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Donald Trump enters a 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:19.520 NATO summit with a mic drop moment, decides to let 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:23.200 some of our European allies no no more free rides 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:27.680 Montfrere no more. Deciding that somebody else is going to 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:31.080 pay the bills for your defense. Time to step up. Plus, 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:36.000 the anti Kavanaugh resistance is increasingly unhinged. Will hit that 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:38.280 and much more coming up on the buck Sexton Show. 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:42.280 This is the buck Sexton Show where the mission or 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:46.480 mission is to decode what really matters with actionable intelligence. 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:52.240 Make no mistake American, You're a great American Again The 0:01:52.360 --> 0:02:01.160 buck Sexton Show begins. No. Two roll wars on their 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:03.800 full ward vocal stuff. The real storment together not a 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:07.240 part um. But how can you be together? What in 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:11.040 country is getting its energy from the person you want 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:13.680 protection against or rumber teams that you wanted to say 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:17.079 that you understand that when we stand together. Also in 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:20.600 dealing with Russia, we are stronger. I think, well, we 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.480 have seen it's not you're just making Russia richer. Well, 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:26.120 they're dealing with Russia making the rest of richer. So 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:29.480 we're supposed to protect Germany, but they're getting their energy 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:34.040 from Russia. Explained that Germany is totally controlled by Russia. 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:37.079 Because they will be getting from sixty to seventy percent 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:41.000 of their energy from Russia and a new pipeline. And 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:43.760 you tell me if that's appropriate, because I think it's not. 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:45.640 And I think it's a very bad thing for NATA 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:48.600 and I don't think it should have happened. And I 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:50.440 think we have to talk to Germany about it. On 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:53.080 top of that, Germany is just paying a little bit 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:56.959 over one, whereas the United States and actual numbers is 0:02:57.000 --> 0:03:01.080 paying four point two percent. Welcome to the buck, sex 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:05.640 and show everybody. Donald Trump coming out swinging at this 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:10.959 uh NATO summit, And I gotta tell you, I think 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:16.840 it's about time. Why not have a heart to heart, 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:21.520 Why not have an honest, no frills conversation with their 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:25.240 European allies. They can handle it, right. These are developed countries. 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:28.040 They've got serious militaries, they've got serious econoties. Remember d 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:32.840 EU in its totality, has a bigger county than the 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:37.200 United States. So why do they look to us for 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:42.000 their collective defense? Right? Why is this a just an 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:47.040 article of faith in the international relations? Smart set? Well? 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:49.240 Trump is asking these questions, and I gotta tell you 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:52.360 it is. It is one of these days where you 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:55.600 see some people are willing to ask why. Other people 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:58.840 just want to sound smart. They just want to say 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:01.440 what they're told to say, just want to be with 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:05.240 the cool kids in the cafeteria. And with with NATO, 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:08.119 we we have a situation wherever it agrees, the Europeans 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:12.680 are in defense terms being something of freeloaders. And if 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:17.320 nothing else, why do we have NATO? I asked that 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:20.520 question in all seriousness. The Soviet Union no longer exists, 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:26.360 the Warsaw pack is not our concerned. NATO's the reason 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:32.360 for NATO's existence no longer exists unless somebody really and 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:40.680 truly believes that Russia is going to invade a sovereign 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:46.080 European nation anytime soon. Uh, there's no real explanation for 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:48.720 what NATO is going to do. We can still have 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.960 multilateral and bilateral defense treaties with any countries you want. 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:57.200 And when you really get down to it, I'm trying 0:04:57.240 --> 0:04:59.360 to be a little contrained, a little provocative because Trump's 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:02.960 out there, and so that means that you get the 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:06.320 hysterical reaction from liberals there. Oh he's gonna destroy that, 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:10.080 He's gonna destroy nd On, what's gonna happen here, Oh, 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:15.839 here we go. Christian arman Pool thinks it's unprecedented, blatant. 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:21.560 It is unprecedented. It violates every norm of an alliance 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:26.159 norm specifically, I'm talking about the captive and controlled by 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:29.800 when he refers to Germany and Angela Merkel being controlled 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:34.279 by Vladimir Putin and Russia. It is unprecedented language. It 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:38.080 is a real threat to the alliance. Is it threats 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:41.359 to the alliance? Why? Why is it a threat to 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:42.839 the How is it a threat to the alliance? No 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:46.640 one saying alliance is going anywhere? But can't we think 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:49.800 about this? Can we have a discussion about what the 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:54.760 future of US European military cooperation should be. People keep 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:56.640 saying this, They say, oh, you know he's doing He's 0:05:56.680 --> 0:06:01.320 doing Putin's bidding. And I say, hold on a second. 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:04.719 Not only is that unfair and skipping way down the 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:07.120 line and act No one's saying we're abandoning your European College. 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:10.239 The one thing we're breaking alliances with with these countries. 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:12.360 We don't want to work with them anymore. We have 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:16.760 deep bonds with our European partners, particularly the UK, but 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:20.960 other countries too, The French, are Okay, A bunch of 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:24.880 those European countries are nice, nice places to visit. But 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:26.920 I also have to ask, you don't really think about this. 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:30.040 Would you want if if trying, if there was an 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:35.479 incident involving Russian masca rof car, which is you know, 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:39.280 warfare via concealment, right, trying to do some kind of 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:43.760 they would create some disturbance, and then Russian paramilitaries are 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:45.799 all of a sudden, you know, in a country like Latvia. 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:48.960 I'm not saying we would abandoned. I'm not saying we 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:51.000 wouldn't put sanctions on Russia, we wouldn't do things, But 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:54.480 would you really would you want your son or daughter 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:57.680 to you know, get get para dropped. I know we 0:06:57.720 --> 0:06:59.120 don't really do that anymore, but you know I'll get 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:01.159 get dropped off by see one thirty next door. And 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:04.640 now we're we're gonna be fighting these Russian paramilitaries in 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:10.840 lat Villa on on behalf of the Latvians. Um. I'm 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:13.000 not saying no, I'm just saying, can we think about 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:16.520 this a little bit? We think beyond just the the 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:20.080 screeds in the hysteria, because what you see is anything 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:23.040 that trumps involved in People don't want to have a 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:27.160 rational conversation. They don't want to have a reasonable discussion. 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:32.640 NATO somehow becomes oh, it's terrible. Uh, look this is 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:35.120 at the end of the day. And I'll be honest 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:36.360 with you. Not a lot of people will. I'll be 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:40.440 honest with you. The NATO conversation. It's just nothing's gonna change. 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:43.360 It's just not really that interesting. What's interesting is the 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:46.560 reaction to Trump being there and and Trump being Trump. 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:50.120 But in terms of the policy shifts, what's really going 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:54.040 to come from this? You know, they just they're so dishonest. 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:56.920 You know, they skip over this all the time. Putin 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:01.760 for example, they say, is so close with Trump, and 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:03.520 I know there's this meeting coming up, and everyone's like, oh, 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:07.080 what are they gonna say to each other? The Trump 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:13.960 administration has been willing to arm Ukrainian military with lethal weapons. 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:21.640 The Obama administration refused those weapons, including UH sniper rifles 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:24.320 that we've been giving and an anti tank missiles, javal 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:27.680 and anti tank missiles to the Ukrainian National Army to 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:35.600 fight against Russian backed and Russian UH irregular separatists in Ukraine. 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:39.600 Obama's team wouldn't do that. They backed off of that. 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:42.880 You have sanctions in place on Russia. Still, you have 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:48.720 the administration very clear that Russian aggression and bellicost behavior 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:54.400 is unacceptable. But there is this still, this, this this 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:57.480 mass hysteria over Prutin and Trump. Putin and Trump they're 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:00.120 they're best friends. I mean, does anybody really think for 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:05.480 a second that Trump wouldn't turn on Putin on let's 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:07.559 even assume they were friends. Trump wouldn't turn on Putin 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:10.280 on a dime if he felt the least bit disrespected 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:13.160 by him. You think Trump plays second fiddle the Putin 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:15.280 at all in his mind, or would even would even 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:20.160 consider such a thing. No. I think what you had 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:23.600 before with the Obama administration was eight years of a 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:27.600 president who looked, acted, and sounded weak on foreign policy matters, 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:31.080 and who Putin thought he could take to the cleaners 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:36.560 and on foreign policy did just that right that he 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:41.920 could just you know, just school them, Just school the 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:45.600 Obama administration, take what they want, get away with a 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:48.040 lot of stuff. You'll notice that the sanctions they put 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:54.600 on Obama didn't come until really, I mean the latest 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:56.400 round of sanctions to say it was for election interference, 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:59.240 but didn't happen the very late in the administration, and 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:05.280 the stuff that they it about Georgia and about Crimea 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:08.439 didn't have any effect on Russian foreign policy what the 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:11.840 Russians accomplished in Syria because Obama was too busy appeasing 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:16.040 the Iranians, you know, I mean, that's not discussed nearly enough. 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:19.000 I'm actually reading almost finished with a book right now 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:20.960 which I will very I very much recommend all of you. 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:27.000 It's called red Notice. Now, red notice is what they 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:30.839 call an international arrest warrant an interpoll. So when a 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:33.080 red notice is out on you, it means that INTERPOL, 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:36.280 the international police agency, has been notified that you are 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:39.400 to be arrested and you are to be uh. You 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:46.440 are to be transferred right extradited to a specific country. UH. Browder, 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:50.800 who wrote the book Red Notice, talks about what it's 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:53.000 like doing business in Russia and then leads you through 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:56.959 the story of the Magnitsky Act for Sarah Gai Magnitsky, 0:10:57.000 --> 0:11:02.920 who was a mild man nerds patriotic Russian. By the way, 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:04.559 I really believed in the Russian state, believe in the 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:08.640 Russian law, a model man of tax attorney who got 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:11.880 on the wrong side of the Kremlin and some of 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:15.520 the oligarchs because of a massive fraud that Browder helped 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:21.079 expose through his business dealings. And then Magnitsky was held 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:25.199 in the worst and most sort of inhumane Russian prison conditions. 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:29.040 He had all kinds of infections and was losing weight, 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:32.560 and they would they they intentionally denied him medical treatment. 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:36.680 He was in horrific suffering. And then when they finally transferred, 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:38.000 I mean, this is the Russian way of doing this. 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:41.000 I have no illusions about Russian Right. The Russian government 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:44.360 is bad and does bad things. They're thugs, but they're 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:46.200 thugs with a lot of nukes. We can't just you know, 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:47.839 kick them around and treat them like they are a 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:51.280 bunch of punks. You know. We gotta let them know that, 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:53.640 yeah we've got you know, we we can hit back too, 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:56.079 but we can't just get injured with them every time 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:58.120 we see them. Right. But I have no illusions about 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:03.440 the Russian state. Neither's Trump. Now that's Pao. Back to 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:06.440 mcnittskey for a moment here, and this was about a 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:10.880 decade or so ago, actually, no less than that. Now, um, well, 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:14.160 I think it was two thousand and it was during 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:19.080 the Obama administration. I'm forgetting this specific year. But so Magnitsky, 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:21.959 this lawyer, is in Russian custody. They deny him medical treatment, 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:24.240 and then finally, wh they're gonna give him medical treatment, 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:26.320 and all the while you've got these press stories, the 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:29.160 journalists are saying that Magnitsky is being held he's being held, 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:33.480 uh in illegal detention. They in Russia, by the they 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:35.480 can hold you for a year without charging. You. Think 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:37.720 about that next time you think that the U S 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:40.600 system is not that great, just remember it's it's the 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:45.360 best of very bad systems. Ah. But then they finally 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:47.680 gonna give him medical treatment. Instead, they sent a bunch 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:51.160 of riot police into his UH cell and beat him 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:54.160 to death with the tons after he had been writhing 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:58.040 in pain for months because of untreated he had kidney stones. 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:01.280 I mean, just terrible stuff. Uh. And the Russians are 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:02.640 trying this is what the Russians do. They try to 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:04.800 make examples of people. It's why they put you know, 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:07.640 polonium and people sushi or whatever and whatever that radio 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:11.360 radio active isotope was that they poisoned lit Vanenka was 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:15.520 so and and and now Nova Chuck right, the the 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:20.480 nerve agent that is has greatly sickened a number of people, 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:24.120 including a an enemy of the Russian state. So I 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:27.280 have no illusions about how bad the Russians are. Also, 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:29.199 for my time in the CIA, trust me, I am 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:32.200 very aware. A lot of the top people in the agency, 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:34.839 because of the Cold War, because the main adversary was 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:40.319 the Soviet Union, had very colorful thoughts about the Russians, 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:44.880 about the KGB, then the FSB uh and and yeah, 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:47.520 there's a lot of there's a lot of viciousness and 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:51.280 a lot of thuggery that is part of the enterprise 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:56.200 of the state in Russia. But there's one part of 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:57.760 all that. And you know, as you said, you're talking 0:13:57.760 --> 0:13:59.520 about NATO, one part of the in this book that 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:02.360 comes out. I think it's so interesting. It doesn't get 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:06.520 nearly enough attention that Obama didn't want to push the 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:10.960 Magnetski Act. John Kerry didn't want to push the Magnetski Act. 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:16.240 They didn't want to ruffle feathers. Obama wanted the Russian reset. 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:20.840 Obama wanted to play kate the Russians. Obama was caught 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:23.200 on the hot mic saying you know, you know, I 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:26.360 will I'll have more flexibility at the next election. And 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:30.920 then you know, uh Medvedev was like, remember all that. 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:35.800 I mean, we you've had nothing with Trump that's in 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:42.440 the same universe of appeasement like that. You know, once 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:44.920 I basically what Obama said was, once I fool the 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:48.200 American people one more time into thinking that, you know, 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:49.920 I'll do something that I won't do with you guys, 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:54.920 then then you know we can actually really talk Hillary 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:57.920 Clinton with a stupid reset button. Obama then carry they 0:14:57.920 --> 0:14:59.920 didn't even want to push the Magnetski Act after Sarage 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.680 Madnisky rotted and then was murdered in a prison cell. 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:06.600 International news story. A lot of people knew about it, 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:09.920 they didn't really care because they thought they had more important, 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:13.280 better things to focus on and to do. John Kerry 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:16.800 tried to stop the Magnetski Act. Barack Obama his administration 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:20.120 tried to stop the Magnetski Act. They were soft on 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:26.080 Russia because they were soft on everybody because their foreign 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:30.000 policy was weak. So and I don't need all the 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:33.240 former Obama types, all the former you know Obama officials. 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:37.400 Two lecture us on foreign policy. And I also don't 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:39.400 need the Bush people, thanks for the wars that you 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:41.760 know never end. Push folks, I don't really need them either, 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:43.080 to be telling all the rest of us how this 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:44.880 needs to go. I'm gonna get more in this specifics 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:47.120 and NATO here in just a moment, and you'll probably 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:49.840 hear you talk more about Red Notice another time. Excellent 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:53.760 book though highly highly recommend and I think you'll all 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:55.240 be very glad if you pick up a copy and 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:58.560 check it out for yourself. Eight four four n eight 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:03.240 to five eight four four we'll talk more about this 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:12.800 whole NATO Kerfoffel coming up. There's no question that he 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:16.400 was beating up on on the end Stoltenberg in a 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:19.200 deliberate way. He was playing to the camera and he 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:20.920 knew what he was doing. And I can only think 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:24.000 that he was setting on a trajectory that we're going 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:27.280 to see throughout this meeting in Brussels, and it's only 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:30.200 going to, you know, further sour his welcome in the 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:32.960 UK for the next leg of his trip. So I 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:35.840 think he is determined to blow up an alliance that 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:40.560 has America created, as you have pointed out there at 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:45.480 the creation Uh, we are now witnessing what could be 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:48.600 the destruction just the coolest spade to spade. The President 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:51.080 says it's unfair to the US and to the taxpayers. 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:54.480 But NATO's budget is determined on the size of each 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:57.600 individual economy. That's why the US spends more. The US 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:00.680 wants to spend more of domestic g EP on its 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:04.520 own military. Europe thought that Europe was safe after the 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:08.320 collapse of the Soviet Union. It was after Russia changed 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:10.200 the rules of the game that they realized they had 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:14.200 to spend more. And yes, Saltenburg told President Trump that 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:17.600 that's exactly what I've been doing. So not that it matters, 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:20.280 I guess to CNN, but I'm a poor is wrong there. 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:25.960 The the the budget is is by percentage of of 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:30.000 g d P, so each state there has to is 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:34.480 supposed to meet two of their gross domestic product. Uh. 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:38.159 And the NATO estimate is that about fifteen members a 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:40.680 little over half of the twenty nine total members. Remember 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:44.639 we got Montenegro in there. Oh uh, we'll actually meet that. 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:47.440 But it's more than just the money. Of the money 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:51.119 is important, it's about the mentality. The mentality being that 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:55.800 these Russian I mean, these European states have this idea 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:58.639 that they get to spend all this stuff on their 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:01.080 social welfare programs, and then they get to kind of 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:04.960 thumb their noses that America knowing that we are the big, 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:08.000 benevolent brother across the ocean that will come save their 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:11.720 butts when need be, because we've done it before a 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:16.360 couple of times. Actually, And by the way, Andrea Mitchell's 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:19.399 comment about blowing up the alliance, does anybody want to 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:23.320 place a bet about whether there'll be any significant change 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:25.720 to the NATO alliance because of what Trump is doing 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:29.320 right now? I would. I would place a large bet 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:34.200 if I could. The only change is that we've already 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:37.159 gotten a change, which is that NATO has pledged because 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:42.000 of the tough talk from Trump, NATO has pledged to 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:48.239 boost their spending. Well, gee whiz, isn't that something of 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:51.560 a of a massive surprise, right? I Mean, Trump is 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:54.720 over there, he's saying enough is enough. But you see, 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:57.280 here's one of the reasons why Trump has the freedom 0:18:57.280 --> 0:19:02.080 of action here to actually do something. Most presidents, really, 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:06.439 all presidents in the post Soviet era, have advisors around 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:10.239 them and have a media complex that is on the 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:12.439 same sheet of music when it comes to NATO. NATO 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:17.159 has established the greatest period of global security and it 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:20.440 is amazing. Trump shows up and he he doesn't care 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:24.959 what people think about the consensus, the conventional wisdom. He 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:27.320 wants to know what are we doing and what are 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:30.000 we getting out of this? Is this worthwhile? Is this 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:34.320 something we should do? It's oddly enough for so many people, 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:38.480 an intellectually more honest way to approach an issue like this, 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:43.200 what's really going on with NATO. But the other part 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:45.160 of this, too is that the left, they don't really 0:19:45.280 --> 0:20:03.240 care about NATO. He's holding the line for America. Buck 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:13.760 Sexton his back. Germany is a rich country. They talked 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:18.880 about they can increase it is tig e bien by well, 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:23.320 they could increase it immediately tomorrow and have no problem. 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:25.359 I don't think it's fair to the United States. So 0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:28.280 we're gonna have to do something because we're not gonna 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:29.919 put up with it. We can't put up with it, 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:33.280 and it's inappropriate. I think it's very unfair to our country. 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:36.600 It's very unfair to our taxpayer, and I think that 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:38.639 these countries have to step it up. Not over a 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:41.120 ten year period have to step it up immediately. Let's 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:43.800 a very small amount of money relative to what they 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:47.280 owe and to what they should be paying, and it's 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:50.360 an unfair burden of the United States. So we're here 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:53.040 to talk about that, and I'm sure it will be resolved. 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:56.120 We all agree that you have to do more. Law 0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:59.520 scale was the biggest thing to in defense spending inclse 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:03.040 youfin on the in the generation? Why was that last year? 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:06.560 It's also your leadership to be close to a message 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:10.040 on on hey Wall, right that I've sent it to 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:12.760 fort This has gotten in decades, by the way, this 0:21:12.800 --> 0:21:16.200 has gotten from many presidents, but no other president brought 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:23.560 it up like I bring it up. Trade, NATO, ally, spending, immigration. 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:26.800 These are issues where we have been told one thing 0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:31.479 for decades, and that thing we've been told is at 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:36.320 least partially untrue, in some cases largely untrue. All Right, 0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:38.879 That that that we can't just have a more honest 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:43.879 discussion about all of this is to our detriment until 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:46.080 Trump came along, and now we can finally talk about it. 0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:48.280 You know, you see a lot of people go, oh 0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:51.680 my gosh, he's he's being so mean. He's saying this 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:55.720 stuff about how Germany gets. Yeah, Germany gets about thirty 0:21:56.240 --> 0:22:00.360 of its natural gas, primarily used for heating. It gets 0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:04.480 its natural gas from Russia from Russian pipelines, and the Russians, 0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:07.800 by the way, are not unwilling to shut down those 0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:11.359 pipelines occasionally to kind of show people whose boss. And 0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:14.680 from what I understand, it's very cold and Dusseldorf in 0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:19.560 like January. So yeah, there is a real connection there. 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:23.840 There's Russian influence. Russia is going to have influence, particularly 0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:28.040 in former Soviet states that is difficult for us to 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:31.080 counter on a cultural level. I'm not saying it's I 0:22:31.119 --> 0:22:33.240 possible to saying that there there's gonna have there's gonna 0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:35.320 be influence. I mean there are countries like Latvia where 0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:41.879 there are Russian, large numbers of Russian speakers, and you know, 0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:46.520 I think what you're seeing happening here is the the 0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:51.000 final recognition from a lot of people who have been 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:55.119 criticizing Trump about NATO along that he's right. Stoldenberg said it. 0:22:55.200 --> 0:22:58.320 He's like, yeah, we're spending more Monday because of you. Like, yeah, 0:22:58.359 --> 0:23:01.159 that's right, you guys need to spend more money. It's 0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:04.040 it's also a question of put your money where your 0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:09.159 mouth is, have more skin in the game. The European 0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:12.480 states spending more on their own defense makes them think 0:23:12.600 --> 0:23:16.320 differently about their foreign policy, makes them think differently about 0:23:16.440 --> 0:23:22.159 there uh, their expenditures across the board. And there is 0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:27.200 no reason why we should be in a position to 0:23:27.359 --> 0:23:29.720 think that if something were to go really bad in 0:23:29.840 --> 0:23:32.399 Europe with the Russia visa, be the Russians, that it 0:23:32.440 --> 0:23:34.840 would fall on us to really counter the Germany is 0:23:34.920 --> 0:23:40.760 an industrial powerhouse, huge population, very wealthy. I know some 0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:42.879 people get a little nervous about the Germans, you know, 0:23:43.000 --> 0:23:45.720 building up their military for obvious reasons, right, history and 0:23:45.760 --> 0:23:49.199 all that. But you know this, this is the kind 0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:53.600 of conversation that can actually move the needle. Senator Barosso, 0:23:53.640 --> 0:23:55.640 by the way, spoke about this issue of German energy. 0:23:55.720 --> 0:24:00.960 He's totally correct. Place seven. The President is unique and 0:24:01.119 --> 0:24:04.280 unconventional in his approach, but he is absolutely right in 0:24:04.400 --> 0:24:07.479 what he is saying. You know, Germany decided to get 0:24:07.600 --> 0:24:09.879 rid of all its nuclear power plants and as a 0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:13.600 result became more dependent on Russia for energy, and energy 0:24:13.760 --> 0:24:17.000 is called the master resource for a reason. It powers 0:24:17.040 --> 0:24:20.119 economies at powers countries. It is a forced multiplier. It 0:24:20.240 --> 0:24:22.960 is an instrument of power, and when Germany is more 0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:26.720 dependent on Russia for energy, that gives Russia that much 0:24:26.800 --> 0:24:30.560 more power over Germany and over the European Union as well. 0:24:31.840 --> 0:24:35.920