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Speaker 2: And them and Tye welcome back to the Solid Rebo Boys.

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Speaker 2: My name is ty Hildebrand, that fine gentleman over there,

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Speaker 2: the one the only still be incomparable being a bit

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Speaker 2: under the weather, Dan Rubinstein, sir, Yeah, how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty good all things considered, Come on, life is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're recording this on a Monday afternoon. This show's

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Speaker 2: It's fair to say, it's fair to ask welcome back

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Speaker 2: one and all. Today we continue our spring snapshot. So

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Speaker 1: Could we get a Dilly bar Dan signed Minnesota Minnie helmet?

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Speaker 2: Well look right in soliverbogmail dot com is the email.

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Speaker 2: I know people are boisterous on the subject. There will

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Speaker 2: send us tweets, send us emails. Even if you vietmaantly disagree,

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Speaker 1: That's fine perfectly at least call us handsome and then disagree,

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Speaker 2: Takes handsome, Dan, Do we still have the puddle of

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Speaker 2: We've been doing here throughout the month of April now

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Speaker 2: Let's just circle the wagons here for a hot minute

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Speaker 2: I was looking hard at the margins here. It is Alabama.

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Speaker 2: It's all gonna work itself out in time. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: No, the offense should be terrific and you have the

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Speaker 2: the line, and the line is my second point. Yeah,

434
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 2: of blurriness if you want to call it that. There

435
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 2: were fifteen sacks in this game. Bryce Young took ten

436
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 2: of them. Most of that was pressure from the edges. Now, yeah, look,

437
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 2: they weren't playing with a full deck here. There were

438
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 2: some guys who were out. Obviously, Evan Neil got drafted

439
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 2: seventh overall by the Giants, so they're without him. They're

440
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 2: going to have to replace that production. It is unclear

441
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,199
Speaker 2: whether or not it's that the line is still developing

442
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 2: and that they were just without guys, or if it's

443
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 2: because the defense is so damn good. It could be

444
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 2: that the defense is just so damn good it doesn't

445
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 2: matter who it is, nobody's gonna block them. So a

446
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 2: little blurry. They got to figure out the line thing.

447
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 2: I think they will and do time. Again, It's Alabama.

448
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 2: Depth is not usually a problem there, but if any

449
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 2: indication the spring game. Yeah, there was a lot of

450
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 2: pressure on all the quarterbacks in this game fifteen total sacks,

451
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 2: and they're going to have to figure that out in

452
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 2: time for the season. My hunch is that it won't

453
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 2: be that bad once we get to September. But just

454
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 2: a talking point. And then the third and final thing

455
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 2: that I'd mention, and it's not really a point of curiosity.

456
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 2: It's not even really that blurry. It's just a uniquely

457
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 2: Alabama problem at cornerback. Pete Golding, their defensive coordinator, said

458
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 2: that he's most concerned about the cornerback position.

459
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

460
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 2: The problem for everyone else is that this isn't really

461
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 2: a problem for Alabama. The problem is that they've got

462
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 2: three guys who could all be cornerback. One could be

463
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 2: kool Aid mckisstree, could be Kyrie Jackson, could be Eli

464
00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 2: h although he recently got arrested, just saw that today,

465
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 2: which is not good for his standing in this race.

466
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 2: But all three of those guys, in some way, shape

467
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 2: or form, could end up being the first cornerback just

468
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,479
Speaker 2: because they don't know how they stack up. I assume

469
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 2: that's why Pete Golding's a little bit unnerved. By the

470
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 2: position group at the moment, but clearly they have enough

471
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 2: talent that by the time the live bullets start start

472
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 2: to fly, they will have this thing in good working order.

473
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 2: They still have Jordan Battle, by the way, at the

474
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 2: back end of that defense, which tends to again paper

475
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 2: over some sins. So I feel pretty good about Alabama.

476
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 2: There's no reason not to. But at least as the

477
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 2: spring game goes. Those are a few areas that I

478
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 2: think we demand more answers throughout the rest of the

479
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 2: preseason here as we get closer to Labor Day weekend.

480
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, since twenty eighteen, Alabama has not really

481
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: fielded a top ten defense. This is again by the

482
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 1: Alabama standard. That the Alabama offense has been so explosive

483
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: that it does put its own defense into a bit

484
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 1: of a predicament by being on the field as much

485
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 1: as they have been at times. But counterpoint, Will Anderson

486
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 1: can get you off a field pretty quickly, so will Anderson.

487
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: So I am not terribly concerned about Alabama, because I

488
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: don't know when you have a weapon like that and

489
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: when you've built up the depth that they have, especially

490
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 1: mentioned Jordan Battle in the back end of that defense,

491
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 1: it's still a question like this is a This is

492
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 1: as interesting an offensive SEC as we've had. Now. Arkansas

493
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: has a lot more firepower always obviously making quarterback transition.

494
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,719
Speaker 1: But Mississippi State should be dangerous. A and m LSU

495
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 1: dangerous in their own ways that they have experience. But

496
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: we don't know exactly what either of those teams are

497
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: going to be doing offensively. But it's as intriguing a

498
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: depth of offense in the SEC as we've seen in

499
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 1: sometimes so that just puts more pressure on the Alabama defense. So, yeah,

500
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: it'd be fascinating. Why don't we take that as our

501
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: queue to go over to Florida?

502
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 2: Let's depth of offense in the SEC. Billy Napier taking

503
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: over in Gainesville. This was his debut. What was the

504
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 2: general vibe on Billy Napier after? Yeah, whatever you want

505
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 2: to call this.

506
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 1: I think people are pretty high on Napier. I'm pretty

507
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: excited about Florida football. Now it's year one. Anthony Richardson

508
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: is the guy. Emery Jones hasn't transferred yet but announced

509
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: his intention to transfer. It might be a graduation thing.

510
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 1: He's waiting to graduate. There's interesting talent at running back.

511
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 1: They lose Jacob Copeland to Maryland. Line is wait and see.

512
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 1: Defenses wait and see, especially after losing some key transfers,

513
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: especially at linebacker. You know, there's talent on both sides

514
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 1: of the ball, but in terms of game breaking electric dudes, right,

515
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 1: there's potential, but not obvious answers. And so I think

516
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: because at least the offense will be based around a high,

517
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: high ceiling guy in Anthony Richardson, and with the optimism

518
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: that comes with hiring a new head coach and he

519
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 1: brings in his guys from Louisiana. Patrick Tony has done

520
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 1: a really good job with Louisiana defense these past couple

521
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,719
Speaker 1: of years. They were a top twenty inch defense. I

522
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: believe these past couple of years, or at least last year,

523
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 1: that they're going to be in a good place. It

524
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: could be looks like Montreal Johnson might be the strongest

525
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: option out of the backfield. He comes in from Louisiana

526
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 1: for Florida, replacing Damian Pierce, and they just they've had

527
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 1: a lot of dudes in Gainesville recently, and so those

528
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: guys were a little bit more obvious both in the

529
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: offseason and in their potential. Be it you know, Kyle

530
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: Pitts or Kadarius Tony whoever. That with Florida starting over,

531
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: there is that sense of, Okay, we don't know exactly

532
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: who it's going to be and how it's going to go.

533
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: But we were so tired of the weekend and week

534
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: out drama of and that was more defense than offense

535
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: of the Dan Mullen era, that we're just excited to

536
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: see what a full fledged Anthony Richardson team and offense

537
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: can look like. So Florida is in that interesting place.

538
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: You know, They've had some interesting transfers, you know, especially

539
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: at running back, and they've lost some key guys and

540
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: you know, Kyrie Elam just gets drafted in the first

541
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: round at corner. I think they'll be all right. I

542
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: think Florida fans will be relatively relatively forgiving in year one.

543
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: But in terms of the Spring, it seems like, you know,

544
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: it's hope, Spring's eternal.

545
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: I'm curious to see what kind of commentary we see

546
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 2: around culture. Sure, culture, it's the favorite topic of the

547
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: new coach. Yeah, always in forever getting guys to quote

548
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 2: unquote buy in to the extent where it needs to be.

549
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 2: One of our fantasy things this year. I told you earlier,

550
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 2: but especially in a year where we've seen so much

551
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 2: movement on the coaching front, culture is something that a

552
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 2: lot of folks are going to talk about, and I

553
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 2: think it's actually quite pertinent. For as much as I

554
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 2: poke fun about it. Culture at Florida was something that

555
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 2: was lacking under Dan Bull. Yeah, whether it was in

556
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 2: the recruiting game, whether it was just about getting guys

557
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 2: to go out there and play hard. There were games

558
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 2: last year where they took off. It took off, they

559
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 2: didn't care. We were calling them the one two three

560
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 2: can coon team of the week. Yeah, a couple times over.

561
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 2: So one thing you know about BILLI Napier, his team's

562
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 2: at Louisiana did not have that problem. They were ballers.

563
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 2: They played whistle to whistle. If he can instill any

564
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 2: of that at Florida, and of course we can't really

565
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 2: know that after a spring game, right, but that is

566
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 2: what I think I'm most interested in seeing come the fall.

567
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 2: If he can instill any of that in this Gator squad,

568
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 2: they'll be better for it.

569
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he will, and I think it's just

570
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: going to take a minute. Especially it seemed like there's

571
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: a lot of enthusiasm around the program. There was something

572
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: like three hundred plus. I don't know if it's recruits

573
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: or prospects. A ton of former players and coaches were back,

574
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: like there is more of an electricity around the program.

575
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: We'll see how that actually manifests on the recruiting trail

576
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: come December, in the early signing period anyway. But yeah,

577
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: I'm hopeful and optimistic that Florida's trajectory is going to

578
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: a good place. It's gonna take a minute to actually

579
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: figure out what you do and don't have and navigating

580
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: the portal and all those types of things. But no,

581
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: they're not. I think they're in a strong, medium term place.

582
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: Let's go, let's do Ohio State, oh would love to.

583
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: Let's do at Let's follow.

584
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 2: The urban Meyer pathway. Yeah, from plog.

585
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: Jack, it's a reverse Jack Miller who just transferred to

586
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: Florida from Ohio State.

587
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: Reverse Jack Miller. Ohio State had a fitting, touching tribute

588
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: to Dwayne Haskins.

589
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

590
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: As part of this game the video, CJ. Stroud wore

591
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 2: his number. There were decals and the helmets. I thought

592
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 2: it was a nice, nice tribute after the untimely pass

593
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 2: of Dwayne Haskins, a longtime fan favorite. Yeah, so hard

594
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 2: to kind of watch that, But at the same time,

595
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: I thought a nice move from the Ohio State University

596
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 2: to honor Dwayne Haskins. Hard to come away too disappointed

597
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 2: as an Ohio State fan unless you were expecting to

598
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: see star power on display in the Ohio State spring game, right.

599
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. CJ.

600
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 2: Stroud played five drives and that was it. Then they

601
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: pulled the plug. Guys like Treveon Henderson and Jackson Smith

602
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 2: and Jigba played even less. Trey Henderson played seven snaps,

603
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 2: JSN played sixteen snaps. Perfect, perfect, Perfect. You don't want

604
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 2: those guys getting hurt. They're the foundation of your team,

605
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 2: of your offense. Great for what it's worth. Ryan Day

606
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 2: seemed very pleased with himself, was very happy with what

607
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 2: he saw. The sense that I get from watching the highlights,

608
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 2: from reading commentary on blogs, and then from looking at

609
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 2: coaches comments after the game. Even the blurry parts for

610
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: Ohio State are mostly in focus, which is a great

611
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 2: place to be when it's may right. Even the blurry

612
00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 2: parts Seemen focus. For example, they just lost on back

613
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: to back picks on picks ten and eleven, two hundred

614
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: and four targets in the form of Garrett Wilson and

615
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 2: Chris Olave, who were first round draft picks into the NFL.

616
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 2: For most teams, that's a catastrophe to lose that. It's

617
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 2: a first off, most teams don't have that level of

618
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 2: receiver in their receiving room to begin with, correct on

619
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 2: top of JSN, but to lose that kind of production,

620
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 2: it's like, that's all we're talking about in the off season.

621
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, not really the case for Ohio State.

622
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: No, it's a concern. It's a concern. Hell, look at Bama,

623
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 2: it's more of a concern for them. But if you

624
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 2: look at where Ohio State's at, they're just sort of

625
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,479
Speaker 2: going to roll with Marvin Harrison Junior. They feel confident

626
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 2: that he's going to be their guy. A Mecca Igbuca yep.

627
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: Both both made plays in the Rose Bowl against Utah.

628
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it factors in that he's probably gonna be the

629
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: the number two or number three, depending on how you categorize,

630
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 2: because they're probably still going to play JSN in the slot,

631
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 2: right like it could be him, it could be Julian Fleming.

632
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 2: But they just have guys and it's sort of that

633
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 2: next man up mentality that I think gives them a

634
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 2: great deal of confidence. They feel pretty good about where

635
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 2: they're at receiver despite that loss, and it's sort of

636
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 2: like that across the board. The first team for Ohio

637
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 2: State is kind of set at this point. Yeah, so

638
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: you know you're coming from a really good spot if

639
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 2: you feel like that's the case across the board. Much

640
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 2: of the conversation post spring game was not about Hey,

641
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 2: who's going to be the starting whatever, it's who's going

642
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: to be the number two?

643
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: Right, who's going to be?

644
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 2: Kai Stokes was great at safety. He can be the backup.

645
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 2: He's a freshman.

646
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, awesome.

647
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 2: That was the whole conversation. And that's why I think

648
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: I like Ohio State not to get too far out

649
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 2: over my skis here. That's why I like Ohio State

650
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 2: to win the Big Ten because the.

651
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: Conversation in May, he had a call from you.

652
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 2: I'm really going out in a limb, I know it.

653
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 2: The conversation is less about players and it's more about scheme. Sure,

654
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: because we know the first teamers. What we don't know

655
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: is what's the defense totally going to look like under

656
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: Jim Knowles. Yeah, I know what he wants to do.

657
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 2: He said what he wants to do. He said, believe

658
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 2: it or not, he wants to play a more aggressive

659
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: brand of defense to have to which they all say, yep,

660
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 2: without fail. He talked a little bit about wanting corners

661
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 2: to play tighter, wanted to be more aggressive, throw a

662
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 2: couple punches right, all the normal cliches apply. I guess

663
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 2: we saw a little bit of that. Maybe in the

664
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 2: spring game. We'll find out a lot more about that

665
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 2: again once the actual football and actual season get kicked

666
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 2: off later this year. But in terms of where the

667
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 2: conversation's at at this point, I think it's a lot

668
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 2: around depth. They like their top line. I think they

669
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 2: feel confident about who their starters are going to be.

670
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 2: The Jim Knowles thing is still a little bit blurry,

671
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 2: but for whatever it's worth, he was also pretty pleased,

672
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 2: quote unquote, very pleased by what he saw. And that's

673
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: about as enthusiastic as anybody's going to get at this

674
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: juncture in spring so Ohio State fans, I think you've

675
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: got a lot to be excited about.

676
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: Evan Pryor.

677
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 2: By the way, like speaking of depth, they've already got

678
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 2: two really good running backs. Evan Pryor looked awesome in

679
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 2: this game. Now they have three, yep, now they have three.

680
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 2: That's the conversation for Ohio State. It's about stacking guys

681
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 2: on top of other guys, building depth to an unhealthy

682
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 2: level that nobody can compete. And you have to feel

683
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 2: good about where they're at this coming season, provided the

684
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 2: defense takes a step forward, which I think it will.

685
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, if guys in that front on

686
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: defense and they got better at it over the course

687
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: of the year, at least until that Michigan game, remember

688
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: which gap is theirs, and are able to maintain a

689
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: position therein, they'll be all right. But we saw a

690
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 1: lot of exploited against Oregon. We saw a lot exploited

691
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: over the course of that game against Michigan, and so

692
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: with a new defensive coordinator, I know it was a

693
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 1: new guy calling plays either after the Oregon game or

694
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: shortly thereafter, sure, but that's the big thing. It's just learning, applying, executing.

695
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: Same goes for everybody. But it's weird to talk about

696
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: Ohio States defense, which has been one of the surest

697
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: things in the sport this past decade or so, that

698
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: they were a squad that struggled with that last year.

699
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: That it's just you know, Carrie Coombs was not the

700
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: long term, top flight answer at defensive coordinator, for as

701
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: much as he contributed to that program, was not the

702
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: long term answer. And Jim Knowles, by every indication with

703
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: what he's done recently, more specifically with fielding a top

704
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 1: whatever five to six national defense last year, Oklahoma State

705
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: should be that guy to get things organized and should

706
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: be that teacher to help write the ship in Columbus.

707
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 2: Despite all of the hand ringing overall Ohio State's defense,

708
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 2: their ranking as a defensive entity per the SP plus

709
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: was still twentieth. Okay, twentieth in the nation. That was

710
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 2: not without brain farts. Okay, there were brain fart moments,

711
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 2: especially in defensing the pass the passes where they need

712
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 2: to get.

713
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: The Yeah, the secondary fell off, for sure.

714
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 2: Secondary fell off. But I think the larger point here

715
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: for Jim Knowles, everybody wants to shut down defense. Everybody

716
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 2: wants that without exception. Yeah, marginal improvement, marginal improvement on

717
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 2: the defensive side of the ball makes this team unstoppable, unstoppable,

718
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 2: and so if he can get them there just a

719
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: little bit more aggressive. They're gonna have a good pass

720
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: rush that will help. Just marginal improvement, especially in that secondary,

721
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 2: makes this team unstoppable.

722
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: We'll see.

723
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll be wrong, but I feel pretty confident that

724
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 2: I'm right.

725
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen a lot of movement along in the

726
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: secondary transferring out. Now that's the numbers thing overall, to

727
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: get down to proper scholarship numbers. But you know, Marcus Hooker,

728
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 1: seven Banks, guys like that. You know, I've struggled these

729
00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: past couple of years, and it's a new era. It's

730
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: a new era. And I'm saying, by the way, thirty

731
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: eighth in defensive points allowed per drive in twenty twenty one,

732
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: So by whatever metric, it definitely fell off.

733
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 2: It fell off.

734
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 1: It's not the worst, not the worst.

735
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 2: Could definitely be better. Yeah, so we'll see. Let's stay

736
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: inside the big ten. Speaking of new eras Dan, Yeah,

737
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 2: the mel Tucker era in easta Lancing started with Rave reviews,

738
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 2: Rave reviews, and now the conversation going into twenty twenty

739
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 2: two is can they take another step forward? Can Michigan

740
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 2: State take another step forward? They were kind of a

741
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 2: surprise team last year in many regards. UH Huh, what

742
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 2: if anything did we learn in our spring snapshot of

743
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 2: Michigan State.

744
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: I mean, Peyton Thorn's the dude at quarterback. Obviously, Jayden

745
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: Reid's the guy at number one receiver. We'll see at

746
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: running back. Jayalenberger comes in from Wisconsin. Jack Broussard will

747
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: come in from Colorado, who is the twenty twenty Pac

748
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: twelve Offensive Player of the Year and obviously goes back

749
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 1: with mel Tucker from his time at Colorado. A mere

750
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: speed comes in at cornerback to help uppeed.

751
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 2: I love it.

752
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: A mere speed, Yes, at corner perfe a need of

753
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: need for speed position because Michigan State really did struggle

754
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: in a lot of wide swaths of the season defending

755
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: deep balls, and we saw it exploited crazily against Purdue

756
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: and Aidan O'Connell and like just Ohio State destroyed Michigan

757
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: State through the air, and just that seems to be

758
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: the one weakness. And they're trying to shore up things

759
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: up front. They're bringing a Florida transfer on one of

760
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: the edges, like there are they are addressing things, uh,

761
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: and I I think a big one is going to

762
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 1: be replacing Kenneth Walker. Although it's not a huge, huge deal.

763
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: You know, the offensive line, you weren't able to glean

764
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: much from spring as you're not for most of these

765
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: schools because they're either beat up and not going to

766
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: risk anything with offensive linemen, or they're splitting them up,

767
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 1: and so you get a lot of twos and threes

768
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: sprinkled into the mix for split up squad matchups. But no,

769
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: the big thing is going to be getting more of

770
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: a pass rush and being better deep against the pass.

771
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: They're still interesting quarterbacks in the Big Ten, and so

772
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: Michigan State. You know, credit to mel Tucker. He is

773
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: not going to moralize about is this what we want

774
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: football to be? He has been a portal aggressor and

775
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: that to me is going to be fascinating as Michigan

776
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: State tries to address its weaknesses, especially on defense, especially

777
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 1: getting after the quarterback, and on offense, seeing who emerges

778
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: behind Jaden Reid at receiver, because I think even if

779
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: that's second aar and even if the pass defense improves

780
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: to say average, they're gonna need to continue to score points,

781
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: which I think they're gonna do, but it's turning. I

782
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 1: think at times they were reliant a little bit too

783
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: much on generating that one explosive play to score points

784
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: and figuring out a nicer balance between explosivity and efficiency

785
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: on that offense. And as they stack the running back room,

786
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: as they get deeper at offensive lineman, as they hit

787
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: the portal to address some weaknesses. I think they're going

788
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: to do it. I really do think they're going to

789
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: do it because I like the proactivity of mel Tucker

790
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: and his staff. So they're in a good place and

791
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: it's going. I'm still a little bit hesitant about putting

792
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 1: Michigan State despite what they won there. Whatever bullet was

793
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: last year was at the Peach Bowl. What Bowl did

794
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: they end up in it. I'm a little bit hesitant

795
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: just because Michigan State had a little bit of an

796
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: element of smoke and mirrors to their wins, which win

797
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: you're clunkers. Winning is better than losing, not faulting them.

798
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: But I want to see more sustained, high level play

799
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: I think from Sparti, which I honestly anticipate.

800
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: I think what we saw last year is revelation. Sure

801
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 2: it was a revelation and there were a lot of

802
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: guys on that team. Kenneth Walker, the third obviously had

803
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 2: a huge impact. He was the focal point of that offense.

804
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 2: But there were plenty of moments where peyton Thorn was huge,

805
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 2: came up huge to an extent that was unexpected peyton Thorn.

806
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 2: I remember this time last year, we didn't know a

807
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 2: lot about Michigan State, not the least of which was

808
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: is Peyton Thorne going to be any good? We had

809
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 2: no idea. Peyton Thorn, through twenty seven touchdowns last year,

810
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 2: had ten picks, was not always the cleanest quarterback out there,

811
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: but still completed sixty percent of his passes. He can

812
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 2: take a step forward, and if they can continue to

813
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 2: have that running game, be it through Jalen Berger anybody else,

814
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 2: as something they can fall back on. This is not

815
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 2: a team that is short on effort. I talked about

816
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 2: culture earlier. These guys bought into Meltucker rather quickly, and

817
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,439
Speaker 2: they played hard from whistle to whistle. They were never

818
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 2: out of a game. Just look at that Michigan game.

819
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 1: The churn has been interesting. Eighteen ish players have left

820
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: the program, which is almost to be expecting when you

821
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: have a new coach. Some guys are going to say, Okay,

822
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: I'll give them a year or two and see how

823
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: I feel. So eighteen I think was the number I saw,

824
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: but it's a round that that have left the program

825
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: since I think late in the season last year. Another

826
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: name to watch out for, and this is a big

827
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: thing with defenses going from pretty decent to really interesting,

828
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: is getting those the star power type guys, and Darius

829
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: Snow is the name that emerged during the spring. A

830
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: linebacker safety type hybrid has experienced safety, but it's practicing

831
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: with linebackers and when you get those sorts of tweeners

832
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: that allow you to do different things with the same personnel,

833
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: especially with mel Tucker's background, that's where it becomes a

834
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: little bit interesting. So that's the name that a lot

835
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: of people like to have on their lips the tips

836
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: of their tongues this spring. Darius Snow speaking of new eras.

837
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 2: Dan, why don't we close out this podcast talking about

838
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 2: Virginia Tech.

839
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: Let's let's talk.

840
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 2: About Virginia Tech. As we frame things in terms of

841
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 2: in focus and blurry, I feel compelled to mention that

842
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 2: pretty much the whole damn thing is blurry. For Brent

843
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,439
Speaker 2: Pry at this point, it seems like he's doing saying

844
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 2: the right things to his credit for one. He brought

845
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 2: back a lot of the old letterman Bruce Smith and Campbell.

846
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: And that's such a fantasy thing. Oh big, that's like,

847
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: you know what, these guys haven't been around the program.

848
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: The previous staff always here.

849
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 2: You always hear.

850
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: They didn't feel part of the program.

851
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 2: That's the way they're going back, right all the time,

852
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 2: rutes going back.

853
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: I saw that with Jed Fish in Arizona. You've seen

854
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: it with Oregon. I don't know if Marcus Freeman's been

855
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: bringing back the Notre Dame guys that Brian Kelly alienated.

856
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: I'm making that up, but that's a big spring thing.

857
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: The alumni are invested, and I would say part of

858
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: the family.

859
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 2: Of the time. You don't hear that about programs that

860
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 2: are winning, do you. No, No find ways to feel

861
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 2: like they're part of the program when a team goes

862
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 2: ten and two. But yep, no, they just didn't feel

863
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,240
Speaker 2: like part of the program under Justin Fuente. For whatever

864
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: that's worth, Brent pry not making that mistake brought them

865
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 2: all back, big old homecoming. Good for him. You know,

866
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 2: you got to build relationships. You got to start somewhere

867
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 2: when you're tearing this thing down to the du and

868
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 2: starting over, and so good on him. I think that

869
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 2: was an important move. He's off to a good start there.

870
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 2: The hok He's lost some guys to the NFL from

871
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 2: last season. They lost other guys in terms of just

872
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 2: general personnel, maybe not NFL guys, but going elsewhere. And

873
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 2: Brent Pry finds himself in a situation where he's trying

874
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 2: to put a roster together. In many respects, he is

875
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 2: starting from square one in that department. He is right

876
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: now pulling that old move from NCAA fourteen in the

877
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 2: preseason or offseason. I don't recall which step of the

878
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 2: journey this belonged to, but you remember the old position

879
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 2: changes grouping, Remember that step. Yep, he's doing that.

880
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: He's doing that a lot.

881
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 2: Frankly, Connor Blummereck, who came over as a quarterback, he's

882
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 2: now working out with the wide receivers and tight end.

883
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 2: What else do we got here? We got Gunner giving

884
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 2: Keyante Jenkins, Lakeim Rudolph Jordan and Jaden McDonald, Kelly Lawson,

885
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 2: Bryce Goodr. I'm sure I missed somebody in there, but

886
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 2: there are a couple of ways you can look at

887
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 2: this The first is that Brent Pry and you know,

888
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: his oversized hog.

889
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: Let's be right, how dare.

890
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 2: They're just better at putting Town in the right spots

891
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 2: and Tech's going to be better for it. That's the

892
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 2: more optimistic view. The more pessimistic view is he's only

893
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: changing their positions because he has to, because he needs

894
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 2: depth elsewhere.

895
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, you guys.

896
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 2: I think the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

897
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 2: I don't feel great about the position changes. This feels

898
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 2: like a lot, especially in this case, a lot of

899
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 2: guys are changing positions. So it's fair to question depth.

900
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 2: How we've been questioning recruiting for the last three years

901
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 2: under Justin Fuente. So depth kind of follows suit here.

902
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 2: He's doing what he thinks is right. He's putting guys

903
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,919
Speaker 2: and what he thinks is their rightful position. But there's

904
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 2: been a lot of position changes, especially on the defensive

905
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 2: side of the ball.

906
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 1: By the way, in terms of spring storylines, generically speaking,

907
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: the only thing more intriguing than like a bullet point

908
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: and a beat writer's you know, news and notes, Colin.

909
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 1: They're like, he's been working out at safety, He's been

910
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: working out a receiver he's been working out along the

911
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: offensive line this spring is when an athlete from another

912
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: sport decides to give football a go. Like hurdler coming

913
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: in to take some reps at receiver, basketball player coming

914
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: in to take some reps. It's safe.

915
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 2: Hmmm.

916
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 1: Guy throws the shot put. What could he do at nose?

917
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 2: And it's like the Drake London thing. Oh, Drake London.

918
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 2: It wasn't a full time football player until dot dot

919
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 2: dot Yeah.

920
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: Oh well, yeah, of course. But I'm saying specific to

921
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: like a spring narrative that means basically, nothing is taking

922
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: some reps a linebacker. I love that. So there's a

923
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 1: lot of that right now at Tech.

924
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, not necessarily guys from other sports coming in, but

925
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 2: guys within the current roster being moved about and playing elsewhere.

926
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 2: You see a lot. He's doing it a lot. I look,

927
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 2: they're starting over. It's gonna take a while for any

928
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 2: of this to yield results, and I hope folks are

929
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,760
Speaker 2: patient with Brent Pry, especially on the offensive side. Look,

930
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 2: I don't know what to expect offensively from this team.

931
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 2: The whole thing seems blurry to me. Grant Wells looks

932
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,280
Speaker 2: like he's going to be the quarterback. He's the transfer

933
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 2: from Marshall. Yeah yeah, threw a lot, but yeah, kind

934
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 2: of inconsistent in his own right. But he comes over.

935
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, it seems like he's probably got the knot

936
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 2: at quarterback. There's an open competition at running back as well.

937
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 2: Caleb Smith look good out wide, but the top two

938
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 2: receivers are gone. Brent Pride didn't like. He said openly

939
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 2: he didn't like what he saw from the line.

940
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: So there's that.

941
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 2: I feel like that's the one common thread. Nobody likes

942
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 2: anything they saw from the line in the spring game,

943
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 2: and that could be for a multitude of reasons, ranging

944
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,720
Speaker 2: from a bunch of guys were hurt till we lost

945
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 2: guys to the NFL to maybe they're just not good.

946
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 2: I don't know, but he didn't like what he saw.

947
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: I actually really like Tyler Bowen, their new offensive coordinator.

948
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 2: If you read up on Tyler bow I really like

949
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 2: Tyler Bowen. I don't know if he's going to be

950
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 2: able to be as creative as he'd like, but he

951
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,760
Speaker 2: comes from good stock on that old Fordham staff go Rams,

952
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,720
Speaker 2: and he was helping with the offense to the extent

953
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 2: that anybody could help with the Jags last season. But

954
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 2: I really like Tyler Bowen. I hope he's able to

955
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 2: put some of his stuff in place, But it's a

956
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 2: fair question to wonder, it's very blurry at the stage

957
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 2: whether or not he'll have the tools to really succeed

958
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 2: quickly in Blacksburg.

959
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: The weirdest thing about what's happened to Virginia Tech is

960
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 1: how irrelevant to the college football conversation they've become fill

961
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: off a crat that they might as well be favored

962
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: to win the Sun Belt this year, that they that

963
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: nobody outside of Virginia Tech or perhaps Virginia fans, these

964
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: are my words. Does anybody have a Virginia Tech opinion

965
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two about where they stand within the

966
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: sports hierarchy? Which is nuts to say with how much

967
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: NFL talent, with how much intriguing offensive talent. I mean,

968
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: the NFL talent has come largely on defense, but they've

969
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: had game breaking receivers and quarterbacks and linebackers and you know,

970
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: defensive backs all from the same family, if I recall correctly,

971
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: But Virginia Tech might as well be a USFL team

972
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: right now. Hopefully that changes with Brent pry, But that,

973
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: to me is one of the wilder regressions within the sport.

974
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:50,280
Speaker 1: It's just that nobody cares that Virginia Tech is good, bad, average.

975
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: Whatever that they've they're the brand has taken such a hit.

976
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: I'm glad they've welcomed back Bruce Smith with open arms.

977
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: In fact, I would like every program to welcome Bruce

978
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: Smith to the facility with that. To me is the

979
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 1: mark of a program heading in the right direction. Did

980
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: they welcome Bruce Smith? Did Texas A and M bring

981
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: Bruce Smith in? Did Minnesota bring Bruce Smith in and

982
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: welcome in with opening arms? So good for Virginia Tech,

983
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 1: the most meaningful of which of all the programs that

984
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: should be concerned with Bruce Smith for bring welcoming.

985
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 2: Back with arms exactly.

986
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: But no, that's the big thing to me is that

987
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: the Hokies are just a non factor. And I know,

988
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: you know, to whatever extent we're responsible, we are because

989
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,720
Speaker 1: we host a show. But they just haven't been interesting.

990
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 2: Here's what will be interesting about them. Yeah, maybe I'm

991
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 2: again kart before the horse with this. Yeah, Brent Pryce

992
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 2: a really good defensive coach. Yeah, there's enough back on defense,

993
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 2: especially in the back end of that defense.

994
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: Uh huh.

995
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 2: To keep that side of the ball interesting. Upfront more

996
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 2: of a concern. Yeah, but he's a good coach. He

997
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 2: knows what he's doing on the defensive side of the ball, especially.

998
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 2: I could see a world in which it's October, Virginia

999
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 2: Tech's got a big game against I don't know somebody whoever, Yeah,

1000
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 2: and the defense is interesting enough to keep the offense

1001
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 2: in the game. It could be that kind of year

1002
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 2: sure for Virginia Tech. Maybe I'm dead, Row tell me

1003
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 2: if I'm wrong. But the vibes that I get is that,

1004
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 2: especially given Brent Pry and his huge Hogs pedigree, is

1005
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 2: that defensively interesting, paving the way for spots on offense

1006
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 2: if they can get a little bit more out of

1007
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 2: Grant Wells and however they construct the offense under Tyler Bowen. Okay,

1008
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 2: So I think if you're a Tech fan you'll take that.

1009
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:35,919
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1010
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 2: Frankly, they they've been there, maybe not in that exact calculation,

1011
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 2: but they've been there where it's like they've been interesting adjacent.

1012
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 2: So to remain there in the twenty twenty two season

1013
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 2: as a starting point under a new regime, you'll take that.

1014
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: Okay. They open with Ricky Ronnie and oh do you

1015
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: they do?

1016
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 2: They do?

1017
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: And hold on. I'm gonna get this right. Norfolk Norfolk, Yep,

1018
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: you got it, Norfolk, Norfolk, no vowels in their Norfolk.

1019
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 2: B C.

1020
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:07,879
Speaker 1: Wawford Go Terriers, West Virginia, North Carolina, Pitt Miami, NC State,

1021
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:13,720
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech, Duke Liberty, Virginia. Okay, it's extreme their schedule,

1022
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: that's what it saims. But here we are, can I

1023
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: request because we usually do this during the season, the

1024
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 1: secret verbal, oh that yeah, to see if anybody's still

1025
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 1: listening at the end of the show, we asked them

1026
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: to tweet a very specific message to very specific accounts

1027
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,280
Speaker 1: and not trace it back to the solid verbal.

1028
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 2: Was this was a secret to me. By the way,

1029
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,280
Speaker 2: I didn't know you're gonna do this, So I'm excited.

1030
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 1: I well, I just thought of it. Because of the conversation.

1031
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: I want people to badger the program of their choice

1032
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: on social media and ask them why haven't we been

1033
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: welcoming Bruce Smith back with open arms Duquine Football, Sam

1034
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: Houston State. So this is more of an open ended

1035
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: why are we not welcoming Bruce Smith? Back with open arms?

1036
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: Why are we giving all of that energy to Virginia

1037
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: Tech but give folks.

1038
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 2: Kind of a breed of Twitter user to target if

1039
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 2: you will. Breed's the wrong word. But like, are we

1040
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:11,720
Speaker 2: going after athletic writers?

1041
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: Are we going to official school accounts and official school accounts,

1042
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: official school accounts and the you know, athletic department intern

1043
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: that runs the account and just confuse them, Tulsa, why

1044
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: are we not welcoming Bruce Smith back with open arms?

1045
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:32,240
Speaker 1: Cal Why in Nevada? Why are we not Idaho vandals

1046
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: welcoming Bruce Smith back with open arms?

1047
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 2: I like that this is an expanded secret verbal. I

1048
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 2: like it.

1049
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: I like the cut of your earth Kibe tweet at

1050
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: whichever program you would like, and very earnestly, without tracing

1051
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 1: it back to the solid verbal, ask them what steps

1052
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: are we taking to welcome Bruce Smith back with open arms?

1053
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: That's all I ask? Is that too much?

1054
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think that's all we have. Yeah,

1055
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 2: on the show today, we appreciate everybody stopping. Buy stop

1056
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 2: back on Thursday. On Thursday, we'll be doing more teams.

1057
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 2: We've got more team five, more teams cued up that

1058
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 2: we're going to discuss same level of detail. Hopefully, don't

1059
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 2: forget going out to Verballers dot com. Dan and I

1060
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 2: are gonna be doing an in person show for the

1061
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 2: first time in eons. I can't wait this coming week,

1062
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:20,760
Speaker 2: uh bru and A. We're gonna answer questions in person.

1063
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 2: I'm bringing this board. I don't know if you can

1064
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 2: see it on the camera, bringing the board with me

1065
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:25,560
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1066
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 2: get together. I'm gonna neat so much, beizza looking forward

1067
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,040
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1068
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,640
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1069
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,319
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1070
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Speaker 1: That helps.

1075
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 2: It really does help, all right, cool for that guy

1076
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 2: over there, I'm my good friend Dan Rubinstein for myself,

1077
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 2: Ty hilden Brandt, We'll be back with you in a

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00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 2: few short days and the NY time. It's always you

1079
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,760
Speaker 2: know the deal, Stay solid, peace.

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Speaker 1: Your invite is open.

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Speaker 2: Brus