WEBVTT - How Garbage-powered Cars Could Work 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:04.760 Brought to you by Toyota. Let's go places. Welcome to 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:15.000 stuff you should know from house works dot com. Hey buddy, Yeah, 0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:18.040 before we get started, we have a big announcement here 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:21.640 about eight time change on our TV show. Yeah, we again, 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:24.400 we have a TV show that's pretty awesome. Um, we 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:27.920 are now on Saturday's beginning at noon. They're playing it 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:30.680 in blocks, so you can just sit down and basically 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:34.320 like totally lose yourself in the s y s K 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:38.120 TV world. Yeah. I think people marathon like TV shows 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:40.159 these days. I know I do. Well. 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And if 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:09.840 you just need to get your your fix of stuff, 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:11.400 you should know all the time, you should go to 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:13.520 our website. Stuff you should know dot com. It's got 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:16.040 our podcasts there, it's got our blog there, it's got 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:18.280 all sorts of fun videos. It's very cool, so check 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:21.320 it out. Great, Okay, get down the business. Let's get 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:24.200 down to business. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:27.760 Josh Clark, Charles Chuck, Brian is breathing on his glasses, 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:32.040 which means it's time for stuff. Is that what that means? Yeah, 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:35.440 it means my glasses are just dirty always. I think 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:39.320 I'm just greasy. It happens as a human that just 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:42.440 greased things up everywhere I walk. Everybody who wears glasses 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:45.280 gets their glasses greasy. Really yeah, if you don't, I 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:48.120 mean what, you're like a lizard or something. Okay, you 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:49.919 don't want that. You want to make your glasses greasy. 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:53.000 It's a small price to play for having hydrated skin. 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:58.679 Got you? That should be a T shirt. I'm sure 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:02.440 it will be in the newar feature Are you doing good? 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:05.280 I am doing well, sir. I enjoy these kind of 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:09.400 topics where we hit on some nice environmental things that 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:12.480 can help the environment. Same here. Um. This one's beautiful, 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:15.880 elegant in my opinion, and I apologize straight off for 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:19.119 everyone that was cringing when we couldn't pronounce the river 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:22.679 in Paris, France, the sin, the scene, the sin or 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:25.920 the same the sign, the sign one of those three. Yeah, 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:29.400 our friend and and mortal enemy, Joe and Dazzo hates 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:32.880 us now because of that of thing x dot com. Yeah, 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:35.120 if you haven't checked out thing x dot com, go 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:38.240 because they're certainly watching you. Yeah. Some of the former 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:40.800 Onion folks from New York split off and made this 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:43.120 comedy website and we're gonna be on it soon, but 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:44.880 we'll we'll let you know when that happens. Yeah. It's 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:47.880 an adult swim website too, right, Yeah, So despite the 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:51.400 fact that Joe is angry at us, and what do 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:52.760 you say? How can you guys be adults in the 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:54.760 world and not know how to pronounce that? How? How 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:57.040 do you not know how to pronounce the sin? Yeah? 0:03:57.120 --> 0:03:59.520 I'm like, dude, I'm not Mr. Fancy Pants. I'm not 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:04.080 in Paris every other week like you. All right, that's 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:09.720 our Joe. Um, let's see, I've got some horrifying stats 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:12.520 for you. Oh boy, I opening to say the least. 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:18.239 Did you know that one third of the global food 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:23.400 supply goes to waste. One point eight billion tons around 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:26.320 the world of food go to waste. What's interesting is 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:29.720 it's not just developed countries. Developing countries waste about as 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:33.359 much food per person is developed countries too. Yeah. I 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:35.279 wonder if they waste though, because they can't help it, 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:37.680 because they don't have like the refrigerators and the storage 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:40.000 that we do. I don't know. And here we just 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:44.680 you know, toss it away, like so many discarded you know, yeah, 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:49.799 business cards, Well, there's a wow. I was not expecting 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:52.640 business cards trying something you just getting throw away? You 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:55.120 know what business cards? Anyone listening to this podcast if 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:57.640 you were expecting Chuck to say, business cards emailing right 0:04:57.640 --> 0:04:59.640 now and let us know. Yeah, and also please don't 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:01.760 ever get business card and if you have, in the 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:06.440 best I apologize. UM. There's like a little dirty secret 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:10.880 among grocery stores where if fruit or vegetable produce it's 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:14.600 called collectively UM. Doesn't really look quite right, but it's 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:18.039 totally fine. Like examples I've seen as UM, like a 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:21.280 slight bruise to a tomato or something like that, or 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:24.480 a carrot that's not straight enough, they just throw it away. Yeah, 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:27.240 we've covered that and something I can't remember what if 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:29.159 it seems like we have, haven't we Yeah, it's sad. 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:31.240 I feel that they should have a well, I want 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:32.760 to bring it out into the light again. Well, they 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:37.640 should have a misshapen fruit and vegetable store where you 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:40.360 can buy a crooked carrot that tastes just as good 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:43.160 like one of the drawings from the Far Side, like 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:46.520 owns and operates this store. Remember the people like they 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:48.640 had like crooked heads and everything. I bet people would 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:50.840 buy this stuff though, if you you know, if you're uh, 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:53.200 don't have as much money, you might want to buy 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:54.800 a tomato that has a bruise and just cut that 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:59.000 little part off. Just a thought. I think it's a 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:01.640 good thought. So one point three, I think I said 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:04.400 one point eight. But one point three billion pounds tons 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:09.800 of food is wasted every year. That's just food, dude. Um. 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:13.440 In nineteen sixty, the average Americans generated two point six 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:16.640 eight pounds of waste a day. Today we're up to 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:18.919 about four point six pounds a day. You know what 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:22.039 it is in Chicago. You know, we mentioned Chicago in 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:25.440 this article as being overrun with garbage. In two thousand ten, 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:28.600 the average Chicago and produced fifteen pounds of waste fifteen 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:31.919 point four pounds per day. Is that garbage? I don't know, 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:36.400 And I think we're up, Like I think Chicago was 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:39.479 up three percent from the nineteen eighties. So I don't 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:42.320 know what's going on there, but they're like double what 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:44.360 they are in the state of Illinois period. That is 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:47.920 really nuts. I'm really curious what's going on there, just 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:53.760 doing UM and so overall we're producing, apparently most of 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:56.240 it from Chicago, two thirty million tons of waste in 0:06:56.279 --> 0:07:00.479 the US every year. UM. And there are there is 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:03.880 there are some programs that are set up to where like, uh, 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:06.320 somebody who runs a landfill where all this stuff is 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:12.200 going and decomposing and producing methane, they may capture that methane, 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:15.680 burn it off UM or save it and use it 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:20.360 for you know, productive stuff. Or there's also UM things 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:24.880 called waste of energy facilities that just burn trash and 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:29.080 then the heat from that that incineration power creates steam 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:33.160 that powers turbines that generate electricity that make business cards 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:37.480 so that you throw away the circle of life is complete. 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:39.679 So I mean, there is there are programs in place 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:42.760 that UM that make productive use out of trash. This 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:45.760 is gonna be trashed anyway. But like that waste of 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:49.120 energy facility, that's just burning trash that generates a lot 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:53.720 of horrible stuff, horrible pollution. There are actually programs that 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:56.920 are even better that could someday be used to power 0:07:56.960 --> 0:08:01.920 our cars through garbage. It's pretty awesome. Yeah, And of 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:03.920 course this article starts off with a little Back to 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:06.600 the Future reference. How can you not talk about garbage 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:09.600 fueling cars without mentioning Mr Fusion? So you thought about 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:12.080 that too, Yeah, immediately I told you menew what we 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:13.559 were doing. She's like, oh, like back to the Future, 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:15.960 And I was like, yeah, really, of course. I mean 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:17.920 I love that movie, but that's not what I think 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:20.040 of with garbage power cars. I forgot that he even 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:22.560 does that. Oh to me, that was a big impactful 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:24.560 scene at the end when he comes back in the 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:27.880 spaceship cracks open the Mr Fusion and puts like a 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:30.120 beer can and old beer and a banana pel in there. 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:32.360 I was like, oh, man, is that what the future 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:35.720 is gonna be like? And the answers, no, well, not 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:38.560 too far off. Maybe, Well let's talk about the how 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:43.800 Steven Spielberg got it wrong. That was is Robert se 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:47.679 mecas he produced it, that Spielberg producing I'm pretty sure 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:49.680 he did. Okay, you just want to blame him for everything. 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:55.640 I get a get a beef Spielberg beef. Um. Alright, 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:58.240 So gasification is what we're talking about, and it is 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:02.439 actually possible in this day and age, right now today 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:05.600 to create liquid fuel that you can burn in your 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:09.439 car from garbage. Yeah. Um. The the basis of this 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:13.160 is something called sin gas or synthesized or synthesis or 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:16.559 synthetic gas. Yes, but it's everybody's calls it sing gas 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:21.920 for sure, and it's the product of oh, I guess, 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:26.160 accelerated decomposition. Yeah, from what they call feedstock, which is 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:31.000 basically just your source fuel. And in this case, feed 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:34.840 stock can be everything from asphalt and sewage, fossil fuels. 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:38.520 Of course we know about uh two plastics, biomass and 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:44.120 agg waste and garbage municipal solid waste. Yeah. As long 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:47.560 as it's not metal or glass yea, and it's carbon 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:50.240 based it, well you can make sing gas out of it. 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:53.320 That should be in your recycling then people. Yeah, that 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:59.280 old bedframe of yours recycling. Um, although would if it's oh, 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:02.080 you mean the battle that frame. Yeah, yeah, you know 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:05.520 that that cheap one. They always it's like, that's so 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:09.959 hard to put together and you like pinch your fingers. Um. 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:14.440 So uh. The process of creating sin gas um uses 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:18.240 not combustion but intense heat, way more heat than it 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:22.480 would take for a normal combustion. I think degrees fahrenheight 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:25.640 um and about a thousand pounds of pressure. But it's 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:29.400 in a very low oxygen environment. So this stuff doesn't ignite, 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:33.480 it doesn't burn, It undergoes a chemical reaction called pyrolysis. Yeah. 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:36.280 The key here is heat without flame or one of 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:38.240 the keys. And this is not new. This sounds like 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:42.440 the future. But um, back in the six hundreds in 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:46.720 Belgium they were using wood and coal to power street 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:49.959 lamp so it was called town gas and they did 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:53.199 this also during World War Two during fuel shortages, they 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:57.640 made sin gas from wood chips and powered vehicles using them. 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:00.120 So it's not like a new thing, no. Pair. The 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:03.199 apartheid era South Africa did the same thing because they 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:07.000 were under international sanctions were basically cut off from the 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:10.400 rest of the world. Yeah remember that. Yeah, what was 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:14.800 the dude from the Eastreet Band he was the consultant 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:18.240 from Springsteen. No, the other guy, Glarence Clemens. No, the 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:21.400 other guy stevens An, Yes, little Stephen, he's who I 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:24.959 associate with. Don't play sun City. Yeah. I think it's 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:27.360 like a big proponent, I always think. And then he 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:29.920 did the Sopranos and forgot about son City, and now 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:32.480 he was a consultant and the guy who created the Sopranos. 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:35.160 Oh to being in a garage band in the sixties. Yeah, 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:37.160 I want to see that. I heard it's good, supposed 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:39.960 to be awesome. Um so okay, So you take your 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:44.480 your feedstock, which is what we're specifically talking about his 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:48.320 garbage today. Um, you take your garbage. Say you're been 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:51.160 an appeals, okay, and you want to dry him out 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:54.560 because that's how it goes. But you you put them 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:57.600 under in this thing called a gas of fire, which 0:11:57.640 --> 0:11:59.559 depending on whether you make went at home, which there's 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:02.320 videos on YouTube for how to make them, or you 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:04.400 could go down to Tampa and see one that's that 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:09.280 provides power for sixty homes. But a gas fire is this, 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:12.880 uh in this low oxygen, high pressure, high temperature environment 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:18.480 that produces pyrolysis. Um that chemical change that chemical decomposition 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:24.520 where this carbon based feedstock, uh, the volatile chemicals basically 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:27.959 separate from it and it becomes this thing called char, 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:33.920 and the char is further reduced to um, carbon monoxide, 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:38.240 and hydrogen, and that is sin gas. And that sin 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:43.520 gas alone could power certain types of vehicles. I think 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:49.640 the the Honda Civic in g V and apparently there 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.960 are in Toronto. Of course, in Canada they're always doing 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:56.120 great things like this. They have garbage trucks and busses 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:58.920 I think, or no, maybe dis garbage trucks that run 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:02.000 on compressed natural gas. So you could actually fuel it 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:05.560 with sin gas UM. In order to use that fuel, 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:10.040 what more widespread, you have to convert it to ethanol UM. 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:12.880 And there's a company that's interviewed in this article how 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:16.719 garbage powered cars could work. Yeah, I guess that's how 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:19.960 you say it. Yeah. UM. And they take sin gas 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:24.000 and they feed it to a bunch of um bacteria 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:27.640 in a vat of water. That's amazing, and this bacteria, 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:32.120 equally amazing, are patented. Disturbing. I don't think life forms 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:35.480 should be patentable, but yes, it is a patented bacteria 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:39.400 that eats sing gas. And then expels ethanol. And then 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:41.240 they add a little gasoline to the ethanol. The d 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:42.920 nature it so they don't have to pay a twenty 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:46.240 seven dollar a gallon liquor tax. Yeah, that's amazing to me. 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:48.559 It's almost the same thing as moonshine until you d 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:51.320 nature it. So they said, add a little gas to it, 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.320 and we don't have to pay that tax, right, spirit tax? 0:13:54.480 --> 0:14:00.320 How much is it? Like it's gallon? Yeah, and I 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:02.240 mean they're producing a lot of ethanol as much as 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:03.840 they can. That's a lot of extra money they don't 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:06.960 have to pay just from adding a little gasoline. Um, 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:11.280 and then what you have is engine grade ethanol ready 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:13.480 to be mixed with gasoline, which if you go to 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:15.840 a gas station, there's a pretty good chance you'll see 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:18.960 a sticker that says this gas may contain up the 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:22.800 fifteen percent ethanol. So your car that you're driving now 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:26.840 can run on the sin gas created from garbage, or 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:29.080 if you have a flex fuel car, uh, that that 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:33.280 can use up the ethanol gasoline. So we could use 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:37.200 even more of this stuff. Don't they have ethanol only pumps? Yeah, 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:40.960 like ten or they say, or ethanol only Oh is 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:42.960 that right? I think so I might be wrong there 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:46.200 that maybe flex fuel, which is more I've seen. I 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:49.080 have seen ethanol, but I've seen flex fuel more frequently. 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:53.800 And then you see like that ten mixture eighty five 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:58.600 gas or fifteen percent ethanol mixture like almost everywhere. Yeah, 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:00.760 that's how I screw up, like every eater I've ever had, 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:02.520 because you have to mix the oil and the and 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:05.400 the the two cycles. Gas man, I always do it wrong. 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:08.160 I remember that. He used to be like lawn boy, 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:11.520 why are you so difficult? So? Um, one of the 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:13.880 things you want to do here is well, first you 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:15.920 got to separate all the garbage. That's one of the problems. 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:20.840 But you want stuff that's uniform and stuff that, um, 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:23.800 if it melts, it's not good apparently. So even though 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:26.440 you can use things like diapers for gas and ethanol, 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:29.600 it's pretty awesome. Um, what you want is something more 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:33.520 like would something carbon base that well just sort of 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:37.080 disappear when it gets hot, right, um. And wood is 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:40.560 probably the best feedstock forcing gas because apparently it leaves 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:44.520 about two behind uh. And the rest is the rest 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:47.400 becomes sing gas. Uh. And it's not all sing gas 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:50.280 like there are other things, especially even in wood, something 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:55.720 is pure as would um, there are impurities. Uh, if 0:15:55.760 --> 0:16:00.560 you're burning PVC plastic, there's a lot of impurities. But 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:05.080 the beautiful thing about um using a gasifier to produce 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:07.360 sing gas from any kind of feed stock is it's 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:12.840 this closed um system and you can control and separate 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:16.800 all those different chemicals and impurities out, so you just 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:20.760 have piercing gas, which when burned has burned at a 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:23.840 really high temperature, so it has almost no emissions when 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:26.120 you use just the sing gas. And that's no matter 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:30.040 what feed stock is originally used, zero emissions because whatever 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:31.880 feeds like you use, you can you can sort these 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:35.280 impurities out and in some cases you can reuse the impurities, 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:39.160 like if you use discarded tires. Apparently there's a hundred 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:42.560 and eighty eight million scrap tires just sitting around in 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:48.680 the US breeding mosquitoes catching fire randomly for eight months. Yeah. Um, 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:51.960 they figured out that they can use tires, scrap tires 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:55.760 as a feedstock for sing gas and even cooler. After 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:57.920 the sing gas is separated, you still have that char 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:01.800 leftover you can use at and it's more efficient than 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:05.560 regular coal. Really yeah wow, So I mean there's really 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:09.600 not too many downsides to creating sing gas because you're 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:12.840 especially if you're using it as if you're using garbage 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:15.800 as a fizza, because it was gonna go to waste anyway, right, True, 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:18.199 that's a good point, um, And I don't know if 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:21.920 you'd count them as problems. There are some setbacks, Uh. 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:24.040 The reason why this isn't so widespread is there are 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:29.399 setbacks like, um, you know, you gotta sort through this waste. 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:31.800 You can't just go to your landfill and dump a 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:34.800 truckload of garbage. You know, you have to separate it 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:36.240 and make sure it's the right kind of stuff. So 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:37.639 that costs money. You have to get rid of the 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:41.520 bed frames, the glass, that stuff, yep, and so, and 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:43.320 you need to get it fairly uniform. So there is 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:46.560 some money, um, and costs involved in in the like 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:50.680 the preparatory stages that probably I guess aren't feasible right 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:53.480 now in a widespread manner. And then there's also the 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:55.560 thing we've talked about this plenty of times. Remember we 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:58.640 talk about energies, the net energy ratio. Yeah, you want 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:01.119 more energy put out then you put into it or 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:04.320 else it's just not viable. And apparently a study of biofuels, 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:08.360 found that almost all of them require more energy. Like 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:14.600 the lowest they found more sunflower oil. Apparently, like a 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:18.399 biofuel based on that requires more. So you have to 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:21.440 put in two to get out one or one to one. 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:25.680 So that's the battle then to keep making that smaller. Right, 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:28.159 But the beauty thing with sing gases, that's not necessarily 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:31.280 the case. Now I don't know about this this company, 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:36.760 what is it costaca um what how much more coskata? 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:39.880 How much more energy it requires for them to turn 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:45.159 that sing gas into um ethanol? And if they you know, 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:48.080 if there's a net energy loss or a gain or what. 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:52.040 But um, if you're just burning sing gas, there's it's 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:56.520 it's it's very elegant, it's very clean, and there's um 0:18:56.560 --> 0:19:01.680 there's like I think it's it's a net energy gain. Awesome. Well, 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:03.119 one of the other problems is you gotta dry it 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:06.520 out to UH. You can't throw like you can use 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:11.800 waste materials like um biomass uh like leftover pulp and 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:15.159 stuff from wood mills, grass and corn. But that's moist 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:17.720 and so you have to remove the moisture, which is 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:20.840 gonna cost a little more money. And then the article 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:22.480 mentions too. On the other end, you're gonna have a 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:28.120 little issue with uh ash producing too much ash, right, 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:30.160 depending on what you use. Yeah, so that's like what 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:32.160 you said, wood is the best because they only produce 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:35.960 about two But um, if you're not using wood, you're 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:38.280 gonna have leftover ash to deal with. But it can, 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:41.439 like we found with tires punting old tires, you you 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:43.399 have that stuff left over, and sometimes it can be 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:46.040 useful depending on what you're doing with that's true. And 0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:49.200 I know they recycled the water use in the little 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:53.480 bacterial process, which is kind of cool. Um. Another advantage 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:56.399 of creating sin gases. I read a study that found 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:59.560 you can take c O two and inject it into 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:02.960 a gap a fire and it actually produces more sin gas, 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:07.360 more carbon monoxide. Right, So that if you can sequest 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:09.680 your CEO two from say like a regular cold fire 0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:12.040 power plant and bringing it to a sin gas plant, 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:14.400 you can use it for that to convert it into 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:18.960 something useful rather than just polluting it. Interesting. Yeah, yeah, 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:22.480 And I think that this stuff, like, the more you 0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:26.680 work toward these problems, the cheaper it's it's gonna get. 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:29.280 I mean, one of the reasons that petroleum is the 0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:31.159 way to go is because we've been using it for 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:33.760 so long and it's become like one of the more 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:38.480 uh cost efficient ways to fuel a car. Um may 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:40.800 not seem like it these days, but they've got the 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:43.560 process downpacks they've been doing it for you know, decades, 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:46.320 Like think about fifty or sixty years from now where 0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:48.560 we might be with some of this stuff, be using 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:51.280 bananas and beer, just putting it right into our car. 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:53.800 You know, how about this dude, chip Beam? Did you 0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:57.200 look this guy up? He's the guy that Yeah, he 0:20:57.320 --> 0:21:00.359 took an all this easy trooper and basically cut the 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:03.919 rear um covered portion out to where it has like 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:07.480 a pickup bed and has a big kettle there where 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:10.479 he burns wood chips. And he has been running this 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:13.040 eight eight a scissor trooper on wood for quite a 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:18.240 while now to stop speed not too bad. Yeah it's 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:21.240 good city speed. Yeah it's getting around town car and 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:24.000 uh apparently it's it's it's the original engine. Like he 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:26.240 didn't have to modify the engine at all. And it 0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:29.720 smells like faintly of charcoal barbecue. That's really interesting that 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:32.560 he didn't modify the engine, not the least bed and 0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:35.480 crazy and he's working on a Mercury and ninety one 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:40.040 Mercury cougar. His goal is to make the fastest wood 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:43.720 burning car in the world. His goal, So I guess 0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:46.120 forty five if he wants to go like seventy Didn't 0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:49.119 that just the voke images of like Granny Clampit, like 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:52.720 on a rocking chair on top of the Clampit family car. Yeah, 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:54.840 I like this guy that. That's pretty awesome. I do too, 0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:57.080 But I had a question about his setup. So, like, 0:21:57.160 --> 0:22:00.359 if you're creating sin gas and like this closed and ironment, 0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:03.920 you're able to trap impurities and use them or sequester 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:05.880 them or do whatever with them to keep them from 0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:09.600