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Speaker 2: A true peak experience that at the moment of life

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Speaker 2: when you want everything to come together, everything came together

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Speaker 2: for this guy.

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome back to another Fire Drill podcast. You

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Speaker 1: right again, Michael Bamberger, Alan Chipnuk here and it was.

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Speaker 1: It was quite a week at oak Hill at the

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Speaker 1: PGA Championship. Brooks Koepka he rides again as well. Fifth

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Speaker 1: major championship. One hell of a performance. Michael, talk to me,

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Speaker 1: what did you think about this week? What stands out

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Speaker 1: from the one hundred and fifth PGA Championship.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I loved it. We've been here before for

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Speaker 2: different things. It's really you know, people get confused between

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Speaker 2: Oakmand and Oakland Hills and oak Hill. There's actually three

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Speaker 2: very different courses and three very different cities. I would

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Speaker 1: That's a big statement.

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Speaker 2: How about for a course that you would want to

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Speaker 2: play from the appropriate tea Definitely Rochester, great town, wonderful people,

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Speaker 2: and it was you know they of course they did

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Speaker 2: get a little lucky with the weather, unlucky with Saturday.

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Speaker 2: That can always happen. It was fantastic that they were

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Speaker 2: week of pure golf. Really, don't you think, Oh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, pure is a good word. This golf course is pure.

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Speaker 1: It was an old school test. I mean the thick rough,

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Speaker 1: thought it was fantastic. Like my dream week at a

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Speaker 1: major is three sunny, nice days and one day of hell.

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Speaker 1: That just pushes the players to the breaking point. You

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Speaker 1: Jordan Speith of all people like Eddie Haskell dropped an

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Speaker 2: Thirty mile an hour wind is more fun than half

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Speaker 1: It was, Yeah it did, and yeah, I mean the

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Speaker 1: now conquered Oak Hill, Beth Page, Shinnacock. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: really macho. Those are three of the hardest courses in

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Speaker 1: won five major championships Seth A Reno, by Astero's Lord,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, his swing now looks exactly like it

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Speaker 2: swing like they all are today. You know. He takes

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Speaker 2: It's high and it's in play, and if it fades

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Speaker 2: But what people don't know is Nicholas fade fade, fade,

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Speaker 2: in the first place.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, probably the best thing that ever happened

431
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Speaker 1: to Brooks Cupic was not winning that Masters, because when

432
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Speaker 1: Rom took the green jacket, that kind of faded away

433
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Speaker 1: and it became a one day story and something that

434
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Speaker 1: followed him for the rest of his life. But it's

435
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Speaker 1: and it's interesting that Augusta. I almost feel like they

436
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Speaker 1: could have imposed the penalty. They have the power to

437
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Speaker 1: do that, but it was almost like, we're gonna leave

438
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Speaker 1: this up to you. Do you want to be Bobby

439
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:54,639
Speaker 1: Jones or not that it was almost like they just

440
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Speaker 1: it was a test. But I love that you're so

441
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Speaker 1: passionate about this because everyone else has already moved on.

442
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,159
Speaker 1: But It's part of what makes me who you are,

443
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Speaker 1: Michael is you care so deeply and these things stick

444
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Speaker 1: with you. So I think it's valid. It's worth discussing it.

445
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Speaker 1: It did reveal a certain value system for the people involved.

446
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Speaker 1: And you know, it's like, it's not like Brooks, It's

447
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 1: not an issue of cheating. It was more it was

448
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: more of an issue of personal responsibility, right, Like, this

449
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Speaker 1: was a moment to do something really special and the

450
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Speaker 1: moment passed.

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Speaker 2: Cheating sort of implies a willful attempt to gain an advantage.

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Speaker 2: But in the end of the day, he did get

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Speaker 2: the advantage because he didn't get the two shots, and

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Speaker 2: of course he desperately needed those two shots. Believe me,

455
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Speaker 2: if I if the penalty had been well, this is

456
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Speaker 2: your warning, but next time you're going to get the

457
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Speaker 2: two shots. He said, Okay, accept the warning.

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Speaker 1: You're right.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know, I don't think people honestly care

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Speaker 2: what I think. I mean, not personally what I think.

461
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Speaker 2: But I think this whole thing about oh, you're so

462
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Speaker 2: into the rules. Anybody who was like, oh you're so

463
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Speaker 2: into the rules, they just see golf differently. They and

464
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Speaker 2: so it's kind of hard, you know, it's kind of

465
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Speaker 2: like where the political divide is now in this country.

466
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Speaker 2: It's like it's so hard to talk to somebody who

467
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Speaker 2: has differing different politics than you do. Everyone's so hardened

468
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Speaker 2: in their positions. But to me, this is what golf is.

469
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Speaker 2: It is what makes golf special. And what you said, Alan,

470
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Speaker 2: I believe is correct. Like Augusta does have a tradition

471
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Speaker 2: of saying, let's see if you'll just do the right

472
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Speaker 2: thing on your own, we don't want to force you

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Speaker 2: into it. They do have Aerian tradition doing that.

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Speaker 1: Well. The interesting thing is so often the player doesn't

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Speaker 1: do the right thing. I mean, tigers drop in twenty

476
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Speaker 1: thirty and he could have decued himself, but he just

477
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Speaker 1: they kind of gave him an out, you know, Ernie

478
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Speaker 1: with the stacked wood one hundred yards into the forest

479
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Speaker 1: like you took that free drop and a heart beat.

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00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: It's the players, you know that they're always pressing advantage,

481
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: the pressure of the masters, the desire to win. It

482
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Speaker 1: is run so deep, it's it is revealing in those moments.

483
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Speaker 1: But let's let's talk about what was undoubtedly a feel

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Speaker 1: good story this week, which is Michael Block, who You're

485
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Speaker 1: You're typing about for firepay Collective dot com this evening.

486
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Speaker 1: I mean, the guy didn't make a birdie today, and

487
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Speaker 1: somehow we stole the show, Like, what was your read

488
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Speaker 1: on on this character?

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Speaker 2: He didn't make a birdie, but he made an eagle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he made an I know it was pretty you

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Speaker 1: could you hear it?

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Speaker 2: Alan?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah? Yeah yeah. Where where were you were you on? No,

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Speaker 1: it was he was more groups ahead. We were, I

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Speaker 1: think on twelve, so we were pretty geographically a little

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Speaker 1: far away, but it was like it was a It

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Speaker 1: was definitely it was. It was not a bird you roar.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't even really an It wasn't even even like

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Speaker 1: a lot. It was something unique and if any other

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Speaker 1: player in the field had made that, he said, it

501
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Speaker 1: wouldn't have been as loud. But there was something cathartic

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Speaker 1: about Block doing it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean you were a thousand yards away and

504
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Speaker 2: you could hear oh yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: People are looking each other raising their eyebrows like wow,

506
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Speaker 1: something just happened.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was loud. I talked to a guy who

508
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Speaker 2: was on the tea spectator, guy who's been to Augusta

509
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Speaker 2: a lot, who's heard ones at twelve and sixteen at Augusta,

510
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Speaker 2: and he said that this was as loud as anything

511
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Speaker 2: he's ever heard at Augusta. But anyway, on the chance

512
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Speaker 2: that anybody who is listening hasn't heard Michael Block, a

513
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Speaker 2: true club pro and a public course in southern California

514
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Speaker 2: was between he's been playing his bottom of first off.

515
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Speaker 2: You know, for those who don't know, I think most

516
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Speaker 2: do Twenty club pros get to play in the PGA Championship.

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Speaker 2: It's put on by the association, the Professional Golfers Association America.

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Speaker 2: It used to be forty before that, it was way

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Speaker 2: more than that. Now it sounded twenty club pros what

520
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 2: the US what what amateur golf is to the masters,

521
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 2: and what sectional guys who play their way in in

522
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 2: the US is to the US Open. The club pro

523
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 2: is to the PJA Championship, fundamental part of the game.

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Speaker 2: But there were many years when no clip pro he

525
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Speaker 2: makes the cut. Now you got a club pro who's

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Speaker 2: playing with Rory McElroy, you know, fighting for like a

527
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Speaker 2: top fifteen position in the in the final round of

528
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Speaker 2: a really difficult golf course, and this guy hits it

529
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Speaker 2: way shorter. This is not hyperbolic than Alan chipnook and

530
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Speaker 2: by the way, the guy's forty six. The guy's forty

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Speaker 2: six swings slow anyway. He was between a chipping a

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Speaker 2: six iron and as his guy he told me chipping

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Speaker 2: his six iron and a driving range seven iron. He

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Speaker 2: hit the driving seven ron on the fly into the

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Speaker 2: back of the cup. Now, often when you hit a

536
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Speaker 2: when you hit a driving range seven iron and towerything

537
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Speaker 2: into the back of the cup, it will not go

538
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 2: in the hall because a lot can go wrong. By

539
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 2: everything went right, because everything went right, because everything was

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Speaker 2: going right. And he seems like an absolutely great guy,

541
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Speaker 2: is kat He seems like an absolute great guy. He's

542
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Speaker 2: playing next week in colonially, just got a special exemption

543
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 2: sponsors exemption excuse me into the Colonial Tournament next week.

544
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Speaker 2: So it's absolutely fabulous for golf to see this happen,

545
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Speaker 2: because this is really what this particular championship is all about,

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Speaker 2: but really really what golf is all about, you know

547
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 2: part of it. By that, I mean the dream machine

548
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 2: of golf that Tom Layman had, you know, in his thirties,

549
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 2: finally starting to playing Hogan in his thirties, finally starting

550
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: to play good golf. Just Jack Fleck against Hogan. I mean,

551
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Speaker 2: there's been many examples over the years of this guy having,

552
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 2: you know what, Michael Murphy Cold in Golf in the Kingdom,

553
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: a true peak experience that at the moment of life

554
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Speaker 2: when you want everything to come together, everything came together

555
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Speaker 2: for this guy.

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Speaker 1: And he also he radiated so much gratitude. He was

557
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: such a fun character and he let people in. You know,

558
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: a club plow, a club pro playing that well is

559
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: is a cool story. But it must have had nearly

560
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: the traction if he wasn't. He was kind of a ham.

561
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: He was loving the attention, he was playing to the crowd.

562
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: He was just spooning up the whole thing and it

563
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: was fun. It made it made it fun for everybody

564
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Speaker 1: because you could really feel what he was feeling. You know,

565
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Speaker 1: he kind of he's a very expressive, emotive personality and

566
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Speaker 1: and today you know he was there was so much

567
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: at stake, like he was never gonna win the tournament.

568
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: That was too big an ask. But if you could

569
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Speaker 1: finish top fifteen, he earns an automatic invitation back to

570
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Speaker 1: the PGA Championship next year. Top ten would have got

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Speaker 1: him into a PGA Torvet. Top four get to Itto

572
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Speaker 1: the Masters. And then there's the actual money. You know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if the guy's salaries about one hundred

574
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: thousand dollars one hundred and twenty, you know, which doesn't

575
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: go very far in California. And you know, if you

576
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: fit his top ten, you're gonna make half a million here,

577
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Speaker 1: like actual life changing money. That term gets thrown around

578
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: a lot, but in this case it really could be.

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Speaker 1: And and so he was struggling out there. He hadn't

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00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: made a birdie, and he was he was fighting so

581
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: hard and getting up and down, and then to make

582
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: that ace was so cathartic, and that's really what pushed

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Speaker 1: him into the top fifteen and punched his ticket to

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Speaker 1: the PGA next year. And so it was it was

585
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Speaker 1: a neat moment, and he you know, he really was

586
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Speaker 1: one of the stars. And it was cute to see

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Speaker 1: Rory who was and his caddie were both, you know,

588
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: so into it and the hugs and the tears, and

589
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: it's it's the golf is funny because you know, I'm

590
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: a huge basketball fan, but I can I can watch

591
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: him big playoffs and know that I could never step

592
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: out on the court and hang with those guys, right

593
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: i'd be a joke. But for this guy to walk

594
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Speaker 1: out of the pro shop and to be inside the

595
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: ropes like it was, it was really everyone was living

596
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Speaker 1: vicariously through him, and it was it was special. Yeah.

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00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 2: And there have been there have been club pros who

598
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 2: play at a really high level, you know, almost like

599
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 2: a tour level, But this guy isn't really one of them,

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00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 2: you know, from what I could see. He pitches it

601
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 2: and chips it and puts beautifully, but he's so short,

602
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 2: you know, he's just I know, Rory's really long. But

603
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 2: Rory was literally forty fifty yards best this guy. You know,

604
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 2: at least twenty yards best this guy.

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Speaker 1: So I think like seventy I think Rory was seventy

606
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Speaker 1: yards in front of him.

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Speaker 2: But he was, Oh he happy with some of the drugs.

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00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, But this is a good golf course

609
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: because hitting in the ferry was such a big advantage.

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00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: And he is this guy Block is really, i mean

611
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: really precise with his irons and his hybrids, and I

612
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: mean he's dangerous. At Colonial you went, you at Quail Hollow,

613
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: we'd have no chance, or one of these courses that

614
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: really if you can fly at three ten it's cool.

615
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: Colonial is cool. I mean, if he could ride this

616
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Speaker 1: way for another week, who knows. I mean, I'm sure

617
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: he's exhausted. But like of all the courses on tour,

618
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: you know, a Colonial or a pebble or like a

619
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Speaker 1: you know, a whilea something like that, there's only a

620
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: handful that a guy that as short as him it

621
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Speaker 1: could even be in the conversation. So yeah, it was

622
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Speaker 1: talking about a star. I mean, he just he was.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing. I mean, to anyone who would be so

624
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 2: cheap as to say that there should be fewer than

625
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: twenty club pros and this thing, I mean, I can't

626
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 2: even begin to tell you how much I disagree with that.

627
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 2: I know, And forty probably was too many because you

628
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,239
Speaker 2: had even forty had you had years or you know,

629
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Speaker 2: maybe one or two or making the cut and they

630
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: were finishing at the very bottom. But twenty is a

631
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 2: good number.

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00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: There's one hundred and thirty six tour players in here.

633
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Speaker 1: If you're not one of the one hundred and thirty

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Speaker 1: six best guys, we can do without you, no offense

635
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: to whoever was one hundred and thirty seventh, you know

636
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, yeah, but there's there's myriad ways

637
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: you can play your way into this, and if you haven't,

638
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: I think you forfeit the right to complain about it. So, yeah,

639
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: it was. It was, and you know we should we

640
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: should acknowledge our calling. Matt Chanella. He just put out

641
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: this week a podcast about the club pro crisis, because

642
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: it's really a job, that's how. It's very demanding, and

643
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: a lot of courses and clubs are having trouble attracting

644
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: and retaining talent. And you know, Matt did a tremendous

645
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Speaker 1: job pulling a lot of different voices together, Sethwa who

646
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Speaker 1: runs a PG of America, butch Harmon, a bunch of

647
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Speaker 1: others and it's really interesting and insightful and obviously timely.

648
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Speaker 1: Part two will come out next week on Tuesday, And

649
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Speaker 1: I would encourage anyone who was sort of charmed by

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Speaker 1: by Michael Block to listen to these podcasts because it

651
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: probably a lot of us think, oh man, the club

652
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: pro job would be so cool. All you do is

653
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: hang out and drink beer with your members, and you

654
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: go and play Skins games and you get to hit

655
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: balls for two hours on your lunch and happy that

656
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Speaker 1: if it was ever like that, it's not like that anymore.

657
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: It's a tough it's a tough job.

658
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Speaker 2: Most people know. It's nothing like that. It's get there,

659
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 2: you know, it's rise and be there at sunset, and

660
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 2: if the kid doesn't show up, you're sweeping the cart

661
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 2: burn because nobody else will do it. I think they're

662
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 2: low wages, tough jobs. As Michael Block was saying, six

663
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 2: hundred bosses. The accountant thinks he's an agronomist, and the

664
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Speaker 2: lawyer thinks he's a chef.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: At the very yeah, he was funny as hell, but

667
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 2: he really he really knows golf in ways that others don't.

668
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, they bring.

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Speaker 1: A lot to it.

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Speaker 2: This is a weird kind of nod. I don't even

671
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:36,919
Speaker 2: know if it was wilful. But not to the PG

672
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Speaker 2: America And okay, well, first one quick, not to Carrie Haig,

673
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 2: who sets up the courses for the PG of America.

674
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Speaker 2: It's been said many times, it really is true. This

675
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Speaker 2: is how you set up a golf course. It was perfect.

676
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 2: The part fives are perfect, Part three is perfect. The

677
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 2: green speed was just right, the rough was just right,

678
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 2: the fairly with was just right, the tea times, the

679
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 2: groupings or the pairings. Everything made sense. So you can

680
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 2: say about the Page America every year, but this year especially,

681
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: but this was the thing, and Allan and I commented

682
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: a few times there was a co mingling of fan

683
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 2: and player and caddy and reporters. They in the parking

684
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 2: lot around the clubhouse out on the golf course. In

685
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 2: recent years, in part because of the security, which is an

686
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 2: underspendable thing, everyone's been sort of cordoned off in like

687
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 2: some years literally if you want to get a you know,

688
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 2: if a kid wants to get an autograph, there's like

689
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 2: a fence or something. And this wasn't like this. So

690
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 2: it was much looser, kind of but not disorganized, but

691
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 2: appropriately loose, and it was great. It was great for

692
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Speaker 2: us as reporters, but beyond us, I think it was

693
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 2: great for fans. They could be just leaving and there

694
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Speaker 2: were the players walking to their cars and it's kind

695
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 2: of like it just sort of makes the player in

696
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 2: a regular human being, which of course he is, except

697
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Speaker 2: for his skill.

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Speaker 1: It was so refreshing coming out of a gust or

699
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: everything so up tight and regimented. It was a freewheeling

700
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: element to this, and there was a couple of times today,

701
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Speaker 1: following the last group where they just let the fans

702
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: walk down the fairway behind the players, you know, and

703
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: it was it was orderly, it never got crazy, and

704
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: it was neat. I agree. And you look at Brooks

705
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: like he made he made seven birdies today like this

706
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: course rewarded good shots, but he also made four bogies.

707
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Speaker 1: If you got out of position, you hit a bad shot,

708
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: then you were punished severely. And that's cool. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you don't want to you don't want to course so

710
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: hard that the guys can't make birdies and it's flawed,

711
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: but you don't want you don't want it to be

712
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: a pushover, like it's a hard balance to strike. It

713
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,240
Speaker 1: really is. And as you said, they nailed it this week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, the ordinary thing can't be expected

715
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 2: to know this sort of thing. But the stakes are

716
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 2: so high now with everything in life, it seems so.

717
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 2: The pat of America made a big decision. Their hand

718
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 2: was forced to some degree by the PJ Tour to

719
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: move their championship from August to May, and in so

720
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Speaker 2: doing they might algically said, well then we can't. Then

721
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Speaker 2: we already have a date for Rochester for okill but

722
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Speaker 2: we're just going to have to change it because the

723
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Speaker 2: weather is too unpredictable, which it is. But they rolled

724
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Speaker 2: the dice and it worked out beautifully. But there's a

725
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 2: lot of that in golf. Has been said many times.

726
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 2: It isn't after sport. It is unpredictable. But it makes

727
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: you think that you could come back here. Maybe if

728
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 2: you hadn't one week later and May it would be

729
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,720
Speaker 2: even even more maybe predictable, and it wouldn't be graduation

730
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Speaker 2: season with such a stress on the on the hotels.

731
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Speaker 2: But well, like I said, when it works since you

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Speaker 2: get to Memorial Day. But the point being is that

733
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Speaker 2: they rolled the dice. It takes balls to do it.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Pipabaqua was the CEO of the PGF Americ at the time,

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Speaker 2: and and and he he okay, the idea approved the

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Speaker 2: idea of of of even when switching to me in

738
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Speaker 2: the first place, I was dubious about it. I think

739
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Speaker 2: it's working out well. And then sethwell, the current CEO,

740
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: you know, kept it in place, and hats off to them.

741
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 2: You know that I think this organization because it has

742
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 2: a sort of fussy history. A lot of it dates

743
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 2: back to you know, the Caucasian only clothes and other things.

744
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 2: But they are really trying hard, and I'm sure Matt

745
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 2: got into this sentence podcast. They are really trying hard

746
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Speaker 2: to modernize and just make the game accessible to really

747
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 2: anybody who wants to play it. And that's a really

748
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 2: really I mean, if you love golf like we do,

749
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Speaker 2: that's a really important function. And I'm glad to see

750
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Speaker 2: the PGA of America, the organization and their championship, you know,

751
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 2: really have a week to celebrate what they do, because

752
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 2: it was it was great. It was a great week

753
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 2: of golf. Even if I'm in Biflin Belt the lead,

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Speaker 2: the winner, it was terrific.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I root for the pg of America. There's

756
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Speaker 1: some of the governing bodies, some of the some of

757
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 1: the institutions I root against just instinctively, But the pH

758
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: of America, like they try hard. You know, it's it's

759
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: it's not they have two of the five biggest events

760
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: professional golf, including the Ryder Cup, but it's not what

761
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: they do, you know, fifty one or fifty fifty weeks

762
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: a year, and so there's always a little free wheeling

763
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,919
Speaker 1: element to these things, and it's things are a little

764
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Speaker 1: loose to goosey, but it makes it more fun and

765
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Speaker 1: I think it sets the tone for the whole week.

766
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Speaker 1: So I agree it was fantastic. But before we go,

767
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: just a couple of quick shoutouts on the leader board.

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Speaker 1: We should recognize Bryson Deshambo back from the dead. I

769
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: mean he he had four solid rounds, finished tied for fourth,

770
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Speaker 1: and we had some fun interactions. I know you you did.

771
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Speaker 1: You were impressed by Bryson's normalcy and humanity.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what they did with him, I know,

773
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Speaker 2: I even saying about that of you. Of late, Allan's

774
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 2: had a thing here lately for the listener. Oh, Michael,

775
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 2: you take the bed with you know the facility on

776
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Speaker 2: suite Michael, you choose the restaurant, like I talk to

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Speaker 2: myfe Christine. I don't know what they've done with Alan shitnuck.

778
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Speaker 1: Anyway, I'm trying to be accommodating.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what they did with this Bryce and

780
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Speaker 2: d Chambeau. But he went from nutjob. And I'm not

781
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 2: saying that in a literal way, So please don't assume

782
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Speaker 2: me if you've got Patrick Reid's lure from nutjob to

783
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 2: like totally saying human being. Like everything you said this

784
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 2: week you could understand. There was no hieroglyphics or foreign

785
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 2: language or you know, Archimedes principles. It was just golf

786
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 2: and it was kind of neat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And Scottie Seffler, I mean it seems like

788
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: he played terrible yesterday and you wound up finishing the

789
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: tide for second. Like I think this is thirteen straight

790
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Speaker 1: top tens for Skyty Scheffler, the second longest streak the

791
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: sight of Tiger Woods, and you know in the last

792
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Speaker 1: whatever quarter century.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you this before we click off here,

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00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 2: what this really is this week is a even like

795
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 2: it feels like a feel good week, and it is

796
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: and it was. But in terms of the geopolitics of golf,

797
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 2: which I think people are bored of talking about, but

798
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 2: it is a real thing. It complicates golf. You have

799
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Speaker 2: to live golfer win a major, you can put to

800
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 2: rest the argument, oh they can't. You know, there are

801
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 2: fifty four hole golfers now, they're not going to win

802
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 2: seventy two. It complicates Ryder Cup golf. It complicates the

803
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 2: Deaton or not the daytape, the war really between the

804
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 2: PGA Tour nobody wants war for too long you get

805
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,479
Speaker 2: tired of it. He kills people. What do you think

806
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 2: this tournament means in the short long term? In other words,

807
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 2: this year, Ryder Cup, going into next year, lawsuits and

808
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: the rest, this particular their PJA Championship with this Live

809
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 2: Golf winner, what do you think it means for the

810
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 2: future of the of the fight between the PJ Tour

811
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Speaker 2: and Live.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we have a lot have to see how it

813
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: plays out. I feel like the stronger the position that

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00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: Live is in, the more likely the tour is to

815
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: compromise and the tour. The tour is holding a hard line.

816
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: You know, they have to because otherwise they'll lose more players.

817
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: So they they've been hard asses all the way through,

818
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: and I understand why it makes business sense. But you know,

819
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: if Live is struggling, if if they're not, if they're

820
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: their players aren't playing well, if they're if they're not

821
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: getting world ranking points, then then there's the tour can

822
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: just keep going and feel like they can win this

823
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: war of attrition and they can produce. They can pick

824
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: up the best players come out of college and this

825
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: and that. But if Live is coming from a position

826
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Speaker 1: to strength I think it makes a compromise more likely,

827
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Speaker 1: and I think ultimately compromises what's going to what you

828
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 1: want and what a lot of golf fans want where

829
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: we can just kind of move on from this. So

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Speaker 1: I think the more these guys play well the majors,

831
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: the more that they assert themselves, I think that brings

832
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 1: the PJ Tour to the table, not imminently, but just philosophically,

833
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: Like this is you know, j J. Monha must have

834
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: heartburn tonight because I mean he went to Brooks Kepka's

835
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: wedding last June, like they were clothed, and Brooks made

836
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: a business decision and now he's return to the front

837
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 1: rakes of the game. And it doesn't serve the pgs

838
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: or not to have access to Brooks Koepka, you know,

839
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Speaker 1: it really doesn't. It's a huge loss as they're trying

840
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: to attract sponsors and if you're sponsored an event and

841
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: you're like my favorite guys, and I mean to me,

842
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: the players I enjoy watching most in golf are Cam Smith,

843
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: Dustin Johnson, Phil Micholson, Jordan Spieth, Scotti Scheffler. But I

844
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: would say live as three of the five guys I

845
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: think are the most fun to watch, and you know,

846
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: if you're a tournament director, you want those guys in field,

847
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: and now you have Brooks. It's just like, I think

848
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: that this is a setback for the tour, but that

849
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: makes it more helpful for the big picture. That's my feeling.

850
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: But you know there's ebbs and flows, but certainly you

851
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: know the live guys brought the heat at Augusta. You

852
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,439
Speaker 1: know you have Brooks finishes fourth here, Bryson's fourth, Cam

853
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: Smith is ninth, Mido Pereira is eighteen. Patrick reiders on

854
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: the board for a long time. He just fell off.

855
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: But it's not like only one guy that's carrying the flag.

856
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: I mean they've there. Brooks has been the keynote player,

857
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Speaker 1: but there's other guys who are who are making making

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Speaker 1: a run. So this this definitely, as you say, complicates things,

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Speaker 1: but it might also clarify. Like, Okay, if you're Jay

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Speaker 1: Wantaghan and you're and you're Rory and you're Tiger, you

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Speaker 1: know the guys were setting policy. Like it's like what

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Speaker 1: are we doing here? Like we've we we we've reshaped

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Speaker 1: the tour, We've made it more attractive where all the

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Speaker 1: top guys are getting paid, but we're missing out on

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Speaker 1: so many players that folks care about, and so I

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Speaker 1: think this could hasten some sort of some sort of

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Speaker 1: larger conversation. But we're still a long way from an

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Speaker 1: actual compromise. But it's got to start with the desire

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Speaker 1: to make it so, and I think this helps achieve

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Speaker 1: that well. I think not only has this been an

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Speaker 1: excellent podcast, but I'm going to miss the last bus

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Speaker 1: out of here, so I got to go. People are

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Speaker 1: backing up. I'm getting the stink guy from the security guys.

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Speaker 1: But Michael, this is so fun. I missed podcasting with you,

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Speaker 1: and I enjoyed our week together. I can't wait to

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Speaker 1: read your story on mister Block. I'm writing about Brooks

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Speaker 1: and Hoveland and what it all means. So that'll be

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Speaker 1: all over Firepit Collective dot com. Hope you guys check

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Speaker 1: those stories out. Thanks for listening. We appreciate your fidelity.

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Speaker 1: Michaelot will be at the US Open and points in between.

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Speaker 1: So for Michael Bamberger, this is Alan ship Nike. This

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Speaker 1: was a fire drill podcast and I appreciate you listening.

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Speaker 1: That's the end.

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Speaker 3: I'm that big and I played the wind made a

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Speaker 3: fortune when my ship came. Now, I ran the table,

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Speaker 3: never thought I could fall down.

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Speaker 2: The winter time hit me like a cannon. The ball.

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Speaker 3: And now I can't shake this losing streak. Every road

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Speaker 3: I take is a dead end street. I got thoughts

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Speaker 3: in my head, can't get them out, trying not to

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Speaker 3: think what I'm thinking about. I've got thoughts in my head.

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Speaker 3: I can't get them out, trying not to think what

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