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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to stuff

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Speaker 2: iHeartRadio And for this month, although we kind of already

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Speaker 2: had a movie that we talked about, it wasn't necessarily

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Speaker 2: the feature we were going to do for this month,

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Speaker 2: but it was still fun because ten Things I Hate

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Speaker 2: about You, I heart it. But we are switching it

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Speaker 2: up for a spoiler Saturday or Saturday spoiler of a

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Speaker 2: recently acclaimed twenty twenty three movie, Past Lives. So if

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Speaker 2: you haven't watched it and you don't want to know

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Speaker 2: about it, pause here and I think it is I

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Speaker 2: know streaming currently on Paramount Plus, not a sponsor right now,

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Speaker 2: who knows? And I go and watch it because it

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Speaker 2: is a really good movie. It was written and directed

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Speaker 2: by Selene Song and this movie was her feature directorial

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Speaker 2: debut and has amassed a lot of praise for its

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Speaker 2: unique but normalized I guess take of a love triangle

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Speaker 2: and childhood First Loves. So a lot of the articles

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Speaker 2: you might have seen where she's talking about it was

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Speaker 2: this idea that she wanted to take a love triangle

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Speaker 2: but in a normal context where there's no necessarily good

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Speaker 2: guy or bad guy, and there's no like dramatic fallouts

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Speaker 2: or you know, betrayals, just everyday normal conversations. And of

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Speaker 2: course it's an A twenty four film, so if you

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Speaker 2: know anything about A twenty four yet, no, it's going

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Speaker 2: to have that very like indie style movie. But this

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Speaker 2: movie was nominated for several awards, including the Academy Awards

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Speaker 2: for Best Picture and the Golden Globes, and has been

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Speaker 2: named on several lists for top ten films of twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty three. I think it's out like a ninety to

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Speaker 2: ninety five percent on Rotten Tomatoes. Still, people really really

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Speaker 2: like this film. To me, kind of felt along the

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Speaker 2: lines of Lost in Translation or the eternal sunshine of

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Speaker 2: Spotless Mind, which it does talk about in the movie. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: bet Ubs has that feel like that, almost like you're

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Speaker 2: peering into someone else's private life.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that was one of the things I noted. It's

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Speaker 1: beautifully shot, but there is a lot of imagery of

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Speaker 2: Right? The movie stars Grete Lee as the adult Nora

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Speaker 2: or Neong Moon and Tao You as Heysong, and then

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Speaker 2: to each other. So we're going to go into the plot.

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Speaker 2: But yes, again spoiler, because if we're going to talk

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Speaker 2: feel like it resonates a lot with so many people

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Speaker 2: in different ways. And yes, it is both in Korean

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Speaker 2: this is an American film. This is done by Canadian

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Speaker 2: the director, and it is portrayed by Korean American people

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Speaker 2: that I'm like, oh, this is such a weird dynamic.

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Speaker 2: But I truly appreciated it. So Nay Young and her

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Speaker 2: to twelve years later where Nyang, who now goes by Nora.

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Speaker 2: That's not what he said tells people, of course, but

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Speaker 2: and that's the end. What do you think about the movie, Annie?

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Speaker 1: I really liked it. I as I said, I thought

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Speaker 2: So like he'd asked, you know, she's last saying that

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And they were very she was from the beginning

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Speaker 2: Would you thought about going back with hey Song? Like

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Speaker 2: what would have happened type of conversation? And then like

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Speaker 2: love with him as much as she is in love

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Speaker 2: a jerk. Yeah, but there's nothing for me to say that.

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Speaker 1: essentially I'm insecure, but this is like your childhood friend,

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Speaker 1: please go. Like, I appreciate that they had those conversations,

433
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Speaker 1: and I do think one of the big things about

434
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Speaker 1: this movie is waiting. There's a lot of waiting that

435
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: sometimes works out well and sometimes not badly. But like

436
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Speaker 1: for a high sung like he only said goodbye when

437
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Speaker 1: she left, she didn't say anything. It was a much

438
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Speaker 1: more like waiting to see what the other person would do.

439
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Speaker 1: So I think that's an interesting scene throughout as well,

440
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Speaker 1: of sort of seeing what the other person is going

441
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Speaker 1: to do, right.

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Speaker 2: That definitely was mm hmmm, hey song realizing he has

443
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Speaker 2: to let go. It was kind of one of those

444
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 2: main things where he was leaving. He did an amazing job.

445
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Speaker 2: Two did an amazing job being the awkward visitor, like,

446
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Speaker 2: he did such a good job with this. The original

447
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Speaker 2: actor was going to be Troy who was in Parasite,

448
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 2: so he was the starring Parasite, but I don't know

449
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Speaker 2: what happened. Apparently he was signed on in twenty twenty

450
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Speaker 2: and then Tayo got the role instead, which is interesting

451
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Speaker 2: to me because there's a huge age difference between him

452
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Speaker 2: and Greta Lee, So I was like, that would have

453
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Speaker 2: been but he's actually a Canadian born Korean that moved

454
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Speaker 2: back to South Korea, So I was like, as a

455
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Speaker 2: whole underlying I wonder if it had taken a whole

456
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Speaker 2: different conversation if that had happened. But I think Tayo

457
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Speaker 2: did an amazing job that he really jumped into that

458
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Speaker 2: awkwardness so well, but like still anticipating, he had that

459
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 2: anticipation awkward loving guy like, he did an amazing job

460
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Speaker 2: with that role. And then of course readily in all

461
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Speaker 2: of her greatness, who I loved her. I've loved her

462
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Speaker 2: since I saw her on a New Girl so she

463
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Speaker 2: came in playing a character as Nick's girlfriend and new girl,

464
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Speaker 2: and I was just excited to see an Asian woman

465
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Speaker 2: being seen not as a fetish but just in a

466
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Speaker 2: normal relationship in the story. And I was like, WHOA,

467
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: look at that, what do you unlike supernatural anyway, but

468
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Speaker 2: like but yeah, So I really appreciated seeing her just

469
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Speaker 2: being playing those roles. When she played in Russian Doll,

470
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Speaker 2: I loved her character in that, so seeing her in

471
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Speaker 2: this role just was like amazing, and she did a

472
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Speaker 2: phenomenal job. And because I've only seen her typically in

473
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Speaker 2: like comedies, so seeing her in this role really like

474
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Speaker 2: taking it on and really like understanding that divide, that

475
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Speaker 2: the slash of culture, because I think that's such a

476
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Speaker 2: big conversation that we don't have, especially with API, what

477
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: that looks like and how different it really is, how

478
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Speaker 2: unique that culture is to come into from one culture

479
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 2: but living in another culture, so acclimating to both but

480
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Speaker 2: at the same time not losing either. And she and

481
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Speaker 2: gradually did an amazing job I think, and portraying that

482
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Speaker 2: also knowing that she did a good job in like

483
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Speaker 2: loving both men, like loving them as the two separate people,

484
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Speaker 2: as being Nora as being nay young like she did

485
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Speaker 2: a great job and portraying almost like a split personality

486
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Speaker 2: in the same role. It was beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she did. It was really it was. It

488
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Speaker 1: was fun to see her in those different contexts of

489
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Speaker 1: like you got your relationship that she's pretty much settled

490
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Speaker 1: in and with Arthur and it's happy with but it's

491
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Speaker 1: like settled in. Yeah, and then hy Son comes back

492
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: and you just kind of see this excitement of like

493
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Speaker 1: her so eager to catch up. But it is interesting too,

494
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Speaker 1: the dynamic of when someone who you haven't seen since

495
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Speaker 1: childhood like comes to visit you and maybe they never

496
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Speaker 1: left your hometown or something, and there is a weirdness

497
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: to it where you're like the things you're talking about

498
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: can feel so out of touch for the other person,

499
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Speaker 1: where you're like talking about friends that they don't know,

500
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: or like things that you do that they don't know.

501
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Speaker 1: And she Nora was very much like trying and keep

502
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Speaker 1: it in his realm of you know, really reliving these

503
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Speaker 1: things or stuff like that. But and they did have

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Speaker 1: it was interesting to me that they had some kind

505
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Speaker 1: of like I wouldn't call them tense, but like you

506
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Speaker 1: got married, you were dating someone.

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Speaker 2: And she made you to correct them very quickly. Yes,

508
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Speaker 2: and you got don't play, don't act like I'm the

509
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Speaker 2: only one here, moving on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's almost like they stayed, as we've been saying,

511
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Speaker 1: they kind of stayed in the past, and that's where

512
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Speaker 1: they were really good. But when you come to the

513
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Speaker 1: future to the present, it can be sort of jarring

514
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Speaker 1: to when you realize you've just really went down different paths,

515
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Speaker 1: you've lived different lives.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah. And I think that conversation when we have

517
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Speaker 2: the initial secondary breakup in the harbor of making that point,

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Speaker 2: I'm not coming to Korea anytime soon. You're not coming

519
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Speaker 2: into the US anytime soon. What is this. We're not

520
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Speaker 2: going to bring this together. Neither one of us can

521
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Speaker 2: get to the point of sacrificing our current livelihoods for

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Speaker 2: the other. So what you know, like this is not feasible.

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Speaker 1: Right yeah, Yeah, And as you said, she was the one, which,

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Speaker 1: by the way, they were using Skype, Samantha.

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Speaker 2: That was also twenty ten.

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Speaker 1: I don't care.

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Speaker 2: Two. Skype was the only thing that existed at that point, man, I.

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Speaker 1: Don't care at all. When she Nora was like, we

529
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Speaker 1: have to take a we have to take a break.

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Speaker 1: It was kind of interesting because they weren't in a

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Speaker 1: relationship in any way really, but they just had this

532
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Speaker 1: like chemistry and it was so exciting and they were

533
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Speaker 1: talking to each other all the time. But yeah, she

534
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Speaker 1: brought up that and was like, when is it gonna

535
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Speaker 1: be we're gonna see each other. It's not gonna work

536
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: out some years, right, if at all. So I need

537
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: to go focus. I need to go back and focus

538
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Speaker 1: on what I'm doing here. I thought that was really

539
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Speaker 1: interesting that they had kind of a like non breakup

540
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: breaking right, it's p a hole, right.

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Speaker 2: It was causing too much confusion, like she and she

542
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 2: said that. She was like, I'm looking up flights and

543
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 2: wanting to be there, but I can't be there, Like

544
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: this is not working because I have to be present here. Yeah,

545
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 2: and I can't sacrifice, and you can't sacrifice for us

546
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 2: to be together. So and yeah, you're right. They never

547
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 2: really have breakups. They just say bye. They give the

548
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Speaker 2: Irish goodbye is what I like to call it.

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Speaker 1: The Irish listeners are furiously now.

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Speaker 2: I have a feeling a lot of the Irish people

551
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 2: are like, yeah, I just leave. I don't want to

552
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 2: talk to you.

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00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: Hey, that's one way to do it, for sure.

554
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna slip away or ghosting, but they didn't

555
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 2: ghost because she actually talked about it. But yeah, I

556
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 2: think it's it's obviously coming to the end, and that's

557
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 2: every point. And then that final end I think was

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00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 2: the closure. Like they may speak every now and again,

559
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 2: but it's not going to be with any Yeah, question

560
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: marks unless one of them gets, unless she gets divorced

561
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: and he doesn't get. That's the sequel. Yeah, that's the

562
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 2: next one, past live to we do what might have been?

563
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: They could just do like a thing and where they

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Speaker 2: have a parallel world and then we'll do that view.

565
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 2: Because I was like, you know, this is reminiscent to

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Speaker 2: that which the Nail brothers did talk about that and

567
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 2: love this movie without the fantastical part. Is that reality part?

568
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Speaker 1: I thought that too, because you know, you see the

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Speaker 1: main characters in that movie talking about divorce and seeing

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Speaker 1: all the past they could have gone down, right, the

571
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Speaker 1: one where Michelle Yo like stays and becomes a movie

572
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: star action star, right, and they meet back up and

573
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: they are talking about what could have been, which is

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Speaker 1: the reality of the movie. We're watching but yeah, I

575
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Speaker 1: definitely was like this it's got this similarity.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I also liked that the emotional scenes to me

577
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 2: wasn't emotional as emotional so the people like the rock scene,

578
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: everybody really really lost it, and I was like, it's cute, though,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I really loved it. I was like, I

580
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 2: don't know, if it's that emotion, I get it. Maybe

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Speaker 2: I just don't have the depth to this, so it's

582
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 2: just the same way some of the things in the past.

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00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 2: LOT was like, I get it, it's it's like melancholy,

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Speaker 2: but it's not mournful to me. Like those are two

585
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 2: different conversations. But yeah, and I have to throw out

586
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Speaker 2: because I did talk about Gridley being in all the comedies.

587
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 2: She was also in What We Do in the Shadows

588
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 2: as well, and she was phenomenal that This is why

589
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 2: I say, like, I just know her for the comedy,

590
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 2: so seeing her really be at the forefront of this

591
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 2: was beautiful. I hope we have more movies like this,

592
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 2: and I really love that that that Korean films and

593
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 2: foreign films are coming out. I love that Asian films

594
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: are coming out. You see Monkey Man that has nothing

595
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 2: to do with feminism, necessarily but does from what I understand.

596
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: But I love seeing like Eastern films come into light

597
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 2: and getting accolades throughout different cultures. Because the US is

598
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 2: such a diverse population, it should it should be reminiscent

599
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 2: to all of this. So being able to watch different

600
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 2: levels cultures is so important. So things like everything everywhere

601
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 2: all at once, Things like Minari, which I haven't watched

602
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 2: because I think that's gonna be too sad for me.

603
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: I gotta get into that, but I'm like, I don't

604
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 2: know if already, Things like Past Lives, you know, when

605
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: we talked about films like Bended, like Beckham White was

606
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 2: important for what it was like, It's a silly, fun film,

607
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 2: but it's culturally impactful. And seeing things like that is

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00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 2: so impactful because this is the same thing with Past Lives.

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Speaker 2: There's no big, like political statement here. It's just about

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Speaker 2: a different cultural life but mixing with what we do,

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00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 2: what we are familiar with. So we have the New

612
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: York scene, but we have a different cultural aspect to

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00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 2: this conversation. And I think that's what I love about

614
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,479
Speaker 2: this film is that, yes, it's relatable in so many

615
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: ways for so many different groups of people. And we

616
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 2: have to have the conversation what it looks like for immigration,

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00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 2: and we talk about the and this is the whole

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00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 2: Koreans believing coming into North America, whether it's Canada or

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Speaker 2: to the US, it's going to give you more opportunities.

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Speaker 2: And they say that at the very beginning, because that

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00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 2: was that ideal that we come through and find better

622
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 2: and bigger opportunities here in the US or in Canada,

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Speaker 2: as this was based. And Selene's song really putting some

624
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 2: depth to that and personality to that conversation.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, huh, yeah, highly recommend it. As you say,

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00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 1: I found it more melancholy and then sad, but it

627
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: was also just relatable. I think we all have those

628
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: feelings of what could have been.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think about that often, like cool,

630
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 2: what have happened if I didn't get adopted? I define

631
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 2: wouldn't be here?

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Speaker 1: Right, I mean I think we all I don't think

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Speaker 1: we all think about those things. So highly recommend listeners.

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