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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nor with you

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Speaker 1: along with Adam Bligh, as we talk about apparitions and demonology.

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Speaker 1: What was it was? It was it God that allowed

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Speaker 1: Satan to do what it does? I mean, why does

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Speaker 1: it exist? Adam? Yeah, So, yeah, that's a great point, George.

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Speaker 1: It's it's an important and fundamental thing that the demons

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Speaker 1: and Satan are only able to do what God allows

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Speaker 1: them to do. They're not running free, they're not little gods,

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Speaker 1: they're none of that. They're just a creature, just like

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Speaker 1: everything else God created. And the answer to why they're

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Speaker 1: allowed to do what they do, which is tempt us,

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Speaker 1: that's their ordinary activity. The reason is it's for our

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Speaker 1: spiritual benefit. So think about it, George. If you never

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Speaker 1: had any challenges in life, if you never had any

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Speaker 1: difficulties to overcome, we would essentially be lazy and immature

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Speaker 1: and just laying back and having somebody feed his scrapes,

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Speaker 1: and there'd be nothing to kind of struggle against in

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Speaker 1: life and to become stronger. And it's through our mistakes

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Speaker 1: that we gain wisdom and so in a sense for

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Speaker 1: our spiritual maturing, for us to become stronger spiritually, we

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Speaker 1: need the resistance of temptation and the activity of the demon.

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Speaker 1: God's not going to tempt us to do evil. He

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Speaker 1: allows these fallen creatures, who also have free will, to

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Speaker 1: do that work. And so yeah, in the end, it's

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Speaker 1: for our benefit, even though you know, yeah, it's not

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Speaker 1: a pleasant thing, as I'm sure you heard from Father Rossetti,

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Speaker 1: because those are the extraordinary activities, the rare and very

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Speaker 1: rare extraordinary stuff. So yeah, he's serving in spite of himself.

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Speaker 1: Is it a test on us? That's one way to

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Speaker 1: look at it. Sure, every temptation is a test. So

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Speaker 1: every time you're tempted to cheat on your exam, or

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Speaker 1: to have an affair, or to steal something, whatever it

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Speaker 1: might be. Sure, in a sense, that's a test, and

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Speaker 1: we either resist or we fall to that. But the

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Speaker 1: central Christian idea is that you pick yourself up, dust

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Speaker 1: yourself off, repent, say you're sorry, and then keep going without,

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of giving up on yourself. Adam, I

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Speaker 1: think pure evil is on the increase in you know,

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Speaker 1: you see it in news reports. But I just have

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Speaker 1: a feeling that strange things are happening. What do you

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Speaker 1: feel about that? And if I'm right, why is that happening? Well,

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Speaker 1: the only data that I really have, George, is from

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Speaker 1: the world that that I kind of live in. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I consult with priests all over the country

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Speaker 1: and to some done all over the world about cases

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Speaker 1: every week, and I can tell you that through the

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Speaker 1: grape vine, I can say very consistently everybody is seeing

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Speaker 1: a dramatic increasing cases. Yes, I knew it. I knew it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: over the last couple years in particular, but certainly over

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Speaker 1: the last five years. Now. You have to be careful

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Speaker 1: because when people are under stress, they're more likely to

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Speaker 1: kind of have you know, their personal problems, maybe emerge

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Speaker 1: a little bit, maybe some struggling with mental illness, who's there.

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Speaker 1: So you've got to be careful with that. But what

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about is the cases where you know, the

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Speaker 1: priests started working on and then it's a legit, real case.

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Speaker 1: And so yes, I would say something, something does seem

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Speaker 1: to be a little different about the time we're living in.

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Speaker 1: Do demons have the opportunity to pick their moment? Let's

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Speaker 1: say somebody's guards are down right and they say, now

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Speaker 1: that was our chance to hit this Do they look

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Speaker 1: for things like that? They do, but remember they need

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Speaker 1: permission to do what they do from God. So yes,

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Speaker 1: they want to strike us when we're at our weakest moment.

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Speaker 1: How they strike us as usually through temptation, but the

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Speaker 1: uglier stuff, that's gosh, George. It seems to be that

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Speaker 1: some people are really of interest to them, and those

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Speaker 1: people when they dabble in black magic or ghost hunting

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Speaker 1: or divination, these violations of the First Commandment, those people

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Speaker 1: they pounce on figuratively, but other people they don't, and

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Speaker 1: we don't necessarily know why. So sometimes during the exorcisms,

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Speaker 1: they'll say, we knew this person had a vocation to

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Speaker 1: the priesthood, or this person had a vocation to the

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Speaker 1: religious life, and we wanted to stop from happening, and

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Speaker 1: so we work very hard to distract them and to

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Speaker 1: get them involved in our world. And so sometimes they'll

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Speaker 1: tell us why this person was picked by them to

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Speaker 1: you know, as a high value target, so to speak.

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Speaker 1: But you know, there's other times where we don't know

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Speaker 1: why they did. But the rules are there from God

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Speaker 1: to keep us safe. They're not there to like make

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Speaker 1: our lives miserable. They're actually there to keep us safe,

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Speaker 1: and part of it is to keep us safe from

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Speaker 1: you know, these creatures and these creatures, and they fascinate

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Speaker 1: me at how they select who they possess or who

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Speaker 1: they go after. Is it the week, No, it's it's

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Speaker 1: not the week. If it was the week, they would

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Speaker 1: just be going after people that are, you know, perhaps

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Speaker 1: mentally troubled or had a brain problem where their will

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Speaker 1: was compromised. Those don't seem to be the people thereafter.

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Speaker 1: They seem to be after the people that God has

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Speaker 1: given graces to do more spiritually in their life. And

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Speaker 1: then also the people that are spiritually very strong. So

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Speaker 1: if you think of Padre Pio, you know everybody's heard

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Speaker 1: that name. Padre Pio famously was brutally beaten and tormented

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Speaker 1: by demons during his life. And you know, this was

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Speaker 1: incredibly devout. He had had visions himself and apparition since

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Speaker 1: his childhood, and yet God allowed the demons to attack

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Speaker 1: him viciously. Now, they never possessed him, but you know

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Speaker 1: other people witnessed the results of physical beatings that he

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Speaker 1: took from them the Cure of ours. John Saint John Biennie,

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Speaker 1: you know, he famously had the devil appear many times

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Speaker 1: and complained to him, set his bed on fire, various

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Speaker 1: other attacks. So it's often the strong that they go

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Speaker 1: after to try to dissuade them, or those that God

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Speaker 1: wants to really use in this life. In the movie

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Speaker 1: The Exorcist, which came out in nineteen seventy three, hard

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Speaker 1: to believe it's forty eight years already, but it was

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Speaker 1: based on William Bladdie's book of the Little Baltimore Boy,

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Speaker 1: a real case that happened in Saint Louis where I

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Speaker 1: am right now, but it was portrayed by Linda Blair.

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Speaker 1: She played the part of Reagan McNeil, generally speaking at him.

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Speaker 1: Who gets possessed more by demons? A male or a female?

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Speaker 1: Will we see more female cases? You do? That's unusual

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Speaker 1: for me? Well, I would say probably two out of three,

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Speaker 1: little more stubborn, and so I think some men just

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Speaker 1: just like sometimes we don't want to go to the

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Speaker 1: doctor or the hospital for medical problems, so that might

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Speaker 1: don't have a real theory on that yet. Have you found,

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Speaker 1: like you said, you go to a weekly exorcism? Do

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Speaker 1: So we do multiple exorcisms every week. You know, we

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Speaker 1: had a number of successful ones on Friday right before

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Speaker 1: of more regionally, I might go there, but I consult

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Speaker 1: a call from a pre saying, hey, we're in the

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Speaker 1: middle of this. This is going on. Any ideas or

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Speaker 1: advice that kind of thing. Is there a common denominator

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Speaker 1: between people who have been possessed by a demon? Is

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Speaker 1: if ten people have been possessed, nine of them have

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Speaker 1: this trait? Yeah, I would say a history of black

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Speaker 1: magic in their own lives or in their family's life.

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Speaker 1: How about wigi board plane that can be there for sure.

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Speaker 1: The worst case I've ever seen was largely from Uiji board.

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Speaker 1: But you know, not just dabbling once with a Parker

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Speaker 1: Brothers toy, but you know many years of serious use, serviceuse. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's interesting. So you do see that common denominator, Oh

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Speaker 1: for sure. You know, like I mentioned, it's about First

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Speaker 1: Commandment violations, and the first commandment is put God first

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Speaker 1: and don't put any other spirits before God. And so

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Speaker 1: when you turn to other spirits for comfort, information, or power,

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Speaker 1: you're breaking the first commandment. You're breaking your friendship with God,

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Speaker 1: and you're starting a friendship with another spirit. And the

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Speaker 1: spirit that's gonna step in and encourage that, you know,

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Speaker 1: mortal sin. Well, it's not going to be a saint

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Speaker 1: and it's not going to be a holy angel. So

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Speaker 1: a case Adam where the exorcist or the priest who's

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Speaker 1: conducting the exorcism was unable to get rid of the

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Speaker 1: demon and then what happens, Well, and this is where

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Speaker 1: you have to separate Hollywood from from the way it

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Speaker 1: really works, right, you know, Hollywood makes it about dramatic

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Speaker 1: five minutes in the movie between the priest and the demon,

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Speaker 1: but real exorcism it's a pastoral process that that's over

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Speaker 1: usually months or years, and it's not just one demon

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Speaker 1: they ask for help, there's generally, you know, dozens or

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Speaker 1: more could be hundreds in the person, and each week

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Speaker 1: to their system psychologically, emotionally. Their identity is so changed

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Speaker 1: We literally have had people say I invited them back

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Speaker 1: because they're winning. And if the person is promoting something

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