1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always 3 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. Quick note before we get 4 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: this train rolling. Uh, we are doing a two part episode. 5 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: You're hearing this on a Thursday. Part two is on 6 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: a Tuesday. So this is our shout out to the weekend, 7 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: not the singer. You know what, No, the singer looking 8 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: him out for the weekend? What do you spell his 9 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: name that way? He leaves out like and E and 10 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: and and and what the week n n D week 11 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 1: e k n d R. He isn't in there side 12 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: too much of our ury for the vowels, you know 13 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: what I mean? They saved the time. Spelly the name 14 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: and pass the savings onto you. Uh. Speaking of saving 15 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: the show, shout out to our super producer, Mr Max Williams. 16 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: They called me Ben No, we're working for the weekend. 17 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: We yeah, it's but it's but it's Tuesday, so we 18 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: got we gotta waits to go. Unfortunately, the weekend is okay. 19 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: By the way, he always he sounds so sad in 20 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: his songs, and yet he's he's he's a chieved such 21 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: success a meteoric rise. I hope he can just take 22 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: a step back and enjoy what he's created for himself 23 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: and and and you know, cheer up a little bit. 24 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: I'm waiting for his next album. We're talking about this 25 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: last time I was hanging out with him. It's called 26 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: t G I F Thank God it's Friday by the Week. All. 27 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: It's all re workings of of of of nine these 28 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: sitcom themes, the ones that described five. Yeah, I talked 29 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: about this previously on sitcoms. I love this, Oh no way. 30 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: I don't know if it was this show. But we're 31 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: not talking about sitcoms today, though I would watch a 32 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: sitcom about our protagonists. There is something you may have 33 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: heard of once upon a time. Some call it vibes 34 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: great films. Some call it a connection great film, Yes, agreed, 35 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: and one guy called it We're going today is part 36 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: one of our story. Odd the one and only villain 37 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: Reich Bill Halm Reich and the sexual revolution baby that 38 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: many thinkers, um philosophers, thought leaders credit this man with 39 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: starting UH in no small part. And I did not 40 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: quite realize that he was such an acolyte of Freud, 41 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: who also gets a lot of credit for are you know, 42 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: um starting the idea of thinking about where our sexual 43 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: urges lead us in terms of our mental progression or 44 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 1: lack there of stuntedness. I suppose arrested development all of that. 45 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: But yeah, folks from you know as far Afield in 46 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 1: terms of their work as James Baldwin two Susan Sun 47 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: talk to Kate Bush, one of my favorite artists of 48 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: all time. Um have read and written and kind of 49 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: digested Wilhelm Reich's work and kind of made it their own. 50 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: We're gonna get to all of these luminaries and how 51 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: Right kind of affected their work, you know, as we 52 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: go through this to part Also huge shout out to 53 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: research Associate extraordinariy Zach Williams. He really, um, you know, 54 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: went above and beyond for this one. This is a 55 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: subject that we've covered briefly in our early episode about 56 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: a scam, a rain making scam. We talk about right 57 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: just in terms of his contribution to the idea of 58 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: cloud seating cloud busting, uh in fact, and we also 59 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: talked about that extensive, extensively stuff they don't want you 60 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: to know back before, back before it was YouTube, when 61 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: it was just Apple video or whatever. They called it 62 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: back then. Also in our audio episodes for the show. 63 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: We started doing podcasts there. But you're right, we have 64 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: a we have a closeness with this man. Dare I 65 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: say a vibe um? And it is true. We have 66 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: to remember in his time he was born just on 67 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: the cusp of the twentie century, right, he's born in 68 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: March of We have to remember that during this time, uh, 69 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: and during the time it was active, there were many 70 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: uh let's call them pioneers of thought, right for good 71 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: or for ill? Would you agree with that? Absolutely? Yeah. 72 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: And again, like we mentioned Freud, we are going to 73 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: hear Einstein wang And at some point this is important 74 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: era in thought leadership beyond science. It really is the 75 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: birth of kind of ecology which many would have you know, 76 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: kind of maligned as being a pseudoscience at the time. 77 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: It was not always thought of kindly by the scientific community. 78 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: But we're gonna we're gonna explain, you know how, right 79 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: kind of he pushed the boundaries of that to a degree. 80 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: But you're right, then he was born March seven in 81 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: dobro Zenia, which was a part of Galicia, which sounds 82 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: like a made up place like from or something, but 83 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 1: it's sounds like, yeah, that's right. You may not have 84 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 1: heard of it though, because at the time that belonged 85 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: to the Austrian Empire. I don't know that it exists anymore. 86 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 1: But after his birth, his family, which was quite well 87 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: to do, they moved to what you could maybe compare 88 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: in an American equivalency to a ranch uh and this 89 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: was in the Ukrainian part of Austria. Uh and that 90 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: is where um Reich's father started to He became a 91 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 1: cattle rancher for specifically the government, the German government. And 92 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: this was a pretty relatively high post, even though the 93 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 1: idea of being a cattle rancher, you know, we know 94 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: that Hannibal Lector would have looked down his nose at that, 95 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: but it was kind of a big deal. This put 96 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: him in an upper echelon of German society. I think 97 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: he looked down on on Shepherd's right, it's the silence. 98 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: Was the labs not they were? They were We'll have 99 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: to ask him. We'll have to have Hannibal Lector on 100 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: the show. Anthony Hopkins, you were disinvited to Ridiculous History. 101 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: You can only show up as your character Hannibal lector. 102 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: And we also want to shout out, by the way, 103 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 1: David Elkins from the New York Times, who wrote an 104 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: excellent article back in ninety one, called Philim Reich the Psychoanalyst, 105 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: as revolutionary. This goes into his early life in depth, 106 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: and it's very well worth the read. Now, yes, you're right. 107 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: The family was well to do, relatively speaking, and they 108 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: had Jewish heritage, but if you asked them out there 109 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 1: on the official German government cattle ranch, they would identify 110 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: more with German culture. Wilhelm and his brother were not 111 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: allowed to play with the poor kids in the neighborhood. 112 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: They also, looking back, the brothers did not appear very 113 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: close to each other. They were sort of alone in 114 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: the crowd of their family. And since we're being a 115 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: little Freudian folks, and since we're talking a little bit 116 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: about psychoanalysis, we have to say that this is not 117 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: us saying that. Some people would say that Reich's familial 118 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: dynamic had an effect on him later in life. His 119 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: dad was sort of domineering and a bit of a tyrant, 120 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: and his mom was sort of cowed by him. And 121 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: when Reich was young, when it was an adolescent, his 122 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: mom had an affair with one of the tutors living 123 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: with the family, and it was pretty common for well 124 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: to do families back then to have tutors, right to 125 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: have kind of these all pairs or the instructors rather 126 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: than Cindy door kids to school. And there's an interesting 127 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: line in the New York Times article. It's interesting. That's 128 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: why I shout out Elkins here, the author of that article, 129 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: because he says, this is a quote. He says it 130 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: is likely that Right bores some responsibility for his father's 131 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 1: discovery of the affair and for his mother's subsequent suicide. 132 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: And Wright goes on to be married several times throughout 133 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: the course of his life, and one of his spouses 134 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: his third spouse, I'll say Ollendorff Reich will later write 135 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: that she believes Reich may have felt some responsibility for 136 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 1: his mother's death, and this may have been one of 137 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: the things that stopped him from completing what she called 138 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: his own analysis, like there were things he could never 139 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: fully process after that moment. Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, 140 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,959 Speaker 1: it's it's a lot to contend with, and it's the 141 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: kind of these kind of things that carry follow us 142 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: from childhood into adulthood that we sometimes can never fully 143 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: deal with or process unless we meet them head on, 144 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,599 Speaker 1: and sometimes it's very difficult to do. Uh. That is 145 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: where therapy is a very important thing. But it wasn't 146 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: necessarily something that he, as the analyst or as the 147 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: therapist maybe was willing to look inwardly upon. Um. But 148 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: you know, we'll get to more of that in a 149 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: bid as well. UM. So he actually joined the military 150 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 1: UM during World War One. He was an Austrian Army 151 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: Officer UM and he served in Italy and again Elkin 152 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: writes for The New York Times that he he liked it. 153 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: He seemed that the military life seems to suit him. 154 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: He was a man of many, Um, let's just say exuberances. 155 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: You know. He he had a lot of gusto and 156 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: get up and go. He was able to kind of 157 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: give that a home, you know with some of this, uh, 158 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: this kind of military life is regimented military life. Um. 159 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: He was very intuitive. Any skill that he sought he 160 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 1: could he could pick up pretty easily. I think we 161 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: all know people like that where it's like borderline obnoxious, 162 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: but like he could ride a horse. Uh, He's like, 163 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: you know, he picked it up instantly. Um, and you 164 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: think it's obnoxious when people are talented obnoxious. It's just 165 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: like when people when there's some people that are just 166 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: good at everything without very much effort. I say this, 167 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: you know, half jokingly, but yeah, I mean it's like, 168 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: must be nice, you know, to just be able to 169 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: be like naturally gifted at all the things. They leave 170 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: some for the rest of us. No, you're not gonna stay, 171 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:53,839 Speaker 1: so I say, yeah, it's so annoying, like you have 172 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 1: that thing that you've been working on for a long time. 173 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: Then look a lot of years like, oh that's interestingly, 174 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: like three weeks later they're better out than you. And 175 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: it's like I've been working on this for four years 176 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,599 Speaker 1: and you're already better than me. Maybe I need to 177 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: work on this with a therapist. Also, yeah, I think 178 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: we're probably gonna all find some things that are gonna 179 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: bubble up about ourselves in this one. But yes, skiing, 180 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: you know, horseback riding, piano, you know. Art um. He 181 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: was also obviously very very gifted in academics. So as 182 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: the person in ridiculous history who is not angry at 183 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 1: other people doing well, let me shout out Wilhelm. He 184 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: did some awesome stuff. He didn't find his true north 185 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 1: right away. And this is something we see with many 186 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: uh many people who are kind of like you guys said, 187 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: kind of always talented. It's stuff, right. Their question becomes, 188 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: am I a jack of all trades master of none? 189 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: What is my true calling? First? Reich tries law. He 190 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: tries the legal world, and he finds that it is boring, 191 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: so he switches to the medical world. And this is 192 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: you'll love this, Max. This is the moment where he 193 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: takes a six year program in med school and finishes 194 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: it in four years, and he uh he supports himself 195 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: during the last few years by tutoring his fellow students. 196 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: This is also where he meets his first spouse, Annie Pink. 197 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: They marry in nineteen one. Yes, that's pink like the color, 198 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,439 Speaker 1: and Pink would go on to become an a well 199 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: known analyst in her own life. But we need to 200 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: backtrack a little before he meets Annie. Picture the meat 201 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: cute rom com moment they have and then just rewind 202 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: in the ridiculous history cinema of the mind to a 203 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: pivotal moment that occurs just a few years earlier. He's 204 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: still a student it's nineteen nineteen. But no, this is 205 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: the crossroads moment hashtag bone, Thugs and harmony where Right 206 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: attends a lecture that will change his life. He sits 207 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: in on a little ted talk of the time about 208 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: psycho analysis, and he is into it. He is ted 209 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: toes down on this. He is so intrigued that he 210 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: immediately decides he is going to be a psychiatrist. Yeah. 211 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: I mean, because again, this is kind of like the 212 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: early days of this, uh, this discipline. And I've always 213 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: kind of found psychiatry to be sort of an interesting 214 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: combination of like medicine and philosophy. You know, it's like 215 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: mind science of the mind or whatever like it is. 216 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: It does it It kind of combines a lot of disciplines. 217 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: And then him being this guy that was sort of 218 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: all over the place and the stuff that he was 219 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 1: interested in, you know, from art to philosophy to various 220 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: academic studies. This made sense that it would kind of 221 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: be this sort of fusion of a lot of things 222 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: into one relatively new field. Not to mention that he 223 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: was kind of a cutting edge guy, and it was like, Okay, 224 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: I want to get on the ground floor of this. 225 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense. Um, So you're right. Um, 226 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: it was something that really grabbed him right away. I 227 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: was asking very profound questions that he himself had been asking. Uh. 228 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: He found the study to be challenging and less kind 229 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: of you know, paint by numbers than something like medicine 230 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: or the law. Um, this was a very good fit 231 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: for him, so he decided to pursue that with Gusto. Uh. 232 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: And because of that kind of you know, enthusiasm that 233 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: he put forth, it was noticed and he was very 234 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: quickly admitted to the Vienna psycho Analytic Society and started 235 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: seeing patients pretty quickly. And this will certainly be frowned 236 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: on today. But before he completed his medical training, Yeah, 237 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: let's talk a little more about Freud, because Freud influences 238 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: Reich well before he um gets associated with a psychoanalytics society, 239 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: Freud thought the world of Reich. He looked at him 240 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: and said, this guy has potential, at least in the beginning, 241 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: will get their folks in the nineteen twenties, and this 242 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: comes from the Guardian, wonderful article by our pal Olivia Lang. 243 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: We haven't met Olivia, but we love the way she writes. 244 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: Right kind of does something heretical, right to the Viennese 245 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: school of thoughts. At the time, he's listening to his 246 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: patients speak and he keeps looking at their body language. Basically, 247 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: they're laying on the couch or the chaise lounge, and 248 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: they are rigid, they're guarded, and he thinks, maybe there's 249 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: something else they're trying to commune. K. Perhaps it is 250 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: not something one can articulate in words. Maybe he thinks 251 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: Freud isn't going far enough. Maybe the past is not 252 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: just hiding in your memories, your verbal like the memories 253 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: you can vocalize, but maybe it's also hidden physically. Maybe 254 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: your your your distress, your past experiences are somehow stowed 255 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: away in your body, almost like a battery, you know, 256 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: can store electricity. Uh. He he felt that this these 257 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: emotions um manifested themselves as energy, as some sort of 258 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: almost electrical current. I'm sort of editorializing here, but definitely 259 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: a form of energy that could be in some ways 260 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: store in the body and possibly harnessed or re you know, 261 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: um directed, diverted UM. And this was sort of like this, 262 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: this aha moment really was kind of the the genesis 263 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 1: of his later Some would say more out there, you 264 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 1: know studies. Yeah. Yeah, it's strange because he senses a 265 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: tension in people, and he says, maybe this is a 266 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: defensive move. Maybe this is some sort of instinct towards 267 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 1: self preservation. Maybe someone is trying to restrain their anxiety, 268 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 1: their rage, their anger, their sorrow, their sexual excitement. Uh. 269 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: And he thinks, if you're in a place where these 270 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: emotions are repressed, or where they are traumatic or very upsetting, 271 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: then the only alternative in his mind is that the 272 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 1: patient must tense up and try to bottle it down 273 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: right deep inside. Why are you so tense? Why are 274 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 1: you so rigid? That's just how I stand man. Uh. 275 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: He believes that this shows evidence in the physicality of 276 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: the patient, so he starts working with the patient's bodies. 277 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: Now at this point, he's verging into territory, which is 278 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: completely forbidden in psychoanalysis. He starts talking with patients about 279 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: their bodies, their body language, and then he starts physically 280 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: touching them. And surprise, surprise, at least in Reich's opinion, 281 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: when he is physically touching folks, he starts putting his 282 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: hands on what he sees as the physical expression of 283 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: these emotions, right, expressions of fright, clinched fist, you know, 284 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: tensed shoulders, that sort of stuff. And he believes that 285 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 1: by touching them, he can bring these feelings to the 286 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: surface it's the physical and emotional surface and release them. 287 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: And it's a lot like um memory regression almost. You know. 288 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: He feels that patients are experiencing memories they had kind 289 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: of forgotten and they would release them upon this physical stimulation. 290 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: This is true. And when they released those feelings, when 291 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: they process that stuff and let it out, they would 292 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: have something that that right called streaming, which is not 293 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: a subscription service online. It's a pleasurable rippling feeling. Yeah. 294 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of parallel thought here, um 295 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: that I think we we both see the idea of tension, 296 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: you know, carrying stress in the body. Um. You know, 297 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: that aligns with a lot of like kind of holistic 298 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: met medicine and massage therapy and things like raiky and 299 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: energy work and you know other things things that maybe 300 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: you're not fully embraced all the time by the scientific community, 301 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 1: even parts of scientology. The idea of storing these like 302 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 1: theatan's or whatever, these like weird dead ghosts, uh, sorry 303 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: spoiler alert for anyone that hasn't made it down the 304 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: bridge yet. Um, but that stuff been online for years, 305 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,239 Speaker 1: um down the bridge of the bridge. But yeah, there 306 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 1: is some parallel you know kind of stuff going on here. Um, 307 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: the idea that these energies stored in your body or 308 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 1: in your muscles or you know, are in some way 309 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: a sign of repression of holding onto things, and that 310 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: they can you know, get worse, um even just like 311 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: you know tensions and your muscles that can be relieved 312 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: by you know, pressure points and things like that. I mean, 313 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 1: it's all kind of a similar ball of wax here. 314 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting. Freud, on the other hand, 315 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: he was not about the touchy touchy um. He was 316 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: much more into you know, the pure psychoanalysis and and 317 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: he believed that it all needed to be you know, 318 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 1: on a purely um talking kind of talk therapy, the 319 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: talking cure kind of modality. I guess he wrote that 320 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: he was a little bit on the fence about you know, 321 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: what Reich was doing. So Freud was he wasn't really 322 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: against Reich's methods, but he he wasn't necessarily coming out 323 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: in full support of them either. He clearly gave, you know, 324 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 1: some sort of test that like, okay, you should try 325 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: to explore this more. Uh, for the more kind of 326 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: base level methods that Reich was exploring. With some of 327 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: the more extreme methods he actually, you know fully kind 328 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: of withheld his his support for. And then, by the way, 329 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: we've got another great article to site here, the scientific 330 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: Assassination of a sexual Revolutionary, How America interrupted Wilhelm Reich's 331 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: Orgasmic Utopia by Jason Louve from Motherboard. M Yeah, out 332 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: of vice. Yeah, this is the thing right now, at 333 00:21:55,520 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: this period of time, in the nineteen winnings or so, 334 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: Freud is a big deal. And if Freud likes you, 335 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: that's great for your career. If Freud says you're middling, 336 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: that's middling for your career. And god forbid, Sigmund have 337 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: a problem with your work or you know what you 338 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: see as your work. He didn't really take this streaming. 339 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 1: So the psycho analytic community at this time, which we 340 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 1: have to remember, is pretty young. Uh, they say accidental 341 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: pun they're not j U n G there, y o 342 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: U n G. Thank you, Max, I appreciate your support. 343 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: So he So the thing is because Freud is objecting 344 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: to some of Reich's thoughts. Here the overall community, which 345 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: of which Freud is an integral part, the other psychoanalysts, 346 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: they start saying, okay, well, let's dismiss right here. He's 347 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: not on the same page, the same therapist couch as us. 348 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: Things start to get worse and worse for Wilhelm. It's 349 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: he's trying to deal with a backlash of his community saying, hey, 350 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: you're a bit heretical, you're a bit crazy. And he 351 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: asked Sigmund Freud to psychoanalyze him. It's like, Sigmund, big bro, 352 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: maybe you can help me, Maybe you can help me 353 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: figure out where I have misstepped. And this guy, who 354 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: very much is like a father figure to Villam he says, 355 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: uh no, can't do it. We don't know whether it's 356 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 1: scheduling or a flat out refusal, but this really cut 357 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: right to the war. And then right after that, his 358 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: brother dies of tuberculosis. Right gets tuberculosis. He has to 359 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: go to a sanitarium in Davos, Switzerland. This just like, 360 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: it feels like this is a um a cavalcade of catastrophes. 361 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: We promised he gets a little better, but right now 362 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: he's in a sanitarium, he gets radicalized. I found this 363 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 1: interesting knoll. He joins the Communist Party, and then he 364 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: becomes an activist. That's right. And he you know, he 365 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: was never really that guy per se. He was more 366 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: into his studies than he was into politics. You know, 367 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 1: he never really seemed to take a particular stance politically 368 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: up until this point. But after witnessing some horrific violence 369 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 1: at the hands of police during the July Revolt of 370 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: nineteen seven in Vienna, where he saw police kill, shoot 371 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: and kill eighty four workers and injure and another sick hundred, 372 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: he decided that there was something very, very very off 373 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: about this or this organization of of you know, power 374 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: dynamic in the world, and he decided that he needed 375 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: to speak out against it. He believed that the police 376 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: were inherently a an occupying force, you know, very similar 377 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: to a lot of the you know, defund the police 378 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: kind of movement that we see today, you know, around 379 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: a lot of police brutality. So he was very much 380 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 1: ahead of ahead of the curve there, as he was 381 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 1: with a lot of things. He Vice. This Vice article 382 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: described him as thinking that the police weren't only brutal, 383 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: he observed. But they were robotic as if in a trance. Uh, 384 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: and also armored. So nothing worse than robots in a 385 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: trance that have guns. Well, think about it, because it 386 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: goes back to his original finding, right where he strayed 387 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: from the path of established psychoanalysis. They're moving like robots. 388 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: Their physicality is affected, perhaps by some emotional trauma or repression. 389 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: That's where Reich's thoughts are headed. And he is he 390 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 1: is now pulling demonstrations in the streets. He is thinking 391 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: about all of these factors and he's doing a Charlie Day, 392 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 1: always sunny in Philadelphia conspiracy board. You know, so picture 393 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: picture young Billy. I'll call him and he's he's saying, 394 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: you know what, economic repression, sexual repression. It's all related, man, 395 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: It's all connected. This goes all the way to the 396 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: top and the bottom. And I, he says, I am 397 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: opening a series of clinics throughout Vienna, and I you know, 398 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: I recently went to Austria for a thing. And it's nuts. 399 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: How um, it's nuts how Freud is treated or regarded 400 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: versus Philam Reich. And we're about to why his clinics 401 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: that open up scandalizing established psycho analysis. They say, look, 402 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: we'll give you the psychoanalysis you've come to love and expect. 403 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: We will also give you some sex head and we 404 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: will also supply contraceptives to young and working class people. Interesting. 405 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: I didn't know this at the time. Back then, the 406 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 1: folks who consider themselves more liberal would say, yes, you 407 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: can have contraception, but only if you're already married, if 408 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 1: you're in wedlock, that's kind of nuts, right, No, it's 409 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: interesting that you mentioned to Ben that like this, he 410 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: was getting pushed back from the psycho and now an 411 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 1: analytical community, which was already kind of a controversial field. 412 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 1: So he was sort of like the next level in 413 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: in controversy surrounding this field, and he was sort of 414 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: pushing the envelope even farther than than those folks. The 415 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 1: more you know established psychoanalysts for wood and obviously it 416 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: was very popular and it was very like in vogue 417 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 1: of the time, but it was also, uh, you know, 418 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 1: seen by some as dangerous. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, they're playing 419 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 1: with live fire, and this community is exploring things that 420 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: were considered maybe off limits or forbidden in polite conversation. 421 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 1: And Reich moves from Austria to Germany. He moves to 422 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: Berlin in n and uh, fellow history enthusiasts, you know 423 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: that there was something evil brewing in Berlin at this time. 424 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: It's the rise of the Nazi Party and rich um 425 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: Reich is continuing to write and explore his theories and 426 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: he showed them to his colleagues in the Communist Party 427 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 1: and various Communist organizations, but they're not super into it. 428 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: And he keeps making um, I don't want to say, 429 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: making enemies, but he keeps sort of burning professional bridges 430 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: because he's just too controversial. He has this contract with 431 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: a publishing outfit, the International Psychoanalytic Publishers. They cancel the 432 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: deal because he goes a little further with sex head 433 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: than they are used to or comfortable with. He says, look, 434 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: we're not going to do abstinence only education for teens 435 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: for teenagers. Instead, we're gonna talk to them bluntly about 436 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: sex and sexual interactions and contraceptives. Yeah, it reminds me 437 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: of Kinsey. I think this is roughly around the same time. 438 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: He might have even been a little later, but um, 439 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: you know the American um, you know, sex psychologist. I 440 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: guess he proposed was a lot of these same things, 441 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: but I think a little bit later and even then 442 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: he was persona on grata and a lot of circles. 443 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: So this was absolutely above and beyond what society was 444 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: willing to uh to to bear. And of course it's 445 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: easy to spend some of this stuff out of context. 446 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: The idea that he was advocating for, you know, young 447 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 1: people having sex, it wasn't exactly what he was doing. 448 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: He was advocating for young people to understand their bodies 449 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: and to you know, have access to things that would 450 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: allow them to have sex if they so choose, without consequences, 451 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: without getting getting pregnant or I don't know that even 452 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: std s were part of it as much at this 453 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: time or the conversation, but it was more about just 454 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: you know, having access to information than it was about 455 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: encouraging some sort of like sexual free for all. Yeah, 456 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: and he points out that there's a bit of hypocrisy, 457 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: or at the very least there's a bit of u 458 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: contradictory messaging that young people are receiving at this time 459 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: in Europe. In N two, he makes this pamphlet called 460 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: the Sexual Struggle of Youth, and it's his sort of 461 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: condemnation of current society and the ways in which it 462 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 1: makes it difficult for adolescence to navigate these huge changes 463 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: in their lives. And I think that's a valid point. 464 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: He's saying, Hey, these kids need help, right, And we 465 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: have a quote from him. I'm not going to do 466 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: a voice for it, but just you get a sense 467 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: of the flavor of this. He says, young people are 468 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: contaminated on the one hand by moralizers and advocates of abstinence, 469 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: and on the other hand by pornographic literature. Both influences 470 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: are extremely dangerous, the former no less than the latter. 471 00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: And at this point he's twenty seven. Yeah, my mind 472 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: blowing to me whenever I read that. Just Wow, those 473 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: guys really ahead of the curve. Um. But that that 474 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: that one part of the quote that you'd read Ben, 475 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: the idea of pornographic literature, that's really important because you know, 476 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: as pro sex and sex positive as Reich was, he 477 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: was vehemently anti pornography. He thought that was like a 478 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: toxic influence um and and not something that was beneficial 479 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: in any way, shape or form. That it was a 480 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: repressive force rather than a liberating force. And he was 481 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: also against the concept of bonogamy. He he argued against yeah, 482 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: he said, uh. He said, you should have lasting, loving 483 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: relationships that are held together by affection rather than legal 484 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: can straints. And he said, you know, if you tried 485 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: to do anything else, you're going to get tired of 486 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: each other. Basically the phrase he uses is secual dulling. Yes, 487 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: I feel like I have to say seck sex. Yeah, 488 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: I know, you absolutely do and did beautifully. Um. He 489 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: also was very uh, it was very It was a feminist. 490 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: I mean, he he felt that women were kept down 491 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: by economic dependence, you know, on men, and that it 492 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: caused them to be kind of essentially like you know, 493 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: in a in a carrying forward of the old ways, 494 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 1: put into these kind of forced marriages or arranged marriages, 495 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: even if they weren't politically arranged, they oftentimes were. I mean, 496 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: if if wealthy families would would very oftentimes kind of 497 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: force you know, their families to be united and there 498 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: wasn't much choice. It wasn't the same as like you know, 499 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: in the House of the Dragon or whatever, but it 500 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: definitely had a an air of that kind of like 501 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: you know, I will wed my first born first of 502 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: his name to Marjorie of House you know whatever you 503 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: know down the street, and you know it. Moneyed people 504 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 1: wanted to marry their kids off too moneyed people so 505 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: that they could carry on the legacy of money. Um 506 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,840 Speaker 1: and and the idea of a bloodline or whatever that 507 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 1: is not something that has even gone to this day. Yeah, yeah, 508 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,280 Speaker 1: and he is uh, he is one of those guys 509 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: who is proposing the idea that it takes a village, right, Like, 510 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,359 Speaker 1: if you have more parent figures, if you have more 511 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: caretaker figures in a child's life, maybe you can help 512 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 1: save them from some of the crazy stuff. You know. 513 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 1: It reminds me of this wonderful Philip Larkin poem. It's 514 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: a wonderful poem with a terrible name. It's called this 515 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,360 Speaker 1: be the Verse. Because we are family show, We're gonna 516 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: have some beeps here. Courtesy of Mr Max Williams. Here's 517 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 1: the poem, and this is something rich would agree with. 518 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 1: Theyque up your mom and dad. They may not mean to, 519 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: but they do. They fill you with the faults they 520 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 1: had and add some extra just for you. But they 521 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,240 Speaker 1: were faked up in their turn by fools and old 522 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 1: style hats and coats who half the time where soppy, 523 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: stern and half at one another's throat. Man hands on 524 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: misery to man, it deepens like a coastal shelf. Get 525 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: out as early as you can, and don't have any 526 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 1: kids yourself. Philip Larket, I feel like I feel like 527 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: Rich would agree with him, because he's worried, like you're saying, all, 528 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: he's worried about this intergenerational trauma, right, that's what we 529 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: would call it today. Yeah, exactly. And then and we've 530 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 1: talked about the idea of intergenerational trauma or even what 531 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 1: is it epigenetics, the idea of trauma that can be 532 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 1: carried you know, in the genes generationally, um, not just 533 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: things that you witnessed while you're alive. Um, it actually 534 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: can have you know. Again, this is also a kind 535 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: of of a of a modern day burgeoning, sort of 536 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: of just the plan. But it's the idea that you know, 537 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 1: the formation of our very the very core of who 538 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: we are, you know, in terms of like you know, 539 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 1: chemically speaking, can be impacted by trauma of of of 540 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: our forbears, you know. So yeah, again I keep saying this, 541 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: but it's true. I mean, Reich really was very much 542 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 1: had his figure on the pulse of a lot of 543 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 1: really fascinating concepts that would later be given a lot 544 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: more you know, kind of credence, and then taking a 545 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:31,720 Speaker 1: little more seriously mm hmmm. And he does have another 546 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,479 Speaker 1: run in with his former mentors Sigmund Freud in nine 547 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: he meets uh, he meets Sigmund again, and he says, 548 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,320 Speaker 1: old Doc Freud is kind of looking like a caged 549 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:51,919 Speaker 1: animal to me, and he felt that he had sold out. Right, 550 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 1: He's looking at his old authority figure, not with the 551 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: eyes of a young, up and coming psychoanaly us, but 552 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:05,359 Speaker 1: now with the eyes of a revolutionary. Right. Uh, some 553 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:10,719 Speaker 1: would say a sexuan revolutionary. That's the last time I'm 554 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 1: gonna say every time. That is the only way to 555 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 1: pronounce it at this point. Um, I fully support you. 556 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean he'd like, like we said at 557 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 1: the top of the show, I mean, he more or 558 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: less did kind of come up with this concept, the 559 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 1: idea of the sexual revolution. He actually did coin that phrase, um, 560 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 1: very very early on, to kind of be this catch 561 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 1: all for all of those forms of repression, societal repression 562 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,720 Speaker 1: that that that targeted sexuality and the idea of sexual 563 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 1: identity and the revolution would be a way of of 564 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 1: not necessarily it's not like some orgiastic, you know thing exactly. 565 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 1: It's not like free love or whatever like it would 566 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 1: maybe be more associated with in the in the sixties, 567 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,839 Speaker 1: But it was about freeing yourself from those kind of 568 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,319 Speaker 1: tackles because he really felt that a lot of these 569 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: sexual as did Freud. I mean, we know that Freud's 570 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 1: whole deal was, you know, right, right, was the idea 571 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 1: of of of of being repressed by by these sexual 572 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,880 Speaker 1: desires and it causing problems and you know, falling in 573 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 1: love with your mother and all of this stuff. Um. 574 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: But Rick took it a step further, and I would 575 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,759 Speaker 1: argue he kind of got it a little bit more. 576 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 1: I think, so, yeah, I I agree with you. I 577 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 1: think so an old because Rych said something that a 578 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 1: lot of people weren't willing to admit. But it's something that, 579 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: at least from my perspective, is absolutely true. He said, hey, 580 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,400 Speaker 1: sexiest part of life, and it's kind of dumb to 581 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 1: ignore that. And I believe, says villehelm Reich, that having 582 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:56,399 Speaker 1: a good orgasm can make you feel better. He goes 583 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,760 Speaker 1: a little bit further then I just did with that statement. 584 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: He says it can make the difference between sickness and health, 585 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 1: and he starts saying it is a panacea for not 586 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 1: just any psychological issues people are having, but physical issues 587 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 1: as well, and he basically thinks if more people are 588 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: having more pleasurable physical experiences, then it will help fight fascism. 589 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 1: So again, like you were just saying no, when he 590 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: says sexual revolutionary or sexual revolution, he is talking about 591 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:40,720 Speaker 1: revolution in geopolitical terms that like that's it's you free 592 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 1: the body and then you know, you free the body politic. Basically, hey, 593 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 1: that's good, that's very true. And the stakes couldn't have 594 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,880 Speaker 1: been higher, right, you know, in Germany at this time, 595 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,719 Speaker 1: I mean, the youth were being completely indoctrinated into this 596 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 1: Nazi um you know ideology, which was one based on 597 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 1: repression and hate. Even though it sort of preached the 598 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:09,360 Speaker 1: idea of like, oh, liberation through a purity of blood 599 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,239 Speaker 1: and like let's let get rid of anyone that opposes us, 600 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:13,919 Speaker 1: and like, you know, this idea of like we are 601 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,360 Speaker 1: so powerful as as these Aryan brothers and all of 602 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,959 Speaker 1: this stuff, but it really was just an aggressive form 603 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:26,719 Speaker 1: of of repression and indoctrination. That's Right, tensions are building 604 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 1: in Right comes out with paper called The Function of 605 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:37,560 Speaker 1: the Orgasm, and he says that a lack of full 606 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 1: and repeated sexual satisfaction leads to neurosis. And he's trying 607 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 1: to reconcile the school of thought that we would call 608 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,759 Speaker 1: psychoanalysis and the school of thought that we would call Marxism. 609 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:56,719 Speaker 1: And he says that this repression is a curable condition. 610 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 1: You can get rid of a lot of problems that 611 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,279 Speaker 1: you would not think are sexual nature. You can get 612 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:10,600 Speaker 1: rid of them through better sexual activity. People don't like this, 613 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,279 Speaker 1: they call it. You can see how this red meat 614 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,200 Speaker 1: for the press. Right. They they call it a genital utopia. 615 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: And this is back when people were using the word 616 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 1: utopia correctly and unattainable, inherently unattainable paradise. They also call 617 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 1: him the profit of bigger, betteral orgasms. Uh. He gets 618 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,799 Speaker 1: kicked out of the Communist Party, He gets kicked out 619 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,879 Speaker 1: a psychoanalysis. He still is an important figurehead in both 620 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:44,120 Speaker 1: Berlin and Vienna, which means the Nazi party on the 621 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:49,839 Speaker 1: rise will have their eye on him. And given that 622 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:54,759 Speaker 1: Right has Jewish heritage, and given that the Nazis are monsters, 623 00:41:56,080 --> 00:42:01,279 Speaker 1: They see him as a figurehead of a con spiracy 624 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,920 Speaker 1: cabal that for some reason wants to up end or 625 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:12,839 Speaker 1: undermine European society. His books start getting burned, along with 626 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 1: the works of his one time mentor Sigmund Freud. Things 627 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,279 Speaker 1: are about to get harry, folks. This is where we 628 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:25,200 Speaker 1: end part one of this series, and uh, you know, no, 629 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,399 Speaker 1: I think we tease a little bit about part two, 630 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 1: like we're we're stopping in media arrests here in the 631 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,719 Speaker 1: middle of the story. We're definitely it had a bit 632 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,719 Speaker 1: of a cliffhanger where things get real in terms of 633 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,719 Speaker 1: the Nazis, you know, coming for a Reich. This is 634 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,960 Speaker 1: really only the beginning. We're going to see Reich develop 635 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,359 Speaker 1: his philosophies and his sort of more out there, uh 636 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:52,160 Speaker 1: psychoanalytical you know, modalities into a full blown I don't 637 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:56,080 Speaker 1: know how you describe it, Ben School society. It really 638 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 1: is something along the lines of the movements, Yeah, but 639 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,320 Speaker 1: it really is something along the lines of what you know, UM, 640 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,280 Speaker 1: a much hackier figure in UM in al Ron Hubbard 641 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 1: did with scientology. But we're gonna see the full formation 642 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,719 Speaker 1: of this um, all the culmination of all of these 643 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:18,000 Speaker 1: ideas coming together with the idea of orgone energy, which 644 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:19,799 Speaker 1: we already kind of teat up a little bit at 645 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,120 Speaker 1: the very beginning of the show, and you may see 646 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 1: a connection there with the word or gone and the 647 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,200 Speaker 1: idea of the function of the orgasm uh, and this 648 00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,800 Speaker 1: notion that that Reich was really focused on this energy 649 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,440 Speaker 1: that was contained within the body and where does it go? 650 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,000 Speaker 1: What can you do with it? Those are questions we're 651 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,640 Speaker 1: gonna answer, at least in terms of you know, Reich's 652 00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,200 Speaker 1: uh and many other great thinkers opinions on on those 653 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:49,640 Speaker 1: um in the next episode. Yeah. Well, also, just for fundsies, 654 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:56,960 Speaker 1: get into the etymology of the word orgasm. Pretty fascinating stuff, folks. 655 00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,480 Speaker 1: We can't wait for you to be a part of 656 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,080 Speaker 1: the show. Thanks as always to our super producer, Mr 657 00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:07,880 Speaker 1: Max Williams. Thanks to our composer Alex Williams. Thanks to 658 00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:12,120 Speaker 1: Dylan Fagan, who inspired Max to make such a cool 659 00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:16,279 Speaker 1: sound cue. Honestly, dude that I really enjoyed that one. 660 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 1: It's good to do. Yeah, Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, Yeah, it's Dylan. 661 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:31,160 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you guess so who's here? Oh he's my friend, 662 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:42,880 Speaker 1: good god, massive funk. Oh yeah, Dylan I sent a 663 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,600 Speaker 1: message to Andrew Howard, producer of Savor on Friday. I 664 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,480 Speaker 1: was like, Yeah, this is what happens when you let 665 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,960 Speaker 1: Max produce Ridiculous History on Friday. He gets weird and 666 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:56,920 Speaker 1: starts singing, Yeah, I love that Friday punchy Max energy. 667 00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,359 Speaker 1: I live for it. So, you know, obviously, Hugh, thanks 668 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,520 Speaker 1: suproducer Max Williams and brother Alex Williams who composed this theme. 669 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,000 Speaker 1: Christopher Actiods, who we got to hang out with in 670 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,400 Speaker 1: the in the Flesh, Ben and I we were just 671 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,800 Speaker 1: in where were we have been? Dallas at a podcast 672 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,960 Speaker 1: movement um, and I think we may have armed twisted 673 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,560 Speaker 1: old Christopher into getting himself a microphone so we can 674 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,120 Speaker 1: have him on the show. More off him. Yeah, no, no, no, 675 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,759 Speaker 1: I I threatened him. I'm not about saying it. So 676 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,880 Speaker 1: also thanks to uh, the ongoing threat to Ridiculous History, 677 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:35,320 Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland, a k a. The Quister Uh, and thanks 678 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,920 Speaker 1: to you know what, We're not gonna say thanks to 679 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:45,200 Speaker 1: Villiam Reich yet because his story is not over at 680 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,759 Speaker 1: this point. And of course we want to give a 681 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:52,759 Speaker 1: big shout out to all the psychologists and psychiatrists and 682 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:59,279 Speaker 1: therapist listening along today, some of this story may be familiar. 683 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,240 Speaker 1: We can't wait to hear your take on the story 684 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,960 Speaker 1: of Wilhelm Reich. Let us get to part two and 685 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,719 Speaker 1: let us know what you think. Over on Facebook, where 686 00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,240 Speaker 1: we're ridiculous historians. That's right, you can find us there. 687 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,239 Speaker 1: You can find uh. We're working on getting some some 688 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,640 Speaker 1: show level social media happening on the Graham. But in 689 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,799 Speaker 1: the meantime, you can follow me exclusively on Instagram where 690 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,080 Speaker 1: I'm at. How now, Noel brown Man, I believe you've 691 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:30,560 Speaker 1: got a couple of presidencies on the worldwide webs It's true. Yeah, 692 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,200 Speaker 1: I classed up Instagram. You can find me in a 693 00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,360 Speaker 1: burst of creativity being called at Ben Bulling bow L 694 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:42,360 Speaker 1: I n on Instagram. 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Yes, 704 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,920 Speaker 1: you can only find me in very specific parts of Twitter, 705 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:18,200 Speaker 1: such as, uh, you know, trolling Ben on his tweets, 706 00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,040 Speaker 1: so you can find me there, or you can find 707 00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,200 Speaker 1: me at at ahl Underscore Max Williams. All right, we're 708 00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:28,000 Speaker 1: gonna psychoanalyze ourselves. Uh and and have a quick check 709 00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:32,319 Speaker 1: in before we get to part two. Right, no anybody else? 710 00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm a chaise 711 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:45,440 Speaker 1: standing by. We'll see you next time. Folks. For more 712 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,000 Speaker 1: podcasts for my Heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app, 713 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,120 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.