WEBVTT - Liz

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<v Speaker 1>Liz Hiccox lives in Newport, Rhode Island, in a postcard

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<v Speaker 1>perfect New England cottage by the water, with her husband Brian,

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<v Speaker 1>and a black lab named Salty. She's an athlete. On

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<v Speaker 1>any given weekend, you'll probably find her on her bike

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<v Speaker 1>training for her next Iron Man. She's been a runner

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<v Speaker 1>for decades, finishing the New York City Marathon a dozen times,

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<v Speaker 1>but she didn't get on a racing bike until two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and fifteen, after she said she'd do this three

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<v Speaker 1>day charity ride for breast cancer survivors. I had a

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<v Speaker 1>very good friend who was a young survivor. She was

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<v Speaker 1>a mom of about thirty seven, two young kids, who

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<v Speaker 1>was diagnosed in her early thirties. And she would come

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<v Speaker 1>to me and asked for a donation. Every year she

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<v Speaker 1>would do this ride and I would write a check.

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<v Speaker 1>And then one year her friend couldn't participate, and I said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>when's the ride And she said some thirty days as well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll do it. And she said you have a bike,

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<v Speaker 1>and I said no. She borrowed her friends, crashed at

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<v Speaker 1>the first stop side and I came to I had

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<v Speaker 1>no idea how to shift or anything. I remember riding

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<v Speaker 1>to a hill and found some guy in stretchy shorts

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<v Speaker 1>and said, could you please help me figure out to

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<v Speaker 1>shift this? I don't know how to do this. So

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<v Speaker 1>I went out and trained every day for thirty days.

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<v Speaker 1>She was hooked on both the bike and the organization.

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<v Speaker 1>She met women who said making the ride was the

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<v Speaker 1>goal that had gotten them through chemo. She saw how

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<v Speaker 1>they drew strength from this shared accomplishment, even if they

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<v Speaker 1>could only make it a few miles. The whole experience

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<v Speaker 1>was honestly life changing. And I said to Brian and said,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got to do this. This was a really important event.

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<v Speaker 1>And I couldn't feel more strongly that you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>need to take part in it. And then the next

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<v Speaker 1>year he did. In late September two thousen, a streak

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<v Speaker 1>of tendonitis sidelined her for the Breast Cancer Ride, so

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<v Speaker 1>she volunteered to help at the rest stops, where women

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<v Speaker 1>would take breaks for water and snacks. Everyone's patting each

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<v Speaker 1>on their backs, saying you got this. This is incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>People are singing and cheering, you know, saying, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that was so hard or that was so easy.

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<v Speaker 1>As the day was winding down, another cyclist came up

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<v Speaker 1>to Liz and asked her a favor. There's a young

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<v Speaker 1>woman that's coming in and she's at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the pack and she's missed all of the photographers and

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<v Speaker 1>it's her first ride, and we'd really like to get

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<v Speaker 1>her picture. Would you mind snapping a picture for her?

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<v Speaker 1>Can I remember? She said? She has a pink sock

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<v Speaker 1>and she has a green sock on. The woman said

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<v Speaker 1>the writer's name was Sarah, and she had recently been

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<v Speaker 1>diagnosed with stage four breast cancer and that she hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>even told her husband yet. Her husband was away overseas.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a pilot, and she had gotten the news

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<v Speaker 1>while he was away on this particular trip. During this event,

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<v Speaker 1>she had gotten the news that her cancer had progressed,

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<v Speaker 1>and she just didn't know how she was going to

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<v Speaker 1>tell him. Liz felt for Sarah. About twenty minutes later,

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<v Speaker 1>a woman with mis match box came riding by. She

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<v Speaker 1>had flown past me and gone into the rest stop,

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<v Speaker 1>and I said, oh my gosh, you must be Sarah.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, can you need me a favor? I said,

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<v Speaker 1>can you go back out, turn around and ride back

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<v Speaker 1>in because I had one job, and I was to

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<v Speaker 1>get your picture, and she laughed, and she did, and

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<v Speaker 1>she she came back in and I snapped her photo,

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<v Speaker 1>and I said, what's your number? I'm going to text

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<v Speaker 1>it to you. As the months passed, their friendship grew,

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<v Speaker 1>with message exchanges quickly ballooning from one a day to

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes a hundred or more. Sarah did have a way

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<v Speaker 1>of quickly turning a casual text feed into an emotional avalanche.

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<v Speaker 1>The following spring, Sarah told Liz there was a more

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<v Speaker 1>immediate threat to her life even than cancer, a stalker,

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<v Speaker 1>someone obsessed with her good looking husband. She said that

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<v Speaker 1>she was smitten with her husband and that she was

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<v Speaker 1>sending him messages saying that after Sarah was gone, they'd

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<v Speaker 1>be together, and she was saying to Sarah, You're not

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<v Speaker 1>pretty enough for him. This hit Liz hard. She had

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<v Speaker 1>told Sarah that when she was nineteen, a classmate of

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<v Speaker 1>hers had been killed by a stalker. Over the course

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<v Speaker 1>of the next forty eight hours or so, Sarah would

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<v Speaker 1>tell me, I'm at the gym. Oh my gosh, she's outside.

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<v Speaker 1>She's I can see her parked out there. She's looking

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<v Speaker 1>at me. She even sent Liz a video when she

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to dodge her. She's wearing a scarf wrapped

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<v Speaker 1>around her head and glistening with sweat while she's at

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<v Speaker 1>the gym. Sarah's out of breath, but her voice is confident,

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<v Speaker 1>even defiant. I'm not gonna let her take this away

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<v Speaker 1>from me. I'm bigger than that. So for forty eight hours,

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<v Speaker 1>she had me wrapped in this web of drama of

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<v Speaker 1>high intensity with this stalker who was now attacking my friend,

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<v Speaker 1>who I thought was already under attack of a terminal illness.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't breathe, my chest was heavy. The next day,

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah told Liz she wanted to face time with her.

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<v Speaker 1>As she walked out of a Walmart and she said, Liz,

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<v Speaker 1>she's there. I said, what do you mean? And says,

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<v Speaker 1>she's there between the cars by my car. What do

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<v Speaker 1>I do? I said, you need to run into the store.

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<v Speaker 1>And so she ran into the store and she said,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, she has a gun. The phone went

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<v Speaker 1>dead for more than a minute, with Liz frantic on

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<v Speaker 1>the other end. Then she got a text and she

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<v Speaker 1>said they got her. Seven people were shot. She said,

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<v Speaker 1>I took a bullet in the knee. Sarah told Liz.

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<v Speaker 1>She was in an ambulance. A couple of days later,

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<v Speaker 1>to get more details about the shooting, Liz's husband Brian

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<v Speaker 1>called up a friend in law enforcement, a guy named Tom,

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<v Speaker 1>And as I'm talking on the phone, I said, oh wait,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, I've never actually googled Sarah's name. I

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<v Speaker 1>should probably do that. He typed Sarah de Lashman into

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<v Speaker 1>this search. Barn I said, Holy sh it, Tom, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Laura Beale. You're listening to Sympathy Pains. This is episode

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<v Speaker 1>three Liz. Liz and Brian are one of those couples

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<v Speaker 1>who actually found true love in a bar, in the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest pickup bar you could ever meet, in Wellington, Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>It was April of two thousand five. Liz is an equestrian,

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<v Speaker 1>and she was in Florida competing at a horse show.

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<v Speaker 1>I was leaving to go home to Rhode Island the

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<v Speaker 1>next day, literally less than twelve hours later, and he

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<v Speaker 1>had just arrived in Florida. He was the only guy

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<v Speaker 1>there that you know, probably had a pickup truck and

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<v Speaker 1>a yellow lab and I was definitely the only girl

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<v Speaker 1>there in a baseball hat and jeans. He um vaguely

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<v Speaker 1>reminded me of Kenny Chesney, and that was a good

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<v Speaker 1>thing at that point in my life. She was a

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<v Speaker 1>New York City native who had left the city for

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<v Speaker 1>good after nine eleven. He was working in Florida for

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<v Speaker 1>Merrill Lynch. He came up for a couple of dates

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<v Speaker 1>in Newport and he said, you know what, I can

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<v Speaker 1>really live here. And then literally after three dates, I

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<v Speaker 1>said to him, you can. You can be my boyfriend

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<v Speaker 1>if you want, but you have to move here, and

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<v Speaker 1>he did. They married after dating for about a year

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<v Speaker 1>and a half and ended up founding a financial services

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<v Speaker 1>business together in Rhode Island. Every winter, they relocate to

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<v Speaker 1>a rented bungalow in Florida, just a mile from shore

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<v Speaker 1>on the Intercoastal Waterway. You pretty much wake up every

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<v Speaker 1>day and I love our life. Back in the fall

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<v Speaker 1>of two thousand and eighteen, after the bike ride where

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<v Speaker 1>she met Sarah, Liz started noticing Sarah's posts on the

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<v Speaker 1>organization's private Facebook group, pictures of herself sitting in what

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<v Speaker 1>looked like um hospital bed with tubes running and taped

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<v Speaker 1>her shirt, wearing a cancer scarf with you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>thumbs up or so. A lot of times She would

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<v Speaker 1>have headphones on and she would say, you know, getting

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<v Speaker 1>getting the juice today, looking for prayers and support, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>going in for a scan today, you know, wish me luck.

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<v Speaker 1>They touched me because I knew of her as a

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<v Speaker 1>young mom whose husband was away, who was battling stage

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<v Speaker 1>four cancer, and I felt completely helpless. It's something that

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<v Speaker 1>spoke to me. For several weeks after the bike ride,

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<v Speaker 1>Liz would write messages of support under the photos. Christmas

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<v Speaker 1>time came. One day in December, Liz pulled a handful

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<v Speaker 1>of holiday envelopes out of her mailbox and found a

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<v Speaker 1>card from Sarah, a photo card of perhaps nine photos

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<v Speaker 1>a little girl with one of those giant bows on

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<v Speaker 1>her head, and she had little white socks on and

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<v Speaker 1>black Patton white or black Patent leather shoes, like little

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<v Speaker 1>girl shoes. And that was the Christmas card from Sarah

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<v Speaker 1>James and Bindy, her fourteen month old daughter. And I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>oh cute when I saved it. And shortly thereafter, probably

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<v Speaker 1>literally days later, Brian and I left for Florida for

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<v Speaker 1>the winter. We pack up our house, we head down south,

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<v Speaker 1>we take our office, we take our dog, and we

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<v Speaker 1>literally kind of move our work home life for a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of months during the winter. In January, Liz got

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<v Speaker 1>a message from Sarah through Facebook Messenger. It said her

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<v Speaker 1>cancer had progressed and she had tumors in her liver

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<v Speaker 1>and brain. After that, Liz and Sarah began exchanging notes

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<v Speaker 1>almost every day. As soon as someone messages me, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I have to get right back to them

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<v Speaker 1>where they're going to be insulted or hurt in some way,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, I would respond, which would prompt another

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<v Speaker 1>response from her, And lots of conversations and dare's her

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<v Speaker 1>need to get more regular at this point, and we

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<v Speaker 1>were just talking about life and her chemo and her treatment.

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<v Speaker 1>Weeks of message exchanges drew them closer as Sarah underwent

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<v Speaker 1>grueling treatments. Liz wrote encouragement, you got this, and she

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<v Speaker 1>started calling Sarah's sister friend, trying to make her feel loved.

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<v Speaker 1>In February of two thousand nineteen, Sarah said she was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be in southern Florida that she worked as

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<v Speaker 1>a flight attendant, which allowed her easy travel. She wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to visit Liz and Brian, saying I'm going to take

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<v Speaker 1>a chance here and I'm going to drive up and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to see you. And part of me was like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>you know she trust me enough. That's that's really great.

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<v Speaker 1>This woman who is, you know, fighting for her life

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<v Speaker 1>every day, values me and trusts me enough and us

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<v Speaker 1>to come visit us. And I was a little nervous

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<v Speaker 1>about that, excited and honestly honored, and at that point

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of became my duty to make sure she

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<v Speaker 1>had a wonderful experience. And I had to say to her.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, Sarah, you know, we have a very small

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<v Speaker 1>cottage here. It's just one bedroom. We don't even have

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<v Speaker 1>a couch. But Liz's mother, Maggie, a Florida retiree, lived nearby.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the main reason they headed south every year.

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<v Speaker 1>So she calls me up and I picked up the phone. Hello.

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<v Speaker 1>She asked me if she could have a friend of hers,

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<v Speaker 1>who she met on this spike ride, come and spend

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<v Speaker 1>the weekend with us, because after rule, she doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>enough room in her place. She said, Mom, Sarah is

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<v Speaker 1>final stage cancer. And as soon as I heard that,

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<v Speaker 1>my heart dropped, my stomach left and it was like, Elizabeth, fine,

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<v Speaker 1>she can't come, Okay, no problem. So that's where Sarah stayed,

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<v Speaker 1>she wanted to do a try etheln and she wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to be like my daughter Elizabeth. We thought we were

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<v Speaker 1>going to give her a life changing experience in a weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>Liz hadn't seen Sarah in person since the bike ride

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<v Speaker 1>where they met. She arrived wearing a scarf around her

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<v Speaker 1>head and a wig. Brian, Liz, and Sarah spent the

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<v Speaker 1>next day cycling around Jupiter Island, a perfect Florida winter

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<v Speaker 1>day with a warm sun and an ocean breeze. Sarah

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to struggle but made the ride. We went back

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<v Speaker 1>to our house, the cottage, and she went back to

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<v Speaker 1>my parents house where she was going to go home,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, shower up, get ready for dinner. I think

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<v Speaker 1>she said she needed to take a nap and call

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<v Speaker 1>her husband, etcetera. By now, my mother is completely enchanted

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<v Speaker 1>with her, and I think at this point Sarah is

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<v Speaker 1>already calling her mom. My mother is one of the

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<v Speaker 1>kindest people on this earth and is getting up in

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<v Speaker 1>the morning before Sarah rides and making sure she has

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<v Speaker 1>a full breakfast. That evening, Brian and Liz stopped and

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<v Speaker 1>bought fresh fish. Brian made tacos for dinner. Afterwards, they

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<v Speaker 1>sat in their backyard at the water's edge, under the

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<v Speaker 1>shade of a bishop wood tree. It's a really peaceful place.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a hammock there, and Sarah sat in the hammock

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<v Speaker 1>and she said, this is now my happy place. Remember

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<v Speaker 1>giving her a margarite to thinking, oh my gosh, is

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<v Speaker 1>this okay? Can I do this? And candidly I needed

0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:34.719
<v Speaker 1>that margharita myself so much because this dress was so

0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:39.120
<v Speaker 1>great about you have someone's life in your hands. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>this woman is battling a terminal illness, and here I

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<v Speaker 1>am giving her a margharita. Is it okay? They sipped

0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:50.640
<v Speaker 1>their cocktails and talked about life and death. Remember, she

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<v Speaker 1>said to me, I don't want to be forgotten. I

0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:55.920
<v Speaker 1>was sitting in kind of beach chair and I looked

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<v Speaker 1>over at the one of the palm trees that's by

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<v Speaker 1>the water, and I thought, my goodness forgotten. Like just

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<v Speaker 1>imagine being a young mom, a wife and thinking two

0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:10.600
<v Speaker 1>years from now people might not remember me. That just

0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:15.040
<v Speaker 1>really got me. Monday morning came time for Sarah to leave.

0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:19.480
<v Speaker 1>Liz and Brian had to work. As Sarah left, they

0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:21.960
<v Speaker 1>stood in front of the house and pose for pictures,

0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:24.840
<v Speaker 1>the three of them and the dog. We all had

0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:28.840
<v Speaker 1>our arms around each other, you know, we literally hugged

0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:30.800
<v Speaker 1>her like we didn't know if we were going to

0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:35.880
<v Speaker 1>see her again. It was very emotional. I remember her tears. Yeah, Um,

0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:39.680
<v Speaker 1>she started to cry, and I mean, I know Lizzie did,

0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:42.960
<v Speaker 1>and I would have had a at least a tear drop.

0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:50.640
<v Speaker 1>Sarah got in her rented car and drove off. We

0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:56.920
<v Speaker 1>are just honestly exhausted from caring about her, from talking,

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<v Speaker 1>from crying, worrying, and we sat in the backyard and

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<v Speaker 1>oh my gosh, I'm just exhausted. And then around five

0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:09.040
<v Speaker 1>pm that evening we got a text, a text from

0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:12.280
<v Speaker 1>her saying, guess what, guys, my flight was canceled. I'm

0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:17.640
<v Speaker 1>coming back. We can have fish tacos again. And honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>at that moment, I looked at Brian and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my gosh, I don't know if if I can.

0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:25.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't find the energy, you know, but what we

0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:29.320
<v Speaker 1>have to do this. Sarah stayed the extra night. The

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<v Speaker 1>next weekend. Liz's mom was doing a triathlon that week.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian got a text from Sarah saying, Hey, I'd like

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<v Speaker 1>to come down this weekend to cheer on Mom. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I said, I fully understand. I mean, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>Mom has given you a lot to Sarah and and

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that was very nice. It was probably what

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<v Speaker 1>six o'clock or so in the morning on the day

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<v Speaker 1>of the race, and I knew that Sarah was on

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<v Speaker 1>her way, but he didn't mention anything to live or

0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:03.920
<v Speaker 1>her mom. He wanted Sarah's second visit to be a surprise.

0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:07.360
<v Speaker 1>I remember putting my mom's bike helmet on her, like

0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:09.480
<v Speaker 1>dropping it on her, and I just thought the irony,

0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:11.960
<v Speaker 1>like here I am putting my mom's bike helmet on,

0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:14.800
<v Speaker 1>like she's my kid, you know, she's seventy seven years old.

0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:17.160
<v Speaker 1>And someone topped me on the shoulder from behind me

0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:22.920
<v Speaker 1>and lo and behold, who's there but Sarah. Sarah had

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<v Speaker 1>flown in the night before, stayed in a hotel in

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<v Speaker 1>Fort Lauderdale, and drove up from Fort Laiderdale to Stewart

0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:34.480
<v Speaker 1>to be there at six o'clock in the morning to

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<v Speaker 1>be at my first triathlon. Elizabeth had made T shirts

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<v Speaker 1>for me, and on the back of the T shirt

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<v Speaker 1>it said te Meg's te for Team Meg's, m Ags

0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:54.840
<v Speaker 1>for Maggie and you know, who also had the same

0:16:54.880 --> 0:17:00.880
<v Speaker 1>T shirt Sarah. Maggie was touched. She must really adore

0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:04.119
<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth to do something like that, and she doesn't think

0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:08.200
<v Speaker 1>too badly of me either. Is just you know, hey,

0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:11.080
<v Speaker 1>I can't even get my husband to get up at

0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:14.080
<v Speaker 1>six in the morning to go to Marathon's with me.

0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:19.720
<v Speaker 1>So there was another Sarah weekend the bike's Hammock Tacos.

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<v Speaker 1>We just took her out solely on the boat to

0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:26.639
<v Speaker 1>see the flying Fish that Saturday night. Sitting on the

0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:31.160
<v Speaker 1>couch with Maggie's Chihuahua Pedro in her lap, Sarah calmly

0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:34.720
<v Speaker 1>talked about a stalker that was after her. He felt

0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:38.439
<v Speaker 1>sorry for this girl with the stalk rafter and dying

0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:43.400
<v Speaker 1>a cancer and with the wig and this and all that,

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<v Speaker 1>and all she was trying to do was do a

0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:51.440
<v Speaker 1>triathlon before she died. Sensing that Sarah was working her

0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:55.080
<v Speaker 1>way deeper into the family, Brian made it clear to

0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:58.560
<v Speaker 1>Sarah that she absolutely could not come for a third

0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:01.639
<v Speaker 1>weekend in a row. My father was coming in for

0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:04.280
<v Speaker 1>a visit with his his girlfriend at the time, and

0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:07.080
<v Speaker 1>next weekend, just you can't, you can't come, you know,

0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:08.960
<v Speaker 1>not that we've been making plans for it, but just

0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:13.600
<v Speaker 1>like we can't have a a surprise, but this was Sarah.

0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Sarah was full of surprises. The last weekend in February

0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:23.679
<v Speaker 1>two thou nineteen was a family gathering for Liz and Brian.

0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:27.639
<v Speaker 1>Brian's dad was visiting. They went fishing in the boat

0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:30.720
<v Speaker 1>that anchors just off their backyard. They caught a tuna

0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:33.760
<v Speaker 1>and came back to the dock. I just put the

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<v Speaker 1>fish down, and that's when she walked in the backyard

0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:42.439
<v Speaker 1>and I'll just never forget the hi guys. And I

0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:45.600
<v Speaker 1>looked up and I sare and I did not say

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<v Speaker 1>a word. I just kind of walked past her. I

0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:52.800
<v Speaker 1>walked to the house and I took a moment, and

0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:56.120
<v Speaker 1>Lizzie came in a minute or so later, and she

0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:58.919
<v Speaker 1>kind of yelled at me, and she said, you you

0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:00.880
<v Speaker 1>can't be rude like that, and I said, I'll be fine.

0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:02.720
<v Speaker 1>I just I just need a minute. She was not

0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:05.399
<v Speaker 1>welcome for the weekend, but I'm not gonna say anything.

0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:08.080
<v Speaker 1>And so she spent the weekend you know, with me

0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:11.200
<v Speaker 1>and my father and us, and she crashed our family

0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:15.560
<v Speaker 1>reunion in every way. But they made the best of it.

0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:17.960
<v Speaker 1>And by this time she's gotten to be one of

0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:21.840
<v Speaker 1>the family. Pago looks for a When Sarah pulled up

0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:26.080
<v Speaker 1>to the house, Maggie noticed something different about her rental car.

0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:29.480
<v Speaker 1>It had a bike rack and strapped to it. It

0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:31.880
<v Speaker 1>was a beautiful bike. It looked like it was brand new.

0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:35.760
<v Speaker 1>I think it was maroon, and they're not cheap, these

0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:42.600
<v Speaker 1>marathon bikes. Brian and Liz made it clear in the

0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:45.959
<v Speaker 1>starkest of terms that she could not come back for

0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:49.240
<v Speaker 1>yet another weekend, telling her as much as I would

0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:53.160
<v Speaker 1>love to see you next weekend, I really need to focus.

0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:55.560
<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen any of my friends or family. I

0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:59.359
<v Speaker 1>haven't been able to do any work. I have my

0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:02.800
<v Speaker 1>own races. I needed trade for next weekend. I need

0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:07.080
<v Speaker 1>just to catch up. I've been the worst friend. I

0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:10.840
<v Speaker 1>haven't seen my parents alone. They told Sarah they had

0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:14.920
<v Speaker 1>plans a good friend was getting married. I've missed all

0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:18.480
<v Speaker 1>of the bridal things that my dear friend needs me

0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:21.719
<v Speaker 1>to do. I need this weekend to myself. But Sarah

0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:27.080
<v Speaker 1>burrowed into Lizz's life anyway. It was early March two

0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:31.360
<v Speaker 1>thousand nineteen when Liz first started getting messages about her stalker.

0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:35.000
<v Speaker 1>Sarah wrote, I'm hiding in the bathtub. I cam afraid

0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:39.320
<v Speaker 1>to leave my house. And then from Sarah's husband James,

0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:43.240
<v Speaker 1>messaging me when she's not saying she's having a panic attack.

0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:45.800
<v Speaker 1>You're the only person that can talk to her. She'll

0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:49.959
<v Speaker 1>only listen to you. For two days, Liz was sucked

0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:54.199
<v Speaker 1>into the vortex of Sarah in trouble, culminating with the

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<v Speaker 1>shooting at an Illinois Walmart. I'm absolutely exhausted because been

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<v Speaker 1>forty eight hours of the stalker chasing her, following her,

0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:09.199
<v Speaker 1>threatening her, and now you know, chasing her down to

0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:12.320
<v Speaker 1>the walmart and showing up with a gun after her

0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:15.960
<v Speaker 1>and there's shots fired. I'm exhausted. I just can't even

0:21:16.040 --> 0:21:20.960
<v Speaker 1>believe what just happened. But something about it struck Brian

0:21:21.119 --> 0:21:26.200
<v Speaker 1>as off. We are starting to, of course, look for

0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:29.159
<v Speaker 1>any record of a shooting at at a Walmart in

0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:31.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, in Illinois, where seven people are shy like

0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:35.159
<v Speaker 1>you're going to see something in the news, and nothing

0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:37.480
<v Speaker 1>was in the news, and we found that to be strange.

0:21:37.960 --> 0:21:41.400
<v Speaker 1>Sarah had an explanation. She said the FBI was trying

0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:43.600
<v Speaker 1>to keep it quiet that they had told her to

0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:46.600
<v Speaker 1>go to the store to lure the stalker out. What

0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:49.440
<v Speaker 1>she didn't know was that Liz and Brian had a

0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:55.439
<v Speaker 1>friend with FBI connections. Their friend Tom, our friend, openly laughed.

0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:58.200
<v Speaker 1>He's like, that's not how it works. He made a

0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:01.399
<v Speaker 1>quick call to the local station there and they said, no,

0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:04.000
<v Speaker 1>there's there hasn't been a shooting here, you know, maybe

0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:07.439
<v Speaker 1>maybe not ever. And that is when Brian began to

0:22:07.520 --> 0:22:11.119
<v Speaker 1>ask a question, a question that many people had asked

0:22:11.119 --> 0:22:17.040
<v Speaker 1>before him and would ask later. Who is Sarah Delashman.

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<v Speaker 1>It was March seventh, two. Brian Hickocks was on his

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<v Speaker 1>phone in the backyard pacing. After learning from his law

0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:38.439
<v Speaker 1>enforcement friend that there had been no Walmart shooting, Brian

0:22:38.560 --> 0:22:41.760
<v Speaker 1>googled Sarah's name on his phone. He clicked on the

0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:45.920
<v Speaker 1>first hit. The first article that came up was that

0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:49.639
<v Speaker 1>there's a record of Sarah losing her nursing license in

0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:53.399
<v Speaker 1>the state of Virginia. The document was from almost five

0:22:53.480 --> 0:22:59.679
<v Speaker 1>years earlier, dated July two, fourteen. Sarah was living in Virginia.

0:23:00.320 --> 0:23:02.960
<v Speaker 1>That's where she met Naomi, the college student who tried

0:23:03.000 --> 0:23:06.919
<v Speaker 1>to support her through miscarriages and an abusive boyfriend. The

0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:10.960
<v Speaker 1>Virginian Nursing Board was pulling Sara's license because they learned

0:23:11.000 --> 0:23:12.960
<v Speaker 1>that she had lost her license in the state of

0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma earlier that year. Document said that Sara was working

0:23:18.040 --> 0:23:21.000
<v Speaker 1>as a nurse in the neonatal Intensive Care unit at

0:23:21.000 --> 0:23:24.920
<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma University Medical Center in the fall of two thousand twelve.

0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:28.840
<v Speaker 1>During that time, over a period of about four months,

0:23:28.880 --> 0:23:31.800
<v Speaker 1>she started stuffing pillows under her clothes so she would

0:23:31.800 --> 0:23:34.959
<v Speaker 1>look pregnant. She showed her co workers copies of an

0:23:35.040 --> 0:23:39.120
<v Speaker 1>ultrasound of twins, and then at some point she said

0:23:39.160 --> 0:23:42.359
<v Speaker 1>she had delivered the twins prematurely and they had died.

0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:46.879
<v Speaker 1>The report also said it was the second time she

0:23:46.960 --> 0:23:50.720
<v Speaker 1>had faked a pregnancy as a nurse. In her testimony

0:23:50.720 --> 0:23:53.199
<v Speaker 1>to the nursing board, she said she pretended to be

0:23:53.320 --> 0:23:56.440
<v Speaker 1>pregnant to make friends, that she had seen how much

0:23:56.480 --> 0:24:00.439
<v Speaker 1>support women got when they lost a baby. Faced with

0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:03.399
<v Speaker 1>the discipline that could result from a formal hearing, she

0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:09.000
<v Speaker 1>surrendered her Oklahoma nursing license on May two, fourteen. If

0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:11.960
<v Speaker 1>she wanted to get her license back, the board recommended

0:24:12.000 --> 0:24:18.040
<v Speaker 1>a psychiatric evaluation. Standing under the bishop Wood tree, staring

0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:22.000
<v Speaker 1>at his phone, Brian was astonished. I walked back into

0:24:22.040 --> 0:24:25.040
<v Speaker 1>the house and I said, Lizzie do not contact her again.

0:24:25.080 --> 0:24:27.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't know really what's up. But she's not who

0:24:27.600 --> 0:24:30.679
<v Speaker 1>she says she is, and we don't need to be

0:24:30.680 --> 0:24:34.720
<v Speaker 1>communicating with her. I don't believe that the shooting actually happened.

0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:38.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that you know, anything happened. She looked

0:24:38.000 --> 0:24:41.000
<v Speaker 1>at him with a confused stare that said, what are

0:24:41.040 --> 0:24:45.520
<v Speaker 1>you talking about? It was not really even even to

0:24:45.600 --> 0:24:48.959
<v Speaker 1>process it. I was still literally in shock for probably

0:24:49.040 --> 0:24:52.760
<v Speaker 1>forty eight hours after that. I mean I was on empty.

0:24:53.840 --> 0:24:57.520
<v Speaker 1>I had had, you know, four days of really heavy,

0:24:57.720 --> 0:25:03.080
<v Speaker 1>exhausting emotion. Then Brian remembered the text with James, Sarah's

0:25:03.080 --> 0:25:07.280
<v Speaker 1>supposed husband. They had been corresponding since Sarah's second visit.

0:25:07.720 --> 0:25:10.120
<v Speaker 1>But I had already been thinking that James was not real.

0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:12.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, it was three weekends in a row that

0:25:12.800 --> 0:25:15.560
<v Speaker 1>she was coming down to Florida like that. You know,

0:25:15.600 --> 0:25:18.480
<v Speaker 1>you want to leave a legacy for your daughter. You

0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:21.760
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be wanting to leave your daughter first. He tried

0:25:21.760 --> 0:25:24.919
<v Speaker 1>an oblique approach. Sarah had told Liz and Brian that

0:25:24.960 --> 0:25:28.200
<v Speaker 1>her husband was an mm A fighter, So Brian sent

0:25:28.280 --> 0:25:31.960
<v Speaker 1>a message to James, Hey, I'm a big fan of UFC.

0:25:32.400 --> 0:25:35.280
<v Speaker 1>How do I find your fights. When that didn't get

0:25:35.280 --> 0:25:38.360
<v Speaker 1>a response, he just said out right, I said, hey, man,

0:25:38.520 --> 0:25:40.040
<v Speaker 1>I need you to give me a call right now.

0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:46.920
<v Speaker 1>James of course never answered. James was Sarah, Sarah was James.

0:25:46.960 --> 0:25:52.040
<v Speaker 1>Nothing was real. They realized they needed to break the

0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:56.040
<v Speaker 1>news to Liz's mom. It was certainly a hard call

0:25:56.200 --> 0:25:58.400
<v Speaker 1>to have to make. You need to make sure that

0:25:58.480 --> 0:26:02.640
<v Speaker 1>the security guards take her off the list. I was like,

0:26:02.680 --> 0:26:05.560
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, we'd better change the code or in

0:26:05.560 --> 0:26:09.560
<v Speaker 1>a garage. I thought that maybe she just might try

0:26:09.600 --> 0:26:12.639
<v Speaker 1>to break in the house and do something. At this point,

0:26:12.760 --> 0:26:15.560
<v Speaker 1>it's like, who's not to say, she's going to open

0:26:15.600 --> 0:26:18.760
<v Speaker 1>the door and walk in and kill us. Snippets of

0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:22.639
<v Speaker 1>conversations that once seemed benign, at least in the context

0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:26.880
<v Speaker 1>of her stalker, now took on new importance, like how

0:26:26.920 --> 0:26:29.840
<v Speaker 1>to cut break lines, how to make a death look

0:26:29.880 --> 0:26:32.399
<v Speaker 1>like an accident, how to hide a body. Those are

0:26:32.440 --> 0:26:36.000
<v Speaker 1>not things that normally come to someone's thoughts. So the

0:26:36.040 --> 0:26:38.760
<v Speaker 1>fact that she had these thoughts and shared them with us, like, wow,

0:26:38.760 --> 0:26:40.920
<v Speaker 1>these are things that are on her mind. She told

0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:43.000
<v Speaker 1>us one day when she was claiming to have a daughter,

0:26:43.040 --> 0:26:46.400
<v Speaker 1>that she dropped off a childcare at the y. She said,

0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:48.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's to be so easy for anyone to

0:26:48.520 --> 0:26:51.000
<v Speaker 1>steal a toddler. Here she goes, I show up and

0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:53.199
<v Speaker 1>I pick up my daughter, and you know, the sixteen

0:26:53.240 --> 0:26:55.560
<v Speaker 1>year old girl doesn't even look up from her iPad.

0:26:56.080 --> 0:26:58.639
<v Speaker 1>Any of these children could be stolen at a moment's notice.

0:26:59.160 --> 0:27:02.679
<v Speaker 1>That was really a ring. They call the police, not

0:27:02.840 --> 0:27:06.360
<v Speaker 1>really knowing who else to call. They grew more fearful.

0:27:07.160 --> 0:27:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Officers warned us to be you know, you can get

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<v Speaker 1>a level of protection so that we will know if

0:27:12.600 --> 0:27:15.200
<v Speaker 1>she leaves the state. Again, no one knew at that point,

0:27:15.320 --> 0:27:19.800
<v Speaker 1>no one knew. I was terrified. Brian began frantically scouring

0:27:19.840 --> 0:27:22.440
<v Speaker 1>the internet, trying to find out as much as he could,

0:27:23.320 --> 0:27:26.520
<v Speaker 1>And that's when Brian got really busy, just messaging everyone

0:27:26.560 --> 0:27:30.720
<v Speaker 1>he can possibly fine. Brian began turning up multiple Facebook

0:27:30.720 --> 0:27:35.000
<v Speaker 1>profiles with variations on her name and different photos. He

0:27:35.080 --> 0:27:38.080
<v Speaker 1>hunted through the comments and tags for people who knew her.

0:27:38.800 --> 0:27:41.560
<v Speaker 1>One of them turned out to be her aunt. Brian

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<v Speaker 1>sent her a message. She responded to my my messenger

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<v Speaker 1>my message saying yes, I'm I'm her aunt and I'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to know what she's up to. It was definitely

0:27:51.200 --> 0:27:54.480
<v Speaker 1>a what she's up to? Here we go again. This

0:27:54.560 --> 0:28:02.880
<v Speaker 1>is not the first time. Liz gave Sarah's aunt a call.

0:28:03.200 --> 0:28:07.520
<v Speaker 1>She was really distraught actually to hear the news. Said

0:28:07.560 --> 0:28:09.919
<v Speaker 1>that she'd been at it for years and that the

0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:12.720
<v Speaker 1>family was really torn apart about it. She told us

0:28:12.720 --> 0:28:16.240
<v Speaker 1>about Aaron in California and that was really upsetting. She

0:28:16.320 --> 0:28:20.919
<v Speaker 1>told them Sarah didn't have cancer, never had cancer, and

0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:23.720
<v Speaker 1>she didn't have a child either, and it was also

0:28:23.840 --> 0:28:28.000
<v Speaker 1>very concerning. You know, the pictures of the baby, it's

0:28:28.040 --> 0:28:32.280
<v Speaker 1>the same baby in different situations, different you know, different poses,

0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:35.720
<v Speaker 1>definitely different environments. The baby is a mystery and it

0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:38.800
<v Speaker 1>seems to be the same baby in every picture. Sarah's

0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:41.920
<v Speaker 1>aunt told them what had happened in Texas at Camp Summit.

0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:45.280
<v Speaker 1>I called the camp as well, and the girl that

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<v Speaker 1>answered the phone um again. I said, my name is

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Brian, and this is what's going on. It

0:28:51.240 --> 0:28:55.000
<v Speaker 1>might sound a little bit strange, and she actually laughed

0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:57.600
<v Speaker 1>to herself. She said that we were just in training

0:28:57.640 --> 0:29:01.040
<v Speaker 1>on this yesterday. And as Brian and searched for more

0:29:01.120 --> 0:29:04.720
<v Speaker 1>information on Camp Summit, he found one other person tagged

0:29:04.720 --> 0:29:09.240
<v Speaker 1>in Sarah's pictures Bethany Turner. He sent Bethany a message

0:29:09.240 --> 0:29:14.360
<v Speaker 1>over Facebook saying, here's what's been going on in our lives,

0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:17.560
<v Speaker 1>and this is what we've been told and we understand

0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:19.239
<v Speaker 1>it not to be true, and you know what has

0:29:19.280 --> 0:29:23.680
<v Speaker 1>your experience been. The next morning Bethany saw the message.

0:29:23.720 --> 0:29:26.840
<v Speaker 1>She recoiled at the sight of Sarah's dame. I was

0:29:26.880 --> 0:29:29.120
<v Speaker 1>brushing my daughter's teeth and looked down and saw something

0:29:29.120 --> 0:29:31.360
<v Speaker 1>on my phone and I threw the phone down on

0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:34.840
<v Speaker 1>the counter and I was like, nope, not doing that.

0:29:35.320 --> 0:29:38.479
<v Speaker 1>She thought it was Sarah herself. I wasn't sure if

0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:40.760
<v Speaker 1>it was her trying to catfish me, and I finally

0:29:40.840 --> 0:29:42.440
<v Speaker 1>landed on you know what, maybe I just need to

0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:45.720
<v Speaker 1>google this guy and see who he is, because if

0:29:45.760 --> 0:29:49.960
<v Speaker 1>it's not Sarah, then it's someone that Sarah's hurt. It

0:29:50.000 --> 0:29:52.200
<v Speaker 1>was early in the morning, I remember that, maybe five

0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:54.760
<v Speaker 1>thirty or so where I I heard the messager go

0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:58.480
<v Speaker 1>off and then normally I might sleep through that kind

0:29:58.480 --> 0:30:01.720
<v Speaker 1>of thing, but not at that one time. And she

0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:08.960
<v Speaker 1>said something not dismissive, but maybe questioning who I was

0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:11.480
<v Speaker 1>or or you know what happened, And it didn't take

0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:13.640
<v Speaker 1>more than a couple of minutes, I guess for her

0:30:13.640 --> 0:30:15.280
<v Speaker 1>to say, okay, you know, I'd be up for a

0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:18.560
<v Speaker 1>for a phone call. That call would be the first

0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:24.760
<v Speaker 1>of many. Brian and Liz soon learned that Sarah was

0:30:24.800 --> 0:30:27.360
<v Speaker 1>back in Florida. They had helped her train for a

0:30:27.400 --> 0:30:30.800
<v Speaker 1>triathlon and she was actually going to do it. The

0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:33.760
<v Speaker 1>event was just a couple of miles away, and at

0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:37.080
<v Speaker 1>that moment, I was never more scared. Do you remember

0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:40.800
<v Speaker 1>Alf Hitchcock movies where your hair standing on the head, Because,

0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:43.280
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, that woman is going to open the doorway.

0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:45.360
<v Speaker 1>You're in the bathtub, in the shower, and she's got

0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:47.800
<v Speaker 1>a knife. She's liable to do anything. If she could

0:30:47.840 --> 0:30:51.800
<v Speaker 1>do what she did. Liz and Brian couldn't believe she

0:30:51.880 --> 0:30:55.600
<v Speaker 1>was back in Florida, almost in their backyard. They decided

0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:58.320
<v Speaker 1>to go to the race, putting on hoodies and sunglasses

0:30:58.360 --> 0:31:01.680
<v Speaker 1>and ducking behind palm trees waiting for her to go by.

0:31:02.120 --> 0:31:05.680
<v Speaker 1>Once they saw her, their jaws dropped. She was wearing

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:10.480
<v Speaker 1>all new gear, new helmets, new sunglasses, new shoes, everything,

0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:14.600
<v Speaker 1>everything that's identical to mine, everything, And I was so

0:31:14.760 --> 0:31:19.040
<v Speaker 1>unbelievably freaked out. It was really creepy, and you know,

0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:21.680
<v Speaker 1>everything right down to the sunglasses and the way she

0:31:21.760 --> 0:31:25.360
<v Speaker 1>did her hair. There were so many facets to the

0:31:25.400 --> 0:31:28.240
<v Speaker 1>emotions that we had. You know, one is, you know,

0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:29.960
<v Speaker 1>you're piste off, as Brian said, you know we've just

0:31:30.040 --> 0:31:33.960
<v Speaker 1>been completely taken advantage of. One is humiliated, and you know,

0:31:34.160 --> 0:31:37.480
<v Speaker 1>one is fearful, you know, fearful for our safety because

0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:41.320
<v Speaker 1>we didn't know you know, where she draws the line.

0:31:41.920 --> 0:31:46.000
<v Speaker 1>And then over the course of a few days, we

0:31:46.080 --> 0:31:51.400
<v Speaker 1>also developed a compassion. How can we turn this into

0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:57.400
<v Speaker 1>something productive? How can we make our horrible experience have

0:31:57.600 --> 0:32:01.800
<v Speaker 1>a good ending, you know, for her right if she

0:32:01.880 --> 0:32:03.920
<v Speaker 1>really is sick and unable to get help, certainly for

0:32:03.960 --> 0:32:07.120
<v Speaker 1>all the potential victims, all the former victims. You know,

0:32:07.160 --> 0:32:10.320
<v Speaker 1>how can we just fix this? The police had told

0:32:10.320 --> 0:32:13.720
<v Speaker 1>them there was nothing law enforcement could do. It's not

0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:16.000
<v Speaker 1>a crime to fake cancer. Like we feel terrible about

0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:19.600
<v Speaker 1>what happened to you, but what she's doing isn't a crime,

0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:23.360
<v Speaker 1>and that just didn't sit with us. Liz also felt

0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:26.800
<v Speaker 1>for Sarah's aunt. She was very kind. She told me

0:32:26.840 --> 0:32:30.640
<v Speaker 1>the family was just you know, at wits end. This

0:32:30.840 --> 0:32:34.400
<v Speaker 1>is you know, wrecked them in so many ways. I thought,

0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:38.959
<v Speaker 1>if there were mandated help treatment that might help in

0:32:39.040 --> 0:32:41.080
<v Speaker 1>some way, and that was our thoughts was that if

0:32:41.080 --> 0:32:43.080
<v Speaker 1>the family can't afford to do it, we've got to

0:32:43.120 --> 0:32:45.320
<v Speaker 1>find a way to get this done. They didn't want

0:32:45.320 --> 0:32:47.800
<v Speaker 1>to go to her employer because then, you know, her

0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:50.040
<v Speaker 1>aunt had told me if she lost her job that

0:32:50.240 --> 0:32:52.600
<v Speaker 1>the family will lose the house. I couldn't afford to

0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:55.720
<v Speaker 1>pay for any kind of extended treatment for her, but

0:32:55.920 --> 0:33:03.960
<v Speaker 1>I knew that this television personality offered people help, and

0:33:04.000 --> 0:33:08.200
<v Speaker 1>I thought, wow, I'll just call Dr Phil Dr Phil

0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:14.000
<v Speaker 1>today on an all new Dr Phil that Dr Phil.

0:33:15.480 --> 0:33:17.280
<v Speaker 1>I went his website and it says do you want

0:33:17.320 --> 0:33:18.840
<v Speaker 1>to be on the show, and it said tell us

0:33:18.880 --> 0:33:21.000
<v Speaker 1>your story. You know, if we're interested, will give you

0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:23.160
<v Speaker 1>a call. So I wrote a pretty pretty detailed story

0:33:23.160 --> 0:33:26.080
<v Speaker 1>about what was going on, and they asked Bethany if

0:33:26.160 --> 0:33:28.880
<v Speaker 1>she would join them. I don't think I'd ever watched

0:33:28.880 --> 0:33:31.400
<v Speaker 1>a Dr Phil episode in my life, but she didn't

0:33:31.440 --> 0:33:34.600
<v Speaker 1>want Sarah to hurt anyone else. Ever, since she had

0:33:34.720 --> 0:33:37.960
<v Speaker 1>learned about Sarah walking out of Camp Summit, I knew

0:33:37.960 --> 0:33:39.560
<v Speaker 1>that at some point it was going to resurface, because

0:33:39.560 --> 0:33:41.080
<v Speaker 1>I knew she was doing it other places. If I

0:33:41.080 --> 0:33:44.800
<v Speaker 1>can google her and find trails of her from Oklahoma

0:33:44.920 --> 0:33:48.520
<v Speaker 1>to Texas to Illinois to out east. I mean, there

0:33:48.600 --> 0:33:50.560
<v Speaker 1>was no way she was going to stop. I just

0:33:50.560 --> 0:33:52.440
<v Speaker 1>didn't have the capacity at that point to deal with it.

0:33:53.200 --> 0:33:54.760
<v Speaker 1>I told them, I said, we've got to get this

0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:58.440
<v Speaker 1>out on a broader scale. This needs to be a

0:33:58.520 --> 0:34:00.920
<v Speaker 1>viral story, because otherwise is We're just going to end

0:34:01.000 --> 0:34:05.520
<v Speaker 1>up chasing Sarah from town to town from nonprofit and nonprofit.

0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:09.600
<v Speaker 1>Bethany agreed that national television might be the only way

0:34:09.640 --> 0:34:12.520
<v Speaker 1>that they could get help for Sarah and maybe keep

0:34:12.560 --> 0:34:16.080
<v Speaker 1>her from hurting anyone else. And along the way they

0:34:16.120 --> 0:34:19.680
<v Speaker 1>found one more woman who was ready to join them.

0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:21.600
<v Speaker 1>I said, hey, how do you know her? And she said,

0:34:21.600 --> 0:34:24.879
<v Speaker 1>I've been tracking her for twenty years, And eventually they

0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:30.000
<v Speaker 1>found the one person who could finally stop Sarah. I

0:34:30.040 --> 0:34:34.360
<v Speaker 1>think my reaction was probably the same as as most

0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:37.640
<v Speaker 1>people that first hear about this case. There's just kind

0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:42.520
<v Speaker 1>of disbelief about what happened. That's on the next episode

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<v Speaker 1>of Sympathy Pains. Sympathy Pains is a production of Neon

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