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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome from another episode of The Hunting Collective.

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Speaker 1: I'm Ben O'Brien and today I'm joined by a very special,

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Speaker 1: really a very badass individual. His name is Brad and

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Speaker 1: Brad was a part of um a bear attack on

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Speaker 1: a falk Neck island. He is been willing to give

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Speaker 1: us here at the unt Collective the exclusive story of

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Speaker 1: this attack. It wasn't only just an attack, it was

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Speaker 1: a maeling. He sustained some very minor but also some

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Speaker 1: very serious injuries along the way of this attack. He

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Speaker 1: was hunting elk with somebody's there and UM, just an

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Speaker 1: amazing story unfolded. You'all be you'll you'll know a fog

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Speaker 1: Neck Island from Dmitri podcast from From the Meat Eater

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Speaker 1: with Steve Rinella, Remy Warren, Be Honest, Pitelis and others.

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Speaker 1: A fog Neck Island has become a place where bare

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Speaker 1: attacks in the news are are fairly frequent. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you don't know about a falk Kneck Island, it's

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Speaker 1: It's in the Kodiak Island Archipelago on Coastal and Coastal Alaska.

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Speaker 1: It's about twenty miles long and forty miles wide. There's

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Speaker 1: just about thirty nine people that lived there. Who knows

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Speaker 1: if that's even if that's even the right number. It's

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Speaker 1: not a lot. Um. There's no roads, there's no stores.

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Speaker 1: There's just herds of Roosevelt elk and hundreds of Kodiak

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Speaker 1: brown bears, which are uh it's one of the largest

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Speaker 1: bears in the world. They could be up to thirteen

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Speaker 1: hundred pounds their giant um you know, on the elk,

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Speaker 1: the out there Roosevelt elk, and they were they were

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Speaker 1: transplanted from the Olympic Peninsula of Washington State and in

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Speaker 1: the late nineteen twenties and a lot of guys love

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Speaker 1: to go hunt them, as did Brad and his four friends,

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Speaker 1: but one ensued. It was one of the craziest stories

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Speaker 1: you'll ever hear. And it's exclusive to this podcast, so

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Speaker 1: please listen, enjoy, and learn from Brad and his bear

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Speaker 1: attack on the Brad. What's up? Man? As much? Man,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me here, Thanks for having me Sunny, Sunny, Sunny,

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Speaker 1: San Diego. You got it. Um, there's lots to talk about, obviously,

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Speaker 1: but um, first things first, when you know, we get

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Speaker 1: into situation where I need it, this is this is

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Speaker 1: the story. People are coming for the story, right, They're

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Speaker 1: coming for the bear attacks story, of course. But we're

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Speaker 1: gonna make him wait a minute. We're gonna make him dispense,

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Speaker 1: give him a little bit suspense. Um, you know, I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about Kodiak and a fog neck islands.

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Speaker 1: Um in the environment there first, because you spent some

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Speaker 1: time around bears prior to been there for two and

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Speaker 1: a half years now, So tell me about, um, your

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Speaker 1: time in Kodiak and you know your experience of bears

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Speaker 1: or what kind of place it is, sure sure well

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Speaker 1: first and foremost like the bear populations insane there. So

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Speaker 1: it's it's the common occurrence of seeing bears. There's nothing

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Speaker 1: short from what I'm used to. You know, my drive

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Speaker 1: to work, I see a bear like pretty much every day.

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Speaker 1: So let's back that up. If I drive to work

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Speaker 1: pretty much the bear pretty much. No. Uh So I

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Speaker 1: live out and what's called the flats there's section Kodiak

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Speaker 1: off and most people don't realize, but Kodiak is a

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Speaker 1: huge island. It's actually second biggest in the US, I think,

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Speaker 1: next to the big on Hawaii. But it's huge, but

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Speaker 1: only like a ten percent of it. People actually live on.

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Speaker 1: There's just the top right corner and that's where people live.

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Speaker 1: And then that's it, and then there's like a few

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Speaker 1: outlying a little like Port Towns type deal. But I

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Speaker 1: think it's sixty seven miles of paved road. That's it.

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Speaker 1: That's about as far as you can drive and go.

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Speaker 1: I'm flowing over in the plains a couple of times

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Speaker 1: and you're like, well, that's yeah, exactly so, and I

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Speaker 1: know you're aware of this, but just for you know,

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Speaker 1: for the people listening straight, it's section off basically to

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Speaker 1: the main part of town. And then you've got the

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Speaker 1: flats and everybody out there is called flat rats, and

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Speaker 1: that makes me a flat rat. So there a little

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Speaker 1: just get named by where they feed on the rivers

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Speaker 1: down there, and there's just ample amounts of salmon the river,

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Speaker 1: you know, going everywhere. But Sergeant's Creek is one of

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Speaker 1: You gotta be kidding me. And uh, fortunately, you know,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't intact mood or anything startled it off. It

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Speaker 1: There was some trash there for sure, like that's all

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Speaker 1: um uh right along those lines too, you know, after

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Speaker 1: unfortunately that I haven't been aggressive, but just like I

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Speaker 1: And I would say that's the difference is their city bears,

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Speaker 1: And there's a lot of companies that run bear tours

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Speaker 1: And it's just it's it's the most interesting part about

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Speaker 1: That's what I mean. I mean, like, and I grew

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Speaker 1: first first deer kill. But it always just crapped me up.

424
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, it is just the worst deer kill that

425
00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,399
Speaker 1: you could fussily imagine. I didn't do any work. Whoever

426
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 1: out I tapped out, get out of the truck. You

427
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,879
Speaker 1: could have fallen over, like you were a safe. It

428
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 1: was just about on pars what we call heat or

429
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 1: hunting up there where people are just driving so you know,

430
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 1: just you know, scouting glass in the fields, like what

431
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 1: if anything is in the field after, you know, while

432
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 1: I'm eating his donut. You know, my father hated that.

433
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 1: He's like, no, those guys don't pay for it. No.

434
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 1: One time I was in Saskatchewan hunt and they were like, here,

435
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,120
Speaker 1: what something call though? What's the thing called heater body suit?

436
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 1: They were like, put this on. It was like negative twenty,

437
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,200
Speaker 1: like you're talking about. And I was like, okay, well

438
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:38,879
Speaker 1: you know what is it. It's like kind of like

439
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,879
Speaker 1: a sleeping bag. It's got heaters inside it, and so

440
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,159
Speaker 1: you sit there, you're totally comfortable. So I get up

441
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 1: in this tree, stand, put on this little sleeping bag

442
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 1: and turn it on, and I'm asleep in five minutes.

443
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 1: Of course, I'm as sleep at five minutes. I mean

444
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 1: I heated sleeping bag and I slept for like three

445
00:22:55,880 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 1: hours working to get out of the tree. But but yes,

446
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: I grew up much the same way. And so and

447
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 1: the first year that I were killed, first year I

448
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: was shot at fact, I just skinned her. I remember

449
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,919
Speaker 1: my my dad put shooting sticks on the ground. I

450
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 1: put a rifle down. He's like, she's right there, she's

451
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,959
Speaker 1: fifty yards away. Like I don't I don't got it, man,

452
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do. I think I see

453
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 1: the sky, but I'm not sure. And eventually popped a

454
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 1: shot and skinner right shoulder. But yeah, I wish I

455
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,959
Speaker 1: had one laying down that great, yeah, exactly, Like it

456
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 1: was easy killing there, but it was simpler that those

457
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 1: times are simpler, you know, like that he weren't worried

458
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: about how big it saidlers were or old spikeline. Yeah,

459
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: I didn't need anything then you were just meat on

460
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 1: the table. Yeah, first year kills the simplest form of

461
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 1: hunting because it's just there's a deer, and I everything

462
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,679
Speaker 1: that goes into the actual killing of the deer is

463
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: more important than the deer at that point, like getting

464
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: your cross airs on it, exactly, hecty. I think the

465
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,880
Speaker 1: third line got was dough you know, the first time

466
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: I got my my dope because you gotta get a

467
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 1: permit to get dose up up there and yeah, well

468
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: I got it. But you guys do a lot of

469
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 1: venicity eating growing up. Yeah, Yeah, for sure. I'm always

470
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 1: interested to ask, like how how it was cooked up,

471
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: because there's always this like my dad cooked everything. Yeah no, no,

472
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: I totally hear you. And it's funny because I've played

473
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 1: around with like all kinds of different stuff and I

474
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 1: really get into the cooking thing now, especially since all

475
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 1: I do is eat game. Now. I don't even go

476
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 1: to the grocery strud not for meat anyway, Like protein

477
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 1: is halbot salmon, I'll go, dear, you know that's that's

478
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 1: the freezer. You know, Phil it up and just changed

479
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: it up every day. But no, I grew up with

480
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 1: uh yeah, a lot of venison, um moose on a

481
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,719
Speaker 1: few occasions, caribou. My father went up to Canada and

482
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 1: got some caribou at one point in time. Uh what else?

483
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 1: We did have the black bear? When you got a

484
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: black bearer at one time and eat, you know, country

485
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 1: to belief, it's not that great eating, but you can't

486
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 1: eat black bears like it's it's reasonable. And but his

487
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: way was just straight up. It's like pan seared with butter,

488
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: salt and pepper, and it's like that's it. And I

489
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 1: was like, you know who put that cookbook out? Because

490
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: it's not bad. I mean my like this last Thanksgiving,

491
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: my dad tried up some tender learn I'm like, this

492
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: tastes like my childhood and it's good. It's good. It's

493
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: not good for you, but good. There must have been

494
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: just a cookbook where somebody wrote like this is like

495
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: three page cookbook and the first page said butter, the

496
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,479
Speaker 1: second page said salt, on the last page said pepper,

497
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: and that was it. And seen it was like, that's

498
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 1: what that's what my dad did. So I was wondering

499
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: just being a couple of like generally East Coast kids,

500
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 1: that that's what. Oh, that's that's that's definitely what it was.

501
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 1: And I found my own ways of you know, what

502
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 1: I prefer, and I don't mind it that way at all,

503
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: but it always did crack gap saying no, that's all

504
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: I want. And I'm like, well, it's kind of no wonder.

505
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: My mom, you know, never really liked eating Man. She

506
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: really didn't. She never liked it. She didn't like the

507
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: gaming flavor. And I was like, well, that's because Pop's

508
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: never prepared it any better way, like the kind of

509
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: your flavorings. What if I put, uh differ kind of butter. Yeah,

510
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: you know, get some fancy spices or some ball son

511
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 1: like Connor, you know, marinate it, you know, yes, something. Yeah.

512
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's funny that that generational change. I mean,

513
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: it really is. It's something that I've experienced with my dad.

514
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: My dad. I love my dad to death, and and um,

515
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: there was just a different way, just a different way

516
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: to treat treat the hunting and the meat, which I

517
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: feel like the hunting parts almost more simple, you know,

518
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: it's a simpler effort than some of the things we

519
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: do today. But surely, um the meat still had reverence,

520
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 1: but it just didn't have the same There wasn't you know,

521
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: there's no fine point on how to on how to

522
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: prepare it. It was for sure, what do you you

523
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 1: want to stew or I'll pry it up. That's it.

524
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 1: That's all we got. Yeah, it wasn't any other differences

525
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: in no other way. And I think part of that

526
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: was because my mom didn't need it, so he didn't

527
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 1: really make it anything. He's like, I'm gonna I like it.

528
00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: So but you know, my uh my pops, you know,

529
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: they're pretty poor grown up, especially when the kids. So

530
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: the deer was just all about, you know, just getting

531
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: food and meeting the freezer, feeding the kids. Like That's

532
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 1: how it was. Even from my bay when he would

533
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: uh go and get the deer, and he was all

534
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: about eating like whatever extra parts and organs and everything else.

535
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: Loved the heart. Heart was his favorite. Yeah, I still

536
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: love the heart myself, and and liver as well, and

537
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: even with the deer that I just killed a h

538
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: on opening season and Kodiak like that was the first

539
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: thing I did, is like all those organ meats and everything,

540
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: and just like I stewed him up and now they're

541
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: you know, they're frozen. I was waiting for, you know,

542
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: the little colder because it was you know warm for Kodiac.

543
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: It was like you know there, yeah, exactly, So in

544
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: my mind I was just thinking, yeah, okay, too warm. Nope,

545
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: I gotta wait for the nice cold, deep heart of

546
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 1: winter and break that stuff out and yeah, delicious, you

547
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: know it transporting back to the Cody Act across the world,

548
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,239
Speaker 1: basically across the country for sure. Yeah, yeah, as far

549
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: as you can go. Time I've spent time in a

550
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: coastal in a coastal Alaska environment, of any Prince of

551
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: Wales comes to mind, you know, Kodiak comes to mind.

552
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: Of course, the falcon that comes to mind. I always

553
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 1: come away thinking this is a rich place, like this

554
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 1: is game rich, wildlife rich. I mean, Prince of Wales

555
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: is just jaw dropping with with what you see and

556
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: experience there from wildlife perspective. But so is Kodiak. Um.

557
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: But the second thing I think is what a harsh,

558
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: harsh environment. Um, and that's you know, I would I

559
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: would say the starkness of that relationship, and in most

560
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: of the coastal Alaska is what draws me to it.

561
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure what draws you to it. I mean, you

562
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: can have just amazing When we went to Kodiak with coal,

563
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: I mean, it was bald eagles and blacktail deer and

564
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: silver foxes, and I mean it's just it's it's a

565
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: rich place. But then the river froze and we were

566
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: struggling to get home, so turned a little harsh. Yeah. Um,

567
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: has that been your experience kind of going through the

568
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: seasons on Kodiak. Yeah, there's a lot of similarities to me.

569
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: That's kind of what drove me there in in the

570
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: first place. But Kodiak doesn't really have that that full

571
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: fourth season kind of effect. It's more of winter and

572
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: then summer. The shoulder seasons are just kind of mixed in,

573
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: and the summer there isn't really warm. You know, it's

574
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: just those long days because being close to the you know,

575
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: the Arctic circling up north the poles, you get those

576
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: really really long daylight hours and then they're really really long,

577
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: uh well, dark hours, I guess lack of lack of

578
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: daylight hours. And the harshness is definitely like the driving

579
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,959
Speaker 1: point and in me being there and really testing the limits.

580
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: And it's even in May never grew I never really

581
00:29:55,120 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: grew up with the the harsh range you get there.

582
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: I say, the rain is like almost the worst. And

583
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: I've never been at Washington Seattle like that kind of

584
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: climate where you just hear about it raining all the time.

585
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: But I swear to God, it will get below thirty

586
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: two degrees in Kodiak and it will still be raining somehow.

587
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: And it's the harshest thing that you ever have to

588
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: deal with. Is especially like out hunting or doing anything

589
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: in in the woods, is be on the kid through

590
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: that because it's just like, how is this even possible?

591
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: And you're just you can't stay dry, It's almost impossible.

592
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: I've tried so many different types of clothing and gear

593
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: and and and you know, that's what I really enjoy

594
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: doing anyway, And man, is it wild being out there.

595
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: And then you just get hit with these you know,

596
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: maritime winds, and it's that really salty air and it's

597
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: just corrods and and crushes everything. They don't even salt

598
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: the roads, but your vehicle has got like a ticking

599
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: time bomb. You know that salty air is gonna, you know,

600
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,719
Speaker 1: do its own damage. But it is. It's a very

601
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: very unique place and the same that you see with

602
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: a snowpack. There, um do a lot of snow work

603
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: and travel, and uh, that maritime snowpack is just you

604
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: might have like a a good day of powder when

605
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: it's like initial and then it just turns the ice

606
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: just this solid crust of ice and um and guys

607
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: get their experience that even if they don't go out

608
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: and hunt really quick as you're familiar with, and and

609
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: flying in and out of coach because it's it's its

610
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: own beasts and you're just you're gonna expect if you're there,

611
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: you will get a delayed flight or canceled flight. Oh

612
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: and bless the pilots that live on Codia. These are

613
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: insane human beings. These people, Yeah, they're they're the most skilled.

614
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: But also I've never met one that wasn't just I mean,

615
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: i'mous crazy. Yeah, I gotta a few of them I met.

616
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: I won't name a name, but one time they uh

617
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: landed us in the lagoon drop us off on the beach,

618
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: had to go hike up after blacktail deer. And we

619
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: landed and kind of tax it up to the to

620
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: the beach there and before we could even get our

621
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: packs or anything out of the out of the plane are,

622
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: our pilot was running up a hill with a pistol

623
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: with like a ten mill chasing a black tail around

624
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: on the beach. Of course he was he was like, hey,

625
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: hold the line, hold the plane here, I gotta I'll

626
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: be back. You think, run up there, like that's about

627
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: far for this course. That sounds the screws are some

628
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: of the screws are a little bit loose. Oh yeah, no,

629
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: And that's that's exactly how you'll just see it happened.

630
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: Like later on in the season. A lot of people

631
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: who really enjoy the hunting and kind of the whole experience,

632
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: you know, going out and trying to find a deer. Ah,

633
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: we'll go out and just brave it and get through

634
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: just the ship terrain that involves. And the terrain is

635
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: hands down the worst part. You have the drain and

636
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: the weather, and really only in Kodiak can you find

637
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,959
Speaker 1: such extremes to have the salt water right there coastline

638
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: and then it just it just explodes up and it

639
00:32:55,560 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: is extremely extremely steep alpine climates and yeah below the

640
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: alpine climates are like hummocks that you can barely walk

641
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: on when it can and uh as I we talked

642
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: about earlier than my opening uh day hunt and the

643
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: vegetation there's just like jungle like there's certain parts if

644
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: you're not going to the right place, like it's impassable.

645
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: It really is, especially getting a steep train and you

646
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: can't even your body will not push any further, like

647
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: through the uh salmon berries, you know, glorified uh thorn

648
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: bushes you know up there that just like tear you

649
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: up and getting through that's just insane. But the other

650
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,239
Speaker 1: uh ironic part there that most people aren't aware of

651
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: is that unlike Colorado spent a lot of time there,

652
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: the alpine there is usually like eleven thousand feet give

653
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: or take, and in Codiac's eleven feet and that can

654
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: be a blessing and a curse. Like it's a good thing.

655
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: It's like, obviously you're not fighting altitude or anything like

656
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: that high up, it's it doesn't it doesn't affect you. However,

657
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: it's just just shows you that extreme either change that

658
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: just happens in such a short amount of time where

659
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: you're just going from sea level to eleven feet and

660
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: you're just going to be in it like ridiculously high winds,

661
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: like getting blown over. Yeah. I mean in general, that's

662
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: not that far up, not at all. You know, you

663
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: can do two thousand feet in some place in New

664
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: Zealand and other places that it's not really you know,

665
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 1: not really that harsh. Yeah, But on Kodiak it's different.

666
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: It's it's insane and the So another funny story here.

667
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: The the day that I showed up in Kodiak, you know,

668
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: I kind of went right in. It got with you know,

669
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: some friends that already dow they were there and I

670
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 1: want to go out and spend some time overnight, uh

671
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: in the field. And it was right around hunting time again,

672
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: hunting season. I got it there in like late July

673
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: and hunting season open on August one, and I was

674
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: really really motivated and like, okay, I don't know this

675
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: are at all. I was talking to some guys like okay,

676
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: where do I go? So they're kind of pointing me

677
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: in this direction, like hey, go go this right out

678
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 1: and and I'd never experienced the same type of jungle

679
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: ship show as I did uh in Kodiak, and I

680
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: swear to god, I was going out the night before.

681
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I'm gonna go out, bivvy out

682
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: overnight and hunt the following morning, you know, break it down,

683
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: like be upgrady to go. I had a good place

684
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: in mind, like took my maps and everything, and of

685
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: course I wasn't to wear bears at this time or

686
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: either I knew sneer they were there and went out

687
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: and I thought it was a prank. I thought the

688
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: guys are just like they're pulling my chain. They have

689
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: them and over on me, and I was just pissed

690
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: the entire time. I'm like, how do you get through this?

691
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: And like there's no way. They were saying, there's no

692
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: way I can get all the way up there, and

693
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: like in this it was just horrible. They call that,

694
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: they call it the gar hole. I'm like, and they

695
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: actually really meant it. But there was just like I

696
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: really got a full appreciation of deer paths there and

697
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: understanding it's like, Okay, there's definitely a level of suck

698
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: that you're gonna have to put yourself through, but I

699
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: was still experience gonna you know, or of the false

700
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: presumption that I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna go through and

701
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: find a place that just like opens up and I

702
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: can walk in like a origin line or something, and

703
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: it's like it never did. They're like, no, this this

704
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: dear path, like if you step one step sideways, like

705
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: you're off it and you'll never find it again. And

706
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 1: it's it's just one of those brutal quick learning experiences. Yes, yes,

707
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: And I think maybe the Kodiak Island Tourism Board might

708
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: not like this podcast. Yeah, it's true. Man, if you like,

709
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: if you know, there's there's companies like companies like sick

710
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: of Gear and other companies that that really rely on

711
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: folks like coal and others that that live and hunt

712
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: in that environment to test the gear, because again, it

713
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: is one of the harpstist and harshest environments that you

714
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 1: will come across in question anywhere in the world, I feel.

715
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: And so I think that's a good setup to get

716
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: into what happened to you. Um, and we also have

717
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: to get into what you know, a falk Knack island.

718
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 1: I think a falkneck island from a lot of folks

719
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: listening to this and even for those who haven't heard

720
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 1: the Themitre podcast, which is Steve Rinella um Remy Warren

721
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: in a bunch of camera guys, they're filming the Mediator

722
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: podcast of doing a Medior podcast filming for the Mediator

723
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: TV show on a fog neck. Um. I think this

724
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: would have been last year, and they were charged by

725
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: a big old bear and uh an interesting story ensued.

726
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: Luckily there no one was injured at all, rather than

727
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: some um some mental hurdles to get over after the fact.

728
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: But that's where I first heard about Falkneck, and I

729
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: think that's probably where a lot of people first heard

730
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: about a fog Neck because Kodiak is um a familiar

731
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: name to those in the hunting industry and the fishing

732
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: industry and even you know, just regular folks at large.

733
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: But a fog Neck is just a different place, oh

734
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 1: for sure, so uh for the people unaware. So everything

735
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: is is a part of Kodiak, but it has so

736
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: many outlying islands, and a fog Neck is kind of

737
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: the northern big island just attached from Kodiak proper. There's

738
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: about a bunch of other islands up there. Raspberries a

739
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: really well known one for its elk and um and

740
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: likewise with a fog neck, and there's also a marmot

741
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: and spruce and all these other ones. But we were

742
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 1: out on a fog neck specifically for the elk hunting,

743
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,439
Speaker 1: really really well known for its elk population out there,

744
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: and these elk are ah incredible. First of all, we

745
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: had done a hunt me and some of the other

746
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 1: guys the prior year and just capitalized and it was awesome,

747
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: had a great time and uh, these are just massive.

748
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: They're not like the Colorado or Wyoming type elk w

749
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: you have, you know, the massive racks, but they're just huge.

750
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 1: One of the biggest body and uh and we had

751
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 1: a fantastic time. And I got to go with another

752
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: guy um the same year prior to that, and uh

753
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: he he drew, so he had a draw and he

754
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: actually did his on Raspberry and did win there. So

755
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: I've had a couple of good elk hunts there and

756
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: we wanted to repeat this year. So it just puts

757
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: a lot of good meat and the freezer for everybody.

758
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: And I think that answers the question of after I've

759
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: heard Remy and Steve's story. You know, the question becomes

760
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: why a fog mack? Knowing you know the inherent danger

761
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: of the environment. I mean it's harsh, harsh environment, especially

762
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: the times that you were there and when those guys

763
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: are over there. So I mean it's rain, it suck,

764
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: it's hard to move around, it takes you know, oh,

765
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: we only have to get a mile that direction. Well

766
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: that's gonna take us four hours. Um, so it's it's

767
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: we'll get into you know, let you describe a little

768
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: bit of your experience. Is there. But you know the

769
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,879
Speaker 1: question of why becomes it's close to where you live.

770
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: It's a plane right away, and there's giant elk there

771
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: that can give you a year's worth of meat. That's

772
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: probably four pounds of meat, yes easily, you know you

773
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: split it up, and it's it's incredible and uh yeah,

774
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: I know the boys and I, uh so I go

775
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: for an elk hunt and uh we took a boat

776
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 1: over actually, um and got to our kind of hunting

777
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: spot where we do how uh let's say like an

778
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: hour and a half. That's not long. No, it's not

779
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: it's not bad at all. Um, not from the main

780
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: like Dog Harbor area, and Kodiak anywhere you launched from it.

781
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 1: That's probably where most people launch from anyways, Dog Harbor,

782
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: And it just kind of depends on, of course, the

783
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: sea state and the tides because there's some passes that

784
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: you can take to get there. Um, they can get through,

785
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: otherwise you gonna go all the way around. They'll take

786
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: a lot longer, but I think about an hour and

787
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: a half that is what it was. And as a resident,

788
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: is it pretty easy to grab a tag to go

789
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:08,959
Speaker 1: over there? Yeah? No, Um, the registration hunt opens. Um

790
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: all on the kind of for lack of a better term,

791
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: I guess, quota on on how the draw hunts go.

792
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: So the ELK has really really highly regulated, and it

793
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: was let's see two seasons prior to this one where

794
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: none of us actually got to go. We were trying

795
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: to make it work and get everybody organized, and they

796
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: shut it down. So the way it works is the

797
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: draw hunts all happen and then uh, I guess some

798
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: years they might not even open it, but they'll open

799
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: it on the same date. Uh remember what it it was

800
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: this year. I think it's November or something like that.

801
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:51,919
Speaker 1: That sounds about right. Maybe, Oh, no, October would be October. Yeah,

802
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: it had to be so October I think is when

803
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: it opens for the public and you just go pick

804
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 1: up your tag. It's free, and every day to call

805
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: in find out if it's still open, and then as

806
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: soon as you do get one, you're required to call

807
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: it in I think within forty eight hours really the

808
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: same day as oftenly what you want to do, um,

809
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: just to let them know what the population is, and

810
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: then whether whatever quota they set fishing game does then

811
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: it's like closed down and unlike all you know, most

812
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: other hunts you have like five days, it's like, okay,

813
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: five days calling, but it's like the Elk is very

814
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: very strict and um because it's all it's all herds

815
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: there and um, I don't know where that's going on that.

816
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, October three, and we kind of switched out

817
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: with some other guys on this hunt and sent some

818
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: other guys over there first and then we swapped out

819
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: with them and they didn't have any any luck whatsoever.

820
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: And as you well know, and I know he has

821
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: get some good experience over there. I've seen some of

822
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: the shows and podcasts as well. But the weather is

823
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: just also just as crazy over there, even probably more so,

824
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: I think, um, because there is no roads, no really

825
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,720
Speaker 1: well taken past or trails. Like if you're gonna find something,

826
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: your goal is to kind of get up the ridgeline

827
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: and and then hopefully you can see but at the

828
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: cloud cover is low enough, you're not gonna able to

829
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: see anything, Like you just can't get anywhere. And uh,

830
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: obviously come to find out, it's like the bear population

831
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: there is is well aware of elk and and the

832
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: people there, and they're not city bears. You know, they're

833
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: very u well versed in in being the primal creature

834
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: over there. Did you like when going into this this

835
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: particular hunt and you hunt up before obviously, and um,

836
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: going into this hunt, what's your you know, what's your mindset?

837
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: You know if this would be a lot of questions

838
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: in one but had you had any bear experiences on

839
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: a fog neck prior and going into this hunt? What

840
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: was your preparation as far as communication with the mainland

841
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: um and medical supplies and and protection from bears? I mean,

842
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 1: I know, like that's informed by just your general knowledge

843
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: of wilderness or medicine and and what you've done in

844
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: the past, but that's also informed by you know what

845
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: you've seen over there, and UM, so yeah, me and

846
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: the boys, Uh, it's always standard for us every time

847
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 1: we're going out bringing a STAP phone. Um, we always

848
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: have a SAP phone with us. At least one guys

849
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: have that. We actually had multiple dorm in reaches with us.

850
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: A fantastic yeah, and well it's funny enough. I've got

851
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: to get a story on that when we when we

852
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: get to it. UM in comparison, I guess, but uh,

853
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: and then guys have gps is and cell phones as

854
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: well that we use for gps is. All of us

855
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: pretty much use the Guy app on our cell phones.

856
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: It's it's it's great, but no, those are kind of

857
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: our our primary like electronic devices that we use. UM.

858
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: And then we always have a first aid kit that

859
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: everybody has pretty much standard with them as well as

860
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 1: turning kits. And then every guy's got one of those, UM,

861
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: and then everybody's carrying with them. Some guys will have

862
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: like a little bit more or less depending but you know, everybody,

863
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: everybody's got one of those. The dorm injury which is

864
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: I think we had at least two, and then at

865
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: least like a plethora of rifles. You know, and and

866
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 1: pistols combos thereof, so I think we pretty much covered

867
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: our bases. And to be honest, like when this all

868
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: went down, I still think it went down textbook like

869
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,919
Speaker 1: couldn't win anybody better under the circumstances, and uh, never

870
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: had any better experiences over there before, and honestly before

871
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: that had never even seen. Yeah, it was kind of

872
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: kind of surprised even us. So the year prior to

873
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: when we did the elk cunt um, we kind of

874
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: came up with this system. We did it all in

875
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: one go and got the elk scunum, brought all the

876
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: meat away from the carcasses, and then built kind of

877
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: a new site with a fire at it. And arthury

878
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: is just you know, having the fire hopefully keep the

879
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: air away or at least kind of determined for a

880
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: little while. And then we just kind of did this

881
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 1: uh shuffling uh short movements. Um, we just go a

882
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: few hundred yards, make another fire, bring the meat over there,

883
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: and then just cart back and forth and then just

884
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: basically go fire to fire to fire to fire until

885
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: we got back to the boats on the beach. And

886
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: system really really worked good. Never saw any bear. Uh.

887
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,760
Speaker 1: The only thing we saw at that point was foxes.

888
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: The foxes obviously he's like, who meat, you know, like

889
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: on the on these islands. Oh for sure, we've done

890
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: a buffalo hunt. Um. I think first year I was

891
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 1: there down towards the south end of the island, and uh,

892
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: that was the first thing that I saw pop up.

893
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 1: As soon as our buffalo wing down, like that great

894
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 1: fox came like right up to me. Didn't care all,

895
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: he was just like, hey, what's up. It's like just

896
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: nose in the air, like looking it's like, oh I

897
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: smell smell meat and he was ready to go. But uh,

898
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: it never really came up before. But that's another thing

899
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 1: I think with the wildlife in Kodiak is there's no

900
00:46:54,920 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: real predators. I think, uh, like other places, the bear,

901
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 1: as much as I know that they can take down

902
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: like deer, elk and buffalo, it's not really a normal occurrence.

903
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: They rely on you know, meats or meats, berries and

904
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: twigs that they're inland or if that's where they're going

905
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: for and then mainly the salmon of course, and that

906
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: that's always their main food consumption. So I think they'll

907
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: take carcasses and stuff like that when it's when it's

908
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: there and ready, and especially the more hungry they are.

909
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: But I don't know, I think just probably a waste

910
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: of energy for them, so they don't actually try taking

911
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: them down. More scavengers, um, but yeah, no predators there.

912
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: But anyway, uh yeah, back back to the fog neck

913
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: and I would say, like as a um, you know,

914
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: to make your point a little bit, you'll go to

915
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: Kodiak Island and look at how many blacktailed deer there are.

916
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: There's no way that that predation is that strong. What

917
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 1: you look, the predation numbers can't be that high because

918
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: they're deer every everywhere everywhere. Well I have to go

919
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 1: on a tangent on this one now, but specifically with

920
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: the deer, it wasn't. This year was great, phenomenal, fantastic

921
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: deer everywhere. The deer looked really really healthy, a lot

922
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: of fat on them. Both mine and the ones other

923
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 1: guys that I work with killed like really really good,

924
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: healthy deer, which is really great to see because the

925
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: year prior was horrendous. Almost nobody got dear, very very scarce.

926
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: And the reason for that, in my hypothesis and other

927
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: guys that I've talked to, is all because of an

928
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: kind of an early freeze, and it just killed off

929
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 1: all of the salmon berries. There was no salmon berries,

930
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,720
Speaker 1: uh like on island at all. There was no season

931
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: because a lot of people go out and harvest and

932
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: pick them and you know, make stuff with them, pies

933
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: and juices and whatever else, and completely killed them off.

934
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: And therefore I think that, you know, the deer population

935
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: really hurt, not probably just because of the salmon berries,

936
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: but other things that that that frost could have killed

937
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: as well, just to hurt the population so much. But

938
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: the deer just thrived there. And from what I've been

939
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: told is like the entire population of deer on Kodiak

940
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: started with like seven deer on a separate island on

941
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,919
Speaker 1: Long Island, just off the coast there, and I think

942
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: some down in the south then as well, and they

943
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: just dropped them off. And the deer from Long Island,

944
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: you know, they swam over and the ones in the

945
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: south are like that, all just like populated, just like

946
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: blew up, completely just thrived there, hearty creatures with the

947
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: harsh conditions, but of course with no predators. That's that's

948
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: what takes it down. It's it's it's the harsh conditions

949
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: and the weather and event nevitally that's so it's not

950
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: like they're dealing with coyoutes and wolves and you know,

951
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: other predators to take them. Yeah. I mean with low

952
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: predation generally low predation numbers, and winter kill being you know,

953
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: winter kill and predation being kind of a habitat loss

954
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: kind of being the three things that normally will drive

955
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: population numbers down. There's not a whole lot of any

956
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: of those things other than winter kill going on. But

957
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: do you know I could just scratch the surface. Yeah,

958
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: I mean the one time that I hunted blacktail deer

959
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: and codyak. I mean you could look across the flats,

960
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: look across the Hummack flats and it would be two

961
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 1: deer and one. I mean, I have photos of two

962
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: deer standing in one flat cheese over there. That's I'm

963
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: swarm of secrets. You can't tell you where's right, I

964
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: get it. But yeah, but but that's you know, that's

965
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: my experience on one small part of the island. But

966
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: for sure is in that harsh environment, to see those

967
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 1: animals fry like that, that's that's um. It was always

968
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 1: amazing to me. Yeah, you know they're like you said,

969
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 1: hardy animals. Back to falkneck another tangent, all good tangents,

970
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: but podcasts are about are all about tings. So so

971
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: you had never you had quite the system for for

972
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: getting your meat out, um, and never had any any

973
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: bare experiences to this point, but still very prepared. I mean,

974
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: you guys are all carrying side arms for not not everybody.

975
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 1: Some guys that side arms, and uh, some guys had

976
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: rifles and then some guys didn't have anything. At the point.

977
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: It just kind of like because of the situation where

978
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: we did, uh go for the elk, things had kind

979
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: of changed over the course time. At first everybody everybody

980
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: had a rifle on them, um, but our our goal

981
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,760
Speaker 1: had changed, like okay, we're only getting one elk, and

982
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 1: uh that was really the deals, like okay, we're only

983
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: getting one elk. This times like just bringing out because

984
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,760
Speaker 1: kind of setting up for that. Uh, the guys prior

985
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: hadn't seen anything. The conditions were just horrible. They were

986
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 1: just got awful, Like it was really really high winds,

987
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: heavy rains, cold, and we just wanted to focus on

988
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: normal conditions, normal normal conditions there and even the cloud

989
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: cover was was low a lot of the times and

990
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: of course affected visibility. So first we were gung ho

991
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: and I think we were there for two days and

992
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: hadn't seen anything. We didn't even see any deer, like

993
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 1: we're just talking about the deer population. Didn't see any deer,

994
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 1: didn't see any elk and see any bear, didn't see anything,

995
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: no fox. That's like, I didn't see anything living practically,

996
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: and it's like, you gotta be kidding me. It's like nothing,

997
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: and we're like, okay, that was a little disheartening, and

998
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: the other guys with the same way and like, okay, well,

999
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: it's definitely it's a relatively big island. When you're on

1000
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: foot and having to work, like you've mentioned before, it's

1001
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: like it takes you hours to go anywhere, so you

1002
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: gotta kind of set yourself up, and not knowing where

1003
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,720
Speaker 1: the actual like population of elk is like can really

1004
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,720
Speaker 1: hurt you. Did you guys bring any like bear fencing

1005
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: or when you camped every night or did you just

1006
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:38,919
Speaker 1: no just camping yep, just asses out and hope nothing

1007
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 1: bad happens. Talk about that a lot, because we spent

1008
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: a lot of days out in the field, like sleeping overnight,

1009
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 1: and uh, spent a lot of nights out in the

1010
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 1: field in a biddy and just this you know, small

1011
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: like rainproof sack and just call a bear burrito because

1012
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a bad day if that bear decides

1013
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: that you just fell really good and decides to take

1014
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 1: you open there. Yeah, exactly, And nope, that's all we

1015
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: had is just our shelters, and we were down more

1016
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,720
Speaker 1: towards the coast, and because of the numbers, we weren't.

1017
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: We've never really had issues Before's as soon as you

1018
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: have the meat and all that, I think that's when

1019
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: it changes everything. They're willing to you know, they're willing

1020
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: to inch a little bit further in because of the reward,

1021
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: rather than you know, how many guys you have in

1022
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 1: your in your univeing myself, yea five people. That's a

1023
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,760
Speaker 1: good determ for a better But when there's the the

1024
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,240
Speaker 1: encouragement to come and check that meat out, it's probably

1025
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: a little bit more. I think the I don't know,

1026
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: people have different theories and their own stories, and I

1027
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: think fire always helped to do so. It's like when

1028
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 1: you have a base game, you know, having that fire,

1029
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: it's kind of like Okay, I think I don't know

1030
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: if you're cooking something that's going to change stuff, But

1031
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 1: as soon as you have a fire in the smoke,

1032
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: I would think that, you know, the bears don't really

1033
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: like that, but then again, maybe they do. There's some

1034
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: theories on the gunshots and Kodiak being like dinner bells.

1035
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: You hear that all the time, and it's like, Okay,

1036
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: that's the time that you have to be most aware,

1037
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 1: like bear aware, as they saying, because is like as

1038
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 1: soon as that happens, like you're just waiting. Did you

1039
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: guys ever consider bear spray as as something you would do?

1040
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: Would you do? You know? Like, and I know I

1041
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 1: got a lot of guys use it. I'm not a

1042
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: huge proponent of it. Um. I still prefer, you know,

1043
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 1: a side arm if I'm gonna carry something and not

1044
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: carry a full rifle. Otherwise I always try to carry

1045
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 1: a full rifle with me. Um. I don't know. The

1046
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: bear spray supposedly works, but as we talked about with

1047
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 1: the the guy that was just uh just got mauld

1048
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: in Montana, you know, hit twice by that sow and

1049
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: she obviously ran straight through the bear spray. And I've

1050
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: heard other accounts of that, and I think with the

1051
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: bears that are there, if they want you, if they

1052
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: want what you have, they're gonna get it. It's only

1053
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: for Yeah, I think that kind of bear that's kind

1054
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 1: of curious. That makes you feel more uneasy, like in

1055
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 1: all honestly, like with with a bunch of guys around,

1056
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: like you're probably gonna scare the bear off. The bears

1057
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: probably not gonna like have any interest and eventually go away.

1058
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: He might get close, that might scare you, but like

1059
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: you're probably pull out the bear spray. I think in fear.

1060
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: And that's why I think a lot of times like

1061
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: you hear about the you know, the false charges and

1062
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,439
Speaker 1: people shooting bear and it does kind of suck. It's like, yeah,

1063
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: of course you can't protect yourself and others, but when

1064
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 1: a bear is just kind of like, hey, you're in

1065
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: my area and just kind of like yeah, the charges,

1066
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 1: that's a confused. It's hard and you know, I know

1067
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:20,240
Speaker 1: other hunters have have had those experiences plenty of times before,

1068
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: including Coal, as we discussed before. I love the guy

1069
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: and you know what's up Coal, But when when he

1070
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: actually hitting up path event event when he found out

1071
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 1: and he gave me like, hey, assholes, supposed to be

1072
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: me to get to Like I'm the bear guy, Like

1073
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 1: this is supposed to happen to me first, not you.

1074
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: So he gave me plenty of ship. But yeah, I

1075
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: know it's a very real thing. And the bear spray

1076
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,240
Speaker 1: if if you're gonna if that's all you got, awesome,

1077
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: you know that that's all you got. But definitely strength

1078
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 1: numbers and you guys always stick together when you're when

1079
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: you're in a place, and that was, you know, the

1080
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: part of the thing. But um, again, we were just

1081
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: focused on the elk then, you know, not seeing anything else.

1082
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: The last thing any of us were expecting to run

1083
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: into is bear, um in those conditions, and well let's

1084
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:09,839
Speaker 1: let's get into it. Yeah. So so you guys had

1085
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: a hunted a couple of days not seeing hot nor hair. Yeah, nothing,

1086
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 1: I think it was and I take that back. I

1087
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: think it was the end of the second day, just

1088
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: as the sun was going down, where another guy was

1089
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: with me, he spotted them. Finally, we're like, we're just

1090
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: trying to find different spots, like going through the spruce

1091
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: and uh and and finding open areas where you can

1092
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: kind of glass and see whatever we can see. And

1093
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: finally high up on a ridge line, I saw like

1094
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: two to four of them, I think, well now three four,

1095
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 1: like four alcayop on the bridge line. Way, thank god, Okay,

1096
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: it's like we finally saw something. We know that they're

1097
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: they're awesome. Immediately, like all right, let's break down, let's

1098
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: head back, let's see where we can get the boats

1099
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: in like with you know, with the surf and the

1100
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 1: wind that the way they were, we want to make sure.

1101
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 1: And I kind of make this plan of attack to

1102
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 1: get up to where they were the following morning. So

1103
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 1: always scolpted it out, looked on some maps, just kind

1104
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: of glass the area, and uh found this bridge line

1105
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,479
Speaker 1: that we decided to take, and um made our plan

1106
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: and you know, set up following morning, got up early,

1107
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: early before the sun and started hiking up and certainly

1108
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: no easy going there. You know, it took us, took

1109
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: us a little while, but we made it up, and

1110
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: I think the line was still the best that we

1111
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,919
Speaker 1: could have taken. And finally got up on the ridge

1112
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: line and hadn't seen anything, and conditions were still terrible.

1113
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: I think the weather predicted that, you know, it was

1114
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: supposed to be better. Of course it was not the opposite.

1115
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: It was actually more rainy, and uh I didn't seem

1116
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: at first, and we had our suspicions because if people

1117
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: aren't aware, you know, elka very no mac they're not

1118
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: like deer would say, oh sun goes down, like they're

1119
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: gonna graze a little bit, maybe bed down, like they'll

1120
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: probably be there, and then moving the elk and move

1121
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: like really great distances like off in the night. And

1122
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: so of course we get out there are like, shit,

1123
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: my gosh, damn it, like where are they? And I

1124
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: started walking the ridge lines more and finally saw them,

1125
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: but it wasn't for as the whole herd, and I

1126
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: hadn't seen a full herd of elk yet. Um no,

1127
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: well in Kodiak anyway, like I've heard it like okay,

1128
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: there's always you know, big herds of them, but we've

1129
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: always just seen like one of twos and that's what

1130
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: we hunted, and honestly that's kind of better just because

1131
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: you don't have so many eyes on you. But finding

1132
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: the herd was like really really nice to were like, oh,

1133
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: we were just extent, you know, really really excited finally

1134
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:26,919
Speaker 1: finding them. So we're at the top of the ridge

1135
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: line there at the bottom of the valley, and then

1136
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: it was kind of like great, but now what do

1137
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: we do? And of course we're just sitting there for

1138
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: a while looking around and how far below you are

1139
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: they at this point, I don't know what elevation we

1140
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: were at. We were pretty high, we had we were

1141
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: definitely above alpine, so I don't think we're at the

1142
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: top elevation feet or so, and then they were almost

1143
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 1: probably at sea level, yeah, not not very much higher.

1144
00:58:54,280 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: So um, there was very little cover getting down to them.

1145
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: A lot of older but not really like good spruce

1146
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: where you're gonna get a shot anyway. So that was

1147
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: really the talk is like, Okay, how do we get

1148
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: down to these elk um within range, get a shot,

1149
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 1: and then of course getting him out else or out afterwards.

1150
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: And we figured probably just take the valley out, but uh,

1151
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: we decided like, hey, there's five of us, let's split up,

1152
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: three go on one side of the herd and to

1153
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 1: stay on the other side of the herd, and we

1154
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: basically just kind of trying to make our way down

1155
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: and pray that they don't just find out we're there.

1156
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: And then jet on the other side of the alley.

1157
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: Hopefully they'll just kind of like either move one way

1158
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: or the other. Because they weren't really moving too much.

1159
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: They were they seemed a little weird, little off. We

1160
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 1: couldn't really tell what it was. And so we're just like, okay,

1161
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 1: let's just split them, get down. Then whoever can take

1162
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: a shot. We'll hear the shot and like cool, that's it,

1163
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 1: and then go to the other guys. And uh so

1164
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: we started moving, and myself and two other guys with

1165
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: the three man group and I started moving to to

1166
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 1: one side of them, making our way across the ridge

1167
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 1: line then eventually down and then of course we run

1168
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: into three other hunters and as it seems, oh my god,

1169
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. We were just just in awe.

1170
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 1: One we'd already been there two days. Like it was

1171
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: definitely like a piste off moment. And they were below us.

1172
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: They never saw us, um far far down below it.

1173
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: They were just glassing and it's like, okay, rightfully, so

1174
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: however they got there, you know, they got there. They

1175
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: were clear, they're in front of us. But it piste

1176
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: us off because no tact whatsoever right out in the open,

1177
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 1: moving straight towards the alkin like okay, no, one of

1178
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 1: the elk are kind of like weird, you know, their

1179
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 1: eyes are up all on the hills. Were like, well,

1180
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: there we go. It's like these you know whatever, gentleman exactly, yeah, gentlemen.

1181
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: I don't know who they were, but it was like, yeah,

1182
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 1: definitely annoying. They're probably just they wanted to be fair

1183
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 1: chase yea yeah, right, and uh, you know, they were

1184
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: doing their thing and whatever. Maybe it worked out for

1185
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 1: all I don't know, but obviously it ticked us off

1186
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: and like, okay, well rightfully, so these guys are lower

1187
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: and to get them sort of like the right away,

1188
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: but like we're not gonna end here, like all right.

1189
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: The three of us decided like, hey, let's book it

1190
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: back to the other side, kind of kind of climb

1191
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: back up the bridge line, make your way over, trying

1192
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: to spook the elk, and then get back with the

1193
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 1: other two guys. We're like, okay, from there, we're just

1194
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 1: gonna try to make our way down and uh get

1195
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 1: on the other side. So it's like, hey, if if

1196
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: we get down low enough we take a shot first,

1197
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: then so be it. Or if they take a shot.

1198
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 1: Hopefully they'll kind of like push them drive them towards us,

1199
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 1: so we're kind of be ready. So I kind of

1200
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: took the lead, running, sprinting my ass off to link

1201
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,439
Speaker 1: up with the other two guys, and um, the two

1202
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: that were with me were behind me, and we're just

1203
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,439
Speaker 1: kind of moving across the bridge line. I start making

1204
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: my way across and then eventually down and I'm just

1205
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: kind of starting to break down out of alpine into

1206
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 1: the order of the thick brush there, and I saw

1207
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 1: the hats sticking out of the order of one of

1208
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: the other guys, so that was kind of my eye.

1209
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 1: And uh, one of the guys that was with me,

1210
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 1: he got my attention. He's like, hey, he's like, we

1211
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: want to take another line down. And we were separated,

1212
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 1: you know, a good distance at this point. So I

1213
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: started my waking making my way up towards him. And

1214
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 1: this is a really really steep hill and a matter

1215
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 1: of fact, there's a there was a cliff kind of

1216
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 1: separating us. Um, not huge or anything, but it's probably

1217
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 1: you know, thirty wide, maybe like tall, just enough that

1218
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 1: it's like he's not gonna like jump down over it.

1219
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: It's like he's going to be above it with the

1220
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 1: other guy, and I'm below it, and we're kind of

1221
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 1: converging at that cliff and then paralleling at that point.

1222
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 1: So I'm kind of just coming up towards the cliff,

1223
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: kind of kind of back up the hill at this point,

1224
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: and I step over this rock, kind of climb over

1225
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 1: like terrain feature, so to speak. And as soon as

1226
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 1: I do, I stand up and turn and right down

1227
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: the older five yards away there she is. And immediately, like,

1228
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 1: you know, just stop frozen and at this like what's

1229
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 1: she doing? She looking at you, she looking away. So

1230
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 1: so that was it was like when I saw it

1231
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 1: was just just a big ball for like, no features,

1232
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 1: no anything. I just see is this big thing of fur,

1233
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 1: and you know, I just I just stopped him, like

1234
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 1: I couldn't really make out anything. And of course everything

1235
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 1: immediately like slows down. And the way I really have

1236
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 1: related the story with other people that I've told is

1237
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 1: kind of like the state of flow, where I'm like, okay,

1238
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 1: everything immediately went slow motion. I got like no concept

1239
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 1: of time from this point on, like everything we slowed down,

1240
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 1: making all the decisions in my head, and um so

1241
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: for me, I'm just say you know, the gears are turning,

1242
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: and the first instinct I didn't know, you know, I

1243
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 1: just big thing of fur. Okay, what is it? You know?

1244
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: My mind's like okay, processing, processing, because I'm not even

1245
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:43,919
Speaker 1: think about Bear. I'm thinking about Elk, and I'm like, okay,

1246
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: that's not the right color. And the color was actually

1247
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 1: like grayer. It wasn't really brown like even brown Bear

1248
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 1: and Elk, and I'm like okay, processing. But of course,

1249
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 1: no time whatsoever. I just I just stand up there.

1250
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: And as soon as I did, I took a step back,

1251
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: and because it kind of dawned at me, finally, okay, this,

1252
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:04,439
Speaker 1: whatever it is, it's not good. I know I know better,

1253
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 1: and took one step back, and whether it was the

1254
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: point where she finally heard me or finally smelled me

1255
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 1: and caught wind of me, she just turned her head

1256
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 1: and charged like immediately, and and as soon as I

1257
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 1: took the step back, I knew that was going to

1258
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 1: be the case. Anyway, Like I said, with my experiences

1259
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: as the Bear, it's like everything's good, fine and dandy,

1260
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 1: because you don't surprise them like you never surprised at Bear,

1261
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 1: Like they know you're there well before you do otherwise,

1262
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 1: like you're hunting it from like hundreds of yards yards away,

1263
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 1: you know you're glassing them, but like if you're that close,

1264
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: like no way they know you're there. And so as

1265
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: soon as I did him, like there was no doubt

1266
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 1: in my mind, like this is gonna happen, Like there's

1267
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 1: there's no getting out of it. You don't feel like

1268
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 1: she was processed anything she smelled it was instinct, like

1269
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: there was instinctual like there's danger, something's not right. I

1270
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 1: have to address this issue. There was no and and

1271
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 1: be five yards, but I don't have to exaggerate the

1272
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: distance where or I know I know five yards very well.

1273
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 1: And for people unaware, you know that talk about running

1274
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 1: away from bears and stuff, bears running thirty plus, Like

1275
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 1: that's that's a leap, you know, a way that the

1276
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: bears can just they're insane. That's like somebody fast. You'd

1277
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 1: be in five yards from the hood of a car

1278
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 1: and somebody flooring it. You're thinking you're gonna jump out

1279
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 1: of the way. They could cover a let's see, five

1280
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:29,479
Speaker 1: yards and in a millisecond really well a top speed.

1281
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, it took a little bit longer than that.

1282
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 1: But in real time, Like that's a second really, and

1283
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 1: how long I mean you're when you're processing you see

1284
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 1: the bear, you're processing it, it's moments until it charges you.

1285
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 1: I mean no, no, it was almost instantaneous. Like I said,

1286
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 1: I stood up, and and I did take a step

1287
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 1: back because it once it immediately clicked, which is you know,

1288
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 1: probably a millisecond. She probably as soon as I stood up,

1289
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 1: probably smelled me or whatever, and it took her probably

1290
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 1: a millisecond to just a turn. So I don't really

1291
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 1: know that the time wise there, but I just knew

1292
01:05:57,040 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 1: there was no she didn't she wasn't standing up. There

1293
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 1: was no like snore, there was no like you know,

1294
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 1: kind of bluffing beefing up. It was just like like

1295
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 1: it startled her, you know, scared, and she's like what

1296
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 1: is this that just really snuck up behind me because

1297
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 1: just by her head turn she was facing downhill and

1298
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:15,959
Speaker 1: and my suspicion as well these other guys she's probably

1299
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 1: hunting the same elk. We were like I wanted, you know,

1300
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: something to do with whether she was going to hunt

1301
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 1: them or like you know, capitalize on something else. She

1302
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 1: was there for a reason, like right near the elk,

1303
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 1: and she was just hunkered down and the older either

1304
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 1: sneaking weight making her way through or just like waiting.

1305
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 1: And so when I came up behind her was sheer surprise.

1306
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 1: So of course instinctively, I immediately yelled out there and

1307
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:43,440
Speaker 1: instinctively was pulling my rifle up. I ripped the scope

1308
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 1: cover off and started presenting, you know, my rifle, and

1309
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 1: I knew. I'm like, this isn't gonna happen, and this

1310
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 1: is the first time and I've I've shot it a

1311
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 1: few times now, But I got a new uh a

1312
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:58,439
Speaker 1: new rifles six five creed More, and I was really

1313
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 1: excited about it because it was insanely like my goal

1314
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: is I really like guns, and I huge prom like

1315
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 1: I just love shooting in general. But I built this

1316
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 1: specifically to be extremely light, like the lightest rifle I have.

1317
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 1: The whole thing with five rounds is less than six pounds,

1318
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 1: so it's like a toothpick, you know, you're holding it.

1319
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 1: So it's so great, you know, great's gonna be great

1320
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 1: for goats and future out kinds and everything else. But

1321
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 1: of course it's not gonna take down to bear, never

1322
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 1: in a million years. Every it's for people who don't know.

1323
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 1: It's just a little little, teeny tiny round like it's

1324
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: it's goes shoot fast and straight and it's gonna take

1325
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 1: a lot of shot placement, but it's it doesn't have

1326
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 1: a lot of power, and especially for a bear, and

1327
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 1: I knew it. My note, I'm like, okay, if I

1328
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:42,479
Speaker 1: get the hip shot, if anything off, it's just gonna

1329
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 1: piss off. It's not gonna take you down. Then I'm

1330
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 1: gonna take five pounds to the face and the body

1331
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 1: and just I'll end up like one of those stories.

1332
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 1: And all of this is just turning my mind. And

1333
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 1: I knew it. Started raising it, threw it down, and

1334
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 1: then I just Superman down the hill. And of course

1335
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 1: when I say that, it's like, yeah, it's a little

1336
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 1: bit of a drop, but I'm not really going anywhere,

1337
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 1: and uh, I just kind of jumped in the alders

1338
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 1: and covered up my head and neck as best I could,

1339
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 1: and again no concept of time, but it felt like

1340
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,799
Speaker 1: I didn't even hit the ground, and she was already

1341
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:18,599
Speaker 1: on me. She had a bite in the back of

1342
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 1: my leg, high up on my right leg, just just

1343
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 1: below my ass, and she picked me up just by

1344
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 1: that and just threw me threw me over that same

1345
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 1: like rock like kind of terrain features that I was

1346
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 1: kind of falling down. I I fall on my head.

1347
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 1: She's just kind of like just throwing me around like

1348
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:38,799
Speaker 1: a rag doll. She picks me up and as I'm falling,

1349
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 1: she's trying to rebite me, and she she bites me

1350
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 1: in the nuts and I'm kind of like head down,

1351
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 1: face down. I just feel top two canines like going

1352
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 1: into the taint and like that's not good, like fall

1353
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 1: and she's just bite me in the leg like traveling

1354
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 1: on the leg. Bites me real hard, almost like kind

1355
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 1: of behind the knee at this point. Unfortunately, like the

1356
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 1: guys were Johnny on the spot, of course, this is

1357
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,680
Speaker 1: just like second stances are happening and the guy do

1358
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 1: you remember screaming or yeah I did on the first one.

1359
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 1: But it's it's funny, you know, training dogs. I think

1360
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 1: I had a lot to do it. And when you

1361
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: train dogs like for for bite working stuff, uh, it

1362
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 1: drives them. Just like when they say of the animals,

1363
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 1: like the whole playing dead thing, it actually has a

1364
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 1: lot of truth behind it because it is it's just

1365
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 1: kind of like this instinctual prey that when you do

1366
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 1: bite or when they bite, like when you scream, it

1367
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 1: just drives them even more to buy the hardest theff

1368
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 1: first when I yelled out, and I'm like, like that

1369
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:36,600
Speaker 1: was obviously making things way worse than like, okay, this

1370
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 1: is it. It's like this is gonna suck, like it's

1371
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:40,719
Speaker 1: gonna be really really bad. And even when I dove,

1372
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 1: like I knew that, like there's no protecting myself, is

1373
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 1: fully relying on everybody else around me to take over

1374
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 1: this point, I'm like, okay, here's trusting the boys, like

1375
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 1: I know they know their ship, like this is it. Yeah, Yeah,

1376
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 1: I'm just I never let go like just head, you know,

1377
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 1: our hands behind the head and neck and uh you know,

1378
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 1: I kind of got a ash in my eye from

1379
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 1: just getting thrown into some alder or something at some point,

1380
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 1: but I'm like, yeah, I'm not letting go like this

1381
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 1: is you know, this is all I got like to

1382
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:11,639
Speaker 1: to hold onto. And um, right when she was stolen

1383
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:14,679
Speaker 1: the legs, she uh the guy above me took a shot,

1384
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:18,639
Speaker 1: you know, and uh you know, as he tells it too,

1385
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 1: obviously we all collected her own stories after the event,

1386
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: and uh he he didn't hear what I said. None

1387
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 1: of them did, Like they're all like somewhat close by,

1388
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 1: but they just they couldn't make out what I said,

1389
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 1: Like I was yelling bear, but I just said at

1390
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 1: once and then I was, you know, mauled, and they

1391
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 1: just heard the scream and then they heard all the

1392
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:41,720
Speaker 1: growling and then then you know, immediately immediately new So

1393
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 1: all I did is get up over the cliff and

1394
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 1: he peered down. He had to kind of make a

1395
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,599
Speaker 1: judgment call at that point because I couldn't see me,

1396
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 1: like the bears just like engulfed on me, like couldn't

1397
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:55,679
Speaker 1: see him at all. Made a judgment call and putting

1398
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 1: you know, hiring her back. And wherever that bullet ended up,

1399
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:00,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, but for actually it didn't end up me,

1400
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 1: and and you know I would have done the same thing,

1401
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:06,680
Speaker 1: Like I'm thankful he did it and I didn't kill her.

1402
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 1: You know, it just kind of piste her off and

1403
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 1: not a fear and anger. She beat me again, like

1404
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 1: kind of clawed on my back at this point, and

1405
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 1: backpack definitely stone. I even told calls like hey man,

1406
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 1: like I know you know that all those guys like

1407
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:27,599
Speaker 1: let him know I was like definitely saved my ass um,

1408
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 1: and I got a few claw marks on my back,

1409
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 1: but no, it definitely took some took some heavies and

1410
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 1: uh save me. But she you know kind of got

1411
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 1: uh to the side and then sunk one into my

1412
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 1: arm pretty good, and uh then the second shot went

1413
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 1: out just she just reloaded really quick quick put another

1414
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 1: one in or had a little bit better shot then

1415
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 1: and that one dropped her, you know, kind of at

1416
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 1: that point heard her enough. I heard a very distinct moan,

1417
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 1: kind of that killed shot type type deal, and she

1418
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 1: fell kind of on top of me, but a little

1419
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 1: bit of the side to not really in off of me.

1420
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:03,519
Speaker 1: And ironically it was I was a little more nervous

1421
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 1: at that point, even not being bit, because she was

1422
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 1: right there. I was more nervous about my my the

1423
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 1: back of my head and neck because I couldn't see

1424
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:12,880
Speaker 1: her at all. I'm kind of on my left side,

1425
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:14,720
Speaker 1: you know, with my hands behind my head and neck

1426
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 1: and looking up the hill with the two other guys

1427
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 1: that were with me, um when we split up, and uh,

1428
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 1: all I could see was or all I could just

1429
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 1: feel is just her and like I could hear the

1430
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 1: breath I feel the firm, like, oh god, I'm like,

1431
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 1: just don't bite me, like that's all I kept think.

1432
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:30,639
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, I'm hoping that bite doesn't

1433
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 1: come like on my head or something. Unfortunately, she started

1434
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 1: kind of crawling away. She was obviously really hurting at

1435
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 1: that point and uh barely kind of stumbling crawling away.

1436
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 1: I couldn't see her. I was just still faced uphill.

1437
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:46,920
Speaker 1: But the other guy that was um with me and

1438
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 1: the other one when we split up, he ran down

1439
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:52,600
Speaker 1: the hill and he had a glock uh twenty on

1440
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:55,320
Speaker 1: him with a ten mill, and uh, he just kind

1441
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 1: of got to me, pulled out the clock, ran by

1442
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:00,679
Speaker 1: me and just dumped a mag you know, just magat

1443
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 1: and finished rock make sure she'd be gonna come after

1444
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 1: us anymore. And um, immediately at that point is when

1445
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 1: I just started taking the backpack off on, zipping clothing

1446
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 1: like trying to get things. Couldn't move my leg at

1447
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:12,640
Speaker 1: all at this point. It was just I knew that

1448
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 1: was the worst of it. And a little side note

1449
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 1: on this one, Unfortunately I was completely unaware of what

1450
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 1: I found out afterwards. Is when they took that first shot,

1451
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:25,600
Speaker 1: is uh, you know, put when her in her in

1452
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 1: her back, they saw a cub out of the alder

1453
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 1: So of course, like I've told everybody, was like not

1454
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 1: having the experience that I do with bears, which is

1455
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 1: pales and compared to some to some people of course,

1456
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 1: but they're not aggressive that they're not nasty. It's like

1457
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 1: a been around Stiles and Cause before and just keep

1458
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 1: your distance. But with the conditions the way they were,

1459
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 1: with the heavy rains and the winds, like a come

1460
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 1: up on her and definitely surprised her. She was probably

1461
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 1: hunting territorial and she had a cub. It's like, there's

1462
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:58,719
Speaker 1: no no, I mean, it's perfect, that's the perfect storm

1463
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 1: lack of a better term, and her height and protective

1464
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 1: instincts any surprised she knows the cub and it sounds

1465
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 1: the covers below her probably yeah, so yeah you were

1466
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 1: you know, so you it was you her and the cub. Yeah.

1467
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 1: I never saw the cup at all. You know, it

1468
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:13,719
Speaker 1: was completely out of my sight and out of my mind.

1469
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 1: But ootionally, when people folks think about bear attacks, they're

1470
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 1: thinking about this situation. So cub, yeah it is. It's

1471
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 1: definitely you know, the worst Mama MoMA Baron and cubs,

1472
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 1: like that's what you don't want to mess with. And

1473
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 1: it's that's that's the most precarious when you're getting around

1474
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 1: that type of situation and say, Okay, this isn't just

1475
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 1: a bear like with some fish and like you know,

1476
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 1: it's like you've gotta be more cautious and definitely make

1477
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 1: it aware that you don't want anything to do with them.

1478
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 1: How long do you think the the attack lasted? No

1479
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:44,680
Speaker 1: idea like only seconds, Like I would say, probably still

1480
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 1: under a minute. Um for sure that the whole ordeal

1481
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 1: is probably still only like a minute. And that's that's

1482
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:58,759
Speaker 1: hard to say too. It's a totally different world. Um.

1483
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:01,680
Speaker 1: In plenty of kind of flow type states. In my life,

1484
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 1: we've been under a lot of stress and uh, and

1485
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. People always ask me too, is like

1486
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 1: did you pass out? Might not? I didn't pass out,

1487
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:13,120
Speaker 1: And I think the adrenaline took over in a lot

1488
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 1: of ways that I wasn't in a lot of pain

1489
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 1: initially either. A lot of it was just like a

1490
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 1: really really heightened sense of what was going on. It

1491
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 1: wasn't the sense where I was like, Okay, I didn't

1492
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 1: know what was gonna you know what I was doing

1493
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 1: or anything. I just knew that my best situation for

1494
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 1: survival was just being extremely keen on everything going on,

1495
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 1: and like, even as the bites are happy, I'm kind

1496
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 1: of thinking to myself like, Okay, I know what those

1497
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 1: wounds could be, like the worst case scenario, like what

1498
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 1: it is, Like, Okay, here that's what I'm gonna have

1499
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 1: to do afterwards the treaty. You're thinking practically, yeah, I

1500
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 1: wasn't thinking. I'm like, oh, this is it, this is

1501
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 1: the end that you weren't thinking about your friends, your family,

1502
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 1: Like yeah, it really wasn't. I was just thinking, like

1503
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 1: this situation as it is just really really in the moment,

1504
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:59,360
Speaker 1: and as everything was going on so naturally. Again, as

1505
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:01,519
Speaker 1: soon as that the other guy that had the pistol

1506
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 1: like ran by me. That's initially it was my first

1507
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 1: thought was like, okay, the the you know, the battles over,

1508
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 1: it's it's it's one, it's done, it's taken care of.

1509
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 1: Now it's like, okay, we gotta we gotta treat this.

1510
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 1: Um everything that's going on with me, and I knew

1511
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:15,639
Speaker 1: the other guys had the same process, like they're figuring

1512
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 1: everything out, and um, did you you know, during during

1513
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 1: the attack, do you remember any distinctive sounds or smells

1514
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 1: or things that that paying your memory back to that.

1515
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 1: I certainly remember the growling and everything the bear was making. Um,

1516
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 1: that's unquestionable. Um. Fortunately, there was no like gnarly bone

1517
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:41,120
Speaker 1: breaks training that I had to endure or hear, or

1518
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 1: crunching or anything like that. It was just her and

1519
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 1: I remember kind of the snorts and the breathing and

1520
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 1: the smells. No, I you know, I know that sounds

1521
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 1: kind of funny because I know smells are some of

1522
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:57,599
Speaker 1: the biggest It's it's the number one cent that recalls memory.

1523
01:16:57,920 --> 01:16:59,639
Speaker 1: And no, I don't really have a lot of smells,

1524
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 1: probably because there wasn't a whole lot besides moisture in

1525
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:04,559
Speaker 1: the air, you know for me to smell um, given

1526
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 1: the conditions and the winds, and probably the same reason

1527
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 1: why she didn't smell me either. And that's all I

1528
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 1: can think of. But yeah, I hadn't really thought about

1529
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 1: the smells too much. But but they heard the impact

1530
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:18,559
Speaker 1: of her teeth and yeah, no, it certainly felt it

1531
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 1: and um and and new. But it was, you know,

1532
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 1: definitely kind of surreal and it's it's weird because whenever

1533
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:29,880
Speaker 1: I think back upon it, too, is kind of different

1534
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:33,280
Speaker 1: visions of the same thing. Not necessarily PTSD or anything,

1535
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:36,679
Speaker 1: but I definitely, uh think back on it and different

1536
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 1: points of view of being in the first person and

1537
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:40,599
Speaker 1: also in third person just like experienced the same thing.

1538
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 1: So it's kind of unique, but um yeah, quite quite

1539
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:49,559
Speaker 1: the experience there. The the treatment portion in itself was,

1540
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 1: um pretty funny too. One of the um so the

1541
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:59,160
Speaker 1: other two after everything happening, you know, they finished, Yes, yes,

1542
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:01,800
Speaker 1: return to the timeline. I definitely had to get to

1543
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 1: it because it is kind of funny. And I got

1544
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 1: a really good bunch of group group of guys with me,

1545
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 1: and one of them has some pretty good medical experience

1546
01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 1: he's had in his past, and um, he came over

1547
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 1: and everybody's kind of getting their ducts in a row,

1548
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 1: so to speak, and delegating stuff out and uh, guys

1549
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 1: are reloading because they're also we're also thinking, Hey, the

1550
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 1: cub or multiple cubs could still be around, Like, doesn't

1551
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:27,120
Speaker 1: mean they can't come back, Like cub can mess you

1552
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 1: up just as well as you know, MoMA bear could,

1553
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 1: especially when it might be you know, ticked off them

1554
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 1: protective of mom embarrass The guys were, you know, very

1555
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 1: weary of that as well, but fortunately never never saw

1556
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 1: the cub and uh, they immediately just start breaking out

1557
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:48,400
Speaker 1: the UM SATH phone. Dorman reaches and getting on those

1558
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:51,680
Speaker 1: and UH Dorman reached, they activated the S O S

1559
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:54,080
Speaker 1: beacon was on it, and UM, guys are getting on

1560
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:57,960
Speaker 1: the SAT phone making phone calls. So as this was happening,

1561
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 1: you know, as I said, I'm kicking off my clothing,

1562
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 1: it was a kid just like unzipping stuff and then

1563
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:05,639
Speaker 1: trying to get stuff out. And I had my AID

1564
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:07,599
Speaker 1: kit and I'm telling them where that is, and and

1565
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:10,600
Speaker 1: they were using their own aid kits as well. And

1566
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:12,640
Speaker 1: the guy that was working on me, he's, you know,

1567
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:15,559
Speaker 1: starts to get his shears out and he's cutting all

1568
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 1: the clothing off on me and uh and trying to

1569
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 1: get out the wounds. And immediately when he came up

1570
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 1: to me, I told him like, hey, I need to

1571
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 1: trying to get on my right leg. Um, just practice

1572
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:26,360
Speaker 1: that we've done before, because I knew that the leg

1573
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:28,719
Speaker 1: took the worst and I was nervous about any type

1574
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 1: of like heavy artery damage it could be. And UM,

1575
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 1: certainly where the wounds were Fortunately that wasn't the case,

1576
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 1: but it still could have been under the circumstances, especially

1577
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 1: couldn't move my legs. So was there a lot of blood?

1578
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 1: I mean there was significant, but really there wasn't um

1579
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 1: certainly not enough to put me in the shock or anything.

1580
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 1: Just you know a fair bit of blood just from

1581
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 1: you know, the trauma. But but of course I'm like

1582
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 1: wearing you know, uh ones that of pants and then

1583
01:19:57,200 --> 01:19:59,639
Speaker 1: rain pants and then gators and then boots, so everything

1584
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:01,760
Speaker 1: is kind covering everything so you can't really see these sides.

1585
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 1: Just a bunch of puncture wounds everywhere, like holes in

1586
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:07,639
Speaker 1: the clothing. So once he starts cutting everything off, he's

1587
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 1: kind of sees him rolls me over and he's like, okay,

1588
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 1: we can take the turniquet off because like it was good.

1589
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 1: We're just gonna pack this. The blood is not that bad.

1590
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:17,760
Speaker 1: And uh, I was like, and the only thing going

1591
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 1: through my head is because I've had some training with

1592
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 1: tourniquets and stuff before, Like, Okay, we're gonna go real

1593
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 1: slow because I don't I want to lose my leg

1594
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 1: because it's happened before where guys have taken tourniquets off

1595
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 1: too fast and that rush of blood back into the appendage. Well,

1596
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 1: just that's how you lose one. So a little nervous

1597
01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:36,680
Speaker 1: on that point. But we're kind of we're going through

1598
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:38,200
Speaker 1: and he's looking at the wounds like, Okay, they're not

1599
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:39,840
Speaker 1: that bad, and I'm trying to point out other wounds.

1600
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 1: But I knew that the leg was the worst. But

1601
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:43,160
Speaker 1: as soon as you kind of get through it, I'm like, hey,

1602
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:46,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, but I need you to I need you

1603
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:48,640
Speaker 1: to look at my taint. I'm like, I'm like, I

1604
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:52,320
Speaker 1: know because I remember that. And I was like, ok yeah, no, no,

1605
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:54,640
Speaker 1: I was laughing. I was just saying I'm telling you,

1606
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:57,760
Speaker 1: like I'll have to show you pictures afterwards. But I

1607
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:00,120
Speaker 1: was going through the moment of it and I'm like, okay, no,

1608
01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 1: homo here, but I really needs you to check my

1609
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:03,760
Speaker 1: taint and he's like, okay. It's like, you know, you know,

1610
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 1: un does it pulls up my you know, underwear, but

1611
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 1: it's kind of underneath and looks and he's like, no,

1612
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:10,639
Speaker 1: you're good, but my okay, but I knew something was wrong,

1613
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 1: like it doesn't feel right, and he you know, kind

1614
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 1: of goes back, uh, you know, through looking, you know,

1615
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:21,120
Speaker 1: cutting off other pieces of clothing and uh, I might no, man,

1616
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:22,640
Speaker 1: like something's not right. I needs you to I need

1617
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 1: to really. So he cuts off the pants, like to

1618
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:28,439
Speaker 1: my underwear at least this point, and like lift up

1619
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:30,719
Speaker 1: the underwear and even before you can see the underwear

1620
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:33,080
Speaker 1: or just a whole in it with just blood everywhere,

1621
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:36,720
Speaker 1: and like, damn it. So it lifts it up and

1622
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:39,599
Speaker 1: like yep, I'm like just looking down like just as

1623
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:42,040
Speaker 1: you know, looking underneath minder where I'm like, yep, there

1624
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:45,800
Speaker 1: it is. There's my testicle hanging out like great, and

1625
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:47,559
Speaker 1: uh you know he sees it. Two It's like okay,

1626
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 1: and uh you know, I just reached down like I

1627
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 1: gotta put that back in, pretending like that that happened dude.

1628
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 1: And uh so then of course that's all that was

1629
01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:00,640
Speaker 1: on the mine. I'm my gosh, damn it. I'm like,

1630
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 1: you gotta be shipping me. And I'm also like still wear.

1631
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:05,679
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I know my arm in my back

1632
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:07,680
Speaker 1: is kind of messed up. I'm like, okay, here's one here,

1633
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:08,960
Speaker 1: and I'm like I tell him he cuts it off.

1634
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:10,680
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, okay, I see it, and you know,

1635
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:13,720
Speaker 1: they're packing those wounds as well, and but it's still

1636
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 1: in my min. I'm like, hey, does anybody have any

1637
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 1: like a sock or something I can sub down there

1638
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:22,680
Speaker 1: like top out again. I was still attached though. Oh

1639
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:25,400
Speaker 1: it was you know, like little nunchucks, you know, hanging out.

1640
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 1: Baby's still down. There's still good. But so you felt

1641
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:33,439
Speaker 1: like it's attached. Yeah, It's like it's gotta be still good.

1642
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:36,800
Speaker 1: And there's just been like a you know, like the

1643
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:39,760
Speaker 1: bubble is burst. Yeah, And I'm like, man, I know

1644
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,280
Speaker 1: guys have like bisectovies and stuff, but like it doesn't

1645
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:44,160
Speaker 1: come out. They just like reached in there and you know,

1646
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:46,640
Speaker 1: make a little snip snip and it's good. You know,

1647
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 1: cut the little whatever it is down there, vas difference

1648
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:51,640
Speaker 1: whatever it is. And uh, I'm like, oh man, you

1649
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:53,920
Speaker 1: gotta be kidding me. And so of course it was

1650
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 1: on my mind. I'm like nervous about it coming back out,

1651
01:22:56,439 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 1: and so I'm like I was asking that he didn't

1652
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:00,559
Speaker 1: get it like a sock. I I just didn't wanted

1653
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:02,719
Speaker 1: to pop out like what I'm getting moved around and stuff.

1654
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:06,639
Speaker 1: I'm like, gosh, damn it, bandana or yeah, exactly something.

1655
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:09,040
Speaker 1: It's like yeah, it's like it's it's in the underwear,

1656
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 1: like it's good, like not gonna focus on it, but

1657
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:14,519
Speaker 1: of course I'm focused on it. And uh, the jokes

1658
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:17,800
Speaker 1: just start coming out immediately, like guys like, don't worry

1659
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:20,919
Speaker 1: about him, man, you need one, like you still have kids,

1660
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:25,840
Speaker 1: like really like lighthearted guys. And I'm just laughing. Honestly,

1661
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:27,639
Speaker 1: I was in really good spirits to the whole thing,

1662
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:29,920
Speaker 1: like he wasn't gonna die. I knew nothing bad was

1663
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:32,759
Speaker 1: gonna happen. I'm laughing too, and we're cracking jokes and really,

1664
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:36,439
Speaker 1: you know, barely made it out. You know, it's made

1665
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:39,040
Speaker 1: bare jokes as you can make immediately, and it just

1666
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 1: started sation hairy situation, and uh it was great. But

1667
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:47,080
Speaker 1: I know they found some like little scary strip type

1668
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:49,920
Speaker 1: things and put that on there. And of course, you know,

1669
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:52,439
Speaker 1: if you have any type of organs are about, you're

1670
01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:53,800
Speaker 1: never supposed to put him back in. So that was

1671
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 1: also kind of a thing like no, I'm gonna that's okay,

1672
01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:57,640
Speaker 1: I'll put him back in, Like I don't want that

1673
01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 1: thing just hanging around willy nilly, I'm putting that back.

1674
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 1: It's going in against the medical advice. I'm putting it

1675
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:07,760
Speaker 1: back in Alright, there's there's no just yeah, I hope.

1676
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:09,600
Speaker 1: I was like, I never want anybody to experience that

1677
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 1: because that's not a fun feeling just seeing it, like

1678
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:14,559
Speaker 1: hanging out as a podcast host speechless, right, yeah, continue,

1679
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:17,719
Speaker 1: I have nothing to add to the conversation. There's nothing

1680
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 1: I can say, so, uh is at this point I'm

1681
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:25,679
Speaker 1: kind of patched up and the guys are getting out there,

1682
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:28,439
Speaker 1: you know, puff Jacketson's leading Jacketson trying to cover me

1683
01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 1: back up because I'm essentially kind of naked on one

1684
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:33,720
Speaker 1: half of my body and giving the conditions, it was

1685
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:37,240
Speaker 1: pretty brutal, and I gotta say with the whole experience,

1686
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:39,719
Speaker 1: that was certainly the worst part was just in during

1687
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 1: the cold. And I'm certainly no stranger to cold living

1688
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 1: up there, being from Maine before that and doing a

1689
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:50,400
Speaker 1: lot of type of outdoor training UM and having experiences

1690
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:54,000
Speaker 1: I know, the cold, but that one I was just Jackhamer.

1691
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:56,680
Speaker 1: It was it was hard going UM waiting on the

1692
01:24:56,680 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 1: coach guard which we had gotten in contact with UM

1693
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 1: via the satphone, So how quickly, how quickly to the

1694
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 1: wounds are dressed as well as they could the test

1695
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:10,719
Speaker 1: goles back in its place. Everything is is you guys

1696
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 1: feel like stable at this point? How quickly did that

1697
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:17,719
Speaker 1: happen until you were making those calls and expecting the rescue.

1698
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 1: So um, we were on the bird. We had no

1699
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 1: idea what to expect with them as time wise and

1700
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 1: how soon that they would get there. Um getting spun up.

1701
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:29,320
Speaker 1: It's it's not a long flight like it's only like

1702
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:33,599
Speaker 1: I want to say, minutes for them to fly um

1703
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:35,720
Speaker 1: from the base to a to a fog neck. As

1704
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:37,599
Speaker 1: we talked about before. It's a scary thing just because

1705
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 1: the weather you don't know, it changed so quickly exactly,

1706
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:43,840
Speaker 1: and there the cloud cover had kind of lifted. It

1707
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 1: wasn't as low as it had been earlier in the day,

1708
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:49,360
Speaker 1: so that was certainly a blessing, but it still wasn't

1709
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 1: great conditions by any means either, And of course they

1710
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:54,439
Speaker 1: still had to find us. But we were walking them on.

1711
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 1: Guys were joining on the spot with grid coordinates, UM,

1712
01:25:58,160 --> 01:26:00,200
Speaker 1: passing them like Latin long whenever they needed to in

1713
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:03,800
Speaker 1: and got them to cordings and walked him on there.

1714
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:06,240
Speaker 1: But I did want to touch out on on one

1715
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 1: piece because you mentioned earlier and that was a learning

1716
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:14,400
Speaker 1: point for us. Is the dorm in reach, so the

1717
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:19,080
Speaker 1: in reach SUS button reactivated it nobody is what like

1718
01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:22,680
Speaker 1: the dolrum in reach is a it's a GPS slash,

1719
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:25,600
Speaker 1: you know, GPS communicator that you can text on. I

1720
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 1: use it to text my wife still staying good graces

1721
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:31,360
Speaker 1: when I'm on. And on the side of it, there's

1722
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 1: an s OS button. You can peel back this this

1723
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:37,439
Speaker 1: plastic you know, rubber covering and push this SS button

1724
01:26:37,439 --> 01:26:41,759
Speaker 1: that's supposed to send a signal out a beacon and um,

1725
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 1: something happened bad, come get me exactly. That's it. And

1726
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 1: you know, we use it for the primary reason just

1727
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:48,479
Speaker 1: like you said, texting is one of the biggest things.

1728
01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:50,280
Speaker 1: When we're off there, we can't text any other means

1729
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:52,680
Speaker 1: and we're not gonna waste minutes in time on the

1730
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:56,439
Speaker 1: SAT phone. So it's been great for that. However, we

1731
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 1: never really knew what the SUS going to do, you know,

1732
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 1: like most of the around for somebody comes save me, know,

1733
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:05,519
Speaker 1: save our souls. You know, that's literally what it is.

1734
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 1: And we activated unfortunately had the SAT or the SAT

1735
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:12,800
Speaker 1: phone with us, but when we activated it, come to

1736
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:16,519
Speaker 1: find out afterwards, the State troopers got it first. Um

1737
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:18,280
Speaker 1: talked to State trooper when I was in the hospital

1738
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, it's like they got the call first,

1739
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:23,760
Speaker 1: but by the time they got the call didn't really

1740
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 1: know what it was. They just knew was some sort

1741
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 1: of emergency beacon no idea this situation. I think it

1742
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 1: gives him uh GPS coordinate and it just tells him

1743
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 1: something bad has happened. That's pretty much it. And probably

1744
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 1: the user name, I think whatever his information is it

1745
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 1: because it wasn't my my dorm and she's somebody else's

1746
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:46,599
Speaker 1: mind was just bright exactly. And so that went out

1747
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:49,840
Speaker 1: and by the time they had any inclination of what

1748
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:52,280
Speaker 1: was going on what it was, coast guards already spent

1749
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:54,360
Speaker 1: up on our way. So saw like they were really

1750
01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 1: you know, quick to react like that they were because

1751
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:59,680
Speaker 1: we had him on the SAT without a phone. Then

1752
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:01,720
Speaker 1: it would have been like, okay, they would have had

1753
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:03,280
Speaker 1: to call the coast guard. The coast guard would have

1754
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:04,840
Speaker 1: had no idea what was going on. They would have

1755
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:07,559
Speaker 1: had reached out on the dolorum, you know, And and

1756
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's by a text how that

1757
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:12,519
Speaker 1: would go down or or what, but it would have

1758
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:16,440
Speaker 1: been a little bit different, maybe even longer. And uh

1759
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 1: so as this was going down, Um, I'm just knna,

1760
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 1: you know, sitting there waiting at this point, there's nothing

1761
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:24,400
Speaker 1: else to do. The guys that weren't on the comms piece,

1762
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 1: we're just kind of cutting branches because we knew, you know,

1763
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:30,240
Speaker 1: getting a burden, they're gonna come lift me out. And

1764
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 1: uh so they're just kind of cutting down branches in

1765
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:35,160
Speaker 1: the area, trying to clear you know, pave away couldn't

1766
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:41,360
Speaker 1: really move. Um I think, you know, given different circumstances,

1767
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:43,240
Speaker 1: I didn't have another bunch of guys around me, and

1768
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:46,400
Speaker 1: if I was, so, it would have been just a

1769
01:28:46,439 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 1: hoilacious straight like who knows would have what or could

1770
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:52,000
Speaker 1: have happened, you know, But fortunately that was not the case.

1771
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:54,639
Speaker 1: The other two guys and other two guys are hunting

1772
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:56,880
Speaker 1: parties still don't know this is going on, or you know,

1773
01:28:56,920 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 1: they were with us. The other two that were separate,

1774
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:02,120
Speaker 1: they heard all the commotion, they came up. Yeah it

1775
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:04,479
Speaker 1: was it was that guy or one of the two

1776
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:06,000
Speaker 1: that actually he came up and he was one of

1777
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:10,920
Speaker 1: treating my wounds all together. Yeah, everybody's everybody pitched in

1778
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:13,160
Speaker 1: and it was the other guy from the other party

1779
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:16,360
Speaker 1: that he uh, um was on the sat phone and

1780
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:18,880
Speaker 1: he was doing that piece. So kind of everybody's you know,

1781
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:21,280
Speaker 1: finding a job doing something at this point, like I said,

1782
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 1: really really text but couldn't went down any every any better.

1783
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:26,519
Speaker 1: What's far But he's doing, you know, a job or

1784
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:30,760
Speaker 1: looking for something to do, and uh yeah, at that

1785
01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:32,360
Speaker 1: point in time, it was just sit and wait and

1786
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 1: they're talking to him on the bird and bird comes

1787
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 1: in and um, you know, hoist the guy down first.

1788
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:40,599
Speaker 1: And he kind of comes and assesses me and ask

1789
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:44,840
Speaker 1: me questions and I'm completely coherent, answering them good spirits, YadA,

1790
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:48,479
Speaker 1: YadA YadA, checking everything over. They come up with a

1791
01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:50,840
Speaker 1: plan of action to get the litter down and then

1792
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:53,360
Speaker 1: put me on the litter and then uh and hoist

1793
01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:56,760
Speaker 1: me up. Um. The whole process definitely took longer than

1794
01:29:56,760 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 1: I would have liked. I think it U did it? Ever,

1795
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:04,040
Speaker 1: I don't I know. The incident happened right around one ten.

1796
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:07,519
Speaker 1: I think it's in The attack happened, and I didn't

1797
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:09,080
Speaker 1: have a chance to check my watch and everything. The

1798
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:12,080
Speaker 1: hospital they took it all off, but it was like

1799
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:13,960
Speaker 1: roughly from what I heard about two and a half

1800
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:17,599
Speaker 1: hours later that I was actually at the hospital. So

1801
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:21,479
Speaker 1: blessing going out to the coast guards. Still save my

1802
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:25,559
Speaker 1: ass but that definitely if it was a fatal wound,

1803
01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:28,519
Speaker 1: like you know, there's no question there's been a fatal wounded.

1804
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:30,760
Speaker 1: The well out of the golden hour like one hour period,

1805
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:32,679
Speaker 1: we're like, okay, you know my life might have been safe.

1806
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:38,120
Speaker 1: So still save my ass. Um wasn't too happy about

1807
01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:43,719
Speaker 1: their their hoist camera that they have so on there,

1808
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:48,679
Speaker 1: Uh they're they're helicopter they have they have a hoist

1809
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:50,640
Speaker 1: camera like going right down the cable like where it's

1810
01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:54,360
Speaker 1: lefting me up and immediately immediately as soon as it

1811
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:56,719
Speaker 1: went down, like they had that camera footage of hoisting

1812
01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:59,320
Speaker 1: me up, you know, off the ground and posted on

1813
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:02,759
Speaker 1: Facebook like social media. So I love the coach guys

1814
01:31:02,760 --> 01:31:05,040
Speaker 1: still saying my ask that they immediately posted that so

1815
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:08,360
Speaker 1: for what a reason, I don't know, for their own reason,

1816
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:10,559
Speaker 1: like hey, you know, save the hiker you know hunter

1817
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:16,360
Speaker 1: or whatever you know, uh from from and again like

1818
01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:18,360
Speaker 1: I give it to him percent. It's like, hey, you

1819
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:20,800
Speaker 1: know I would absolutely give them you know, the save

1820
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:22,599
Speaker 1: the rescue and good for them, but I was kind

1821
01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:25,760
Speaker 1: of like, man, to post it immediately, it made me

1822
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:28,120
Speaker 1: and other guys more upset because I had other guys

1823
01:31:28,240 --> 01:31:30,200
Speaker 1: you know that I know, and they were out in

1824
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:34,400
Speaker 1: the field and or you know, outside of of work,

1825
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:37,639
Speaker 1: and they found out through Facebook before they found out

1826
01:31:37,640 --> 01:31:41,280
Speaker 1: from guys like phone calls like hey, you know, uh,

1827
01:31:41,439 --> 01:31:43,439
Speaker 1: guy just got mauled, you know whatever else, like through

1828
01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:48,360
Speaker 1: any anything else. And uh, fortunately my my folks didn't

1829
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:50,280
Speaker 1: find out that way. You know, I called and when

1830
01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:51,800
Speaker 1: I got to the the hospital. But I'm kind of like,

1831
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:54,479
Speaker 1: that's that's pretty much. That's pretty messed up to do it,

1832
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:57,200
Speaker 1: you know, so so soon. And I'm like, yeah, it

1833
01:31:57,240 --> 01:31:59,080
Speaker 1: didn't make me happy, and I do want to give

1834
01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:01,040
Speaker 1: him the rescue everything, but I was like, man, that's

1835
01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:05,640
Speaker 1: pretty unprofessional. As far as I would agree with that wholeheartedly,

1836
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:09,400
Speaker 1: it's like marketing their bill of the Yeah, and again

1837
01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:12,479
Speaker 1: I'm not against them doing they do a lot of things.

1838
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:15,519
Speaker 1: They're like they are the biggest base you know, is

1839
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:18,559
Speaker 1: in Kodiak for the coach guard, and rightfully so, they

1840
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:20,280
Speaker 1: save a lot a lot of I know, like you're

1841
01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:25,600
Speaker 1: saying that, yeah, all props for the life saving efforts.

1842
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:31,720
Speaker 1: But come on, ye, streamline, come on streamline that social process. Ye.

1843
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:34,800
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's was there moments in the waiting because

1844
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:38,120
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about like sounds and smells of

1845
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:41,760
Speaker 1: the attack, right, but are there are moments in the

1846
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:46,040
Speaker 1: waiting to be rescued? Um in air quotes? I guess

1847
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:49,880
Speaker 1: where things started to settle in your mind as to

1848
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:52,320
Speaker 1: what happened or was it still a tactical you know,

1849
01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:54,120
Speaker 1: I gotta get out of here. I need to stay alive.

1850
01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:56,960
Speaker 1: I need to get you know what. You you obviously

1851
01:32:57,000 --> 01:32:59,840
Speaker 1: weren't given any duties. You had to you know, lay

1852
01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:03,360
Speaker 1: there or be warm and be stable. That's pretty much it.

1853
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:05,719
Speaker 1: So during that time, do you remember your mind drifting

1854
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:09,880
Speaker 1: to any particular things other than you know, I was

1855
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:13,880
Speaker 1: pretty focused in a moment still, Um No, I never.

1856
01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:18,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm a very determined, focused kind of individual,

1857
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:20,639
Speaker 1: and guys that know me know the same thing that

1858
01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:25,720
Speaker 1: I definitely don't let anybody tell me how things are

1859
01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:27,360
Speaker 1: gonna go or how I'm gonna live my life, or

1860
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:29,240
Speaker 1: how things is gonna turn out or odds or anything

1861
01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:31,640
Speaker 1: like that really kind of drives me and forces me

1862
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:35,200
Speaker 1: to work even harder so the only thoughts going through

1863
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:37,080
Speaker 1: my mind is like, okay, cool, well, I wonder how

1864
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:39,040
Speaker 1: long this is gonna take before him back to doing

1865
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 1: the same old things I'm gonna be doing. Like nothing

1866
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:45,040
Speaker 1: in my mind was like, oh I'm limp biscuit now.

1867
01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:46,960
Speaker 1: Besides like the jokes of like, hm, I wonder if

1868
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:49,479
Speaker 1: I can have kids, but I'm single, Like I don't

1869
01:33:49,479 --> 01:33:52,479
Speaker 1: have a girlfriend, you know, no wife, no kids, anybody else.

1870
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:55,040
Speaker 1: It's like it's like, you know what, if I'm gonna

1871
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:56,920
Speaker 1: approved this, I'm gonna prove it. You know, however many

1872
01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:59,000
Speaker 1: years down the road, like if that's even gonna happen.

1873
01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:01,639
Speaker 1: So uh yeah, the only thing going through my mind

1874
01:34:01,680 --> 01:34:03,000
Speaker 1: is like, all right, I wonder how long it's gonna

1875
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:06,800
Speaker 1: take me out of the picture, you know. Just yeah,

1876
01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:09,120
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of like, okay, what's next. Like I

1877
01:34:09,240 --> 01:34:13,320
Speaker 1: survived like none whatsoever, and I was just I was

1878
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:16,400
Speaker 1: really really proud, I guess of the guys that were

1879
01:34:16,439 --> 01:34:18,599
Speaker 1: with me and thankful. It was like, hey, it's like

1880
01:34:19,479 --> 01:34:21,920
Speaker 1: kind of got me thinking, and um, you know, I

1881
01:34:22,479 --> 01:34:26,080
Speaker 1: know we briefly touched on her earlier, uh when we

1882
01:34:26,120 --> 01:34:28,320
Speaker 1: talked about like guns and like everybody having side arms

1883
01:34:28,360 --> 01:34:32,120
Speaker 1: and uh uh when certain guys like decided like, okay,

1884
01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:34,000
Speaker 1: we're only going after the one elk, not everybody's gonna

1885
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:36,000
Speaker 1: get shoot, and some guys decided like, okay, just leave

1886
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:39,080
Speaker 1: the rifles behind. Because we all knew when we made

1887
01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:41,960
Speaker 1: our planet, like we already had a base camp set up,

1888
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:44,559
Speaker 1: that this hunt was going to be like Okay, we

1889
01:34:44,640 --> 01:34:46,439
Speaker 1: know where there are, this is gonna be super light,

1890
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:48,760
Speaker 1: just bringing the absolute minimum so we can carry it

1891
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:50,599
Speaker 1: the most amount of meat like all in the goes

1892
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:52,760
Speaker 1: that we can and with the amount of guys, like

1893
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:54,880
Speaker 1: we figured five guys, we can definitely haul a whole

1894
01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:58,120
Speaker 1: thing out in one go. Like everybody takes like a

1895
01:34:58,240 --> 01:35:00,640
Speaker 1: quarter and then you know whatever organ meats and like

1896
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:02,479
Speaker 1: backstraps and turnalains and all that kind of stuff and

1897
01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:05,360
Speaker 1: then the uh, the rack. But we're like, yeah, we

1898
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:07,439
Speaker 1: can do this in one go, so everybody's light lightening

1899
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:11,679
Speaker 1: the load and um definitely kind of eye opening, especially

1900
01:35:11,720 --> 01:35:13,320
Speaker 1: even me, Like I said, I was really excited about

1901
01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:14,680
Speaker 1: having the six five creem more. But now that I

1902
01:35:14,680 --> 01:35:17,240
Speaker 1: think about Mike, Okay, well, I'm not so much of

1903
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:20,679
Speaker 1: a you know, an asset. If there is a bear

1904
01:35:20,720 --> 01:35:22,639
Speaker 1: in the area or something like that that would have happened.

1905
01:35:22,640 --> 01:35:26,200
Speaker 1: And all of us have talked in the past, you

1906
01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:28,800
Speaker 1: know what we're doing with the bear charges, and a

1907
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:30,439
Speaker 1: lot of us spend a lot of time with the range,

1908
01:35:30,439 --> 01:35:33,120
Speaker 1: a lot of time shooting, and um, very savvy, I

1909
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:35,439
Speaker 1: would say, but all of us kind of know too.

1910
01:35:35,479 --> 01:35:38,360
Speaker 1: Is like, especially in this situation, just as mine, no

1911
01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:39,880
Speaker 1: time to take a shot, Like if you have a

1912
01:35:39,880 --> 01:35:41,640
Speaker 1: pistol or anything like, maybe you get a couple of

1913
01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:43,920
Speaker 1: shots off. You never know, But we always say that,

1914
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:46,519
Speaker 1: like that that pistol or that rightfley you have on you,

1915
01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:48,800
Speaker 1: it's not for you, it's for the other guy. Like

1916
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:50,920
Speaker 1: you're always carrying it. So if somebody else is the

1917
01:35:50,920 --> 01:35:52,760
Speaker 1: one that gets attacked, you're Johnny on the spot to

1918
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:56,080
Speaker 1: go and and take that thing down immediately. So, yes,

1919
01:35:56,120 --> 01:35:58,880
Speaker 1: you're there to defend yourself, but the probability is less

1920
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:00,479
Speaker 1: that you're gonna be able to do that. It's in

1921
01:36:00,520 --> 01:36:04,320
Speaker 1: defense of you know, somebody else. So um, huge proponent

1922
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:06,200
Speaker 1: of that and thinking that way, But it also got

1923
01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:08,680
Speaker 1: me thinking like, okay, well, yeah, maybe I shouldn't be

1924
01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:11,120
Speaker 1: carrying that really really light rifle because of you know

1925
01:36:11,160 --> 01:36:14,599
Speaker 1: said cases. And so I think that's kind of changed, um,

1926
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:19,320
Speaker 1: some of our standards, you know, for what we're gonna

1927
01:36:19,320 --> 01:36:21,479
Speaker 1: do later on. And and for me, I think one

1928
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:24,200
Speaker 1: of the big lessons after as I said, with the cold,

1929
01:36:24,240 --> 01:36:26,920
Speaker 1: were like, Okay, as much as we spend time in

1930
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:31,120
Speaker 1: survival and we're tough bunch of guys and very versed

1931
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:34,080
Speaker 1: in the area, is like from now on, carrying those

1932
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:38,240
Speaker 1: little space blankets, throwing in the first aid get like

1933
01:36:38,280 --> 01:36:40,599
Speaker 1: along with everything, ounce and like yeah, okay, a little

1934
01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:43,040
Speaker 1: bit like another extra ounce or something and ounces to

1935
01:36:43,200 --> 01:36:46,920
Speaker 1: equal pounds. But it's like that would would have been

1936
01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:48,760
Speaker 1: a night and day difference for you know, kind of

1937
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:51,719
Speaker 1: keeping me from just jackhammering. Yeah, And I think that's

1938
01:36:52,040 --> 01:36:55,759
Speaker 1: you know, things like this, like you know, this isn't

1939
01:36:55,880 --> 01:36:59,040
Speaker 1: for me, hearing this story from you is not entertaining.

1940
01:36:59,080 --> 01:37:01,960
Speaker 1: Of course, I'm you know, like I can barely struggle

1941
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:04,920
Speaker 1: even to know what to say to you hearing that.

1942
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:08,600
Speaker 1: But but I think for folks listening these that that

1943
01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:12,679
Speaker 1: type of insight is what's valuable here, is to hear

1944
01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:16,000
Speaker 1: your story and to everybody got holes in their game,

1945
01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:19,519
Speaker 1: and in this case, those holes can lead to death

1946
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:24,240
Speaker 1: or life. And your case, had you not had tourniquets.

1947
01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:27,400
Speaker 1: Had you not had a sat phone, you know, had

1948
01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:30,559
Speaker 1: you not add four other buddies with you, things could

1949
01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:34,040
Speaker 1: could win a lot different, totally different. Yeah, the lessons

1950
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:36,080
Speaker 1: are always you know, learning blood and he saw the

1951
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:38,720
Speaker 1: hard ones. People are stubborn, don't want to change. It's

1952
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:41,080
Speaker 1: like until something serious happens, that's when it kind of

1953
01:37:41,240 --> 01:37:44,280
Speaker 1: such things in perspective and you forge out there listening

1954
01:37:44,280 --> 01:37:46,000
Speaker 1: to this and you're hunting in bear country. I mean,

1955
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:48,600
Speaker 1: these are things that you need to you know, you

1956
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:50,519
Speaker 1: need to think about. You need to think very hard

1957
01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:53,479
Speaker 1: about how you prepare and in what holes are in

1958
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:56,960
Speaker 1: your game, and if something should happen, what the contingencies are,

1959
01:37:56,960 --> 01:38:00,759
Speaker 1: because this is I mean, this is this is exactly

1960
01:38:00,760 --> 01:38:07,280
Speaker 1: what everyone figures absolutely well. Just you know, when you

1961
01:38:07,320 --> 01:38:09,960
Speaker 1: ask me to talk about it, I've got no qualms

1962
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:11,759
Speaker 1: telling the story. I love telling the stories other people.

1963
01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:14,200
Speaker 1: I've said, it's just practiced for the grandkids, you know,

1964
01:38:14,280 --> 01:38:19,680
Speaker 1: somedays you know, really good to tell all about it.

1965
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:22,400
Speaker 1: And but I did think about them, like, okay, it

1966
01:38:22,520 --> 01:38:25,519
Speaker 1: is good perspective and by no means any type of

1967
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:27,439
Speaker 1: expert on the matter now, just because you know I

1968
01:38:27,479 --> 01:38:30,479
Speaker 1: went through this experience, But I think it does kind

1969
01:38:30,479 --> 01:38:34,519
Speaker 1: of open some eyes and doors to what you can

1970
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:37,040
Speaker 1: tell people because so often it's like you just hear

1971
01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:38,519
Speaker 1: people talk, you know, it's like, oh, what do you

1972
01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:41,360
Speaker 1: do this type of experience, but really don't have any experiences.

1973
01:38:41,439 --> 01:38:43,719
Speaker 1: You know, their experiences ended, you know, with a bluff

1974
01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:47,240
Speaker 1: charge that they had once and you use what you got.

1975
01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:50,240
Speaker 1: And yes, there's a lot of common sense that comes

1976
01:38:50,280 --> 01:38:52,760
Speaker 1: into as as a factor for what you're gonna do

1977
01:38:52,840 --> 01:38:55,839
Speaker 1: out there. But uh, you know, definitely being through the process,

1978
01:38:55,920 --> 01:38:58,400
Speaker 1: I know it won't always go down the same never

1979
01:38:58,439 --> 01:39:01,200
Speaker 1: go down exactly that way ever again you know somebody else,

1980
01:39:01,240 --> 01:39:05,679
Speaker 1: but um, it is kind of lesson you know, people

1981
01:39:05,680 --> 01:39:07,320
Speaker 1: that I work with and talk to and see now

1982
01:39:07,320 --> 01:39:08,800
Speaker 1: it's like okay, now I can kind of touch on

1983
01:39:08,840 --> 01:39:11,360
Speaker 1: those things and know what's gonna work and probably Okay,

1984
01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:14,280
Speaker 1: this isn't the smart thing to be. Yeah, solo hunting

1985
01:39:14,280 --> 01:39:16,599
Speaker 1: and bear country exactly. There is a risk, man, It's

1986
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:20,040
Speaker 1: a hard risk for sure. What the story that always

1987
01:39:20,040 --> 01:39:23,439
Speaker 1: comes up and I laugh about all the time is, uh,

1988
01:39:23,680 --> 01:39:26,599
Speaker 1: Leonardo Dicapri and the Revenant. Everyone brings out up all

1989
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:29,040
Speaker 1: the time. So I've got a great little picture with

1990
01:39:29,080 --> 01:39:31,280
Speaker 1: the meme on it says Leo can suck it as

1991
01:39:31,280 --> 01:39:35,120
Speaker 1: he's getting attacked by the bear, and uh, I was.

1992
01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:37,599
Speaker 1: I was aware of the hue Glass story well before

1993
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:40,080
Speaker 1: the movie, before the event, and uh and knew it well.

1994
01:39:40,120 --> 01:39:43,240
Speaker 1: And that guy's for sure badass. And the movie didn't

1995
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:45,400
Speaker 1: quite do adjice on how it really went down. You know,

1996
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:49,519
Speaker 1: um no, and it doesn't in the real story. You know,

1997
01:39:49,560 --> 01:39:51,559
Speaker 1: he didn't he didn't kill it or anything. They finished

1998
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:54,160
Speaker 1: off like with twenty plus dudies or whatever, just you know,

1999
01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:57,400
Speaker 1: unloading on it with with guns and he got some

2000
01:39:57,479 --> 01:39:59,360
Speaker 1: knife strikes in. But you can see how beat up

2001
01:39:59,400 --> 01:40:01,599
Speaker 1: he gotten. That's a lot of the things that we're

2002
01:40:01,600 --> 01:40:03,800
Speaker 1: going through. My mind is like as badass as the

2003
01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:05,760
Speaker 1: story could have been. And probably everybody wants to hear

2004
01:40:05,800 --> 01:40:09,000
Speaker 1: me about me like you know, pulling out my knife

2005
01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:10,760
Speaker 1: and you know, stabbing the bear and like fighting it off.

2006
01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:14,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is a five pound animal, seven foot

2007
01:40:14,120 --> 01:40:18,680
Speaker 1: bear that it's just born bread and knows how to

2008
01:40:18,720 --> 01:40:20,960
Speaker 1: just crush and kill and do everything auntsen. It's like, yeah,

2009
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:22,519
Speaker 1: it would be a great strug, but that's not that's

2010
01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:25,040
Speaker 1: not reality. That's the movies for you, you know. And

2011
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:26,840
Speaker 1: and if I was by myself shore like that, we're

2012
01:40:26,840 --> 01:40:28,720
Speaker 1: probably would have changed everything and what I had to do.

2013
01:40:28,920 --> 01:40:31,320
Speaker 1: And and who knows if it would have left left

2014
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:34,200
Speaker 1: me alone or if I would have had to fight it,

2015
01:40:34,240 --> 01:40:37,200
Speaker 1: and if I had to fight it. Man be hard

2016
01:40:37,240 --> 01:40:40,000
Speaker 1: to think about, like who certainly in this situation, it's

2017
01:40:40,040 --> 01:40:43,320
Speaker 1: not man versus bear because there's nothing. It's you're not

2018
01:40:43,439 --> 01:40:46,439
Speaker 1: facing off with this bear. And and and for point

2019
01:40:46,439 --> 01:40:49,120
Speaker 1: of fact, you know you guys killed this bear and

2020
01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:51,479
Speaker 1: you were telling me afterwards, this is seven and a

2021
01:40:51,479 --> 01:41:01,320
Speaker 1: half foot giant, giant giant bear ya um. And the weight,

2022
01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:07,439
Speaker 1: the the impact of of that animal, it's not something

2023
01:41:07,439 --> 01:41:09,840
Speaker 1: that you can fight back. No, I just can't, not

2024
01:41:09,920 --> 01:41:13,759
Speaker 1: at all. And the of course I'm fascinating the subject

2025
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:16,320
Speaker 1: wasn't even before being around bears all the time. But

2026
01:41:16,720 --> 01:41:19,040
Speaker 1: you see the mallings and the stories and and most

2027
01:41:19,080 --> 01:41:21,760
Speaker 1: people don't survive the mallings. And they do happen, um

2028
01:41:22,280 --> 01:41:24,479
Speaker 1: if they're like actually mauled and not just like you

2029
01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:28,760
Speaker 1: know shot, um when it happens, they're just if they

2030
01:41:28,840 --> 01:41:32,760
Speaker 1: got anything in the front of you, like people's just

2031
01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:35,439
Speaker 1: face faces are never the same again, like they ripping

2032
01:41:35,439 --> 01:41:39,519
Speaker 1: out organs everything else, and and I knew that. And again,

2033
01:41:39,640 --> 01:41:42,360
Speaker 1: like I said, there's no bravado here, Like my bravado

2034
01:41:42,479 --> 01:41:45,240
Speaker 1: was thinking about like if I die, I'm no good

2035
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:47,880
Speaker 1: to anybody. It's like, and then everybody else is gonna

2036
01:41:47,880 --> 01:41:49,800
Speaker 1: be the force to deal with that. It's like, I know,

2037
01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:51,639
Speaker 1: it's like I don't need to fight back here. I've

2038
01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:54,360
Speaker 1: got four other guys that are ready to like there'll

2039
01:41:54,360 --> 01:41:56,160
Speaker 1: be Johnny us. But that's a lot of like I said,

2040
01:41:56,160 --> 01:41:57,880
Speaker 1: a lot of it was just trust and the guys

2041
01:41:57,920 --> 01:42:00,240
Speaker 1: that were with me that I'm like, Okay, all you

2042
01:42:00,280 --> 01:42:02,280
Speaker 1: do here is last, Like how am I going to

2043
01:42:03,120 --> 01:42:05,839
Speaker 1: last through this? To be able to give those guys

2044
01:42:06,439 --> 01:42:09,479
Speaker 1: enough kind of awareness and know what's going on and

2045
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:11,000
Speaker 1: be able to get to me in time to do this?

2046
01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:12,760
Speaker 1: Like how can I you know, opens up the best?

2047
01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:14,640
Speaker 1: Like yeah, of course it's very limited in what I

2048
01:42:14,640 --> 01:42:17,160
Speaker 1: could do, but I you know, yelling Albert, hey, at

2049
01:42:17,200 --> 01:42:20,360
Speaker 1: least let somebody know or like not that they heard it.

2050
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:22,200
Speaker 1: They just figured it out through everything else, all the

2051
01:42:22,280 --> 01:42:25,160
Speaker 1: other commotion is going on. But uh, and then protecting

2052
01:42:25,200 --> 01:42:27,720
Speaker 1: myself because it's it's literally all that I could do.

2053
01:42:27,880 --> 01:42:30,760
Speaker 1: There is you know, there's no like, oh, I'm gonna

2054
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:33,439
Speaker 1: block this bear, know, do this? And I've got a

2055
01:42:33,479 --> 01:42:36,880
Speaker 1: great photo that somebody sent me and it's Um actually

2056
01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:38,799
Speaker 1: said just a cold too, and he's like, guess I've

2057
01:42:38,840 --> 01:42:41,080
Speaker 1: got that and I've seen that one and it's bare

2058
01:42:41,160 --> 01:42:44,040
Speaker 1: jiu jitsu and it's got all these different pictures of

2059
01:42:44,120 --> 01:42:47,080
Speaker 1: like doing these movies bears. But it's like one through

2060
01:42:47,120 --> 01:42:49,800
Speaker 1: eight and it's like, you know, you know, bear naked joke,

2061
01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:51,639
Speaker 1: you know, like all that's thrown in there, and then

2062
01:42:51,680 --> 01:42:55,200
Speaker 1: the very real last one is like, realize that you

2063
01:42:55,320 --> 01:42:57,880
Speaker 1: messed up at you know, number two and you died.

2064
01:42:58,479 --> 01:43:03,400
Speaker 1: It's like you're not gonna fly thing. Yeah, he's not

2065
01:43:03,400 --> 01:43:05,080
Speaker 1: gonna happen. How do you I mean, how do you

2066
01:43:05,200 --> 01:43:11,040
Speaker 1: feel now as we sit here? Sometime has passed. Um,

2067
01:43:11,200 --> 01:43:12,439
Speaker 1: I can know the answer to this, but I asked

2068
01:43:12,439 --> 01:43:14,960
Speaker 1: it anyway. How do you feel about that bear? How

2069
01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:17,439
Speaker 1: do you feel about that soal like she's dead, you're

2070
01:43:17,479 --> 01:43:22,599
Speaker 1: alive and you guys got in a tussle. Yeah, Um,

2071
01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:25,519
Speaker 1: how do you how do you feel emotionally about what

2072
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:29,800
Speaker 1: happened like that bear and and her death and the experience? Sure?

2073
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:33,439
Speaker 1: Sure so Um, beaten before I get to the all,

2074
01:43:33,479 --> 01:43:35,559
Speaker 1: I tap on this too, because this probably kind of

2075
01:43:35,560 --> 01:43:38,560
Speaker 1: helps I think a little bit. But so as we

2076
01:43:38,640 --> 01:43:41,000
Speaker 1: found out after it was taking a fishing game and everything,

2077
01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:44,920
Speaker 1: which is by law actually but the initial estimate, but

2078
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:47,800
Speaker 1: she was like nineteen years old, and and later on

2079
01:43:47,880 --> 01:43:50,559
Speaker 1: the guy asked me, he's like thought maybe four. They

2080
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:53,240
Speaker 1: only lived to like five. So this is a very

2081
01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:58,880
Speaker 1: old like angry hags out and you mentioned the grayish color,

2082
01:43:59,720 --> 01:44:01,439
Speaker 1: and so I've never seen a bear that all Like

2083
01:44:01,520 --> 01:44:03,479
Speaker 1: every bear that I've seen is usually the young uns

2084
01:44:03,479 --> 01:44:06,680
Speaker 1: because they're the ones that are more ignorant for lack

2085
01:44:06,720 --> 01:44:09,519
Speaker 1: of a better word, that's hanging around the town. Um

2086
01:44:09,560 --> 01:44:12,400
Speaker 1: just like old bucks. But um so, knowing that, you know,

2087
01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:14,240
Speaker 1: she probably didn't have a lot of time left anyway,

2088
01:44:14,280 --> 01:44:15,800
Speaker 1: and you know she's seen a lot and had a

2089
01:44:16,120 --> 01:44:20,120
Speaker 1: lot of of cubs before that. And the cubs, from

2090
01:44:20,120 --> 01:44:22,360
Speaker 1: what the guy said, we're older. They will hopefully be fine.

2091
01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:30,639
Speaker 1: But going through my mind, I I certainly don't um.

2092
01:44:30,680 --> 01:44:32,360
Speaker 1: I don't agree with the people that get all butt

2093
01:44:32,439 --> 01:44:34,800
Speaker 1: hurt and be like, oh the poor bear and like

2094
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:36,960
Speaker 1: everything else, and Mike, that kind of gets annoying. It

2095
01:44:37,080 --> 01:44:39,680
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I just got bald. You know,

2096
01:44:39,720 --> 01:44:41,200
Speaker 1: like I don't feel bad for the bear at all.

2097
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:44,000
Speaker 1: What I do feel bad for it's like, okay, yeah,

2098
01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:47,000
Speaker 1: the bear could have produced more bears and like and

2099
01:44:47,000 --> 01:44:49,120
Speaker 1: and made it for better hunters because, in all honesty,

2100
01:44:49,240 --> 01:44:53,080
Speaker 1: the opening season for bear was about to open up. Uh.

2101
01:44:53,200 --> 01:44:58,320
Speaker 1: Actually it happened on October six, and I I want

2102
01:44:58,320 --> 01:45:00,840
Speaker 1: to say, it was like that day actually bear sheason open.

2103
01:45:00,840 --> 01:45:02,200
Speaker 1: It was really it's right around that time. I can't

2104
01:45:02,280 --> 01:45:04,080
Speaker 1: quite remember off the top of my head, but it

2105
01:45:04,120 --> 01:45:05,400
Speaker 1: opens right up. So I was like, I was looking

2106
01:45:05,400 --> 01:45:07,800
Speaker 1: forward to actually going out bear hunting and doing the

2107
01:45:07,840 --> 01:45:09,599
Speaker 1: same thing. So she kind of took me away from that.

2108
01:45:10,200 --> 01:45:13,840
Speaker 1: But no, I definitely don't. I don't you know, feel

2109
01:45:13,880 --> 01:45:17,080
Speaker 1: bad about it or anything besides the fact that it's like, hey,

2110
01:45:18,560 --> 01:45:20,920
Speaker 1: it wasn't in the right time, like you know, it

2111
01:45:20,960 --> 01:45:23,080
Speaker 1: didn't have my tag or anything to get a bear.

2112
01:45:23,479 --> 01:45:26,640
Speaker 1: You know, it definitely was in defense and uh you know,

2113
01:45:26,640 --> 01:45:29,439
Speaker 1: it wasn't the bear that you're really seeking. And um,

2114
01:45:29,479 --> 01:45:31,439
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't like hunting, but as I say,

2115
01:45:31,439 --> 01:45:33,840
Speaker 1: with as many bears are on there, it's like it's

2116
01:45:34,080 --> 01:45:37,080
Speaker 1: good control of the bear population. And it's a huge thing.

2117
01:45:37,080 --> 01:45:38,760
Speaker 1: That's what I know you talked about a lot, but

2118
01:45:38,840 --> 01:45:42,320
Speaker 1: with the real meaning of hunting, especially with an animal,

2119
01:45:42,360 --> 01:45:45,840
Speaker 1: you don't you know, you're not gathering meat from um.

2120
01:45:45,840 --> 01:45:49,160
Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, it was unfortunate because I know that

2121
01:45:49,240 --> 01:45:51,360
Speaker 1: for her just as much survival in sync with me,

2122
01:45:51,520 --> 01:45:54,479
Speaker 1: just she's a more primal creature than I am. And

2123
01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:57,760
Speaker 1: you know, there's no communicating, that is communicating. And she

2124
01:45:57,840 --> 01:45:59,519
Speaker 1: was just like yeah, it's like, yeah, there's no there's

2125
01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:01,280
Speaker 1: no getting out of it. So I know this that

2126
01:46:01,479 --> 01:46:05,280
Speaker 1: there was the perfect storm and definitely unfortunate circumstances. But no,

2127
01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:07,439
Speaker 1: I definitely don't feel bad about it. You know, I'm

2128
01:46:07,479 --> 01:46:10,639
Speaker 1: still living, breathing human being and I'm still alive and

2129
01:46:10,640 --> 01:46:15,200
Speaker 1: and thank god. Yeah, I mean if you talk to

2130
01:46:15,240 --> 01:46:18,759
Speaker 1: your your buddy then took the shots and like, what's

2131
01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:22,679
Speaker 1: the as a group, you know, postmortem, what's like, what's

2132
01:46:22,720 --> 01:46:25,439
Speaker 1: the feeling? Yeah, And and no, I mean guys are

2133
01:46:25,439 --> 01:46:29,040
Speaker 1: all on the same page, like they're ecstatic about it.

2134
01:46:29,080 --> 01:46:32,000
Speaker 1: One just I'm alive. And it was very surreal for everybody.

2135
01:46:32,080 --> 01:46:35,360
Speaker 1: And in the moment, more so going through his mind

2136
01:46:35,439 --> 01:46:38,479
Speaker 1: was like, God, I hope he's alive. And uh, the

2137
01:46:38,479 --> 01:46:41,800
Speaker 1: guy who shot the bear first of the rifle, he

2138
01:46:41,840 --> 01:46:44,840
Speaker 1: was more nervous when I stopped talking as I said,

2139
01:46:44,840 --> 01:46:46,640
Speaker 1: I said, oh, I can't make any more noise, no

2140
01:46:46,720 --> 01:46:48,600
Speaker 1: more scream out or anything in pain or agony. I

2141
01:46:48,600 --> 01:46:51,120
Speaker 1: gotta keep my mouth shut. That's gonna get worse. And

2142
01:46:51,160 --> 01:46:53,000
Speaker 1: when he took the shot, it was like right after

2143
01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:54,960
Speaker 1: that too, and he was he was nervous. It's like

2144
01:46:55,000 --> 01:46:56,439
Speaker 1: he didn't know if I was still alive from the

2145
01:46:56,439 --> 01:46:59,120
Speaker 1: bear killing me or from him killing me from a shot.

2146
01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:01,160
Speaker 1: So that was running through his mind too, and of

2147
01:47:01,160 --> 01:47:03,519
Speaker 1: course it made it nervous. But I was fully aware,

2148
01:47:03,520 --> 01:47:05,720
Speaker 1: awake and like talking and everything else afterwards, and I

2149
01:47:05,720 --> 01:47:07,800
Speaker 1: think that was kind of a relief to him. And

2150
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:10,840
Speaker 1: judgment call and even afterwards he we've had our discussions

2151
01:47:10,840 --> 01:47:14,160
Speaker 1: and I certainly owned my life, and uh, he said

2152
01:47:14,160 --> 01:47:15,639
Speaker 1: the same thing that he knows that but it done

2153
01:47:15,680 --> 01:47:18,080
Speaker 1: the same thing and been there for him, and um,

2154
01:47:18,120 --> 01:47:22,560
Speaker 1: that's absolutely the case. But I know the consensus in

2155
01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:24,280
Speaker 1: the group are still the same thing. But so many

2156
01:47:24,280 --> 01:47:26,720
Speaker 1: guys were just kind of surreal and and some of

2157
01:47:26,720 --> 01:47:29,120
Speaker 1: the guys hadn't really been through experiences like that for

2158
01:47:29,439 --> 01:47:32,120
Speaker 1: really stressful and kind of for them even it was

2159
01:47:32,200 --> 01:47:33,800
Speaker 1: kind of like they weren't getting attacked, but it was

2160
01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:36,640
Speaker 1: very like real all of a sudden and kind of

2161
01:47:36,680 --> 01:47:39,120
Speaker 1: like holy sh it, like this isn't this isn't you know,

2162
01:47:39,800 --> 01:47:45,960
Speaker 1: funning games anymore. This just turned really really real? Is real? Yeah?

2163
01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:48,360
Speaker 1: I think that's you know, all hunters, all people that

2164
01:47:48,479 --> 01:47:51,759
Speaker 1: spend time in wild places, like these things happen, you fall,

2165
01:47:52,439 --> 01:47:55,800
Speaker 1: you get attacked like they happened and frequently, hopefully for

2166
01:47:55,840 --> 01:47:58,080
Speaker 1: most of us, but but their realities. And that's why

2167
01:47:58,400 --> 01:48:02,519
Speaker 1: people love to read books about um animal attacks. They

2168
01:48:02,600 --> 01:48:05,360
Speaker 1: love to read, you know, survival stories. And I'm sure

2169
01:48:05,360 --> 01:48:08,120
Speaker 1: we'll love to listen to your story here because you know,

2170
01:48:08,240 --> 01:48:12,559
Speaker 1: like I would say, you beat the odds. I would say,

2171
01:48:12,920 --> 01:48:15,120
Speaker 1: the odds kind of screwge you when you walked up

2172
01:48:15,160 --> 01:48:20,000
Speaker 1: on a bear, but after, during and after the attack,

2173
01:48:20,080 --> 01:48:22,679
Speaker 1: you beat the odds. I mean, there's so many ways

2174
01:48:22,720 --> 01:48:25,640
Speaker 1: it could have turned out um with your death, but

2175
01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:28,920
Speaker 1: it didn't. Absolutely. I mean even now, it's just making

2176
01:48:28,960 --> 01:48:30,840
Speaker 1: full recovery. And as you can see him, I'm walking

2177
01:48:30,840 --> 01:48:34,320
Speaker 1: around your healing and you be signs some you know,

2178
01:48:34,479 --> 01:48:41,479
Speaker 1: mier things in a much tighter Nutsack now you know, yeah,

2179
01:48:41,520 --> 01:48:43,360
Speaker 1: surgeons of me, they say, you know, some guys pay

2180
01:48:43,400 --> 01:48:45,160
Speaker 1: for this, right, I guess they get older and things

2181
01:48:45,160 --> 01:48:47,000
Speaker 1: start sigging, They're like, some guys pay for this year.

2182
01:48:47,040 --> 01:48:49,960
Speaker 1: It's like you're gonna be getting good to go. Uh

2183
01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:55,519
Speaker 1: so that'll be the advertisement for the people to listen

2184
01:48:55,560 --> 01:48:58,760
Speaker 1: to this. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, let's let's I mean,

2185
01:48:58,760 --> 01:49:01,520
Speaker 1: you know, we're when you came in and we're talking, um,

2186
01:49:01,680 --> 01:49:03,800
Speaker 1: you're saying, I still have open wounds. You know, two

2187
01:49:03,840 --> 01:49:05,960
Speaker 1: months later, ish a month and a half, two months

2188
01:49:06,040 --> 01:49:09,080
Speaker 1: later and you still have open wounds. Your recovery is

2189
01:49:09,120 --> 01:49:12,160
Speaker 1: obviously still ongoing. I mean there's probably been a lot

2190
01:49:12,160 --> 01:49:15,680
Speaker 1: of rehab, a lot of pain. You know. UM, just

2191
01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:19,200
Speaker 1: take you know, briefly, take everyone through what that feels like.

2192
01:49:19,240 --> 01:49:21,760
Speaker 1: Because I feel like you have the adrenaline, you've got

2193
01:49:21,760 --> 01:49:25,760
Speaker 1: your determination to survive UM and you always hear that

2194
01:49:25,800 --> 01:49:28,120
Speaker 1: about life threatening situations. But then when you're in a

2195
01:49:28,120 --> 01:49:31,120
Speaker 1: hospital bed or you know, you're waking up every morning

2196
01:49:31,120 --> 01:49:33,160
Speaker 1: and pain, I mean I feel like that's where the suffering,

2197
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:35,760
Speaker 1: you know, it really kicks in and where you know

2198
01:49:36,240 --> 01:49:39,000
Speaker 1: where the next the next level of of you know,

2199
01:49:39,080 --> 01:49:42,400
Speaker 1: difficulties you have to overcome begins when you've got to

2200
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:43,880
Speaker 1: get up out of the bed and like you said,

2201
01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:47,760
Speaker 1: get back to your normal life. Yeah. So by the

2202
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:50,760
Speaker 1: time I got the hospital, you know, it was going

2203
01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:53,719
Speaker 1: to uh pretty much immediately go into the operating room.

2204
01:49:53,960 --> 01:49:55,920
Speaker 1: They were asking a lot of questions wanted to really

2205
01:49:56,000 --> 01:49:58,519
Speaker 1: concern with more like food and water because before operating,

2206
01:49:58,560 --> 01:50:00,160
Speaker 1: it's gonna make sure I'm pretty much like you aim

2207
01:50:00,200 --> 01:50:06,080
Speaker 1: of all that kind of stuff. But uh, um uh sorry,

2208
01:50:06,120 --> 01:50:07,560
Speaker 1: And there's another one I get to hit on on

2209
01:50:07,600 --> 01:50:09,240
Speaker 1: the ride over. It just kind of cracked me up.

2210
01:50:09,240 --> 01:50:12,040
Speaker 1: But I talked about being cold before and this just

2211
01:50:12,040 --> 01:50:14,559
Speaker 1: made me think of it again. But um, in the

2212
01:50:14,600 --> 01:50:18,479
Speaker 1: bird the helicopter, they were trying to you know, put

2213
01:50:18,720 --> 01:50:20,920
Speaker 1: uh you know, I v S and me like get

2214
01:50:20,960 --> 01:50:22,680
Speaker 1: some needles in me at first, and just couldn't do it.

2215
01:50:22,800 --> 01:50:24,719
Speaker 1: Just so cold, like we won't be able to draw anything.

2216
01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:27,000
Speaker 1: Even when I got to the hospital, like I couldn't

2217
01:50:27,080 --> 01:50:28,720
Speaker 1: draw anything. The lady was there and she's like, you

2218
01:50:28,760 --> 01:50:31,120
Speaker 1: just have a really tough time. Finally eventually got one

2219
01:50:31,120 --> 01:50:32,759
Speaker 1: in my hand that she could get some blood flowd

2220
01:50:32,880 --> 01:50:36,840
Speaker 1: was just so cold though, and made it happen, But

2221
01:50:36,880 --> 01:50:38,200
Speaker 1: it was just kind of one of those things. And

2222
01:50:38,320 --> 01:50:40,040
Speaker 1: I get to the hospital and they're just taking everything

2223
01:50:40,040 --> 01:50:42,160
Speaker 1: else off me and I found the guy to the

2224
01:50:42,160 --> 01:50:45,680
Speaker 1: point I'm like I need a warm blank, Like I

2225
01:50:45,680 --> 01:50:47,640
Speaker 1: love you guys, thanks for taking care of me. But

2226
01:50:47,680 --> 01:50:49,360
Speaker 1: I'm like I'm at the point where I'm like, okay,

2227
01:50:49,400 --> 01:50:53,120
Speaker 1: I am freezing my nuts off here and I seriously

2228
01:50:53,160 --> 01:50:55,640
Speaker 1: need a blank or something like cover me back up.

2229
01:50:55,680 --> 01:50:58,320
Speaker 1: I'm like I'm really really cold. And so finally that

2230
01:50:58,520 --> 01:51:00,680
Speaker 1: definitely toned things down and made stuff better, and I

2231
01:51:00,760 --> 01:51:02,360
Speaker 1: was kind of more of a happy place then. But

2232
01:51:02,400 --> 01:51:03,840
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, cold does a lot of things

2233
01:51:03,960 --> 01:51:06,160
Speaker 1: to to people. And uh, I was kind of had

2234
01:51:06,160 --> 01:51:08,080
Speaker 1: one of those snappy crack moments where I'm just like, Okay,

2235
01:51:08,080 --> 01:51:11,160
Speaker 1: I'm cold. I'm like, stop taking clothes off, need more

2236
01:51:11,200 --> 01:51:13,080
Speaker 1: calls on me? And I feel like there's like, yeah,

2237
01:51:13,120 --> 01:51:16,600
Speaker 1: like the frustration level has got to be because you're

2238
01:51:16,600 --> 01:51:19,719
Speaker 1: you at that point. Well really, as the attack begins,

2239
01:51:19,760 --> 01:51:24,000
Speaker 1: you have no control really at that point, hands and

2240
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:25,920
Speaker 1: and no, And I wasn't. I wasn't trying to be

2241
01:51:25,960 --> 01:51:27,559
Speaker 1: stubborn into the I'm like okay, let people take care

2242
01:51:27,600 --> 01:51:29,080
Speaker 1: of me. I wasn't being like one of those guys

2243
01:51:29,080 --> 01:51:32,479
Speaker 1: and um, and it was good, and I did getting

2244
01:51:32,840 --> 01:51:35,120
Speaker 1: uh into the room, just kind of waiting and finally

2245
01:51:35,160 --> 01:51:37,080
Speaker 1: made a phone call to my folks and let them

2246
01:51:37,080 --> 01:51:38,920
Speaker 1: know everything was good. You know, guy brought it in

2247
01:51:38,960 --> 01:51:41,360
Speaker 1: a phone for me, and so things are good. Let

2248
01:51:41,439 --> 01:51:46,080
Speaker 1: them know, and they're all concerned. But even after the

2249
01:51:46,160 --> 01:51:48,040
Speaker 1: operating room and I kind of got through a lot

2250
01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:51,400
Speaker 1: of the medical testing and guys asking questions and fixing

2251
01:51:51,400 --> 01:51:54,880
Speaker 1: me up, I'm very much a proponent of just the

2252
01:51:55,040 --> 01:51:58,160
Speaker 1: kind of positive attitude and healing and and uh, just

2253
01:51:58,280 --> 01:52:02,040
Speaker 1: keeping the smile going. And I whenever you in those situations,

2254
01:52:02,080 --> 01:52:04,120
Speaker 1: all you can do. And I hate negativity. Like the

2255
01:52:04,200 --> 01:52:07,200
Speaker 1: last thing, I really really hate pity, and I don't,

2256
01:52:07,400 --> 01:52:10,000
Speaker 1: you know, for the same reason, like I don't take

2257
01:52:10,080 --> 01:52:12,880
Speaker 1: pity on really anybody else either. It's and I don't

2258
01:52:12,960 --> 01:52:14,920
Speaker 1: I don't think people need that. I think you can.

2259
01:52:15,960 --> 01:52:18,880
Speaker 1: I'm probably less empathetic than most people either. It's you know,

2260
01:52:18,960 --> 01:52:20,920
Speaker 1: probably something I should work on. But at the same time,

2261
01:52:20,920 --> 01:52:22,519
Speaker 1: like even for myself, like I don't want that, like

2262
01:52:22,760 --> 01:52:25,160
Speaker 1: anybody who's gonna like come in there, Oh, I'm so sorry.

2263
01:52:25,160 --> 01:52:29,280
Speaker 1: I'm like no, like fun that It's like if you're

2264
01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:31,000
Speaker 1: gonna be like have biddy to be like a soft

2265
01:52:31,000 --> 01:52:32,320
Speaker 1: story of me to get the hell out like I

2266
01:52:32,360 --> 01:52:34,280
Speaker 1: don't neither, I don't want it, like I'm alive. I

2267
01:52:34,360 --> 01:52:37,559
Speaker 1: got shipped to do so. And that was kind of

2268
01:52:37,560 --> 01:52:40,120
Speaker 1: my my thought process even in the days in the hospital.

2269
01:52:40,120 --> 01:52:42,439
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I certainly wasn't feeling good and had

2270
01:52:42,479 --> 01:52:45,040
Speaker 1: me on a liquid diet, you know, starting out that

2271
01:52:45,200 --> 01:52:49,360
Speaker 1: sucked um because especially I was already hungry, you know,

2272
01:52:49,640 --> 01:52:51,599
Speaker 1: being in in the field, like for the first few

2273
01:52:51,680 --> 01:52:54,560
Speaker 1: days anyway, as you well know, like you do a

2274
01:52:54,600 --> 01:52:56,960
Speaker 1: lot of that hiking into that truf drain, you get

2275
01:52:57,080 --> 01:53:00,280
Speaker 1: hungry and like hadn't really drank anything, hadn't really eat

2276
01:53:00,280 --> 01:53:02,840
Speaker 1: any anything, and quite some time, and I was definitely

2277
01:53:02,920 --> 01:53:06,240
Speaker 1: hungry and like just drinking on bone broth and water

2278
01:53:06,360 --> 01:53:09,800
Speaker 1: for for a time or two, is uh not my

2279
01:53:09,920 --> 01:53:13,479
Speaker 1: cup of tea. And so that took some time. But

2280
01:53:13,720 --> 01:53:17,840
Speaker 1: my one of the biggest driving motivators, given the circumstances

2281
01:53:17,880 --> 01:53:20,519
Speaker 1: of what was going when I was going going through

2282
01:53:21,479 --> 01:53:23,200
Speaker 1: is I talked to you about this before, but I

2283
01:53:23,200 --> 01:53:26,320
Speaker 1: had this puppy and hadn't got it yet. But I

2284
01:53:26,360 --> 01:53:29,639
Speaker 1: had made plans to get this puppy that I finally,

2285
01:53:29,720 --> 01:53:31,240
Speaker 1: you know, kind of cave down. I was like I

2286
01:53:31,439 --> 01:53:33,439
Speaker 1: saw a litter up north and I really wanted it,

2287
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:38,120
Speaker 1: and uh I bought it, made the arrangements. I'm like, okay, great,

2288
01:53:38,160 --> 01:53:40,120
Speaker 1: Like this puppy is gonna get shipped on Monday. Well

2289
01:53:40,160 --> 01:53:43,360
Speaker 1: this incident happened on Friday, and like okay, making sure

2290
01:53:43,360 --> 01:53:48,240
Speaker 1: everything's in a row, and uh again things going through

2291
01:53:48,280 --> 01:53:49,800
Speaker 1: my mind. Was just thinking on this and like okay,

2292
01:53:49,800 --> 01:53:51,439
Speaker 1: I gotta to get this puppy, like I don't care

2293
01:53:51,479 --> 01:53:53,400
Speaker 1: if Friday and like what they're saying, like hollong when

2294
01:53:53,400 --> 01:53:54,960
Speaker 1: I keep me in my I have this puppy coming in.

2295
01:53:55,040 --> 01:53:56,280
Speaker 1: I had to have to be there. I don't want

2296
01:53:56,320 --> 01:53:58,640
Speaker 1: somebody else to do it, like the first kind of

2297
01:53:58,680 --> 01:54:00,360
Speaker 1: contact and like I want to be her for it.

2298
01:54:00,439 --> 01:54:03,680
Speaker 1: So definitely my driving motivator. But the other thing on

2299
01:54:03,720 --> 01:54:08,000
Speaker 1: that story is again kind of going back to the

2300
01:54:08,040 --> 01:54:12,200
Speaker 1: whole you know self pity thing um the lady who

2301
01:54:12,280 --> 01:54:18,080
Speaker 1: had the breed, the litter um who gave me the puppy,

2302
01:54:18,120 --> 01:54:20,280
Speaker 1: like you know, shipped me the puppy. As this all

2303
01:54:20,439 --> 01:54:22,280
Speaker 1: is happening, I told her what had happened, what was

2304
01:54:22,320 --> 01:54:24,040
Speaker 1: going on that things were still gonna be you know,

2305
01:54:24,040 --> 01:54:26,600
Speaker 1: all right, I still wanted the puppy. We'll come to

2306
01:54:26,600 --> 01:54:30,519
Speaker 1: find out her husband, Um was just climbing the ladder.

2307
01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:32,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was. I think he was

2308
01:54:32,160 --> 01:54:33,760
Speaker 1: working on a roof with his brother or something like

2309
01:54:33,800 --> 01:54:36,839
Speaker 1: that and fell and you know one of the biggest

2310
01:54:37,640 --> 01:54:39,440
Speaker 1: you know, cause of accidents in the US, always like

2311
01:54:39,480 --> 01:54:41,160
Speaker 1: falls and stuff. And sure enough, like he fell off

2312
01:54:41,200 --> 01:54:43,360
Speaker 1: the roof or fell off the ladder and hit his

2313
01:54:43,440 --> 01:54:47,600
Speaker 1: head like internal hemorrhaging and like emergency er and didn't

2314
01:54:47,600 --> 01:54:49,040
Speaker 1: know if he's gonna make it. Like all this like

2315
01:54:49,160 --> 01:54:50,600
Speaker 1: terrible things, and I'm like I'm going through this and

2316
01:54:50,600 --> 01:54:53,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, of course. I'm just saying to myself,

2317
01:54:53,920 --> 01:54:56,960
Speaker 1: like there's always somebody else where that's got it worse,

2318
01:54:57,160 --> 01:54:59,080
Speaker 1: that's like so much worse than you are. Like the

2319
01:54:59,160 --> 01:55:01,200
Speaker 1: last thing that you need is just like this will

2320
01:55:01,240 --> 01:55:04,600
Speaker 1: be like oh, like pour me, like why me? You know,

2321
01:55:04,680 --> 01:55:07,240
Speaker 1: like all this is like no, just life happens. Ship happens.

2322
01:55:07,840 --> 01:55:09,680
Speaker 1: You know, you play with the bully, You're gonna get

2323
01:55:09,680 --> 01:55:12,200
Speaker 1: the horns, my father, you do anything long enough, and

2324
01:55:12,240 --> 01:55:15,480
Speaker 1: like something's going to happen along those lines and again,

2325
01:55:15,800 --> 01:55:17,920
Speaker 1: like looking back is why I don't regret anything when

2326
01:55:17,920 --> 01:55:20,760
Speaker 1: doing anything different. It's just an experience. And unfortunately I'm

2327
01:55:20,800 --> 01:55:22,640
Speaker 1: still here. God's gonna plan for me like that. I'm

2328
01:55:22,640 --> 01:55:25,400
Speaker 1: gonna keep going and doing something because I'm still here kicking. Yeah,

2329
01:55:25,960 --> 01:55:29,000
Speaker 1: So like it didn't really like it just enhance your perspective.

2330
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:30,960
Speaker 1: It didn't like change, It didn't at all, Like no

2331
01:55:31,200 --> 01:55:35,320
Speaker 1: negativity towards it whatsoever, doing downfall that I'm experienced. He

2332
01:55:35,400 --> 01:55:36,480
Speaker 1: right now is not be able to get on the

2333
01:55:36,520 --> 01:55:38,880
Speaker 1: horse soon enough to go back out hunting because all

2334
01:55:38,880 --> 01:55:41,280
Speaker 1: the seasons are like ending. You want to get back.

2335
01:55:41,320 --> 01:55:43,640
Speaker 1: I have no time, and my plan is to go

2336
01:55:43,920 --> 01:55:45,840
Speaker 1: right back out and go skiing and ice climb, like

2337
01:55:45,880 --> 01:55:48,560
Speaker 1: as soon as after the holidays ends. That's been my

2338
01:55:48,560 --> 01:55:51,280
Speaker 1: my next goal. Because I did bring my my puppy

2339
01:55:51,400 --> 01:55:52,920
Speaker 1: here with me, and I did get out of the

2340
01:55:52,920 --> 01:55:55,560
Speaker 1: hospital on Monday to go get them, despite them kind

2341
01:55:55,560 --> 01:55:57,560
Speaker 1: of wanting me, you know, to stay a little longer.

2342
01:55:58,200 --> 01:56:01,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's been kind of a crawl walk run

2343
01:56:02,000 --> 01:56:05,040
Speaker 1: starting out. Couldn't I didn't even leave the hospital bed

2344
01:56:05,080 --> 01:56:08,880
Speaker 1: for the first couple of days. Really couldn't. And uh,

2345
01:56:08,960 --> 01:56:11,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a second or third day.

2346
01:56:11,680 --> 01:56:16,879
Speaker 1: I eventually just got up to like stand up. Definitely

2347
01:56:16,880 --> 01:56:19,920
Speaker 1: not fun amount of pain. The blood finally just rushed

2348
01:56:19,920 --> 01:56:21,920
Speaker 1: back into the leg again. The leg was certainly the

2349
01:56:21,920 --> 01:56:25,120
Speaker 1: worst part. And who yeah, that was yeah, that was

2350
01:56:25,200 --> 01:56:28,360
Speaker 1: that was a little pain. And uh, they like no

2351
01:56:28,520 --> 01:56:32,560
Speaker 1: surgeries other than just something like no major surgery. Right, yeah,

2352
01:56:32,600 --> 01:56:35,360
Speaker 1: I just see me back up and with with animal

2353
01:56:35,400 --> 01:56:37,360
Speaker 1: wounds like that, we had talked on it. But for

2354
01:56:37,400 --> 01:56:40,840
Speaker 1: the everybody else listening, you never have an animal winning

2355
01:56:41,440 --> 01:56:43,920
Speaker 1: train dogs and had animal bites and stuff before. And

2356
01:56:44,360 --> 01:56:46,720
Speaker 1: when you go through that, you're trying to keep the

2357
01:56:46,720 --> 01:56:50,160
Speaker 1: wound open for risky and infection and for it to

2358
01:56:50,200 --> 01:56:52,840
Speaker 1: heal inside out. You know, want some you know cave

2359
01:56:52,920 --> 01:56:56,480
Speaker 1: hole inside of you just like festering. So they put

2360
01:56:56,520 --> 01:56:59,520
Speaker 1: some stitches on some of the bigger wounds just to

2361
01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:01,520
Speaker 1: close them up a little bit because they were so big,

2362
01:57:02,040 --> 01:57:06,080
Speaker 1: and uh, the after I don't know, like a couple

2363
01:57:06,080 --> 01:57:07,960
Speaker 1: of weeks or so, they cut them off and like

2364
01:57:08,240 --> 01:57:11,320
Speaker 1: let them go back to healing open and uh, and

2365
01:57:11,360 --> 01:57:13,760
Speaker 1: that's kind of what I'm going through now. But yeah,

2366
01:57:13,800 --> 01:57:18,280
Speaker 1: there was eight major punctures on my leg. H two

2367
01:57:18,320 --> 01:57:22,160
Speaker 1: on my arms, some superficial like scratches, bite marks wherever

2368
01:57:22,160 --> 01:57:24,920
Speaker 1: they were on my back, and then down lower on

2369
01:57:24,960 --> 01:57:27,800
Speaker 1: the leg they were like not like full punctures, just

2370
01:57:27,880 --> 01:57:30,440
Speaker 1: kind of like still like superficial, but deep enough to

2371
01:57:30,560 --> 01:57:35,400
Speaker 1: like warrants some bandages. Um, I think just the clothing alone,

2372
01:57:35,680 --> 01:57:38,400
Speaker 1: probably on the lower leg was like the combination of

2373
01:57:38,440 --> 01:57:42,600
Speaker 1: like one pair of like soft shell pants, some rain pants,

2374
01:57:43,120 --> 01:57:46,320
Speaker 1: uh gators, and boots. Yeah, like just enough that it

2375
01:57:46,440 --> 01:57:47,960
Speaker 1: like she squeezed the hell out of it, because I've

2376
01:57:47,960 --> 01:57:50,040
Speaker 1: still got nerve damage where I can't feel half of

2377
01:57:50,080 --> 01:57:53,320
Speaker 1: my my foot and leg well not really leg but

2378
01:57:53,440 --> 01:57:57,600
Speaker 1: lower like heal and achilles, uh calf, that kind of area,

2379
01:57:57,680 --> 01:58:00,200
Speaker 1: but did enough to like mess with an her of

2380
01:58:00,200 --> 01:58:03,760
Speaker 1: a little bit, not like completely severed or anything, but yeah,

2381
01:58:03,880 --> 01:58:06,160
Speaker 1: she she did some damage. Didn't take much of that

2382
01:58:06,160 --> 01:58:08,000
Speaker 1: that type of beast. Well, I mean, like you said

2383
01:58:08,000 --> 01:58:09,680
Speaker 1: that she still has a little bit to rip through,

2384
01:58:09,800 --> 01:58:12,440
Speaker 1: like she could still rip and tear at the clothes

2385
01:58:12,440 --> 01:58:15,960
Speaker 1: without really ripping impairing at you. And then I'm sure

2386
01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:20,960
Speaker 1: that stone glacier pack you know. For I know those

2387
01:58:20,960 --> 01:58:22,960
Speaker 1: guys over there pretty well, they're all good folks and

2388
01:58:23,000 --> 01:58:26,360
Speaker 1: they make a nice pack. But I'm sure that impact

2389
01:58:27,320 --> 01:58:30,320
Speaker 1: saved you a lot, big, big time. And again that

2390
01:58:30,360 --> 01:58:32,480
Speaker 1: went through my mind a lot. And she was a

2391
01:58:32,480 --> 01:58:35,120
Speaker 1: little focus on the legs at first, I think, which

2392
01:58:35,240 --> 01:58:37,720
Speaker 1: I don't know good or bad. Maybe that's because what

2393
01:58:38,000 --> 01:58:39,920
Speaker 1: you know, like you're moving, maybe kicking. Well, it was

2394
01:58:39,920 --> 01:58:41,520
Speaker 1: definitely was just the first thing that came to her.

2395
01:58:41,600 --> 01:58:45,120
Speaker 1: And the same with my experiences with dogs and like

2396
01:58:45,120 --> 01:58:47,320
Speaker 1: like protective, they're gonna go for the first thing, whatever

2397
01:58:47,360 --> 01:58:49,280
Speaker 1: it is is like closest out there. To them, it's

2398
01:58:49,320 --> 01:58:51,760
Speaker 1: just convenience. That's what they're gonna bite first. And for

2399
01:58:51,800 --> 01:58:54,200
Speaker 1: her it was just that was the leg that was there. Again,

2400
01:58:54,240 --> 01:58:56,560
Speaker 1: I dove kind of downhill, so she was coming behind

2401
01:58:56,560 --> 01:58:58,480
Speaker 1: me at this point rather than like a head on charge,

2402
01:58:59,000 --> 01:59:01,040
Speaker 1: and she just grabbed that for that first leg and

2403
01:59:01,080 --> 01:59:02,800
Speaker 1: that she she picked me up and just threw me.

2404
01:59:03,240 --> 01:59:06,720
Speaker 1: Um so constantly going for the closest thing there and um,

2405
01:59:06,760 --> 01:59:09,280
Speaker 1: but the thing with the backpack, it did kind of

2406
01:59:10,120 --> 01:59:12,600
Speaker 1: get me thinking. And I know bears are very very

2407
01:59:12,680 --> 01:59:17,120
Speaker 1: smart creatures and and um just very keen on everything.

2408
01:59:17,240 --> 01:59:21,480
Speaker 1: And I don't think eventually she obviously did you know,

2409
01:59:21,560 --> 01:59:23,760
Speaker 1: scratched me in the back and get to the to

2410
01:59:23,880 --> 01:59:26,400
Speaker 1: my arm and and the stone glacier back didn't really

2411
01:59:26,440 --> 01:59:28,240
Speaker 1: take much damage. And it got me thinking about it too,

2412
01:59:28,240 --> 01:59:32,600
Speaker 1: And I had to think that she probably knows that feeling,

2413
01:59:33,840 --> 01:59:35,880
Speaker 1: like she knew when she put her paws on me

2414
01:59:35,920 --> 01:59:38,800
Speaker 1: and her teeth in me, that like she probably knew

2415
01:59:38,880 --> 01:59:41,920
Speaker 1: what flash kind of like feels like, tastes like, all

2416
01:59:41,960 --> 01:59:43,800
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. That like she didn't want anything

2417
01:59:43,840 --> 01:59:45,000
Speaker 1: to do it and that's all she was trying to

2418
01:59:45,000 --> 01:59:47,080
Speaker 1: do is just kind of brush that out of the side.

2419
01:59:47,360 --> 01:59:49,920
Speaker 1: So again it was like all linked together and nothing

2420
01:59:49,960 --> 01:59:52,840
Speaker 1: actually happened to the back, which was awesome, But um,

2421
01:59:53,800 --> 01:59:57,600
Speaker 1: if I didn't have that there, yeah, I mean fortunately,

2422
01:59:57,600 --> 02:00:00,800
Speaker 1: like just the flat back itself doesn't really have features

2423
02:00:00,800 --> 02:00:02,560
Speaker 1: to really you know, grab ahold of it. Who knows,

2424
02:00:02,600 --> 02:00:04,480
Speaker 1: maybe she wouldn't have either she could have gotten like

2425
02:00:04,560 --> 02:00:09,240
Speaker 1: side or something else. Um yeah, and I and and

2426
02:00:09,600 --> 02:00:11,120
Speaker 1: that's gone through my mind. But I had to think,

2427
02:00:11,160 --> 02:00:13,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, you know what, like they probably knows

2428
02:00:13,160 --> 02:00:15,360
Speaker 1: exactly what flesh and everything like feels like, tastes like.

2429
02:00:15,360 --> 02:00:16,600
Speaker 1: And that's where she was going for. She was just

2430
02:00:16,600 --> 02:00:18,920
Speaker 1: moving that ship right out of the way. Yeah, I

2431
02:00:18,960 --> 02:00:22,840
Speaker 1: mean it's hard you can't put your you can't put

2432
02:00:22,880 --> 02:00:26,920
Speaker 1: your mind to what he's going through a bear's mind,

2433
02:00:27,440 --> 02:00:29,840
Speaker 1: and that such what she can't I mean, it's impossible,

2434
02:00:31,000 --> 02:00:34,600
Speaker 1: and it's such. It was instinctual for you, instinctual for her.

2435
02:00:35,360 --> 02:00:37,840
Speaker 1: Like the whole interaction seemed to be just this like

2436
02:00:39,400 --> 02:00:43,200
Speaker 1: man versus nature and that's ye. You you know, at

2437
02:00:43,240 --> 02:00:45,800
Speaker 1: this this particular time, you ended up ended up bumping

2438
02:00:45,840 --> 02:00:49,320
Speaker 1: heads and and um, you came out on the better end.

2439
02:00:49,400 --> 02:00:52,640
Speaker 1: But for sure, it's such a eyes wonder about that,

2440
02:00:52,720 --> 02:00:56,160
Speaker 1: Like if that were ever to happened to me, how

2441
02:00:56,200 --> 02:00:58,760
Speaker 1: it would change me? Like you're way tougher than I am.

2442
02:00:58,800 --> 02:01:00,720
Speaker 1: Like you seem like you have a way better perspective,

2443
02:01:01,200 --> 02:01:03,480
Speaker 1: you have a way better perspective on on these types

2444
02:01:03,520 --> 02:01:06,720
Speaker 1: of things. But I've heard from you know, jhannest tell

2445
02:01:06,760 --> 02:01:08,880
Speaker 1: Us and even a little bit from Steven Ella media

2446
02:01:08,920 --> 02:01:12,520
Speaker 1: crew they weren't even attacked there. They were charged and

2447
02:01:12,880 --> 02:01:16,400
Speaker 1: all came away, you know, fairly unscathed. That it did

2448
02:01:16,520 --> 02:01:18,360
Speaker 1: change a little bit about how they felt about one

2449
02:01:18,400 --> 02:01:20,800
Speaker 1: in the wilderness. Like they have you know, they have kids,

2450
02:01:20,800 --> 02:01:23,480
Speaker 1: they have wives, like they you know, they feel like

2451
02:01:23,560 --> 02:01:26,760
Speaker 1: you know, everybody has loved ones family and friends that

2452
02:01:26,840 --> 02:01:30,080
Speaker 1: care about them like it. I think it did change

2453
02:01:30,080 --> 02:01:31,400
Speaker 1: them a little bit as far as how they think

2454
02:01:31,400 --> 02:01:34,880
Speaker 1: about it. Are they not going to go They're going, um,

2455
02:01:34,920 --> 02:01:37,720
Speaker 1: just like you are. But you know, I think it

2456
02:01:37,800 --> 02:01:42,440
Speaker 1: probably had to change something for you for sure. I

2457
02:01:42,440 --> 02:01:45,960
Speaker 1: don't know. Everybody's got their own ways of going through

2458
02:01:46,000 --> 02:01:49,160
Speaker 1: life and living and doing their own thing. But it

2459
02:01:49,160 --> 02:01:51,120
Speaker 1: life is all about experiences. And you always hear about

2460
02:01:51,120 --> 02:01:53,160
Speaker 1: people talking to about being in the moment and all that,

2461
02:01:53,200 --> 02:01:57,920
Speaker 1: but I do agree with it. And one they always

2462
02:01:57,960 --> 02:01:59,320
Speaker 1: named about it like you're never the same person as

2463
02:01:59,360 --> 02:02:02,320
Speaker 1: you were yesterday. Yeah, I constantly like a lot of

2464
02:02:02,320 --> 02:02:05,360
Speaker 1: people just don't have those really huge moments I opening

2465
02:02:05,360 --> 02:02:07,160
Speaker 1: experience that they think that they do, and like they're

2466
02:02:07,200 --> 02:02:09,920
Speaker 1: just those munday tash and everything. But like no matter what,

2467
02:02:09,960 --> 02:02:14,200
Speaker 1: like you're getting lessons learning experiences every day, Like they're

2468
02:02:14,240 --> 02:02:16,320
Speaker 1: just not as big as as some of the other ones.

2469
02:02:16,360 --> 02:02:18,600
Speaker 1: And um, mine was obviously very big, and you can

2470
02:02:18,640 --> 02:02:23,760
Speaker 1: take away from that. But uh, ironically, um, I was

2471
02:02:23,760 --> 02:02:27,120
Speaker 1: getting some tattoos done and I just had an audible

2472
02:02:27,120 --> 02:02:29,480
Speaker 1: book that I was listening to, the Rise of Superman

2473
02:02:29,960 --> 02:02:32,080
Speaker 1: and it's all about like the state of flow. And

2474
02:02:32,520 --> 02:02:34,760
Speaker 1: I kind of talked about the flow before that, and

2475
02:02:34,800 --> 02:02:37,240
Speaker 1: I've read other books spot on and and uh looked

2476
02:02:37,280 --> 02:02:41,120
Speaker 1: into the topic and and extremely extremely interesting um for

2477
02:02:41,160 --> 02:02:44,400
Speaker 1: people that like look into the subject or not, but um,

2478
02:02:44,560 --> 02:02:47,040
Speaker 1: always seeking out those moments where like you learn the

2479
02:02:47,080 --> 02:02:50,600
Speaker 1: most because to bump into flow like takes like some

2480
02:02:50,640 --> 02:02:54,280
Speaker 1: people have like you know, serious like I don't know

2481
02:02:54,440 --> 02:02:56,360
Speaker 1: meditation that they want to do. It takes like hours

2482
02:02:56,360 --> 02:02:57,840
Speaker 1: and hours and hours and hours. But then you hear

2483
02:02:57,840 --> 02:03:02,000
Speaker 1: about these uh very ad ent you're seeking individuals like

2484
02:03:02,600 --> 02:03:05,720
Speaker 1: doing extreme skydiving and free diving and all these other

2485
02:03:05,760 --> 02:03:08,520
Speaker 1: adventure type sports and that's where they fine and seek

2486
02:03:08,520 --> 02:03:11,400
Speaker 1: flow and big wave riders and mountain bikers and all

2487
02:03:11,400 --> 02:03:12,920
Speaker 1: those things. And I love all those things as well.

2488
02:03:12,920 --> 02:03:14,560
Speaker 1: And a lot of people think of them as adrenaline

2489
02:03:14,600 --> 02:03:17,880
Speaker 1: junkies and it's definitely not the same whatsoever because they

2490
02:03:17,880 --> 02:03:20,200
Speaker 1: didn't have any adrenaline during the incident. But I also

2491
02:03:20,320 --> 02:03:24,760
Speaker 1: know that the state of flow is definitely definitely going there.

2492
02:03:25,520 --> 02:03:29,440
Speaker 1: Um Yeah, it seems like that that that's probably my

2493
02:03:29,600 --> 02:03:31,920
Speaker 1: read on it is that's impact you as much as anything,

2494
02:03:32,080 --> 02:03:36,040
Speaker 1: and hearing you describe it is having that state of

2495
02:03:36,080 --> 02:03:38,200
Speaker 1: flow I mean, you may achieve it while climbing, you

2496
02:03:38,240 --> 02:03:41,040
Speaker 1: may achieve it while surfing, but you know, while there's

2497
02:03:41,040 --> 02:03:45,360
Speaker 1: some inherent danger there, um, there's some inherent joy there

2498
02:03:45,360 --> 02:03:48,760
Speaker 1: as well what you're doing. Um. But in this in

2499
02:03:48,760 --> 02:03:50,440
Speaker 1: this case, you achieve that state of flow just in

2500
02:03:50,480 --> 02:03:53,880
Speaker 1: a different mental environment where you knew there wasn't any

2501
02:03:53,960 --> 02:03:57,280
Speaker 1: good outcome of what was going to happen, and then

2502
02:03:57,320 --> 02:04:00,400
Speaker 1: when it was happening. So it seems to me like that,

2503
02:04:00,480 --> 02:04:02,400
Speaker 1: you know, having that state of flow and knowing what

2504
02:04:02,440 --> 02:04:07,520
Speaker 1: that feels like and moments of extreme stresses is informed

2505
02:04:07,560 --> 02:04:10,800
Speaker 1: you in a lot of ways absolutely, Like that's that's

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02:04:10,800 --> 02:04:13,120
Speaker 1: really where I find that you you really learn the

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02:04:13,200 --> 02:04:17,760
Speaker 1: most um about yourself and and and other things in life, um,

2508
02:04:17,920 --> 02:04:20,800
Speaker 1: is being in those those moments where you just learned

2509
02:04:20,840 --> 02:04:23,840
Speaker 1: so much so quick. It's very very eye opening. That's

2510
02:04:23,840 --> 02:04:27,200
Speaker 1: why people always seek that, you know, it's not for that.

2511
02:04:27,320 --> 02:04:29,640
Speaker 1: It's not the adrenaline rush is like people say, yeah,

2512
02:04:29,680 --> 02:04:32,720
Speaker 1: there's definitely adrenaline drunkies. But that's where I find it's

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02:04:33,760 --> 02:04:36,400
Speaker 1: those individuals are much more short lived than than others

2514
02:04:36,400 --> 02:04:38,320
Speaker 1: that just eat that, because then they eventually end up

2515
02:04:38,360 --> 02:04:41,000
Speaker 1: just doing something stupid um and not well thought out

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02:04:41,120 --> 02:04:43,480
Speaker 1: versus other people that have to be they're just kind

2517
02:04:43,520 --> 02:04:46,640
Speaker 1: of pushed in those moments, um. And there's nothing wrong

2518
02:04:46,680 --> 02:04:49,040
Speaker 1: with like seeking other ways, with whether it is like

2519
02:04:49,080 --> 02:04:51,160
Speaker 1: a two and a half hour session of yoga or

2520
02:04:51,400 --> 02:04:55,640
Speaker 1: meditation or something and done that before too. But yeah,

2521
02:04:55,680 --> 02:04:59,120
Speaker 1: being in that in that moment was extraordinary eye opening.

2522
02:04:59,520 --> 02:05:02,520
Speaker 1: And I don't know I can come out positive from

2523
02:05:02,560 --> 02:05:06,360
Speaker 1: the experience because one everything went down textbook nothing really

2524
02:05:06,680 --> 02:05:10,040
Speaker 1: all that bad happened. And whether you believe in like

2525
02:05:10,080 --> 02:05:13,400
Speaker 1: a higher power wherever, um, you know, whether it's God

2526
02:05:13,480 --> 02:05:15,640
Speaker 1: just told me just hey, take take a chill pill,

2527
02:05:15,720 --> 02:05:17,440
Speaker 1: like slow down for a little bit, you know, like

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02:05:17,480 --> 02:05:20,560
Speaker 1: take some time. Yeah, exactly, like whatever it is, Like

2529
02:05:20,600 --> 02:05:23,640
Speaker 1: I don't know's you know, things happen for a reason.

2530
02:05:23,680 --> 02:05:25,320
Speaker 1: Is some people say, I don't know about that, but

2531
02:05:25,480 --> 02:05:28,960
Speaker 1: everything always works out in my suppos It's like yeah,

2532
02:05:29,000 --> 02:05:31,600
Speaker 1: it's like it's like maybe not the way that you

2533
02:05:31,720 --> 02:05:35,080
Speaker 1: planned or wanted to and like, you know, it always

2534
02:05:35,080 --> 02:05:39,120
Speaker 1: happens very very unexpectedly. But yeah, no, no, it's been

2535
02:05:39,320 --> 02:05:44,560
Speaker 1: a really really good experience. And you know, I'm sure

2536
02:05:44,600 --> 02:05:47,440
Speaker 1: there was fear, but like describe it, you know, the

2537
02:05:47,520 --> 02:05:51,120
Speaker 1: types of fear that you felt while you were there.

2538
02:05:51,120 --> 02:05:53,280
Speaker 1: I mean, there's fear for your life, there's feel for

2539
02:05:53,320 --> 02:05:56,160
Speaker 1: your you know, for your friends, there's there's all types

2540
02:05:56,200 --> 02:05:59,360
Speaker 1: of soul. It's funny. I've had that conversation before, people

2541
02:05:59,400 --> 02:06:02,440
Speaker 1: talked about it and this isn't like a form of

2542
02:06:02,520 --> 02:06:05,880
Speaker 1: bravado or like you know, manly is um when I

2543
02:06:05,920 --> 02:06:07,440
Speaker 1: when I say this, but I don't really think there

2544
02:06:07,600 --> 02:06:11,000
Speaker 1: was fear. And I think that was just experience that

2545
02:06:11,000 --> 02:06:13,560
Speaker 1: I've had before and having a clear head, because I

2546
02:06:13,600 --> 02:06:17,240
Speaker 1: think fear is very, very irrational. It's something that's concocted

2547
02:06:17,240 --> 02:06:20,080
Speaker 1: in your heads, um, like sharks in the water that

2548
02:06:20,120 --> 02:06:21,920
Speaker 1: you can't see, like that kind of dealing, like people

2549
02:06:21,960 --> 02:06:24,040
Speaker 1: to have a fear of that or fear of heights.

2550
02:06:24,040 --> 02:06:27,480
Speaker 1: And I'm sure there can be chemical imbalances with some

2551
02:06:27,520 --> 02:06:30,720
Speaker 1: people that like cause them to have irrational fears that, yeah,

2552
02:06:30,760 --> 02:06:32,560
Speaker 1: it takes a lot to get over. But when this

2553
02:06:32,640 --> 02:06:34,320
Speaker 1: is going down, I don't think it was fear as

2554
02:06:34,400 --> 02:06:39,440
Speaker 1: much as like a difference between fear and danger. And

2555
02:06:39,640 --> 02:06:41,880
Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly what he said, but it was

2556
02:06:41,920 --> 02:06:44,760
Speaker 1: a while ago that I heard Uli Steck talking about

2557
02:06:44,880 --> 02:06:47,120
Speaker 1: something similar. A while ago and if people aren't familiar

2558
02:06:47,120 --> 02:06:49,960
Speaker 1: with Steck, he did pass away, but he's very well

2559
02:06:50,000 --> 02:06:53,400
Speaker 1: known speed climber um, very well known for doing a

2560
02:06:53,440 --> 02:06:56,120
Speaker 1: lot of solo crazy stuff and eventually that did uh

2561
02:06:56,360 --> 02:06:58,320
Speaker 1: make him pass So you can think about them however

2562
02:06:58,360 --> 02:07:00,280
Speaker 1: you want. But he was talking about the different is

2563
02:07:00,360 --> 02:07:06,480
Speaker 1: between you know, danger and fear, and when you have fear,

2564
02:07:06,560 --> 02:07:08,600
Speaker 1: you're just it's just in your head, like there's no

2565
02:07:08,640 --> 02:07:10,839
Speaker 1: reasoning for it doesn't help you out, it doesn't do anything.

2566
02:07:10,880 --> 02:07:14,480
Speaker 1: But understanding that when there's dangers is very very real.

2567
02:07:14,560 --> 02:07:18,720
Speaker 1: And when that, when that initially happened, of course, everything

2568
02:07:18,720 --> 02:07:21,000
Speaker 1: going through you is very instinctiable when you have things

2569
02:07:21,040 --> 02:07:23,520
Speaker 1: that you do, and you know, the parasympic UH and

2570
02:07:23,720 --> 02:07:26,520
Speaker 1: sympathetic nervous system and fight or flight and freezing like

2571
02:07:26,560 --> 02:07:29,440
Speaker 1: all these other different things going on. And I know

2572
02:07:29,520 --> 02:07:32,240
Speaker 1: those things obviously happened, but as far as just going

2573
02:07:32,280 --> 02:07:33,880
Speaker 1: through my head, I don't think it was like, oh

2574
02:07:33,960 --> 02:07:37,680
Speaker 1: my god, I'm gonna die. It's like again, what am

2575
02:07:37,680 --> 02:07:40,400
Speaker 1: I gonna do? Like how do I control this situation?

2576
02:07:40,440 --> 02:07:42,920
Speaker 1: What control do I have? Do I have any control?

2577
02:07:42,960 --> 02:07:44,839
Speaker 1: You know? What are the things that I can control?

2578
02:07:45,320 --> 02:07:47,920
Speaker 1: And those were the things going through mind because I

2579
02:07:48,000 --> 02:07:50,920
Speaker 1: knew that fear in danger. But but yeah, I think

2580
02:07:50,920 --> 02:07:55,160
Speaker 1: it was just very um again, it's all a surreal experience,

2581
02:07:55,160 --> 02:07:59,280
Speaker 1: but just knowing that it's what you can and can't

2582
02:07:59,320 --> 02:08:02,880
Speaker 1: control and being in that situation to be like understanding

2583
02:08:03,000 --> 02:08:05,520
Speaker 1: is really is what it wasn't. It wasn't necessarily like

2584
02:08:05,560 --> 02:08:08,840
Speaker 1: oh my god fear like I'll stop what I'm you know,

2585
02:08:08,960 --> 02:08:11,480
Speaker 1: like I'm dead kind of deal. Yeah, I don't know

2586
02:08:12,080 --> 02:08:15,120
Speaker 1: me Like you just exerted some positivity into the and like,

2587
02:08:16,120 --> 02:08:18,480
Speaker 1: you know, it's not like you were like things are great. Yeah,

2588
02:08:18,880 --> 02:08:22,200
Speaker 1: well this is sprinkles, that's for sure, but like exerted

2589
02:08:22,360 --> 02:08:25,360
Speaker 1: some positive force into what was happening, like not like

2590
02:08:25,440 --> 02:08:27,520
Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm so stupid? Why did I hunt

2591
02:08:27,520 --> 02:08:29,640
Speaker 1: on a fogneck? Why am I getting mauled right now?

2592
02:08:30,320 --> 02:08:33,160
Speaker 1: More of just uh, what's the next thing? What's the

2593
02:08:33,200 --> 02:08:35,080
Speaker 1: next thing? What's the next thing I can do? What's

2594
02:08:35,080 --> 02:08:37,840
Speaker 1: the next thing that I can um express to my

2595
02:08:37,880 --> 02:08:40,240
Speaker 1: friends to help me get to the next to the

2596
02:08:40,280 --> 02:08:42,040
Speaker 1: point I have to get to live and be fine.

2597
02:08:42,080 --> 02:08:44,320
Speaker 1: And I'm sure that had a lot to do with

2598
02:08:45,120 --> 02:08:47,080
Speaker 1: to where we are today. But I guess we can

2599
02:08:47,080 --> 02:08:49,960
Speaker 1: close it out by saying, everything's fine. Everything's he's good.

2600
02:08:50,080 --> 02:08:52,360
Speaker 1: You look good, man, I mean everything looks fine to me.

2601
02:08:52,640 --> 02:08:55,560
Speaker 1: Heal and getting better. Everything downstairs going fine. Yeah, that's

2602
02:08:55,560 --> 02:08:58,760
Speaker 1: gonna be as far know, it's it's it's good. Uh,

2603
02:08:58,920 --> 02:09:02,080
Speaker 1: wounds are almost deal. I'm hoping on Tuesday will be like, okay,

2604
02:09:02,080 --> 02:09:04,360
Speaker 1: everything is close enough to the surface to take advantages

2605
02:09:04,400 --> 02:09:06,520
Speaker 1: off and let them do their things. Started physical therapy

2606
02:09:06,560 --> 02:09:09,040
Speaker 1: already and kind of got the range of motion back,

2607
02:09:09,200 --> 02:09:11,640
Speaker 1: you know, no more canes or walkers or anything. You know,

2608
02:09:11,640 --> 02:09:14,920
Speaker 1: I'm getting around and uh yeah, you should make it

2609
02:09:14,920 --> 02:09:18,080
Speaker 1: full recovery. Back to skiing, nice climbing, doing fun things.

2610
02:09:18,400 --> 02:09:21,680
Speaker 1: Hunting next season, Hunting next season. Well, I'm gonna look

2611
02:09:21,720 --> 02:09:24,720
Speaker 1: forward to those updates. But it's admirable the way that

2612
02:09:24,760 --> 02:09:28,560
Speaker 1: you approach this. Um. Like I said, this is this

2613
02:09:28,640 --> 02:09:31,800
Speaker 1: is everyone's worst nightmare in a lot of ways. UM,

2614
02:09:31,920 --> 02:09:33,760
Speaker 1: So I admire the way you approach it. I'm glad

2615
02:09:33,800 --> 02:09:39,880
Speaker 1: you're sitting here. Yeah, thanks many thanks. That's it. That's

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02:09:39,920 --> 02:09:44,920
Speaker 1: all another episode in the books Hunting Collective. Um. What

2617
02:09:45,040 --> 02:09:49,480
Speaker 1: I'll say about this story and Brad is that I

2618
02:09:49,600 --> 02:09:55,520
Speaker 1: was amazed by I was it was interested in every

2619
02:09:55,560 --> 02:10:00,200
Speaker 1: facet of it, and I'm very thankful that he uh

2620
02:10:00,480 --> 02:10:03,360
Speaker 1: shows us or was willing to tell that story on

2621
02:10:03,400 --> 02:10:05,640
Speaker 1: the air here with me the hunt Collective. I think

2622
02:10:05,640 --> 02:10:08,920
Speaker 1: it's one of the more useful stories and educational stories

2623
02:10:09,080 --> 02:10:11,560
Speaker 1: you can hear about how he survived, why he survived,

2624
02:10:11,600 --> 02:10:14,680
Speaker 1: and why it was the folks he chose to have

2625
02:10:14,800 --> 02:10:20,440
Speaker 1: with him that were um key to his survival. So

2626
02:10:21,840 --> 02:10:24,960
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, thank you to Brad. Glad you're live, bro,

2627
02:10:25,680 --> 02:10:28,120
Speaker 1: and you're glad, you're feeling good. So get back to it,

2628
02:10:28,400 --> 02:10:30,720
Speaker 1: get back to ice climb and get back to ski

2629
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Speaker 1: and get back to hunting, get back to life. Appreciate you.

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