Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to seventy two,
Speaker 1: Episode five of Dirt Daylies Guy Day production of My
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Speaker 1: Got all that right, which of course means, oh whoa today? Man,
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Speaker 1: Whoa green candy? Eminem? Green candy is so cute? Eminem
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Speaker 1: derb Eminem. Real sweets have curves? Eminem? Whoa green candy?
Speaker 1: Eminem shout out to Salvador Jolly on the discord, you know,
Speaker 1: a little bit of ram jam. They're uh, you know,
Speaker 1: going off of the outrage over the curves of the
Speaker 1: anthropomorphized candies. Real candy has curbs. The truth because it's
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Speaker 1: write angles. We know that that's right, well, Miles. We
Speaker 1: are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by
Speaker 1: a writer and director behind absolute classics like Eagle Heart
Speaker 1: with Chris Elliott, the Academy Award nominator bore At Subsequent
Speaker 1: movie Film, and the new comedy classic Mind Bending docu
Speaker 1: series Politique Goldman. It is Jason Will and thanks guys,
Speaker 1: thanks for having me. It's like coming on. We are
Speaker 1: very excited. We're very excited to have you on. We've
Speaker 1: just been talking about the show NonStop, and like I
Speaker 1: was saying before, it's not often we get to talk
Speaker 1: to somebody who's made a show that we're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, we just like we just talked
Speaker 1: about it from our our altitude. Thank you for that's cool. No,
Speaker 1: mostly it was just making it. So I'm just it's
Speaker 1: not often I get to talk about it. It's like
Speaker 1: to be at that point and not not have to
Speaker 1: work on it anymore. It seemed like a lot of work.
Speaker 1: That would be my first note. Yeah, it's a show
Speaker 1: that's designed to prove when you watch it that it
Speaker 1: was a lot of work. You showed your work made. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we we have a segment streaming corner that listeners are
Speaker 1: aware of, but the way those usually come together is
Speaker 1: on a Hosnier texts us at like you know, midnight.
Speaker 1: Sometimes she's just finished watching something and she's like, you
Speaker 1: guys have to watch this immediately streaming corner stat and
Speaker 1: you know with the in the case of the vowel
Speaker 1: Season two of The Vale, for instance, I've I've been
Speaker 1: a little bit slow, a little bit negligent on my
Speaker 1: response to that prompt. But this one we immediately got into.
Speaker 1: We're talking about the next day, and that was before
Speaker 1: we knew you were coming on. So this is, uh,
Speaker 1: this is a thrill. We're gonna do a on a
Speaker 1: streaming corner in act three and talk Paul T coltman
Speaker 1: with you here, all right, Jason, We're gonna get to
Speaker 1: know you a little bit better in a moment. First,
Speaker 1: a couple of things we're talking about. We're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about the Woke Wars continue with a w beer and
Speaker 1: and Xbox, one of them intentionally stepping and waiting into
Speaker 1: the conversation. One of them, I don't know. I can't
Speaker 1: imagine that. Xbox was like, oh, this is gonna this
Speaker 1: is gonna piss off felt. It feels like engineers are like, hey,
Speaker 1: this is a an increased efficiency we've found. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about Alex Jones's long standing up session with
Speaker 1: Stanley Kubrick, where it comes from some weird things like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of conspiracy thinking around Stanley Kubrick movies
Speaker 1: that are just They're like there's like a hidden message
Speaker 1: in there. I was like, No, that's just that's art.
Speaker 1: That's how art works. There are ideas in the art.
Speaker 1: Were picking up. What's he saying with that? Yeah, so
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that, and of course we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: pol T Goldman. But before we get to any of it, Jason,
Speaker 1: we like to ask our guest, what is something from
Speaker 1: your search history that is revealing about who you are?
Speaker 1: I was just looking at my history from yesterday. We
Speaker 1: had caper vinigrette which I was trying to figure out
Speaker 1: how to make for dinner, and uh and also racist
Speaker 1: Dutch theme park doing uh my Friends podcast. And there's
Speaker 1: a theme park in the Netherlands called Efteling that recently,
Speaker 1: after a long battle, changed some very racist rides that
Speaker 1: they had, So I needed to bone up on that
Speaker 1: theme park. International theme park controversy. Wow, there's there's a
Speaker 1: couple of theme parks dealing with some racist controversy that
Speaker 1: they're having to undo. Are the are the Dutch like
Speaker 1: crying over the fact that they had to change their
Speaker 1: theme park like they do it? They were really holding
Speaker 1: onto it and this stuff was way more outwardly racist
Speaker 1: than anything that that was. No, So monster Cannabo Okay,
Speaker 1: yeah you found it. This is fucking violence and it
Speaker 1: only changed like very recently. Yeah, and uh, I mean
Speaker 1: it's a whole it's a whole different culture they have
Speaker 1: over there, I suppose, but they also have like a
Speaker 1: very racist rip off of It's a Small World with
Speaker 1: scenes of like Africa and Asia. I mean, just like
Speaker 1: crazy stuff that this still existed. But and then they
Speaker 1: changed that, but they kept Msieur Canniball. They were holding
Speaker 1: onto that one. They finally changed that one, but I
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure I have my facts, right, So yeah,
Speaker 1: that's yesterday, Yeah Monsieur Canniball. For people who don't even
Speaker 1: if you're not googling. Basically, it's like a tea cup
Speaker 1: ride where all these like pots over fire are rotating
Speaker 1: around a central like racist figure of what I'm believing
Speaker 1: is to be some kind of African person who is
Speaker 1: going to eat the people. It's the most shockingly offensive thing, uh,
Speaker 1: that you've ever seen ever. I'm surprised that the photo
Speaker 1: of it is in color, Like that's how racist it is.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is before color cameras, right, yeah, and
Speaker 1: that and their excuse was like, well, you gotta understand
Speaker 1: this ride was made like thirty years ago. It's like
Speaker 1: thirty years ago. This was not we made this back
Speaker 1: in the late eighties. You have to understand this came
Speaker 1: out right after soul Man was released in theater, so
Speaker 1: this just can't be too offensive. Yeah, right, what the fun?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? I wondered was the ice cream cone
Speaker 1: always there? Because he is eating an ice cream cone?
Speaker 1: Which are you saying that makes it okay? I'm wondering
Speaker 1: if they tried to make it okay by being like,
Speaker 1: he's not just eating people. He also like, that's not
Speaker 1: like African, Like ice cream not necessarily doesn't mean he's
Speaker 1: an African because he likes that, But it feels like
Speaker 1: police reform where it's like, let's change this one thing.
Speaker 1: And it was like, that's not the fucking problem. Like
Speaker 1: I don't know that he wasn't eating ice cream. What
Speaker 1: is something you think is overrated? I think remote work
Speaker 1: is overrated. I think we gotta get back together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's going on right now? This zoom? Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: love to do it. We should be in the same room.
Speaker 1: How is it how is remote work in the age
Speaker 1: of like I can totally see that for when you're
Speaker 1: trying to make creative projects, and you know, I know
Speaker 1: some people that have adapted to like digitally collaborating creatively
Speaker 1: while there's like, man, you miss so much energy in
Speaker 1: the room. Yeah, well that's what like editing this show
Speaker 1: over the past six months, Like, you know, there's a
Speaker 1: little bit remote like graphics work, but by and large,
Speaker 1: we like we shared an office in Hollywood, and so
Speaker 1: much of that was just like being in the stage,
Speaker 1: sitting in a room looking at cards on the wall,
Speaker 1: and like there is an energy where you just don't
Speaker 1: have it when you're on zoom. In terms of creative stuff,
Speaker 1: I think is like hopefully, yeah, it's just not gonna
Speaker 1: fully go away because of COVID, because it really does
Speaker 1: make a difference. I think it's not a fun not
Speaker 1: a fun answer, not a fun an there. But I
Speaker 1: don't want to shoot on any movies or TV I've seen.
Speaker 1: Come on, let's let's let's take some right now. Put
Speaker 1: it all on the line. Everything is overrated. Everything you
Speaker 1: like is overrated. I was just making sure this that
Speaker 1: was except tar Tar is good. I was making sure
Speaker 1: This wasn't like a Bob Biker take where he's like, alright,
Speaker 1: fucker's enough fucking around, get your asses in the office,
Speaker 1: because sucking rents too high. But it's the missing X
Speaker 1: factor for you of like collaborating in person. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just think human interaction in terms of like when you're
Speaker 1: doing something creative, it is still the best when you
Speaker 1: can actually get together with people. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm mixed.
Speaker 1: I I was actually in the office yesterday for like
Speaker 1: a meeting. It's just there's so much ship to do,
Speaker 1: like I don't know, so much less time was like
Speaker 1: moving that driving and ship driving. Yeah, driving is overrated.
Speaker 1: I think offices are are also overrated though, U so.
Speaker 1: But like when I would like do shows that I
Speaker 1: would write on. I mean this show that I'm I'm
Speaker 1: talking about that I just put out, there was no
Speaker 1: writing on it. This this guy wrote everything. But other
Speaker 1: things I've done adults swim stuff or whatever, Like we
Speaker 1: would just rent a house for a few months and
Speaker 1: just sit in the living room and right just because Yeah,
Speaker 1: office environments are not not great either, Like the office
Speaker 1: you made the office like a residential space basically, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we would just get a house over you know, Verbo
Speaker 1: or whatever, and and just like sit in the living
Speaker 1: room and right, which is the nice way to work
Speaker 1: the hey day. I don't think Iger is gonna like
Speaker 1: that one gonna be a budget for they in there?
Speaker 1: Is that why they're just doing wall to wall writing? No, man,
Speaker 1: they just they just preferred to meet in there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a whole But what's the studio that has just
Speaker 1: houses on the lot like oh, like Warner Brothers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Warner has like the lot with just it looks like
Speaker 1: a suburban street and like it's close to like the
Speaker 1: real like you know how like you know, like I
Speaker 1: know a Ron's production company has an office there and
Speaker 1: like just yeah, what what read is exteriors eat inside?
Speaker 1: The secrets are all there, that's right. What is something
Speaker 1: you think is underrated? McDonald's. I think McDonald's is really great.
Speaker 1: And I thought if there was like only one McDonald's,
Speaker 1: I would like travel far to eat that food. I
Speaker 1: think we take it for granted because it's everywhere. Because
Speaker 1: it's everywhere, And there's one of the Sunset that just closed,
Speaker 1: and then I saw another one at the Galleria and
Speaker 1: Glendia other close. I get so disturbed. When of McDonald's closes,
Speaker 1: it feels like like the there's something I get shaken
Speaker 1: by it where it feels like those should be just
Speaker 1: like a constant, like there should only be as many
Speaker 1: as there are or more. When they start going away,
Speaker 1: I get really worried about everything. Yeah, that does feel
Speaker 1: like it can't be like I had. There's a McDonald's
Speaker 1: by my my mom's house where I grew up that
Speaker 1: closed down recently, and I was like, oh fuck, like
Speaker 1: we it's this is like, this is my indicator for
Speaker 1: where the economy or where like society as headed. And
Speaker 1: like even this McDonald's. Come to find out, they just
Speaker 1: demolished it so they could put up like a futuristic
Speaker 1: like McDonald's. And it came back, and the relief I
Speaker 1: had was so fucked up. I was like, fucking thank god.
Speaker 1: It's just one of those spaceship abomination McDonald's. And that's
Speaker 1: just that it closed down because business was bad. Okay good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: See that's that's a happy ending to that story. Have
Speaker 1: you been to any McDonald's overseas? We were just reading
Speaker 1: about one in Whales that somebody like a food critic
Speaker 1: was making a straight faced argument that it is the
Speaker 1: best restaurant in Wales, Welsh McDonald's because they, you know,
Speaker 1: just a lot of attention. It's not it's not just
Speaker 1: the standard menu. That's Yeah, anytime I travel, I go
Speaker 1: to the local McDonald's because like, yeah, there was one
Speaker 1: and we're in Kyoto and they had weird like shrimp stuff.
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, I always go wherever I wherever I go,
Speaker 1: try to see what the differences are. It's something like
Speaker 1: there's such an American way to kind of make sense
Speaker 1: of like the world too. We're like yeah, when I'm
Speaker 1: abroad though, too, like I gotta check out McDonald's so
Speaker 1: I can understand. I can really understand what's going on.
Speaker 1: You get my bearings. Yeah, oh, so I can tell
Speaker 1: because there's hormone on this Spanish McDonald's hamburger. The Spanish
Speaker 1: like hormone, it seems, rather than just opening our eyes.
Speaker 1: When I was in eighth grade in Kentucky, in the
Speaker 1: public school system in Kentucky, the there were two like
Speaker 1: big so there was a big event at the end
Speaker 1: of the year. There was the Chicago trip that eighth
Speaker 1: graders got to like take a bus up to Chicago
Speaker 1: and the things we did there, like in retrospect, were
Speaker 1: like I think there was one architectural tour, but like
Speaker 1: that one of the big events was the rock and
Speaker 1: roll McDonald's. What was that. It's just a McDonald's with
Speaker 1: like some statues and they play old timey rock music
Speaker 1: and that the statues are of Ronald McDonald. I don't
Speaker 1: want to imply that there's any more thematic coherence than
Speaker 1: maybe like Ronald McDonald has a pompadour on one of
Speaker 1: the statues or something. And that was a Wesley Willis song,
Speaker 1: you know him, singer sadly deceased, but he had a
Speaker 1: song called rock and roll McDonald's. I wonder I always
Speaker 1: just thought it was, oh yeah, rock roll McDon How
Speaker 1: it went, Yeah, exactly like that. But yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: remember that being like a thing that they were they
Speaker 1: were thinking about updating, but it was many years past
Speaker 1: it being a thing that really made sense as existing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh now it's I think we talked. I remember you
Speaker 1: mentioned and we looked in and out it's like this
Speaker 1: like postmodern. It's so modern now it looks like like
Speaker 1: like the headquarters of like a cult. Yes, that's what happened.
Speaker 1: It looks like store. Yeah, that's what. Yeah, so the
Speaker 1: rock and roll McDonald's used to uh look kind of
Speaker 1: like a pizza hut, Like it had that like red
Speaker 1: roof that was like somewhat Yeah, the old the O. G.
Speaker 1: McDonald's style. Yeah. O G. McDonald's I guess. But oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I like around and you know, so somewhere places not
Speaker 1: far from mele and they still have something like the
Speaker 1: really old ones with the arches are like, it's cool
Speaker 1: when you find like a really old looking McDonald's. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're old pioneer chicken like in l A. Those are
Speaker 1: those are like artifact fast food place. I don't know
Speaker 1: if the if that one's still open. Do you have
Speaker 1: a favorite McDonald's you've ever been to, like stands out
Speaker 1: in your mind. No, My favorite thing is just that
Speaker 1: they're they're mostly all the same, uh, and it's just
Speaker 1: the consistency. Someone there's some like Andy Warhol quote. I
Speaker 1: think it was about Coca Cola, but it applies to
Speaker 1: McDonald's that like even the richest person in the world
Speaker 1: can't get a better you know, meal for McDonald's than
Speaker 1: than the poorest person can't, which is something that's like
Speaker 1: that's I think you're saying about coca cola, it's like
Speaker 1: everyone's shrinking the same coke. And as we all know,
Speaker 1: McDonald's has the best coca cola in the game, and
Speaker 1: they do it and sprite. Now, they had these crazy
Speaker 1: water filtration things that because the water you know, anywhere
Speaker 1: you go is different, so they filter the hell out
Speaker 1: of the water. So every like soft drink tastes the
Speaker 1: same McDonald's to McDonald's because they know it's like that
Speaker 1: consistency and reassurance that people are going there for. So like,
Speaker 1: that's why it is so good man. That Okay, that
Speaker 1: makes sense. That's why I like, I'm glad that especially
Speaker 1: like sprite has medicinal qualities. One that yeah, I recently
Speaker 1: put like my my partner onto she was like she
Speaker 1: never would get McDonald's proud. I'm like, you don't know
Speaker 1: about McDonald's sprite, Like you you're really holding yourself back
Speaker 1: because she just doesn't like soda. And when when she
Speaker 1: was sick, I got her some McDonald's sprite and the
Speaker 1: way she was like, She's like it's more bubbly I think,
Speaker 1: and more sugar. I'm like it could be this weird
Speaker 1: fucking placebo effect that culture has created. But there's something different,
Speaker 1: and and I know the Internet agrees with me on this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I always thought it was just that they had wider straws.
Speaker 1: The straws do seem like a little bit wider, that's
Speaker 1: definitely true. Yeah, So it was always like, oh, it
Speaker 1: hits different because it's got wider straws. You take a
Speaker 1: sip in it, just like your whole mouth is full.
Speaker 1: But yeah, definitely it makes sense that it's some proprietary
Speaker 1: recipe of some sorts. All right, well, let's take a
Speaker 1: quick break. We'll come back and talk about more fast
Speaker 1: food restaurants, because this is a very dumb show. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back and we're back and alright and w Q.
Speaker 1: You know, they this is a this is a nice
Speaker 1: work of social media. Kudos to their social media team.
Speaker 1: It's just like a spoof of the McDonald or the
Speaker 1: Eminem's statement that even open it with America, let's talk
Speaker 1: like the Eminem's did and even use the word polarizing.
Speaker 1: It's just like it's so they did the exact same,
Speaker 1: like even color scheme with brown and like it's just
Speaker 1: it's identical to the McDonald the Eminem's one. Damn, we're
Speaker 1: both on that McDonald's eminem's suck up that, you know,
Speaker 1: but just swap out the logos and again they say,
Speaker 1: this is so funny that since nineteen sixty three, Rudy
Speaker 1: the Great root Bear has been our beloved spokes bear.
Speaker 1: We knew people would notice because he's literally a six
Speaker 1: foot tall bear wearing an orange sweater, but now we
Speaker 1: get it. Even a mascot's lack of pants can be polarizing. Therefore,
Speaker 1: we have decided that Rudy well where jeans going forward.
Speaker 1: Not to worry, though, he will remain our official spokes bear.
Speaker 1: After all, he is unbearably cute anyway, fantastic, great, good
Speaker 1: for you, But oh my god, it's no way this
Speaker 1: is I think what I think how Fox took it.
Speaker 1: They're like, what's going on? What is going on? I
Speaker 1: think most people were like, okay, a and w social
Speaker 1: media person like nice one but kind of thirsty for
Speaker 1: being real. And but the people that Fox, they I
Speaker 1: don't know. They are like suffering from such intense brain
Speaker 1: rot that they have fully lost the ability to even
Speaker 1: understand irony. I'm just gonna play their reaction when they're
Speaker 1: like and guess what, folks, it's not even ending with
Speaker 1: M and M S because now and W's on the
Speaker 1: woke wagon polarizing. First of it's ridiculous, now a bear
Speaker 1: has to have with Ryan, I mean having what is
Speaker 1: the problem. It's just the woke police cancel culture has gone.
Speaker 1: It's just ridiculous. You think you think it's a joke.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like it gets in the headlines
Speaker 1: every day. Maybe this is their moment. Yeah, well maybe
Speaker 1: that's why they do it for the intention. You should
Speaker 1: see the devil angel battle in my head to make
Speaker 1: a joke on this, and I'm going to withdraw. I'm
Speaker 1: seeing you think the ballance because I like my job.
Speaker 1: I had a bunch of jokes, none of them appropriate. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't even I don't even know what you could
Speaker 1: have potentially attempted as a joke there. I think he
Speaker 1: was gonna make some baar dick joke smiles, but like,
Speaker 1: what what is it? Is it? That was? That? Was
Speaker 1: there an obvious baar dick joke there? Also, for the
Speaker 1: for people who weren't watching the video, the guy who
Speaker 1: spoke first and was like I just like maybe like
Speaker 1: was maybe like maybe going to call out the fact
Speaker 1: that it was a joke. He was on the verge
Speaker 1: of tears. I know, it wasn't clear if he was
Speaker 1: about to laugh or cry. He was about he was
Speaker 1: about to burst into tears. Yeah, that's like they're just
Speaker 1: like doing a play, like they know somewhere in there
Speaker 1: they know the w's social media person is joking, and
Speaker 1: they're like, I think they're just so far beyond understanding,
Speaker 1: like are we joking? Are we serious about that? We
Speaker 1: don't know for joking anymore. That's the funny part is
Speaker 1: like obviously they know that they're they all sing from
Speaker 1: like the same script. But like I guess also too,
Speaker 1: when your confirmation bias like said to like nine trillion,
Speaker 1: then like you're just like on everything's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: what the funk he's wearing pants without maybe first giving
Speaker 1: yourself a second. But I just I don't know, there's
Speaker 1: something interesting if maybe this could be a shift in
Speaker 1: the culture. Wars just trying to bait them even more.
Speaker 1: I feel like with twenty well spent dollars, you could
Speaker 1: convince the conservas. Yeah, like do you think if you
Speaker 1: ask any of those people like point blank, do you
Speaker 1: think that wearing pants is woke, Like they like like, yes,
Speaker 1: they're trying to make us wear pants. Yeah, Like it's
Speaker 1: so absurd. It's everyone's just kind of goofing around. I
Speaker 1: think I never no one knows what they're saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're doing bits there. Yeah. It really feels like that.
Speaker 1: Even even the Tucker Carlson like Eminem's thing, he seemed
Speaker 1: like deflated when he was doing it, but he played
Speaker 1: a clip of it and he was just like and
Speaker 1: now they've like released more Eminem's and they're like not hot,
Speaker 1: and so we're going to talk about it because that's
Speaker 1: what we do on this show. Never mind. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's I feel like everyone's just kind of like playing
Speaker 1: their role with Yeah you should just fat them with
Speaker 1: stupider and stupider things and just see like alright, I
Speaker 1: guess we've got to get mad about this. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: here this is another segment where Fox they got mad
Speaker 1: or again, because I guess it's just part of like
Speaker 1: the rhetorical menu that they have to offer people, which
Speaker 1: is like we're going to have to put some kind
Speaker 1: of form of cultural outrage on the show. Xbox like
Speaker 1: announced that they had like a new power saving mode,
Speaker 1: so like when the ship was turned off, like you
Speaker 1: would use way less energy just to be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's less of an electrical bill for you too,
Speaker 1: just more efficient. And they somehow turned this into the
Speaker 1: indoctrination of children. But we understand what this is. It's
Speaker 1: not that it's actually going to offset emissions. Okay, the
Speaker 1: level of reduction is infinitesimal, but they're trying to recruit
Speaker 1: your kids into climate politics and an earlier age make
Speaker 1: them climate conscious. Now the children, of course, they make
Speaker 1: them like that's I'm like again, are they that mad
Speaker 1: that it's more efficient, that it would save you money
Speaker 1: on your bills? Because now like we're just becoming anti
Speaker 1: efficiency also because like again I get, I get how
Speaker 1: in their minds they can draw a straight line from
Speaker 1: something being using less energy to be like and that's
Speaker 1: their climate change activism agenda. But like, these people aren't
Speaker 1: losing their fucking minds when like a truck uses less
Speaker 1: like it's more fuel efficient. I get when they're like there, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're they're acting though, they're doing a play to keep
Speaker 1: you watching Fox News, like they don't believe any of this,
Speaker 1: Like Tucker Carlson railing against the vaccine early vaccine. He
Speaker 1: definitely had to be vaccinated to come back to work.
Speaker 1: Like the what these people actually believe if you actually
Speaker 1: sat down with them and what they say on their
Speaker 1: I think there's a big disconnect. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: it's it's obviously wicked, but I think it's all a
Speaker 1: joke like to them, I guess that's probably how they
Speaker 1: sleep at night too, right, how it's how they make
Speaker 1: their money. Yeah, And it's like like, Okay, yeah, here's
Speaker 1: my character. I go on, I act mad about stuff.
Speaker 1: But even him using the term climate conscious like implies
Speaker 1: like you know, this is uh not a bad thing.
Speaker 1: This is like you know, yeah, I don't. I don't know,
Speaker 1: Like it's I think it's it's all just bad faith
Speaker 1: play acting of outrage. It's the thing that I'm like
Speaker 1: really curious about, right because it's all their whole, their
Speaker 1: whole like media infrastructure. They're like the what am I
Speaker 1: looking for? The ecosystem where all this information is coming from?
Speaker 1: Like there's always this like weird irony at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, Like it's always really bad for the
Speaker 1: consumer to agree with what they're seeing on Fox, like
Speaker 1: and then they're like yeah, man, I don't need fucking medicine, man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I'm gonna sleep with a gas heater on in
Speaker 1: my bedroom with the window shut because I'm not woke.
Speaker 1: Like it's just funny how the feedback loop also is
Speaker 1: like in specific ways, like with the vaccine is something
Speaker 1: that is absolutely and athetical to them like living a longer,
Speaker 1: healthy life, and then in the broader scale for every
Speaker 1: human being on earth to probably suffer the consequences because
Speaker 1: we're not tackling these issues correctly. But then they don't
Speaker 1: tell the local like AM talk radio people because they're
Speaker 1: all like actually dying from like COVID and they're like,
Speaker 1: nobody told me wholes are all vaccinated. I'm out here
Speaker 1: dying for this ship. Different levels, I mean, there's levels
Speaker 1: to it, you know, you always yeah, I I have
Speaker 1: to think that, Like when when she was like, oh wow,
Speaker 1: I didn't even think about that they are trying to
Speaker 1: I think she had thought about that because it was
Speaker 1: in the script that they were working off of. Yes,
Speaker 1: I had not even thought about that. You know. Fox
Speaker 1: News is an entertainment channel and that's all it is,
Speaker 1: and it's keeping and and it's job is to keep
Speaker 1: people watching Fox News and they figured out this is
Speaker 1: what does it? That's what that's argument they made to
Speaker 1: keep Tucker Carlson like after he did, I forget what
Speaker 1: specifically damaging conspiracy theory he was spreading at the time,
Speaker 1: but there was actually I forget if it like went
Speaker 1: to court or something. But they had to come out
Speaker 1: and be like, Tucker Carlson is an entertainers, right, That's
Speaker 1: the evil thing is because the people watching don't think
Speaker 1: of it his entertainment. They think they're watching a news
Speaker 1: channel and they're like, oh, man, so if Tucker is
Speaker 1: not getting horny f eminem's, then that means America's losing,
Speaker 1: because that's right. He'll say something like that and get
Speaker 1: mad and he knows. Look, you remember the thing that
Speaker 1: came out of him wasn't he was like thanking Joe
Speaker 1: Biden for helping his kid out or just something where
Speaker 1: you read or like what this has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with this character we're seeing on screen. It was like, oh,
Speaker 1: the world, the real world of these people are so
Speaker 1: different than what we're seeing on screen. But right, the
Speaker 1: people at home, who are you know, for instance, not
Speaker 1: getting the vaccine or getting riled up about woke. Eminem's
Speaker 1: like to them, that's real. To them, this is real life.
Speaker 1: But the people on screen this is this is their
Speaker 1: job is the show. I think again, and I think
Speaker 1: part of the thing that makes this like really part
Speaker 1: of the bread and butter the network is like they
Speaker 1: have to politicize everything, but they can actually talk hard
Speaker 1: politics or policy because then that that begins to be
Speaker 1: like something you have to reckon with like facts and
Speaker 1: like what works and doesn't work. You can't be like, well,
Speaker 1: what would eighteen billion dollars less being spent on defense
Speaker 1: mean for X, Y and Z. It's like, I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: they don't want to spend that. It's because they want
Speaker 1: to make the soldiers wear addresses or something. And it's
Speaker 1: like and it doesn't speak, It has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with facts. It just speaks to your appealing to like
Speaker 1: a victimization feeling among the audience and saying you're right
Speaker 1: there there, you're not crazy. They're coming for you. They
Speaker 1: want to take what you have. They're coming to get you.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing that keeps people watching them, gets
Speaker 1: them advertising dollars. Yeah, I mean just skipping down to
Speaker 1: somebody who is has actually gone on the record in
Speaker 1: court being like, I am a professional wrestling character that
Speaker 1: you know. Alex Jones, our writer jam was pointing out
Speaker 1: he was doing some research watching the thing and noticed
Speaker 1: that like one of the logos was hal nine thousand,
Speaker 1: like in a but it was like kind of sweaty.
Speaker 1: It didn't make sense as a as a reference, and
Speaker 1: so he looked into it. And Alex Jones apparently is
Speaker 1: weirdly obsessed with Stanley Kubrick and making the case that
Speaker 1: Stanley Kubrick is like a right wing profit. A few
Speaker 1: years ago, they published an editorial about how the world
Speaker 1: of a Clockwork Orange bears an uncomfortable resemblance to our own.
Speaker 1: The film is too bold, too brash, too brazen, and
Speaker 1: it's honest yet stylized depiction of the foibles and failures
Speaker 1: of humanity in our society, and too unflinching and its
Speaker 1: artistic honesty and insight for our soft modern world, which
Speaker 1: is funny. First of all, it's funny to like take
Speaker 1: the entire point of a dystopian sci fi movie, which
Speaker 1: is to like show you a world that seems different,
Speaker 1: but then the more you watch, you're like, ah, but
Speaker 1: I see the similarities and you know and just like
Speaker 1: say it in a tone that makes it sound like
Speaker 1: it's a conspiracy that they've done this, like that it's
Speaker 1: a secret message that they're sending you. Reminds me of
Speaker 1: like the Da Vinci Code, where they like took symbolism
Speaker 1: in art and like reduced it to the level of
Speaker 1: like a crossword puzzle where you're like, when you look
Speaker 1: at her hand, she's actually pointing at a word jumble
Speaker 1: that's written over here in invisible link that you have
Speaker 1: to solve to to find out the clue. But also
Speaker 1: it's just ignoring I don't know, fact, like it's too
Speaker 1: woke for our world. And it's a movie that was
Speaker 1: incredibly controversial when it came out in the seventies, like
Speaker 1: it sparked massive protests and like Stanley Kuber banned it
Speaker 1: in the UK like decided not to distribute it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just wild too again, like the weird confirmation bias
Speaker 1: set to nine million or whatever. It's just like like
Speaker 1: every like, yeah, oh, I can see it now. But again,
Speaker 1: it's always having to be you know, bending towards whatever
Speaker 1: you needed to meet to mean, and in this case,
Speaker 1: I just love it's like exactly he foretold all of
Speaker 1: these issues, except I'm not quite sure which side of
Speaker 1: this equation I'm actually on. Yeah, And then he had
Speaker 1: Stanley Kubrick's daughter, Vivian Kubrick on, and apparently she's a
Speaker 1: huge Alex Jones fan now and is yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like violent art, far right memes on Twitter and publicly
Speaker 1: proclaimed her admiration of Alex Jones when she came on,
Speaker 1: said I've been listening to Alex Jones for many years.
Speaker 1: I know how accurate he has been about what's going
Speaker 1: down on this planet. And also so she she's wearing
Speaker 1: a headlight and to go pro camera on her head
Speaker 1: and said that enemies of humanity are running the world,
Speaker 1: the world, and they might be extraterrestrials. And that was
Speaker 1: like in the first five minutes of the show, which
Speaker 1: is just it's such a bummer, truly, is that, like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's it's getting to everyone, you know.
Speaker 1: Alex Jones also thinks Stanley Koprick had psychic powers and
Speaker 1: that's where he got his movie ideas. Again, just like Wild,
Speaker 1: just attempt by someone who's not creative to understand the
Speaker 1: creative process. He must have been had some someone sending
Speaker 1: him psychic messages like how did you come up with
Speaker 1: Dr Strange Love five years before you know, the the
Speaker 1: Cube Missile crisis or a decade before the Cuban Missile crisis.
Speaker 1: It's like that there was It was based on a
Speaker 1: dramatic novel that had already been singled out by the
Speaker 1: Pentagon for its accuracy, like repeatedly, he just kept confusing.
Speaker 1: Really like Stanley Kubrick did really careful and intense and
Speaker 1: broad research for all of his movies, like the He
Speaker 1: the other thing, he's like shut like I've seen massed
Speaker 1: orgies in my time. By that he like dropped that
Speaker 1: as an aside. He was like when I was a teenager,
Speaker 1: I went to some satanic massed orgies and just like
Speaker 1: didn't didn't go further into that. But he took the
Speaker 1: Eyes Wide Shut orgy as like a sign that he
Speaker 1: was telling on actual like orgies that Stanley Kubrick had
Speaker 1: been invited to, when in fact it was like this
Speaker 1: deep historical research into actual you know, rituals from the
Speaker 1: eighteenth and nineteenth century, like how those things actually went down. Also,
Speaker 1: their conspiracy is that Eyes White Shut was about like
Speaker 1: the real illuminati and that like powerful celebrities had Kubrick
Speaker 1: killed because he died right after completing the movie, which
Speaker 1: is just doesn't really hold together as a like why
Speaker 1: would he He had been working on that since like
Speaker 1: the sixties. Yeah, they should have killed him before she
Speaker 1: showed him, before he completed it. I like that. They're
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, just their the assassins are like hold on,
Speaker 1: let him cook. Want to see what he got going.
Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, I'm a big fan. Wait, no, we
Speaker 1: gotta finish it. But then yeah, we gotta punish him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And also again, yeah, the question of where he got
Speaker 1: the idea for eyes why shut could have been solved
Speaker 1: with Google. Like that's the thing. So many of these
Speaker 1: kind of long running conspiracy theories, and this kind of
Speaker 1: this comes up in Polti Goldman as well, like the
Speaker 1: so many of these things can be solved with Google,
Speaker 1: like just a little bit of Google, not even you know,
Speaker 1: prolonged and detailed research, but just a little bit to
Speaker 1: be like, oh, there are these four other explanations. That
Speaker 1: also makes sense. Yeah, I mean to what you guys
Speaker 1: are talking about in terms of confirmation bias, It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's kind of the backwards. You decide what the truth is,
Speaker 1: and then you make every bit of information you find
Speaker 1: line up with it and kind of willfully ignore anything
Speaker 1: that contradicts. Thator adds complexity to it. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean you see that happening everywhere. Yeah, yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we will come back
Speaker 1: and do on a streaming corner and talk about all
Speaker 1: that stuff as it relates to Paul T. Goldman. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back. And we're back and we are joined
Speaker 1: by superproducer on a hose Ny for a little thing.
Speaker 1: We call on a streaming corner, streaming corner to talk
Speaker 1: about Paul Goldman. Wow, this is mom entis the first
Speaker 1: and a streaming corner where we've had a person from
Speaker 1: the corner of streams on the show. Okay, that's wild.
Speaker 1: I'm so psyched to be in the corners here. Oh hey,
Speaker 1: how's it going? No, this is thrilling because yeah, I
Speaker 1: heard you say. I did probably texted. All My streaming
Speaker 1: takes place between midnight to four in the morning because
Speaker 1: they're working me to death here please help, And so
Speaker 1: I like immediately start screaming through text at these guys
Speaker 1: to start watching anything and everything I'm watching, so PAULTI
Speaker 1: goodman those first I think you could you guys dropped
Speaker 1: four episodes or was it three? Three? On New Year's Day?
Speaker 1: Great time to release the show. Everyone's definitely looking for,
Speaker 1: like a really hard to describe that you need to
Speaker 1: use your brain to watch when you're hungover a New
Speaker 1: Year's Day. So it's made a huge splash, has expected.
Speaker 1: I mean it got me after three episodes. I was like,
Speaker 1: they released the whole sa. I think I think this
Speaker 1: first time Paul breaks can't break, like breaks the fourth
Speaker 1: wall and like you and then like you kind of
Speaker 1: zoom out to see like the production. I think I paused,
Speaker 1: and I think I texted and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this this ship is good for people who don't know
Speaker 1: because you probably just keep hearing the name Jason. How
Speaker 1: would you describe it like to something Like you said,
Speaker 1: it's a difficult just to describe show, but I'd imagine
Speaker 1: the person who directed it would probably have a decent
Speaker 1: way to describe it to people. You would imagine that
Speaker 1: you would be surprisingly wrong. It's probably why it took
Speaker 1: me like ten years to make it, because this is
Speaker 1: a very hard show to describe. It. Basically, it's a
Speaker 1: it's a documentary series about a real person who calls
Speaker 1: himself Paul T. Goldman, and it's his story about how
Speaker 1: he married a lady who turned out to have a
Speaker 1: secret double life and how he basically vowed to take
Speaker 1: down her international crime ring which may or may not exist,
Speaker 1: and it's about kind of me trying to figure out
Speaker 1: what the hell is going on. Yeah, he's he's a
Speaker 1: he's a fascinating character. Like I wanted to just ask, like, how,
Speaker 1: like what about him did you see see as worthy
Speaker 1: of of this documentary because he ends up being someone
Speaker 1: that like I loved and like felt like felt for,
Speaker 1: you know, and like he has this weird penchant to
Speaker 1: like gravitate towards being scammed in any given situation. I mean,
Speaker 1: minimum five scams happened to this series, Yes, including this
Speaker 1: series itself. Yeah, that I didn't class I told my
Speaker 1: friends was like he was scammed by scamed by multiple people,
Speaker 1: including Jason. No. I mean that's why I referenced that
Speaker 1: in the show. I mean that was part of his
Speaker 1: wondering how much I'm just another person kind of taking
Speaker 1: him image of his very trusting nature. But yeah, he
Speaker 1: tweeted at me in two thousand and twelve, and he said,
Speaker 1: I have an incredible story to tell, and I wrote
Speaker 1: a book and a screenplay about it. And I looked
Speaker 1: at his website, I looked at his you know, and
Speaker 1: I read his book, and I just fell in love
Speaker 1: with kind of his voice and and just thought it
Speaker 1: was so fascinating. It's a story with like a lot
Speaker 1: of dark stuff in it, but also he's very you know,
Speaker 1: light and goofy and likable. And I thought that was
Speaker 1: such an interesting contrast. And and uh, I mean, I
Speaker 1: didn't know I was going to spend ten years on it,
Speaker 1: but I do think there's something there that was kind
Speaker 1: of worth exploring. Yeah, and you capture this depiction of
Speaker 1: a type or like a real person that I don't
Speaker 1: think exists in a lot of places, like in media.
Speaker 1: In like it just feels very authentic and like you're
Speaker 1: seeing a work of art about you know, like those
Speaker 1: paintings that you see in museums that are like of
Speaker 1: everyday people as opposed to the ones that are like
Speaker 1: about of the royalty. Like it feels like you're getting
Speaker 1: this really in depth depiction of like who he is,
Speaker 1: but also like what his imagination is, what his version
Speaker 1: of the world is. And it's also a very specific
Speaker 1: portrait of like the years. I think it's so like
Speaker 1: two up to the present, like really the present tense.
Speaker 1: Like you you have footage from the premiere of the
Speaker 1: show in the in the final episode. I feel like
Speaker 1: it also like captures a lot of what was going
Speaker 1: on like during that era, some of the stuff we've
Speaker 1: already talked about on the show, like that confirmation bias,
Speaker 1: Internet rabbit hole, and like even the specificity of like
Speaker 1: his cause becoming sex trafficking in the same way that
Speaker 1: like a lot of the like Mega people like turned
Speaker 1: to human trafficking as as their cause. But yeah, how
Speaker 1: did that all come together? I mean it was really
Speaker 1: just me interviewing him and filming him and observing what
Speaker 1: was real. I was really just kind of luck that
Speaker 1: this stuff, as we were making it started coinciding so
Speaker 1: much with what was going on. But you know, I
Speaker 1: was there's a clip in there when he's talking about
Speaker 1: taking down this sex trafficking ring that he thinks he's
Speaker 1: going to take down that he says like it's the
Speaker 1: calm before the storm, And that was in that was
Speaker 1: before Trump that was way more. It was like, so
Speaker 1: all these things that I was interested in, and I've
Speaker 1: always been interested in conspiracy minded people, but it really
Speaker 1: did become so relevant in the years that we were
Speaker 1: making it, and I thought it was just fortunate that,
Speaker 1: you know, in Paul's story, ultimately no one has hurt,
Speaker 1: no lives were really ruined. There's not like there there's
Speaker 1: some dark behavior on on on the part of different people,
Speaker 1: including Paul, but but it's not like such a bummer
Speaker 1: that you couldn't also include the funnier parts of it.
Speaker 1: So I thought it was a good a good opportunity
Speaker 1: to balance things that I thought were funny and also
Speaker 1: kind of shocking or sad or you know, just fascinating.
Speaker 1: But to do this story about this kind of yeah,
Speaker 1: that includes this conspiracy world and this stuff is very
Speaker 1: that became very common, but in a way that like
Speaker 1: no one was really hurt. I think it was good.
Speaker 1: He's kind of you know, I think, you know, in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, he's much more harmless than than
Speaker 1: a lot of the people in this world. For sure. No,
Speaker 1: I mean, like his his biggest flaw is that he's
Speaker 1: like a born mark, you know, like he's so trusting
Speaker 1: and it's so like constantly pivots to the positive. This
Speaker 1: is really interesting. When I was like, man, this I've
Speaker 1: never I It's like like Jack saying, like, it's not
Speaker 1: often I've seen someone like this, and I'm like, Wow,
Speaker 1: this guy seems very authentically like living just his life
Speaker 1: in this very unique way. But it's causing a lot
Speaker 1: of issues because he's trusting and he has a little
Speaker 1: bit of he's like semi informed on things. But then
Speaker 1: there's like psychics that are taking advantage of that, and
Speaker 1: it just all comes together and you're like, oh, Ship
Speaker 1: was the psychic is wild character? Yeah, yeah, she's a
Speaker 1: human too, and I you know, I liked her a lot.
Speaker 1: We visited her. That footage was shot in twenty seventeen
Speaker 1: where we went to her ranch and you know, in
Speaker 1: the editing of it, we listened to hours and hours
Speaker 1: of tapes that Paul had made of their readings, and
Speaker 1: that was when this picture emerged that I felt like
Speaker 1: we had to include in the show of like her
Speaker 1: kind of role in all of this and just like
Speaker 1: spinning him out on stuff that you know, buying large.
Speaker 1: I don't think was was accurate that she was saying, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: she was. She's a very interesting person because I feel
Speaker 1: like how she was scamming him was very interesting in
Speaker 1: the sense that she actually seemed to care about him.
Speaker 1: I think she does care about it. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that's yeah, like she was, you know, obviously she wasn't
Speaker 1: happy with how she's portrayed in the last episode. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's all just clips of her though it's not me
Speaker 1: saying anything. It's just me putting clips together that I
Speaker 1: think paint a picture of my opinion of of her behavior.
Speaker 1: But she does care about Paul, and she was, you know,
Speaker 1: her defense his wife helped a lot of people those lives.
Speaker 1: I think she did. Like like in the show, when
Speaker 1: she's introduced in the third episode, Paul talks about he
Speaker 1: contacted her at first she's a pet psychic who also
Speaker 1: does human psychic work. But and he contacted her when
Speaker 1: he lost the dog and she she didn't help him
Speaker 1: find the dog, but she's like, the dog is fine,
Speaker 1: gotten to like a young woman's car, and she's taking
Speaker 1: care of him, and so yeah, you can look at
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, she provided comfort for him, and and
Speaker 1: I think that's a lot of what she does. You know.
Speaker 1: So my question was, at what point do these predictions
Speaker 1: that become harmful or become like actually reckless and dangerous,
Speaker 1: right right? That. I mean, it's so interesting because it
Speaker 1: is all these real people, and I'm like fascinated because
Speaker 1: I do at the end, like I'm fully on Paul's side,
Speaker 1: like I want Paul to succeed. I want Paul to
Speaker 1: be right, like I wanted all to be real at all,
Speaker 1: to like make sense, because I just want him to
Speaker 1: have some vindication because of everything that he goes through
Speaker 1: in his life. Yeah, that's good. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a very complex thing. And everyone's watching that last
Speaker 1: last episode and responding in different ways. And some people
Speaker 1: who have decided at one point in the show that
Speaker 1: they just hate him or can't you know, can't be
Speaker 1: on his side camp empathize with that anymore for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: stay there. And then some people see all this is
Speaker 1: a person and he has made mistakes, and I mean
Speaker 1: it's nice that he's grown. You see him absorbing new
Speaker 1: information by the end, But like, I like that people
Speaker 1: are having all different responses. That was my favorite my
Speaker 1: favorites with like the pr person is like you kind
Speaker 1: of seem to have like an anti sex worker agenda,
Speaker 1: just like how you're talking. And then and then that
Speaker 1: one question that the Q and A when the person
Speaker 1: the audience asks about like mail order brides that and
Speaker 1: he it like stumped him. But you could see the
Speaker 1: gears working in this way. It's like, Oh, he's actually
Speaker 1: he's wrestling with this question in his mind, which is
Speaker 1: so funny. There's like all these very interesting moments where
Speaker 1: in a in a world where you're so seeing like
Speaker 1: narcissistic people who will never appear wrong on camera do
Speaker 1: whatever they can to like whatever it takes to not
Speaker 1: appear wrong. It was just really interesting to see somebody
Speaker 1: who was so open to hearing something new and really
Speaker 1: sitting with that and also like processing it within his
Speaker 1: own life. And I think the repetition of those moments,
Speaker 1: I think it was really disarming, at least for me
Speaker 1: to watch and like kind of opened up myself to
Speaker 1: me like, wow, this is a really this is a
Speaker 1: good example of how we should operate, albeit at a
Speaker 1: very like hyperbolic extreme example of someone's like life. But
Speaker 1: there was like I was learning on some level, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's cool, that's great. I mean, it's right, it's it's
Speaker 1: not easy to absorb information that changes what what you
Speaker 1: thought is reality for years and years, and like to
Speaker 1: watch him do that being that room was it was
Speaker 1: very moving. I thought, Yeah, I mean that's the key
Speaker 1: difference between you know. But by the way, the fact
Speaker 1: that he said this is the calm before the storm,
Speaker 1: Paul probably is que. I think probably it's he has
Speaker 1: very outdated like he has. He has outdated a lot
Speaker 1: of views about relationships, about women, a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: that's you know, very much not in tune with with
Speaker 1: our daily with our our modern day world. And as
Speaker 1: far as I know, he has not gone down that
Speaker 1: rabbit hole. He was not a Trump supporter, like I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's like he's a complex guy, and I think the
Speaker 1: difference between him and Trump support is that like he
Speaker 1: took in the new information and changed changed with like
Speaker 1: on the spot was like, oh so I should probably
Speaker 1: apologize with with some prompting from you. But that that
Speaker 1: was wild to see how quickly he he changed, and
Speaker 1: then watching the episode with like that must have been
Speaker 1: nerve wracking. But he watched the first episode with him
Speaker 1: and then like have a conversation. We watched the first
Speaker 1: three actually the first half half the series with him,
Speaker 1: and then I showed him some clips from the finale
Speaker 1: because I wanted him to really have a sense of
Speaker 1: the show was going to be and to see how
Speaker 1: he reacted to that. And I thought, I thought that
Speaker 1: response was was pretty powerful as well. And I never
Speaker 1: really expected I didn't know how he'd respond. I didn't
Speaker 1: know if he'd like punch me in the face or
Speaker 1: or what. So it was really I mean, I got
Speaker 1: weirdly emotional. I didn't expect that either, and that's the
Speaker 1: last thing I would ever want is for myself to
Speaker 1: be emotional on camera. But it happened. So it's like
Speaker 1: we're trying to do something honest, so you know it's
Speaker 1: gonna go in there. I mean, I fully like when
Speaker 1: I was watching that scene, I left my body because
Speaker 1: I was like, what is about to happen? But I
Speaker 1: will say like his love for you is very apparent,
Speaker 1: Like when he wanted you to play you like it
Speaker 1: was just pushing and pushing. I was like, he just
Speaker 1: wants to play with Jason, like that's all he wants,
Speaker 1: Like he wants to do it with you, and you
Speaker 1: were like I can't, I can't. I can't. But I
Speaker 1: was like, it's so clear that, like, while you know,
Speaker 1: you are showing every aspect of everything going on, like
Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily always put Paul in the best I like,
Speaker 1: I had a feeling like he's not gonna hate you
Speaker 1: over this, because he actually really enjoys you, Like you
Speaker 1: guys have this this bond that's been created is very apparent,
Speaker 1: like he wants to work with you. And I thought
Speaker 1: that was Like at the end when you guys were talking,
Speaker 1: I was like, God, it's so it's nice for this
Speaker 1: not to end on like a really you know, fucked
Speaker 1: up note. It ended very like pure and I really
Speaker 1: enjoyed that, and I thought it was like a great
Speaker 1: little like bo thanks. Yeah, I was hoping. I mean
Speaker 1: I really was just following what was happening in reality,
Speaker 1: and I didn't know exactly, you know, I knew what
Speaker 1: we wanted to put in the last episode in terms
Speaker 1: of his spinoffs, in terms of like confronting him with
Speaker 1: the truth that we were able to find, but that
Speaker 1: that last ten minutes, I didn't know how that was
Speaker 1: going to go. I didn't know how he'd react to
Speaker 1: see the show. I didn't know, Yeah, any of that stuff,
Speaker 1: so uh, it was it was nice. And also that
Speaker 1: kind of speech where he gives at the end that
Speaker 1: was that was swords of the very end too, and
Speaker 1: that that kind of re contextualizing about how this look
Speaker 1: he failed in real life, but this want of being
Speaker 1: this thing and making this show and giving his life meaning.
Speaker 1: You know, whether you can read that any way you want.
Speaker 1: You can read that with some distance and say, oh,
Speaker 1: he's just kind of trying to reshape the story so
Speaker 1: that he can, you know, function again, or you can say, oh,
Speaker 1: this this actually did give his life meaning in a
Speaker 1: way that he wasn't able to get from this pursuit
Speaker 1: of justice that he was after or whatever. But no,
Speaker 1: it all kind of came together at the very end.
Speaker 1: I mean, both in this show and in Borat, like
Speaker 1: there is a ability to respond quickly to like things
Speaker 1: that are completely unforeseen or unforeseeable and like just a
Speaker 1: faith that it's going to be like make good content,
Speaker 1: Like how how do you think about the things like that?
Speaker 1: Like that having this whole show that hinges on this
Speaker 1: conversation that was you know, had to have been filmed,
Speaker 1: like by its very nature had to have been filmed
Speaker 1: long after or most of the show was created, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: are you like, do you just have this sort of
Speaker 1: faith that whatever it is, it's going to be like honest,
Speaker 1: or how do you think about that as as an artist?
Speaker 1: Are you referenced and you're referencing the pandemic breaking out
Speaker 1: during them and then the pandemic breaking out? Yeah? No,
Speaker 1: I mean that I probably did pick up a lot
Speaker 1: of that from working with Sasha, Like it's just this,
Speaker 1: it's just this attitude you have to be open to
Speaker 1: pivot when new information presents itself. And like that movie
Speaker 1: we were, you know, they had a great outline for
Speaker 1: that movie. We were constantly rewriting, had to kind of
Speaker 1: changing everything constantly, constantly, constantly, And it's just I think
Speaker 1: it's this element of risk that can make a thing
Speaker 1: feel accurately alive and like maybe things could have gone
Speaker 1: wrong maybe. Yeah. Boro, we were like shooting with those
Speaker 1: guys that you live with, Jim and Jerry, and we
Speaker 1: knew we wanted to go to this gun rally the
Speaker 1: next day. I mean, all that stuff you only had
Speaker 1: one shot at. It could have been a disaster, it
Speaker 1: could have fallen apart. And then the two days later
Speaker 1: we were shooting with Rudy Giuliani, and if we if
Speaker 1: nothing interesting happened, there would have been like, well, we
Speaker 1: don't have an ending of the whole movie now. But
Speaker 1: I've been very lucky on these kind of high wire
Speaker 1: acts the last couple of years that it's worked out.
Speaker 1: But I don't you know, it doesn't always work out.
Speaker 1: But but if you get a good group of people
Speaker 1: working with you, and I had a really great team
Speaker 1: on this who you know, producers who were I never
Speaker 1: knew how much money we were spending, and I would
Speaker 1: just be like, Okay, we gotta go do that, we
Speaker 1: gotta go back to Florida, Okay, let's go find this guy,
Speaker 1: and would just figure out how to make this stuff happen.
Speaker 1: And then editors on this were incredible of like, okay,
Speaker 1: we have hundreds of hours of footage, how do we
Speaker 1: look at this and put it together in a way
Speaker 1: that makes sense as a story. But it was this
Speaker 1: whole just like energy. If you just get everyone on board,
Speaker 1: it's like, one way or another, we're gonna figure this out.
Speaker 1: And look and if it all of fall apart, if
Speaker 1: Paul was like he watched the episode and he was
Speaker 1: just like you screwed me, You ruined my life. I
Speaker 1: would have had to deal with that. I would have
Speaker 1: had to put that him. You know, like a lot
Speaker 1: of it is like instincts. It's just like being in
Speaker 1: touch with your instincts and following like a hunch of
Speaker 1: like I feel like this is the direction to go,
Speaker 1: and I feel like this is gonna work or get
Speaker 1: us something interesting, and then it's luck. Really but I
Speaker 1: was lucky on the on this one for sure. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: What was what was like the hardest thing, like, like
Speaker 1: I guess emotionally for you in making this because like
Speaker 1: like you said, you're watching him and his life unfold
Speaker 1: while also kind of, you know, navigating your own responsibility
Speaker 1: to him and obviously responsibility to yourself as a creator.
Speaker 1: Like was there like were there ever any moments where
Speaker 1: you're kind of at odds with that or you always
Speaker 1: kind of you kind of always had this vision and
Speaker 1: felt like it was going to just kind of move
Speaker 1: in the same way. I mean, yeah, there was always
Speaker 1: a conflict, and you seen in the show on like
Speaker 1: they're these scenes that you know, I would read them
Speaker 1: years ago, like scenes that he wrote and think they
Speaker 1: were very interesting or funny or weird and worth shooting,
Speaker 1: and then we'd be on set where he's like telling
Speaker 1: an actress to like do something you know, did see
Speaker 1: or whatever and ever like, yeah, that stuff was hard,
Speaker 1: but I knew That's why I was like, well, this
Speaker 1: will be an uncomfortable, interesting scene to shoot, So I
Speaker 1: knew that going in, but still doing it was like
Speaker 1: really hard to get through. But then it was you know,
Speaker 1: the hardest thing was probably that four hours of sitting
Speaker 1: in his kitchen at the end, which makes up about
Speaker 1: like a third of the last episode, where I'm just
Speaker 1: showing him stuff and you see he keeps closing a laptop,
Speaker 1: he keeps like it's hard, he's denying it, and I'm
Speaker 1: having to present him with stuff like the letter you know,
Speaker 1: to her parents or you know, things that I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, this is not gonna be easier. We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about we're gonna talk through everything, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: you know, cover our basis. And I tried to tell him, look,
Speaker 1: this is to protect you, Like, if this becomes a
Speaker 1: thing that people watch, I can't hide stuff that you
Speaker 1: did because every there's reddit, everything will come out like
Speaker 1: and so like I can't like for my sake, hide
Speaker 1: things that I know to have happened to protect you,
Speaker 1: because that will make me look worse and you look worse.
Speaker 1: Like we have to do this responsibly and honestly, we
Speaker 1: have to cover all sides of this, like in the
Speaker 1: time that we have. But yeah, that was you know,
Speaker 1: that stuff wasn't easy because we have a weird relationship.
Speaker 1: It's not just like a documentary filmmaker and sub I
Speaker 1: would be doing this for ten years and it is
Speaker 1: like a very unique kind of friendship. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, I knew my responsibility was to the truth
Speaker 1: and reality, and so you know, I knew part of
Speaker 1: that would involve putting him in uncomfortable moments. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And how did you sort of approach interacting with him
Speaker 1: because there were moments where you can tell where you're
Speaker 1: a little kind of like oh boy, and like, so
Speaker 1: how did you sort of like keep your composure and
Speaker 1: like continue to work with him and not get sort
Speaker 1: of burnt out from his energy? Really, I think I'm
Speaker 1: just I mean, he is very likable in real life.
Speaker 1: Everyone else set loved him. He's very I mean, he's
Speaker 1: like he's exactly as he comes across, but he's just
Speaker 1: like this kind of like upbeat, very likable, goofball And
Speaker 1: I don't know, I have a weird knack for um,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty good with people who have like kind of
Speaker 1: extreme personalities. And I don't know where it comes from.
Speaker 1: But but if you look like the history of people
Speaker 1: I've I've gravitated towards working with generally are are are
Speaker 1: out there or in some way in some way or
Speaker 1: just very forceful or driven or I think I just
Speaker 1: I have a good vibe with people who are these
Speaker 1: very big presences, and I'm very kind of attuned to
Speaker 1: working with with people like that. So yeah, no, I
Speaker 1: never I mean, yeah, it's you know, like it's in
Speaker 1: the show. It's like I there's a montage at the
Speaker 1: end of the fifth episode where you see like, yeah,
Speaker 1: times I'm like exasperate and exhausted, but then other times
Speaker 1: we're laughing together and it's it's like a family member
Speaker 1: or something. It's just like, yeah, this person we drive
Speaker 1: each other crazy sometimes, but I think we also do
Speaker 1: like each other. And you know, you just you navigate that.
Speaker 1: Do you think people can take things from your that
Speaker 1: final you know, conversation that happens in his kitchen for
Speaker 1: when they are trying to deprogram their Fox News brand.
Speaker 1: Parents like have be like its gonna come out, guys,
Speaker 1: Well that's it. Like the camera, the camera provides such
Speaker 1: a imbalance of power, and I tried to like do
Speaker 1: that in the kitchen scene. You could like the way
Speaker 1: I framed them behind the scenes shot. You see I'm
Speaker 1: still hiding behind the camera, and it's like, what I
Speaker 1: hold all the camera all the power in that situation
Speaker 1: where it's like you're on camera, you're under the gun.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you stuff. You can lie right now
Speaker 1: if you want. But I had all the power in
Speaker 1: that situation. It's like, yeah, people can't do that with
Speaker 1: their parents. That's why these conversations are so impossible and
Speaker 1: hard is because in an actual conversation, there is there
Speaker 1: isn't that in balance. There isn't one person who's like
Speaker 1: I'm the I'm the questionnaire and you and you have
Speaker 1: to be responsible for what you say and a lot
Speaker 1: of people are gonna see to see you better be
Speaker 1: you better be careful. You know, That's why you it's
Speaker 1: so hard to get with, to make progress with someone
Speaker 1: in real life, a loved one who's who's dug into
Speaker 1: this stuff because all of our instincts are just to
Speaker 1: dig further in and become defensive. And uh, it's extremely
Speaker 1: I have, you know, issues like that in my own family.
Speaker 1: I think everyone does, and it's like, yeah, you you cat.
Speaker 1: You can have people you love of who who are
Speaker 1: on a path. And you know, there's so much on
Speaker 1: social media or YouTube algorithms. I'll watch one, you know,
Speaker 1: Jordan Peterson video because someone sends it to me to
Speaker 1: like laugh at him, and then all my suggestions are
Speaker 1: just Ben Shapiro and like, you know, all this ship
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, I see how people if you're
Speaker 1: not looking at that critically, you just zoom down that
Speaker 1: rabbit hole. And then suddenly it feels like, oh, the
Speaker 1: whole world is telling me that they're out to get me.
Speaker 1: And then you have what we're talking about before that,
Speaker 1: like Fox News, you know, nonsense kind of manufactured outrage
Speaker 1: against all this stuff that it's very hard to pull
Speaker 1: people out of the force of the force of the
Speaker 1: internet is is extremely powerful. So I don't know, I
Speaker 1: think what I think. Actually, I was lucky with Paul
Speaker 1: because he's not an inherently angry person. He's not spending
Speaker 1: all day on YouTube and on social media, just getting
Speaker 1: indoctrinated and reindoctrinated with this stuff. He's just kind of
Speaker 1: his only concerned with his own story. That's that's what's
Speaker 1: unique about him is he's not someone like most people
Speaker 1: fixated on where the world is going. He's just concerned
Speaker 1: about kind of being vindicated in his own life and
Speaker 1: feeling like he has value and worth. And that's I think,
Speaker 1: in large part, what what this whole quest was about.
Speaker 1: And so I don't think he's sitting there watching this
Speaker 1: kind of stuff that just you know, sucks you into
Speaker 1: this world of anger and resentment and uh, you know
Speaker 1: this victimized feeling. I will say, I do think no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I never gave me that energy. Yeah. Like he's always
Speaker 1: very like into his own situation where he was being intimate.
Speaker 1: It was funny, he was like, yeah, this this is
Speaker 1: weird for everyone. I love his commentary on everything was great.
Speaker 1: And also like, I feel like he can run an
Speaker 1: incredible marketing agency because the way he marked himself. His
Speaker 1: Google docs filled with tweets like I was like, this
Speaker 1: is actually he has something here, he built something here,
Speaker 1: he could be I was depressed. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I should have Google docs tweet when I'm promoting stuff.
Speaker 1: Like I was like, this is actually quite genius and
Speaker 1: he knows how to rework the system. Was like, can't
Speaker 1: you even misspell a few things then they don't think
Speaker 1: you're you know, Like I was like, Wow, he's actually
Speaker 1: good because he got you to make this show, Jason,
Speaker 1: Like I was like, you can't hate Paul because he
Speaker 1: actually knows what he's doing and he could really, I
Speaker 1: don't know, build from here, because I was quite impressed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean at the end of this, get this made
Speaker 1: through force of will, Like he just pushed and pushed
Speaker 1: forever and got it made. He did, I think, eventually
Speaker 1: get kicked off of Twitter and had to reactivate his
Speaker 1: account because if you see in the show, he has
Speaker 1: like a hundred and something thousand followers. Now he's got
Speaker 1: like eight hundred followers because actually, someone I read there
Speaker 1: was like some sweep that you Twitter did in like
Speaker 1: Steen where they wiped out accounts that we're doing just
Speaker 1: what Paul was doing, which he was basically like being
Speaker 1: a human bot essentially, and so that got that account
Speaker 1: got knocked out because people see his Twitter now and
Speaker 1: wonder why he's got so many fewer followers. I think
Speaker 1: that's what happened. Yeah. I also was kind of like,
Speaker 1: is he buying followers? How is this moving so quickly?
Speaker 1: How he was following? He was definitely, I mean, I
Speaker 1: do think he was following a thousand people a day,
Speaker 1: but I think he was buying followers as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it was like a hundred something thousand and he wasn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, but that was smart because I met him
Speaker 1: when when he first create me and I looked at
Speaker 1: the Twitter, I said a hundred like, oh, maybe this
Speaker 1: guy does have a movement behind him. Maybe this is
Speaker 1: the thing I don't know about. It worked until I
Speaker 1: met him. Until I met him and he was so
Speaker 1: honest about his press, and I was like, oh no,
Speaker 1: this is all a facade in the interest of getting
Speaker 1: this thing made. Well, I feel like we could talk
Speaker 1: talk to you about this for hours. Quest is a
Speaker 1: good word for it. It's really it's a quest. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it goes beyond TV show. It's really just like a yeah,
Speaker 1: a quest. Yeah, great, great piece of art. So yeah,
Speaker 1: everyone needs to go watch Paul T. Goldman on Peacock.
Speaker 1: All six episodes are out, now go stop this for
Speaker 1: right now. But also and also if you have MAGA parents,
Speaker 1: maybe try what Jason did. Just put him in front
Speaker 1: of a cam quarter and see if that helps the questions.
Speaker 1: Do all the research ahead of time, all all the
Speaker 1: all their key like points that they like it. You know,
Speaker 1: it's easier. I say, it's easier when you have like
Speaker 1: a video of like a really nice guy explaining everything
Speaker 1: he was doing it as missionary orice rock. Oh come
Speaker 1: on now, but yeah, thank you so much for for
Speaker 1: doing it. Jason. Where can people find you? Follow you?
Speaker 1: I guess we already told him where they can watch?
Speaker 1: Ye just go on Peak. I can watch it. I
Speaker 1: mean I'm on Twitter to temporarily just to promote the
Speaker 1: show because there wasn't much of a marketing campaign. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't really post online. I just learn right, make
Speaker 1: cool T shirts sometimes, Yeah, we will take three T shirts.
Speaker 1: Govs sure you don't want the fastest you can slam
Speaker 1: the mana shirts. Paul Pault Goldman dot com. He's running
Speaker 1: a red bubble store. It's on eighties, seven different products.
Speaker 1: You can get a nice you can get a queen
Speaker 1: size comforter. With that, all your pult Goldman needs Paul
Speaker 1: Goldman dot com. Okay, he's on, he's on. He's on
Speaker 1: cameo as well. If you've got a message for a
Speaker 1: loved one, that's a great cameo. Actually, he would be
Speaker 1: an amazing Yeah, he's got five five stars right now
Speaker 1: and he says you get the other day he said
Speaker 1: he's done the eighteen of them, and uh, I watched
Speaker 1: one of them. He was like a guy wishing happy
Speaker 1: birthday to his wife and he was like, thank you
Speaker 1: for not stealing my assets. Hes good stuff. You know
Speaker 1: he's going to give it us all, all right, amazing,
Speaker 1: thank you Jason. Thanks guys. Wait, okay, you can get
Speaker 1: a slam the man as fast as you can shower
Speaker 1: curtain and scarf. It's like I am just all written
Speaker 1: out on one line. Yeah, like mouse pads. Hey, guess
Speaker 1: what you guys, this is what you're all getting for Christmas? Alright,
Speaker 1: we love. We had to cut Jason loose. Uh he
Speaker 1: had to run. But what what an asshole? Right? I
Speaker 1: think we can all agree he scammed us. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: mean actually, after all that, now I'm sort of thinking
Speaker 1: Paul scam Jason. Yeah. But tremendous booking from super Producer
Speaker 1: that was so fun. Yeah? Yeah, Anna, Where can people
Speaker 1: find you? Follow you? And is there a work of
Speaker 1: media social or otherwise that you've been enjoying? Ah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can follow me at Anna host n A on
Speaker 1: Twitter and then at Selling host n on Instagram. I
Speaker 1: have a substack if you'd like to subscribe dot substance
Speaker 1: dot com. So can I do some promotion of live
Speaker 1: shows I am doing? I am doing two live shows
Speaker 1: this weekend at s F Sketch Fest. I'll be in
Speaker 1: San Francisco. I will be doing Matt Leeb and Vince
Speaker 1: Mancini's podcast Pod Yourself a Gun on Saturday at one
Speaker 1: January at ten pm at Piano Fight in San Francisco.
Speaker 1: Get your tickets now go just go to s F
Speaker 1: Sketch Fest website type Pod Yourself a Gun you can
Speaker 1: find it. And then on Sunday, January twenty nine at
Speaker 1: four pm at the Gateway Theater, we are doing it live.
Speaker 1: Will you accept this Rose podcast with Arden Marine, Doug
Speaker 1: Benson's gonna be on it, Paget Brewster, Mike Carosa, Oh, Marylynn,
Speaker 1: Rice cub is gonna be on it, and Michael Hitchcock.
Speaker 1: If you guys a Michael at Hitchcock hilarious act if
Speaker 1: you I'm sure you guys know who guys if you
Speaker 1: saw him, But yeah, you can get tickets for that
Speaker 1: still available. So yeah, come see us at SF sketch
Speaker 1: Us would be so fun to see you guys, to
Speaker 1: see you guys, see us guys and see have us
Speaker 1: see you seeing us seeing you, and so that would
Speaker 1: be like really great. And a what is it called
Speaker 1: tweet or something that I've been joining the media meet? Okay,
Speaker 1: here we go. All right, here's something I thought was
Speaker 1: funny from Nick Newman at Nick Underscore Newman. Lydia Tar
Speaker 1: belittled a pan gender BIPOC student. She groomed young women,
Speaker 1: one of them committed suicide this morning. She got multiple
Speaker 1: Oscar nominations. Please tell me again how cancel culture is real?
Speaker 1: Which I was like, Jesus, have you guys seen Tar?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, oh my gosh, it's true, like everyone
Speaker 1: praises Lydia Tar. Yeah, I'm just her behavior is deplorable,
Speaker 1: out of control, out of pocket even that was the
Speaker 1: thing I saw someone on Twitter being like, what is
Speaker 1: out of pocket mean to you? Okay, that's really funny
Speaker 1: because I got an email where someone was telling me
Speaker 1: they were unavailable of unavailable, and they said they were
Speaker 1: out of pocket, and I spent like twenty minutes being
Speaker 1: like what yeah, yea. So those are two different, distinct,
Speaker 1: unrelated meanings. Out of pocket being like I'm out of
Speaker 1: them that I work in. I guess essentially I always
Speaker 1: thought it meant like I'm working what I'm working out
Speaker 1: off my phone, like out of my pocket, But I
Speaker 1: think it just means I'm not in, I'm not at
Speaker 1: I won't be at work, but there. Yeah, then there's
Speaker 1: also obviously you know, what are your out of pocket expenses? Look,
Speaker 1: it's a very pliable phrase, you know, that's right, Miles.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying? Well,
Speaker 1: you can find me in the pocket because I'm all
Speaker 1: about the rhythm section on basse and drums at Miles
Speaker 1: of Gray on Twitter and Instagram. And also I have
Speaker 1: a TikTok, but I haven't made anything something. I mean
Speaker 1: shout out to people follow me there, but I probably
Speaker 1: won't post anything quite yet until I get all my
Speaker 1: wigs and stuff in order. Um let's see, you can
Speaker 1: all will find Jack and on our Podcastles and Jackot,
Speaker 1: Matt Boost you's got a new episode. Uh, and also
Speaker 1: for fiance some tweets that are like just this one.
Speaker 1: It's from at Mica Micah Underscore Earth and created fun fact.
Speaker 1: The divorce rate is the lowest it's been in forty years,
Speaker 1: And when you look at it on a chart, you're like, oh, ship,
Speaker 1: look at look at America doing its thing, just having
Speaker 1: a lower thing. And then people will be saying like,
Speaker 1: is it because people aren't getting married as much? And
Speaker 1: this person saying that it's not taking into account the
Speaker 1: marriage rate. It's independent of that. It's just this is
Speaker 1: this is where we're at. Probably because enough of us
Speaker 1: have seen some weird ass marriages that we're starting to
Speaker 1: make better decisions. But that's just mine. That's so divorce
Speaker 1: is down. Yeah, I think it's because, well, we all
Speaker 1: just went to the pandemic. We don't want to be alone,
Speaker 1: so you're just like sort of settling. I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe it's a dark side to everything it's been. Well,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. It's been on a downward trend since
Speaker 1: even before the O eight recession. Yeah, not enough people's
Speaker 1: wives are meeting Frank Hello, you know, Paul Goldman reference.
Speaker 1: Go watch the goddamn show because it's and I would
Speaker 1: love him too if I met Frank Grilla. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: you can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore. Brian
Speaker 1: and I've enjoyed a couple tweets. Someone at Future Cannon
Speaker 1: tweeted exactly one year ago and that was on January,
Speaker 1: and they tweeted Harris Hilton's appearance on the Jimmy Fallon
Speaker 1: podcast where she introduced everyone to her ape to her
Speaker 1: n f T and that is a moment that will
Speaker 1: go down in history, and I'm glad that we're recognizing
Speaker 1: it's one year anniversary. And then Sandra Bolo three days
Speaker 1: ago tweeted, I got so scared filming Gravity. I thought
Speaker 1: that was a cool, cool sentiment. Let's get my father
Speaker 1: in law hates that movie. And then Tessa at Tessa
Speaker 1: Pisa tweeted prepping my dad to meet my non barinary
Speaker 1: friend and I cannot breathe it his response, and it's
Speaker 1: just this text exchange. Also, don't forget Naomi is not
Speaker 1: a girl. There nine non binary, and if it's easier,
Speaker 1: they would probably prefer you accidentally call them a boy
Speaker 1: than a girl. L O L. And then The dad's
Speaker 1: response was, Okay, can I just call them? Hey buddy? Yeah,
Speaker 1: some real bad ship. Can I Can I just call them?
Speaker 1: Hey buddy? I can I just tell you? I had
Speaker 1: to tell my I had a not I have a
Speaker 1: non binary friend, and I told my dad. They Then
Speaker 1: my dad goes, okay them, and I'm like, well, okay,
Speaker 1: just just call them literally them. I am saying them,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you can say they as well. And
Speaker 1: he kept saying them and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: you are just why is that mad at me? Well? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he could figure it out. And I was like, I
Speaker 1: know you're trying. But the parents, dude, that's like the
Speaker 1: final frontier for both is the pronouns thing. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know they try even if they're like them. Trust. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there are people in my family. I'm not gonna I mean,
Speaker 1: there's I've seen people my family struggle, like in a
Speaker 1: in a good faith way to be like I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I'm in them. I'm sorry, it's
Speaker 1: I'm really trying, and I'm like, you're getting panicked in
Speaker 1: the weirdest way about it, and they just walk off,
Speaker 1: muttering and walk into traffic. All right, Well, you can
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