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Speaker 2: You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.

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Speaker 3: And we are gonna talk about show Hail Tany and

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Speaker 3: what transpired on Friday night, and uh, it's it's a combination.

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Speaker 3: I mean, obviously he had a tremendous game.

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Speaker 4: War are we underselling this? Okay? No one's taking a

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Speaker 4: tremendous game.

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Speaker 3: No, No, it's a tremendous game. But no one's taking

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Speaker 3: that away from him. But let me, let me, let

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Speaker 3: me sit down and let me explain to you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you got so much plaining, not explaining, You got

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Speaker 1: so much plaining to do this.

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Speaker 3: This is why people get caught up on this whole

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Speaker 3: idea of prisoner of the moment, because the prisoner of

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Speaker 3: the moment made it like shohe had done something that

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Speaker 3: nobody had ever done.

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, and it's not true.

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Speaker 3: Okay, First of all people have hit three home runs

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Speaker 3: in a game. Reggie Jackson hit three home runs on

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Speaker 3: three pitches consecutive pitch by three different pictures in a

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Speaker 3: World Series game.

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Speaker 4: An incredible feat. That's how I feel.

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Speaker 3: Here's the other part, so people I get it, he's

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Speaker 3: a unicorn. They're making it like, well nobody, Well, yeah,

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Speaker 3: we know, because only him and Babe Ruth have been

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Speaker 3: the only guys who are pitched right and hit home

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Speaker 3: runs at this kind of clip. There's only been two

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Speaker 3: guys since the twenties. But people keep going he's.

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Speaker 4: The first guy.

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Speaker 3: Says, uh, of course he is, because nobody else has

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Speaker 3: ever done it.

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Speaker 4: That's exactly what nobody else has done. It hit me out.

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Speaker 1: You know, nobody else has ever done it before.

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Speaker 4: It ain't impressive.

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Speaker 3: Bene Ruth was the last gal had the opportunity, so

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Speaker 3: one hundred years ago.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 3: But here's the part where they go they say the

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Speaker 3: three home runs, okay, even though Key k Hernandez had

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Speaker 3: three home runs in the game playoff game that didn't happen.

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Speaker 4: It's not like that never happened.

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Speaker 3: But then the whole thing is about, oh and he

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Speaker 3: struck out ten he struck out ten batters. He struck

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Speaker 3: out ten. I'm like, okay, that's good. But it wasn't

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Speaker 3: like he had shut down the mighty Milwaukee Brewers. And

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Speaker 3: here's the here's my issue. Blake Snell pitched eight innings

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Speaker 3: of unbelievable ball against them, Milwaukee Brewers. Yamamodo pitched a

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Speaker 3: complete game against the Milwaukee Brewers. They were dead on arrival.

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Speaker 3: Show Hay didn't do anything special. Everybody in their uncle

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Speaker 3: I could have pitched four schoolless innings against that team.

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Speaker 4: They couldn't hit, they couldn't score any runs.

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Speaker 3: So people are making it like he pitched a no

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Speaker 4: Bad Listen, that's not what happened. That's not what happened.

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Speaker 3: What he did pitching wise, was not that impressible against

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Speaker 3: this Milwaukee Brewers team.

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Speaker 1: You were screaming in a room by yourself. Nobody else is.

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Speaker 1: You are liking it insane or something a straight tag

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Speaker 1: no I swear. Listen to your no hold on, Alex,

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Speaker 1: I'm the camera on me.

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Speaker 4: Put the camera on. It ain't the greatest look at

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Speaker 4: the gold posts. It ain't like you hit four home runs.

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Speaker 1: He it ain't like he pitched a shut out a

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Speaker 4: Looking how far you he has to go for you?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 4: You anig?

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Speaker 1: Now he had to have four home runs, pitch all

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Speaker 3: K Hey, he's not the greatest player I ever played.

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Speaker 3: It's so premature, it really is.

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Speaker 1: If you said that, I would be like, Okay, I

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, And then what happens. What I'm saying

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Speaker 1: You gotta say it like he bat at one eighty.

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Speaker 1: No to stuff you're saying, you know, it's like really good.

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Speaker 3: And here's the other thing too, I'm gonna say to you, Okay,

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Speaker 3: it wasn't the greatest performance I've ever seen in a

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Speaker 3: I'm done with this soliloquy.

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Speaker 1: Not a single person in America byes except you, rob

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Speaker 1: the man. Here's why. Let me also tell you why

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Speaker 1: the postseason. Nope, he had had enough. The man said

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Speaker 1: the buck stops here. And what he did was say

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Speaker 1: me take this off and go pitch real quick and

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Speaker 1: strikeout ten and hit another home run. And how you

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Speaker 1: top of again, this is a seven hundred million dollar man.

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Speaker 1: Most people don't live up to the hype of things

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Speaker 4: He put the snipe to it.

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Speaker 1: And then you can sit up here and tell me, well,

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Speaker 1: the only person only two people have done it him

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Speaker 4: Well, then arguably the greatest player ever.

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Speaker 1: You're telling me the only other person who does something

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Speaker 3: No, but but he's but here isn't long enough for

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Speaker 4: Player of all time. And that's what people were saying.

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Speaker 4: You are also the performance.

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Speaker 1: Don't be a prisoner of the moment. We've seen this before. No,

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Speaker 1: we have not Johnny koy Heizer, who is.

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Speaker 4: You're even your senior. No, it was at that.

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Speaker 1: Game with Reggie Jackson, he said, I was at that

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Speaker 4: And you know what, this was even better, he.

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Speaker 1: Said, because I could go to Reggie Jackson and say, Reggie,

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Speaker 4: You can't.

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Speaker 1: The most important thing in baseball's pitching. Then the man

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm trying to tell you is the Dodgers

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Speaker 3: won the World Series last year without sho hail Tani.

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Speaker 3: He didn't pitch for them last year and he didn't

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Speaker 3: hit well. Would you agree with that they won us.

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Speaker 3: They won despite us. This year, they were three in

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Speaker 4: So again the Dodgers were rolling.

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Speaker 3: Without Sho hey O Tani and the pitchers who pitched

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Speaker 3: because Blake SNeW went eight innings against the hapless Brewers.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, hapless Brewers. Now when they swept

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Speaker 1: a reason why they're happless now because they're going up

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Speaker 3: And then we and then we saw Y'ama motive pitched

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Speaker 3: a complete game, yes against Hey, how in the world

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Speaker 4: You not to stop it.

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Speaker 1: The Milwaukee Brewers were the best team in baseball. I

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Speaker 1: swept the Dodgers. We need the pre and post game

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, they're the happless.

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Speaker 4: Woe was us? We just barely made it here.

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Speaker 1: Stop it ain't how he buying what you're selling right

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Speaker 1: now this week, then stop, they scored four runs. If

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Speaker 1: he beat the guy hisself, he literally beat him by himself. Rob,

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Speaker 1: one man. We always say one man can't beat the team. Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've been telling me that my

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Speaker 4: It's okay, say it with me.

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Speaker 1: No, it's that was the best performance, arguably in any sport,

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Speaker 1: not just baseball. I don't know what's the football equivalent.

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson strows for three fifty runs for two fifty

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Speaker 4: Stop it, Rob, You ain't nobody buying it. I'm trying

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Speaker 1: This is five thousand dollars jacket a ross. You ain't

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Speaker 3: Who he found who he did the pitching against, which

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Speaker 3: is a dead Milwaukee bruise.

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Speaker 1: I'm being to show it you for a year and

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Speaker 1: you ain't never stuttered like this. You're dead to Brewers

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Speaker 1: for I read, Rob g you could have pitched four

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Speaker 4: No, he couldn't because he's not play style. He's not

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Speaker 5: You know Reggie Jackson's weight in Reggie Jackson has he

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Speaker 5: gave He gave.

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Speaker 4: Him prom You know, it wasn't a big deal.

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Speaker 5: But Reggie Jackson say wow, double wow, and congratulations showy

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Speaker 5: for an incredible performance.

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Speaker 4: All caps. That's major point.

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Speaker 5: Tip of the cap at a bow to you on

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Speaker 6: He did Reggie Jackson did was It wasn't the greatest,

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Speaker 6: SOB No, that was okay, fighting for your life over

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Speaker 6: there because Reggie turned in you what what what show?

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Speaker 4: Hey did? Somebody can do what Reggie did.

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Speaker 1: Nobody, absolutely nobody can do it. No, nobody else's pitching

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Speaker 1: and hitting three home runs.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna have nobody, Yes, you was, You're gonna have more.

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Speaker 4: Have a kid do that. Three thousand and forty.

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Speaker 5: I got some stats for you, Rob, just to give

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Speaker 5: you an idea as to how common this was that show.

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Speaker 4: You know how many.

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Speaker 3: Times it's like forty times twelve hitters have ever hit

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Speaker 3: three homers in a postseason game.

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Speaker 5: Twelve and only twenty six pitchers that ever recorded ten

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Speaker 5: plus strikeouts with two or less hits and no runs.

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Speaker 5: It's Key K then start Rob did both of those

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Speaker 4: Why do you keep bringing up three home runners if

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Speaker 4: that was it? Because that PK a pitch.

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Speaker 3: I want to know that Key k on Nannas hit

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Speaker 3: three home runs in the playoff game.

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Speaker 4: Yes he did. What does that?

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Speaker 1: He didn't Rob, he didn't build. But it tells you

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Speaker 5: Guys, this has been a talking boy for a few

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Speaker 3: There you go and Bravo to the NFL, Bravo to

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Speaker 4: And guess what their choice was.

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Speaker 3: How dare people now they want to remove Bad Bunny

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Speaker 3: And I applaud the NFL for just saying we're not

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Speaker 1: We disagree on so much. We have fun on this show.

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Speaker 1: Blue lives matter, Blue lives matter, Get that, absolutely okay,

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Speaker 1: But then when you storm the capitol and blues lives

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Speaker 1: Now cops can get beat up, get hit, and some

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Speaker 1: Police officers have to show their face. Other offers, FBI

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Speaker 1: A bunch of universal games games, global games, the NFL,

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Speaker 3: Who are stopping saying I'm not gonna watch the game

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Speaker 1: You're watching the game, people, some of you are buying

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Speaker 3: I think the bigger one was Chauncey Billups today, right,

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Speaker 5: And if you're on Twitter and you saw what these

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Speaker 5: X ray marked cards things, you're like, it can't be

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Speaker 5: that easy. Apparently it was. So that's number one, number two,

439
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Speaker 5: and this is one that people have inferred and figured out.

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Speaker 4: On their own. In the Terry Rose year.

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Speaker 5: Indictment, Billups is not listed by name, but there is

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Speaker 5: a person described in the indictment that is a former

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Speaker 5: professional player who played from ninety seven to two thousand

444
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Speaker 5: and fourteen. What would that be, right, And that he

445
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Speaker 5: is a current NBA coach, that he is currently residing

446
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Speaker 5: in Oregon, and uh, you know, we'll see who that

447
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Speaker 5: is at a later and missed exactly what is this?

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Speaker 1: Uh Jeopardy must appost say who is Shauzi Billips?

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Speaker 4: Exactly? And y'all giving me all the clues.

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Speaker 5: In that portion of the Terry rose Yier allegations, it

451
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Speaker 5: mentions a person in Oregon who was relaying information to

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Speaker 5: betters that his team was tanking, that X, Y and

453
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Speaker 5: Z players would not be playing later this week, so

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Speaker 5: if you wanted to bet against us, now would be

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Speaker 5: the time to do it. This was all, of course,

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Speaker 5: before then your reports from a public so this was

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Speaker 5: insider information.

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Speaker 3: Unbelievable, unbelievable, and I gotta say this, Yeah, that is

459
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Speaker 3: just damaging, all of it, and even the builken of

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Speaker 3: people with the phony poker.

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Speaker 4: Games and rigged and all that.

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Speaker 3: If all of this is true, I don't know how

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Speaker 3: you come back from this from the standpoint of being

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Speaker 3: involved in basketball, the way people feel about you despite

465
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Speaker 3: what you did on the field, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: And he earned all of that. He was a hell

467
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Speaker 3: of a player. I covered all that with the pistols.

468
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Speaker 3: He was tremendous. I mean, the MVP of the finals.

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Speaker 3: They beat Shaq and Kobe and for future Hall of

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Speaker 3: famers call him alone, Gary Payton, I mean all of that.

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Speaker 4: And in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: This pastt right, this past year, right, he was inducted

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Speaker 3: into the Basketball Hall of Fame in Springfield, Massachusetts. Kelvin,

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Speaker 3: I don't know how you could do anything. And obviously

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Speaker 3: we say if convicted, so let's.

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Speaker 4: Leave that there.

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Speaker 3: These are all allegations. No one's saying he's guilty and

478
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Speaker 3: should be thrown under the jail any of that.

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Speaker 4: But he would have.

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Speaker 3: To come out of the Hall of Fame if these

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Speaker 3: allegations are proved or he's convicted of these allegations. I

482
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Speaker 3: don't know if any other way how he could be involved,

483
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Speaker 3: for how you could honor him in this situation.

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Speaker 4: That pays me to say.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned that two thousand and three when he got there,

486
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Speaker 1: it was a two that ten year runner, give or

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Speaker 1: take he had. I was there, Like you said, I

488
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: used to work at WDFN, the sports station there. I was,

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Speaker 1: you know, just getting into my.

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Speaker 4: Career and I was there.

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Speaker 1: Names Yeah, I'm going in the game, setting up the

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Speaker 1: you know, the booth for our radio got the Rod

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Speaker 1: Parker and Kelvin Washington in the future. You know, I

494
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Speaker 1: can just sit there and learn and watch, and I

495
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Speaker 1: got to be around the game and the team, and dude,

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Speaker 1: that that run meant so much to me. He became

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Speaker 1: one of my all time favorite players, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: because he was great, he made all the big shots.

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Speaker 3: That team was so fun and nig name was real

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Speaker 3: because he made He was a big.

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Speaker 1: Shot without a doubt, and he meant so much to

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Speaker 1: the city and that team. You were there, so it

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Speaker 1: paid me when I saw that this morning anchoring the

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Speaker 1: news my phone, and it sees his face, of all

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Speaker 1: the faces, just didn't feel like that would be the

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Speaker 1: face you would see.

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Speaker 4: Believe it? Could you? No, I'll be honest. You were there.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing You didn't hear anything about Chunes except good dude,

509
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Speaker 1: this that, and again this is all alleged.

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Speaker 4: We don't know.

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Speaker 1: We hope not, but as things are right now, to answer,

512
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Speaker 1: to go back to the point of the conversation, you

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Speaker 1: absolutely have to take somebody out the Hall of Fame

514
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 1: because if this were just rig poker games, as bad

515
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Speaker 1: as that is, that's separate from the NBA. That is

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Speaker 1: why we have federal investigators, criminal investigators, state investigators, all

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Speaker 1: these different type of investigators and police officers who can

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Speaker 1: handle that that is separate from the NBA, especially considered

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Speaker 1: you know, he's no longer a player, obviously.

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Speaker 4: He's a coach.

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Speaker 1: But you could say that's nothing to do with us,

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Speaker 1: because people get pulled over, people have other domestic violence,

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Speaker 1: people have substance abuse that people have personal live issues.

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Speaker 4: I agree to a certain extent.

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Speaker 3: I don't think you could look at him the same

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Speaker 3: way of cheating people out of money, knowing that the

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Speaker 3: games were rigged.

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Speaker 4: And I know, I know. What I'm saying is I know,

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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Speaker 1: Think that's pull you out to pull you out that

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Speaker 1: could have been kept you from getting in.

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to use that as pull you out.

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Speaker 4: I'm pulling you out.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know I feel good about

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Speaker 3: Chauncey Billups at all if I know that he was

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Speaker 3: a part of the mob and the mafia and they

537
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Speaker 3: had rigged games to build people out of money.

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Speaker 4: I'm just being I'm.

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Speaker 1: Not no, no, I get your morale. I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: What I'm saying is the NBA. I have to go, like,

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Speaker 1: where do I draw the line that's nothing to do

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Speaker 1: with me, meaning the entity of the NBA.

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Speaker 3: But according to that all right, So uh no, I

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Speaker 3: don't want to get into hypotheticals, but somebody could do.

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Speaker 3: But there's something heinous, and because it wasn't done during

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Speaker 3: because of basketball, you still would be okay with it.

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Speaker 4: He should stay.

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Speaker 1: What I'm saying is because if he presents a challenge

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Speaker 1: to where I draw the line, like someone who's in

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame right now, I, like you said,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to use a name player exits in

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame.

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00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 4: Come to find out he beat his.

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00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: Wife pretty bad, and have come to find out does

555
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Speaker 1: it regularly?

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Speaker 4: Do you go in? Then? Now pull him out?

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Speaker 1: You get what I mean that it becomes a slippery

558
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: slope when someone does something criminal and where do you

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Speaker 1: pull The reason why I would pull I would pull

560
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 1: him out is because this had something to do with

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Speaker 1: the NBA. If this what is alleged actually happened, because

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Speaker 1: you are telling guys, hey, I ain't playing him to night. Hey,

563
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: we're taking no. Hey, you might want to put some

564
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 1: money on us. We're gonna look bad tonight. Now, that

565
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Speaker 1: directly affects the integrity of the game, the trust of

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Speaker 1: the gang. Just as directing my business and our fans

567
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Speaker 1: that I'm pulling you out.

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Speaker 3: But there's all that's But also in contracts as a

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Speaker 3: professional athlete, there are moral clauses in there that have

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Speaker 3: nothing to do with basketball, moral clauses on how that's

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Speaker 3: why I will fire you, on how you on how

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Speaker 3: you hand represent.

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Speaker 4: Yoursel Yes, and I will admire you for that.

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Speaker 1: Rob, I'm with you, I will say, and you're contract

575
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: states this you did X, You're fired again. Pulling you

576
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: out of the Hall of Fame becomes a very slippery slope.

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Speaker 3: If it becomes to me, it's it's not slippery slope

578
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 3: if you're convicted of this and you look at where

579
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,239
Speaker 3: the because it's a big scope, and I get it.

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Speaker 4: You know, there's there's two different charges here.

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Speaker 3: Right Because I'm saying that you would be cool with

582
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Speaker 3: Chauncey if he just built people out of millions of

583
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Speaker 3: dollars with the mafia.

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Speaker 4: You're saying you're cool with that interestate not me.

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00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 3: I'm saying no, no, I'm asking you.

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00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,239
Speaker 4: You're not absolutely not cool, but I'm none. I think

587
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 4: he should.

588
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 3: But you're saying you wouldn't take him out of the

589
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame if it was just that charge.

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00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 4: Is correct, Kelvin.

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Speaker 1: If I'm Commissioner Washington, I disagree because what I'm saying

592
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: I would be disappointed. I wouldn't book him for events

593
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. But it becomes a slippery slope.

594
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: Rob this person beat his wife, this person was selling dope.

595
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: This person frauded people out of money because he was

596
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Speaker 1: what you know what I mean.

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00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 4: He was with n RON and he fraud of people. People.

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Speaker 1: Somebody killed themselves because they lost all their savings. And like,

599
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: where do I draw the line when.

600
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Speaker 4: It becomes things that are away from the game, Because

601
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 4: the people.

602
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 3: To draw the line as the behavior where you do

603
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 3: not hold yourself to a certain standard.

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Speaker 4: So you're gonna go Parker, I'm not mad at you.

605
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 3: I hear that I would pull people out if they're convicted,

606
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Speaker 3: like like they couldn't pull O. J. Simpton because he

607
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 3: was acquitted, whether you agree or not, he was acquitted.

608
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 4: Okay, but then he was found guilty of the civils.

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00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: You you know what I'm saying, So it becomes But that's

610
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Speaker 1: why I'm saying, I wouldn't want to have to become

611
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: the judge, jury and the executioner on every criminal thing

612
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Speaker 1: that someone's convicted, because I have thousands of people in

613
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Speaker 1: my Hall of Fame with you pick the league, and

614
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: every year someone duy car crash killed somebody, this person, it's.

615
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:55,479
Speaker 4: I just don't know that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you say that, but I don't know if

617
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Speaker 3: it's that many people that you're making the case that

618
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 3: they have all these other skeletons and they're still I'm

619
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 3: just saying I would have to you would have to

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00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 3: give me some examples, because I'm not saying that there's

621
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 3: nobody and I'm not I'm talking about like they're there,

622
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 3: Uh just got into the Hall of Fame or whatever

623
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 3: they were in the Hall of Fame, they're alive and

624
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 3: they do something where they get arrested. As as an

625
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 3: NBA coach, you're you just coached the game the night before.

626
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 4: Get you get you get arrested.

627
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Lawrence Taylor, you and I both agree. You could

628
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: make a case he's the greatest football not just defensively period.

629
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Speaker 1: Brother had a while pass ain't nobody, ain't no secrets.

630
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: Something comes up now he back out on the street,

631
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Speaker 1: Michael Irvin wild pass.

632
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Speaker 4: Things happened?

633
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: Do I put him out because of the white House.

634
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: You remember, the White House is something you know he done,

635
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: went back to the White House. You know, again, this

636
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: is all hypothetical, just using example to go or with

637
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: rob do I then pull them out.

638
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 4: You get what I'm saying. Like it, it becomes difficult.

639
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 3: I think you have to look at the offense.

640
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 4: What's happened.

641
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 3: Uh. If you're convicted of a crime, if you're sent

642
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 3: to prison, I think you have every right. If it's

643
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 3: he said, she said, and it's resolved and there's no criminal,

644
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 3: you know, time or whatever, Kelvin, then you have a

645
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 3: better argument. You mean to tell me in handcuffs that

646
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 3: Chauncey billups coach one night and the next night he

647
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 3: was in handcuffs, and now he gets convicted. We're just

648
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 3: talking about hypothetical, right, And you still think that him

649
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 3: being in the Hall of Fame is cool. I don't

650
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 3: know if that's cool anymore.

651
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 4: I'm not cool and I'm not happy.

652
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: But I don't want to just start a slippery slope

653
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: where again I'm now becoming judging every single thing.

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Speaker 4: I'd rather that's what that's what you do when you

655
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 4: put people in the Hall of Fame, you judge. But

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Speaker 4: I've already put them in. You judge them, but so right,

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Speaker 4: But now Rob, I.

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Speaker 1: Judge you to get in. Now I'm judging you. You

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Speaker 1: got in at twenty five, thirty five forty five. Now

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Speaker 1: I'm judging for the next thirty five, forty five fifty

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Speaker 1: you know, yeah, the whole life.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, oh no, you are yes, you are yes. No,

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Speaker 4: Because if.

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Speaker 3: Somebody at all, somebody did a hand with, somebody did

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Speaker 3: a hainous crime, Calvin, you wouldn't have this argument. You

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Speaker 3: wouldn't and I could give you a horrible example, and

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Speaker 3: you wouldn't have this feeling.

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Speaker 4: You wouldn't be.

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Speaker 3: Like, oh, well, well we put him in and I

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Speaker 3: know he just did this and he's going to jail

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Speaker 3: for for thirty years and it was really an awful

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Speaker 3: thing that happened, but we already put him in.

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Speaker 1: Really really, I'm just because now it's too subjective.

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Speaker 4: What's the line you say this?

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Speaker 1: Someone else says that you say this, Well, I say,

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Speaker 1: if you got a duy and you hit somebody, that

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Speaker 1: should be It becomes too subjective. What is the line

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Speaker 1: that you would then draw? He beat his wife, Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it's not a big deal.

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Speaker 4: It was only one time.

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Speaker 1: Well, other people like, oh, that's domestic, but it you

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Speaker 1: get what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: This man kill dogs.

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Speaker 1: No, but it's just dogs that weren't he was he

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Speaker 1: put in jail and confessing dogs.

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Speaker 4: No, I'm talking about it. I'm saying. If I'm saying,

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Speaker 4: if I was, that it has to be to me

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Speaker 4: of that ilk like a conviction that would stop just

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Speaker 4: saying that became.

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Speaker 1: And you can become convicted, and there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: things that would become slippery slopes if you open that

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Speaker 1: can of worms to the other side of that. Woul Chauncey,

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Speaker 1: if it is alleged that he was, you know, telling

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Speaker 1: people out the games and don't put the bet here.

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Speaker 1: I'm not playing him. We're taking here. Then now I'm

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Speaker 1: pulling you out