WEBVTT - Fire Drill 078: LIV Reigns on the Block Party 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:00.840 Mm hmm. 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:07.680 A true peak experience that at the moment of life 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:11.600 when you want everything to come together, everything came together 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:12.160 for this guy. 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:18.680 I got thoughts in my head, I can't get him 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:24.919 join and not the thing well I'm thinking about, can't 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:29.440 get him out join, not the thing well I'm thinking about. 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:40.839 Hello and welcome back to another Fire Drill podcast. You 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:47.239 right again, Michael Bamberger, Alan Chipnuk here and it was. 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:49.559 It was quite a week at oak Hill at the 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:53.880 PGA Championship. Brooks Koepka he rides again as well. Fifth 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:58.480 major championship. One hell of a performance. Michael, talk to me, 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:01.319 what did you think about this week? What stands out 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:04.240 from the one hundred and fifth PGA Championship. 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:07.120 I mean, I loved it. We've been here before for 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:11.920 different things. It's really you know, people get confused between 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:15.960 Oakmand and Oakland Hills and oak Hill. There's actually three 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:19.880 very different courses and three very different cities. I would 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:24.039 actually say this is my favorite of the three. Actually 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:25.039 maybe by a lot. 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:26.440 That's a big statement. 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:30.520 How about for a course that you would want to 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:37.039 play from the appropriate tea Definitely Rochester, great town, wonderful people, 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:42.039 and it was you know they of course they did 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:44.399 get a little lucky with the weather, unlucky with Saturday. 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:46.520 That can always happen. It was fantastic that they were 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:51.320 able to get it in and just an absolutely compelling 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:56.080 week of pure golf. Really, don't you think, Oh. 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:57.480 Yeah, pure is a good word. This golf course is pure. 0:01:57.520 --> 0:02:01.760 It was an old school test. I mean the thick rough, 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:06.320 the the extreme greens. I thought it was great. And 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:09.480 actually you think the weather on Saturday was unlucky, I 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:12.680 thought it was fantastic. Like my dream week at a 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:16.000 major is three sunny, nice days and one day of hell. 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:19.160 That just pushes the players to the breaking point. You 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:22.280 had guys out there flinging drivers, flipping off the cup. 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:25.560 Jordan Speith of all people like Eddie Haskell dropped an 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:28.240 f bomb. You know, that's what you want in your 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:32.640 major championships, is you want to put extreme stress on 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:35.000 the players, and that that certainly happened with the foul 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:36.000 weather on Saturday. 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:38.639 Thirty mile an hour wind is more fun than half 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:40.000 an inch of rain or an inch of rain. 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:45.959 It was, Yeah it did, and yeah, I mean the 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:49.040 reborn o kill. You know, they took it back to 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:52.200 the future. I thought it looked so cool that the 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:54.920 square greens were really neat because they could put the 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:59.480 pins in the corners. They were ultra tucked and some 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:04.520 fun little fingers like the eighth hole today. And I 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:06.960 love the sort of the berms, the raised up berms 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:09.800 behind the greens that just framed them so beautifully when 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:12.080 you're looking down the fairway or even on TV and 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:17.519 it was I mean, you look at Brooks, Koepka, He's 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:23.640 now conquered Oak Hill, Beth Page, Shinnacock. I mean, that's 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:27.720 really macho. Those are three of the hardest courses in 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:32.280 championship golf. You just what a resume, and of course 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:35.880 five majors now he's These are the geniuses who have 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:39.880 won five major championships Seth A Reno, by Astero's Lord, 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:43.960 Byron Nelson and Peter Thompson, I mean all timers. I 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:47.480 mean those are generational talents. Those are icons. And Brooks 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:52.240 is right there and is not done. I mean he's motivated, 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:55.840 he's healthy, he's fired up, and it's just so impressive 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:58.440 to watch him because he keeps it very simple. You know, 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:02.480 It's like every putt has the perfect speed, every every 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:05.440 approach shot is pinned high, it's a bad drive. He 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:08.960 just gets back in play like he really, he's he's 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:13.360 he's reduced the game, the championship level, to the most 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:15.640 basic parts. I mean, it's impressive. It's it's it's a 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:16.680 reputable formula. 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:22.320 Yeah, you know, his swing now looks exactly like it 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:24.680 did when when he was at his prime. It doesn't 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:27.919 look any different. Ale, it's a big strong man's golf 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:30.760 swing like they all are today. You know. He takes 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:34.080 it back and then he lets it go and he 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:36.600 kind of holds on and it's nothing but fade shots. 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:39.279 It's high and it's in play, and if it fades 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:40.920 too much, you know, or if he pushes it, it's 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:42.800 in the right rough. But otherwise it's in the in 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:45.599 the faraway and in play. So he does make it 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:48.159 very simple. It's sort of low, low stress golf the 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:50.280 way the way he goes about it. 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:53.240 Yeah, he does. He does play a cut off the 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:55.360 tee almost exclusively. But I think it was interesting because 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:58.440 I was right behind the fourteenth tee. That's that incredible 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:01.599 drivel Part four that just looks so you stand in 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:04.640 the t box and it's such a panorama, and I 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:06.960 love that tabletop green and I think it's just one 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:09.720 of my favorite holes Championship golf all of a sudden, 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:12.000 but he played a big high draw. He needed a 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:14.640 extra carry and he just let that club go and 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:17.760 uh to having you know, hit nothing but fades and 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:19.600 then you come to a doer die hole and it 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:23.120 leads down to one and to pull that shot off 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:24.480 and put it up there on the green. I mean 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:27.720 that that was macho. That that is real lot. 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:29.560 Then where where did that shot pitch? 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:32.120 I mean landed right at the center of the green. 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:35.520 It just trickled about one step off, but nice flat, easy, 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:40.000 easy tuput and I mean it was yeah, yeah, it was. 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:41.360 It was one of those things it's hard to tell 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:42.960 on TV sometimes of ball fight. It's one of the 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:45.120 great things about being inside the ropes. And I was 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:50.880 sitting right on the t box and just majestic and uh, 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:54.040 you know, credit to Victor Hovlind. I mean he uh 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:56.960 he played lights out for fifteen holes, like he didn't 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:59.320 give in at all, and he even you know, Brooks 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:03.120 came out. I tweeted it was like it reminded me 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:06.640 of Secretary to the Belmont. You know, he is performing 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:10.080 like an incredible machine like Birdie Birdie. Birdie opened up 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:11.880 a three shot lead and looked like he might shoot 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:14.200 fifty five and win this thing by one hundred and 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:18.320 but Hoblin he never backed down and he just kept 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:20.960 coming and he you know, he had he had got 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:23.000 within one stroke and then had some bad luck in 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:25.880 the fairway bunker. But even that was was cool. You know, 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:28.880 Hobblin's making a mess in the sixteenth hole and kept 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:30.440 had to wait out there for a long time in 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:32.400 the faraway and then when it was his turn to hit, 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:34.320 he's knocked the flag stick over and that was like 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:36.960 it was a real exclamation point on the wind that 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:39.320 gave him a four stroke lead. And it was a 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:41.080 neat moment. I mean, it was sort of the signature 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:44.680 shot and it just speaks to his kind of ruthlessness, 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:47.920 like you you know, and Hoblin said, he's tough because 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:50.160 he doesn't give you anything. He just doesn't give you anything. 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:53.440 And it was a very it was a very relentless 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:54.800 performance by Kepka. 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:58.680 And it was made all the more impressive because of 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:01.560 course he could have won at Augusta this year and 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:03.760 he didn't have this Sunday that he wanted, wants you 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:06.440 to have and really, had he gone the first two 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:10.320 Sundays of the year, you know, not, it would have 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:12.560 been Greg Norman like to be the you know, right 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:14.880 there through fifty four whole and then sort of cough 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:17.720 it up on Sunday. And you don't want your name 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:21.720 associated with Greg Norman's name in that. In that sense, 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:25.240 I think your insight about the t shot on fourteen 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:27.720 is great. I feel like I've never seen him hit 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:30.160 a draw shout of my life, so I'm really interested 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:32.400 to hear this. And of course it brings to mind 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:34.679 Nicholas in his prime, because you know, everyone you stuck 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:37.600 by Nicholas's prime at Nicholas's distance in his prime, and 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:39.920 it was he was way longer probably than you know, 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:44.720 most everybody else. You know, a couple of weird odd exceptions. 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:48.880 But what people don't know is Nicholas fade fade, fade, 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:51.040 fade fade, and then when he had to turn it over, 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:53.960 you know, thirteen and at August National in his day, 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:56.200 for sure he did. And I actually did not know 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:58.280 that Kopka could do that under that kind of pressure. 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:01.200 But what you're describing is that you're and swing ten yards. 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:03.360 In other words, the draw shot has a chance of 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:07.080 carrying and the fade shot doesn't. And it's ballsy because 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:09.720 if you hit into that bank, you don't know what's 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:13.160 going to happen. Uh, you know, it could be a bogey. 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:16.640 So it's impressive what. 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:22.680 You're saying. Well, And and then another crucial moment was 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:25.520 the hole before that, you know, really long par five. 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:28.520 Nobody could reach it today Hovelin did with the birdie 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:32.320 Kepkaz hit a couple less than precise shots. He's got 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:36.160 this terrifying six or seven foot straight down the hill 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:39.040 to save par to only lose one stroke. If he 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:42.280 misses that putt, they're tied. This was to stay out 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:45.720 in front and a putt like that, man, it has 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:49.000 nothing to do with the technical proficiency, is just you 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:51.200 just have to will it into the hole. It's just 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:53.960 it's an x ray of the soul. And I mean, 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:57.960 he just he just gutted that putt and and he 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:00.840 kind of he swaggered of in this really neat empathy 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:03.320 to there at thirteen. I mean, it was a super 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:05.640 cool setting and the place went crazy when he made it. 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:09.760 And the way you know, we Brooks the physicality, just 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:11.760 the way he carries himself, the way he moves. You know, 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:14.559 he has a presence which is really rare. And there 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:16.640 was a little extra swager coming off with that green 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:19.079 and it was like, okay, this is getting real. And 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:20.840 then he went to the t and he hit that rope, 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:23.040 and if you're hobbling, you're like, man, what do I 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:24.480 have to do? Like I thought I had him, but 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:24.920 I don't. 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:30.959 He doesn't. He doesn't, you know, over seventy two holes, 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:35.840 it's not enough. Fifty four holes. Yeah, albind can play 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:38.640 with there. Habn's terrific and he's a great kid, and 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:41.720 he's got a great attitude. But just for pure talent, 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:44.600 you can just see it. If you watch it, you 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:45.160 can see it. 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:45.760 He's at it. 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:48.040 He is at another level. I don't think we should 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:51.400 go crazy just to one quick thought here. You know, 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:54.120 you say pure will, I would say, it's right out 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:57.720 of the Tiger school. It's actual technical perfection. But once 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:00.319 the technical perfection is all organized your mind what you're 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:04.160 actually going to do, then that just that hyper drive, 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:07.400 like Jimie was talking about with us earlier today, the 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:11.640 hyper drive of the elite athlete of like I deserve this. 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:14.959 That does I think that does kick in and we've 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:16.800 seen it, and that's one of the glories of golf. 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:19.280 I've seen with seven, we've seen it, Tiger definitely, so 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.080 with Nicholas Arnold and his day, this guy and that 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:26.040 he kind of can't imagine Victor Hoblin, who's a really 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:28.280 nice player and we'll have his chances and might win 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:32.720 a major maybe someday, but you can't see that part 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:35.280 in his game now. Justin Leonard weirdly had it, but 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:36.880 he didn't have it for the rest of the game. 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:40.560 You know, very few get everything, but the guys we're 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:44.760 talking about, John Rom, Rory and Brooks Skopka. I would say, really, 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:48.840 John Rom, you know, I mean for sure really do 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:52.559 have it. Seems pretty much everything plus drive, I mean 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.920 drive is that's really really it? 0:10:56.720 --> 0:11:00.400 Yeah, And you know, it's funny you mentioned Rory because 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:03.400 he was he was obviously a big focus of this week. 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:08.600 It's his in laws live in Rochester and he's a 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:13.280 member at Oak Hill and it's just the perennial, you know, 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:16.360 psychodrama of being a Rory maclroy fan. He just can't 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:18.880 like he was there, but he wasn't quite there. I 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:21.520 mean just a classic tie for seventh, kind of back 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:26.720 door performance by Rory. And you know him and Brooks 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:29.880 were tied with four majors for the last few years. 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:34.520 And imagine when when Rory won at Valhalla, you know, 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:37.360 he had four majors and Brooks had zero, and you 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:39.600 could have gotten pretty long odds about who is going 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:42.040 to get to five first, and Brooks did it. And 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:47.400 it's like, if you it's it's it's not set in stone, 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:49.080 it's not definitive. But when you talk about the best 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:51.880 player of sort of the post Tiger era, I mean 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:54.840 it's Rory, it's Brooks, it's Speed, and it's maybe Dustin 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:57.920 or the four guys in the conversation. Rom could play 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:00.800 his way in maybe Scheffler, But right now, when you 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:03.280 look at the resumes and you got to give it 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:05.840 to Brooks, I mean that the five majors is monumental. 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:11.080 It's really it really separates him. And so he's, you know, 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:14.600 you get to six, you're talking Trevino and Faldo. I mean, 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:18.640 he's he's scaling, he's heading towards the Mount Rushmore of 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:21.680 modern golfers here. If he can, he's basically of his 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:24.120 last twenty two major championship. He's won five of them, 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:27.960 you know, basically that's basically one a year, and so 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:28.760 if he can. 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:31.160 And two he sort of semi gave in, two semi 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:31.640 gave away. 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:34.840 Yeah, yeah, no, he's I mean, no one wins them 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:38.079 all except for Tiger. But you know, Brooks is now 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:42.320 four for five converting fifty four hole leads at the majors. 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:46.120 You know, he's he's a closer, and it's gonna be 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:47.680 fun to see where he goes from here because he's 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:51.160 clearly motivated and fired up. And you know, swing coach 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:53.440 Claude Harmon said to me, you know, this is Koepka 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:56.280 two point zero, and it's like he had all his injuries, 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:58.960 he's kind of re found himself. He's he's made the 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:02.800 jump to live. His wife's pregnant, he's married, Like he's 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:05.360 really in a different place as a golfer, as a 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:10.599 human and completely settled and healthy and hungry. So this 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:12.120 is a big this is a big one. 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:15.560 Let's go back to something here because I haven't heard 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:17.400 you on this. We haven't had a chance to really 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:21.679 talk since since it all wrapped up. What's your emotional 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:26.679 response as someone who loves golf and writes about golf 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:31.640 and is writing a book about live you you've you've 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:34.120 write about this guy a long time. You know, you're 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:37.880 probably when he was before what his first major? Maybe 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:39.880 you know you went deep with this guy. What is 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:43.080 your emotional response to him winning? And I and I 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.920 could add the part that you know that I'm thinking of, 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:51.840 which is his handling of that situation at Augusta National 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:54.600 on the on the fifteenth pole when the caddy clearly, clearly, 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:59.840 clearly said that to Carrie Woodland's caddy that his managers hit. 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:03.760 Five or yeah, that was a missed opportunity for Brooks 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:07.479 to do something really special. He could have elevated himself 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:10.760 into the Bobby Jones category of sportsmanship if he had 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:16.840 called that penalty on himself. And I think you know, 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:19.920 for him, he's he obviously refers back to team sports 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:22.760 as his frame of reference. And I think he took 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:26.120 that like, hey, man, you know, no one in Major 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:28.120 League Baseball or then be, no one calls a penalty 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:29.920 on themselves. They don't, they don't tip off the ref 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:32.720 they stepped out of bounds. And I think he felt 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:36.240 like his little ticky tack he wasn't totally involved, whether 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:39.880 he believe the glove hand or not. And but it 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:42.880 was a missed opportunity. I mean, Bobby Jones, you know, 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:45.480 called penalties on himself and back to back us opens 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:48.080 in the twenties and we're the nineteen twenties, we're still 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:52.520 talking about it, you know, his I think it would 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:56.480 have been amazing if Brooks had done it. But setting that aside, 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:57.800 and we'll come I want to hear your thoughts on that. 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:00.440 We'll come back to that for you. But I think 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:02.800 I think this was this was a really impactful victory. 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:05.920 The larger landscape, you know, is this this ongoing battle 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:10.040 between the tour and Live Golf. This is meaningful. I 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:13.240 mean that Live Golf now has has two of the 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:16.120 reigning major championship winners with Brooks and and Cam Smith. 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:18.440 It looks like Brooks is gonna is gonna be the 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:20.560 alpha of the sport here for a while, and so 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:24.040 it definitely recalibrates things. And he could also be the 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:26.760 bridge because he's gonna play his way onto the Ryder 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:28.840 Cup team just through points. They're not gonna be able 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:32.560 to keep him off of it, and uh, that opens 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:35.400 the door to maybe pick Dustin as you know who 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:37.200 he could play his way on through points as well, 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:38.560 but he's not. He has been doing it in the 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:41.560 majors and that that would that would sort of tear 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:44.479 down the wall a little bit. And you know, Brooks 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:47.560 has not talked any trash in this, in this battle 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:50.240 between the tours. He's kept a low profile and he 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:52.160 was not a party to the lawsuits. You know, he 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:54.080 has not stirred it up. He's not been like a 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:57.840 Poulter or a Westwood or a Garcia. He just kind 0:15:57.880 --> 0:15:59.480 of kept his head down. He made a decision for 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:01.880 him that he thought was best, but he hasn't been 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:05.000 trying to stick it to the man. And so I 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:08.800 think his credibility as as a human, but especially as 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:12.120 a player, you know, he could he could he could 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:14.880 be a bridge to help, you know, get in trying 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:17.920 to reunify the sport in some way. And so I 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:20.320 think it's a huge victory for him his place in 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:23.040 the pantheon, but also for the what's happening in this 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:25.000 in the sport. I was rooting for him because it's 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:27.320 obviously good for the book, but I also just think 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:29.720 Brooks is he's this cool I mean, there's just something 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:32.680 about him. He has a mystique, and I think there's 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:37.240 a there's there's something magnetic about him that that attracts 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:41.680 casual fans. Uh. And you know, he's his wife has 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:44.160 a very high profile on social media. She kind of 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:47.240 adds a little star dust to their whole their whole life. 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:49.720 And he's alviously, he's a good looking guy. He's got 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:51.920 the Nike deal. You know, they'll they'll they'll get a 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:54.880 lot of mileage out of this. So I think I 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:58.600 think it's really impactful. So let's talk about your thoughts, because. 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:03.480 Just before, let me ask this because everyone thinks they know, 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:06.359 but you might know more than others. To what degree 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:09.080 did he join live so that his brother could could 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:12.199 make a living playing professional golf? And for those who 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:16.040 don't know Chase Keepka, it is what is Chase Keopka's 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:17.200 live status right now? Alan? 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:20.000 For those who don't know, Yeah, I mean he's they're 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:23.280 on he he's they're on the same team. He has 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:26.400 to finish. If you anyone who finished in the top 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:28.800 twenty four of their money list this year is guaranteed 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:32.639 a spot next year. But Brooks, being the captain of 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:35.119 the team can more or less pick anybody they want, 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:38.560 anybody he wants, and Chase is a really sweet kid. 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:41.520 Everyone loves him. Like I would say that Chase is 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:43.119 going to be on Live as long as his brother 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:46.880 is on Live. And so that's for for a young 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:48.920 playerho's never been able to find his footing on any 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:51.399 major tour, it's a huge deal. And you know Brooks 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:55.359 loves his brother, and that that was I equate it to. 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:58.200 You see this in college basketball where there's an incredible 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:02.040 prospect and a score hires the kid's dad as an 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:05.119 assistant coach so they can get That's kind of what 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:07.720 Lived did with with Chase. They signed up Chase first. 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:09.880 That was an inducement to make sure Brooks came over. 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:13.280 And you know, there's something sweet about it. I mean, 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:16.800 I think that was definitely a factor in Brooks's decision. 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:18.960 Like he's kind of like, I'm gonna be fine either way, 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:21.040 but I can set my brother up for life as 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:26.560 a golfer. And you know, they they won one in 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:29.000 uh in Jedda last year. They won as a team, 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:31.879 and Brooks had promised Chase, you would buy him a 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:34.639 new car if they if they won, the team element 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:37.760 happens to be a lime green Lamborghini because that's how 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:40.800 they roll in the Koepka family, and I live golf. 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:43.080 But you know that that was a big deal for them, 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:44.840 like he was. I think Brooks was more excited about 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:47.120 the team victory than his own individual one because they 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:49.040 had this whole little thing with his brother. So it's 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:49.480 kind of a. 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:53.879 Cute story that Chase Koepka looks like a Honda Civic 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:55.159 driver exactly. 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:59.280 I know it's so great, But Michael, you've written about this, 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:03.919 you've talked about it, But why why is it so 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:07.160 fundamental to you what happened in the in the fifteenth 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:08.480 fairway to Gusta National. 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:15.560 Well, it's just so basic. If you don't play golf 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:18.239 by the rules, the whole thing follows apart. It's been 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:21.680 said a million times and it is a rule of golf. 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:25.400 People who I don't want to be critical, people who 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:27.520 think about the game differently than I am, not saying 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:29.760 I quote think about the game the right way. But 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:34.600 there's there's a reason why you're not allowed to share 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:38.840 what the robo claus advice, which is actually information about 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:41.360 the club that you just hit. There's a reason why 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:43.679 there's lots of reasons why. They all make sense if 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:46.200 you start to think about them. But if you're giving 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:48.480 information in your group and another group's not, it's not 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:51.320 a team sport, it's an individual sport. So if you're 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:53.920 if information is being exchanged in your group, then it's 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:56.800 not being changed in another group. It puts you at 0:19:56.840 --> 0:20:00.440 an unfair It puts you at a the other group 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:06.720 has an unfair disadvantage. The idea of the rules of 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:09.439 officer to create a level playing field. It was so 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:14.040 obvious to everybody that the caddy said to the other 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:17.040 caddy that Kepkaz caddy said to Woodland's caddy that he 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:20.640 hit a fiburn the rule books. So some might say, oh, 0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:23.320 but that's just the caddy, it wasn't the player, But 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:25.680 that's not what the rule book says. So if you're 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:28.400 not going to simply go by what the rule book says, 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:32.879 you're kind of really just sort of kissing off something 0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:37.399 that's actually at the very core of the game. And 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:42.280 it would have been just so great for him to say, yeah, 0:20:42.320 --> 0:20:44.040 I didn't know what the caddy was doing. He's a 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:47.480 great caddy, but he crossed the line. There other guys 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:49.680 do it, but the fact is nobody should do it. 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:52.840 That's really what should have been said, in my opinion, 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:55.040 I don't like to use the word should. But of 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:57.639 course that's not what happened. What very likely happen, and 0:20:57.680 --> 0:20:59.440 I'm not saying I know what happened because I don't, 0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:02.399 is that they went in, they watched the tape and 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:04.399 they said, yeah, what you think you saw isn't actually 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:06.840 what happened. But we know what happened because we saw it. 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:09.600 So I think he really hurt the game. I know 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:13.760 it a ghosta national there was no one who It's 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:16.320 hard to imagine someone was rooting for brooks Kopka to 0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:19.919 win that Masters, So by extension, it was hard for me, 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:22.840 even though I think he's an impressive golfer. Of course 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:26.359 physically I find him to be an impressive person. I 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:27.919 like watching him on the range. I like the way 0:21:27.960 --> 0:21:31.000 he carries himself. I like his no bullshit quality. But 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:34.760 real no bullshit quality is to stand up and say, yeah, 0:21:34.800 --> 0:21:37.040 something went wrong there, to give me the two shots 0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:40.359 I deserve him. That would have been just appropriate, not 0:21:40.440 --> 0:21:43.399 even like great, just appropriate really, So when he didn't 0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:47.240 do that, it just makes me think very differently about him. 0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:51.119 And actually I can feel even in me this whole 0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:55.639 notion of everybody loves the winner, because like the area 0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:57.439 was interviewing, you know, the way I was in a 0:21:57.440 --> 0:22:03.160 group interviewing the Ricky that his caddy afterwards and kept 0:22:03.240 --> 0:22:06.119 as impressive in victory. People love a winner. But the 0:22:06.200 --> 0:22:11.760 fact is he kind of hurt golf actually in a 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:18.080 significant in a significant way, because it's another it's another 0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:22.520 pin in the value system of what makes golf golf 0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:23.440 in the first place. 0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:26.560 Yeah, I mean, probably the best thing that ever happened 0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:29.720 to Brooks Cupic was not winning that Masters, because when 0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:33.320 Rom took the green jacket, that kind of faded away 0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:35.800 and it became a one day story and something that 0:22:35.840 --> 0:22:39.520 followed him for the rest of his life. But it's 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:43.320 and it's interesting that Augusta. I almost feel like they 0:22:43.600 --> 0:22:45.919 could have imposed the penalty. They have the power to 0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:48.080 do that, but it was almost like, we're gonna leave 0:22:48.080 --> 0:22:50.320 this up to you. Do you want to be Bobby 0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:54.639 Jones or not that it was almost like they just 0:22:54.800 --> 0:22:58.719 it was a test. But I love that you're so 0:22:58.760 --> 0:23:01.199 passionate about this because everyone else has already moved on. 0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:03.159 But It's part of what makes me who you are, 0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:06.480 Michael is you care so deeply and these things stick 0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:09.600 with you. So I think it's valid. It's worth discussing it. 0:23:09.600 --> 0:23:14.760 It did reveal a certain value system for the people involved. 0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:20.760 And you know, it's like, it's not like Brooks, It's 0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:23.439 not an issue of cheating. It was more it was 0:23:23.520 --> 0:23:27.000 more of an issue of personal responsibility, right, Like, this 0:23:27.160 --> 0:23:32.320 was a moment to do something really special and the 0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:33.200 moment passed. 0:23:34.960 --> 0:23:38.600 Cheating sort of implies a willful attempt to gain an advantage. 0:23:38.840 --> 0:23:40.720 But in the end of the day, he did get 0:23:40.720 --> 0:23:43.040 the advantage because he didn't get the two shots, and 0:23:43.080 --> 0:23:46.359 of course he desperately needed those two shots. Believe me, 0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:49.119 if I if the penalty had been well, this is 0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:51.200 your warning, but next time you're going to get the 0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:52.960 two shots. He said, Okay, accept the warning. 0:23:52.960 --> 0:23:53.320 You're right. 0:23:53.840 --> 0:23:57.720 So I don't know, I don't think people honestly care 0:23:57.880 --> 0:24:00.119 what I think. I mean, not personally what I think. 0:24:00.160 --> 0:24:02.679 But I think this whole thing about oh, you're so 0:24:02.800 --> 0:24:04.800 into the rules. Anybody who was like, oh you're so 0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:09.920 into the rules, they just see golf differently. They and 0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:13.080 so it's kind of hard, you know, it's kind of 0:24:13.119 --> 0:24:15.680 like where the political divide is now in this country. 0:24:16.160 --> 0:24:18.480 It's like it's so hard to talk to somebody who 0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:22.160 has differing different politics than you do. Everyone's so hardened 0:24:22.160 --> 0:24:25.959 in their positions. But to me, this is what golf is. 0:24:26.040 --> 0:24:31.360 It is what makes golf special. And what you said, Alan, 0:24:31.440 --> 0:24:34.560 I believe is correct. Like Augusta does have a tradition 0:24:34.640 --> 0:24:37.160 of saying, let's see if you'll just do the right 0:24:37.200 --> 0:24:39.000 thing on your own, we don't want to force you 0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:42.080 into it. They do have Aerian tradition doing that. 0:24:43.000 --> 0:24:45.280 Well. The interesting thing is so often the player doesn't 0:24:45.320 --> 0:24:47.600 do the right thing. I mean, tigers drop in twenty 0:24:47.680 --> 0:24:50.600 thirty and he could have decued himself, but he just 0:24:50.960 --> 0:24:54.280 they kind of gave him an out, you know, Ernie 0:24:54.560 --> 0:24:58.400 with the stacked wood one hundred yards into the forest 0:24:58.520 --> 0:25:00.359 like you took that free drop and a heart beat. 0:25:01.640 --> 0:25:08.000 It's the players, you know that they're always pressing advantage, 0:25:08.080 --> 0:25:10.800 the pressure of the masters, the desire to win. It 0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:14.440 is run so deep, it's it is revealing in those moments. 0:25:14.640 --> 0:25:18.480 But let's let's talk about what was undoubtedly a feel 0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:21.600 good story this week, which is Michael Block, who You're 0:25:21.640 --> 0:25:24.840 You're typing about for firepay Collective dot com this evening. 0:25:26.680 --> 0:25:28.199 I mean, the guy didn't make a birdie today, and 0:25:28.359 --> 0:25:30.720 somehow we stole the show, Like, what was your read 0:25:30.800 --> 0:25:32.160 on on this character? 0:25:32.200 --> 0:25:34.760 He didn't make a birdie, but he made an eagle. 0:25:35.119 --> 0:25:38.400 Yeah, he made an I know it was pretty you 0:25:38.440 --> 0:25:39.119 could you hear it? 0:25:39.160 --> 0:25:39.400 Alan? 0:25:40.119 --> 0:25:46.120 Oh yeah? Yeah yeah. Where where were you were you on? No, 0:25:46.240 --> 0:25:48.520 it was he was more groups ahead. We were, I 0:25:48.520 --> 0:25:52.680 think on twelve, so we were pretty geographically a little 0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:55.359 far away, but it was like it was a It 0:25:55.440 --> 0:25:58.280 was definitely it was. It was not a bird you roar. 0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:01.080 It wasn't even really an It wasn't even even like 0:26:01.119 --> 0:26:03.840 a lot. It was something unique and if any other 0:26:03.880 --> 0:26:05.520 player in the field had made that, he said, it 0:26:05.520 --> 0:26:07.360 wouldn't have been as loud. But there was something cathartic 0:26:07.400 --> 0:26:09.360 about Block doing it. 0:26:10.280 --> 0:26:12.280 Yeah. I mean you were a thousand yards away and 0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:14.200 you could hear oh yeah yeah. 0:26:14.440 --> 0:26:16.400 People are looking each other raising their eyebrows like wow, 0:26:16.400 --> 0:26:17.560 something just happened. 0:26:18.400 --> 0:26:20.960 Yeah, it was loud. I talked to a guy who 0:26:21.000 --> 0:26:23.200 was on the tea spectator, guy who's been to Augusta 0:26:23.240 --> 0:26:27.600 a lot, who's heard ones at twelve and sixteen at Augusta, 0:26:27.880 --> 0:26:30.040 and he said that this was as loud as anything 0:26:30.040 --> 0:26:33.600 he's ever heard at Augusta. But anyway, on the chance 0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:38.119 that anybody who is listening hasn't heard Michael Block, a 0:26:38.200 --> 0:26:41.600 true club pro and a public course in southern California 0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:46.359 was between he's been playing his bottom of first off. 0:26:46.400 --> 0:26:48.400 You know, for those who don't know, I think most 0:26:48.440 --> 0:26:51.399 do Twenty club pros get to play in the PGA Championship. 0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:55.680 It's put on by the association, the Professional Golfers Association America. 0:26:55.960 --> 0:26:57.960 It used to be forty before that, it was way 0:26:58.000 --> 0:27:01.040 more than that. Now it sounded twenty club pros what 0:27:01.080 --> 0:27:03.720 the US what what amateur golf is to the masters, 0:27:04.080 --> 0:27:07.919 and what sectional guys who play their way in in 0:27:07.960 --> 0:27:10.240 the US is to the US Open. The club pro 0:27:10.400 --> 0:27:12.920 is to the PJA Championship, fundamental part of the game. 0:27:13.160 --> 0:27:15.240 But there were many years when no clip pro he 0:27:15.320 --> 0:27:17.480 makes the cut. Now you got a club pro who's 0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:20.040 playing with Rory McElroy, you know, fighting for like a 0:27:20.080 --> 0:27:23.199 top fifteen position in the in the final round of 0:27:23.240 --> 0:27:25.639 a really difficult golf course, and this guy hits it 0:27:26.520 --> 0:27:31.919 way shorter. This is not hyperbolic than Alan chipnook and 0:27:32.000 --> 0:27:34.600 by the way, the guy's forty six. The guy's forty 0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:42.119 six swings slow anyway. He was between a chipping a 0:27:42.160 --> 0:27:44.320 six iron and as his guy he told me chipping 0:27:44.320 --> 0:27:46.919 his six iron and a driving range seven iron. He 0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:49.920 hit the driving seven ron on the fly into the 0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:52.520 back of the cup. Now, often when you hit a 0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:54.760 when you hit a driving range seven iron and towerything 0:27:55.160 --> 0:27:57.080 into the back of the cup, it will not go 0:27:57.119 --> 0:27:59.640 in the hall because a lot can go wrong. By 0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:04.080 everything went right, because everything went right, because everything was 0:28:04.119 --> 0:28:06.640 going right. And he seems like an absolutely great guy, 0:28:06.800 --> 0:28:09.280 is kat He seems like an absolute great guy. He's 0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:13.320 playing next week in colonially, just got a special exemption 0:28:13.440 --> 0:28:16.640 sponsors exemption excuse me into the Colonial Tournament next week. 0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:23.160 So it's absolutely fabulous for golf to see this happen, 0:28:23.960 --> 0:28:27.920 because this is really what this particular championship is all about, 0:28:27.920 --> 0:28:30.439 but really really what golf is all about, you know 0:28:30.480 --> 0:28:33.200 part of it. By that, I mean the dream machine 0:28:33.240 --> 0:28:36.440 of golf that Tom Layman had, you know, in his thirties, 0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:39.880 finally starting to playing Hogan in his thirties, finally starting 0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:46.000 to play good golf. Just Jack Fleck against Hogan. I mean, 0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:49.800 there's been many examples over the years of this guy having, 0:28:49.840 --> 0:28:52.320 you know what, Michael Murphy Cold in Golf in the Kingdom, 0:28:52.560 --> 0:28:56.400 a true peak experience that at the moment of life 0:28:56.440 --> 0:29:00.360 when you want everything to come together, everything came together 0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:02.760 for this guy. 0:29:02.160 --> 0:29:05.800 And he also he radiated so much gratitude. He was 0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:08.760 such a fun character and he let people in. You know, 0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:12.960 a club plow, a club pro playing that well is 0:29:13.560 --> 0:29:15.800 is a cool story. But it must have had nearly 0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:18.320 the traction if he wasn't. He was kind of a ham. 0:29:18.360 --> 0:29:20.800 He was loving the attention, he was playing to the crowd. 0:29:21.400 --> 0:29:23.360 He was just spooning up the whole thing and it 0:29:23.440 --> 0:29:25.880 was fun. It made it made it fun for everybody 0:29:25.880 --> 0:29:29.440 because you could really feel what he was feeling. You know, 0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:34.360 he kind of he's a very expressive, emotive personality and 0:29:34.360 --> 0:29:36.160 and today you know he was there was so much 0:29:36.160 --> 0:29:37.800 at stake, like he was never gonna win the tournament. 0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:39.760 That was too big an ask. But if you could 0:29:39.760 --> 0:29:43.480 finish top fifteen, he earns an automatic invitation back to 0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:46.400 the PGA Championship next year. Top ten would have got 0:29:46.440 --> 0:29:50.360 him into a PGA Torvet. Top four get to Itto 0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:52.720 the Masters. And then there's the actual money. You know, 0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:54.880 I don't know if the guy's salaries about one hundred 0:29:54.880 --> 0:29:56.840 thousand dollars one hundred and twenty, you know, which doesn't 0:29:56.880 --> 0:29:59.760 go very far in California. And you know, if you 0:29:59.760 --> 0:30:02.040 fit his top ten, you're gonna make half a million here, 0:30:02.120 --> 0:30:05.720 like actual life changing money. That term gets thrown around 0:30:05.760 --> 0:30:07.920 a lot, but in this case it really could be. 0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:11.040 And and so he was struggling out there. He hadn't 0:30:11.040 --> 0:30:13.400 made a birdie, and he was he was fighting so 0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:16.120 hard and getting up and down, and then to make 0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:18.520 that ace was so cathartic, and that's really what pushed 0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:20.960 him into the top fifteen and punched his ticket to 0:30:21.000 --> 0:30:24.480 the PGA next year. And so it was it was 0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:26.760 a neat moment, and he you know, he really was 0:30:26.840 --> 0:30:28.320 one of the stars. And it was cute to see 0:30:28.400 --> 0:30:30.400 Rory who was and his caddie were both, you know, 0:30:30.560 --> 0:30:34.800 so into it and the hugs and the tears, and 0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:40.720 it's it's the golf is funny because you know, I'm 0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:42.960 a huge basketball fan, but I can I can watch 0:30:43.000 --> 0:30:45.600 him big playoffs and know that I could never step 0:30:45.600 --> 0:30:47.960 out on the court and hang with those guys, right 0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:51.120 i'd be a joke. But for this guy to walk 0:30:51.160 --> 0:30:53.880 out of the pro shop and to be inside the 0:30:53.960 --> 0:30:56.200 ropes like it was, it was really everyone was living 0:30:56.280 --> 0:31:00.000 vicariously through him, and it was it was special. Yeah. 0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:02.040 And there have been there have been club pros who 0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:04.160 play at a really high level, you know, almost like 0:31:04.160 --> 0:31:07.400 a tour level, But this guy isn't really one of them, 0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:09.440 you know, from what I could see. He pitches it 0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:12.760 and chips it and puts beautifully, but he's so short, 0:31:12.960 --> 0:31:15.360 you know, he's just I know, Rory's really long. But 0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:18.960 Rory was literally forty fifty yards best this guy. You know, 0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:21.720 at least twenty yards best this guy. 0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:25.200 So I think like seventy I think Rory was seventy 0:31:25.240 --> 0:31:26.080 yards in front of him. 0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:28.120 But he was, Oh he happy with some of the drugs. 0:31:28.160 --> 0:31:30.040 Yeah, yeah, no, But this is a good golf course 0:31:30.040 --> 0:31:32.280 because hitting in the ferry was such a big advantage. 0:31:32.320 --> 0:31:35.440 And he is this guy Block is really, i mean 0:31:35.480 --> 0:31:39.160 really precise with his irons and his hybrids, and I 0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:43.480 mean he's dangerous. At Colonial you went, you at Quail Hollow, 0:31:43.520 --> 0:31:45.240 we'd have no chance, or one of these courses that 0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:47.920 really if you can fly at three ten it's cool. 0:31:48.240 --> 0:31:50.360 Colonial is cool. I mean, if he could ride this 0:31:50.400 --> 0:31:52.000 way for another week, who knows. I mean, I'm sure 0:31:52.000 --> 0:31:55.920 he's exhausted. But like of all the courses on tour, 0:31:56.000 --> 0:31:58.560 you know, a Colonial or a pebble or like a 0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:01.520 you know, a whilea something like that, there's only a 0:32:01.520 --> 0:32:04.440 handful that a guy that as short as him it 0:32:04.600 --> 0:32:07.520 could even be in the conversation. So yeah, it was 0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:11.160 talking about a star. I mean, he just he was. 0:32:11.320 --> 0:32:14.120 It's amazing. I mean, to anyone who would be so 0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:16.960 cheap as to say that there should be fewer than 0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:19.960 twenty club pros and this thing, I mean, I can't 0:32:20.000 --> 0:32:22.640 even begin to tell you how much I disagree with that. 0:32:23.360 --> 0:32:27.040 I know, And forty probably was too many because you 0:32:27.080 --> 0:32:30.239 had even forty had you had years or you know, 0:32:30.400 --> 0:32:32.040 maybe one or two or making the cut and they 0:32:32.080 --> 0:32:36.000 were finishing at the very bottom. But twenty is a 0:32:36.040 --> 0:32:36.640 good number. 0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:41.080 There's one hundred and thirty six tour players in here. 0:32:41.320 --> 0:32:42.680 If you're not one of the one hundred and thirty 0:32:42.680 --> 0:32:47.000 six best guys, we can do without you, no offense 0:32:47.000 --> 0:32:48.440 to whoever was one hundred and thirty seventh, you know 0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:50.840 what I mean, Like, yeah, but there's there's myriad ways 0:32:50.880 --> 0:32:53.160 you can play your way into this, and if you haven't, 0:32:53.720 --> 0:32:56.040 I think you forfeit the right to complain about it. So, yeah, 0:32:56.040 --> 0:32:58.560 it was. It was, and you know we should we 0:32:58.560 --> 0:33:01.920 should acknowledge our calling. Matt Chanella. He just put out 0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:05.760 this week a podcast about the club pro crisis, because 0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:09.320 it's really a job, that's how. It's very demanding, and 0:33:09.920 --> 0:33:13.440 a lot of courses and clubs are having trouble attracting 0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:16.680 and retaining talent. And you know, Matt did a tremendous 0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:20.080 job pulling a lot of different voices together, Sethwa who 0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:23.360 runs a PG of America, butch Harmon, a bunch of 0:33:23.400 --> 0:33:27.840 others and it's really interesting and insightful and obviously timely. 0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:31.400 Part two will come out next week on Tuesday, And 0:33:31.600 --> 0:33:34.360 I would encourage anyone who was sort of charmed by 0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:38.120 by Michael Block to listen to these podcasts because it 0:33:39.400 --> 0:33:41.200 probably a lot of us think, oh man, the club 0:33:41.200 --> 0:33:42.880 pro job would be so cool. All you do is 0:33:42.920 --> 0:33:44.960 hang out and drink beer with your members, and you 0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:48.040 go and play Skins games and you get to hit 0:33:48.120 --> 0:33:50.720 balls for two hours on your lunch and happy that 0:33:51.560 --> 0:33:53.480 if it was ever like that, it's not like that anymore. 0:33:53.520 --> 0:33:55.120 It's a tough it's a tough job. 0:33:55.640 --> 0:33:59.040 Most people know. It's nothing like that. It's get there, 0:33:59.320 --> 0:34:02.560 you know, it's rise and be there at sunset, and 0:34:03.000 --> 0:34:05.320 if the kid doesn't show up, you're sweeping the cart 0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:08.359 burn because nobody else will do it. I think they're 0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:12.239 low wages, tough jobs. As Michael Block was saying, six 0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:16.840 hundred bosses. The accountant thinks he's an agronomist, and the 0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:18.400 lawyer thinks he's a chef. 0:34:18.520 --> 0:34:18.719 You know. 0:34:19.680 --> 0:34:23.239 At the very yeah, he was funny as hell, but 0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:29.920 he really he really knows golf in ways that others don't. 0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:32.000 So yeah, they bring. 0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:32.359 A lot to it. 0:34:32.560 --> 0:34:35.120 This is a weird kind of nod. I don't even 0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:36.919 know if it was wilful. But not to the PG 0:34:37.080 --> 0:34:42.040 America And okay, well, first one quick, not to Carrie Haig, 0:34:42.160 --> 0:34:44.240 who sets up the courses for the PG of America. 0:34:44.239 --> 0:34:47.680 It's been said many times, it really is true. This 0:34:47.719 --> 0:34:50.920 is how you set up a golf course. It was perfect. 0:34:51.239 --> 0:34:53.719 The part fives are perfect, Part three is perfect. The 0:34:53.800 --> 0:34:57.040 green speed was just right, the rough was just right, 0:34:57.520 --> 0:35:01.319 the fairly with was just right, the tea times, the 0:35:01.400 --> 0:35:06.000 groupings or the pairings. Everything made sense. So you can 0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:08.360 say about the Page America every year, but this year especially, 0:35:08.400 --> 0:35:10.160 but this was the thing, and Allan and I commented 0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:15.120 a few times there was a co mingling of fan 0:35:15.360 --> 0:35:19.360 and player and caddy and reporters. They in the parking 0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:23.799 lot around the clubhouse out on the golf course. In 0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:26.840 recent years, in part because of the security, which is an 0:35:26.920 --> 0:35:30.600 underspendable thing, everyone's been sort of cordoned off in like 0:35:30.680 --> 0:35:32.840 some years literally if you want to get a you know, 0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:34.640 if a kid wants to get an autograph, there's like 0:35:34.680 --> 0:35:37.200 a fence or something. And this wasn't like this. So 0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:41.279 it was much looser, kind of but not disorganized, but 0:35:41.400 --> 0:35:44.239 appropriately loose, and it was great. It was great for 0:35:44.320 --> 0:35:46.319 us as reporters, but beyond us, I think it was 0:35:46.360 --> 0:35:49.319 great for fans. They could be just leaving and there 0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:53.399 were the players walking to their cars and it's kind 0:35:53.400 --> 0:35:56.239 of like it just sort of makes the player in 0:35:56.520 --> 0:35:59.320 a regular human being, which of course he is, except 0:35:59.320 --> 0:36:00.160 for his skill. 0:36:01.000 --> 0:36:02.920 It was so refreshing coming out of a gust or 0:36:02.920 --> 0:36:05.560 everything so up tight and regimented. It was a freewheeling 0:36:05.960 --> 0:36:08.320 element to this, and there was a couple of times today, 0:36:08.360 --> 0:36:10.560 following the last group where they just let the fans 0:36:10.600 --> 0:36:12.839 walk down the fairway behind the players, you know, and 0:36:13.280 --> 0:36:15.680 it was it was orderly, it never got crazy, and 0:36:16.880 --> 0:36:21.200 it was neat. I agree. And you look at Brooks 0:36:21.239 --> 0:36:23.200 like he made he made seven birdies today like this 0:36:23.400 --> 0:36:27.960 course rewarded good shots, but he also made four bogies. 0:36:28.120 --> 0:36:29.799 If you got out of position, you hit a bad shot, 0:36:29.800 --> 0:36:32.640 then you were punished severely. And that's cool. I mean, 0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:35.600 you don't want to you don't want to course so 0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:38.880 hard that the guys can't make birdies and it's flawed, 0:36:38.920 --> 0:36:40.480 but you don't want you don't want it to be 0:36:40.520 --> 0:36:42.960 a pushover, like it's a hard balance to strike. It 0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:45.240 really is. And as you said, they nailed it this week. 0:36:46.000 --> 0:36:49.680 Yeah, and you know, the ordinary thing can't be expected 0:36:49.960 --> 0:36:53.920 to know this sort of thing. But the stakes are 0:36:54.040 --> 0:36:57.440 so high now with everything in life, it seems so. 0:36:58.360 --> 0:37:00.879 The pat of America made a big decision. Their hand 0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:03.560 was forced to some degree by the PJ Tour to 0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:08.000 move their championship from August to May, and in so 0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:12.239 doing they might algically said, well then we can't. Then 0:37:12.719 --> 0:37:15.759 we already have a date for Rochester for okill but 0:37:15.880 --> 0:37:17.680 we're just going to have to change it because the 0:37:18.040 --> 0:37:21.919 weather is too unpredictable, which it is. But they rolled 0:37:21.960 --> 0:37:27.680 the dice and it worked out beautifully. But there's a 0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:30.000 lot of that in golf. Has been said many times. 0:37:30.000 --> 0:37:34.239 It isn't after sport. It is unpredictable. But it makes 0:37:34.280 --> 0:37:36.520 you think that you could come back here. Maybe if 0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:38.759 you hadn't one week later and May it would be 0:37:39.040 --> 0:37:42.720 even even more maybe predictable, and it wouldn't be graduation 0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:45.360 season with such a stress on the on the hotels. 0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:47.719 But well, like I said, when it works since you 0:37:47.800 --> 0:37:49.560 get to Memorial Day. But the point being is that 0:37:49.840 --> 0:37:53.239 they rolled the dice. It takes balls to do it. 0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:53.799 Uh. 0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:58.080 Pipabaqua was the CEO of the PGF Americ at the time, 0:37:58.160 --> 0:38:01.200 and and and he he okay, the idea approved the 0:38:01.239 --> 0:38:03.840 idea of of of even when switching to me in 0:38:03.920 --> 0:38:06.839 the first place, I was dubious about it. I think 0:38:06.840 --> 0:38:10.480 it's working out well. And then sethwell, the current CEO, 0:38:10.960 --> 0:38:14.000 you know, kept it in place, and hats off to them. 0:38:14.040 --> 0:38:18.279 You know that I think this organization because it has 0:38:18.320 --> 0:38:22.800 a sort of fussy history. A lot of it dates 0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:25.480 back to you know, the Caucasian only clothes and other things. 0:38:25.920 --> 0:38:28.319 But they are really trying hard, and I'm sure Matt 0:38:28.360 --> 0:38:31.439 got into this sentence podcast. They are really trying hard 0:38:31.520 --> 0:38:37.120 to modernize and just make the game accessible to really 0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:40.640 anybody who wants to play it. And that's a really 0:38:40.680 --> 0:38:42.400 really I mean, if you love golf like we do, 0:38:42.600 --> 0:38:46.120 that's a really important function. And I'm glad to see 0:38:46.120 --> 0:38:50.640 the PGA of America, the organization and their championship, you know, 0:38:50.920 --> 0:38:53.120 really have a week to celebrate what they do, because 0:38:53.160 --> 0:38:55.160 it was it was great. It was a great week 0:38:55.200 --> 0:38:57.359 of golf. Even if I'm in Biflin Belt the lead, 0:38:57.920 --> 0:39:00.760 the winner, it was terrific. 0:39:01.480 --> 0:39:03.879 Yeah, No, I root for the pg of America. There's 0:39:05.000 --> 0:39:08.239 some of the governing bodies, some of the some of 0:39:08.280 --> 0:39:11.919 the institutions I root against just instinctively, But the pH 0:39:12.000 --> 0:39:15.480 of America, like they try hard. You know, it's it's 0:39:15.520 --> 0:39:19.160 it's not they have two of the five biggest events 0:39:19.160 --> 0:39:23.080 professional golf, including the Ryder Cup, but it's not what 0:39:23.160 --> 0:39:26.040 they do, you know, fifty one or fifty fifty weeks 0:39:26.040 --> 0:39:29.200 a year, and so there's always a little free wheeling 0:39:29.200 --> 0:39:31.919 element to these things, and it's things are a little 0:39:31.920 --> 0:39:34.640 loose to goosey, but it makes it more fun and 0:39:34.880 --> 0:39:36.879 I think it sets the tone for the whole week. 0:39:36.960 --> 0:39:40.080 So I agree it was fantastic. But before we go, 0:39:40.239 --> 0:39:42.200 just a couple of quick shoutouts on the leader board. 0:39:42.280 --> 0:39:45.480 We should recognize Bryson Deshambo back from the dead. I 0:39:45.480 --> 0:39:49.600 mean he he had four solid rounds, finished tied for fourth, 0:39:49.719 --> 0:39:54.080 and we had some fun interactions. I know you you did. 0:39:54.160 --> 0:39:59.400 You were impressed by Bryson's normalcy and humanity. 0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:01.600 I don't know what they did with him, I know, 0:40:01.600 --> 0:40:04.720 I even saying about that of you. Of late, Allan's 0:40:04.719 --> 0:40:07.800 had a thing here lately for the listener. Oh, Michael, 0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:10.920 you take the bed with you know the facility on 0:40:11.080 --> 0:40:14.600 suite Michael, you choose the restaurant, like I talk to 0:40:14.600 --> 0:40:18.000 myfe Christine. I don't know what they've done with Alan shitnuck. 0:40:18.360 --> 0:40:20.000 Anyway, I'm trying to be accommodating. 0:40:22.040 --> 0:40:23.440 I don't know what they did with this Bryce and 0:40:23.480 --> 0:40:27.239 d Chambeau. But he went from nutjob. And I'm not 0:40:27.280 --> 0:40:29.240 saying that in a literal way, So please don't assume 0:40:29.239 --> 0:40:32.239 me if you've got Patrick Reid's lure from nutjob to 0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:36.040 like totally saying human being. Like everything you said this 0:40:36.080 --> 0:40:40.480 week you could understand. There was no hieroglyphics or foreign 0:40:40.560 --> 0:40:45.760 language or you know, Archimedes principles. It was just golf 0:40:45.960 --> 0:40:47.000 and it was kind of neat. 0:40:48.280 --> 0:40:51.600 Yeah. Yeah. And Scottie Seffler, I mean it seems like 0:40:51.800 --> 0:40:54.719 he played terrible yesterday and you wound up finishing the 0:40:54.719 --> 0:40:57.600 tide for second. Like I think this is thirteen straight 0:40:57.680 --> 0:41:02.680 top tens for Skyty Scheffler, the second longest streak the 0:41:02.719 --> 0:41:05.799 sight of Tiger Woods, and you know in the last 0:41:05.880 --> 0:41:06.720 whatever quarter century. 0:41:07.440 --> 0:41:09.080 Let me ask you this before we click off here, 0:41:11.719 --> 0:41:16.319 what this really is this week is a even like 0:41:16.400 --> 0:41:18.440 it feels like a feel good week, and it is 0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:22.520 and it was. But in terms of the geopolitics of golf, 0:41:22.560 --> 0:41:24.360 which I think people are bored of talking about, but 0:41:24.400 --> 0:41:27.640 it is a real thing. It complicates golf. You have 0:41:27.760 --> 0:41:30.719 to live golfer win a major, you can put to 0:41:30.800 --> 0:41:32.840 rest the argument, oh they can't. You know, there are 0:41:32.880 --> 0:41:34.759 fifty four hole golfers now, they're not going to win 0:41:34.800 --> 0:41:39.120 seventy two. It complicates Ryder Cup golf. It complicates the 0:41:39.200 --> 0:41:43.040 Deaton or not the daytape, the war really between the 0:41:43.040 --> 0:41:47.480 PGA Tour nobody wants war for too long you get 0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:50.479 tired of it. He kills people. What do you think 0:41:50.520 --> 0:41:53.720 this tournament means in the short long term? In other words, 0:41:54.080 --> 0:41:58.200 this year, Ryder Cup, going into next year, lawsuits and 0:41:58.239 --> 0:42:01.960 the rest, this particular their PJA Championship with this Live 0:42:02.080 --> 0:42:04.359 Golf winner, what do you think it means for the 0:42:04.360 --> 0:42:07.399 future of the of the fight between the PJ Tour 0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:07.960 and Live. 0:42:09.680 --> 0:42:10.960 Yeah, we have a lot have to see how it 0:42:10.960 --> 0:42:15.520 plays out. I feel like the stronger the position that 0:42:15.560 --> 0:42:18.279 Live is in, the more likely the tour is to 0:42:18.360 --> 0:42:23.440 compromise and the tour. The tour is holding a hard line. 0:42:23.520 --> 0:42:26.400 You know, they have to because otherwise they'll lose more players. 0:42:26.440 --> 0:42:28.640 So they they've been hard asses all the way through, 0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:34.080 and I understand why it makes business sense. But you know, 0:42:34.120 --> 0:42:36.600 if Live is struggling, if if they're not, if they're 0:42:36.920 --> 0:42:39.000 their players aren't playing well, if they're if they're not 0:42:39.000 --> 0:42:41.600 getting world ranking points, then then there's the tour can 0:42:41.640 --> 0:42:43.600 just keep going and feel like they can win this 0:42:43.640 --> 0:42:46.000 war of attrition and they can produce. They can pick 0:42:46.080 --> 0:42:47.719 up the best players come out of college and this 0:42:47.760 --> 0:42:50.080 and that. But if Live is coming from a position 0:42:50.080 --> 0:42:52.200 to strength I think it makes a compromise more likely, 0:42:52.600 --> 0:42:55.400 and I think ultimately compromises what's going to what you 0:42:55.480 --> 0:42:57.240 want and what a lot of golf fans want where 0:42:57.440 --> 0:42:58.960 we can just kind of move on from this. So 0:42:59.480 --> 0:43:02.640 I think the more these guys play well the majors, 0:43:03.680 --> 0:43:07.800 the more that they assert themselves, I think that brings 0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:12.320 the PJ Tour to the table, not imminently, but just philosophically, 0:43:12.440 --> 0:43:16.120 Like this is you know, j J. Monha must have 0:43:16.160 --> 0:43:19.520 heartburn tonight because I mean he went to Brooks Kepka's 0:43:19.520 --> 0:43:23.920 wedding last June, like they were clothed, and Brooks made 0:43:23.960 --> 0:43:28.719 a business decision and now he's return to the front 0:43:28.800 --> 0:43:31.240 rakes of the game. And it doesn't serve the pgs 0:43:31.320 --> 0:43:33.920 or not to have access to Brooks Koepka, you know, 0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:37.359 it really doesn't. It's a huge loss as they're trying 0:43:37.400 --> 0:43:40.920 to attract sponsors and if you're sponsored an event and 0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:43.799 you're like my favorite guys, and I mean to me, 0:43:45.360 --> 0:43:48.200 the players I enjoy watching most in golf are Cam Smith, 0:43:48.280 --> 0:43:53.759 Dustin Johnson, Phil Micholson, Jordan Spieth, Scotti Scheffler. But I 0:43:53.800 --> 0:43:55.360 would say live as three of the five guys I 0:43:55.360 --> 0:43:57.920 think are the most fun to watch, and you know, 0:43:57.960 --> 0:44:00.520 if you're a tournament director, you want those guys in field, 0:44:00.640 --> 0:44:05.440 and now you have Brooks. It's just like, I think 0:44:05.480 --> 0:44:08.840 that this is a setback for the tour, but that 0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:11.360 makes it more helpful for the big picture. That's my feeling. 0:44:11.440 --> 0:44:15.120 But you know there's ebbs and flows, but certainly you 0:44:15.120 --> 0:44:18.960 know the live guys brought the heat at Augusta. You 0:44:19.000 --> 0:44:23.439 know you have Brooks finishes fourth here, Bryson's fourth, Cam 0:44:23.520 --> 0:44:28.360 Smith is ninth, Mido Pereira is eighteen. Patrick reiders on 0:44:28.400 --> 0:44:30.200 the board for a long time. He just fell off. 0:44:30.200 --> 0:44:33.160 But it's not like only one guy that's carrying the flag. 0:44:33.200 --> 0:44:36.040 I mean they've there. Brooks has been the keynote player, 0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:39.040 but there's other guys who are who are making making 0:44:39.080 --> 0:44:43.279 a run. So this this definitely, as you say, complicates things, 0:44:43.320 --> 0:44:45.719 but it might also clarify. Like, Okay, if you're Jay 0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:49.920 Wantaghan and you're and you're Rory and you're Tiger, you 0:44:49.960 --> 0:44:51.680 know the guys were setting policy. Like it's like what 0:44:51.680 --> 0:44:55.480 are we doing here? Like we've we we we've reshaped 0:44:55.520 --> 0:44:57.400 the tour, We've made it more attractive where all the 0:44:57.400 --> 0:45:01.160 top guys are getting paid, but we're missing out on 0:45:01.200 --> 0:45:05.000 so many players that folks care about, and so I 0:45:05.000 --> 0:45:08.480 think this could hasten some sort of some sort of 0:45:08.800 --> 0:45:11.680 larger conversation. But we're still a long way from an 0:45:11.719 --> 0:45:14.960 actual compromise. But it's got to start with the desire 0:45:15.239 --> 0:45:18.720 to make it so, and I think this helps achieve 0:45:18.760 --> 0:45:25.839 that well. I think not only has this been an 0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:28.040 excellent podcast, but I'm going to miss the last bus 0:45:28.040 --> 0:45:30.359 out of here, so I got to go. People are 0:45:30.360 --> 0:45:33.360 backing up. I'm getting the stink guy from the security guys. 0:45:33.960 --> 0:45:36.239 But Michael, this is so fun. I missed podcasting with you, 0:45:37.280 --> 0:45:40.680 and I enjoyed our week together. I can't wait to 0:45:40.719 --> 0:45:43.680 read your story on mister Block. I'm writing about Brooks 0:45:43.800 --> 0:45:48.640 and Hoveland and what it all means. So that'll be 0:45:48.719 --> 0:45:51.200 all over Firepit Collective dot com. Hope you guys check 0:45:51.239 --> 0:45:54.120 those stories out. Thanks for listening. We appreciate your fidelity. 0:45:55.239 --> 0:45:58.520 Michaelot will be at the US Open and points in between. 0:45:58.640 --> 0:46:03.080 So for Michael Bamberger, this is Alan ship Nike. 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