1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up 2 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 1: straight Fire family, It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight Fire or Tuesday, 3 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: February fifteenth. I hope everyone had a splendid Valentine's Night 4 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: with your girl, your side piece, you or jump off 5 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: your um fiance, your wife, your yeah, any any of 6 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: that stuff. I think I've run out of all the 7 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: connections out there. I know we have a large male audience. 8 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: I think it's last time I checked nineties six percent 9 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: of some large number and listen sports fan sports podcast. 10 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: Come on, I know we do have some female listeners, 11 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: including you know, family members. But obviously thank you as 12 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: always and thanks for listening throughout this football season. Holy hell, 13 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: was it a good one. In the playoffs. I mean, 14 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: every one of the finals seven playoff games were ridiculous. 15 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: Maybe it was yeah, the final seven, we're all distermined 16 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: in the final minutes, uh some many by a field goal. 17 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: Just a great NFL playoffs and we got some more 18 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: NFL content for you today. I thought I was gonna 19 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: open with Steph Curry going postal on the Clippers, but 20 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: the Warriors defense fell apart in the second half and 21 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: they got stomped. I'll say this Golden State as good 22 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: as they've looked, as good, as as great as they've been, 23 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: as much as Curries an MVP candidate, and he's certainly 24 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: one of the top guys. Without Draymond, their defense is 25 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: not good. And I don't feel great about the Warriors 26 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: winning the title without Draymond Greening there. He's that instrumental defensively, 27 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: just awesome defender. Uh and they without him, they just 28 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: you know, cominga looks good, but come on, it's Johnathan cominga. 29 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: Guys like what nineteen years old? All right, let's get 30 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: to a couple of NFL topics before we get to NBA. 31 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: By the way, we're gonna save NBA for tomorrow. And 32 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: it is interesting they're already taking shots at James Harden. 33 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: He's been gone for what seventy two hours, and they're 34 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: already taking shots. Everybody likes each other in the locker room. Now. 35 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: I saw that quote from one of the nets. It's like, really, 36 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: maybe Kyrie's sage worked cleansing out the toxic Harden at 37 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: any rate onto the NFL. I UM. I saw a 38 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: quote from Richard Sherman, the Great Richard Sherman Now I 39 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: only saw it because someone pulled the tweet out Sherman. 40 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: As you guys know, faithful listeners know, he blocked me 41 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: way back. I think it was like twenty seventeen, whatever 42 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: the Michael Crabtree play was. Whatever that was, I'm almost 43 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: certain that's what got me blocked, because I think I 44 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: went on TV the day after that and I was like, 45 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: what a clown? Like, you just want to playoff game 46 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 1: and you're gonna act like a total moron yelling at 47 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: Aaron Andrews and like boasting about how great you are 48 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: and how bad crab Tree is. Like jeez, Richard Sherman, 49 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: what is it? And obviously went a little viral, and 50 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: Sherman instantly blocked me, so I'm not able to see 51 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: his tweets. Um that being said, Richard Sherman went in 52 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: on Matt Stafford because somebody, I don't know if it 53 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: was me. I was one of the guys who mentioned 54 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:10,239 Speaker 1: Matt Stafford. Now was a Hall of Fame case. I 55 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: said it on the cow Hurt Joe Friday. I said, 56 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: this guy went twelve seasons in Detroit without a playoff win, 57 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: and now he goes to the Rams he wins three 58 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: straight games, and then he wins the Super Bowl. He's 59 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: got a Hall of Fame case, and people say, oh, 60 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: come on, hall of Fame. No way, really, Matt Stafford 61 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: not considered for the Hall of Fame. The guy had 62 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: the game winning driving the Super Bowl against the Bengals, 63 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: totally delivered down down for four with six minutes left, 64 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: goes to link ad yards or whatever. Clutch throw after 65 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: clutch throw wins the Super Bowl. Doing it on the 66 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: biggest stage, in the biggest moment. It doesn't get any 67 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: bigger than that. In sports. It's one thing. Game seven, 68 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: clutch shot, NBA Finals, Game seven, um home run, walk off, 69 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: World Series, NBA Finals. These are big events. The super 70 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: Bowl is the largest sporting event in America every year. 71 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: It literally does not get bigger in American sports than 72 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. And yes, this is a World Cup years, 73 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: so the World Cup is obviously bigger. That's also happening 74 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: in the cutter Um in November, so for now you know, 75 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: it is a World Cup years so obviously World Cup 76 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: is bigger than NFL. But this Super Bowl is watched 77 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: by like hundred fifteen million people. The spotlight, the glare 78 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: is never bigger. I don't you know, anybody who's played 79 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: sports knows it all builds up to the championship, and 80 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,559 Speaker 1: for Stafford to deliver like that, it was incredible. Now, 81 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 1: I am also of the belief that Eli Manning is 82 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer slam dunk, no doubt, no questions asked. 83 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: A lot of people say he was. He was not 84 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: either that great. And here's what Richard Sherman's argument was 85 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: against Stafford. Tell me if you've heard this one before, 86 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about it. Um, the Hall of Fame 87 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: bar is incredibly low, like a participation trophy. No All 88 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: Decade team for Stafford, no Al Pro, no m v P, 89 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: one Pro Bowl, not even m VP of the Super Bowl, 90 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: never considered the best in any year he played. At 91 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: least Matt Ryan has an m v P. Now, Richard 92 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 1: Sherman obviously has to make it racial, um, because he 93 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: would then go on to say that Super Bowl was 94 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: one because of Aaron Donald and Von Miller, no doubt 95 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 1: about that. They were great. They are a percent Hall 96 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: of Fame slam dunks. And um, it's weird for quarterbacks 97 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 1: you need the rings right. For any other position, you 98 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: just need really good stats kind of an interesting double standard. 99 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: I'm not going to go down that road, but essentially, 100 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: what Stafford is saying is he's playing in the most 101 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: passer happy decade in NFL history. Inflated numbers make every 102 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: quarterback that starts ten plus years a Hall of Famer, 103 00:05:55,240 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: And yes, that's partially true. But Richard Sherman, I'm not 104 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: going to be that guy who asked a question with 105 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: a question. But I'm gonna do that real quick because 106 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: it's fun and it's easy for me to win arguments. 107 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: So I'm going to name somebody for you who was 108 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: not on the All Decade team, who has never been 109 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: an All Pro, who has never been an m v P, 110 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: and has never been the MVP of a Super Bowl. 111 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: He's got a bunch of Pro Bowls to his name. 112 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: That quarterback is Ben Roethlisberger. He's never been the best 113 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: quarterback in any year he played. Is Ben Roethlisberger not 114 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: worthy of the Hall of Fame? He has two Super 115 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: Bowl rings, he was not the Super Bowl MVP and 116 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: either of them he's never been an All Pro quarterback. 117 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 1: But because Richard Sherman thinks all pros so important, here 118 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: are a couple of guys who made All Pro during 119 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: Matt Stafford's era twenty nine two two? Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers, 120 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees. Common thread there are 121 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: Rogers and Brady are two of the top five quarterbacks 122 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: in the history of the game. Peyton probably is in there, 123 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: and Drew Brees just top ten. Patrick Mahomes trending that way, 124 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: but he's got a long way to go, Like, how 125 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: is Stafford going to crack that list? He's playing, yes, 126 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: and an inflated arrow with tats, but he's also playing 127 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: in the greatest quarterback ere ever. So this argument that 128 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: he was not at all pro, well that you know what, 129 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: it's interesting. There's been some interesting second team All pros. 130 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: Uh Tony Romo made an All Pro second team? What's 131 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: that worth? Matt Ryan the ere, he won the MVP, 132 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: he was All Pro Richard, Do you think Matt Ryan 133 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: would trade his m VP in a heartbeat to have 134 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl championship? What about Cam Newton? He won 135 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: an MVP. Do you think he would trade his m 136 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: VP for a ring? What do you think those guys 137 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: would rather have? Because Matt Ryan and Cam Newton both 138 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: had the m V p the year they were in 139 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, Matt Ryan led and lost. Cam Newton 140 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: never really did anything in the game against Denver. Carson 141 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: Wentz was a second team All Pro. Carson Wentz, who 142 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: does not have a playoff victory? Carson freaking Wentz. What 143 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: does all pro mean? If Carson Wentz was All Pro once? 144 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: So what who cares? I'm just gonna remind people Matt 145 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: Stafford played twelve years in Detroit. One of those seasons 146 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: he was injured, only played three games. So if you 147 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: want to say eleven, fine, you know of those eleven seasons, 148 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: three times he led the NFL where was tied for 149 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: the league lead in game winning drives. Why do you 150 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: think that could be? Oh? Maybe because their special teams 151 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: was never good and their defense is never good. And 152 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: yeah he had did Calvin Johnson And yeah, Barry Sanders 153 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: played for the Lions back in the day. And you know, 154 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: Barry Sanders in the Hall of Fame because of his 155 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: awesome numbers and because he's awesome. Calvin Johnson, I don't 156 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: think he has a playoff win and he's in the 157 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Like nobody's denying Megatron was incredible, But 158 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: like I think we all agree Matt Stafford was a 159 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: very good quarterback in Detroit. And oh, by the way, 160 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: the first year he gets out of that hell hole, 161 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: that dump, that freaking dump in Detroit, he wins the 162 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Oh and it wasn't just winning it like 163 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger wanted. Twice. Matt Stafford went the length of 164 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: the field in the final six minutes with one of 165 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: the most clutch throws in Super Bowl history. And that's 166 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: not I perpoly. The no look pass was incredibly clutch. Essentially, 167 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: they took Cooper Cup out of the game for a 168 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: quarter and a half with the double team jam him 169 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: at the line, cut off all the slants with a 170 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: linebacker usually when I was watching was number fifty and 171 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: then on. Then they had the safety help from Von Bell, 172 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: and I guess at some point Stafford says, I've had 173 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: enough of this crap. I need to adjust what I'm 174 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: doing or they're just gonna knock down everything. And I 175 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: can't throw the Cup, so I'm gonna have to go 176 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: to the no look. I look like I'm passing to 177 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: him and throw to another place and Cup was there. 178 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: It was pretty freaking majestic, folks, I'm not gonna lie. 179 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: That throw is on point now. Patrick Mahomes is the 180 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: king of the no look pass, and it's one thing 181 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 1: to do a no look pass. I got a seven 182 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: yard throw to Travis Kelsey. It's another with like three 183 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: minutes left in the Super Bowl going over the middle 184 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: on what would be the game when you drive like 185 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: the moment. It was never too big for Stafford. He's built. 186 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: He is a clutch quarterback. That's the only way to 187 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: describe him. Again, if you want to hold it against 188 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: him that Detroit never want any playoff games and he 189 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: was there. Fats fine, you can do that. The numbers 190 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: say Matt Stafford was great in Detroit, just surrounded by ineptitude. 191 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: I don't know why Richard Sherman is so salty about that. Okay, 192 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: so that just shatters his all pro Ben Roethlisberg was 193 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: never an all pro. I don't know. He was never 194 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 1: a VP, neither a Super Bowl m v P. So 195 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: what are we doing here? It is really the benchmark. Well, 196 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: he played in an arrow with Mahomes, Rogers, Brady, Peyton, Brees. 197 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: Who's how when is Matt Stafford beating out any of 198 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: those guys? When I mean, that's all I ask. I 199 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know the answer, um, And it's 200 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: just like I don't know what Sherman wants. It feels 201 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: like he's trying to make it about race, Like is 202 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: Matt Ryan is gonna be in the Hall of Fame. Well, 203 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: Matt Ryan was the MVP of the league when they 204 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: put up video game numbers, which Stafford has done, but 205 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: he never had this supporting cast um to win thirteen 206 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: games or whatever the Falcons won that year. But I 207 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: can guarantee you Matt Ryan in a heartbeat would trade 208 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: his m VP for Super Bowl ring. And none of 209 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: the guys who have snuck onto second team All Pro 210 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: Josh Allen, by the way, Josh Allen will probably make 211 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: first team All Pro. Remember Rogers says like one or 212 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: two is left, maybe maybe three. Tom Brady's done, Peyton's done, 213 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: Breeze is done. Stafford played in in in an era 214 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: where it was just tough. You know, Um, not to 215 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: make too much of an NBA analogy, but you know, 216 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: Reggie Miller really played in a in a tough era. 217 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: He was there for part of the Pistons, I think 218 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: in their early nineties. Then he was there for the Bulls, 219 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: never could get by them. And then yeah, he got 220 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 1: to the finals again against Kobe and Shack. It's like, 221 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: when you know, Reggie Miller kind of played in one 222 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: of the toughest eras never what was able to capture 223 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: an NBA championship. Like that's kind of shitty, is it 224 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: not for Reggie Miller? Another guy, by the way, and 225 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: I hopefully there's not like a theme here. Some of 226 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: these high profile athletes have have blocked your boy. I 227 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: guess they listen. They don't like truth tellers, guys who 228 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: are coming clean. And the reality of Richard Sherman is 229 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that Matt Stafford is in the Hall 230 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: of Fame, but he certainly had before this he had 231 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: no case whatsoever, no playoff wins. Come on, bro, get 232 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: out of here. Then he wins three playoff games. The 233 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:17,719 Speaker 1: one in Tampa was, I mean, one of my favorite 234 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: bets of the of the season. I'm so proud of 235 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: that one. Uh, they've beat an Arizona team that We'll 236 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: get to Kyler Murray in a moment. There's an update 237 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: on Kyler obviously, and I just I can't not give 238 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 1: him credit for going from zero to four and the 239 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: Super Bowl, plus it was the game winning drive. Now, 240 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: if they blow him out, you know, thirty one six 241 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: or whatever and it's not a close game, well there's 242 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: no pressure on Stafford really, and and that was different 243 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: this there was pressure and he delivered and put some 244 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: respect on Matt Stafford's dame. Fox Sports Radio has the 245 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of 246 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: our shows at Fox Sports Radio dot com and within 247 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio search f s R to listen live. Alright, 248 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: so the second topic after Matt Stafford has to be 249 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. Um, I don't know if you guys saw this. 250 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: We I think we touched on it on Monday's podcast. 251 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: It's a blur. But on Sunday day of the Super Bowl. 252 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: Chris Mortenson, who's you know, like the seventy five year 253 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: old reporter for ESPN. He used to be the schefter 254 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: before schefter got there. The odd vibe between Arizona and 255 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: Kyler is alarming. Murray is described as self centered, immature, 256 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: and a finger pointer. Per sources, He's frustrated with the 257 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: franchise and was embarrassed by the playoff loss to the Rams. 258 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: Thinks he's being framed his escapegoat. Whoa, whoa, that's a bomb. 259 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: Now a lot of people will be like, oh, Kyler Murray, 260 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: it's over. Where's he gonna go? No, no, no, no, 261 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: don't think of it that way. Let's change the way 262 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: you think. Who would drop this on Super Bowl Sunday? 263 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: And why so we can eliminate Cliff Kingsbury right now. 264 00:14:58,120 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: I do want to put the follow up tweet from 265 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: Morton in what A couple of minutes later. Despite the acrimony, 266 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: the Cardinals expect things to calm down and Murray as 267 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: their quarterback. Select veterans hope to reach Murray on how 268 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: to handle adversity better. Coach Kingsbury also is self scouting 269 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: where he can provide better alternatives for QB. A quick 270 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: that was clunky on Cliff Kingsbury self scouting. Does that 271 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: mean he's looking for the next quarterback provide better alternatives 272 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: for QB? Meaning what like in case with Kyler is 273 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: not our guy? Or is this Kingsbury looking at how 274 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: he can do a better job of getting his quarterback 275 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: ready for the big game. First of all, just to 276 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: go back. I don't know why people are stunned that 277 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: Arizona lost that game, and they're blaming Kyler Murray. Really 278 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: but William and Kyler Murray for that game. He wasn't great, 279 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: but the Rams have a top five defense. They're excellent. 280 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's was without DeAndre Hopkins, his best receiver. Can 281 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: you imagine Matt Stafford without Cooper Cup Come on, guys, 282 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: I never got that. Now again, I loaded up on 283 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: the Rams in that game. That was a slam dunk 284 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: pick for me. I don't know who was on Arizona. 285 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: That just didn't make sense. But anyway, let's go back 286 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: to how to think about this. Who and why would they? 287 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: Would someone dropped this? Well, it's not gonna be Kingsbury 288 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: because I think you know the media does not like Kingsbury. 289 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: You could argue that Kyler Murray saved Kingsbury's job. Okay, 290 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: probably not the GM. Steve Kim, who has stepped in 291 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: land mine after land mine with drafting and then outside 292 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: of football, I think he made a mistake or two. 293 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: You can look it up. But Steve Kim, the GM 294 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: has to be super thankful that Kyler Murray got them 295 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: to the playoffs because you can only wis on so 296 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: many first round picks before it comes to bite Jenny ass. 297 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: And so if we're eliminating the coach and the GM 298 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: from leaking this about Kyler Murray to Mortenson, who I'll 299 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: just say is like seventy five years old, who could 300 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: have leaked it to more Well? That leaves one guy 301 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: to me, and it's the old school guy, the billionaire 302 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 1: born on third base. Bidwell, the owner of the Cardinals, 303 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: dad was the owner, handed the team to him, and 304 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 1: my guess is he's extremely disgruntled because Kyler wants a 305 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: new deal and for whatever reason, Bidwell seems to think 306 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: that Kyler is the reason they did not beat the Rams, 307 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: and that's certainly not true from from what anyone with 308 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: a clue could tell you. UM, And I guess Kyler 309 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: got upset that he's not getting his new deal invented 310 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 1: with his little stunt on Instagram. I can I can 311 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 1: tell you this, Um, this is not a good move 312 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: at all, not a good look at all for the organization. 313 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: I mean, think about this. If you're potential you know 314 00:17:55,920 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: von Miller out there, if you're a potential um nerd 315 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: for net, if you're a potential Odell Beckham, you know 316 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: how these guys came to their teams for a quarterback 317 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: and won a Super Bowl. If you are a potential 318 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: guy like that who thinks you know what Arizona might 319 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: have the goods, I kind of want to go there 320 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: win a championship. I love the weather and city and 321 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 1: blah blah blah, Like, wait a minute, do I want 322 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 1: to get in bed with this kind of owner who's 323 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: coming out and just blasting the young quarterback this way? 324 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: Like that's just dirty? Why on earth would I want to? 325 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: And you just wonder if there's going to be any impact. Yes, 326 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: I know sometimes you just want to get paid, But 327 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: if you've got options, would you rather, you know, stay 328 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: away from this guy. I'm just stunned that he would 329 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: go after Kyler Murray like this very bad look. And again, 330 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: I know I've now defended Matt Stafford and Kyler Murray. 331 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: I am a little bit into defending quarterbacks. I think 332 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: Kyler is a top twelve quarterback in the league. Stafford 333 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: obviously top ten quarterback. Like they're hard to find, guys, 334 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: speaking as a fan of the Jets who has never 335 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: had a franchise quarterback since I've been there, you think 336 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: I'm rooting for Zach Wilson. I mean, come on, the 337 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 1: Jets are so desperate for a quarterback it's it's unbelievable. 338 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: So when you get one, and I think Kyler's got 339 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: the potential to be a franchise quarterback, maybe Lamar Jackson does. 340 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not sure. I'm I would say, if 341 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: you asked me who I'd rather have, Kyler Lamar, I 342 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: would take Kyler Murray. I don't even think that's particularly close. 343 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean he's been better than Lamar, but from 344 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: what I've seen from Kyler, I would prefer him. I 345 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: think he's quicker than Lamar. I think he slides these 346 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: much better protecting himself. And um, I don't know. I mean, 347 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 1: I like Lamar, but I think I would go with Kyler. 348 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 1: I love the touch on his passes. I think he's 349 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: extremely skilled. This kid is still pretty uh young in 350 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: his career. Remember he was a big baseball guy. I 351 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: think the upside with Kyler's he which I like. Arizona. 352 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 353 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox sports 354 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: Radio dot com and within the I Heart Radio app. 355 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: Search f s R to listen live. And we'll wrap 356 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 1: up with this team in the NFC. It's that that 357 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 1: story that Russell Wilson and two Shaun Watson our potential 358 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: targets of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And I just listen, 359 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: I know we got some friends in Tampa. I got 360 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: some family members there. Um, Lovely City, strip club, capital 361 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: of the East Coast. By the way, yes, if you 362 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: have been to a bachelor party there, you know what 363 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: I'm talking about. But the reality is Tampa Bay is 364 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: not a good job right now. Forget about just following 365 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: Tom Brady, which you don't want to do. Trust me, 366 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: you don't want to be the guy after Tom Brady. 367 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: This was a franchise that could not get to the playoffs. 368 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: Tom Brady shows up and they went super Bowl. Like 369 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: you want to follow that. Good luck following that act. 370 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: But oh, by the way, Antonio Brown not coming back, 371 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 1: Gronkowski not coming back, Leonard four Nette, he's probably trying 372 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 1: to get paid in free agency. Chris Godwin coming off surgery. 373 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: There's a chance he's not back until October or November, 374 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: when everybody starts crunching numbers and saying this team lost 375 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:33,479 Speaker 1: of their offense because um, you know, this player retired, 376 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 1: and this players injured, and this players in free agency, 377 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: Tampa's number is going to be ridiculous, something probably along 378 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: the lines of Tom Brady made just through forty yards 379 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: forty three touchdowns. Leonard Fournett. All he did was lead 380 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: the team and carry his yards and touchdowns. Gronk catches 381 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: eight under yard six touchdowns. The aforementioned Godwin Antonio Brown, 382 00:21:58,280 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 1: I'm not even going to get into because he's such 383 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: a clown. That being said, Antonio Brown are pretty damn 384 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: good year for the Tampa Bay Bucks. I'm looking at 385 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: the stats now, and even with mouths to feed in 386 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: Evans and Godwin, right, Antonio Brown, who by the way, 387 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: was hanging out of the Super Bowl with Kanye West Um. 388 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: When you look at the leading receivers last year, Antonio 389 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 1: Brown only played in seven games and had forty two catches, 390 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: placing him one, two, three four fifth on the team. 391 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 1: Antonio Brown and obviously not coming back. So now you're 392 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: looking at your number one receiver, who's Godwin in terms 393 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 1: of receptions not coming back for a while for net 394 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: sixty nine catches, third, it's unlikely he's coming back via 395 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 1: free agency. And then Gronk is four and Antonio Brown 396 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: is five, and it's like, Wow, they're losing a ton 397 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: of offense. And oh, by the way, it gets better 398 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: if that's even humanly possible. Two starters on the front line, 399 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 1: our free agents, gents in the center and cap of 400 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: the guard, and that had been a major strength of 401 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: the team. Oh boy, oh boy. I just I don't 402 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: see now. If I'm Deshaun Watson, I'm taking whatever job 403 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: I can get. But if I'm Russell Wilson, I can 404 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: be a little selective, you know. I just I don't 405 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 1: think this Tampa is a great spot for any of 406 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: those guys. It just feels extremely difficult given the uncertainty 407 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: around the quarterback on offense. Now the division Saints have 408 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:42,679 Speaker 1: a new coach, Sean Payton. Now quarterback situation undecided. Carolina 409 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: has a coach on the hot seat, Sam Donald Shrug. 410 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 1: Atlanta has Maddie Ice and Arthur Smith. Can you talk 411 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: to yourself in Atlanta? I mean, the winner of that 412 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: division is probably under five unless Tampa Bay gooes big 413 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: game hunting. But I'm just not buying this. Aaron Rodgers, 414 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson, Russell Wilson smoke I don't see it. I mean, 415 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,959 Speaker 1: maybe they're clamoring to play with Bruce Arians I guess, 416 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: Mike Evans, I just I don't know. I don't get it. 417 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 1: I'm not buying into it. And frankly, I don't think 418 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: Tampa is gonna be very good next year, unless Brady 419 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: comes back, of course, But that'll do it for today. 420 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: Interesting storylines. I feel like these NBA storylines want to 421 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:29,919 Speaker 1: get in and want to crow bar in. But the 422 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: NFL quarterback stuff is just so scintillating it's tough to 423 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: knock it from the headlines. Maybe tomorrow we'll talk to 424 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: you then,