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Speaker 1: This is David Pen, your host, Glad to be with

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Speaker 1: Why don't you tell us tell me that story. How

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Speaker 2: And the overwhelming sense of fear that is like a

432
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Speaker 2: blanket that is cast over the entire culture and over

433
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 2: everyday life literally is tangible, it's very real. And the

434
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 2: fact that people would disappear. Everyone knew people were disappearing,

435
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 2: who would tend to voice theirs, you know, criticism of

436
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 2: the of the regime and so, and I'm growing up

437
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 2: as a teenager, I'm like, I'm not going to live

438
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,959
Speaker 2: like this. I just made a vow to myself. I'm

439
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 2: going to ask questions. I'm going to keep asking questions.

440
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 2: And I mean, if I die, if they shoot me

441
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 2: or disappear me, that's fine. I want to know the truth.

442
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 2: So I started asking questions. I started, you know, reading

443
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 2: in the library. I found some books by Blessed Biscal

444
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 2: who was a French philosopher, and he wrote about God

445
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 2: in a very like it was a real thing. So

446
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 2: now as a scientist and a philosopher who's writing about

447
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 2: God in a very real way, that was my first

448
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 2: interaction with Christian you know, thinking right. And so this

449
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 2: impacted me deeply, and I went to the Orthodox Church

450
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 2: and I baptized myself. I mean myself. I asked to

451
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,959
Speaker 2: be baptized when I was a teenager because I just

452
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 2: had a really you know, deep pursuit of wanting even

453
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 2: know the truth. Why are we here and I'm looking

454
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 2: at the stars and who made this who made ald us?

455
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 2: You know, I have these questions, and they do not

456
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 2: want you asking these questions. The school doesn't want to

457
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 2: ask you these questions. Everybody's just like, you know, we

458
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 2: came from the Apes. Evolutionists pushed really hard in communist countries, right,

459
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 2: and so during all these years, basically to have any

460
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 2: kind of interest, whether it was American rock music or

461
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 2: the Bible, it was equally threatening to the regime.

462
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 1: Right.

463
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 2: I had interest in both, right, both American culture. American

464
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 2: culture was a form of dissidency, like you were against

465
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: the communist regime if.

466
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Speaker 1: You were blue jeans.

467
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, blue jeans, long hair, all of that. So

468
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 2: so that was a big thing. But at a deeper level,

469
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 2: you know, I just had this like internal dissatisfaction with

470
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 2: like seeing my parents go to work every day, trying

471
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,719
Speaker 2: to be quiet, trying to survive, trying to take care

472
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 2: of their kids and me and my brother, and so

473
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm not going to live like this.

474
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 2: I just decided they want to disappear me, that's fine,

475
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 2: but I'm going to keep asking questions. And that's what

476
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 2: led me to the faith. Really, I connected with an

477
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 2: underground Pentecostal church at the time underground. Yeah, they were

478
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 2: not legal. So they told me, I want to.

479
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: Say Pentecostal, Yeah, everybody knows what that is.

480
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a branch of a branch of Christianity that

481
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 2: believes in the charismatic expression of the Holy Spirit and

482
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: all that supernatural healings and things like this. But to me,

483
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 2: what was more important is that they were not official.

484
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 2: And I thought, if they are not official, that means

485
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 2: that they got to you know, if there's a good

486
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: this is good because everything official is corrupt and you know,

487
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: I can't trust it, and even the Orthodox Church, you know,

488
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 2: I remember my interactions with the priests. I realized how

489
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 2: hollow they were, Like I'm I'm searching for truth, but

490
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 2: they were just totally avoid of substance.

491
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: Right.

492
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 2: There was no there's no nothing there to to bring

493
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Speaker 2: me to the to the faith.

494
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: Right.

495
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: So I started going to this uh, disallowed church or

496
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 2: illegal church, and that's how I came to know the Lord.

497
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: And then I began to preach on the street. After

498
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 2: the regime collapsed and there was freedom, you can go

499
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: out on the steyear was that for both That was

500
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Speaker 2: eighty nine. This was shortly at eighty nine shortly after

501
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 2: church Ascar got shot and around that same period of time,

502
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 2: and uh, basically was chaos after that, you know, the

503
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,239
Speaker 2: best way to describe it was just control chaos, you know,

504
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 2: because the structures just disintegrated. And that gave me an

505
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: opportunity to go out and start sharing my convictions and

506
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 2: so talking about street preaching. I started preaching all over

507
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: the city. I opened up my apartment and mostly young

508
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 2: people started just coming to the Lord asking questions. And

509
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 2: that's how my my church was founded. I found I

510
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: became a founder a church. Actually we grew very fast

511
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 2: from zero in nineteen ninety to over thousand people in

512
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 2: like three and a half years. And so it was

513
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: just incredible spiritual hunger during that time, and whoever had

514
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 2: the goods and offered it, Like if you were actually

515
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: on the street corner preaching. I've had over two hundred

516
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 2: people just stand there and listen for like an hour

517
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 2: and a half and I'm like, okay, we're done. They're

518
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 2: like no, we want more. I mean this was happening

519
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 2: all the time during like a period of like maybe

520
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 2: a couple of years, right, and so I sensed like

521
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 2: this is the time to do it, and so That's

522
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Speaker 2: what I did. I was I graduated a clinical lab school,

523
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 2: so I was working a job and I was going

524
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Speaker 2: and preaching on the street.

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Speaker 1: Book we bookmarked that one spot. I want to just say, yeah, absolutely, Okay,

526
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Speaker 1: So politically, here's something politically everybody can think about doing,

527
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Speaker 1: because on this podcast, yeah, we're about political activism and

528
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: getting people involved in American politics. So I want to

529
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: just comment on, and I know you're going to agree

530
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: with me. People underestimate who the communists are in our

531
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: American culture and what they will do if they get

532
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: control of the political levers of power. They will kill

533
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: their opponents. Because it's been the same. You know, it

534
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: won't happen here. You know, that's been said in a

535
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: lot of countries. And every time the communists get control,

536
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: they basically ethnically clanse those they cannot convert. It's a

537
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: converter guy.

538
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 2: Violence was advocated by cal Marks at the very inception

539
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 2: of his whole movement in ideology. As you know, he

540
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 2: was a newspaper publisher and they shut him down because

541
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 2: of his radical ideas, and he vowed to execute vengeance

542
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 2: on his enemies. Violence he was, as you know, you know,

543
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,959
Speaker 2: Marx was born in a Lutheran family, even though Jewish

544
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 2: by descent.

545
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: His father was a wealthy.

546
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Speaker 2: Lawyer, and in his youth he was writing poems to Christ.

547
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 2: You mean Marx was a Lutheran kid writing poems to Christ,

548
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 2: this historic fact.

549
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: Right.

550
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 2: Then he goes to university and a couple of years

551
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 2: later he starts to write poems to Lucifer. So you

552
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 2: tell me what converted him. It wasn't Judaism, it wasn't

553
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,239
Speaker 2: his Jewish faith. It was the liberal secular ideas that

554
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 2: were pushed at his time. And he becomes a Lucifer

555
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 2: poem writing, you know, anarchist, basically incredibly chaotic person, and

556
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 2: you know his life it's just really interesting to read.

557
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 2: But violence was an integral part of his entire philosophy.

558
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 2: And even Hayak, for example, Fedrick Hayak in his book

559
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 2: The Wrote to Serve Them, he writes about how, you know,

560
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 2: Marx was predicting that communism will take off in Britain,

561
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: for example, and then they came to him and they said, well, no,

562
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: the workers are happy there, their wages are growing, and

563
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: you know, nobody wants to go to war with the capitalists,

564
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: you know, And he said, oh, they'll have to, they'll

565
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 2: have to you. Doesn't matter what's happening on the facts,

566
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 2: didn't matter. What matter was this dialectic ideology. Destroy everything

567
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 2: so we can rebuild a utopia. And that basically is

568
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 2: what globalists today. They they spin and they push to

569
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 2: young people, what's what we have now is bad, So

570
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 2: let's destroy it. Let's let's destroy the historical monuments, let's

571
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 2: destroy the past, let's demonize the past. And now we're

572
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: gonna rebuild a really nice utopia for you.

573
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: And that's such an interesting challenge.

574
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: And if you oppose it, if you oppose are utopia,

575
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 2: we're gonna kill you.

576
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: Basically, Janner, if you have any comments, you can come

577
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: in any time. But let me let me just say

578
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: good morning, Tanner. Let me just let me do don't forget.

579
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: Tanner had an important question from We're gonna get to

580
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 2: that that I need to answer.

581
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to it. The the the diagnosis of

582
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: far right populism and far left populism, which is basically Marxism,

583
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: it's the same. The system is corrupt and pervert. But

584
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: what we seek to do on the right is restore, strengthened,

585
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: to rebuild what was the best of the roots of

586
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: the culture. We're not anarchists, We're not looking to totally

587
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: destroy We're looking to strengthen what we believe is being destroyed,

588
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: where the Left is just completely nihilistic in their approach

589
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: to this problem. And you know, this is critical for

590
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: us to understand as Americans who are born here and

591
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: because my family was savaged by the Soviets. Savaged, I

592
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: mean if you lived in the Ukraine, yeah, Ukrainian Nazis

593
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: killing you, and you had Russians killing yes, So I

594
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: mean I had it as a story, you had it

595
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: as life. Both of us understand that if these people

596
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: get control, yes they're not kidding around, We're kidding around.

597
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: And all we have to do here is be politically

598
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: involved to stop them. We still have a republican democracy,

599
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: a democratic republic where we can be politically active. And

600
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: to the point I wanted to make when I said

601
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: Bookmark that you're talking about street preaching. So what we

602
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: do here in Minnesota is we go to the sports events.

603
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: We go groups of Republicans and I don't mean like

604
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: the Republican Party, because they don't have the time to

605
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: go out where it's dangerous I'm talking about people that

606
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: believe in the philosophy republicanism. We go to the Twins Games,

607
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: we go to the Vikings Game, we stand there in

608
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: testimony that it's okay to be a Republican. And then

609
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: it's interesting, there's one Christian guy that's they're not preaching Republicanism.

610
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: He's preaching pure Christianity. And you talked about two hundred people,

611
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: well coming in from what people walk by him like

612
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: he is insane. Yeah, and that is how secularized our

613
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: culture has become.

614
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 2: Well, it would be very similar to today and now

615
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 2: if I went on the streets of the same exact city,

616
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 2: and that would be the same. Like, materialism is also

617
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 2: utopianism to some degree, right, And the utopia is that

618
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 2: if you get all these trinkets and you know, achieved

619
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: material success, that that affirms you as a successful individual,

620
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 2: so forth and so on. They don't tell you what

621
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 2: you need to sacrifice, you know, to get there. You know,

622
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 2: maybe get there, maybe not, But they don't tell you

623
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,919
Speaker 2: what you need to sacrifice. Sacrifice baby, sacrifice your life,

624
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 2: sacrifice this and that. So every utopia has a price

625
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 2: you pay, right, And in the mind of a globalist

626
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 2: or socialist, it's okay to pay that price. We're gonna

627
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 2: have to kill a million people so we can keep

628
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 2: twenty million in subjection, no problem, because the utopia is there, right,

629
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 2: as long as the utopia as well, right, And they're

630
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 2: ready to kill in the name of that utopia. And

631
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 2: they've been doing it since the seventh century. So every

632
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 2: utopia that transforms itself from a faith or a philosophy

633
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 2: into an actual ideology that seeks power, stay away is dangerous.

634
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 2: Because this is what I say, communist, like I was

635
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,919
Speaker 2: telling it before we start recording that after eighty nine,

636
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 2: the different socialist or communist countries had different development and

637
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 2: like the Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, they accepted laws that

638
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 2: said basically, if you're involved, if you're a member of

639
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: the Communist Party, you cannot have political power at all

640
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 2: ever again, so they cut the connection between power because

641
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 2: there's no such thing as former communists, right, I mean

642
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: maybe something, yeah, it kind of.

643
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: We actually have laws that banned the Communist Party and communism. Right.

644
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 2: It's it's like an alcoholic, once alcoholic, always alcoholic.

645
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: And that's what I say.

646
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Speaker 2: These people that impose on utopia at gunpoint, you know,

647
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 2: when they lose power, don't don't let them have it.

648
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: They can never reform.

649
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 2: Right, normal people like you and I who actually want

650
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 2: to live their lives and don't really care about politics.

651
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 2: We're forced to do this because we're seeing the republic

652
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: falling apart.

653
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: Right.

654
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 2: But normal people have other concerns. They got to take

655
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 2: care of life. They gotta do this and that. But ideologues,

656
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 2: the ideologues and the utopians, man, that's their job. That's

657
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 2: why they they're fixated on. Get the power and impose

658
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: and and then that's it. That's the basic conflict of

659
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,720
Speaker 2: globalism and what you call called communism. Uh, it's driven

660
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 2: by this, you know, militant lobby that seeks to impose

661
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 2: their own version of utopia, be it transgenderism, is an

662
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 2: utopia or dei or whatever it is. They fixate on that,

663
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 2: and that's how they recruit young minds, unsuspecting minds, you know,

664
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 2: and they get them all or the you hatred, that's

665
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 2: the same thing. It's the same poison. Or drink that poison.

666
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 2: And we'll explaining to you the world to the prism

667
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: of Jew hatred. Well, blame it all in the Jews.

668
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 2: Does that make sense now to you? Oh sure, right,

669
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 2: and so this kid who doesn't know much then he's

670
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 2: just like, okay, that makes sense. You know they're responsible

671
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: for everything. That's the that's the utopian and well, well

672
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 2: let's let's let's let's dwell on that.

673
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: Because you made the comment that what brought us together

674
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 1: for this podcast was the question mister Tanner asked, yes

675
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: on the last podcast, do you remember your question? Yes,

676
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 1: why don't you restate it? Let's let's talk about it. Okay.

677
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 3: My question was I didn't understand why the Christians wanted

678
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 3: to help the Jews if the Jews historically had killed Christ.

679
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,439
Speaker 2: Right, excellent question, and I that's what brought me to David.

680
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 2: I was like, David Tanner had a question you used

681
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 2: to be answered adequately, please so we can go on

682
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 2: for like a long time, but essentially to keep it

683
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 2: at a high level and kind of frame it correctly.

684
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 2: A question like that reveals really a lack of understanding

685
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 2: of the basic framework of Biblical redemption.

686
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: And what it is.

687
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 2: It omits completely. So when someone pinpoints that and kind

688
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 2: of puts you makes you obsessed and focus on on

689
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: like this one fact what they're missing big time is

690
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 2: the fact that the biblical narrative and worldview post it

691
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 2: to that mankind fell and you know, rebelled against God,

692
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 2: and and so you have this redemptive story. You have

693
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 2: the Covenant with Abraham. From Abraham comes Israel, the nation

694
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 2: of Israel, the people of Israel, and Jesus was one

695
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 2: of them. He was a Jewish man who grew up

696
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 2: as a Toro observant Jew and so Rabbi exactly the

697
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 2: twelve so called Disciples were based on Jewish Talm Dim.

698
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 2: There were students of of of the rabbi, right, But

699
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 2: here's the biggest kicker.

700
00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: You got a Hebrew word there. It's exactly. So the the.

701
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 2: Thing that excuse me that they're missing is that, for example,

702
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 2: and I get the scriptures because it's important to get

703
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 2: this rights one Peter won eighteen to nineteen. The apostle

704
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:16,720
Speaker 2: Peter says, you're ransom from the futile whale ways inherited

705
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 2: from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as gold

706
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 2: or silver, but with the precious blood of Christ, like

707
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 2: that of a lamb, without blemish of spot He was

708
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 2: foreknown before the foundation of the world, but was made

709
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 2: manifest in the last times for the sake of you.

710
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: So this whole concept of God, before he even created

711
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 2: the worlds, he saw the potential scenario of the fall

712
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 2: and the potentially price he had to pay and send

713
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 2: his son, and he did it anyway. So in other words,

714
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 2: the for knowledge of Christ, crucifixion or death, sacrificial death

715
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 2: was built into the entire creation act. So therefore it's

716
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 2: very much within God's own will that he he said,

717
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm going to create this world and

718
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: they will fall, and in order for me to redeem them,

719
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 2: I'll have to go and pay the price, but I'll

720
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 2: do it right. And so the so called killing of

721
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: Christ becomes a mute point because it was preordained, it

722
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 2: was planned, It was actually an act of love. It

723
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 2: was an act of love from God to his creation

724
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 2: that he would even go and pay that price. So,

725
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 2: you know, the killing of Christ, even the term itself

726
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 2: literally brings you into this context of vengeance.

727
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: It's like, what who who are the sides here? Who's killing?

728
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: Who's who? Is revenge just obscuring the redemptive act completely? Now,

729
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: so you get you understand what work? Do you get that?

730
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that doesn't make a lot of sense, and it's

731
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 2: not the only scripture of this, So sometimes it's very

732
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: dangerous to create a doctrine or a teaching on one verse.

733
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: So I'm going to point out to something else. Here's

734
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 2: an important one in Isaiah fifty three. The entire chapter

735
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 2: which Jews and Christians have a disagreement on who who

736
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 2: is the servant spoken of in that chapter. But the

737
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 2: entire chapter in Isaiah fifty three speaks of a servant

738
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 2: who will come and suffer to the point of death.

739
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 2: So I'm pointing out to the fact that this is

740
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: throughout scripture. In the Book of Revelation, it also speaks

741
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,959
Speaker 2: chapter thirteen and verse eight. It says that the lamb

742
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 2: was slain from the foundation of the world. And then

743
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 2: Jesus himself and John seventeen twenty four says, this is

744
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 2: the last prayer. They call it the priestly prayer. He says,

745
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: you love me before the foundation of the world. So

746
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 2: you have this whole plan that was divinely conceived and

747
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 2: executed regardless of whose hands were performing the act. We

748
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 2: might as well say the Romans, why don't we have

749
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 2: an anti Roman doctrine? You know we should, And I

750
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 2: say this to my friends sometimes, who because I have

751
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 2: friends who have different views, Right, I say, okay, fair enough,

752
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 2: the Jews killed Christ? Well how about the Romans? How

753
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 2: did you admit them? So if we go by that logic,

754
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 2: we should have, you know, the exterminated all Romans or

755
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 2: Italians because they were equally at least equally responsible. Where's

756
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 2: that doctrine, Where's that ideology? Where's that perspective? Why are

757
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 2: we missing that? Why are we missing the fact that

758
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 2: all the disciples were Jews. Their disciples were Jews, And

759
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 2: for three hundred years you have predominantly Jewish movement that

760
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 2: slowly integrated non Jews, but it was carried by Jews. Right,

761
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 2: spoke in Hebrews. Still to this day, Matthew wrote the

762
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 2: first original story, not the Gospel, but Matthew's writings, which

763
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 2: theologians call the q version. We have historic references that

764
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 2: he wrote it in Hebrew. So they were all Hebrews

765
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 2: speaking Torau observant Jews.

766
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: Right.

767
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: None of this alignce with the who killed Christ? None

768
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 2: of them spoke about that. There's no evidence of that

769
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 2: Christ killing accusation, which developed much later on, you know

770
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 2: Constantine and then had you have Theologians in the four

771
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 2: century who began purposely to kind of take that spin

772
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 2: because they really wanted to separate Jews and Christians. Jews

773
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 2: and Christians were worshiping together on Shabbat, Jews and Christians

774
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 2: were celebrating Passover Easter what we call now. And so

775
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 2: actually there's an imperial edict by Emperor Constantine. It took

776
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 2: an imperial edict to say, you know what, no, we're

777
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 2: going to separate you guys. You can't do all this

778
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,919
Speaker 2: stuff together. So for three hundred years you have Jews

779
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 2: and Christians kind of like in a similar camp. The

780
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 2: Christians were called Nazarenes, or they were called different names,

781
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 2: you know, they were called the Dutzerim, right, they were

782
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 2: called the Ebonites or whatever. But there were thirty to

783
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 2: fifty percent of Jews at the time, or Messianics or Notzerim.

784
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 2: And in fact, something interesting during the last Great Revolt

785
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 2: about Koppa Revolt, the Notzerim, the Jesus followers who were

786
00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 2: Jewish were so great in number that the rabbis, you know,

787
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 2: Rabbi Akiva at that time, he said, Barkokba is our Messiah.

788
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 2: He's gonna lead us and we're gonna liberalary yourself from Rome, right,

789
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 2: and so the Notzarim, the worshippers of Jesus, no, we

790
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 2: already have a messiah. He's issue, right, So they bowed

791
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 2: out and they did not support the revolt against Rome.

792
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 2: That is where an internal split happened. And they said,

793
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 2: you know what, that's where there's a Jewish prayer that

794
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 2: curses Christians and all that. That's what because they're like, oh,

795
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: you betrayed our national cause. Now the tribe, because you're

796
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 2: not going to follow Bakopa as a messiah, You're going

797
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 2: to follow you on your shua. So these are internal

798
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 2: things that were happening through the centuries, But there was

799
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 2: never a Christ killing accusation.

800
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: Right.

801
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 2: The other thing that it omits the fornoledge and the

802
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 2: plan of God for this to happen is a big one.

803
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: Right.

804
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 2: How can you develop a Christ's killing doctrine if God

805
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 2: himself said I'm going to sacrifice myself out of love,

806
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 2: and whose hands were on the Messiah at that time?

807
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: You know? Tan really the reality who killed Christ? We

808
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: all did.

809
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 2: Because if he came to die for the sins of

810
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: the world, guess what the sin of the world is

811
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: what pinned them on that cross. And for someone to

812
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 2: come in and say, oh, by the way, all those

813
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 2: sinners are better than that group, it's just incredibly intellectually

814
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 2: dishonest and not scriptural. The other thing is, Okay, I'm

815
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 2: gonna pause here because it's a lot and well, does

816
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 2: that make sense to Tanner?

817
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I just want to clarify. I'm just

818
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 3: asking the question to ask. I don't believe that we

819
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 3: should pin it on the Jewish people. I guess where

820
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 3: I get really confused is that Christians and Jews have

821
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 3: different ideas for what redemption is, and I feel like

822
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 3: that doesn't align.

823
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: So why would they work together?

824
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 2: Because A, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is

825
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 2: the God that we worship. You know, I've been to

826
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: the Whaling Wall, I've been to his room many times,

827
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 2: and I've been in Muslim countries, and I can tell

828
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 2: you that at a very existential level that that I've

829
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 2: been to Buddhist countries I've been to I've been to

830
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 2: over sixty countries around the world and I've preached in

831
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 2: over forty of them. Right, And you know, if you

832
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 2: have any level of spiritual awareness when you walk into

833
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 2: For example, I was in Mianmar and one of the

834
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 2: biggest it's the biggest Buddhist temple in the world. Right,

835
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 2: and the sense, the overwhelming sense of a demonic power

836
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 2: and cult when you see people on the ground and

837
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 2: doing things, the overwhelming sense of oppression and Muslim Indonesia,

838
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 2: I've been in the heart of Java where I've let

839
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 2: Bible study and at the same time the mom is blasting,

840
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 2: you know, with the call to prayer. When you go

841
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: to Israel, you go to the whaling wall, right, there

842
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 2: is no that sense, you know that we are seeking

843
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 2: the same God. The difference, the doctrinal differences that we have,

844
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 2: the different interpretation as to whether Jesus was the Messiah

845
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 2: or he's yet to come, that's to me an internal difference.

846
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 2: It can, in no way, shape or form should be

847
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 2: a reason for us to develop hostile ideology or exclusive

848
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 2: like either or there's no such either or do you

849
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 2: know for example that in the sixteenth century, like we

850
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 2: have this Bible today, right in the sixteenth century, it

851
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 2: was Jewish scholars who were mostly responsible for the new

852
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 2: translations of the Bible after a thousand years of the

853
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 2: Roman Catholic you know, Roman version of the Bible or translation.

854
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 2: The reformers of the sixteenth century formed an alliance with

855
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 2: Jewish rabbis to go back to the original language. It's

856
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 2: called Christian Hebraism. And they were like, let's work together

857
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 2: to go back to a scripture to really understand better

858
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 2: the text, because the foundational text is in Hebrew, right,

859
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 2: And so Jews have contributed tremendously through the centuries, and

860
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 2: the Jewish Christian alliances have contributed tremendously for Christians to

861
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 2: better understand their faith. And we just basically, I can

862
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 2: have a discussion with any Jew about logical differences to

863
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 2: build an entire ideology on top of that, and what's

864
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 2: called the replacement theology that says, no, you're no longer special,

865
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,240
Speaker 2: You're no longer nobody where Christians have replaced the Jews.

866
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,879
Speaker 2: That is called the replacement theology. And it's basically it's

867
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 2: built on a wrong premise. It's it excludes the writings

868
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 2: of Paul, it excludes a whole lot from the Bible.

869
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: And what groups I mean, can you can you identify

870
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: in terms of organizations, what organizations tend to focus on

871
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: that replacement.

872
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 2: Replacement, replacement theology is at on many levels and many denominations,

873
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 2: many churches. They don't speak of it openly. Sometimes you're

874
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 2: probably not going to find it as a page in

875
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: their you know, beliefs or creed. But what it's, what

876
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 2: it does is when you go to the seminary level,

877
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 2: you go to you know, popular books, levels, sermons, it's

878
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 2: just being peppered. You know, they peppered this whole entire idea,

879
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 2: and over a period of time people just begin to

880
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 2: adopt the who kill Christ attitude?

881
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: You know. But it comes back to the Roman Empire

882
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: separated these communities, and there was also that and there

883
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 1: was that revolt, the Barkokla issue, so that was within

884
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: Jewish culture. But there was an edict from Emperor Constantine.

885
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: Why why did he do that?

886
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 2: So Constantine at the time when he was an emperor,

887
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 2: he was a very unstable character, if you know a

888
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 2: little bit about his history. He really needed popular support, right,

889
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 2: and he looked at the Roman Empire and he asked

890
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 2: his advisors, who can support me in this whole entire empire?

891
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 2: And that's really the history of how Christianity became legal

892
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 2: in the Roman Empire. So he said, they said, well,

893
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 2: look at these guys, they're the most organized group. They

894
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 2: show up every week, they go to these meetings, and

895
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 2: so he made allies with the Christians. There's this whole

896
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 2: story about him seeing Across or his mother, but that's

897
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 2: that's not whether that's history or not, that's a whole

898
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,959
Speaker 2: different story. But what's true is that he found great

899
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 2: support in the in the at that time underground Christians.

900
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 2: Right to say Rome now, Also, if you read Saint

901
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 2: Augustine The City of God particularly, which is a very

902
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 2: volumeless it's like nine hundred pages and I recommend it

903
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 2: to everyone, but it's pretty serious reading, right, you can

904
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 2: really understand from Saint Augustine's writing the heart of a

905
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 2: Roman who is also a Christian, Like, these people love

906
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 2: Rome the way we love America today.

907
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: I kid you not.

908
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 2: Like if you read Augustine, you will see that to them,

909
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 2: to be a Roman was a big deal, right, This

910
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 2: was the civilization. These are the guys who built aqueducts, right,

911
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 2: They had families, they had lands, they were they saw

912
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 2: themselves as vampire absolutely absolutely so.

913
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: For them.

914
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 2: For them now, accepting Christianity for Constantine was a big

915
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 2: deal because he's replacing all these idols and false gods, right,

916
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 2: And so essentially part of the reason Christian theologians at

917
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,479
Speaker 2: that time saw the Jews is a problem is because

918
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 2: they're competing competing ideology to what was an empire strengthening.

919
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: Because you had this group of Jewish revolutionaries that were

920
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 1: fighting the empire well, and they.

921
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 2: Were always a thorn in someone's butt. Right, they were like, no,

922
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 2: will you guys believe all this? But now we got

923
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 2: our own idea. So as far as I'm concerned, I

924
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 2: like that. I like people who are contrarian by nature.

925
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, really, you don't believe the same as me,

926
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 2: Tell me why, right? But not all people are like that.

927
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 2: People have power, like to consolidate and suppress, you know.

928
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 2: So that's kind of like the story they he came in.

929
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,399
Speaker 2: It's like you worship on Sunday, that'd say it you're

930
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 2: a Christian. So it was really an attempt by both

931
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 2: theologians at that time, like Christosomus and the emperor, to

932
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 2: consolidate power and unify. And it was very much a

933
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 2: political creation of political Christianity because he was for three

934
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 2: hundred years. It was very much in homes. There was

935
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 2: no temples, they were gathering in a synagogue on Shabbat

936
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 2: and at homes on Sunday. It was it was very

937
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 2: much a home based Christianity. Constantine created an institution, he replaced,

938
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 2: he started appointing.

939
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: One could say he co opted Christianity. Couldn't absolutely. I

940
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 1: mean that's this is where we get into the whole

941
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: spread of Christianity throughout Europe, all the way to the

942
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: British Isles, and then the whole characteristic of it changes,

943
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: and that, you know, leads us to America. So but

944
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: I do want to say, just because I think it's

945
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: so interesting, I want to just and when you're watching

946
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: tonight on YouTube and you're in the live chat, if

947
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: you want to you read the live chat where you

948
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: go read the comments afterwards. I can't guarantee this, but

949
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: they're going people that disagree with you. But my point is,

950
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 1: what you're saying from a Christian frame is that God,

951
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: God's plan, yes, was for this redemption. So why are

952
00:54:56,160 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 1: we blaming the Jews for playing a role in god plant?

953
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: And they have a role in God's plant.

954
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 2: Even Paul in his Discourse and the Book of Romans

955
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 2: goes out to say, well, even Pharaoh, it was predestined

956
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 2: kind of Pharaoh to be who he is. So there's

957
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 2: almost this whole element of it's a dangerous territory free

958
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 2: will versus predestination.

959
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: I was just going to bring that up. It's a

960
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: really touchy one.

961
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 2: And the rabbis, if you study rabbinical writings, especially from

962
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 2: you know, the first century and prior to Jesus' time,

963
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 2: they were all discussing.

964
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: This whole.

965
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 2: The divide that we have, the liberal conservative divide, and

966
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 2: also the predestination versus free will. Those discussions there were

967
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 2: there were had between rabbis for exactly, and then Christians

968
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 2: had them later on. But but basically it's very difficult

969
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 2: to I mean, it's very it's very easy to explain

970
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 2: if you have the larger context and you understand the

971
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 2: Bible as a redemptive story, pinpointing, you know, the differences

972
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 2: to the Jews and the Christians, rather seeing that these groups,

973
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 2: the Jewish people, as those to whom the scripture were given.

974
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 2: That's what Paul says. He highlights the fact that without

975
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 2: them we wouldn't have scripture. Without them, we wouldn't have Messiah. Right,

976
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 2: God could have caused Messiah to be born from a

977
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 2: Chinese girl in you know, Beijing, Right, Why didn't he

978
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 2: do that? Because there's a story, there's continuity. He calls Abraham,

979
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 2: a man who was not particularly we don't know much

980
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,919
Speaker 2: about his ethnicity, you know, or of the Chaldeans or whatever,

981
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 2: and he crosses.

982
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: Over the river Jordan.

983
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,879
Speaker 2: The word Hebrew comes from the Hebrew word hebe, which

984
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 2: means the crossover. So the crossing over now transforms him

985
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 2: into obedient follower of Yahweh or Yrjovah, depending on where

986
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 2: you believe how the special name is pronounced, right, and

987
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 2: this and this toral observant culture is born, and it

988
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 2: basically the temple and the Tabernacle and the observation of

989
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 2: these doctrines, of these uh precepts by God form a

990
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 2: culture from which the Messiah is born, whether now or

991
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 2: in the future, it's from a culture. Jesus didn't come

992
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 2: from Mars, he didn't drop from from the sky. He

993
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 2: had a background. He spoke Hebrew, he spoke, he observed that,

994
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 2: he studied the Torah, and so so if you remove

995
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 2: basically the Old Testament his history, he becomes a martian

996
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 2: like he could have dropped anywhere on earth. But no

997
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 2: God says, no, there's a history here, because he's a

998
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 2: god of families. God, there's a lineage, lineage, there's continuity,

999
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 2: and and what's the dear, what's important to people today?

1000
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 2: I have a grandchild. When I look at my grandson,

1001
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 2: you see yourself. You're like, wow, you know, here's my

1002
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 2: child had a child, right, And that's God's story as well,

1003
00:57:55,560 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 2: a story of continuity. So to fragmented and take one

1004
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 2: piece and here it's one of the worst things you

1005
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 2: can do. You have to look at the entire story

1006
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 2: and the entire What is.

1007
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: This benefit of fragmenting it. Let's go on to the

1008
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: other sectarianism. Sectarianism who people who focus and become obsessed

1009
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 1: with a segment of the story but not the entire

1010
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 1: story usually are either intellectually deficient or in my opinion,

1011
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: or or or have an agenda of some kind to

1012
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: draw people to put together a movement or whatnot, or

1013
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: power seeking individuals like you were saying, even a good

1014
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: person when given power, if there's no checks and balances,

1015
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: chances are they'll screw up. Of course, the idea is

1016
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: that the check and balance inside that that's the ultimate

1017
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 1: hardest boy. You have to work for it absolutely. That

1018
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 1: is that's the process of redemption. Yes, and the anti Semitism,

1019
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: it is actually terrifying and it really ties into this

1020
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: whole political environment we find ourselves in which brought us

1021
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: together to have this conversation, which is, you know, I'm

1022
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: an officer in the Republican Party. You know, I'm really

1023
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: involved in this political thing and I've been deposed now

1024
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: because I'm searching for truth. We've got a lot of

1025
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: folks in the party that are tote in the line,

1026
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 1: and that line is not working. And you know, I

1027
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: say to people like the leader of the party, Alex Blackish, Hey,

1028
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 1: if it was working, I'd be all for it. But

1029
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 1: it's a failure here in Minnesota and keep doing the

1030
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: same thing over and over again. So here's what we're

1031
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: doing here in Minnesota. We've got a group of Christian

1032
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 1: evangelicals which are extraordinarily supportive of Israel to the extent of.

1033
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 2: Can I interrupt you please, I'm sorry because it just

1034
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 2: flashed in my mind. So when we talk about Tanner

1035
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 2: might find it's interesting because it's one thing to talk

1036
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 2: about historic Israel and historically the Jews. It's another thing

1037
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 2: when crossover into now and today and say, well, how

1038
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 2: does it what does this have to do with Israel today?

1039
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 2: You're stealing my thunder pro but I mean Christian Zionism. Right,

1040
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 2: here's the thing people don't understand. The Christian Zionism originally

1041
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 2: originated in the sixteenth century and and you know Europe

1042
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 2: back Blackstone was a Zionist.

1043
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: Right, fifty years before there was Jewish Zionism. There was

1044
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: Christian Zionism. Fifty years it predated Jewish Zionism.

1045
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 2: I mean, the history is amazing because these Christians, like Blackstone,

1046
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 2: for example, you can read their writings and they had

1047
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 2: no concept of Palestine or none of these issues. They

1048
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 2: studied scripture and they'd even look at prophecy. And this

1049
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 2: is what I want to say, true Christian Zionism is

1050
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 2: not tied to prophecy. I'm anti that like that to

1051
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 2: me is I know there's a lot of people to

1052
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 2: blame them.

1053
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 1: Go back, then, we have to go back one frame

1054
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: to sol the scriptura in the fracturing of the Church,

1055
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of the fracturing. The Protestant movement

1056
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: is part of what you're talking about. I think part

1057
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 1: of that is a authority of.

1058
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 2: The Bible versus the authority of popes and CARDINALSM yes, yeah, yeah, well, okay, yeah,

1059
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 2: that's true. Not all Christian movements except the Bible is

1060
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 2: the ultimate authority. It's always like for Catholics. For Catholics

1061
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 2: is the Bible and such and such and such. For

1062
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 2: the Orthodox Church is the same, the Bible and the

1063
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 2: Church hierarchy fifty to fifty. Right, Even Judaism looks to

1064
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 2: Judaism looks at the at the Tanakh and says, oh,

1065
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 2: Tanak is good, but we have the oral law.

1066
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: Right.

1067
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 2: So the emergence of the Protestant Christianity, which says, no,

1068
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 2: the Bible is the ultimate authority, similar to the care writes.

1069
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 2: In the Jewish world, you have the kre Rites, who

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Speaker 2: are scriptural Jews. They only acknowledge the Dora like they

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Speaker 2: don't look at they don't look at the writings and

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Speaker 2: rabbis that secondary. They maybe use them or not, similar

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Speaker 2: to similar to that. In the Christian world, the idea

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Speaker 2: of the Bible is the defining authority is pretty unique

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Speaker 2: in that sense.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: The problem is when you attach prophecy and you say, oh,

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Speaker 2: I support Israel because I believe that based on the

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Speaker 2: prophecy or my view of end times, then I'll support

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Speaker 2: Israel because they have to go back to the land. Actually,

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Speaker 2: the return to the land is part of biblical prophecy,

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Speaker 2: not because of end times, but just because God says

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Speaker 2: one day I will bring them back to their land.

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Speaker 1: Period.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't say I'll bring them back to the land

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Speaker 2: because of the end times. The prophecies in Old Testament,

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Speaker 2: specifically gathering. The in gathering is prophesied by the prophet Ezekiel,

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Speaker 2: by Isaiah. And it's a promise for all Jews all

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Speaker 2: the time.

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Speaker 1: And let me just say, and this is critical from

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Speaker 1: the Jewish perspective, what they call the diaspora, the forcing

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Speaker 1: out of the Jews from the Holy Land, the people

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Speaker 1: that raised me, the religious Jews that raised me. Except

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Speaker 1: that is God's punishment that the Jews were scattered by

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Speaker 1: divine will because of their failure to follow and to

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Speaker 1: love God with all their heart and all their soul

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Speaker 1: and all their might. So the im importance of being

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Speaker 1: into diaspora, the importance of supporting the country you lived in,

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Speaker 1: the importance of suffering. This fracturing of the community was

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Speaker 1: part of the redemption of the Jewish people. So when

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Speaker 1: the state of Israel was formed in forty eight, the

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Speaker 1: religious that raised me didn't want Israel to be formed.

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Speaker 1: They viewed that as a Marxist political movement that had

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Speaker 1: nothing to do with Judaism. They viewed it completely differently.

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Speaker 1: They didn't support it. It was really only after Jerusalem

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Speaker 1: was recaptured in nineteen sixty seven that the religious in

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Speaker 1: the United States started to go back to Israel. And

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Speaker 1: I personally, I can't prove this, but I personally think

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Speaker 1: that they didn't want to leave Jerusalem in the hands

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Speaker 1: of minists. Well, whatever you think.

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Speaker 2: At the end of the day, it boils down to

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Speaker 2: a very much and maybe I'll go maybe I'm going

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Speaker 2: back to the fact that I was raised in a

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Speaker 2: communist country. And you have to understand, in communism there's

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Speaker 2: very much an existential issue. It's a life and death issue.

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Speaker 2: It's an issue of if I speak up, maybe I'll disappear.

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Speaker 2: Right here, you're speaking up. You're one of ten million

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Speaker 2: people who speak up. It's a matter of, like, maybe

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Speaker 2: get rejected by someone who's watching the live stream. So

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Speaker 2: what big deal they rejected me.

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Speaker 1: I don't care.

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Speaker 2: But in the communist society, you may be disappeared. The

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Speaker 2: entire Bible, all the scriptures were giving in the context

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Speaker 2: of existential issues. At the time of Jesus, the average

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Speaker 2: length of life was twenty eight years old. People were

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Speaker 2: dying like flies from sickness and disease. The issue of

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Speaker 2: eternity was not an intellectual exercise, right And to the

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Speaker 2: Jews today, if you go to Israel, realize that it's

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Speaker 2: an existential issue. They don't give a flip about our

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Speaker 2: disagreements and this and that. They need a home where

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Speaker 2: they will live, and it's promised in the Bible. Do

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Speaker 2: you really need more than that that God says I

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Speaker 2: will when they bring you back, and I will give

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Speaker 2: you safety in your own land that was given to

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Speaker 2: Abraham and you lived in it. For By the way,

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Speaker 2: they never really Yes, they were scattered, but Jews always

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Speaker 2: remained in the land. It's called Edit's Israel, the land

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Speaker 2: of Israel, and for two thousand years. Yes they were scattered,

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Speaker 2: they didn't hold out, they didn't have their own state,

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Speaker 2: but there are always always Jews in the land. On

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Speaker 2: top of that, when they start coming back to Israel,

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Speaker 2: they're buying the land. They were buying swamps and turned

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Speaker 2: them into kibusim, and you know, they turned them into

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Speaker 2: a prosperous When I was in the desert, I remember

1145
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 2: years ago we went to a kibbutz in the Negive Desert.

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Speaker 2: They were exporting tulips for Holland. How do you raise

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Speaker 2: tulips and export them to Holland?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: Incredible people, just incredibly creative and injuritive ingenua as people.

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Speaker 2: So so you have existential issue. We have intellectual and

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Speaker 2: maybe political bickering. They have an existential issue. And you

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Speaker 2: must understand the frame the discussion here. For someone in America,

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Speaker 2: a keyboard warrior, they may be having their opinions. For

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Speaker 2: a Jew in Israel, that's a matter of life and

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Speaker 2: death potentially. So it's not just a simple practice of

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Speaker 2: intellectual you know, a theological discourse. It's a matter of like, yes,

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Speaker 2: it's in the Bible, it's the land is promised to

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Speaker 2: the Jewish people, and we're here by God's providence, and

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Speaker 2: that's really that's really. You don't need much more than that.

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Speaker 2: If you're against that, if you're chanting from the river

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Speaker 2: to the sea, what you're really saying is kill all

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Speaker 2: the Jews.

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Speaker 1: Basically, the river from the river to the sea.

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Speaker 2: Literally is a coded, coded appeal to just get rid

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Speaker 2: of the Jews, because that's what that's what the enemies want,

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Speaker 2: right and rightly.

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Speaker 1: But this is an interface, then, that is an interface

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Speaker 1: between ancient biblical ideas and modern political realities. So of

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Speaker 1: course I don't support that idea because I'm Jewish. But

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Speaker 1: if you go back to Blackstone, you're talking about that

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Speaker 1: founding of the Christian Zionist movement in the Empire that

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Speaker 1: was quickly co opted. It was and it was used

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Speaker 1: to it's inevitable attack the Ottoman Turks, yes, and so

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Speaker 1: it became a political and then you had the psychs

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Speaker 1: Peco agreement, you know downstream after the Turkish Empire fell.

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Speaker 1: The empire didn't fall because of Jewish immigration, but that

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Speaker 1: didn't help. I mean, you know, it was the you know,

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Speaker 1: the Turkish Empire fell because it was all the empires,

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Speaker 1: they fall from within. But the use of Jewish immigration,

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Speaker 1: and I say use because I don't think it was benign.

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Speaker 1: I think it was a financed immigration with the intent

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Speaker 1: to change the political structure.

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Speaker 2: Theodore Hertzel wrote about it fifty years before the state

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Speaker 2: of it, before the Holocaust. Okay, Theodore Hertzel was was

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Speaker 2: a journalist who witnessed the Dreyfuss affair in France, and

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Speaker 2: he watched civilized France. He went, he went as a

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Speaker 2: journalist to cover the trial of this general who was

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Speaker 2: accused of treachery a Jew, a Jewish general who was

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Speaker 2: very who was exonerated from all the all the accusations

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Speaker 2: by the way, right. And so this Theodore Hertzel is

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Speaker 2: this German journalist who's going there just as a journalist

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Speaker 2: to cover the trial of a Jewish French Jewish general, right,

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Speaker 2: and he is shocked to see the French just turn

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Speaker 2: into beasts on the streets and screamed for the destruction,

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Speaker 2: the killing of the Jews. He came back said, we

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Speaker 2: need our own place. That was the birth of Zionism basically,

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Speaker 2: and the theory it had nothing to do with, you know, essentially,

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Speaker 2: it had to do with an existential threat.

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Speaker 1: Again for the Jews in Eastern Europe it did. Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: What did it have to do with for the British.

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Speaker 1: I mean the British used that, I believe they used

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Speaker 1: that movement, but they also had problems. Maybe so, But

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Speaker 1: if you want to survive David right, the Eastern European

1204
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 1: Jews needed.

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Speaker 2: You would make allies, right, you would make allies like

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Speaker 2: for example, Netta Yahoo was on a podcast with Ben

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Speaker 2: Shpier a few days ago, and he talked about his

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01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 2: father lobbying both Republicans and Democrats to you know, basically, hey,

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Speaker 2: you know, align with us, and so we can you know,

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Speaker 2: basically again, help us survive. Right, I understand having to survive.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to blame anyone. If everybody's after you're

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Speaker 2: trying to destroy you, and you're going to try to survive,

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Speaker 2: you may have to make allies with people you don't

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Speaker 2: really necessarily like ethically hopefully right, But people, forget, these

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Speaker 2: are not just ideas. At the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: we're talking about the lives of people. How about the

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01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 2: people that talk about the Christ killing Forget the fact

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Speaker 2: that Hitler produced the Nazi Bible.

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Speaker 1: Have ever heard of the Nazi Bible?

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Speaker 2: No? Okay, So the Nazis created their own version of

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Speaker 2: the Bible and they eradicate it in it. It's a translation,

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Speaker 2: modern translation in Germany, that's a historic truth. And the

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Speaker 2: Nazi Bible eradicates all the Jewish mentions.

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Speaker 1: And you know, basically is.

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Speaker 2: Turning into an Anglo Saxon original document of some kind.

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Speaker 2: So that's that's to the degree of depravity that that

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Speaker 2: these people's minds, they're just like Jew hatred is like

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Speaker 2: a in my opinion, is like an infection of some kind.

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Speaker 1: It's just brain rot.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what would cause you to go and scrap

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Speaker 2: the how I don't know how much of the Bible

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Speaker 2: they scrap, right, but what would even give you the

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Speaker 2: idea you can write a new version of the Bible,

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Speaker 2: you know, only to remove the Jewish influence. You can't

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Speaker 2: even do that. It's ridiculous, right, But just the intent,

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Speaker 2: you know, this this accessant intent in some people to

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Speaker 2: just they just hate the Jews.

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Speaker 1: Something in them.

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Speaker 2: It's irrational, actually, it's it's a spiritual thing. And and

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Speaker 2: and the problem problem in America today, I think because

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Speaker 2: I'm listening to you know, the you know, following the

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Speaker 2: monitoring the conversation on X the problem is that I

1243
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 2: see is that you have the the Jew hating right

1244
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:14,879
Speaker 2: or left, but you also have the poorly equipped Christians

1245
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:20,600
Speaker 2: who mostly support Israel because of eschatological or prophecy positions,

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Speaker 2: which in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: Are that's a poor position the the let's talk about that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's let's let's really focus, okay on the scripture and

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01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 1: the politics of why you're saying it's an intellectually and

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Speaker 1: scripturally weak Yes, I could do that. That'd be very briefly.

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Speaker 2: So eschatology is the study of end times for the

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01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 2: last times. How would the world end? You know, here's

1253
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 2: a question. So if you go to Hebrews chapter six

1254
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 2: in the beginning, uh, the author of Hebrews, nobody agrees,

1255
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Speaker 2: you know perfectly that it's Paul. But let's just say

1256
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 2: the author of Hebrews, the Book of Hebrews, right, he

1257
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 2: mentions the foundational doctrines of Christianity, repentance of that works,

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01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:10,639
Speaker 2: the teaching on baptisms, faith in God, laying on of hands,

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Speaker 2: the resurrection of the dead, and judgment. If you look

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Speaker 2: at those six that are being listed their doctrines, if

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Speaker 2: you will, or that package, it kind of offers to

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Speaker 2: you the whole entire philosophy, like here's how you come

1263
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Speaker 2: into the Kingdom of God, Here's how you live into

1264
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 2: the Kingdom of God by faith. Right, and here's the

1265
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Speaker 2: end the teaching on you know, the end time. There

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Speaker 2: will be an end to this creation according to the Bible.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: So the problem is when we get into a whole

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Speaker 2: lot of guessing how exactly the end will come.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: This is where all the eschatological schools differ because you

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Speaker 2: have the different views. You have the amillennial view, which

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Speaker 2: is historically the longest view, which is the Catholic Church view.

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Speaker 2: Is like the amillennial view is looking at you know,

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Speaker 2: the Book of Revelation as a metaphor. The millennium is

1276
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Speaker 2: really a metaphor for the reign of Christ on earth.

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Speaker 2: Now there's really no thousand years of Christ.

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Speaker 1: On the earth.

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Speaker 2: There's the pre tribulation view that says, well, there will

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Speaker 2: be a rapture before Christ comes. There's the mid trip

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Speaker 2: post tribulation, and so forth and so on. All of

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Speaker 2: these views, right, are basically, in one way, you can

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01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 2: say speculation. We don't have a historic evidence that during

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01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 2: the early years of Christianity, if you call it, that

1285
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 2: there was important to anyone. They basically believed that the

1286
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 2: end will come one day. We don't know where it is.

1287
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 2: Christ themselves said, don't try to guess it, don't name dates, right,

1288
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 2: and live purely as if you would die tomorrow. But

1289
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 2: don't obsess over how exactly the end belcome. It has

1290
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 2: no relevance to salvation. How the invercome has no relevance

1291
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 2: to the redemptive story. Right, the redemptive story of death

1292
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 2: a very Jewish position. And by the way it is,

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01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 2: I mean that is that's where we align again. The

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01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 2: state of man, the condition of man, the condition of

1295
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 2: the world you live in. Accepting responsibility for your own

1296
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 2: condition before you go around blaming other people is very

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01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 2: much a Biblical redemptive concept, right, And so to become

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01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 2: even pro Israel solely based on your eschatological views, eschatological views,

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01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 2: in my opinion, is not the original Christian Zionism. The

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01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:32,640
Speaker 2: original Christian Zionism deeply rooted and just biblical fulfillment of

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01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 2: the promise that God gave to Israel. You have your

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01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:38,679
Speaker 2: land one day, I'll be back period and the story.

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01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 2: I have a weird question about that.

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01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 3: So there's no room for misunderstanding that Israel is just

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01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 3: all land on earth. Is it specifically this continent in

1306
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:51,600
Speaker 3: that area that they are at, or could it be

1307
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 3: well historically that was their land.

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01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:55,599
Speaker 1: Historically.

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Speaker 2: You have coins, inscriptions, you have a lot of archaeological

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01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 2: it is going back thousand years before Christ. So that's

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01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:06,639
Speaker 2: three thousand years of history. That that was the land

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01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 2: of Israel spoken of in the Bible archaeologically confirmed. Why

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01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:12,480
Speaker 2: would they go elsewhere?

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01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 1: Right?

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01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:15,839
Speaker 3: Well, no, and I understand that. I guess I'm confused.

1316
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 3: Where did I know the story of Israel is wrestling

1317
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 3: with God? Right or something along that word Jacob Jacob,

1318
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 3: So that's where the name had come from.

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01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:28,720
Speaker 2: It was changed by God from Jacob to Israel, from

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01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:31,680
Speaker 2: you know, deceiver, because that was the name given a

1321
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 2: birth to prince with God.

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01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 1: Israel means a prince.

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Speaker 3: With God, right, Okay, continue, Sorry, I just wanted to

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01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 3: ask that because I could kind of see it if, Like,

1325
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 3: I just have a really hard time wrapping my head

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01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:46,719
Speaker 3: around why it's this piece of land.

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01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 1: Why it's in the Bible. Play it's biblical.

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01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,960
Speaker 2: It's literally in the Biblical text he gives the borders,

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01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 2: and it's actually much less land today than what the

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01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 2: biblical borders are.

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Speaker 1: If the Jews were fanatics, there goes greater Israel. Exactly.

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01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 1: If the Jews were.

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01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 2: Really fanatics, the fanatics that they say they are, they

1334
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 2: would be arming themselves. They would be teaching their kids

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01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:08,720
Speaker 2: now one day it will become great Israel. Look at

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01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 2: the biblical boundaries of Israel.

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Speaker 1: They're not doing that.

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01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:13,880
Speaker 2: They're not doing that because if you look at the

1339
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 2: original boundaries that God gives their Abraham, they're much bigger.

1340
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:19,759
Speaker 2: They're going to Jordan, they go into all these different

1341
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 2: So the Jews are kind of like, yeah, this used

1342
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 2: to be all our land and promise to us by God.

1343
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:27,680
Speaker 1: But we'll settle for this right. Can we just live here?

1344
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 1: And can you just leave us alone so we can

1345
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 1: live here. This is the part that really has gotten

1346
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 1: lost over the course of my lifetime. Israel is viewed

1347
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 1: now as a very militaristic and tyrannical state by the

1348
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 1: left particularly, But I know the whole essence of being

1349
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:50,080
Speaker 1: a believer. When people talk about the Torah, when they

1350
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 1: tell you we want you to learn this book, here's

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01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:55,519
Speaker 1: what they say. All its paths are paths of peace.

1352
01:16:56,520 --> 01:17:00,639
Speaker 1: So if you steep yourself in the study of the Torah,

1353
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:03,680
Speaker 1: the Five Books of Moses, the idea is to bring

1354
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:08,840
Speaker 1: about peace and prosperity, well being. It's not about being

1355
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 1: a military rist state.

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01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 2: Here's a good one and you probably know more about that.

1357
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 2: But tannor that might be curious for you, not like, actually,

1358
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:22,840
Speaker 2: a minority of Jews today believe, even Orthodox Jews, if

1359
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:25,360
Speaker 2: you ask them about a coming Messiah. Talking about the

1360
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 2: disagreement between Christians and Jews. A lot of Jews don't

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01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 2: even believe in a historical Messiah coming. They're just believe

1362
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 2: in the Messianic age. Maybe, right, it's only a segment

1363
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:38,639
Speaker 2: of Jews that actually believe in the coming of today

1364
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 2: right now, I'm saying, if you look at there's research,

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01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 2: there's different eschatologies, they've changed through the ages, their understanding

1366
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 2: of what a Messiah is. So now a lot of

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01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:50,560
Speaker 2: Jews in Judaism they're like, well, maybe it's not a

1368
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:53,280
Speaker 2: particular figure, Maybe it's just an age that's going to come.

1369
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:56,920
Speaker 2: They're really striving towards peace. Basically, they want leave us alone,

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01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:01,599
Speaker 2: will leave you alone, essentially, right, And that's been lost

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01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 2: because of propaganda, because if you look at from the

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01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 2: Theodor Hertzel saying we need our own state to protect

1373
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:13,559
Speaker 2: ourselves down all the way to today. Yes, they may

1374
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 2: have gone off into Oh Israel spied on so and so, Yeah,

1375
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 2: everybody spies on everybody. Really, you're gonna pinpoint the Jews

1376
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:23,639
Speaker 2: when the reality is, oh, they're really good at cyber

1377
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 2: why not you'd be good at cyber too if you want.

1378
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:30,920
Speaker 2: It's a free market. You know they're smart. Well, yeah,

1379
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:34,000
Speaker 2: go ahead, be smart too. What did the Jews have

1380
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 2: to do in Europe? They're not allowed to have land,

1381
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 2: for example, the Jews could not own land in Europe, right,

1382
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 2: so they develop lending. You want your money transported from

1383
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 2: Rome to London in the fourteenth century. You know who

1384
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 2: was going to do that?

1385
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 1: The Jews.

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01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 2: They had a little community here in London, and they

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01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 2: put it in the money in the courier's pocket and

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01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:57,400
Speaker 2: they said, you know what, you need to transport this

1389
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 2: money from Genoa to London and for a small fee. Okay,

1390
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:05,479
Speaker 2: this is how modern lending was born. Okay, And so

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01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:08,519
Speaker 2: they developed that whole internal system.

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01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:09,200
Speaker 1: What else to do?

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01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 2: They got no land, so they went into knowledge services, right,

1394
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:17,680
Speaker 2: they became advisors to kings, because what do you do?

1395
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:19,880
Speaker 2: I mean, you're studying the Toronto all the day. And

1396
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 2: one rabbi said, you know, we've been trying to figure

1397
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 2: out how to con God for how many centuries? Right,

1398
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:26,600
Speaker 2: that's what we're smart lawyers. It's a study of the

1399
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 2: scripture of the thought.

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Speaker 1: Well, we talked about that briefly, about the capturing of

1401
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 1: the word, the ability to manipulate the word. Yes, and

1402
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 1: I know this, you have to Actually, it's not a

1403
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:42,720
Speaker 1: Jewish thing, it's a human thing. There are people that

1404
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 1: have found an ability to connect with creativity. Yeah, and

1405
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:50,600
Speaker 1: it's not owned by the Jews. But the Jews are

1406
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 1: just very good at it because it's taught father to son,

1407
01:19:54,400 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 1: that ability to study, to inquire, to create. That's the

1408
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:04,559
Speaker 1: essence of being Jewish, and it could be the essence.

1409
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:07,120
Speaker 1: My feeling. Has got nothing to do with being Jewish.

1410
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:10,240
Speaker 1: It's got to do with being human and circumstances too.

1411
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:13,519
Speaker 1: The circumstances for you were talking about that it is

1412
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 1: shape you into. You know, the lawyer and tea times

1413
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 1: make the warriors exactly the times make the worriors.

1414
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 2: So you have to understand the human history. You have

1415
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 2: to underst The best way to understand an issue is

1416
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 2: what is the story behind it. Every time someone takes

1417
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 2: something out of context and they develop this whole thing.

1418
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:31,439
Speaker 1: I feel I didn't know we were going to go

1419
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:34,840
Speaker 1: with this direction. I like this because I struggle with

1420
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:37,760
Speaker 1: all this anti Semitism that I see on X like

1421
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 1: you do. I really didn't plan on talking about this

1422
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:45,840
Speaker 1: anti Semitism in this way at this time, but that

1423
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 1: does tie in. You said something that is a bombshell

1424
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 1: that some of the listeners and viewers are going to

1425
01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 1: have to cogitate on. Your theory of the case is

1426
01:20:56,840 --> 01:21:03,040
Speaker 1: that the eschatology is not necessarily correct the way this

1427
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:11,880
Speaker 1: in gathering is being portrayed as the preface to the

1428
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 1: return of Christ. If I understand you correctly, you're saying

1429
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 1: from your perspective that reading of the Holy script yes,

1430
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 1: is incorrect. Do I understand you absolutely?

1431
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:27,400
Speaker 2: I do not believe support for Israel has to be

1432
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:29,639
Speaker 2: based on eschatology at all. Now, if you do, I'm

1433
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:33,160
Speaker 2: fine with that. If that's your reading. If if if

1434
01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 2: you come from a school of thought that says, oh,

1435
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:37,600
Speaker 2: it's it's going to happen like this, Israel has to

1436
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:39,720
Speaker 2: be brought to the land because of the anti Christ. Well,

1437
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:42,200
Speaker 2: I don't even believe it. Where in scripture does it

1438
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:44,600
Speaker 2: speak of a of a literal anti Christ? Do you

1439
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 2: know that is not even in the Bible. Okay, it

1440
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 2: speaks of the spirit of Antichrist, but it never really

1441
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:53,599
Speaker 2: points out to a person that says this person will

1442
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 2: be anti Christ one time. It speaks of the man

1443
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:59,799
Speaker 2: of sin, and you can to base an entire doctrine

1444
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 2: one verse. I'm sorry, Okay. Then people hop over to

1445
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 2: the Book of Revelation and they take components of the

1446
01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:12,240
Speaker 2: Book of Revelation and and they put together these these theories,

1447
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:14,080
Speaker 2: which is fine. You want to have a theory or

1448
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:16,519
Speaker 2: a freakingom speech, you can do whatever you want, but

1449
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 2: don't tell me you're going to take a verse, a

1450
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:22,400
Speaker 2: single verse, and you're going to construct. And actually, the

1451
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:26,839
Speaker 2: idea of a physical Antichrist is pretty relevant.

1452
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:28,120
Speaker 1: This is like the Schofield Bible.

1453
01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:31,559
Speaker 2: This is like nineteenth end of nineteenth century type stuff.

1454
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:34,479
Speaker 2: So it's a pretty recent development that we believe in

1455
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:38,439
Speaker 2: some Antichrist coming who will be in Jerusalem, right, and

1456
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 2: the Jews are in the mix somehow at Antichrist, maybe

1457
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 2: he will be even Jewish?

1458
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 1: Is this all is just to meet.

1459
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 2: Speculation and support for Israel should not come based on

1460
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:51,840
Speaker 2: eschatological interpretation.

1461
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 1: Yet Yet, what we're experiment, what we're an experiment, what

1462
01:22:56,160 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 1: we're exploring, you know, is that exact strain. I don't

1463
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:04,760
Speaker 1: know how to say it that exact movement, which is

1464
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 1: giant in the Republican Party. Yeah, Christian evangelical belief, this

1465
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:16,640
Speaker 1: eschatological belief started with Billy Graham. Really, Billy Graham was

1466
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:19,680
Speaker 1: the progenitor, I mean, the most popular progenitor of it.

1467
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:24,800
Speaker 1: It influenced Nixon, it influenced Reagan, It's influenced Trump. Trump

1468
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:27,840
Speaker 1: actually is on tape saying that the reason he moved

1469
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 1: the American Embassy to Jerusalem, he says, this is for

1470
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:35,839
Speaker 1: the Evangelicals, and we have this Christians United for Israel,

1471
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:39,639
Speaker 1: which we have a very strong contingent of that here

1472
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:43,400
Speaker 1: in Minnesota, which comes from Living Word Church Mack Hammond,

1473
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 1: who I've watched since I was young. He used to

1474
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:51,800
Speaker 1: have the winners minuted on television. And you're really taking

1475
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 1: a contrarian position to that. It is contrarian.

1476
01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:56,800
Speaker 2: It is contraying, like I said, I you know, from

1477
01:23:56,800 --> 01:23:59,320
Speaker 2: a Jewish perspective, and because I love Israel, okay, of

1478
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 2: I mean just going record and say I love Israel.

1479
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 2: I see myself as a joined in to the tribe,

1480
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:06,480
Speaker 2: and I respect.

1481
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 1: And that's scriptural.

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01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 2: It's scriptural. We are grafted in and we must have

1483
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:14,519
Speaker 2: a deep, profound appreciation. Do you know that how many

1484
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:19,679
Speaker 2: Jews were killed for simply copywriting, like copying the Torah?

1485
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 2: Do you know that they were considering each letter of

1486
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:26,480
Speaker 2: the Torasso sacred that they would you know, the scribes

1487
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 2: when they when they create a Toro scroll, that's what

1488
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 2: they do like it's it's meticulous. It's a meticulous job

1489
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:37,800
Speaker 2: to handwrite, make sure every character, they will go wash

1490
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:40,200
Speaker 2: their hands, they will pray before that. The level of

1491
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 2: dedication to the Torah is we Christians have no concept.

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Speaker 1: I have a story for you. I've told it before,

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Speaker 1: but I'm gonna tell it to you. So you know,

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01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:51,040
Speaker 1: I was raised in a pretty religious for sure. So

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Speaker 1: what they do with young kids like me, who they

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01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 1: hope go to rabbinical school they called Yeshiva. My father

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01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:59,120
Speaker 1: was a Yeshiv bocher. So I was raised by very

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01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:04,760
Speaker 1: religious people. So they give you an opportunity to participate

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Speaker 1: in the creation of a Torus scroll when I'm young,

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Speaker 1: I mean just right after from bar Mitzvah, and you

1501
01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:13,400
Speaker 1: have to it has to be done perfect. There's no

1502
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:16,599
Speaker 1: air exactly practice for a long time. Because you get

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01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:19,439
Speaker 1: one letter. Okay, kids, step up to the plate. You

1504
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:23,400
Speaker 1: get one swing, and I asked the rabbi afterwards, I said,

1505
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 1: you know, this is a little bit going back to

1506
01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:31,679
Speaker 1: this Nazi Bible, because if the Nazis had won, that'd

1507
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 1: be the Bible probably. Yeah, I asked that rabbi. I said,

1508
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:40,439
Speaker 1: you know, you don't know me very good, and I

1509
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:46,600
Speaker 1: just got to write in this Torah. Can anybody do that?

1510
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:49,599
Speaker 1: And could they change it? Did I get an ask

1511
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 1: weapon for that question, because this brings up, you know,

1512
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:58,360
Speaker 1: a related idea, which is, you know, is the Bible

1513
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:02,880
Speaker 1: the revealed word of God? Did God write the Bible?

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01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 2: I mean, all, let's start with something else, Tanners, I

1515
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 2: take you to the Christian right, yeah, okay, so this

1516
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:13,240
Speaker 2: might be very interesting, especially to Christians. But all modern

1517
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 2: translations that we have today right based on the Massoretic Text.

1518
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 2: The Massoretic Text is you know, around the tenth century,

1519
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 2: eleventh century and so for for how many years from

1520
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:28,600
Speaker 2: so you're looking at like a thousand years of the

1521
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 2: Massoretic Text being the go to original script, which was

1522
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:37,320
Speaker 2: preserved all by Jews, right, And so there was a

1523
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:39,639
Speaker 2: lot of speculation up to the discovery of the Dead

1524
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:43,080
Speaker 2: Sea Scrolls that maybe there's a fraud, maybe there's a forgery. Maybe,

1525
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:45,680
Speaker 2: how can we rely how can we know we can

1526
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:47,480
Speaker 2: trust this translation?

1527
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 1: How do we know if any of this?

1528
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 2: And then the Dead Sea Scrolls, which was by the way,

1529
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:57,040
Speaker 2: tied to the whole story of Israel coming back together

1530
01:26:57,280 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 2: and the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls is an

1531
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:04,880
Speaker 2: Indiana Jones material basically, yeah, seriously it is. No, Yeah,

1532
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 2: I know what's saying. I don't know if you're familiar.

1533
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:09,720
Speaker 2: But here's the thing though, just linguistically, if you look

1534
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 2: at the Dead Sea Scrolls, over ninety percent of what

1535
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 2: was preserved for a thousand years by Jewish rabbis in

1536
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:24,200
Speaker 2: terms of the scripture itself, right, thousand years of preservation

1537
01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:27,639
Speaker 2: of that text, over ninety percent of it is identical

1538
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:28,679
Speaker 2: to the Dead Sea Scrolls.

1539
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:29,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1540
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:32,400
Speaker 3: So my question is, though, where does King James tie

1541
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:34,080
Speaker 3: into this? Because I know the Bible I have in

1542
01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:36,840
Speaker 3: my car right now, it's the King James version. Yes,

1543
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:38,160
Speaker 3: so where does where does that?

1544
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:38,720
Speaker 1: So he.

1545
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 2: Ordered because King James, for political reasons, had to be

1546
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:48,000
Speaker 2: the head of the church. Right, the Lean Church diverges

1547
01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:49,800
Speaker 2: from Rome and says no, the king is going to

1548
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 2: be the head of the Anglican Church. So he had

1549
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:54,600
Speaker 2: to have his own translation, right, and he wanted he

1550
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 2: really wanted his name in it too. That's why the

1551
01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:58,840
Speaker 2: Book of James is named after him, by the way.

1552
01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:00,679
Speaker 2: I don't know if you knew that or not, because

1553
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 2: in in his original language, James is Yakov, right, So

1554
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:07,320
Speaker 2: it has nothing to do with James, but they've managed

1555
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 2: to translate Yakov.

1556
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:10,840
Speaker 1: Right.

1557
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 2: So so he ordered the translation and a lot of

1558
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:17,559
Speaker 2: Jewish scholars are also part of that, by the way.

1559
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:20,719
Speaker 2: So the origins of it, basically it was a commission

1560
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:23,920
Speaker 2: by the by the king, right, and it became kind

1561
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:27,200
Speaker 2: of like the go to from from that point on,

1562
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 2: just because it was sanctioned by by by it and

1563
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:36,320
Speaker 2: it's considered it's considered the authoritative translation from the original

1564
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 2: languages to to English.

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01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:39,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, so how can I be?

1566
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:41,920
Speaker 3: I just get worried because he was the one that

1567
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 3: then picked out the order of the books and then

1568
01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:46,720
Speaker 3: like what books would be prevalent in it? So are

1569
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:48,599
Speaker 3: there any missing books?

1570
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:53,839
Speaker 2: So you you have books that are apocryphal, considered apocrapha

1571
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:58,000
Speaker 2: meaning outside of being necessarily divine, right, So.

1572
01:28:58,120 --> 01:29:00,360
Speaker 3: Kind of like if we're talking about fictional stuff, the

1573
01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:01,760
Speaker 3: canon events.

1574
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:06,040
Speaker 2: The canon was was was determined muturelier. The canon the

1575
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:10,840
Speaker 2: canon formation goes back to the early Church fathers and

1576
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:14,080
Speaker 2: you know, early centuries. That's never to do with King James.

1577
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 2: He just he took the can He took the books

1578
01:29:16,479 --> 01:29:20,439
Speaker 2: that are basically established as canon. And now the Catholic

1579
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:24,200
Speaker 2: Bible does include what we considered apocrypher historic books that

1580
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 2: are an apocrypha. But the thirty nine books of the

1581
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:30,320
Speaker 2: Old Testament, the twenty seven of the New Testament was

1582
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:32,880
Speaker 2: something that he worked. He was already determined. He didn't

1583
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 2: he didn't pick and choose those books.

1584
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:39,200
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Yeah, but it does go into this conversation

1585
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:43,000
Speaker 1: we're having about what people are reading. The real issue

1586
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 1: is how do they read what they're reading. Let's just

1587
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:49,920
Speaker 1: assume that there's a constancy, and we're talking about this

1588
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:54,920
Speaker 1: disagreement and what and you're being very frank about it.

1589
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 1: You're saying it's okay with you. You're not looking for

1590
01:29:57,040 --> 01:29:59,439
Speaker 1: a fight with people. Now, you're just saying, from your

1591
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:03,439
Speaker 1: perspective of that's not how you're reading the text. We

1592
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:06,160
Speaker 1: talk a lot about on this podcast about street corners.

1593
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:08,920
Speaker 1: There can be a lot of difference. There's four street.

1594
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:13,240
Speaker 1: It's like if you're judging a boxing match. Okay, if

1595
01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:17,280
Speaker 1: you watch an interaction from two different parts of the ring,

1596
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:21,200
Speaker 1: they look completely different. What ends up happening. I think

1597
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:26,280
Speaker 1: what's dangerous is that secret societies can capture the word

1598
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:30,800
Speaker 1: in Hebrew, Jewish people, Christian people, they can capture it,

1599
01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:35,040
Speaker 1: and then they can use the word, use it, and

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01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:37,160
Speaker 1: there's great power in it. For example, we were talking

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01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:44,760
Speaker 1: about healing. You're talking about you know those attributes, supernatural attributes,

1602
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:48,559
Speaker 1: you know, healing, supernatural healing. That is part and parcel

1603
01:30:48,920 --> 01:30:53,080
Speaker 1: with reading the text. A lot of people read that

1604
01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:55,880
Speaker 1: and they don't see that exactly. So I see that,

1605
01:30:56,720 --> 01:30:59,720
Speaker 1: you know, and I live it. So but I could

1606
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:02,320
Speaker 1: tell to somebody else and they go, man, you're crazy. Yeah,

1607
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:03,280
Speaker 1: we have to.

1608
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 2: The only way we can find, let's say the unified

1609
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 2: Christian West is not to go after the Jewish question.

1610
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:12,960
Speaker 2: So to say this is this is a recipe for disaster.

1611
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:17,720
Speaker 2: Right the core and this is true for history as well.

1612
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:22,760
Speaker 2: The core believes should be the Creator. You know, if

1613
01:31:22,760 --> 01:31:25,320
Speaker 2: we believe in the Creator, if we believe in the

1614
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:28,840
Speaker 2: divinely inspired Word of God, if we believe in there's

1615
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 2: some just fundamentals, there's basic.

1616
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:33,439
Speaker 1: Core redemption, the redemption.

1617
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:36,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, these are the important big ticket items that we

1618
01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:38,120
Speaker 2: call them, right, that that are in the core of

1619
01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:43,080
Speaker 2: the faith. Those core beliefs are equally true for Christianity.

1620
01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:46,920
Speaker 2: For example, love your neighbors yourself is not a Christian invention.

1621
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:50,280
Speaker 2: This was this comes from Leviticus. This is this is

1622
01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:52,840
Speaker 2: not a Christian thing. This is a rabbi retelling the

1623
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:56,679
Speaker 2: book of Leviticus. So why would I not have something

1624
01:31:56,760 --> 01:31:59,559
Speaker 2: in common with my Jewish brothers and sisters just because

1625
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:03,799
Speaker 2: they agree that Jesus is the fulfillment of the Messianic prophecy.

1626
01:32:04,200 --> 01:32:07,160
Speaker 2: That's fine. They can disagree and they can seek in

1627
01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:10,000
Speaker 2: their own way, they can examine scriptures. We can argue

1628
01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:13,040
Speaker 2: about it, but at the end of the day, we're

1629
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:16,920
Speaker 2: asking the same God to help guide us to help

1630
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:18,320
Speaker 2: with their moral condition.

1631
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:18,880
Speaker 1: Right.

1632
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:22,120
Speaker 2: And you live in a hostile world again, I'm very

1633
01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:25,000
Speaker 2: much about what's the reality on the ground. You live

1634
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:28,200
Speaker 2: in a world full of wars and and you know,

1635
01:32:28,439 --> 01:32:32,400
Speaker 2: desire for one group to extinguish another, right to destroy another.

1636
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:35,680
Speaker 2: So in this world you got to make up your mind.

1637
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:40,120
Speaker 2: Who are my allies? Who am I ally with ideologically, spiritually,

1638
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 2: philosophically right, and if you missed that big picture, to me,

1639
01:32:45,320 --> 01:32:46,639
Speaker 2: that's it's just that's.

1640
01:32:46,479 --> 01:32:49,760
Speaker 1: A great point. That's a great point to let this

1641
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:52,799
Speaker 1: be a springboard to your next visit. Okay, my question

1642
01:32:53,320 --> 01:32:59,439
Speaker 1: is how do we unify the various factions in the

1643
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:02,360
Speaker 1: so called Mega movement or the Republican Party, Because if

1644
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:05,920
Speaker 1: we don't have unity, if we allow ourselves to continue

1645
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:10,960
Speaker 1: to be fractured, the communists will win, and the communist

1646
01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:13,640
Speaker 1: globalists and they know what they're doing, and they're all

1647
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:17,280
Speaker 1: too willing to exacerbate these tensions. And now we're all

1648
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:19,639
Speaker 1: on acts, are in digital and we don't know where

1649
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 1: these posts are coming from and who's posting and what

1650
01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:26,840
Speaker 1: their intent is. So you know, I'm I'm seen by

1651
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:30,240
Speaker 1: people in the Republican Party as being divisive, and that's

1652
01:33:30,280 --> 01:33:33,559
Speaker 1: because we don't agree. But that doesn't mean I don't

1653
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:36,960
Speaker 1: like these people or want to break bread with them.

1654
01:33:37,240 --> 01:33:39,800
Speaker 1: I have. Well that's not true. I met a couple,

1655
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:42,960
Speaker 1: but mostly the Republican people that don't agree with me,

1656
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:47,000
Speaker 1: I like them as people. I'm not opposed to them personally.

1657
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:50,640
Speaker 1: I don't take any of it personally. I'm looking for

1658
01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:53,559
Speaker 1: and this is very helpful. What are the big ticket

1659
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:55,839
Speaker 1: items that can bring us together.

1660
01:33:57,479 --> 01:34:01,400
Speaker 2: It's like we just dropped a bomb on Iran, right

1661
01:34:01,960 --> 01:34:04,760
Speaker 2: and we achieved better world peace, peace or strength was

1662
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:05,799
Speaker 2: just a great lesson.

1663
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:06,960
Speaker 1: So great.

1664
01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:12,439
Speaker 2: However, Uh, we do have existential issues here in the

1665
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:15,280
Speaker 2: United States. You know, you you remember what happened with

1666
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:20,559
Speaker 2: the riots around the George Floyd situations on the block right, right, exactly,

1667
01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:23,560
Speaker 2: So we do have existential we have on the inside.

1668
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:26,920
Speaker 2: Now these a breeding ground.

1669
01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:27,680
Speaker 1: Uh.

1670
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:30,160
Speaker 2: You know, every mosque, for example, is a is a

1671
01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:34,000
Speaker 2: military outpost, right that in doctrine AIDS the Infidel has

1672
01:34:34,040 --> 01:34:34,320
Speaker 2: to be in.

1673
01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:35,400
Speaker 1: The Infidel is a dog.

1674
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:38,400
Speaker 2: If you examine the Islamic ideology. I'm not talking about

1675
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:41,160
Speaker 2: Muslims who are peaceful and they're doing you know what

1676
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:43,680
Speaker 2: do they call reformed so to speak, Well, there's no

1677
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:45,719
Speaker 2: such thing as reformed. But that's a whole different story,

1678
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:47,200
Speaker 2: you know what I'm trying to say. Yeah, no, I

1679
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:51,640
Speaker 2: understand people people that are actually less less into the

1680
01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:54,800
Speaker 2: Muslim ideology or religion, they're more peaceful. The more the

1681
01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:57,040
Speaker 2: deeper you get into it, the more the more hot

1682
01:34:57,080 --> 01:34:59,599
Speaker 2: and yeah, hottest, you become jee hottest. Right, So every

1683
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:03,760
Speaker 2: Moscoe a breeding ground for this militant ideology when you

1684
01:35:03,880 --> 01:35:09,080
Speaker 2: take the the militant left, which is a terrorist left basically.

1685
01:35:08,840 --> 01:35:11,400
Speaker 1: Which is not allied with that middle allied. They've always

1686
01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:11,920
Speaker 1: been allied.

1687
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:16,080
Speaker 2: Right, We actually have existential issues we need to at home,

1688
01:35:16,360 --> 01:35:20,599
Speaker 2: We need exactly and so so again, what's the recipe.

1689
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:22,719
Speaker 2: I don't have the recipe, of course, but I believe

1690
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:26,880
Speaker 2: that you know the different maga you know movements, if

1691
01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:29,720
Speaker 2: you will, We need to agree that the number one

1692
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:33,800
Speaker 2: concern here is preserving America right, preserving it as the

1693
01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:36,960
Speaker 2: republic that that we believe in, and it was given

1694
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:37,360
Speaker 2: to us.

1695
01:35:37,479 --> 01:35:39,880
Speaker 1: There was that that we see in the writings.

1696
01:35:39,479 --> 01:35:42,160
Speaker 2: Of the Foundress and the Federalist papers and the Constitution,

1697
01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:46,200
Speaker 2: that historical you know, gift that's been given to us.

1698
01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:49,080
Speaker 2: We must fight for it here on our own turf, right,

1699
01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:53,400
Speaker 2: because there's this whole internal destructive force now that's been unleashed,

1700
01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:57,000
Speaker 2: and that's that we really should be re examining a

1701
01:35:57,120 --> 01:36:02,719
Speaker 2: whole stance in light of just a very basic existential threats.

1702
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:05,719
Speaker 1: And that's what the whole podcast is about, getting people

1703
01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:11,599
Speaker 1: off the couch and into politics politically active in the parties,

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01:36:12,320 --> 01:36:16,479
Speaker 1: so that a unity can develop around our constitution, around

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01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:21,120
Speaker 1: our phonding documents, because why because it identifies a creator

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01:36:21,720 --> 01:36:24,640
Speaker 1: that granted us unalienable rights, and that is something that

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01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:27,960
Speaker 1: needs preservation. Yes, for sure, I'm going to have you

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01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:30,400
Speaker 1: back if you'll come. This was great. Did you have

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01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:33,879
Speaker 1: a good time, Tanner? This was way better than no offense.

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Speaker 3: It's just sometimes talking about these kind of topics can

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01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:37,479
Speaker 3: get pretty like boring.

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Speaker 2: This was amazing.

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Speaker 4: I'm so happy that you're here. Well, I answered my

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01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:43,800
Speaker 4: question because you were the reason. It's like, hey, Tanner

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01:36:43,880 --> 01:36:46,120
Speaker 4: didn't get an answer to this question. So now I've

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01:36:46,280 --> 01:36:48,200
Speaker 4: I completed that part of the movie, So we'll work

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01:36:48,280 --> 01:36:51,040
Speaker 4: on We'll go on to number two. Well, there's more,

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01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:53,599
Speaker 4: David and I and I really applaud you for being

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01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:56,559
Speaker 4: that open minded. I wish our opponents were just as

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01:36:56,600 --> 01:36:59,840
Speaker 4: open minded, which they're not. They're just a hardcore ideaologues

1721
01:36:59,880 --> 01:37:02,599
Speaker 4: and times that. You know, the whole Cancel culture does

1722
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:06,880
Speaker 4: not want these conversations right. We must open an opportunity

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01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:08,840
Speaker 4: where all these perspective must be looked at.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: And like I said, I haven't been persecuted by a government.

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01:37:13,320 --> 01:37:16,080
Speaker 2: I know what that feels like as well. Right in

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01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:19,000
Speaker 2: Bulgaria when I grew at church from zero to one thousand,

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01:37:19,120 --> 01:37:21,800
Speaker 2: only to have the government shut me down. And for

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01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:25,000
Speaker 2: seven years I operated as a as an underground operation.

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Speaker 2: And let me just say, George, you're just a regular

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01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:29,360
Speaker 2: guy like me. In fact, George, and that the last

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01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:32,000
Speaker 2: time we saw each other, we moved a friend from

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01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:34,280
Speaker 2: one house to another, exactly. So we got up in

1734
01:37:34,320 --> 01:37:37,200
Speaker 2: the morning, we were lifting coaches together, exactly. And that's

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01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:39,360
Speaker 2: the last time. That's a long time ago. My point

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01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:42,960
Speaker 2: is all of the listeners and the viewers see the

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01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:48,800
Speaker 2: depth of George's study from his presentation. We're searching for

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01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:57,360
Speaker 2: truth here on this podcast. Freedom requires intent in scholarship

1739
01:37:57,720 --> 01:38:02,280
Speaker 2: and a continuous search for truth. And if we can

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01:38:02,479 --> 01:38:06,680
Speaker 2: come if we can come together as Republicans and I

1741
01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:10,200
Speaker 2: don't mean the party, I mean as citizens of the republic.

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01:38:11,160 --> 01:38:14,880
Speaker 2: Yet we have to search for these commonalities and unite

1743
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:17,680
Speaker 2: around them and understand. And I'm going to leave with this.

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01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:20,960
Speaker 2: You know, you talked about those bombs in Iran, and

1745
01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:23,439
Speaker 2: you said, but we have to really focus on our

1746
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:26,439
Speaker 2: own as an existential threat here in the United States.

1747
01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:29,400
Speaker 2: We have to get our own. You can bleep this out.

1748
01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:32,880
Speaker 1: We got to get our own together and not continuously

1749
01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:37,840
Speaker 1: get drained militarily and financially, because how can anybody be

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01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:41,240
Speaker 1: defended if we can't defend ourselves. I agree completely so

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01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:43,960
Speaker 1: on that NOE. Thank you for coming in and I

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01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:46,920
Speaker 1: have your commitment to come back. That's great. It was

1753
01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:49,920
Speaker 1: great to have you, Tanner. Thank you very much, of course,

1754
01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:52,000
Speaker 1: thank you, George, absolutely, Thanks Tanner.

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