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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 2: We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and

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Speaker 2: what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling ravalry. No, no, sibling.

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Speaker 2: You don't do that with your mouth revelry. That's good,

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Speaker 2: oliverer Hudson here back on sibling revelry. Yes, and it

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Speaker 2: is Oliver Hudson, the one, the only, Oliver Hudson. My

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Speaker 2: sister is yet again on set working making a ton

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Speaker 2: of money. Well, I am here doing this podcast. You

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Speaker 2: know why because I fucking love it. That's right, I

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Speaker 2: love to do this. I'm here and I'm very excited

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Speaker 2: to talk to my My guest's coming up, John Owen

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Speaker 2: and Matt Low. Friends with Matt or big fishermen. He's

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Speaker 2: been on my boat, and I'm excited to get into

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Speaker 2: their lives. I mean, this is pretty interesting situation. It's

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Speaker 2: not dissimilar to how I grew up, but the difference

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Speaker 2: is is that they have like a sexy ass dad

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Speaker 2: who they're girlfriends. I'm sure want to bone you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean? You know, Rob Low, It's fucking Rob Low,

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Speaker 2: for Christ's sakes. So it's a little bit different. I

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Speaker 2: would say. I know, Rob, amazing guy, amazing father. You know,

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to talk to John Owen a little bit

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Speaker 2: about sort of his sobriety honestly where that came from.

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Speaker 2: And you know what, I'm actually reading this book right

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Speaker 2: now by a guy named Alan car and it's I

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Speaker 2: don't know the exact title, but it's it's how to

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Speaker 2: cut down on Drinking. Okay. Alan Carr has done has

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Speaker 2: written many books, but he did a famous book about

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Speaker 2: quitting smoking, and everyone who would read it would quit

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Speaker 2: smoking because and I'm reading this book because I don't

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Speaker 2: think I'm an alcoholic.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: I know I talked about on this podcast how I

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Speaker 2: drink and blah blah blah blah. But it just feels

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Speaker 2: like it's too much, you know. Can I stop? Yes?

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Speaker 2: But I'm just interested in why I might drink as

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Speaker 2: much as I do in a sitting. And I know

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Speaker 2: that when I do sort of take two weeks off,

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Speaker 2: how amazing I feel? I don't know. Anyway, this is

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Speaker 2: now now everything's just coming out of my from my

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Speaker 2: head and out of my mouth. Anyway. Here I am

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Speaker 2: Oliver Hudson, just fucking crushing everything in this world. Let's

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Speaker 2: bring on Matt and John let's get into it. Well,

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Speaker 2: first of all, really cool to have you guys on.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it. My sister's working, she's not able to

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Speaker 2: be here, but who gives a shit about her anyway, right,

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Speaker 2: you know, yeah, it'll be better like this. So, you know, Johnny,

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Speaker 2: if we met.

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Speaker 1: I think so.

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Speaker 3: I think we met at some like football game in

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Speaker 3: a Fox suite.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was playoffs, that's right.

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Speaker 2: It could have been the super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: It could have been.

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Speaker 3: Sound we're really something like Fairweather fans right now or whatever.

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Speaker 2: No, I know, but on the Super Bowl, your dad

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Speaker 3: I think, actually you know what it was. It may

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Speaker 3: have been the super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he was on the field, or maybe

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Speaker 2: it was the playoff game prior to that. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: do you know how I think you know how.

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Speaker 3: He gets down to the field in the Super Bowl

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Speaker 3: because I've seen it happen before.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is a great one.

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Speaker 3: He has a saying he'll be mad at me for

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Speaker 3: saying this publicly. Where he goes, I just don't stop

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Speaker 3: just walk. He'll just walk, and it's really annoying to

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Speaker 3: watch it work. Yeah, and it does work.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, it's just it's that confidence, you know. I mean,

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Speaker 2: on everyone's insecurities that we all have, meaning like, oh shit,

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Speaker 2: if this guy's so confident that he's a member, I

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's raw confidence and probably borderline narcissism.

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, yeah, there's a little bit of healthy

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Speaker 1: of course, I also think it helps when you're going

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Speaker 2: Oh, all right, Well along those sneaking in lines like

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Speaker 2: Hillcrest Country Club, in LA and I know his dad

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Speaker 2: They didn't even know who he was. So I would

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Speaker 2: Alex Cassen. So now for a year I go there

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Speaker 2: and everyone knows me as Alex. They call me Alex.

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Speaker 2: I'm playing on the golf course, you know, I become

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Speaker 2: the fuck are you doing? I'm like, I like golf.

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Speaker 3: How old were doing that?

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Speaker 2: I was like sixteen seventeen, you know that's right.

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Speaker 3: That feels like the right age to be to be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm forty I'm forty seven now and I still

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Speaker 1: This was last year, yeah, yeah, or I never did

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Speaker 1: my member number. Oh yeah, totally high school days.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. I used to sneak onto the Riviera golf course,

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Speaker 2: gobbled up by these older groups, these older men, man,

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Speaker 2: oh hey, they were so excited that like a fifteen

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Speaker 2: I would plague golf with all these members, with them

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Speaker 2: thinking that I was some junior member. I was a

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 2: I was entrepreneurial, beyond I mean beyond anything. But it

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Speaker 1: It was before the it was before the days of

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Speaker 2: Dude, exactly, I had a Laminator and so it was

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Speaker 3: Hawaii is gnarly. That can't work often.

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Speaker 2: Oh dude, they were all terrible, Like I think everyone

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Speaker 3: Just fucking so many kids over Oh god.

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Speaker 2: I know, they line up outside of my friend's like

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Speaker 2: But hey, the spirit was there, execution was there, but

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: Well, thanks for thanks you guys. I just want to

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Speaker 2: grew up similarly to how sort of I grew up,

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Speaker 2: guys get these questions all the time. Right. First of all,

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Speaker 2: going into the business, you know, Matt, you decided to

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Speaker 1: Honestly, I saw a lot of what it brought early on,

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Speaker 1: I give, and I have it so down to a science. Now,

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Speaker 1: early realized that I'll let the Despians and the family

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm. And Johnny, were you just born into it?

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Speaker 2: I mean, because here's the thing, like, you know, it's cool,

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Speaker 2: it's interesting. Honestly, Matt, that you're not because you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And a lot of what I'm able to do

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Speaker 1: success that he's seen throughout his career, where I don't

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Speaker 1: that is due to me being really smart, tenacious and

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Speaker 1: a great person. But it's also I was afforded certain

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Speaker 1: So that is not lost on me either.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're not getting into Duke because of your dad.

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Speaker 1: Certainly not. And then I didn't pass Rob didn't go

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Speaker 2: Right exactly exactly how much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, our parents would have done that if they could

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Speaker 1: have Johnny, Johnny was almost on the USC rowing team.

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Speaker 1: It's okay, that's right.

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Speaker 3: My joke that that is really not a joke in

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Speaker 3: Matthew would agree, is like if we hadn't been as

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Speaker 3: hard of workers as we were, we probably would have

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Speaker 3: been in the college admission scandal. Like we're willing to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that this is it supposes a really interesting question.

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Speaker 2: Who gave you the hard work? Did you see that?

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Speaker 2: Did you witness it? Is it genetic? You know? Because

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Speaker 2: if I'm if I could change one thing about me, honestly,

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Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, especially rebuilding those new engines. Oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well he was we had they were strict. Our

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Speaker 1: Like we knew pretty early on that neither Johnny and

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Speaker 3: You were more, you a acquiesced better, like you fit

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Speaker 2: Sure don't you think that you know, you should be

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that that was something that we

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I'm a dad, now, you know. I

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Speaker 1: started to get into self, my own self work, after

436
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 1: seeing you know, the successes that Johnny and my dad

437
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 1: have had in twelve step programs, where I was like, Okay,

438
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: well maybe there's a version of this that I can

439
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 1: go do for myself that would just help me understand

440
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 1: my own character and who I am as a person,

441
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 1: as a man outside of like my family unit.

442
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, what would you say? You know, your your

443
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 2: pitfalls are, Matt? You know, I mean, I'll get back

444
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 2: to you, yeah, because I want to keep talking about this,

445
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 2: but like, yeah, Matt, we're you know, we we know

446
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 2: each other. We haven't gotten deep you know, we've talked

447
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 2: about fucking white sea bass and yellow tail. We haven't

448
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 2: gotten deep deepsts and but yeah, how are you? How

449
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 2: are you fucked up? Yeah?

450
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I think for me, I saw very

451
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: early that it was always like oh, your Roblow's son

452
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,120
Speaker 1: or oh your dad's so cool. What's that like, what's

453
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: it like? I was like, you know, it's it's great,

454
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: it's cool. I love them, but I'm Matthew Low, like,

455
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 1: let's bring the conversation back to me. And I think

456
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 1: that was a little bit of the reason why I said,

457
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm going to go outside of the

458
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 1: family business. I'm going to do something completely different and

459
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 1: make a name for myself where I know that any

460
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: successes I have career wise are because of my own

461
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 1: merit and what I did for myself. And I think

462
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 1: that goes back to a deeper thing of just self

463
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 1: confidence and and really trying to understand who I am

464
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: as a person outside of the family. And I think

465
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 1: that that was something growing up that I lacked, was

466
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: a like really really hardcore sense of self. I mean,

467
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: I knew who I was, but I always knew that

468
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: it was a little less than some of my peers.

469
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,199
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm mm hmmm. And then that just sort of

470
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,959
Speaker 2: can take hold and snowball insecurity.

471
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. And I, you know, at thirty years old,

472
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 1: look back and I'm like, Okay, I definitely see it,

473
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: and I see where I started to separate from it

474
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: and become the healthy version of myself that I am today.

475
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: And you know, I look back and say, it's crazy

476
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: where I was and then versus am now. But I

477
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 1: wouldn't have had it any other way because I couldn't

478
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: be happier with the version of myself that I am

479
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 1: at thirty years old.

480
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 2: Of course, dude, I mean, you know that self reflection

481
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 2: is so huge. I suffer from major, major anxiety, like

482
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 2: back in my twenties. It started, and I'm sure it's

483
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 2: started well before that. But you know, I'm on lexapro

484
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 2: and I'm you know, fucking yeah, just trying to like

485
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 2: get through the day.

486
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like everyone is on something

487
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 1: these days, man, Yeah, And I think it's less about that.

488
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 1: I think it's more about technology, society. The world used

489
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: to be so much smaller. It's now so interconnected. Everyone

490
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: knows everyone else's business. You only see the best parts

491
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: of people's lives out there. You don't see their inner struggle.

492
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 1: So everything looks peachy and perfect, and it's just it's

493
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 1: a very different world.

494
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

495
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 2: Now, growing up, Johnny, because both of you guys were

496
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 2: just because your dad, you know, was in recovery and

497
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 2: was sober how was he How did he deal with alcohol,

498
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 2: you know, and weed even growing up? And I only

499
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 2: asked that because you know, my son's sixteen and he's

500
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 2: you know, he drinks. You know, I'm not saying he

501
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 2: drinks at home, but of course he's going to go

502
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 2: to a party he's sixteen and have like, you know,

503
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 2: some vodka shots or whatever and smoke weed, and you know,

504
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 2: I mean, this is just what kids do. You know,

505
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:13,239
Speaker 2: How did dad handle that?

506
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 3: I think he was he did his best. I mean,

507
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 3: he was sensitive to it, for sure. They were sensitive.

508
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 3: My parents were both and my mom has addiction on

509
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 3: her side as well. She was affected by you know,

510
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 3: in both of her parents, and so they were really sensitive.

511
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 3: They kept a pretty close eye on it. And I think,

512
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 3: you know, to be perfectly honest, I think I had

513
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 3: a drug and alcohol counselor by the time I was

514
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 3: fifteen years old.

515
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 2: Is that because you were drinking, you were partaking.

516
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 3: I was definitely drinking a lot.

517
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll say this that our experiences were different, and

518
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: I think from at that point you could tell that

519
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: the consumption was a little bit different between the two

520
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: of us.

521
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 2: Give me an idea, because like when you're fifteen or sixteen, right,

522
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 2: like what are you consuming?

523
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 3: I think it was. It's more so the effects, Like

524
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 3: like we would both go out to a party and

525
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 3: Matthew would come home tipsy or fun drunk, and I

526
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 3: would be blacked out, Like everything I was. I was

527
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 3: like stumbling in, making a mess in the kitchen, passing

528
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 3: in the pantry.

529
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't remember a time when Johnny would

530
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: like touch it and be like I'm having one drink.

531
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: It was I'm drinking. I'm blacked out.

532
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 3: To this day, i'd still say that. I'm like, I'm

533
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 3: never going to go back to it, but if I did,

534
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,479
Speaker 3: I'd block out. I don't see the reason why you wouldn't,

535
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 3: and that's why I'm sober. I don't understand why you

536
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 3: wouldn't do that, Like it doesn't.

537
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: I'm the guy out here that you know, when I

538
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: go out on a date with my girlfriends, I'll have

539
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: like one espress a martini, stip it throughout the meal

540
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: and be like that was great, I'm good.

541
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 3: I used to get so mad at him too. I'd

542
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 3: be like, you're not fucking drinking, right, man, you gotta

543
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 3: we got to if you're gonna do it, do.

544
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 2: It right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh my god, dude, I yeah, Johnny,

545
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: and I know what you're talking about. It's like, what's

546
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 2: the point of two drinks?

547
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 3: I never understand it. I'll stay home, I go. I

548
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 3: don't think.

549
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 2: But what was it like growing up as brothers going

550
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 2: through Were you tight? First of all, were you guys tight?

551
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're only two years ago.

552
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 3: We shared friend groups and.

553
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 2: We did went to the high school. Yeah, so you

554
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 2: guys would party together and go out together and yeah,

555
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 2: and then did you did you, Matt? Were you ever like, dude,

556
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 2: you gotta chill, you know? Or were you just so

557
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 2: many times as you re lot as you might have

558
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 2: had an issue or you like just get too drunk

559
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 2: or you're like you got a problem.

560
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: At first, it was like, oh, man, like he's really partying.

561
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: This is funny. And then it got as we got

562
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: old of it, Okay, this is going to become a problem,

563
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: And then it progressed to this is a problem. But

564
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: I was cognizant enough to understand that after so many

565
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: times of helping someone, they have to want to help themselves, right,

566
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: And it was like, Okay, it's just my job to

567
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: make sure that I can get you to that point

568
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: alive that you want to help yourself, and you did.

569
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: You got to that point.

570
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, And how did that happen for you? Johnny?

571
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean, I definitely think it's it's it's

572
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 3: a resounding truth in recovery that you no one else

573
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 3: can get you sober, you know, you have to want

574
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 3: it yourself. For me, it was and I think this is,

575
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 3: you know, a tenant to recovery is like a lot

576
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 3: of it was something great than me. You know, I

577
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 3: feel like I can only take so much responsibility. It

578
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 3: was I believe in a higher power, and I think

579
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 3: that mine specifically was looking out for me on the

580
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 3: day I decided to stop drinking. But you know, more tangibly,

581
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 3: I was depleting my body over time. I was really

582
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 3: messed up. I was, you know, in and out of

583
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 3: hospitals and I'm super fortunate that my bottom wasn't as

584
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 3: low as it could have been, but it was pretty

585
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 3: pretty low. I tell a lot of newcomers this like

586
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 3: so much of recognizing the problem as recognizing how it

587
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 3: how you feel, how drinking makes you feel, because everybody

588
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 3: wants to get in to the tangibles. How many drinks

589
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 3: if I'm having this many drinks this week? Am I

590
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 3: an alcoholic? If I get drunk? Well, you know, if

591
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 3: I don't drink alone. I never drink alone. But I did,

592
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 3: and I'm always like I don't. That's irrelevant to me

593
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 3: because it takes so many different shapes and sizes. It's

594
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 3: always it always boils down to argue a different person

595
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 3: when you drink and does it make you feel good?

596
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 3: And truth? I felt like shit, I knew it didn't

597
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 3: make me feel good, and I was definitely a different person.

598
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 3: And so it was like just a modicum of self

599
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 3: awareness mixed with you know, right place, right time spiritually.

600
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. And was it that moment, you know, because

601
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: did you have that moment, that bottom moment when it's like, dude,

602
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 2: I can't do this anymore.

603
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, what's funny. It's a funny story. I

604
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 3: think it's a good lesson, Like was I had wanted

605
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 3: to be sober for years. I was making what there's

606
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 3: a term for it.

607
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: I love.

608
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 3: It's called like like bunker concessions with yourself where you're

609
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 3: like bunkered up in your head and you're like, okay,

610
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get I was twenty one. I was like,

611
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get sober twenty five, that's my cutoff. And

612
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 3: then a couple of weeks go by of just misery,

613
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 3: and you're like, all right, I'll get sober. I'm twenty two,

614
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 3: I don't know. Several more weeks go by and you're like,

615
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna fucking make it through college. I know

616
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna get sober in college. And it gets

617
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 3: that margin gets smaller and smaller with more misery. And

618
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 3: then I was in Cabo on spring break with my fraternity,

619
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 3: which is a great you know, that's if ye you're

620
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 3: gonna fuck your life, yeah, right, And I was like

621
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 3: in a hospital. I thought it was so cool that

622
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 3: I like went straight from the hospital out to squid

623
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 3: Row and like cut my hospital band off. You know,

624
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 3: at this point it's entertaining to nobody except myself.

625
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 2: And you were in the hospital thin Cabo.

626
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,719
Speaker 3: Yeah. I drank myself into a stupor and ended up

627
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 3: in the hospital there, and I was on the flight

628
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 3: home and I was like I'm done, I'm done, and

629
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 3: I landed and I remember I went to drinks with

630
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 3: Matthew and my dad's agent, Richard Whites, and I was

631
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 3: like I was done in my head. I landed got

632
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 3: hammered at this dinner, and then I I was like,

633
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 3: all right, I'm done. And this was probably a Thursday.

634
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 3: I drink every night that weekend, going like that's it,

635
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 3: that's it, that's it, just going balls to the wall.

636
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 3: And then finally that Sunday, I was like, Okay, I

637
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 3: can't do this. I don't know what done means. So

638
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 3: I literally went to my parents and I was like,

639
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know what I'm doing, but

640
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 3: I don't want to be doing it anymore. So that

641
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 3: was the moment. But it's been fascinating to me that like,

642
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 3: even when I was finished and I was really I

643
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 3: could feel it, I couldn't. I couldn't figure out how

644
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 3: to stop doing it. I needed help.

645
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: I remember a moment where I was like, oh, he

646
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: is so shit, Like at the end of the end

647
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: is coming. When you told me you were at Stanford,

648
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, I have a bottle of Tito's under

649
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: my bed, and if it gets a fourth of the

650
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: way empty, I get anxiety that it's going to be

651
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,720
Speaker 1: that I need to go get more. I was like, oh, dude,

652
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: this kid is this kid needs it.

653
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 3: I don't even remember that's I mean, I definitely remember.

654
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: I think it was. I think it was post uh

655
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: breaking your wrist on a scooter?

656
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I broke go to the air quotes.

657
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 3: I fell down a flight of stairs, really messed up,

658
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 3: broke my rs, slept on it went, went woke up

659
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 3: with a very broken wrist and was like. I remember

660
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 3: getting my friends in my fraternity being like, you guys

661
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 3: got to take me to hospital and they were like,

662
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 3: all right, but we got to stop at Phil's Coffee

663
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 3: on the way there. I was like, hell, yeah, we're

664
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 3: stop for coming up and uh and yeah. I told

665
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 3: my parents I fell off a scooter and they believed

666
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 3: it for years. In fact, I think they only only

667
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 3: had like a year or two ago did I tell

668
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 3: them the truth?

669
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 2: But that's so funny. Yeah, well how did you get?

670
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 2: How did Matt? How did you? I know you said

671
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: there's only so much you can do, you know, I mean,

672
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 2: you have to let whoever it is that you love,

673
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 2: who is in that kind of pain and misery, find

674
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 2: their own bottom and then you know, seek help for themselves.

675
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 2: But as a brother, as someone who you know who

676
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 2: you love, not knowing how to sort of push him

677
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 2: to anything and letting him figure out himself. What did

678
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 2: that relationship look like, you know, because did you just

679
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 2: go along sort of like as normal brothers or was

680
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 2: it like a you know, and similar with your with

681
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 2: your parents too, Johnny, I know your dad probably was

682
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 2: under the same I had the same ideas, like, well,

683
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 2: he needs to find it himself, but aware of the severity.

684
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they were. I think they were aware

685
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: of it. You know. The way that I took things

686
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: was there were certain things that I was okay with

687
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: partaking in with him, which I probably shouldn't have knowing

688
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: it how much of a problem it was. And then

689
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,439
Speaker 1: there were certain things where it got too much where

690
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: I was like okay, like I can step in here

691
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: and be like no. And then it was a lot

692
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: of just the nitty grit gritty of if he's super

693
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: blacked out, like getting him home or just making sure

694
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: he's not going to like throw up in his sleep

695
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 1: or something like that. When it got to that point,

696
00:36:54,920 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: and then I kind of got staved personally by him

697
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: going to college and like Okay, well he's gonna do

698
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,720
Speaker 1: what he's gonna do in college, Like he has fraternity

699
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: brothers and it'll be finding good. But you know, I actually.

700
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 3: I was. I was hopeful he's got frat brothers, he's

701
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 3: gonna be just yeah. Maybe it was so much just

702
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 3: an utter condemnation, like.

703
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: It'll be good anybody.

704
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 3: Also, I trust an alcoholic, but it's fraternity.

705
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 2: Right right, right, right?

706
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe my fraternity was a little different. I also

707
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: think though, that we were pretty lucky, lucky and unlucky

708
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: in that we partied pretty hard in high school. So

709
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I think he's got the worst

710
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: out of his system, man like, and I made sure

711
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: he was good then and I and I was probably

712
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: different for him than it was for me. But I know,

713
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: at least for me, when I got to college, I

714
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: mellowed out as opposed to going hard. And I don't

715
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: know about you, Johnny, but that was the case with me.

716
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it was less. High school was

717
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 3: more about trying new things and taking risks, and in

718
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 3: college I'd figured out how I liked to get messed up,

719
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 3: So I was like, it was less. The world of

720
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 3: it wasn't as big, but the amount of damage I

721
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 3: was doing was equal, for sure.

722
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 2: But it was simple and when you talk about misery,

723
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 2: you know, because you're like, you're just miserable, miserable, miserable,

724
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 2: you know. I mean when I drink, I'm not right.

725
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,959
Speaker 2: Even if I drink, you know, a thousand drinks, I'm

726
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 2: happy and it's fun and I like it. You know,

727
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 2: you're miserable the next day that when you speak about misery,

728
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 2: are you even talking about in the moment of drinking

729
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 2: it's miserable? It was miserable or like the hangover you know,

730
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, No, it's.

731
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 3: Definitely not just the hangover, because that that that's physical. No,

732
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 3: it's yeah, yeah, I know, it's the because it's the

733
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 3: intentions behind while you're drinking too, a lot of like

734
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 3: masking pain and you know self, if you're self medicating,

735
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 3: then then it's not fun. And I wasn't present. It

736
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 3: wasn't like, let's go out to a bar with you know,

737
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 3: friends and have good times. I was like, let's that

738
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 3: those were just the circumstances for me. I was like, yes,

739
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 3: I will be at a bar with friends, but it's

740
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 3: not about that. It's about how can I get blackout

741
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 3: drunk so that I don't have to feel the way

742
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 3: I'm feeling right now, And it's just you know, I

743
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 3: think at its simplest form, it's like I wasn't happy

744
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 3: with myself. I wasn't happy with the way I was

745
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 3: navigating life or who I was, And alcohol was was

746
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 3: how I chose to medicate that. But you learn in

747
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 3: recovery that like when I stopped drinking, that didn't fix

748
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 3: the problem. That just took me, you know, the immediate

749
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 3: danger of a way I was trying to fix the problem.

750
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 3: The problem was you know, insecurity, ego stuff, and through

751
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 3: a already of self awareness, I have you know, patched

752
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 3: those problems. But quitting drinking wasn't like I wasn't like.

753
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 2: I'm done right right, Well, then you're you know, it's

754
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 2: almost a symptom, you know, something deeper, right, and then

755
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 2: translating that into what you do. You're an actor, you know, producer, actor,

756
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 2: you do all your stuff right, and you're working with

757
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 2: your dad and all your solo stuff as well. But

758
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 2: when you're getting into this business and you talk about

759
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,760
Speaker 2: insecurity and self esteem, you know, how did that play

760
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 2: out for you or how does that play out for

761
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 2: you as an actor? Your dad being who he is,

762
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 2: you know, because and again I asked questions from experience. Yea, everyone,

763
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 2: you know, I'm happy of my career. It's been amazing, right,

764
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 2: I've been a lot of money. I've been on TV

765
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 2: shows for many years. I've been leads and blah blah blah.

766
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 2: People would kill for my career who are trying to

767
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: be actors. But I've got Goldiehunt, I've got Kurt Russell,

768
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 2: I've got Kate Hudson, and then I've got Wyat now

769
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 2: my brother, who's just crushing it. I've always felt like

770
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: a black sheep, and it's always just it's self imposed.

771
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 2: You know, there's an insecurity, there's a self esteem issue.

772
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 2: There is Am I good enough? Am I as good

773
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 2: as my family?

774
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: Are?

775
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 2: People looking at me like, oh, he's the worst one.

776
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 2: I mean, these are all catastrophizing, you know, and creating

777
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 2: a narrative. Do you have Did you have any of that?

778
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 3: Fuck? Yeah? Yeah, no, I still have it. It's all

779
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 3: about learning how to deal with it in a healthy way.

780
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 3: I think it's it would be you know, I think

781
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 3: anyone's lying if they say they don't have that in

782
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 3: some regard. I don't think even people with you know,

783
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 3: from a background of nepotism or connections. Don't have it,

784
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 3: you always have it. There's always it's an illness of comparison,

785
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 3: right Exactlytive and I talk about it a lot with

786
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 3: my my friend. You know, I have a lot of

787
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 3: creative friends, and if I'm having a bad day, I

788
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 3: wake up I'm having a bad day where I'm not

789
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 3: centered and plugged into the healthy stuff, then I'll find anything.

790
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 3: It doesn't need that. That's the truth of it. And

791
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 3: that's honestly what brings me piece is. It doesn't even

792
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 3: need to be about my dad. It could be that

793
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 3: my best friend just booked this huge role that I

794
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 3: and then I go, what the fuck am I doing

795
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 3: with my life? So it's just like me.

796
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 2: It's just like me, dude. Like everyone asked a question like,

797
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 2: are you do you have envy of you know, your

798
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 2: peers are jealous. I'm like yeah, everyone says they don't

799
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 2: and they're all fucking lying. I'm like, yeah, even if

800
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 2: it's a even if it's a female who I have

801
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 2: no competition. I'm like, how come I can't do that?

802
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 2: How come I'm not getting that?

803
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not even in your guys's industry, And

804
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: I have that with my peers as well. Who Yeah,

805
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, why is that guy doing this? Man? It's

806
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 1: it's a universal feeling.

807
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, yeah, it's it's definitely. Uh. I think it's

808
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 3: healthy to feel like that. I think it's healthy to

809
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 3: note to allow yourself to feel that and then not

810
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 3: ruminate in it. That's the difference. But you know, specifically

811
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 3: the stuff with my dad, I think that was something

812
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 3: I had to tackle early on in my career, once

813
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 3: I had figured out I was going to work in entertainment,

814
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 3: and I used the truth is I choose to look

815
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 3: at it. And now, because we're on a show together,

816
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 3: we do. You know, we're both executive producers on it.

817
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 3: We're both co creators. You know, he's not a writer.

818
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 2: But he all right, this is the one you're on now, right, Yeah,

819
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 2: this is Unstable. Yeah, what's a what's it called give

820
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 2: a little pluggy plug?

821
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's on It's called Unstable. It's on Netflix. The

822
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 3: first season is out, the second season comes out soon.

823
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if we've already set our release date

824
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 3: or not. So I don't know.

825
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 2: I'm aw to say, by the way, Starry interrupt because

826
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 2: I want to keep going, But like, how great is

827
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 2: it though, to be able to work with your father?

828
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 2: Fuck about net nepotism, talk about it, fucking security. Fuck

829
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 2: if you're great or you're not great. At the end

830
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 2: of the day, when when we're dying on our deathbeds,

831
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 2: what are we looking at? You know? For me personally,

832
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 2: I'm not looking at awards, honestly, I'm looking at my children.

833
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 2: I'm looking at experiences. For you. To be able to

834
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 2: have that experience of working with your father creating something

835
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 2: in a field that you both love, I mean, you

836
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 2: can't can't get better than that. It's so sick. I'm

837
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: trying to convince my mother to do it. I'm like,

838
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 2: just do a show with me. Yeah, you know, and

839
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:31,760
Speaker 2: we're trying to find something.

840
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 3: You took the words out of my mouth. Truthfully, I

841
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 3: was going to say that that that The healthy place

842
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 3: I've come to with it is like as sad as

843
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 3: a statement is, like, when he's gone, I'll have this,

844
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 3: like this will exists forever. I'll get to look back

845
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 3: and go like, oh my god, we shared all of

846
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 3: those moments together. That that is so special. So many

847
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 3: people don't have that. And if I can focus on

848
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 3: that the rest of the stuff, it's just noise. It's

849
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 3: just bullshit.

850
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 2: M On a day to day, do you guys work

851
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 2: well together?

852
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we do. We feel we're being like and

853
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 3: it's so special and I'm like.

854
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 2: Right, so, like I hate him, this guy he's directing

855
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 2: me the horror horribly.

856
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,320
Speaker 3: Look, we have very similar taste, which makes it easy.

857
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 3: So you know, when we're doing things off camera, it's

858
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 3: very copathetic. I would say when we butt heads is

859
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 3: when we're acting together. And he's very opinionated, and I

860
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 3: think I know he just wants the best for me.

861
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 3: It can be frustrating at times, just I mean, the

862
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 3: show is about our relationship and it's about it's a

863
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 3: it's a.

864
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 2: Give give what's the little elevator pitch on it?

865
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: I have lost I have a quick little tidbit. And Johnny,

866
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 1: you haven't even heard this one. I recently came into

867
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: contact with someone in the Netflix ecosystem who worked on,

868
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: works with or on Unstable. I won't reveal anymore, and

869
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: I was like, how is it working with Johnny and Rob?

870
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: And they're like, oh my god, they're the best, Like

871
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: they're both so sweet, they're so nice. Your dad, he

872
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: is such a legend. He's so great and he's like

873
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: the most interesting nice human being because he'll be super

874
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: super nice and then he'll say with a smile on

875
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: his face something you and you realize that he's actually

876
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: telling you that you just did something very wrong, but

877
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: he's smiling and he's so nice about it, And I

878
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, that checks out, Like and Johnny has

879
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: never done anything like that. He's super sweet to be

880
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: around and very great. I'm like, yeah, that sounds about

881
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: their working relationship.

882
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's that's accurate. Yeah, the show is basically

883
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 3: a dad who's a larger than life character who society loves,

884
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 3: he's beloved, and it's a son who does not see

885
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 3: what the rest of the world sees in him, and

886
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 3: his form plugged into his orbit and can't escape his shadow,

887
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 3: which is something I think a lot of us can

888
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 3: relate to.

889
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 2: Dude, that's great. It alnds just just taking themes that

890
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 2: I'm sure you know you guys can relate to. I mean,

891
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 2: I'm based on your themes and just putting it into

892
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 2: sort of a different, uh you know scenario. I guess, yeah,

893
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 2: you know.

894
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 3: And it was literally born. This is a true story.

895
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 3: I was writing on a show he was on, UH

896
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 3: nine one Long Star. I wrote on that show for

897
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 3: four years, and I was losing my mind working in

898
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 3: proximity to him, and I would call my my reps

899
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 3: every week and be like, I feel like the you know,

900
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 3: the least cool NEPO kid that's ever existed. This fus Yeah.

901
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 3: They would like laugh and they were like, this is funny.

902
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 3: You should write a show about it. And then I

903
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 3: did it, and then I'll never forget the first week

904
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 3: on set I called them having a mental breakdown, literally,

905
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 3: and I was like, what did I do? This was

906
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 3: the problem? And now I work in even closer proximity

907
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 3: to him every day.

908
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so what's what's the hang up? You know what

909
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 2: I mean? Like when you're on nine to one one

910
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 2: and you're like, this is too fucking torture right now?

911
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 2: Is it just because he's too opinionated, meaning like he

912
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 2: has too much, he inserts himself too much rather than

913
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 2: you do your thing. I'm over here.

914
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 3: It's not it's really the problem, isn't him? Because I

915
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 3: didn't have to spend that much time with him on

916
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 3: that project, to be honest, right, only when I covered

917
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 3: set for my episodes, it was being in his orbit.

918
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 3: And that's why the show is about that. You don't

919
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 3: even need to be next to the person for it

920
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 3: to get under your skin, Like I'm yah got it

921
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:47,879
Speaker 3: for you. You know, the worst moments aren't them, it's

922
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 3: the projection of the person you're trying to get away from.

923
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 3: So it's like, you know, you walking into a room

924
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 3: where you're feeling comfortable. It's a day where you're feeling

925
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 3: good about yourself and some guy walks up to you

926
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 3: and goes like so and so Son, Right, yeah, that's

927
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 3: who you are. I knew I knew you from Somewhere's great,

928
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 3: isn't it great? And you go like, oh, I'm in business.

929
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you don't need to talk to me. Dude,

930
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 2: I'm so calloused from that, Like that's been my you

931
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 2: know life, you're so and so Son, you're Kate Hudson's

932
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 2: brother or this or that. You know, I'm always someone's

933
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 2: I'm so self deprecating, and that's how I deal with,

934
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 2: you know, the potential pain or the barbs. You know,

935
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 2: I'll use self deprecation humor to get me through whatever

936
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 2: insecurities I might be feeling. You know, yeah, way I.

937
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 1: Joined the club.

938
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.

939
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 3: My comedy to that almost entirely, Like that was such

940
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 3: an eschame.

941
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 2: The thing is, too people listening, you know, the opinions

942
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 2: of most is like, oh, what the fuck do you

943
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 2: all you guys have to be complaining about? You know,

944
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 2: you had Rob Lowe as a father, and you had

945
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 2: goldiehun and carussals this, like what is your problem? Like

946
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 2: I get that shit, all the comments and stuff all

947
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 2: the time, and I hate it, and I hate no

948
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 2: comments because I don't give a shit about what people

949
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 2: think for the most part. But this idea that just

950
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 2: because you come from a place of privilege, that you

951
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 2: can't be fucked up or have issues or even issues

952
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 2: within being in that place of privilege, you know, having

953
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 2: to live up to or living in a world where

954
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 2: you are invisible because of where you come from. You know,

955
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:40,479
Speaker 2: it just drives me crazy that people can't understand that

956
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 2: the human experience, you know, and the negative human experience

957
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 2: or the things that we go through as humans can

958
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 2: only exist if you are sort of strung, have a

959
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 2: struggled upbringing, and you know what I mean, Like, yeah,

960
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 2: it drives me a little. I because we have fear

961
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 2: of talking about it sometimes and I've let it go.

962
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 3: That's right, you know. That's it's a scary place to

963
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 3: be in when you're like genuinely feeling down about something

964
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 3: and you know, like, oh, if I bring this up,

965
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 3: it's gonna make the problem that's frustrating me twice as bad.

966
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:27,720
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, that's that's why it's all about working

967
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 3: on in here.

968
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 2: You know, I can't.

969
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,280
Speaker 3: Listen to it's such a cliche, but like, I can't

970
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 3: let what's going on out there affect what's going on

971
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 3: in here. And that's so much easier said than done.

972
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god. That's another one of like the

973
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: great pieces of advice that I don't think is a

974
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: rob ism because it's a general one, but that he

975
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: said to me very early on and stuff with me

976
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,399
Speaker 1: is don't compare your insights to someone else's outsides. And

977
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: that's one where the more that you can keep that

978
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: at heart, the much happier and healthier person you'll be.

979
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 2: It's a great, great little life. I've never heard that.

980
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah, because comparison is it that's a killer.

981
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 2: And by the way, when when when I do actually

982
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 2: feel genuinely happy for someone, I it feels so good

983
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 2: that I will even sometimes get emotional that I feel

984
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 2: genuinely happy for someone. It's like it's so like narcissistic,

985
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 2: but I'm like, oh my god, I feel real elation

986
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 2: for this person. I'm like, oh my god, why do

987
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:28,760
Speaker 2: I feel emotional that I feel happy because I've switched,

988
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 2: Because in that moment, I don't feel that that that pessimism,

989
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 2: that that fucking poison, you know, that is envy, And

990
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:45,280
Speaker 2: I'm actually feeling happy and good for somebody. You know. Yeah,

991
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:50,320
Speaker 2: so did your dad direct you? Yeah? Yeah, so that's

992
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 2: It's like, it's like, because that would drive me.

993
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 3: He'll give me, He'll give me line readings, nodings. Yeah,

994
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 3: he'll do He's oh man, yeah there. You know, it's

995
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 3: baked into the DNA of.

996
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 2: The Show's amazing.

997
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 3: His character Ellis, my character Jackson have the same dynamic

998
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 3: that Robin I have. So you know, we'll be literally

999
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 3: acting a scene where the dialogue is example, you know,

1000
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 3: Ellis is telling Jackson, you know you need to your

1001
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 3: poster is not helping your height. You're already short as

1002
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 3: it is, so if you just get a little straighter

1003
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 3: it would help. And I'm like, I don't need your

1004
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 3: advice twenty four to seven director. Cut. Literally, it's like, cut,

1005
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 3: my dad comes up to me and he's like, why

1006
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 3: are you wearing pastels today? It blows you out, man,

1007
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 3: you have a real tale color and like, I'm not

1008
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 3: gonna be good for you on And I'm like, are

1009
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 3: you fucking with me right now? And sometimes I genuinely

1010
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 3: believe he's meagying me, like he's getting worked up. So

1011
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,879
Speaker 3: then in the next scene, I'm like, and then he's

1012
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 3: go job, but he will. He'll direct me, you'll give

1013
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 3: me line readings. He does it all.

1014
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 2: He's dude, that is funny. Well, it's an amazing the

1015
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 2: relationship that you guys have. I think it's such an

1016
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 2: important one, you know, not just father sons, but just

1017
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 2: parents in general. And I know we didn't talk much

1018
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 2: about your mom, but you know, it goes about saying,

1019
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 2: probably what an incredible human being she is.

1020
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 3: You know, she's the she's the grounding force of the family.

1021
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 2: She's a yeah, oh gosh, yeah, she's she's she's oz

1022
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, She's she's doing all the ship.

1023
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, my dad held no

1024
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 3: power in our house.

1025
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 2: Zoo right, which I love, which is great, you know,

1026
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 2: but I think that that that as a dad, and

1027
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 2: you know, talking to you guys and learning about your

1028
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,879
Speaker 2: relationship with your father and honestly how candid you are

1029
00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 2: and open you are about talking about him, it's really refreshing.

1030
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: You know.

1031
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 2: I'm trying to be the best dad that I can

1032
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 2: to my kids. It's my number one priority. It's my

1033
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 2: true legacy, you know. It's the only thing we're really

1034
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 2: going to leave behind our seeds. If we do have kids.

1035
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 2: Everything else will go away, but that lineage will continue on, hopefully,

1036
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 2: And so that's all I care about is trying to

1037
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 2: make them good people and loving them and hoping they

1038
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 2: love me, you know, because I can get completely insecure

1039
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 2: when I feel like my teenager doesn't love me. Now

1040
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 2: this is my own psychology, you know what I mean,

1041
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 2: because I'm just like, oh, fuck, like, does he not

1042
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 2: love me the way I love him? But it's really

1043
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,879
Speaker 2: cool to watch how you guys, as older men now

1044
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 2: have that special bond with your dad. You know, it's

1045
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:45,479
Speaker 2: pretty pretty great.

1046
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting too, because we're now at the stage

1047
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: where both of us are working with him in very

1048
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: different ways, and we each get to have like this

1049
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 1: adult relationship that we didn't once have and and see

1050
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: him beyond the father and also just the person that

1051
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: he is. So it's been a really interesting, interesting dynamic.

1052
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,320
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Are you guys still super super close? You boys?

1053
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 2: I mean you see each other all the time.

1054
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, we live like fifteen to twenty minutes away from

1055
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 3: each other.

1056
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 2: I see you're both in la yep. Sweet. Okay, one

1057
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 2: more question. It's kind of a two parter and then

1058
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 2: we'll get out of here. So if you could, if

1059
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 2: you could take something from your brother, something that you

1060
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 2: admire about him, something that you don't have that you

1061
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 2: wish you had, what would that be? And the second

1062
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 2: part is if you could alleviate something that you knew

1063
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 2: would make their lives a little bit better. What would

1064
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 2: that be?

1065
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 1: I would go with if I could take something from

1066
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:53,919
Speaker 1: him that to add to me would be that I'm

1067
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 1: the type of person where social like large social settings

1068
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: or big social settings, drains my battery and for him

1069
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: it recharges his. I would like to have more of that.

1070
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: And then if I could alleviate something from you, maybe

1071
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: the you know, the comparing yourself to others within your

1072
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Speaker 1: peer group, because I know that you do that a

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Speaker 1: ton and I do that too, but not the extent

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Speaker 1: that you do.

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Speaker 2: Mhm hmm.

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Speaker 3: That's a good question. What would I steal from Matthew?

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Speaker 2: But part of his soul? Would you just rip out

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Speaker 2: to take for yourself?

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Speaker 3: I think now I admire. I think Matthew doesn't need

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Speaker 3: as much praise for his work as I do. Like

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00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 3: he's comfortable moving in the shadows, and I think that

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00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 3: that's a valuable tool to have. I need a lot

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Speaker 3: of pats on the back, so I think I would

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Speaker 3: steal that from him.

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Speaker 2: It's so funny because pats on the back, I never

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00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 2: feel like it's genuine, because I'm so like I could

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00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 2: be so like self loathing, you know. It's like I

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00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 2: don't even want to hear it, Like I feel like

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00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 2: a great scene or like you were amazing or whatever.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, ah, don't fucking say that.

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Speaker 3: I don't take it well, but I don't. If I

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Speaker 3: don't hear it, I'm like, oh, I I.

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Speaker 2: Suck, dude, totally. I used to do this shit where

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Speaker 2: it's changed since I've been acting for millionaires now and

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00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 2: I've let it all go, honestly, But back when I

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00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 2: was starting out, when I'm saying goodbye to the creators

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Speaker 2: or whatever, you know, just for the days over, did

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00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 2: they say did they say good job? And then I

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00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 2: see him talking another actors like dude, you were incredible

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00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 2: in that scene. I'm like, oh my god, I got

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00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 2: none of that. I got none of that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it means we're the worst people in the

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Speaker 3: place exactly.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, they hate me. They hate I'm like, not.

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Speaker 3: Only did I do bad work? They think I'm a

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00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:01,439
Speaker 3: bad person.

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00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 2: To write an asshole like everyone hates me. I'm sorry.

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00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 2: So yeah, I get that.

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Speaker 3: I would take that from him, And then, uh what

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Speaker 3: when I choose two? Uh what does it take?

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Speaker 2: Like alleviate you know what I mean, like a stressor or.

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Speaker 3: I would say, uh, you know, I think Matthew's a

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00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 3: tendency to be there. There's a you were talking about it,

1114
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Speaker 3: like a lack of self identity that I think is

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Speaker 3: connected to perhaps you know, subconscious confidence. And I would

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Speaker 3: I would fill that tank up for you. I would say, like,

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00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 3: you are doing perfectly perfectly fine. If not, you know,

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00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,919
Speaker 3: whatever word you want to use, great, And I would say,

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00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 3: like kick back a little bit and and patch yourself

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Speaker 3: on the back.

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Speaker 2: There you go, mmmmm, I love it. Well, thank you guys,

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01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 2: this was rad. I mean, I really appreciate it. Thanks

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Speaker 2: for being open, thanks for talking like this. You know.

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Speaker 2: It's good ship. And I'm available to do an arc

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Speaker 2: or a guest spot on the show. Yeah, I have

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01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 2: no I have no job, but you know I'm pretty good,

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 3: And you just have to be comfortable with my dad

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Speaker 3: giving you line readings.

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Speaker 2: That's fine, that's fine. I can play his like brother

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01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 2: or something on the show. He'd be so hard, you know,

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Speaker 2: as brother on the show. And here's the pitch and

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Speaker 2: and you know, I always thought I was the more

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01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 2: handsome one, and so now it's like a handsome off.

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01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, you know, I like that.

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Speaker 3: You know, as a writer, I feel like I'm entitled

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Speaker 3: to say that that will be season three.

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Speaker 2: There you go, Yeah, I think it could be. I

1139
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 2: think it could be good where he doesn't want me

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01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 2: to come because he thinks that I'm more handsome than

1141
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 2: him and he's like, I don't know, he can't make it.

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01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 2: You know, you have to be the.

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01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 3: One that calls Chad to tell him you're playing Rob's

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01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 3: handsome brother.

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01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 2: Chad was great because he was on our podcast and

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Speaker 2: I said, Chad, I mean, you know, were you enerty jealous?

1147
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 2: He goes, fuck yeah, like my brother's this, he's making money,

1148
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 2: he's hot, he's a star. He goes, fuck yeah. It

1149
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 2: was jealous. First one on our show because I asked

1150
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 2: a question to all the siblings who are movie stars

1151
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 2: or whoever. You know, I'm always like, well, were you

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01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 2: envious of his career or her career? And I was

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01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 2: like no, I was very supportive. Chad was the first

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Speaker 2: and only to be like, uh yeah, that's the right there,

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01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 2: of course. And I loved it. I'm like, thank you, dude.

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01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, Chad's the man. Chad's the best he is.

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01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 2: He's awesome. Dude.

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Speaker 1: My partying thing, Oliver is maybe you can be the

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01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 1: one to get Johnny to go fishing with us.

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01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 2: Let's do it, dude. We can just do a bay cruise. Yeah.

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01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 3: I'm a fair weather fisherman. I need like all the amenities.

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01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, it's like a seventy foot viking. So

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01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 2: there's yeah, yeah that's perfect.

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Speaker 3: All right, maybe.

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Speaker 2: All right, cool, Well, thank you guys, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I'll see tomorrow let's talk later.

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Speaker 1: Let's do it all right, Okay, all right, guys.

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Speaker 2: Bye, Wow, that was great. It's funny I get lost

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Speaker 2: in these conversations, you know. I always like to inject

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01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 2: my own shit into it, I think because sometimes I

1172
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 2: get nervous about asking the questions that might make someone uncomfortable,

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01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 2: even though that's kind of what makes a good interview,

1174
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 2: you know, sort of Howard Stern does so well. But

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01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 2: I think that if I can relate on these topics

1176
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:37,959
Speaker 2: sort of maybe opens the door a little bit. Of course,

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Speaker 2: I risk I'm risking a lot, Harry, Guys, I am.

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01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 2: I'm risking a lot going solo because I don't have

1179
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 2: Kate to sort of, you know, put me back on

1180
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 2: the rails. But maybe that's an okay thing. Anyway. I

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Speaker 2: will I'll talk to you guys next time. If you

1182
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 2: like Oliver Hudson aka The Hudson Express, I had to

1183
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 2: subscribe button and you know, just push the likes or

1184
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't even know if that's a thing.

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01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 2: All Right, I'm out.

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Speaker 3: Ah,