like you can give them the old collapsing cotton candy 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:22.160 and it's just just fine. 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:24.960 Yeah, Or maybe do they need a little enticing Do 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:28.320 they need to see someone making cotton candy to sort 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:31.920 of cinch the cell to the child and or the 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:34.400 parents who have to produce the money that sort of thing. 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:38.120 Can you imagine though, the parent who tries to bargain 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:40.120 with you, So the parents like, no, no, I'm not 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:42.800 paying for that old cotton candy, I need fresh stuff 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:43.400 for my kid. 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:46.520 Yeah, oh, I can imagine that. I can also imagine 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:49.200 the reverse. You're like, don't give me that fresh stuff. 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:51.640 I want the old stuff. Give it to me a discount. 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:53.840 Oh well, speaking of that, that will tie into our 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:55.640 next message. Are you ready for me to read this 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:56.480 one from Sheldean. 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:57.160 Let's do. 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:06.080 Okay? Sheldyan says, Hi, Rob, Joe, and JJ, it's such 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:08.400 a weird coincidence that you did the two episodes on 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:11.560 cotton candy because it's been on my mind recently. I 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:14.120 loved it as a kid, but as an almost fifty 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:17.440 year old, it's just too sweet now. So I'm South 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:21.160 African and we call it candy floss there. My recollection 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:23.200 is that as a child, we'd have to go to 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:26.440 the beach to get candy floss. There were usually vendors 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:30.599 selling various types of foods, and if we wanted fresh floss, 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:33.240 that was the place to go. But we could also 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:37.520 usually get it at markets, fairs or fetes. Another interesting 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:40.439 variance is we'd get it in a plastic bag. I've 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:43.920 never had candyfloss on a stick or holder of any type. 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:46.560 Even when my kids were young, that was the way 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:49.000 of it, but by the time they came along early 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:52.080 two thousands, we could also buy candy floss at the 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:56.040 shops in small airtight buckets. In Afrikaans, it's got a 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:59.640 great name spook a sim or maybe a spoke a sim, 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:06.080 which means ghost breath, keep up the great work regards Sheldane. 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:08.200 And then here's the ps that ties into what you 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:11.640 were saying, rob Ps. I forgot to add having candy 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:14.760 floss in a plastic bag also helped create the way 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:18.080 I like to eat it. You'd have to unknot the bag, 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:20.679 which is always puffed full of air, and then I'd 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:25.400 squash the floss flat into a sugary piece of crunchy board. 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:26.960 The best way to eat. 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:31.280 It, I mean, fair enough, that's just not a wrong 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:32.120 way to eat cotton. 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:34.800 I say, with affection, what is wrong with you? 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:40.440 Well? I will say that had I grown up being 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:44.280 exposed to cotton candy as ghost breath candy, I would 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:46.120 have probably had it a bit more, and maybe it 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:50.200 would have a warmer place in my heart. All right, 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:52.560 let's see what else do we have from the cotton 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:56.360 candy archives here. This one comes to us from Pat. 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:04.880 Pat says, I very much enjoyed your episodes on cotton candy. However, 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:08.920 I truly dislike cotton candy itself. I am not one 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:11.600 to eat many sweets. In fact, after the abundance of 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:13.720 candy from Halloween and Easter, I give a lot of 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:16.920 it to my sister, who consumed it quite quickly. I 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:20.160 took days to eat all of mine. Mom sometimes asked 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:22.520 if I was taking so long just to torture my sister, 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:25.680 and it did indeed torture her. As much as I 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:29.080 dislike cotton candy, I do like a pinch of maple 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:32.720 cotton candy. Living in the Northeast, we are blessed with 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:36.080 sugar maple trees, and someone must have decided to use 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:39.960 maple sugar to make cotton candy. It is amazing. One 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:42.600 pinch is enough so I can avoid a sugar crash, 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:46.080 but I'm always tempted to eat more. I'm glad I 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:50.040 found your podcast and the fantastic variety of subjects you cover. 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:54.400 Oh thanks so much, Pat, You know you've got me interested. 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:57.360 I am not usually very into the idea of eating 0:13:57.400 --> 0:13:59.719 cotton candy, but maple flavored I would give that. 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:02.319 Ah, I would give it. I would give it a pinch, 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:04.800 much like this. I probably have a pinch of it, 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:06.720 and then I don't know, hold the rest under a 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:11.320 water foucet or something to destroy the evidence. But yeah, 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:15.000 that does sound interesting. Oh, by the way, Pat also 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:18.880 had a question about where to find the old Invention episodes. 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:22.640 You should still be able to find that podcast feed 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:26.200 out there wherever you get your podcasts, just look for 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:30.520 Invention or Invention podcast. Our names are going to be 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:34.080 mentioned in the about data. But I just did a 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:38.120 quick internet search and it seemed to come up pretty 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:40.880 easily on my end, So just turn around you should 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:43.400 be able to find it. If you're having trouble, email 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:44.600 us and we'll send you a link. 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:47.960 Side note, You can, of course listen however you want, 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:49.840 but if you just want to listen in a way 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:51.640 that helps us out the most, you might want to 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:54.440 listen if we've rerun the episode, listen to the one 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:56.880 on the stuff to blow your mind. Feed that gives 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:57.760 us another little ping. 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:08.960 Yeah, yeah, absolutely, all right, Joe, have we had enough 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:10.120 cotton candy for the day? 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:13.080 I think we have. Let's see, how about we do 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:16.000 some messages in response to our series on pretend play. 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:20.040 I'm gonna read this one from Sauna. Saana says hello 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:23.240 from Sweden. I've been listening to you guys for years 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:27.000 now and the pretend Play episodes were really interesting. I 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:30.320 work as a dentist in northern Sweden and I use 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:34.440 pretend play every week. The child patients, mostly between the 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:37.200 ages of four to seven, who have to go through 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:39.600 a filling of a tooth, can be a bit nervous 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:43.720 or scared by creating a story or a play around 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:47.000 the treatment, the whole thing usually goes more smoothly. The 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:51.360 drill becomes the shower, the cavity is the house of 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:56.880 the tooth bacteria or tooth trolls in Swedish what and 0:15:56.960 --> 0:16:01.480 the filling material is the door to prevent new tooth 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:05.400 trolls going back into the tooth. The young children can 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.160 become really invested in the stories and it makes the 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:12.960 experience a bit more fun. Best regards Sauna, oh. 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:17.120 Man, tooth trolls, ghost Breath, There's so many wonders here 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:19.440 that I missed out on, while not missing out on 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:22.840 the things that they're not the awful things that bear the. 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:25.760 Name the House of the tooth Bacteria one of the 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:27.520 lesser known Christopher Lee films. 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:30.280 Yeah, but this is. 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:32.840 Delightful to think about, and it makes me wonder how 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:36.440 like you couldn't do this with adults because they would 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:39.280 be like, why are you playing this game and talking 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:41.840 about tooth trolls. I'm an adult. You know, people would 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:45.800 probably feel disrespected by trying to do this with them. 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:48.400 But I feel like if adults could be game for 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:50.720 this kind of thing, it might actually help. 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:55.920 Yeah, most adults are probably not going to react fondly too. 0:16:56.040 --> 0:17:00.200 You've got tooth trolls, so you have to sugarcoat it. 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:03.120 Or you may not sugarcoat it, Like you can't play 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:06.360 the pretend game with adults. But even if it might 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:09.280 actually help with adults, if they were a game for it. 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:11.560 I think they. I think most adults would would and 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:14.320 would be in our game for a different sort of 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:17.480 sugar coating, you know. I feel like, you know, sometimes 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:21.879 it's just it's freshened up clinical language and so forth, 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:26.480 And I mean it's probably gonna vary worldview to worldview. 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:28.320 But yeah, I think I think you still have to 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:32.119 sugarcoat things for adults in these situations. It's just a 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:34.560 different form of sugarcoating, and maybe it's a little less 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:37.760 overtly fun. But I think you should maybe have the 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:40.800 option to sign on for pretend play. Why not? All right? 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:48.399 This one comes to us from Matt. Matt says, Hey, guys, 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:50.360 I thought I might drop you a line about something 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:53.800 I remember from my early childhood with regard to imaginative play. 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:56.960 There's one experience in particular that stands out in my mind. 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:59.480 I grew up in a highly religious family that had 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:02.960 the rule that we could not play outside on Sunday 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:06.080 to keep the Sabbath day holy and all that. On 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:08.840 the day in question, I snuck outside to do just that, 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:12.400 play outside with the other neighborhood kids. They were pretending 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:14.879 they were in a gang, and we were carrying around 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:18.080 sticks with grape fruits stuck to the end that they 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:20.960 called their weapons. This was in Florida, by the way, 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:23.200 so such fruit trees were not hard to come by. 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:25.640 Now the part I want to mention about this. At 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:28.440 my young age, I was uncertain whether they were pretending 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:31.320 or if they actually believed they were a threatening cohort 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:35.960 with these deadly fruits on sticks. Additional relevant information, I 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:38.640 believe that I might have some level of autism, though 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:41.760 no diagnosis was ever attempted due to my parents' religious 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:45.119 and political beliefs, and I am unsure if that uncertainty 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:47.000 is a sign of that or if it is a 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:49.840 common experience as we learned to model the minds and 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:52.399 behaviors of others. But in any case, I thought it 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:54.960 might be an interesting point of discussion for you guys. 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:58.399 Whatever your thoughts, I'd be interested to hear them this 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:03.000 regarding how to evaluate the gang of children whether they 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:05.040 were pretending to be in a gang or actually in 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:05.480 a gang. 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:09.680 They thought they were actually in a gang. 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:12.400 Yeah, yeah, I guess it's it's kind of difficult right 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:16.880 to gauge that because I'm just thinking, like the mindset 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:18.720 of the kids who are pretending to be in a gang, 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:21.200 At what point does that become being in a gang? 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:24.399 You know, even if you set out to pretend. Like 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:27.960 I remember part of my childhood, this would have been 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:32.280 in a few years that I lived in Canada, there 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:36.160 were kids that had these sticks with nails through them, 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:37.960 so it was like very mad Max and I guess 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:40.119 this was around the time of like road War or something, 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:42.760 but they were they were sticks with nails through them, 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:45.439 Like you could have messed somebody up with these, but 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:48.560 they were toys and the kids kind of acted like 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:51.720 they were in some sort of a post apocalyptic gang. 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:55.440 But since they had sticks with nails through them, who's 0:19:55.480 --> 0:19:56.199 to say they were not. 0:19:56.920 --> 0:19:59.639 Yeah, that race is a really good point. There. There 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:03.560 were different types of sort of pretend architecture for pretend 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:07.639 to play. So one is where the as if world 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:12.760 is changing objective facts about reality. The banana is really 0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:15.840 objectively not a phone, but you can pretend it is. 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:18.640 But there are other types of pretend play where what 0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:23.560 you're pretending about our mind states and intentions. So like 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:28.640 play fighting, the pretense there is like we're acting as 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:32.000 if we were really fighting, but we're not really fighting, 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:34.960 and all it would take for that to become really 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:38.639 fighting is a change in the minds and intentions of 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:42.400 the people playing, you know, so you're not like pretending 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:45.119 about some objective external fact in the world. You're just 0:20:45.160 --> 0:20:49.520 pretending about what we're doing. And a gang is kind 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:52.760 of like that, isn't it. Yeah, Yeah, And to extend 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:56.280 from that point, I think with that second type of pretend, 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:59.440 where you're not pretending about objective facts in the world, 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:03.800 but you're pretending about intentions, it's easier to blur the 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:09.440 line between are we between are we just suspending disbelief 0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:11.840 for the purpose of play, or do we really believe this? 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:13.320 It can kind of you can kind of get to 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:17.119 the point where you are intentionally not looking at that line. 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:21.000 You're like not, You're willing yourself not to notice whether 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:23.119 you are doing one or the other, at least for 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:26.080 the moment, and then something might an event might kind 0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:29.240 of force you to acknowledge the line again and say, no, 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:31.879 this is really what we're doing. But I think a 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:34.160 lot of play as children, like when you get into 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:38.600