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Speaker 1: Hey wan to welcome in.

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Speaker 2: I'm Doug Gottlie.

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Speaker 3: This is all Ball.

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Speaker 2: We got a great all ball for you, a guy

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Speaker 2: who I have respected for years for the job that

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Speaker 2: he's done now at two locations in a Chris Wright

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Speaker 2: will be my guest. He's the head coach at Langston University. Langston,

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Speaker 2: of course is in HBCU. They also are in Naia

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Speaker 2: and what he has done with that program is truly

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Speaker 2: truly remarkable. Check it in to you, Check it in

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Speaker 2: with you. A week two of being Individual one men's

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Speaker 2: head basketball coach, and I'll keep sharing some of these stories,

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Speaker 2: but it's really fascinating, you know, as you get deeper

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Speaker 2: and deeper into recruiting, even during this kind of a

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Speaker 2: shortened period of time because we got the job in

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Speaker 2: the middle of May, you just kind of start to

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Speaker 2: figure out the landscape which most of us already knew

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Speaker 2: how it existed. And I would say that while some

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Speaker 2: would complain about agents, my dealings with the agents has

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Speaker 2: been great. They've actually been really really good in terms

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Speaker 2: of locking in on zoom times and general planning and

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Speaker 2: being professional and giving you a real sense of where

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Speaker 2: the kid is in decision making. The high school coaches

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Speaker 2: are still important. The junior college coaches are the or

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Speaker 2: the au coaches are still very very important in terms

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Speaker 2: of connecting with the player. I would say the one

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Speaker 2: issue which has always been an issue in college basketball

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Speaker 2: and professional basketball has been kind of the guy that's

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Speaker 2: the he's not the agent and he's not the coach,

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Speaker 2: and he's just kind of in the middle. And sometimes

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Speaker 2: that guy, not always, can be a bad actor and

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Speaker 2: can lead you to believe that it's one thing when

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Speaker 2: it's something else. But outside of that, I mean to

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Speaker 2: be a totally candid with you, it's still, you know,

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Speaker 2: a chance a play, style of play. Location plays a

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Speaker 2: little bit of factor. Hey, coach, can we win? Do

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Speaker 2: we have twenty four hour access to the gym? Apparently

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Speaker 2: this is an issue at some places, it's not where

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Speaker 2: I coach. But outside of that, it has not nearly

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Speaker 2: been everyone with their hands out the way I think

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Speaker 2: the world perceives it to be. But some of that

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Speaker 2: is obviously you're the What players are getting for me

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Speaker 2: is opportunity, a chance to play, and a chance to

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Speaker 2: play what I think is going to be a very

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Speaker 2: player friendly system and a boy which the ball moves.

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Speaker 3: But we also score a lot of points.

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Speaker 2: The point is, though, that while everyone has tried to

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Speaker 2: talk me off of this hill of coaching in college basketball,

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Speaker 2: I'm a couple of weeks in and I'm loving every

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Speaker 2: second of it. Obviously, with the NBA Finals upcoming, I'm

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Speaker 2: just going to tell you preliminarily, I think the Dallas

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Speaker 2: Mavericks is going to win. They have better im protection,

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Speaker 2: and they have a better best player who's also onechampionships before.

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Speaker 2: And while you know America may not value European championship

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Speaker 2: or a FOBA championship, the fact that at a young

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Speaker 2: age Luca was able to carry his team and make

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Speaker 2: big shots. And you look at close out games so

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Speaker 2: far in the playoffs and Luca is not afraid of

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Speaker 2: the big moment. Neither is Kyrie. They're not a perfect team,

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Speaker 2: but I do think that their best the matchup actually

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Speaker 2: Celtics more. Perzingis could be the X factor, right because

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Speaker 2: he can defend the ram Man stretch to the floor.

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Speaker 2: But when you haven't played in like a month a

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Speaker 2: NBA Finals, that seems like a stretch, just does. So

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna take the Mavericks. We'll say Mavericks in six six.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's welcome in our guest. He's the head

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Speaker 2: coach of Langston University at to All Americans this year.

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Speaker 2: He's an amazing job considering you know, I've been around

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Speaker 2: Langston for twenty five years or so, and it was

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Speaker 2: a nondescript basketball program until now Here's the reason why

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Speaker 2: I'm fascinated, coach, by how you've built this thing. And

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Speaker 2: I'm fascinated because, you know, Langston is a place that

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Speaker 2: I know really, really well, obviously, not just my time

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Speaker 2: here it is. It's like when you talk about historically

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Speaker 3: So crazy story.

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Speaker 4: So I was at another HBCU in Alabama, Talladega College.

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Speaker 3: So we were there for four years.

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Speaker 4: In our last season there, you know, we make it

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Speaker 4: And you know, even if i'm you know, kind of

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Speaker 4: you know, do get some feedback. I don't know if

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Speaker 4: I send my stuff in about two am. The next morning,

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Speaker 4: you know, I go interview there and still not sure

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Speaker 4: in or not. I'm supposed to have dinner with him

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Speaker 4: for about an hour and a half and we end

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Speaker 4: it's kind of a god thing how it worked out.

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Speaker 2: What's it like be a white coach at an HPCU.

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Speaker 4: You know, Doug, I get asked that a lot, And uh,

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Speaker 4: I guess because it's six years now, right that we've

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Speaker 4: been in an HBCU, Like it's very second nature to me,

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Speaker 4: right like now, like you almost don't think anything of it.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean I definitely think there are right

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Speaker 4: when I was at Talladega playing in that league that

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Speaker 2: It's interesting though, because my dad used to tell me.

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Speaker 2: He always said, like, you know, you go you know

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Speaker 2: You treat people with respect, like they will just because

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Speaker 2: is interesting that there'll always be some people that push back,

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Speaker 2: but overwhelmingly, and I'm sure you've experienced this, overwhelmingly, it's

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Speaker 2: just about being treated normal, you know, like there's you

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Speaker 4: I loved, you know, our six years being two different

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Speaker 4: when I was hired at Langston, I know our president

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Speaker 4: took a lot of heat for right for hiring another

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Speaker 4: But you know, I think we started off seventeen and

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Speaker 2: Well, so what's the secret? I mean again, it's it's

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Speaker 4: You know, obviously gray comes down to players, right at

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Speaker 4: And so I think that's you know, a big part

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Speaker 4: But at the same time, I think our culture is

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Speaker 2: So okay, so you bringing eight new players, how do

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Speaker 4: So, you know, I joke with a lot of my

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Speaker 4: it's a lot of turnover, you know, very very I've

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Speaker 4: I always tell them you're not going to be treated equal,

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Speaker 4: It's amazing though, how close our teams always end up

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the big thing, right, Like they're not necessarily

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Speaker 2: But you need to love each other, right, that's the

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Speaker 2: that's the play for each other. Love each other, have

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Speaker 2: each other's back. That's that's I think the magic of

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Speaker 2: the secret sauce as well as having really good players. Okay,

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Speaker 2: but when you bring in those guys from Division one,

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Speaker 2: how do you manage their expectations? Because again this is

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Speaker 2: How have you change over these last six years in

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Speaker 2: When you when you point out your defensive numbers, do

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Speaker 2: stuff fascinating to see the evolution of the sport. You know,

433
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 2: the example I always give is, you know, everybody runs

434
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,360
Speaker 2: the ballscreen continuity on some level, and then you know, finally,

435
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,159
Speaker 2: I finally seen this year people doing what I like

436
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 2: to do, which is like, right, yeah, you come in

437
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 2: the middle, but you can also flip it and go

438
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 2: to the baseline and use different kind of quadrants of

439
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,399
Speaker 2: the court. And the angles are different, the ball screens

440
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 2: are different, the roles are different. But it's part of

441
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 2: what makes basketball different now is now that that weak

442
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:35,159
Speaker 2: side corner is such a money spot that you know,

443
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,399
Speaker 2: twenty five thirty years ago, I drive and draw and

444
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 2: kick the weakside corner. Now defenses are set to play that,

445
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,920
Speaker 2: so you have to have, you know, other answers for

446
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 2: the problems. But that's the part that really kind of

447
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 2: stimulates your brain in terms of the coaching, at least

448
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 2: for me. I don't know about you.

449
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. It is fascinating to look at. So

450
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 4: this was I guess you're twenty two for me in

451
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,640
Speaker 4: college basketball. And so to look back when I first

452
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 4: started coaching to now, I mean, it's it's nine to

453
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 4: day difference, right as far as like I felt like

454
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 4: when I was when I was growing up and I

455
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 4: started coaching, I mean, how many true motion teams?

456
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:11,360
Speaker 2: Did you see?

457
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 3: A lot?

458
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 4: A lot, right, And it's like nowadays it's it's a

459
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 4: rarity to see a team that's a true motion team.

460
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, there's nobody. There's there's nobody runs nobody runs motion.

461
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 2: It just doesn't exist. And you wonder, you know, I

462
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 2: use football as an example, right, So the zone read stuff.

463
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 2: If you ask football guys, they'll tell you, like, that's

464
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,199
Speaker 2: just theer, that's just triple option football. The only thing

465
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 2: that's changed is outside the numbers, you have the ability

466
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 2: to throw the football. And part of it is the

467
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 2: rule change where you know, now you can actually go

468
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 2: about three and a half four yards down the field blocking,

469
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,439
Speaker 2: so you can't tell the RPO is, you can't tell

470
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 2: if it's runner pass. So you have, yeah, basically option football, okay,

471
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 2: with the ability to throw it, and then it's hard

472
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 2: to read based on the blocking because they can go

473
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 2: further down the field. Right. So that's but the idea is,

474
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 2: you know the old wishbone that Oklahoma used to run,

475
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 2: you know, back in the eighties when when coach Switcher

476
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 2: was there, like it still exists. It just looks very

477
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 2: different now, but it's really the same offense, right right, Okay,

478
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 2: So the question becomes does the motion offense ever return?

479
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 4: Man, I would say probably not, right, I mean just

480
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 4: when you think again when you mentioned ball screens and

481
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 4: just right, I mean again, twenty years ago in college basketball,

482
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 4: there wasn't near as many ball screens as you see now, right,

483
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 4: And so I would love to see a stat on

484
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 4: what like ball screens purpossession now versus ride in the

485
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 4: early two thousands, like what that would look like.

486
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's a fascinating question though.

487
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 2: Coach, Yeah, I think it's interesting. Right, Like the Warriors,

488
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 2: since kurtr has been there, they've had like league lows

489
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 2: in ball screens because you have Steph who's just as

490
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 2: good off the ball as he is on the ball,

491
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 2: maybe even better off the ball than he is on

492
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 2: the ball. So does it come down to personnel wise?

493
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 2: And then then the big thing is you're you'd have

494
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 2: to teach your team how to play within emotion offense.

495
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 2: None of them played it growing up, right, they all

496
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 2: just I mean, one of the reasons I want to

497
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 2: play five out is honestly, even though they don't necessarily

498
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: do anything out of it. In AU ball, that's how

499
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 2: most AU teams play is five out or then into

500
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 2: a high ball screen. So you can kind of play

501
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 2: to their strengths. You do, you have to teach them

502
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,919
Speaker 2: what specifically cuts and reads you have, but the general

503
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 2: premise of spacing they actually know pretty well. And then

504
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 2: some of the reasons I think they know better because

505
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 2: like kids don't play as much, but they do work

506
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 2: out probably more so they're doing stuff one on cone,

507
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 2: so they know where it's supposed to be. Now you

508
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 2: just got to kind of put the chess pieces in

509
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 2: place so that they can go and and and they

510
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 2: can make those libraries in the game. But I think

511
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 2: that the death of the motion offense and will it

512
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 2: ever be brought back to life. That's a fascinating question.

513
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 2: I just don't. I don't know anybody who has the

514
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 2: time or can keep their team together. I mean maybe

515
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 2: like a Matt Painter and they run some sort of motion,

516
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 2: you know, and then you know, Virginia runs some block remover,

517
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 2: but not a lot. I just I remember every you know,

518
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,640
Speaker 2: we used to call passing game too for his motions.

519
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 2: Passing game. So you can do passing cut or passing

520
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 2: the screen away, you can do two side motion. There's

521
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 2: a lot of ones, but generally nobody runs it. It's crazy,

522
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 2: the death of the motion offense. And I wonder if

523
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 2: it comes back.

524
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think too, like when you make a

525
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 4: great point, like I know, for me, the hardest thing

526
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 4: for me to get our guys to do is to

527
00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 4: screen like in anything right, like ball screens, down screens,

528
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 4: just because growing up now kids aren't taught to screen right.

529
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 4: It's and I think that is kind of problematic, right

530
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 4: if you if you look at trying to run something

531
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 4: with a lot of motion principles.

532
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 2: What's the goal for you? What's if you close your

533
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 2: eyes and say, coach, what do you want what do

534
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 2: you what's your goal in coaching to be?

535
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 4: You know, so I've known that I wanted to be

536
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 4: a college basketball coach since I was right since I

537
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 4: was like fourteen years old, but I didn't didn't play

538
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 4: college basketball, got recruited by some Division iiies, you know.

539
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 3: Unfortunately it wasn't.

540
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 4: A high demand for an unathletic white guy that just

541
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 4: shoots it, okay, right, so uh you know, so when

542
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 4: I was growing up, right, my goal was just to

543
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 4: be a college basketball coach. And then now getting to

544
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 4: this point, obviously right to we've been so close to

545
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 4: winning the national title at Talladega in here, and I,

546
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 4: you know, more than anything, right, I want to win

547
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 4: a national championship.

548
00:27:59,560 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 2: You know.

549
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 4: If I had some great opportunities to go to the

550
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 4: Division IE level, that just maybe hasn't been the right

551
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 4: for us, for you know, for my wife and I.

552
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 4: But coach, I don't know, man, I don't know what

553
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 4: God has in store. But exud mean, I love being

554
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 4: at Langston. And you know, if you'd have told me

555
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,959
Speaker 4: twenty years ago that this is the life I would have, man,

556
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 4: I wouldn't. I wouldn't trade it for anything.

557
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 2: Well, what do you have to be better at to

558
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 2: a national championship personally, you know, I.

559
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 4: Think we spend so much time and our identities based

560
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 4: so much off what we do defensively. You know that

561
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 4: our offense struggles sometimes, you know. I mean when you

562
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 4: look at the numbers, you wouldn't see that. I mean,

563
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 4: we averaged about eighty three points a game and shot

564
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 4: close to fifty percent from the field.

565
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 3: And but you.

566
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 4: Know, I think there's some times our offense becomes a

567
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 4: little stagnant. You know, we run a ton of sets.

568
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 4: I'm really big, and trying to get the ball to

569
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 4: our best players and in their spots and playing off them.

570
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 3: But man, I know we can get better, you know,

571
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 3: in that aspect.

572
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's interesting, you know that there's just

573
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 2: so many little things that get uncovered when you get

574
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: to that very very top level of play, and then

575
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 2: you're like, oh God, we should have done that, man,

576
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 2: should have done that. But then there's no game. You

577
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 2: gotta you gotta wait, you know, eight months before you

578
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 2: play your player, your your next game. Why do you

579
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 2: think it's so difficult to climb from the NAIA to

580
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 2: the Division one head coaching ladder? It really, it really feels.

581
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 2: I mean, look, Ben McCollum was at D two killing

582
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: it forever. I mean just now now some of it

583
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 2: was he was a little choosy because I think there

584
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 2: were some other opportunities could have had. But any ia, like,

585
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: you just don't see that level of jump. And it

586
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 2: is college basketball. You are, you know, you are in

587
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 2: the transfer portal, you are recruiting, you're putting together. You're

588
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 2: actually doing a lot more than the manual labor than

589
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 2: the big boys do. Why do you think it's difficult

590
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 2: to make that jump? You know?

591
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 3: I think a couple of things.

592
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 4: Like one, I think when look like thirty years ago, right,

593
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 4: I mean if you look at the number of junior

594
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 4: college coaches that became Division one head coaches, right, that

595
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 4: was a common occurrence. And now I feel like levels

596
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 4: are so much more kind of.

597
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 3: Installated, you know. I think you know, searge firms play

598
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 3: a big role in that.

599
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 4: Right, Like, and if if you're any Division one school

600
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 4: and you go hiring an AI coach and you're you're

601
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 4: not winning the press conference, right, it's.

602
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 3: Not necessarily a sexy higher you know.

603
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 4: And two, I think you know, the NAI maybe doesn't

604
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 4: get credit for you know, the especially the top of

605
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 4: the NAI is really really good basketball. You know, I

606
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 4: think a lot of people have a perception like it's

607
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 4: just the wild wild West, that academics are just awful.

608
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 4: And you know, I don't think people realize like how

609
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 4: similar INNAI and Division two really are, you know, I mean,

610
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 4: especially academically, there's not there's not much differences between the

611
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 4: two levels.

612
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I think the big thing is that, uh

613
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 2: And I credit Josh Boon when he hired me. And

614
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: I'm sure you know your president, your ad as well,

615
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: which is you know a lot of guys are in

616
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 2: those positions are just risk averse, right, just risk averse. Oh,

617
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 2: I don't know. You'd rather hire a guy who sat

618
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 2: on somebody's bench and you don't. And they called you

619
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 2: about him, they told you how Grady was, but you

620
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 2: have no real where It's like you're actually coaching, doing

621
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 2: the you know, the dirty work that at Division I

622
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 2: level assistanms most times do and building it and building

623
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 2: consistent winner. You know. So it's that part of it.

624
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 2: And I'm not being critical of I'm not being critical

625
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 2: of athletic director. We're painting what I say was a

626
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 2: real picture, like the real picture is like, look, it's

627
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 2: hard to take a risk. You don't know where that

628
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: guy is in his contract, what his relationship with the

629
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 2: president is. You know, every school has some you know,

630
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: different marching orders. But it is interesting that, you know,

631
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: ANAIA as as many good coaches that have come from there,

632
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: just don't see them going from an I an A

633
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 2: I A head coach to Division I head coach very often.

634
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is, it's I think it is a rarity.

635
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 4: And you know, I think when you look at some

636
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 4: guys that that have come from the NAI, it really

637
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 4: makes you right being at this level, makes you root

638
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 4: for their success, like, you know, like this year for instance,

639
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 4: I know Craig Doughty was hired at Houston Christian.

640
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 3: You know he won a championship Graceland.

641
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 4: I mean you look at guys like Ray Harper right

642
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 4: Jacksonville State. Uh, I mean he won a few national

643
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 4: titles at Oklahoma City. So yeah, I think there are

644
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 4: some examples, but yeah, you're right, there are definitely few

645
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 4: and far between.

646
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's it's it's interesting. If you could change

647
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 2: one thing about how you do business, you can change

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Speaker 2: one thing about college basketball from the ni A perspective

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Speaker 2: I put you in charge, what would be you know?

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 4: So for instance, for us, you know, we always could

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Speaker 4: play thirty regular season games, and then two years ago

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Speaker 4: that got shrunk down to twenty eight, again more compatible

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Speaker 4: to NCAA Division two, And so I would really try

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Speaker 4: to keep our identity at the NAI level, like right,

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Speaker 4: Like I think it needs to be different just because

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Speaker 4: you don't have the maybe the name recognition of being

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Speaker 4: at an NCAAA school. So like, why would we cut

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Speaker 4: games from thirty to twenty eight? Or you know, four

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Speaker 4: years ago NAI to one in Division two merged in

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Speaker 4: men's basketball, so now it's just one division, and so

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Speaker 4: scholarships went from eleven scholarships to eight, right, and so

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Speaker 4: like those are some changes that I don't necessarily think,

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Speaker 4: you know, are good for.

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Speaker 3: Our level.

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Speaker 2: Even today. Who do you look up to? Intention?

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Speaker 4: You know, my mentor is a guy named Jim Siah

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Speaker 4: coached it, you know, it was a top assistant UCLA

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Speaker 4: for eight years and then was the interim head coach

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Speaker 4: at USC And man, I was really fortunate to learn

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Speaker 4: from from coach. I was young guy, twenty four years old,

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Speaker 4: and man, I'm sitting in his office the first thing

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Speaker 4: he says.

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Speaker 3: Coach, he says, Man, he said, let me help you.

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Speaker 4: He said, if you, you know, want to make it

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Speaker 4: in this profession, be able to recruit.

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Speaker 3: He says. If you if you can get players, you'll

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Speaker 3: always have a job. Right, So that's always uh right.

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Speaker 4: Really really stuck with me. But you know, when you

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Speaker 4: look at him, man, he is just man, a great

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Speaker 4: human being. I think he does things the right way, man,

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Speaker 4: cares about people, and so yeah, I think being able

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Speaker 4: to learn from him really changed the whole trajector me

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Speaker 4: in my you know, my career.

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Speaker 2: Every time. Jimmy Side is a great dude. He's a

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Speaker 2: really really I did not expect that to be the name,

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Speaker 2: that to be the answer. Give me a player who

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Speaker 2: you feel like going through the process of playing for you,

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Speaker 2: go into one of your schools has forever changed them

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Speaker 2: for the better. That's like the stuff, the stuff that

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Speaker 2: you love to talk about. Give me one guy, you're like, man,

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Speaker 2: he came in. It was dicey and look at him now. Man.

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Speaker 4: So when I was at Fresno Pacific, we were in

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Speaker 4: n ai school that went Division two, you know in California.

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Speaker 3: We had a guy named John Taylor. So JOHNN.

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Speaker 4: Taylor was the National JUCO Player of the Year at Mott. So, like,

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Speaker 4: you know, Purdue wanted the Michigan State wanted him, but

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Speaker 4: his academics were a train wreck, and so he had

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Speaker 4: to get like twenty four hours of summer school to

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Speaker 4: get eligible for US. And man, just when you look

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Speaker 4: at him, you know, he had the son when he

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Speaker 4: was really young, and he's had a great career playing overseas.

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Speaker 4: But man, he's a great dad, he's a great person.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 4: Just just seeing the success and he's had outside of basketball,

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Speaker 4: something that's you know, like you know, really touches me.

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Speaker 2: That's why you do it right, Like, yeah, you do

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Speaker 2: it twin, but you do it because of that thing, right,

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Speaker 2: Like you were there a part of the life changing

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Speaker 2: process of college basketball for this guy who you know,

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Speaker 2: he's gonna whenever he stops playing, he has a head

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Speaker 2: start on everybody else and he has all these all

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Speaker 2: these great experiences, all these great experiences. Well, listen, I

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Speaker 2: really appreciate your time and having been around Langston for

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Speaker 2: probably twenty five years, what you've accomplished is unbelievable. I mean, truly,

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Speaker 2: truly unbelievable. I know you want to take that next

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Speaker 2: step and when the whole thing, I'm sure that's coming.

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Speaker 2: But man, I appreciate you joining me and I respect

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Speaker 2: how to what you've done.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, coach. I appreciate you having me.

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Speaker 2: Mine. Thanks so much to Chris Wright for joining me.

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Speaker 2: He's done a remarkable job at Langston. A reminder listening

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Speaker 2: to The Doug Gotlip Show daily three to five Eastern time.

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Speaker 2: got this podcast, and you can get that one as well.

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