1 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: If you thought four hours a day, minutes a week 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: was enough, think again. He's the last remnants of the 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: old Republic, the sole fashion of fairness. He treats crackheads 4 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: and the ghetto gutter the same as the rich pill 5 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 1: poppers in the penthouse. The clearing House of Hot takes 6 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 1: break free for something special. The Fifth Hour with Ben 7 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: Maller starts right now as we are in the ale 8 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: everywhere the vast and powerful and ever growing podcast empire 9 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: here at I Heart Media. This is a spinoff show 10 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: from the Overnight. 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I was just 26 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: taking notes from earlier in the week when we had 27 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: congressional hearings with our Attorney general. Oh yeah, that was 28 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: that was That was very enjoyable, very very stimulating. Uh uh. 29 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: But before we tell you who we're talking to, you 30 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: probably already know that if you looked at the podcast 31 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: before you down about it. Most people do, but some 32 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: people don't, so you'll be in for a surprise. You'll 33 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: be in fir surprise. But follow us on social media. 34 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: If you want to contribute to the podcast content, you 35 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: can do that. 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And 56 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: if we do connect, I will send you the finest 57 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: pictures of all the food throughout the south Land. It's 58 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: uh quite commendable. Yeah, well, I'm sure we'll get to 59 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: that at some point in another podcast. What kind of 60 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: loser Gascon is? And uh, you know, some people look 61 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: at beautiful women, Guestcon looks at cheeseburgers. That's that's what 62 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: he looks like. But let's get to it. So I'm 63 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: excited we have one of our teammates, so our Fox 64 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: Sports Radio teammates. You hear him on the weekends and 65 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: contributing to shows calling in during the week Katino Mobley 66 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: a long career in the NBA, mostly with the Rockets 67 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: and the Clippers, and as as you know, I'm a 68 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: Clipper apologist, and he was part of a very important 69 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: era in Clipper basketball when they finally won a playoff series. 70 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: The Clippers moved from Buffalo to San Diego and came 71 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: the Clippers in the late nineteen seventies. And after that 72 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: they had to walk around while they were playing with 73 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: paper bags on their head. They were so terrible. They 74 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: hadn't won a playoff series. And then, uh, it wasn't 75 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: until Coatino Mobley arrived as a big free agent signing 76 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: and joined forces with a couple of other guys that 77 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: the Clippers had. In the O six playoffs, they beat 78 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: Carmelo Anthony and the Denver Nuggets and that was the 79 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: first time the franchise had ever won a playoffs. There's 80 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: now the Clippers are one of the top teams. So 81 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta ask Aatino about that. But they 82 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: had been in California for like twenty five years, over 83 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: twenty five years, and they had never won a playoff series. 84 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: But it listens big time. NBA is back and all 85 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: the worlds are converging as far as activism in sports. Uh, 86 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 1: but we welcome in now Coatino Mobley to the Fifth 87 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: Hour with Ben Maller and David Guescon So Cotino, why 88 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,239 Speaker 1: don't we start with this? Sports are back, the NBA 89 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: is back, but the pandemic is still going on. So 90 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: how does this change the for you? Um? I think 91 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: what it does is it changes your mindset. Right. You 92 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: know you're not really focused on one thing. You have 93 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: other distractions, whether it's basketball, baseball, right, different sports or 94 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: different things that you're doing. Um, this second surge has 95 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: put people back in the bubble right as far as 96 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: like their own house and can't really do much. But 97 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: at least you have, you know, some sports and other 98 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: things to take your mind off of like concentrating on 99 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: one thing, right, because sometimes when you you know, uh, 100 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: it's it's it's like it's like the little kid in 101 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 1: the room where it's dark. Right, if you keep staring 102 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: at something, your your imagination, your mind is going to 103 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: go crazy. Uh and and hopefully luckily we have sports 104 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: now back so your mind doesn't go crazy sitting around 105 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: not focus or anything, but all this so crazy stuff 106 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: that's going on besides sports. Well, and then I mean 107 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 1: continue the obvious follow up question would either you know, 108 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 1: I get email from from guys that are very upset 109 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: because it's like all of all of boards people do that. 110 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: You're right, people tune in to kind of get their 111 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: mind off stuff. And then a lot of these leagues 112 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: are now including the NBA which is back now this weekend, 113 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: are fully embracing the the activism while playing. Is how's 114 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: this gonna go over? Continue? Are you played in the 115 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: league for a long time in the NBA, I think 116 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: this will this will work. And what kind of blowback 117 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: is the NBA facing. Well, I don't think it's no 118 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: blowback at all. I mean, listen, if you ended the day, uh, 119 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 1: if you if you don't talk, if you if you 120 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: don't use your platform, when do you use it? Right, 121 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: You've got to use it when people are sitting there 122 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: glued in. So it doesn't mean they always told us 123 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: when we were younger. You know, if you go out 124 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 1: of ten kids you know, maybe one or two of them, 125 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: you can change their lives. So it's not saying that 126 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: because you pay Black Lives Matter on the on the ground, 127 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: or because it's just peaceful protesting or whatever it is, 128 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: that everybody's going to change right away. That's not how 129 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: it works, right, But you still have to make it 130 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 1: a point, right, You have to you have to make 131 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: it a point. You have to keep it in there. 132 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: The ears of you. You hear about all these different 133 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: types of struggles, whether it's uh, you know, black and 134 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: brown people or Jewish people back when it's the Holocaust. 135 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: You you constantly keep hearing all of those different things. 136 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: And when it does is a build awareness. And that's 137 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: what I think we need to have. It's to be 138 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: able to build awareness because I think we can multitask 139 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: as as a society and say, you know what, we 140 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: can have fun, and while we're having fun, we have 141 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: to stay aware that these things are happening. So once 142 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: I'm finished having fun, let me go to this part 143 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: and say, let me help a friend of mine that's 144 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: um Jewish struggle, or help a friend of mine that's 145 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: black and brown that's struggle. To help a friend of 146 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: mine that's you know whatever that's struggling. Like I think 147 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: we can all do that, but you know, I don't think. Uh, 148 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: you know, not putting those things out there is helping either, 149 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: because you know, out of sight, out of mind. And 150 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: that's the big problem when it comes to the the 151 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: systematic racism and all these different things like, oh, that's enough, 152 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: racism was back slaving way back. That's not always true, right, 153 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: two things can be true. It was slavery was before, 154 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: but it's still racism. It's still these different things. It's 155 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: still all these things that are going on if we 156 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: just ignore them. Right, we sit in our households and uh, 157 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: it's uncomfortable for the parents to explain. How do you 158 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: get it through? You have to always say this in life, 159 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: You've got to put yourself in an uncomfortable position in 160 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: the beginning, so later on, when things are uncomfortable, you 161 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: are comfortable. You have to understand things in life. It's 162 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: not just because I'm Italian, or because I'm black, or 163 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: because I'm right, because I'm agent. That's some thing I 164 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: told focus on. You should focus on humanity as a 165 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: whole and try to, you know, put profession on those 166 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: who don't want us to be together. Be sure to 167 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: catch live editions of The Ben Miller Show weekdays at 168 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: two a m. Eastern eleven pm pas Effect on Fox 169 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Well, and 170 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: it isn't I can really understand that. But I get 171 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: email all the time from from people you know that 172 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: are saying their forties or fifties or whatever that love 173 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: sports and grew up. And I think we can all 174 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: agree that sports has really tried to on the court 175 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: or on the field, stayed away from that and tried 176 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: to be a uniting place. And there's people now that 177 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: are like, hey, I'm I'm not gonna watch and I'm 178 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: out of it, and and so what what would you 179 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: tell the people listening to this podcast that? And we 180 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: have many of them continue They're like, hey, I love sports, 181 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: but I can't watch if they politicize sports. What do 182 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: you say to that person? I mean teachers, all, uh, 183 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know what to tell you. Right, 184 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: If listening to those types of people, what are you 185 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: doing when you're not watching the sports? Are you finding 186 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: for great causes for women rights that you do for this? 187 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: For that? Are you doing those type of things because 188 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: of the they're sitting, you're saying, I just want to 189 00:09:56,120 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: watch sports. Cool, watch the sports. Right. It's it's not 190 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: like when Lebron James shooting the three that they're saying 191 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: black lives matter after shoot the three, Like, let's not 192 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: get this twisted, right, Like because they maybe meal or 193 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: on together in the very beginning of a game back there, 194 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:19,079 Speaker 1: then the game starts baseball, basketball, whatever, and when football 195 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: comes whatever. But to say you don't want to see that, 196 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: I think that's just that's it's defensitizing, right, It's insensitive 197 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: as a person, right, I just don't Again, each his own, 198 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: They could be whoever they want. I would love to 199 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: do evaluation on them about their lives and how they 200 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: they you know, how they run their lives. Uh, it 201 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: doesn't matter to me. They're not paying my mortgage or 202 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: I'm not paying there, so they can they can say 203 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: and do what they feel like doing. But I don't 204 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 1: think it's a right thing for humanity, right, a right 205 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: thing for humanity. So that's just my opinion. I mean, 206 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: people have different opinions on it, and you know there 207 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: are the views say, you know it sports people too, 208 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: and they don't want all that they just want to 209 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: watch the game and all that. Man. My advice Katino 210 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: had been like, if you don't like that, they just 211 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: tune in right when the game starts. Then you don't 212 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: have to see it because most of the show's gonna happen. Yeah, 213 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: it's gonna happen before the game two hours. You might 214 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: get five minutes or something. So you focused on the 215 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: five minutes, you could tell about their mindsets. If you're 216 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: focused on five minutes opposed to two hours of basketball. Okay, yeah, 217 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: I'm right, I'm right there. I mean listen as far 218 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: as the what I'm gonna do, I don't know. You know, 219 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: tune in right when the game starts and uh and 220 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: you know you played in the NBA. The NBA isn't 221 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: really doesn't. Games don't really get going until the game progresses, 222 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: right the early parts kind of a feeling out process usually, 223 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 1: and then you kinda then you kind of get going 224 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: on that as well. Uh now, now what about this 225 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,719 Speaker 1: just the bubble concept, Coatino is we'll talk about the 226 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: actual basketball part of I guess in the in the bubble, 227 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: which doesn't sound that bad. I've looked at some of 228 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: the videos and some of the images and it seems 229 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: like it's a pretty good it's a Mickey Mouse resort 230 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: there in Orlando. These guys are not exactly roughing at Gatino. No, 231 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: these guys have taken ride there and you know, listen, 232 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: there's no there's no waiting in the line to get 233 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: on rides. I know that much. You know, guys are 234 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: hanging out, having fun to comaraderie. It's kind of like 235 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: a you camp, you know, five Star Nike camp, you know, 236 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: all these different types of camp, but you just secluded 237 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: right and the televised so you know where. We've been 238 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: used to this since we were little kids, being confined 239 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: within our own little group and playing blah blah blah blah. Listen. 240 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 1: It won't last forever but for right now, and that's 241 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: what it is, and we just have to deal with it. 242 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 1: Continue jumping in here on this. I guess the one 243 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: question to have with regards to the bubble is this 244 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: is if you are if you're talking to some of 245 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: these college prospects that either had limited time or their 246 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: seasons were wiped out. Obviously the n C Double A 247 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: tournaments canceled this year, what advice do you give them 248 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: if they're thinking about you know, foregoing an extra year 249 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,559 Speaker 1: going to the G League or potentially getting drafted next year, 250 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: do you tell them to sit out? Because obviously we 251 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: don't have a vaccine yet, wenna have a cure yet. 252 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: So like, what would you tell someone that's on the 253 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: outen up that could be potentially a freshman or just 254 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 1: a sophomore at a at A Kentucky or a San 255 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: Diego State or us A. Like, what kind of advice 256 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: do you give them given the fact these circumstances still 257 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: we have no end in sight yet. Well, listen, there's 258 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: there's nothing more serious. See again, some people may think 259 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: I'm insensitive when I speak about this at the moment, 260 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: but I'm a I'm a proven in fact of I 261 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,199 Speaker 1: came into an NBA uh and my first physical it 262 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: was adoptining Anthony Specifical. He was a cardiologist, one of 263 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: the best in the world. He was in Houston, and 264 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 1: in Houston Rockets had him um as a retainer or 265 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. Um and um. You know, 266 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: there was of misreading in my heart. It was you know, 267 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: athletes heart, it was you know, it was you could die. 268 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: This is a little strange. What's going on? I monitor you, 269 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: I believe in you. How do you feel you're asymptomatic? Okay, 270 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: you don't let you play. He could have said, you 271 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: know what, I'm so scared you can't play, but I'm 272 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: giving a decision to yourself. How do you feel do 273 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: you trust yourself? I said yes. From then on them 274 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: were really close. And do you know Contino movie through 275 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: this day right now? Because of that. So I say 276 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: that to say, you just gotta trust yourself, take your vitamins, 277 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: exercise your zinc, your waters, try to be as disciplined 278 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: as you can as an individual. But don't live in fear. 279 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: I don't think that's a good thing, right, And don't 280 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: overthink When you do something, commit to it and there's 281 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: trust the process and thens live with the results. That's it. 282 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: So on that note, then would you would you recommend 283 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: these young prospects to stay in college an extra year 284 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: or do you feel like taking that jump and even 285 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: if you're not getting drafted, like going to the G 286 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: League right away? Do you feel that's an adequate approach 287 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: compared to staying in college ball? Now? I don't. I 288 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: know they will have the opportunity to go to find 289 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: but I think college is a great situation and a 290 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: great experience for a lot of the young kids, right, Like, 291 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: don't rush so much to be a grown up. It's 292 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: not the coolest thing in the world. Right, So if 293 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: you could stay in college and have fun and then 294 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: grow as a human beings, then do that. But to 295 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: go out there and and and try to fight for 296 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: and do something as far as going to the league 297 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: in NBA, it's only four and eight seven something NBA 298 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: players in the world, right and then G League is 299 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: a certain level. Like I don't to each his own, 300 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: I don't know everybody else's pockets. I don't know how 301 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: their family's structure is and whether they need money, and 302 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: this little bit of money can help for right now, 303 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: I have no clue, But what I say is for 304 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: you know, just whatever you choose that follow through. You 305 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: know what I've learned, especially my son, of my old 306 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: son right now, a lot of his age back from 307 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: like that twenty something years old down. If something doesn't work, 308 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: they quit that team, then they're going to go to 309 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: another team, and there that coach is not cool. He's 310 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: not playing me in the parents of this last and 311 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: then they go to another team. It's just like too much, 312 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: quitting too much. Um, this is not perfect. I need 313 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: to go somewhere else. That's not how I was raised. 314 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: You fight through these different things right to figure out 315 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: understand your character faster in a younger age. So you 316 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: want to go through all these bumps and bruises the 317 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: older you get. So you know that's just my Why 318 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: do you think kids are giving up so much these days? 319 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: But I have options? Right, everybody wants to sugarcoat and 320 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: everybody deserves the trophy. Uh, mom wants to step in, 321 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: the dad wants to say that, you know, my kid 322 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: needs to play, and it's that whatever and all this nepotism, 323 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: and you know this kid's father is this or you 324 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: know I need to go do this, and you know 325 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: I can play you over here. You don't want to 326 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: play over there. It's not helping build character, a strong character. 327 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: So you know, Michael Jordan's for a rookie years joining 328 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: it is safe for your options. So if you've got 329 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of options, then of course you're gonna 330 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: just right. If I only got one pair of brown 331 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: shoes to wear for my suit, I'm not gonna sit 332 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: here and be staring at my class for five and 333 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: two minutes. So I figure out, we'll kind of shoot 334 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: them where I'm gonna wear the brown peer. That's it. 335 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: But if I got five or six different brown peer, 336 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: not a figure out. Okay, that was with a tassel. 337 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: That's just a slip on. This is a tie. This 338 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: is cutting this too much, too much, especially a young 339 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,959 Speaker 1: age trying to make a decision, critical thinking, it's just 340 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,959 Speaker 1: too much. Yeah, I'm right there, and this time we're 341 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: around the same age, Contino. I think we might be 342 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: the same age. So I was raised similarly. Hey, when 343 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: you have adversity had overcoming? More importantly, though, we heard 344 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: was that was that a phone? Or it seemed like 345 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: maybe a pet was behind you or something. We're like 346 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 1: a clicking sound. Was there any ambient noise behind you 347 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: that you noticed, Contino? Is there an animal there or 348 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: some kind of odd thing in the room? No? No, no, ok, alright, 349 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: my dogs, but there's there's literally laying down sleeping. Yeah, 350 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 1: I heard, I heard the noise that it might have 351 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: been something. But all right. Nonetheless, so you mentioned earlier 352 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: your your heart condition and that eventually led to your 353 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: NBA career ending. I believe. How how is that going 354 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 1: for you. How how has that changed? Has it changed 355 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: your life dramatically just living day to day? Is it? 356 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 1: Are you past that now? And and how's give us 357 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 1: the update on that. Well, it was a misdiagnosis, but 358 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: it did change my I guess you know, you gotta 359 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: think about it was my ninth year, uh, because I 360 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: was at twelve thousand points in nine years, I was 361 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,360 Speaker 1: one of the top of my class as far as points, rebounds, assists, everything. 362 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 1: So you know Paul Pierce and those a lot of 363 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: those guys, you know, they got to play another ten 364 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: eleven years or whatever it is. And a couple of guys, 365 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: you know one you know, championships, Dusan Whisky and you 366 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: know Page ship Acumage went over there, and you know 367 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: Jason Kidd, and you know, I missed those opportunities. So 368 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: as far as changing my my history at basketball, that 369 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 1: changed that because I could have done more. But as 370 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 1: far as my life, like it was a misdiagnosis so 371 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: far of my life, I still work out, I still play, 372 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: I still do everything normal. So be sure to catch 373 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: live editions of The Ben Maller Show week days at 374 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: two am Eastern Pacific. There you go, let's go. So 375 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 1: they got it wrong, all right, And and now you 376 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 1: were on that Clipper team. You were there kind of 377 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 1: in a transition when the Clippers went from terrible to 378 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: to a good team. That that Elton brain. No, no, no, 379 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: you wasn't name transition when I got there, named Sanpatha 380 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:28,959 Speaker 1: and I put us in the playoffs. That's it. So 381 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: I I changed it. Well, the transition part, I wasn't. 382 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: I wasn't near what they was losing. So you were 383 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: not you were not in that I thought you The 384 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: first was the first year was the first year wasn't bad? 385 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: They were good right away? Okay, so they were good 386 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,120 Speaker 1: right away. My year when I first got there, when 387 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: I signed what I came from Houston to Sacramento and 388 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 1: then I signed a free agent with the Clippers was 389 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: oh five oh six. And that's when we went to 390 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: the playoffs, that's true. And that was the team that 391 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: beat the Nuggets in the in the play That was 392 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: the first first. That was the first time the Clippers 393 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: had ever won a playoff series. Uh uh, that was why. 394 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: And now, now, Katino, when you look at the Clippers 395 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 1: before you got there, they had kind of a stigment. 396 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: You were responsible for them turning it around in that period, 397 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: and now now they're now they're one of the favorite 398 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: How weird is it to see the Clippers who were 399 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: the the laughing stock for so long when you first 400 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: got into the league, and now they're considered one of 401 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: the top teams. It's it's an odd juxtaposition from where 402 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: they had been. Do you have some pride in that 403 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: as a guy that was there when they started becoming 404 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: a good sure? No, for sure, I definitely have pride 405 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: in it. Um. There was friends that guys who ever 406 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: looked up to me or was my peers at that time, 407 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 1: uh that said, you know what, this is pretty cool. 408 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: I mean we are in l A and we can 409 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 1: be able to fight and have fun and blah blah 410 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: blah and compete. Uh and and and that for me, 411 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 1: it uh yeah, that makes me feel a lot better 412 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,719 Speaker 1: because now it's the It's the cool thing to do 413 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: now is to go play for the Clippers. So you know, 414 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 1: I took that chance being a top three agent back 415 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 1: in oh five or six, Um, and I trusted in 416 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 1: my up, my ability. I trusted that up in brand 417 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: and court macgetty, I can help them, and uh, you know, 418 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: and uh you know when I had sand Fazel, one 419 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 1: of my close friends come with me. You know, it 420 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 1: was just from from the older. It's just what it 421 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: is now. I was out covering. I covered the Clippers, 422 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: and I started at the sports arena, the mausoleum there 423 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: and then the transition to Staples Center. But I know 424 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: everyone always had stories about Donald Sterling, the now infamous owner. 425 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: You played, you played when he owned the team. I 426 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: I I had heard stories from guys, you know, weird stuff. 427 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 1: Did anything odd happen when you were playing while Sterling 428 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 1: on the team? Is there anything you can share with 429 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: us that you recall That was kind of like, wait 430 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 1: a minute, what's going on with this guy? Yeah? You 431 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: know what I wished I could, but that was he's 432 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,360 Speaker 1: never done anything wrong, bad or anything to me strange. 433 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: So anything to me strange. So for me, you know, 434 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: I don't even have a story. He was really nice 435 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: all the time. Um, you know, so I can't. I 436 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: can't really make up a story on something that she like, 437 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: there's there's people have other experiences, whether it's landlord or 438 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: tickets that can give people and blah blah. I've never 439 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: experienced anything back. Okay, all right, well let's go because 440 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: I've heard some some crazy stuff and I don't know 441 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: how much of that's embellished and how much of that 442 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: is just based in in reality uh and all that. 443 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: So uh as far as the clips in general, you know, 444 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: because you're one of your former teams, they're I feel 445 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: like they're built for the bubble. Having Kauai, you know 446 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 1: some of these guys you know from playing in the 447 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: in the league that some players really feed off the 448 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 1: crowd and need that to energize them, like I don't. 449 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,239 Speaker 1: Kauai is one of those guys. So, uh, you know 450 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: our player is gonna be exposed here. Did you know 451 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 1: the guys that need the crowd to fire them up? 452 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: I would think that would be the case. How do 453 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: you think this is gonna go down? Well? No, I 454 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: mean we listen, we don't use crowds. And summertime, we're 455 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: working out and we're in our you know, we're in 456 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: our zones, we're in ours old so uh, the crowd 457 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: would be great. Well, we you know, we work in 458 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: a lab by ourselves. Anyway, we don't have a crowd, 459 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: so you know, um, when that time comes for the crowd. 460 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: Did it happened? But right now we're used to playing 461 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: in uh secluded Jim's continue when you look at it 462 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: and how that things are broken down right now to 463 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: Obviously everyone's making a big deal of the Clippers, the Lakers, 464 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: and Ben's a huge Clipper apologist, but out of the 465 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: Eastern Conference with Milwaukee have given the fact that had 466 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: so much time off, would you be surprised if they 467 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 1: didn't get there? No, I wouldn't be surprised. Best love 468 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 1: of rhythm sport. And at the moment it's it's it's 469 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: weird because of the pandemic and then shut down and 470 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: then back and before this all happened, those guys wasn't 471 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: It wasn't a consistency of all the guys on the 472 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: floor at the same time. So, I mean, but just 473 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: because you have I mean, let's in Portland, trouble is 474 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: in early two Thousand's had a monster team. Things happen. 475 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 1: Sacramento Kings had a monster team. Things happens because you 476 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: have the best talent and the best guy. That doesn't 477 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: mean it's still a unit. So someone has to suffer. 478 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 1: It's just that's what it is. But they have the 479 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 1: pieces to win the championship. So you know, we just 480 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: have to see how how fast they gelled together. And 481 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: it's it's not just about the talent, man, it's it's group. 482 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 1: There's a lot of luck that goes involved in a 483 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: lot of stuff. So I guess, anybody at the Eastern Conference, 484 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 1: is there anyone that you like in particular where to go? 485 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: Milwaukee to start, and then potentially Boston and maybe Toronto, Like, 486 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: is there a pecking order in the East that you 487 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 1: you feel more inclined to go with as opposed to 488 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 1: another yob you hit it on the head, right, there's 489 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: the Milwaukee's, there's the Boston's, this Toronto, there's Miami heat. 490 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: You know, there's a Sixers And that's what idea of 491 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: the top five right there there there the five horsemen. 492 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: So you know, again, like I said before, if that 493 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: ball don't bounce in on Kawhi Leonard, the Sixers of 494 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 1: being the Eastern Conference finals, right, So I don't I 495 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:14,199 Speaker 1: don't know Toronto, you know, I just it's all the 496 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: guessing games and in the playoffs it's it's matchups. So 497 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: it's not like Toronto dominated the Sixers. They won with 498 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: you know, two, one, two three for a bounce ball 499 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: in Boom series is going right like it's not like 500 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: a you know, it's not a domination, so it can 501 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 1: go either way. Speaking of guessing, for the life of me, 502 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 1: I just can't understand the love affair with being in 503 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: New York with the Knicks and Tom Thibodeau has now 504 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 1: agreed to jump on board for five years. Does he 505 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: fix this organization or they need to complete overhaul, new 506 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: ownership and everything shopped from the top down. I think 507 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: they need a new ownership. But he an amazing coach. 508 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: He was my coach in two thousand and four with 509 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 1: the Rockets, So I think they need new ownership. Uh, 510 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,479 Speaker 1: or give him the keys to run everything and Bland 511 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: just hides in a you know where bear sleep at 512 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: but uh, you know what I mean, So I don't again, 513 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: I I'm not a fan of Dolan because he's one 514 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: of the reasons, um while I wasn't playing. But you know, 515 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: as far as the organization, you don't have that many 516 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 1: great players and you know, you guys can't get it, 517 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,679 Speaker 1: can't get it together. Be sure to catch live editions 518 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: of The Ben Maller Show weekdays at two am Eastern Pacife. Well, 519 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: and continue, I'll go back to the to the bubble thing, 520 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 1: and the popular opinion has been in the NBA, the 521 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 1: hardest thing about the NBA Playoffs are actually related. It's 522 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 1: the it's the travel, and then as it relates as 523 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: it relates to that, it's the home court advantage and 524 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: having to go on the road and and win in 525 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: a a game late in the series. So with no 526 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: home court advantage and no travel other than from your 527 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: hotel room to the arena in Orlando, how much does 528 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: this change the variables in the NBA playoffs this year? 529 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: Is it now truly a level playing field for everyone? 530 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: Even the bad teams have have more of a chance 531 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: now because of the setup. Yeah, well, you know what 532 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: it's called. I think it favors the veterans, truthfully, more mentally, mentally, 533 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: truthfully more um, it would favor the veterans more rest, 534 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: you know, and things like that. So you know, I 535 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: don't again, it's it's it's a very tricky situation where 536 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,360 Speaker 1: you're dealing with this, because that can concentrate a lot 537 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 1: more than the younger guys. Younger guy needs more stimulation 538 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: unless you're you know, young Kobe Bryant where you never 539 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: went out and these guys are not like that, you know, 540 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: or taking care of your body rest in the right way. 541 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 1: Even if you're in the room and you're hanging out 542 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: on the on the bubble, doesn't mean you're really getting 543 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: the proper rest that you should write. Some people just 544 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: go crazy. They can't sleep, They need to go out, 545 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: they need to do this, you know, lou Williams of 546 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 1: the world needs to go get some chicken wings, you 547 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, some people just do stuff 548 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: like that. So yeah, you know, I would give the 549 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 1: apprehensive e vets because they understand it more and they 550 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: you know that that window is closing, so they want 551 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: to take the full advantage. Yeah, and then continue I 552 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: would ask you about the officiating because they has always 553 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: been this great debate about, you know, NBA officiating. The 554 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: star players get the calls and all that, but there's 555 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: also and I've I've read studies on this over the years, 556 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: that the officials feed off the crowd that oftentimes home 557 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: court advantage or home field advantage, a lot of it 558 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: is the officials kind of sighting if it's a fifty 559 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: fifty call with the home crowd and again, I go 560 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: back to what I said there there is no home crowd. 561 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: There's no crowd at these games in Orlando. Do you 562 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: think this is gonna change the way games are officiated 563 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: in the NBA? How do you think that's gonna go down? 564 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: That's a good question. I know I think. Um, when 565 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,719 Speaker 1: you're looking at the teams now, players now, referees now, 566 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: they're a little younger, it's a different mindset. When I 567 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: was younger, the referees honored hustle. Right, if you're working hard. 568 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: If you're not working hard, then you know it, Rochelle. Nowadays, 569 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't really know that the nature of 570 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: these referees um. And I'm not saying anything bad about them. 571 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: I just don't, you know, not anything right, I will 572 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: it change it because the fans, uh will influence it? 573 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: Maybe right? It may be, but you gotta think about it. 574 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: The referees are human, so they have favorites, regardless to 575 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: They think they're neutral, that I'm neutral and I'm I'm 576 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: not for anybody. That's not true. That's not true. They 577 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: have fans, they have they're fan themselves, right, So you're 578 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: you're referee, but you don't like basketball of course you're like, well, 579 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: what do you like about basketball? I like the players? Okay, 580 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: what players are you like? They can't tell you that 581 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: because of the conflict of interest, but they have their favorites, right, 582 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: That's just what it is like. You can't say you 583 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: don't like something but you're involved in it. That just 584 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. Well, exactly mean people, Yeah, people are 585 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: buying whatever I mean because of how you grow up 586 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: or whatever and the people around you. That obviously sets 587 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: the tone. When you were playing though back in the day, 588 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: did you guys have conversations in the locker room about 589 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: about this topic? Did this come up in the locker room? 590 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: You're talking about the officials and going into a game 591 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: what you thought mine or might not happen. Yeah, you know, 592 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: it was referees that you stay away from, and then 593 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: there was there was re freeon that you stay away 594 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: from the Joe Proffers of the world, right because he's 595 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: not having it, you know, Holland to Holland's you know, 596 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: he's just certain. But then you had to dig Prevetas 597 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: and you know, all those guys like that were amazing 598 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: and beautiful. But again, it's just it's just knowing the 599 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: referees personalities and respecting them and they respect you did 600 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: anyone when when you were you played in your career. 601 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: I imagine Tim donnighe the the infamous official. Uh, he 602 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: probably officiated some of your games somewhere along the way there. 603 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,959 Speaker 1: Did you have any evening, any inkling that something might 604 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: be going on in the game you played in that Donnie, 605 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: he was the official, Katina, I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. 606 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: I truthfully, I was so engaged in the game and 607 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: I'll try my best time to keep you take them personal, 608 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: you know, but I didn't even think anything. I mean, 609 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: if I go back now and see questionable calls, you 610 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: can do that and just you know, go crazy. But 611 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: it is what it is that happens. Yeah, and uh, 612 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: you know, I I've actually wanted I want to ask you. 613 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: But you played on the Rockets when you came into 614 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: the league, right, I believe you were on the team 615 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 1: with Barkley and Pippen right in that in that time frame. 616 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: I believe that to be correct. So yeah, I was Barkley, 617 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: pip Yeah, I mean legend legends, legends of the game, 618 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: and that team had such high expectations. Why why didn't 619 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 1: that dynamic work of team right, and it's not what 620 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: do you mean, no, but but but he's nine hundred pounds, 621 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: he's forty something we're talking about. Well, no, but there, 622 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: but the media had built up I remember the media 623 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: is all it doesn't that doesn't matter what the media said. 624 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 1: STI Piper was still in his his bag where he 625 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: could have contributed. He went the next year to Portland's. 626 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: Those guys did well, but they had too many players. 627 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: You need about eight to nine guys. They had too 628 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: many players, so that's probably why they did. It worked well. 629 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: But Scotty was a real form. It was just that 630 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,719 Speaker 1: you know, at that point in time. Do you think 631 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: about it's not like the offenses now, those guys are 632 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: clogging to paint right, one guy's on one side, the 633 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: other guys on the other side. There, well, you have 634 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: old superstars. Is very hard to play with, very hard 635 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: because they think they can do the same things they 636 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: were doing way back in the day. That's how it works, Katina. 637 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: Do you think the game obviously it's drastically different from 638 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: those years, But do you think the game is better 639 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: now than it ever has been before? No? No, I 640 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: don't you're taking away too many different things in basketball, 641 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: the mid range, the post ups, right, aggressiveness, taking me 642 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: too many things. I don't think it's better than it was. No, 643 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: Is that because you know the Steph Curry effect and 644 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: what he did at Davidson? Or do you feel like 645 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,959 Speaker 1: the game from college has just gotten away from the 646 00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: fundamentals and now everything is perimeter shooting from now on? Well? No, 647 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 1: I mean you have these M I. T. Guys that's 648 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: never played basketball in life that come with these statistics. 649 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 1: You know, it's crazy stuff. You know, they can't even 650 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: get two points in the gym by themselves, but yet 651 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: the set they want to pull up and everybody is 652 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 1: all about these different types of status and its cycle. 653 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: You know. Again, I have my I have my own 654 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 1: beliefs about that, but I think basketball, you know, you 655 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: should be scoring from all different levels, and a lot 656 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: of the players don't do that. Fox Sports Radio has 657 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all 658 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: of our shows at Fox sports Radio dot com and 659 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: within the I Heart Radio app search f s R 660 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: to listen live. Yeah, when you you played with the Lija, 661 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: when he said he was at the end of his 662 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: he is there is there a place for a guy 663 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 1: like Elijah One now? And as you said, the NBA 664 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: game has seen so much that they don't want they 665 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 1: would want Elijah One shooting three pointers now right if 666 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: he was playing in the NBA. It's it's it's odd. 667 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: This era is so much different. But do you think 668 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: a guy like Elijah One could have made it even 669 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: with all this jump shooting and just stand outside and 670 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 1: a couple of passes three point shot? Could he have 671 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: made it in this type of basketball? For a fact? 672 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: I mean he was agile, he was fast, and you know, 673 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 1: he had moves. I mean he was amazing. He was amazing, 674 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: especially in his his his other years. Did he teach 675 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: you any of those moves? I know he was obviously 676 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 1: a big guy. But the dream shake, right, that was 677 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: his favorite. I got my post up from him. Are 678 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: you taking? You always just say, oh, you need a 679 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,879 Speaker 1: little bit of separation, and it works every single time. 680 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,360 Speaker 1: Is he that you played with a lot of different 681 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 1: stars in the end, it was he the biggest guy 682 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: that you I guess it was Barkley pipping you said 683 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,320 Speaker 1: they were at the end of their career in Elijah, 684 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,359 Speaker 1: But was Elijah Wan the biggest name, like the guy 685 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 1: that you respected the most, that you played with. Who 686 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 1: was the biggest star? No, Scotti, Tipper was tipping? Yeah, 687 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 1: what was he? Were you a fan of the Bulls 688 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: in the in the nineties? Oh yeah, I love Scott 689 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: was my favorite and it's just so happy. And I 690 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: had his wallet, his his twitcher on my wallet before 691 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: I got to the pros. And then I get drafted 692 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 1: to Houston. But he was my teammate every single day 693 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 1: I'm with him, and then I retired, he retired that 694 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: he lives around the corner for me right now. Oh, 695 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's just kind of like destiny 696 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:25,360 Speaker 1: type of thing. That's nice. And and then, uh, I 697 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: assume you watched the last dance right in the Big 698 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: Star of the Pandemic here? Is that? A? It was? That? 699 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,399 Speaker 1: Was that? Did you watch you? Or no? You didn't 700 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 1: see it? I watched all of them? Okay, good? So 701 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: was this was this an accurate description of NBA life? 702 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,799 Speaker 1: Did that remind you? Did you say that they got 703 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 1: it right? That's kind of when they were doing the 704 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 1: behind the scenes stuff in the plane. I can't say 705 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 1: that because I don't know. I wasn't I wasn't in 706 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 1: the nineties. I was in high school in college, so 707 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: I don't know how accurate that was at that point 708 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 1: in time. Right, we're walking to to locker rooms, I 709 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,360 Speaker 1: mean to hotel rooms. What Michael Jordan was saying, it 710 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: was partying with cocon on again. That was you know, 711 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,760 Speaker 1: guys was smoking cigarettes and drinking beer at half times 712 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:14,359 Speaker 1: in the early seventies and eighties, right, yeah, sure, yeah, 713 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 1: So I don't I don't know. I got you, and 714 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:23,359 Speaker 1: it just it just changes. Yeah, obviously it did. All right, 715 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: So you're now a media guy. You work at Fox 716 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 1: Sports Radio, you're a teammate here at Fox Sports Radio 717 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 1: and also your TV guy. And how how's the transition 718 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: been from player to media Gay, Oh, it's fun. I 719 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:41,319 Speaker 1: mean it's fun. Listen, my body don't hurt. Yeah, but no, 720 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 1: it's just fun. Man. I just just kind of getting 721 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 1: the hang of it. And you know, the funny thing 722 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: is it's like it's you see more sensitive and maybe 723 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 1: it was back then we didn't have a platform with 724 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 1: social media so much, but you see more sensitive players 725 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 1: when you're speaking about things that you see, you know, 726 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 1: from behind the scenes or right. So a lot of 727 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 1: guys they get a little more sensitive when you criticize 728 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,320 Speaker 1: or say something that's factual or maybe it's just your opinion, 729 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: right whether kid get Kendrick Perkins and Lou Williams or 730 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 1: Ken Drick and Kevin Durant or me and Kevin Durmant. 731 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,919 Speaker 1: You know, it's always a backlash and what we say 732 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,839 Speaker 1: or or we sell out or this that, whatever, it's like. 733 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: You know, you just give me your opinion on what's 734 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 1: going on at the moment because you're you're not on 735 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:26,320 Speaker 1: according anymore. You're seeing it from a different perspective. So um, 736 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 1: you know, I don't mind. I try to be as 737 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 1: fair as possible and I try to tell as much 738 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,800 Speaker 1: truth as I can. Continue. Have you ever had the desire? 739 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,839 Speaker 1: I mean, media is for right now, but have you 740 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: had the desire or would you wanna have you ponder 741 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 1: the thought of getting back into the NBA and some 742 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:48,280 Speaker 1: kind of capacity where it's coaching, management, something of the nature. Um, 743 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:53,320 Speaker 1: right now, you know what, I'm just really focused on business, um. 744 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,360 Speaker 1: And and the radio of the TV is great because 745 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,759 Speaker 1: it's it's flexible, but for right now, you know, I 746 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: this is where my my heart sat just trying to 747 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 1: figure out all these this one uh situations and opportunities 748 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 1: that present themselves in the business business world, and then 749 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 1: you can always listen. I can be fifty years old 750 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 1: and go back to coaching, what I mean, But you 751 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 1: can't be fifty trying to learn different business situations that's 752 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 1: going on out there in the world. Yeah, I only 753 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,919 Speaker 1: ask because I you know, socially, you know, social media 754 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 1: and whatnot. I'm still looking at your jumper and it 755 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: looks like you can still shoot from anywhere on the 756 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 1: court right now. You won't that Wi'll never leave you, 757 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:37,919 Speaker 1: that's right. But yeah, it's also a Katino like your 758 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,759 Speaker 1: style of playing. You know, shooting was a big thing 759 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,239 Speaker 1: when you were playing, but now this is like this 760 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 1: type of basketball would be perfect for a guy like you, 761 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 1: don't you think, I mean you were if you had 762 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: been like ten years later, you would have flourished in 763 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 1: the current set up in the I mean, it's just 764 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,279 Speaker 1: it's just no brainer. It's definitely a no brainer, you know, 765 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 1: to how they now considered to how I played, and 766 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm mid range, I'm posting up. I'm 767 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 1: mixing it up. A lot of these guys, a lot 768 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 1: of these guys don't do all those things. You know. 769 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 1: I love the Devin Bookers of the world because he 770 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,839 Speaker 1: does a lot of all of that. Uh, you know, 771 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 1: he reminds me of throwback kind of two guards, you know, 772 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 1: Bradley Beals to throw back two guards, where you can 773 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 1: post up, where you can pick and roll, where you 774 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 1: can run for you shoot three, your spot up and 775 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,560 Speaker 1: doing all those different things. So I love that versatility 776 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,319 Speaker 1: of those guys. And you know, if if I was 777 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 1: playing now, Dave, I was twenty five playing nowadays, I 778 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,799 Speaker 1: would definitely give me about easy every night, a game 779 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 1: awesome and coatino. Thanks to your time, man, I appreciate it. 780 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,600 Speaker 1: Continued global domination in the media business at Fox and 781 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,319 Speaker 1: we'll talk to you. Thank you all right, Thanks, thanks, 782 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 1: appreciate