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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to seventy two,

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Speaker 1: Episode five of Dirt Daylies Guy Day production of My

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. This is a podcast where we take a

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Speaker 1: deep dive and do America share consciousness. It's Friday, January.

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Speaker 1: Got all that right, which of course means, oh whoa today? Man,

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Speaker 1: you can't me slip. And I was like, yep, you

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Speaker 1: got that. We got the right day, we got the

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Speaker 1: right day. And what is it? It's actually Vietnam Peace Day,

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Speaker 1: National Chocolate Cake Day, Holocaust Remembrance Day, National Fun at

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Speaker 1: Work Day, World Breast Pumping Day, and National big Wig Day.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot one day when we just came off

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Speaker 1: of like like weird ones that was like burns, suppers

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Speaker 1: nights or whatever the fun is that anyway, But it's

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Speaker 1: sport a big Wig today. Like I think it's literally

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Speaker 1: about big wigs. Okay, we're not anybody who delebrate the

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Speaker 1: c suite, no, no, But if you've ever performed at

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Speaker 1: the ground links, you've lived this every day. We're in

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Speaker 1: a big old way. How are you with wiggs? Oh?

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Speaker 1: I love wigs, love all right. My name is Jack O'Brien,

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Speaker 1: Tapple House and I'm thrilled to be joined as always

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Speaker 1: by my co host Mr Miles g whoa Kendy? Eminem?

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Speaker 1: Whoa green candy? Eminem? Green candy is so cute? Eminem

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Speaker 1: want to lick them boots? Eminem looking like a nor

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Speaker 1: derb Eminem. Real sweets have curves? Eminem? Whoa green candy?

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Speaker 1: Eminem shout out to Salvador Jolly on the discord, you know,

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Speaker 1: a little bit of ram jam. They're uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: going off of the outrage over the curves of the

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Speaker 1: anthropomorphized candies. Real candy has curbs. The truth because it's

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Speaker 1: a T shirt right there. Don't eat any candies will

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Speaker 1: write angles. We know that that's right, well, Miles. We

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Speaker 1: are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by

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Speaker 1: a writer and director behind absolute classics like Eagle Heart

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Speaker 1: with Chris Elliott, the Academy Award nominator bore At Subsequent

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Speaker 1: movie Film, and the new comedy classic Mind Bending docu

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Speaker 1: series Politique Goldman. It is Jason Will and thanks guys,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having me. It's like coming on. We are

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Speaker 1: very excited. We're very excited to have you on. We've

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Speaker 1: just been talking about the show NonStop, and like I

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Speaker 1: was saying before, it's not often we get to talk

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Speaker 1: to somebody who's made a show that we're like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, we just like we just talked

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Speaker 1: about it from our our altitude. Thank you for that's cool. No,

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Speaker 1: mostly it was just making it. So I'm just it's

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Speaker 1: not often I get to talk about it. It's like

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Speaker 1: to be at that point and not not have to

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Speaker 1: work on it anymore. It seemed like a lot of work.

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Speaker 1: That would be my first note. Yeah, it's a show

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Speaker 1: that's designed to prove when you watch it that it

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Speaker 1: was a lot of work. You showed your work made. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we we have a segment streaming corner that listeners are

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Speaker 1: aware of, but the way those usually come together is

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Speaker 1: on a Hosnier texts us at like you know, midnight.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes she's just finished watching something and she's like, you

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Speaker 1: Season two of The Vale, for instance, I've I've been

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Speaker 1: response to that prompt. But this one we immediately got into.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about the next day, and that was before

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Speaker 1: we knew you were coming on. So this is, uh,

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Speaker 1: this is a thrill. We're gonna do a on a

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Speaker 1: streaming corner in act three and talk Paul T coltman

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Speaker 1: with you here, all right, Jason, We're gonna get to

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Speaker 1: know you a little bit better in a moment. First,

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Speaker 1: a couple of things we're talking about. We're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: and Xbox, one of them intentionally stepping and waiting into

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Speaker 1: imagine that. Xbox was like, oh, this is gonna this

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Speaker 1: this is a an increased efficiency we've found. Yeah, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about Alex Jones's long standing up session with

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Speaker 1: Stanley Kubrick, where it comes from some weird things like

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Speaker 1: That's how art works. There are ideas in the art.

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Speaker 1: Were picking up. What's he saying with that? Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: we like to ask our guest, what is something from

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Speaker 1: your search history that is revealing about who you are?

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Speaker 1: I was just looking at my history from yesterday. We

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Speaker 1: a theme park in the Netherlands called Efteling that recently,

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Speaker 1: after a long battle, changed some very racist rides that

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Speaker 1: theme park. International theme park controversy. Wow, there's there's a

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Speaker 1: than anything that that was. No, So monster Cannabo Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's yesterday, Yeah Monsieur Canniball. For people who don't even

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Speaker 1: if you're not googling. Basically, it's like a tea cup

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Speaker 1: that and their excuse was like, well, you gotta understand

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Speaker 1: this just can't be too offensive. Yeah, right, what the fun?

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Speaker 1: police reform where it's like, let's change this one thing.

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Speaker 1: And it was like, that's not the fucking problem. Like

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Speaker 1: I don't know that he wasn't eating ice cream. What

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Speaker 1: is something you think is overrated? I think remote work

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Speaker 1: some people that have adapted to like digitally collaborating creatively

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Speaker 1: while there's like, man, you miss so much energy in

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Speaker 1: the room. Yeah, well that's what like editing this show

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Speaker 1: Come on, let's let's let's take some right now. Put

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Speaker 1: it all on the line. Everything is overrated. Everything you

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Speaker 1: This wasn't like a Bob Biker take where he's like, alright,

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Speaker 1: fucker's enough fucking around, get your asses in the office,

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Speaker 1: because sucking rents too high. But it's the missing X

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Speaker 1: factor for you of like collaborating in person. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: just think human interaction in terms of like when you're

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Speaker 1: But like when I would like do shows that I

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Speaker 1: the hey day. I don't think Iger is gonna like

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Speaker 1: they just they just preferred to meet in there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's a whole But what's the studio that has just

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Speaker 1: Warner has like the lot with just it looks like

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Speaker 1: like just yeah, what what read is exteriors eat inside?

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Speaker 1: The secrets are all there, that's right. What is something

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Speaker 1: And I thought if there was like only one McDonald's,

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Speaker 1: I would like travel far to eat that food. I

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Speaker 1: Glendia other close. I get so disturbed. When of McDonald's closes,

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Speaker 1: like it can't be like I had. There's a McDonald's

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Speaker 1: Like Tucker Carlson railing against the vaccine early vaccine. He

425
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Speaker 1: definitely had to be vaccinated to come back to work.

426
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Speaker 1: Like the what these people actually believe if you actually

427
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 1: sat down with them and what they say on their

428
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Speaker 1: I think there's a big disconnect. I mean, I think

429
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 1: it's it's obviously wicked, but I think it's all a

430
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Speaker 1: joke like to them, I guess that's probably how they

431
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 1: sleep at night too, right, how it's how they make

432
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: their money. Yeah, And it's like like, Okay, yeah, here's

433
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Speaker 1: my character. I go on, I act mad about stuff.

434
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Speaker 1: But even him using the term climate conscious like implies

435
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 1: like you know, this is uh not a bad thing.

436
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: This is like you know, yeah, I don't. I don't know,

437
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: Like it's I think it's it's all just bad faith

438
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,919
Speaker 1: play acting of outrage. It's the thing that I'm like

439
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: really curious about, right because it's all their whole, their

440
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: whole like media infrastructure. They're like the what am I

441
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: looking for? The ecosystem where all this information is coming from?

442
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 1: Like there's always this like weird irony at the end

443
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Speaker 1: of the day, Like it's always really bad for the

444
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Speaker 1: consumer to agree with what they're seeing on Fox, like

445
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 1: and then they're like yeah, man, I don't need fucking medicine, man. Yeah,

446
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,199
Speaker 1: Like I'm gonna sleep with a gas heater on in

447
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 1: my bedroom with the window shut because I'm not woke.

448
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 1: Like it's just funny how the feedback loop also is

449
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: like in specific ways, like with the vaccine is something

450
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: that is absolutely and athetical to them like living a longer,

451
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 1: healthy life, and then in the broader scale for every

452
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: human being on earth to probably suffer the consequences because

453
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: we're not tackling these issues correctly. But then they don't

454
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Speaker 1: tell the local like AM talk radio people because they're

455
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: all like actually dying from like COVID and they're like,

456
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 1: nobody told me wholes are all vaccinated. I'm out here

457
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: dying for this ship. Different levels, I mean, there's levels

458
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Speaker 1: to it, you know, you always yeah, I I have

459
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Speaker 1: to think that, Like when when she was like, oh wow,

460
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Speaker 1: I didn't even think about that they are trying to

461
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Speaker 1: I think she had thought about that because it was

462
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Speaker 1: in the script that they were working off of. Yes,

463
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Speaker 1: I had not even thought about that. You know. Fox

464
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Speaker 1: News is an entertainment channel and that's all it is,

465
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Speaker 1: and it's keeping and and it's job is to keep

466
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Speaker 1: people watching Fox News and they figured out this is

467
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Speaker 1: what does it? That's what that's argument they made to

468
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Speaker 1: keep Tucker Carlson like after he did, I forget what

469
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Speaker 1: specifically damaging conspiracy theory he was spreading at the time,

470
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: but there was actually I forget if it like went

471
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Speaker 1: to court or something. But they had to come out

472
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Speaker 1: and be like, Tucker Carlson is an entertainers, right, That's

473
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Speaker 1: the evil thing is because the people watching don't think

474
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Speaker 1: of it his entertainment. They think they're watching a news

475
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Speaker 1: channel and they're like, oh, man, so if Tucker is

476
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Speaker 1: not getting horny f eminem's, then that means America's losing,

477
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: because that's right. He'll say something like that and get

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Speaker 1: mad and he knows. Look, you remember the thing that

479
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: came out of him wasn't he was like thanking Joe

480
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Speaker 1: Biden for helping his kid out or just something where

481
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Speaker 1: you read or like what this has nothing to do

482
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Speaker 1: with this character we're seeing on screen. It was like, oh,

483
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,199
Speaker 1: the world, the real world of these people are so

484
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Speaker 1: different than what we're seeing on screen. But right, the

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Speaker 1: people at home, who are you know, for instance, not

486
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Speaker 1: getting the vaccine or getting riled up about woke. Eminem's

487
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 1: like to them, that's real. To them, this is real life.

488
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Speaker 1: But the people on screen this is this is their

489
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Speaker 1: job is the show. I think again, and I think

490
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Speaker 1: part of the thing that makes this like really part

491
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: of the bread and butter the network is like they

492
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: have to politicize everything, but they can actually talk hard

493
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: politics or policy because then that that begins to be

494
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: like something you have to reckon with like facts and

495
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: like what works and doesn't work. You can't be like, well,

496
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Speaker 1: what would eighteen billion dollars less being spent on defense

497
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: mean for X, Y and Z. It's like, I don't know, man,

498
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Speaker 1: they don't want to spend that. It's because they want

499
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Speaker 1: to make the soldiers wear addresses or something. And it's

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Speaker 1: like and it doesn't speak, It has nothing to do

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00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 1: with facts. It just speaks to your appealing to like

502
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: a victimization feeling among the audience and saying you're right

503
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,719
Speaker 1: there there, you're not crazy. They're coming for you. They

504
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: want to take what you have. They're coming to get you.

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing that keeps people watching them, gets

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Speaker 1: them advertising dollars. Yeah, I mean just skipping down to

507
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Speaker 1: somebody who is has actually gone on the record in

508
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Speaker 1: court being like, I am a professional wrestling character that

509
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Speaker 1: you know. Alex Jones, our writer jam was pointing out

510
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Speaker 1: he was doing some research watching the thing and noticed

511
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Speaker 1: that like one of the logos was hal nine thousand,

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Speaker 1: like in a but it was like kind of sweaty.

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Speaker 1: It didn't make sense as a as a reference, and

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Speaker 1: so he looked into it. And Alex Jones apparently is

515
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: weirdly obsessed with Stanley Kubrick and making the case that

516
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Speaker 1: Stanley Kubrick is like a right wing profit. A few

517
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: years ago, they published an editorial about how the world

518
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: of a Clockwork Orange bears an uncomfortable resemblance to our own.

519
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: The film is too bold, too brash, too brazen, and

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00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: it's honest yet stylized depiction of the foibles and failures

521
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: of humanity in our society, and too unflinching and its

522
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: artistic honesty and insight for our soft modern world, which

523
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Speaker 1: is funny. First of all, it's funny to like take

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Speaker 1: the entire point of a dystopian sci fi movie, which

525
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: is to like show you a world that seems different,

526
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Speaker 1: but then the more you watch, you're like, ah, but

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00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: I see the similarities and you know and just like

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00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: say it in a tone that makes it sound like

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Speaker 1: it's a conspiracy that they've done this, like that it's

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Speaker 1: a secret message that they're sending you. Reminds me of

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Speaker 1: like the Da Vinci Code, where they like took symbolism

532
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: in art and like reduced it to the level of

533
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: like a crossword puzzle where you're like, when you look

534
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: at her hand, she's actually pointing at a word jumble

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Speaker 1: that's written over here in invisible link that you have

536
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: to solve to to find out the clue. But also

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00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: it's just ignoring I don't know, fact, like it's too

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00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: woke for our world. And it's a movie that was

539
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: incredibly controversial when it came out in the seventies, like

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00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: it sparked massive protests and like Stanley Kuber banned it

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00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: in the UK like decided not to distribute it. But yeah,

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00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: it's just wild too again, like the weird confirmation bias

543
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: set to nine million or whatever. It's just like like

544
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: every like, yeah, oh, I can see it now. But again,

545
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: it's always having to be you know, bending towards whatever

546
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: you needed to meet to mean, and in this case,

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00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: I just love it's like exactly he foretold all of

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Speaker 1: these issues, except I'm not quite sure which side of

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00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: this equation I'm actually on. Yeah, And then he had

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Speaker 1: Stanley Kubrick's daughter, Vivian Kubrick on, and apparently she's a

551
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: huge Alex Jones fan now and is yeah, I don't know,

552
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: like violent art, far right memes on Twitter and publicly

553
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: proclaimed her admiration of Alex Jones when she came on,

554
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: said I've been listening to Alex Jones for many years.

555
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: I know how accurate he has been about what's going

556
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Speaker 1: down on this planet. And also so she she's wearing

557
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: a headlight and to go pro camera on her head

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00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: and said that enemies of humanity are running the world,

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Speaker 1: the world, and they might be extraterrestrials. And that was

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00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: like in the first five minutes of the show, which

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00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: is just it's such a bummer, truly, is that, like,

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00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,959
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's it's getting to everyone, you know.

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00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: Alex Jones also thinks Stanley Koprick had psychic powers and

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Speaker 1: that's where he got his movie ideas. Again, just like Wild,

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00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: just attempt by someone who's not creative to understand the

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Speaker 1: creative process. He must have been had some someone sending

567
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: him psychic messages like how did you come up with

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00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: Dr Strange Love five years before you know, the the

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Speaker 1: Cube Missile crisis or a decade before the Cuban Missile crisis.

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00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: It's like that there was It was based on a

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00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: dramatic novel that had already been singled out by the

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Speaker 1: Pentagon for its accuracy, like repeatedly, he just kept confusing.

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Speaker 1: Really like Stanley Kubrick did really careful and intense and

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00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: broad research for all of his movies, like the He

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Speaker 1: the other thing, he's like shut like I've seen massed

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Speaker 1: orgies in my time. By that he like dropped that

577
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: as an aside. He was like when I was a teenager,

578
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: I went to some satanic massed orgies and just like

579
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: didn't didn't go further into that. But he took the

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Speaker 1: Eyes Wide Shut orgy as like a sign that he

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00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: was telling on actual like orgies that Stanley Kubrick had

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Speaker 1: been invited to, when in fact it was like this

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00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: deep historical research into actual you know, rituals from the

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Speaker 1: eighteenth and nineteenth century, like how those things actually went down. Also,

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00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: their conspiracy is that Eyes White Shut was about like

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Speaker 1: the real illuminati and that like powerful celebrities had Kubrick

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Speaker 1: killed because he died right after completing the movie, which

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00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: is just doesn't really hold together as a like why

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00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: would he He had been working on that since like

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00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: the sixties. Yeah, they should have killed him before she

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00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: showed him, before he completed it. I like that. They're

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00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, just their the assassins are like hold on,

593
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: let him cook. Want to see what he got going.

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00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, I'm a big fan. Wait, no, we

595
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: gotta finish it. But then yeah, we gotta punish him. Yeah.

596
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: And also again, yeah, the question of where he got

597
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: the idea for eyes why shut could have been solved

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00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: with Google. Like that's the thing. So many of these

599
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: kind of long running conspiracy theories, and this kind of

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00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: this comes up in Polti Goldman as well, like the

601
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: so many of these things can be solved with Google,

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00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: like just a little bit of Google, not even you know,

603
00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 1: prolonged and detailed research, but just a little bit to

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00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: be like, oh, there are these four other explanations. That

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00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: also makes sense. Yeah, I mean to what you guys

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00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: are talking about in terms of confirmation bias, It's like, yeah,

607
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 1: it's kind of the backwards. You decide what the truth is,

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00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: and then you make every bit of information you find

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00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: line up with it and kind of willfully ignore anything

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00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: that contradicts. Thator adds complexity to it. But yeah, I

611
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: mean you see that happening everywhere. Yeah, yeah, all right,

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Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we will come back

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00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: and do on a streaming corner and talk about all

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00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 1: that stuff as it relates to Paul T. Goldman. We'll

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Speaker 1: be right back. And we're back and we are joined

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Speaker 1: by superproducer on a hose Ny for a little thing.

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Speaker 1: We call on a streaming corner, streaming corner to talk

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Speaker 1: about Paul Goldman. Wow, this is mom entis the first

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Speaker 1: and a streaming corner where we've had a person from

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Speaker 1: the corner of streams on the show. Okay, that's wild.

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Speaker 1: I'm so psyched to be in the corners here. Oh hey,

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Speaker 1: how's it going? No, this is thrilling because yeah, I

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Speaker 1: heard you say. I did probably texted. All My streaming

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Speaker 1: takes place between midnight to four in the morning because

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Speaker 1: they're working me to death here please help, And so

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00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 1: I like immediately start screaming through text at these guys

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Speaker 1: to start watching anything and everything I'm watching, so PAULTI

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Speaker 1: goodman those first I think you could you guys dropped

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Speaker 1: four episodes or was it three? Three? On New Year's Day?

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Speaker 1: Great time to release the show. Everyone's definitely looking for,

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Speaker 1: like a really hard to describe that you need to

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Speaker 1: use your brain to watch when you're hungover a New

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Speaker 1: Year's Day. So it's made a huge splash, has expected.

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635
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Speaker 1: they released the whole sa. I think I think this

636
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 1: first time Paul breaks can't break, like breaks the fourth

637
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: wall and like you and then like you kind of

638
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: zoom out to see like the production. I think I paused,

639
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: and I think I texted and I was like, yeah,

640
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: this this ship is good for people who don't know

641
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: because you probably just keep hearing the name Jason. How

642
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 1: would you describe it like to something Like you said,

643
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: it's a difficult just to describe show, but I'd imagine

644
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,720
Speaker 1: the person who directed it would probably have a decent

645
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: way to describe it to people. You would imagine that

646
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: you would be surprisingly wrong. It's probably why it took

647
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: me like ten years to make it, because this is

648
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: a very hard show to describe. It. Basically, it's a

649
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,959
Speaker 1: it's a documentary series about a real person who calls

650
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: himself Paul T. Goldman, and it's his story about how

651
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: he married a lady who turned out to have a

652
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: secret double life and how he basically vowed to take

653
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 1: down her international crime ring which may or may not exist,

654
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: and it's about kind of me trying to figure out

655
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: what the hell is going on. Yeah, he's he's a

656
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: he's a fascinating character. Like I wanted to just ask, like, how,

657
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 1: like what about him did you see see as worthy

658
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 1: of of this documentary because he ends up being someone

659
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: that like I loved and like felt like felt for,

660
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: you know, and like he has this weird penchant to

661
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: like gravitate towards being scammed in any given situation. I mean,

662
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: minimum five scams happened to this series, Yes, including this

663
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: series itself. Yeah, that I didn't class I told my

664
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 1: friends was like he was scammed by scamed by multiple people,

665
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: including Jason. No. I mean that's why I referenced that

666
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: in the show. I mean that was part of his

667
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: wondering how much I'm just another person kind of taking

668
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: him image of his very trusting nature. But yeah, he

669
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,439
Speaker 1: tweeted at me in two thousand and twelve, and he said,

670
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 1: I have an incredible story to tell, and I wrote

671
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 1: a book and a screenplay about it. And I looked

672
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: at his website, I looked at his you know, and

673
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: I read his book, and I just fell in love

674
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: with kind of his voice and and just thought it

675
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 1: was so fascinating. It's a story with like a lot

676
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: of dark stuff in it, but also he's very you know,

677
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: light and goofy and likable. And I thought that was

678
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: such an interesting contrast. And and uh, I mean, I

679
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: didn't know I was going to spend ten years on it,

680
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: but I do think there's something there that was kind

681
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: of worth exploring. Yeah, and you capture this depiction of

682
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: a type or like a real person that I don't

683
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 1: think exists in a lot of places, like in media.

684
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: In like it just feels very authentic and like you're

685
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: seeing a work of art about you know, like those

686
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: paintings that you see in museums that are like of

687
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: everyday people as opposed to the ones that are like

688
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: about of the royalty. Like it feels like you're getting

689
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: this really in depth depiction of like who he is,

690
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 1: but also like what his imagination is, what his version

691
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 1: of the world is. And it's also a very specific

692
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: portrait of like the years. I think it's so like

693
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 1: two up to the present, like really the present tense.

694
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 1: Like you you have footage from the premiere of the

695
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: show in the in the final episode. I feel like

696
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: it also like captures a lot of what was going

697
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: on like during that era, some of the stuff we've

698
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: already talked about on the show, like that confirmation bias,

699
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: Internet rabbit hole, and like even the specificity of like

700
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: his cause becoming sex trafficking in the same way that

701
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: like a lot of the like Mega people like turned

702
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: to human trafficking as as their cause. But yeah, how

703
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: did that all come together? I mean it was really

704
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: just me interviewing him and filming him and observing what

705
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: was real. I was really just kind of luck that

706
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: this stuff, as we were making it started coinciding so

707
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: much with what was going on. But you know, I

708
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 1: was there's a clip in there when he's talking about

709
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: taking down this sex trafficking ring that he thinks he's

710
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: going to take down that he says like it's the

711
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: calm before the storm, And that was in that was

712
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: before Trump that was way more. It was like, so

713
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: all these things that I was interested in, and I've

714
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: always been interested in conspiracy minded people, but it really

715
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: did become so relevant in the years that we were

716
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: making it, and I thought it was just fortunate that,

717
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: you know, in Paul's story, ultimately no one has hurt,

718
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,439
Speaker 1: no lives were really ruined. There's not like there there's

719
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: some dark behavior on on on the part of different people,

720
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,720
Speaker 1: including Paul, but but it's not like such a bummer

721
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: that you couldn't also include the funnier parts of it.

722
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 1: So I thought it was a good a good opportunity

723
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: to balance things that I thought were funny and also

724
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: kind of shocking or sad or you know, just fascinating.

725
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: But to do this story about this kind of yeah,

726
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: that includes this conspiracy world and this stuff is very

727
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 1: that became very common, but in a way that like

728
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: no one was really hurt. I think it was good.

729
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: He's kind of you know, I think, you know, in

730
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, he's much more harmless than than

731
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: a lot of the people in this world. For sure. No,

732
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: I mean, like his his biggest flaw is that he's

733
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: like a born mark, you know, like he's so trusting

734
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 1: and it's so like constantly pivots to the positive. This

735
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: is really interesting. When I was like, man, this I've

736
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: never I It's like like Jack saying, like, it's not

737
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 1: often I've seen someone like this, and I'm like, Wow,

738
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: this guy seems very authentically like living just his life

739
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 1: in this very unique way. But it's causing a lot

740
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: of issues because he's trusting and he has a little

741
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: bit of he's like semi informed on things. But then

742
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: there's like psychics that are taking advantage of that, and

743
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: it just all comes together and you're like, oh, Ship

744
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 1: was the psychic is wild character? Yeah, yeah, she's a

745
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: human too, and I you know, I liked her a lot.

746
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: We visited her. That footage was shot in twenty seventeen

747
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: where we went to her ranch and you know, in

748
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: the editing of it, we listened to hours and hours

749
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: of tapes that Paul had made of their readings, and

750
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: that was when this picture emerged that I felt like

751
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: we had to include in the show of like her

752
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: kind of role in all of this and just like

753
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: spinning him out on stuff that you know, buying large.

754
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: I don't think was was accurate that she was saying, yeah, yeah,

755
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: she was. She's a very interesting person because I feel

756
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: like how she was scamming him was very interesting in

757
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: the sense that she actually seemed to care about him.

758
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: I think she does care about it. Yeah, I mean

759
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,439
Speaker 1: that's yeah, like she was, you know, obviously she wasn't

760
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: happy with how she's portrayed in the last episode. I mean,

761
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: it's all just clips of her though it's not me

762
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: saying anything. It's just me putting clips together that I

763
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: think paint a picture of my opinion of of her behavior.

764
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: But she does care about Paul, and she was, you know,

765
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,439
Speaker 1: her defense his wife helped a lot of people those lives.

766
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: I think she did. Like like in the show, when

767
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: she's introduced in the third episode, Paul talks about he

768
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: contacted her at first she's a pet psychic who also

769
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: does human psychic work. But and he contacted her when

770
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: he lost the dog and she she didn't help him

771
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: find the dog, but she's like, the dog is fine,

772
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: gotten to like a young woman's car, and she's taking

773
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: care of him, and so yeah, you can look at

774
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, she provided comfort for him, and and

775
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: I think that's a lot of what she does. You know.

776
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 1: So my question was, at what point do these predictions

777
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: that become harmful or become like actually reckless and dangerous,

778
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: right right? That. I mean, it's so interesting because it

779
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: is all these real people, and I'm like fascinated because

780
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: I do at the end, like I'm fully on Paul's side,

781
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: like I want Paul to succeed. I want Paul to

782
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: be right, like I wanted all to be real at all,

783
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: to like make sense, because I just want him to

784
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: have some vindication because of everything that he goes through

785
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: in his life. Yeah, that's good. I mean, you know,

786
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: it's a very complex thing. And everyone's watching that last

787
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:07,240
Speaker 1: last episode and responding in different ways. And some people

788
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: who have decided at one point in the show that

789
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: they just hate him or can't you know, can't be

790
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 1: on his side camp empathize with that anymore for whatever reason,

791
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: stay there. And then some people see all this is

792
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: a person and he has made mistakes, and I mean

793
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: it's nice that he's grown. You see him absorbing new

794
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: information by the end, But like, I like that people

795
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: are having all different responses. That was my favorite my

796
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: favorites with like the pr person is like you kind

797
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: of seem to have like an anti sex worker agenda,

798
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: just like how you're talking. And then and then that

799
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,720
Speaker 1: one question that the Q and A when the person

800
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 1: the audience asks about like mail order brides that and

801
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: he it like stumped him. But you could see the

802
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 1: gears working in this way. It's like, Oh, he's actually

803
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: he's wrestling with this question in his mind, which is

804
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: so funny. There's like all these very interesting moments where

805
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: in a in a world where you're so seeing like

806
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: narcissistic people who will never appear wrong on camera do

807
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: whatever they can to like whatever it takes to not

808
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: appear wrong. It was just really interesting to see somebody

809
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: who was so open to hearing something new and really

810
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: sitting with that and also like processing it within his

811
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: own life. And I think the repetition of those moments,

812
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: I think it was really disarming, at least for me

813
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: to watch and like kind of opened up myself to

814
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: me like, wow, this is a really this is a

815
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: good example of how we should operate, albeit at a

816
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: very like hyperbolic extreme example of someone's like life. But

817
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 1: there was like I was learning on some level, Yeah,

818
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: that's cool, that's great. I mean, it's right, it's it's

819
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: not easy to absorb information that changes what what you

820
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 1: thought is reality for years and years, and like to

821
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: watch him do that being that room was it was

822
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: very moving. I thought, Yeah, I mean that's the key

823
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: difference between you know. But by the way, the fact

824
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 1: that he said this is the calm before the storm,

825
00:45:52,360 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: Paul probably is que. I think probably it's he has

826
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: very outdated like he has. He has outdated a lot

827
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: of views about relationships, about women, a lot of stuff

828
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: that's you know, very much not in tune with with

829
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: our daily with our our modern day world. And as

830
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: far as I know, he has not gone down that

831
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: rabbit hole. He was not a Trump supporter, like I think, yeah,

832
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: he's like he's a complex guy, and I think the

833
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: difference between him and Trump support is that like he

834
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: took in the new information and changed changed with like

835
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 1: on the spot was like, oh so I should probably

836
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: apologize with with some prompting from you. But that that

837
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: was wild to see how quickly he he changed, and

838
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: then watching the episode with like that must have been

839
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: nerve wracking. But he watched the first episode with him

840
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: and then like have a conversation. We watched the first

841
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: three actually the first half half the series with him,

842
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 1: and then I showed him some clips from the finale

843
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,040
Speaker 1: because I wanted him to really have a sense of

844
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: the show was going to be and to see how

845
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: he reacted to that. And I thought, I thought that

846
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,720
Speaker 1: response was was pretty powerful as well. And I never

847
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: really expected I didn't know how he'd respond. I didn't

848
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: know if he'd like punch me in the face or

849
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: or what. So it was really I mean, I got

850
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: weirdly emotional. I didn't expect that either, and that's the

851
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: last thing I would ever want is for myself to

852
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: be emotional on camera. But it happened. So it's like

853
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: we're trying to do something honest, so you know it's

854
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: gonna go in there. I mean, I fully like when

855
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: I was watching that scene, I left my body because

856
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: I was like, what is about to happen? But I

857
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: will say like his love for you is very apparent,

858
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: Like when he wanted you to play you like it

859
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 1: was just pushing and pushing. I was like, he just

860
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: wants to play with Jason, like that's all he wants,

861
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: Like he wants to do it with you, and you

862
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: were like I can't, I can't. I can't. But I

863
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 1: was like, it's so clear that, like, while you know,

864
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: you are showing every aspect of everything going on, like

865
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily always put Paul in the best I like,

866
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: I had a feeling like he's not gonna hate you

867
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: over this, because he actually really enjoys you, Like you

868
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: guys have this this bond that's been created is very apparent,

869
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,919
Speaker 1: like he wants to work with you. And I thought

870
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: that was Like at the end when you guys were talking,

871
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: I was like, God, it's so it's nice for this

872
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 1: not to end on like a really you know, fucked

873
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: up note. It ended very like pure and I really

874
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: enjoyed that, and I thought it was like a great

875
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: little like bo thanks. Yeah, I was hoping. I mean

876
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 1: I really was just following what was happening in reality,

877
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: and I didn't know exactly, you know, I knew what

878
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: we wanted to put in the last episode in terms

879
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: of his spinoffs, in terms of like confronting him with

880
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: the truth that we were able to find, but that

881
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: that last ten minutes, I didn't know how that was

882
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: going to go. I didn't know how he'd react to

883
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: see the show. I didn't know, Yeah, any of that stuff,

884
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: so uh, it was it was nice. And also that

885
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: kind of speech where he gives at the end that

886
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: was that was swords of the very end too, and

887
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: that that kind of re contextualizing about how this look

888
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: he failed in real life, but this want of being

889
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: this thing and making this show and giving his life meaning.

890
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: You know, whether you can read that any way you want.

891
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: You can read that with some distance and say, oh,

892
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: he's just kind of trying to reshape the story so

893
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: that he can, you know, function again, or you can say, oh,

894
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: this this actually did give his life meaning in a

895
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: way that he wasn't able to get from this pursuit

896
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 1: of justice that he was after or whatever. But no,

897
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: it all kind of came together at the very end.

898
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: I mean, both in this show and in Borat, like

899
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: there is a ability to respond quickly to like things

900
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: that are completely unforeseen or unforeseeable and like just a

901
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: faith that it's going to be like make good content,

902
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: Like how how do you think about the things like that?

903
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 1: Like that having this whole show that hinges on this

904
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: conversation that was you know, had to have been filmed,

905
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: like by its very nature had to have been filmed

906
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: long after or most of the show was created, Like yeah,

907
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,959
Speaker 1: are you like, do you just have this sort of

908
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: faith that whatever it is, it's going to be like honest,

909
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 1: or how do you think about that as as an artist?

910
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: Are you referenced and you're referencing the pandemic breaking out

911
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: during them and then the pandemic breaking out? Yeah? No,

912
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: I mean that I probably did pick up a lot

913
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: of that from working with Sasha, Like it's just this,

914
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 1: it's just this attitude you have to be open to

915
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,760
Speaker 1: pivot when new information presents itself. And like that movie

916
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: we were, you know, they had a great outline for

917
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: that movie. We were constantly rewriting, had to kind of

918
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: changing everything constantly, constantly, constantly, And it's just I think

919
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: it's this element of risk that can make a thing

920
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: feel accurately alive and like maybe things could have gone

921
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,399
Speaker 1: wrong maybe. Yeah. Boro, we were like shooting with those

922
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: guys that you live with, Jim and Jerry, and we

923
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: knew we wanted to go to this gun rally the

924
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: next day. I mean, all that stuff you only had

925
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: one shot at. It could have been a disaster, it

926
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: could have fallen apart. And then the two days later

927
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: we were shooting with Rudy Giuliani, and if we if

928
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: nothing interesting happened, there would have been like, well, we

929
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 1: don't have an ending of the whole movie now. But

930
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: I've been very lucky on these kind of high wire

931
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,919
Speaker 1: acts the last couple of years that it's worked out.

932
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: But I don't you know, it doesn't always work out.

933
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: But but if you get a good group of people

934
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 1: working with you, and I had a really great team

935
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: on this who you know, producers who were I never

936
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: knew how much money we were spending, and I would

937
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 1: just be like, Okay, we gotta go do that, we

938
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: gotta go back to Florida, Okay, let's go find this guy,

939
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 1: and would just figure out how to make this stuff happen.

940
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: And then editors on this were incredible of like, okay,

941
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: we have hundreds of hours of footage, how do we

942
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 1: look at this and put it together in a way

943
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: that makes sense as a story. But it was this

944
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: whole just like energy. If you just get everyone on board,

945
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: it's like, one way or another, we're gonna figure this out.

946
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: And look and if it all of fall apart, if

947
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: Paul was like he watched the episode and he was

948
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: just like you screwed me, You ruined my life. I

949
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: would have had to deal with that. I would have

950
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: had to put that him. You know, like a lot

951
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: of it is like instincts. It's just like being in

952
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: touch with your instincts and following like a hunch of

953
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: like I feel like this is the direction to go,

954
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: and I feel like this is gonna work or get

955
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: us something interesting, and then it's luck. Really but I

956
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: was lucky on the on this one for sure. Yeah. Absolutely,

957
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: What was what was like the hardest thing, like, like

958
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: I guess emotionally for you in making this because like

959
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: like you said, you're watching him and his life unfold

960
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: while also kind of, you know, navigating your own responsibility

961
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: to him and obviously responsibility to yourself as a creator.

962
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 1: Like was there like were there ever any moments where

963
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: you're kind of at odds with that or you always

964
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: kind of you kind of always had this vision and

965
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: felt like it was going to just kind of move

966
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: in the same way. I mean, yeah, there was always

967
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 1: a conflict, and you seen in the show on like

968
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: they're these scenes that you know, I would read them

969
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: years ago, like scenes that he wrote and think they

970
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: were very interesting or funny or weird and worth shooting,

971
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: and then we'd be on set where he's like telling

972
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: an actress to like do something you know, did see

973
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: or whatever and ever like, yeah, that stuff was hard,

974
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: but I knew That's why I was like, well, this

975
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: will be an uncomfortable, interesting scene to shoot, So I

976
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 1: knew that going in, but still doing it was like

977
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: really hard to get through. But then it was you know,

978
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: the hardest thing was probably that four hours of sitting

979
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 1: in his kitchen at the end, which makes up about

980
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: like a third of the last episode, where I'm just

981
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: showing him stuff and you see he keeps closing a laptop,

982
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 1: he keeps like it's hard, he's denying it, and I'm

983
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: having to present him with stuff like the letter you know,

984
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: to her parents or you know, things that I was like,

985
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: all right, this is not gonna be easier. We're gonna

986
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: talk about we're gonna talk through everything, and we're gonna

987
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: you know, cover our basis. And I tried to tell him, look,

988
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: this is to protect you, Like, if this becomes a

989
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: thing that people watch, I can't hide stuff that you

990
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: did because every there's reddit, everything will come out like

991
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: and so like I can't like for my sake, hide

992
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: things that I know to have happened to protect you,

993
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: because that will make me look worse and you look worse.

994
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: Like we have to do this responsibly and honestly, we

995
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: have to cover all sides of this, like in the

996
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 1: time that we have. But yeah, that was you know,

997
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 1: that stuff wasn't easy because we have a weird relationship.

998
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: It's not just like a documentary filmmaker and sub I

999
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: would be doing this for ten years and it is

1000
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: like a very unique kind of friendship. But at the

1001
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: same time, I knew my responsibility was to the truth

1002
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: and reality, and so you know, I knew part of

1003
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: that would involve putting him in uncomfortable moments. Yeah, yeah,

1004
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 1: And how did you sort of approach interacting with him

1005
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: because there were moments where you can tell where you're

1006
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: a little kind of like oh boy, and like, so

1007
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: how did you sort of like keep your composure and

1008
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: like continue to work with him and not get sort

1009
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,879
Speaker 1: of burnt out from his energy? Really, I think I'm

1010
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: just I mean, he is very likable in real life.

1011
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: Everyone else set loved him. He's very I mean, he's

1012
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: like he's exactly as he comes across, but he's just

1013
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:43,919
Speaker 1: like this kind of like upbeat, very likable, goofball And

1014
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, I have a weird knack for um,

1015
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: I'm pretty good with people who have like kind of

1016
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: extreme personalities. And I don't know where it comes from.

1017
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: But but if you look like the history of people

1018
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: I've I've gravitated towards working with generally are are are

1019
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: out there or in some way in some way or

1020
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: just very forceful or driven or I think I just

1021
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: I have a good vibe with people who are these

1022
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 1: very big presences, and I'm very kind of attuned to

1023
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: working with with people like that. So yeah, no, I

1024
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: never I mean, yeah, it's you know, like it's in

1025
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: the show. It's like I there's a montage at the

1026
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: end of the fifth episode where you see like, yeah,

1027
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 1: times I'm like exasperate and exhausted, but then other times

1028
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: we're laughing together and it's it's like a family member

1029
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: or something. It's just like, yeah, this person we drive

1030
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: each other crazy sometimes, but I think we also do

1031
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 1: like each other. And you know, you just you navigate that.

1032
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 1: Do you think people can take things from your that

1033
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: final you know, conversation that happens in his kitchen for

1034
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: when they are trying to deprogram their Fox News brand.

1035
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: Parents like have be like its gonna come out, guys,

1036
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: Well that's it. Like the camera, the camera provides such

1037
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 1: a imbalance of power, and I tried to like do

1038
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: that in the kitchen scene. You could like the way

1039
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: I framed them behind the scenes shot. You see I'm

1040
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: still hiding behind the camera, and it's like, what I

1041
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: hold all the camera all the power in that situation

1042
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 1: where it's like you're on camera, you're under the gun.

1043
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you stuff. You can lie right now

1044
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: if you want. But I had all the power in

1045
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: that situation. It's like, yeah, people can't do that with

1046
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: their parents. That's why these conversations are so impossible and

1047
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: hard is because in an actual conversation, there is there

1048
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: isn't that in balance. There isn't one person who's like

1049
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: I'm the I'm the questionnaire and you and you have

1050
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: to be responsible for what you say and a lot

1051
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 1: of people are gonna see to see you better be

1052
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: you better be careful. You know, That's why you it's

1053
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 1: so hard to get with, to make progress with someone

1054
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: in real life, a loved one who's who's dug into

1055
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: this stuff because all of our instincts are just to

1056
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 1: dig further in and become defensive. And uh, it's extremely

1057
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: I have, you know, issues like that in my own family.

1058
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: I think everyone does, and it's like, yeah, you you cat.

1059
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: You can have people you love of who who are

1060
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Speaker 1: on a path. And you know, there's so much on

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Speaker 1: social media or YouTube algorithms. I'll watch one, you know,

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00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: Jordan Peterson video because someone sends it to me to

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Speaker 1: like laugh at him, and then all my suggestions are

1064
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: just Ben Shapiro and like, you know, all this ship

1065
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, I see how people if you're

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00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: not looking at that critically, you just zoom down that

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00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: rabbit hole. And then suddenly it feels like, oh, the

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00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 1: whole world is telling me that they're out to get me.

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Speaker 1: And then you have what we're talking about before that,

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Speaker 1: like Fox News, you know, nonsense kind of manufactured outrage

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00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,439
Speaker 1: against all this stuff that it's very hard to pull

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Speaker 1: people out of the force of the force of the

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00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: internet is is extremely powerful. So I don't know, I

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Speaker 1: think what I think. Actually, I was lucky with Paul

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00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: because he's not an inherently angry person. He's not spending

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Speaker 1: all day on YouTube and on social media, just getting

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00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: indoctrinated and reindoctrinated with this stuff. He's just kind of

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00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: his only concerned with his own story. That's that's what's

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00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: unique about him is he's not someone like most people

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00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: fixated on where the world is going. He's just concerned

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00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 1: about kind of being vindicated in his own life and

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00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: feeling like he has value and worth. And that's I think,

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00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: in large part, what what this whole quest was about.

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Speaker 1: And so I don't think he's sitting there watching this

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00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: kind of stuff that just you know, sucks you into

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00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: this world of anger and resentment and uh, you know

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00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: this victimized feeling. I will say, I do think no, no, no,

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00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: I never gave me that energy. Yeah. Like he's always

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00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: very like into his own situation where he was being intimate.

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00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: It was funny, he was like, yeah, this this is

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00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:40,959
Speaker 1: weird for everyone. I love his commentary on everything was great.

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00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: And also like, I feel like he can run an

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00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: incredible marketing agency because the way he marked himself. His

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00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: Google docs filled with tweets like I was like, this

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00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 1: is actually he has something here, he built something here,

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00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: he could be I was depressed. I was like, oh,

1097
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: I should have Google docs tweet when I'm promoting stuff.

1098
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: Like I was like, this is actually quite genius and

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00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: he knows how to rework the system. Was like, can't

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Speaker 1: you even misspell a few things then they don't think

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00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: you're you know, Like I was like, Wow, he's actually

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Speaker 1: good because he got you to make this show, Jason,

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00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: Like I was like, you can't hate Paul because he

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00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: actually knows what he's doing and he could really, I

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00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: don't know, build from here, because I was quite impressed. Yeah,

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00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: I mean at the end of this, get this made

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00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: through force of will, Like he just pushed and pushed

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00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: forever and got it made. He did, I think, eventually

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00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 1: get kicked off of Twitter and had to reactivate his

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Speaker 1: account because if you see in the show, he has

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00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: like a hundred and something thousand followers. Now he's got

1112
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: like eight hundred followers because actually, someone I read there

1113
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: was like some sweep that you Twitter did in like

1114
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 1: Steen where they wiped out accounts that we're doing just

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00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: what Paul was doing, which he was basically like being

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00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: a human bot essentially, and so that got that account

1117
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 1: got knocked out because people see his Twitter now and

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00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: wonder why he's got so many fewer followers. I think

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00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 1: that's what happened. Yeah. I also was kind of like,

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Speaker 1: is he buying followers? How is this moving so quickly?

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Speaker 1: How he was following? He was definitely, I mean, I

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01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 1: do think he was following a thousand people a day,

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Speaker 1: but I think he was buying followers as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because it was like a hundred something thousand and he wasn't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, but that was smart because I met him

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Speaker 1: when when he first create me and I looked at

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01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: the Twitter, I said a hundred like, oh, maybe this

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01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: guy does have a movement behind him. Maybe this is

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01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: the thing I don't know about. It worked until I

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01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: met him. Until I met him and he was so

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01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 1: honest about his press, and I was like, oh no,

1132
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 1: this is all a facade in the interest of getting

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Speaker 1: this thing made. Well, I feel like we could talk

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01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 1: talk to you about this for hours. Quest is a

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01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: good word for it. It's really it's a quest. Yeah,

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01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: it goes beyond TV show. It's really just like a yeah,

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Speaker 1: a quest. Yeah, great, great piece of art. So yeah,

1138
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: everyone needs to go watch Paul T. Goldman on Peacock.

1139
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: All six episodes are out, now go stop this for

1140
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 1: right now. But also and also if you have MAGA parents,

1141
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: maybe try what Jason did. Just put him in front

1142
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: of a cam quarter and see if that helps the questions.

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01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 1: Do all the research ahead of time, all all the

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01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: all their key like points that they like it. You know,

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01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 1: it's easier. I say, it's easier when you have like

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01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 1: a video of like a really nice guy explaining everything

1147
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: he was doing it as missionary orice rock. Oh come

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01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 1: on now, but yeah, thank you so much for for

1149
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 1: doing it. Jason. Where can people find you? Follow you?

1150
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 1: I guess we already told him where they can watch?

1151
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: Ye just go on Peak. I can watch it. I

1152
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: mean I'm on Twitter to temporarily just to promote the

1153
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 1: show because there wasn't much of a marketing campaign. But yeah,

1154
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 1: I don't really post online. I just learn right, make

1155
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: cool T shirts sometimes, Yeah, we will take three T shirts.

1156
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 1: Govs sure you don't want the fastest you can slam

1157
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: the mana shirts. Paul Pault Goldman dot com. He's running

1158
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 1: a red bubble store. It's on eighties, seven different products.

1159
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,479
Speaker 1: You can get a nice you can get a queen

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01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: size comforter. With that, all your pult Goldman needs Paul

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Speaker 1: Goldman dot com. Okay, he's on, he's on. He's on

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01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: cameo as well. If you've got a message for a

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01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 1: loved one, that's a great cameo. Actually, he would be

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01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 1: an amazing Yeah, he's got five five stars right now

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01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 1: and he says you get the other day he said

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01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: he's done the eighteen of them, and uh, I watched

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01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: one of them. He was like a guy wishing happy

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01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: birthday to his wife and he was like, thank you

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01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 1: for not stealing my assets. Hes good stuff. You know

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01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 1: he's going to give it us all, all right, amazing,

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01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: thank you Jason. Thanks guys. Wait, okay, you can get

1172
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 1: a slam the man as fast as you can shower

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01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 1: curtain and scarf. It's like I am just all written

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01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 1: out on one line. Yeah, like mouse pads. Hey, guess

1175
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 1: what you guys, this is what you're all getting for Christmas? Alright,

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01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 1: we love. We had to cut Jason loose. Uh he

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Speaker 1: had to run. But what what an asshole? Right? I

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01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: think we can all agree he scammed us. Yeah. I

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01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 1: mean actually, after all that, now I'm sort of thinking

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01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 1: Paul scam Jason. Yeah. But tremendous booking from super Producer

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01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 1: that was so fun. Yeah? Yeah, Anna, Where can people

1182
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 1: find you? Follow you? And is there a work of

1183
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 1: media social or otherwise that you've been enjoying? Ah? Yeah,

1184
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:51,479
Speaker 1: you can follow me at Anna host n A on

1185
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 1: Twitter and then at Selling host n on Instagram. I

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01:03:56,720 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 1: have a substack if you'd like to subscribe dot substance

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01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 1: dot com. So can I do some promotion of live

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01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 1: shows I am doing? I am doing two live shows

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Speaker 1: this weekend at s F Sketch Fest. I'll be in

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Speaker 1: San Francisco. I will be doing Matt Leeb and Vince

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01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 1: Mancini's podcast Pod Yourself a Gun on Saturday at one

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Speaker 1: January at ten pm at Piano Fight in San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: Get your tickets now go just go to s F

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Speaker 1: Sketch Fest website type Pod Yourself a Gun you can

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Speaker 1: find it. And then on Sunday, January twenty nine at

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Speaker 1: four pm at the Gateway Theater, we are doing it live.

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Speaker 1: Will you accept this Rose podcast with Arden Marine, Doug

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Speaker 1: Benson's gonna be on it, Paget Brewster, Mike Carosa, Oh, Marylynn,

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Speaker 1: Rice cub is gonna be on it, and Michael Hitchcock.

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Speaker 1: If you guys a Michael at Hitchcock hilarious act if

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Speaker 1: you I'm sure you guys know who guys if you

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Speaker 1: saw him, But yeah, you can get tickets for that

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Speaker 1: still available. So yeah, come see us at SF sketch

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Speaker 1: Us would be so fun to see you guys, to

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Speaker 1: see you guys, see us guys and see have us

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Speaker 1: see you seeing us seeing you, and so that would

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Speaker 1: be like really great. And a what is it called

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Speaker 1: tweet or something that I've been joining the media meet? Okay,

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01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: here we go. All right, here's something I thought was

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Speaker 1: funny from Nick Newman at Nick Underscore Newman. Lydia Tar

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01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 1: belittled a pan gender BIPOC student. She groomed young women,

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01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 1: one of them committed suicide this morning. She got multiple

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Speaker 1: Oscar nominations. Please tell me again how cancel culture is real?

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Speaker 1: Which I was like, Jesus, have you guys seen Tar?

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, oh my gosh, it's true, like everyone

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Speaker 1: praises Lydia Tar. Yeah, I'm just her behavior is deplorable,

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Speaker 1: out of control, out of pocket even that was the

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Speaker 1: thing I saw someone on Twitter being like, what is

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Speaker 1: out of pocket mean to you? Okay, that's really funny

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Speaker 1: because I got an email where someone was telling me

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Speaker 1: they were unavailable of unavailable, and they said they were

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Speaker 1: out of pocket, and I spent like twenty minutes being

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Speaker 1: like what yeah, yea. So those are two different, distinct,

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Speaker 1: unrelated meanings. Out of pocket being like I'm out of

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Speaker 1: them that I work in. I guess essentially I always

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Speaker 1: thought it meant like I'm working what I'm working out

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Speaker 1: off my phone, like out of my pocket, But I

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01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 1: think it just means I'm not in, I'm not at

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Speaker 1: I won't be at work, but there. Yeah, then there's

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Speaker 1: also obviously you know, what are your out of pocket expenses? Look,

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Speaker 1: it's a very pliable phrase, you know, that's right, Miles.

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Speaker 1: Where can people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying? Well,

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Speaker 1: you can find me in the pocket because I'm all

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01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 1: about the rhythm section on basse and drums at Miles

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Speaker 1: of Gray on Twitter and Instagram. And also I have

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Speaker 1: a TikTok, but I haven't made anything something. I mean

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01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 1: shout out to people follow me there, but I probably

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01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 1: won't post anything quite yet until I get all my

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Speaker 1: wigs and stuff in order. Um let's see, you can

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Speaker 1: all will find Jack and on our Podcastles and Jackot,

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Speaker 1: Matt Boost you's got a new episode. Uh, and also

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01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 1: for fiance some tweets that are like just this one.

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01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 1: It's from at Mica Micah Underscore Earth and created fun fact.

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Speaker 1: The divorce rate is the lowest it's been in forty years,

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Speaker 1: And when you look at it on a chart, you're like, oh, ship,

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01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 1: look at look at America doing its thing, just having

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Speaker 1: a lower thing. And then people will be saying like,

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Speaker 1: is it because people aren't getting married as much? And

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Speaker 1: this person saying that it's not taking into account the

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Speaker 1: marriage rate. It's independent of that. It's just this is

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Speaker 1: this is where we're at. Probably because enough of us

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Speaker 1: have seen some weird ass marriages that we're starting to

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Speaker 1: make better decisions. But that's just mine. That's so divorce

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Speaker 1: is down. Yeah, I think it's because, well, we all

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Speaker 1: just went to the pandemic. We don't want to be alone,

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Speaker 1: so you're just like sort of settling. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: maybe it's a dark side to everything it's been. Well,

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Speaker 1: here's the thing. It's been on a downward trend since

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Speaker 1: even before the O eight recession. Yeah, not enough people's

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01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 1: wives are meeting Frank Hello, you know, Paul Goldman reference.

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Speaker 1: Go watch the goddamn show because it's and I would

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01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 1: love him too if I met Frank Grilla. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore. Brian

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Speaker 1: and I've enjoyed a couple tweets. Someone at Future Cannon

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01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:24,799
Speaker 1: tweeted exactly one year ago and that was on January,

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Speaker 1: and they tweeted Harris Hilton's appearance on the Jimmy Fallon

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Speaker 1: go down in history, and I'm glad that we're recognizing

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Speaker 1: it's one year anniversary. And then Sandra Bolo three days

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Speaker 1: ago tweeted, I got so scared filming Gravity. I thought

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Speaker 1: that was a cool, cool sentiment. Let's get my father

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Speaker 1: in law hates that movie. And then Tessa at Tessa

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Speaker 1: Pisa tweeted prepping my dad to meet my non barinary

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Speaker 1: friend and I cannot breathe it his response, and it's

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Speaker 1: just this text exchange. Also, don't forget Naomi is not

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Speaker 1: a girl. There nine non binary, and if it's easier,

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Speaker 1: they would probably prefer you accidentally call them a boy

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Speaker 1: than a girl. L O L. And then The dad's

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Speaker 1: response was, Okay, can I just call them? Hey buddy? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: some real bad ship. Can I Can I just call them?

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Speaker 1: Hey buddy? I can I just tell you? I had

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Speaker 1: to tell my I had a not I have a

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Speaker 1: non binary friend, and I told my dad. They Then

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Speaker 1: my dad goes, okay them, and I'm like, well, okay,

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Speaker 1: just just call them literally them. I am saying them,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, you can say they as well. And

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Speaker 1: he kept saying them and I was like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: you are just why is that mad at me? Well? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he could figure it out. And I was like, I

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Speaker 1: know you're trying. But the parents, dude, that's like the

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Speaker 1: final frontier for both is the pronouns thing. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: know they try even if they're like them. Trust. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there are people in my family. I'm not gonna I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's I've seen people my family struggle, like in a

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Speaker 1: in a good faith way to be like I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I'm in them. I'm sorry, it's

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Speaker 1: I'm really trying, and I'm like, you're getting panicked in

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Speaker 1: the weirdest way about it, and they just walk off,

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Speaker 1: off to the information that we talked about in today's episode,

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