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Speaker 1: Class Action is a production of I Heart Radio and

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Speaker 1: Sound Argument. To give you a little background on South

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Speaker 1: Dakota geography, you have what you call about two urban areas.

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Speaker 1: Sioux Falls. You've been the Sioux Falls. That's the big city.

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Speaker 1: It's a small city or a big town, but it's

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Speaker 1: the big urban area of South Dakota. That's where about

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Speaker 1: a quarter of the population is. And then out west

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Speaker 1: you have Rapid City that's about eighty people. I grew

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Speaker 1: up in Rep City, South Dakota. It was nice. It

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Speaker 1: was pretty relaxed. Not a lot went on, so I

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Speaker 1: don't mean to make it sound like it was boring,

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Speaker 1: but it was definitely very yeah, just very relaxed. My

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Speaker 1: dad is the general manager for RDIO Equipment, which is

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Speaker 1: a John Deer dealership, and my mom drives school buses

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Speaker 1: for the Rep City School system. But she's done a

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Speaker 1: ton of stuff throughout her life. I grew up in

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Speaker 1: a family of five, my mom and my dad, and

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Speaker 1: I have an older sister who's thirty and a younger

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Speaker 1: brother who just turned twenty two. I'm the oldest of

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Speaker 1: nine children, so I have eight younger siblings, and I've

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Speaker 1: always had this role model slash lookout for them, and

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Speaker 1: I want to make sure that they're okay in life

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Speaker 1: and that they're doing the right things. So by being

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Speaker 1: a lawyer, I can apply that to other people. I

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Speaker 1: can look out for other people. But the cultural divide

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Speaker 1: in South Dakota is like East River West River. That's

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Speaker 1: more ranching out there to seem more like cowboy hats

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Speaker 1: and that kind of stuff. We're here it's more farming,

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Speaker 1: so it's a little bit different culture. I mean, where

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Speaker 1: I'm from, it's considered one of the big towns. You

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Speaker 1: got about, you know, seven eight towns within that fifteen

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Speaker 1: to twenty thousand, and then every place else is pretty ruled.

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Speaker 1: I'm a listener as opposed to being the first to speak.

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Speaker 1: I think people talk too much sometimes, and I think

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Speaker 1: we miss a lot of stuff and we're talking, so

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Speaker 1: I'd kind of rather listen and take everything in and

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Speaker 1: then then add in an opinion. I'm a first generation lawyer,

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Speaker 1: so no and my family has gone to law school,

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Speaker 1: so this has been a fun kind of new adventure

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Speaker 1: for all of us. I guess I'm also Catholic, and

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Speaker 1: I am really involved in my faith. I think it's

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Speaker 1: important to do that work through the criminal justice system.

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Speaker 1: And also I'm Native American and here in South Dakota

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of issues, especially on the western side

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Speaker 1: of the state, with Native Americans and their treatment over

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Speaker 1: the years and their problems that they struggle with. My

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Speaker 1: parents had to see a bankruptcy lawyer at one point

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Speaker 1: and ultimately saved their house. So that's something that really

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Speaker 1: stuck with me when I was pretty young. So I

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Speaker 1: started working when I was as soon as I can

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Speaker 1: apply for a work license in Iowa. I started off

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Speaker 1: by a detasseling corn. I did that every summer until

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Speaker 1: I was old enough to get an actual job. Then

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Speaker 1: you've got Vermillion here. It's about ten thousand people, but

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Speaker 1: Vermilion it's pretty much just a college town. I think

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Speaker 1: the population doubles when the college gets here. So I

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Speaker 1: went to undergrad at the University of South Dakota. So

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Speaker 1: by the time all of a sudden done, I have

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Speaker 1: and I can't tell you how much I'm dreading leaving Vermillion.

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Speaker 1: It has truly become home. I mean South Dakota culture

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Speaker 1: in general. People are nice, they're reserved. You don't see

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Speaker 1: a ton of characters are big, colorful personalities like you

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Speaker 1: a small state. You're not a round a lot. But

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Speaker 1: I think people have good intentions here. They're good people.

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Speaker 1: I mean, nobody's really going to spin in your face

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Speaker 1: law school. Laura Rose, the feisty University of South Dakota coach,

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Speaker 1: has already uploaded the fact pattern to her entire team.

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Speaker 1: There was a quote that my dad used to use

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Speaker 1: at Stetson when he was running their program. He used

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Speaker 1: to tell people that when I send you out to

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Speaker 1: a competition, I am putting the reputation of my school

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Speaker 1: I will cut your hands off. Now he can get

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Speaker 1: Law school mock trial season it's like a hurricane and

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Speaker 1: it's fast approaching. Here's the deal. I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: cut your hands off, but we're gonna have to talk.

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Speaker 1: Tryouts are over, the team is hand picked. Classes are

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Speaker 1: already in full swing. The law school grind. It's on,

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Speaker 1: to be Midwest night. I love South Dakota, Nicce and

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Speaker 1: it doesn't have a place in a courtroom. We're here

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Speaker 1: to argue. We're here to argue about facts. You are

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Speaker 1: not my friend, you're not my enemy. I don't have

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Speaker 1: to cut your throat precisely most of them. Dozens of

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Speaker 1: schools around the country are preparing for the fall invitational tournaments,

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Speaker 1: were second and third year law students get a chance

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Speaker 1: to compete before the big national competition start in the spring.

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Speaker 1: But I do have to make sure that you're following

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Speaker 1: the rules, and I do have to make sure that

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Speaker 1: I am not in an attempt to be kind and

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Speaker 1: to be polite, actually giving away points of argumentation. I'm

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Speaker 1: Katie Fang, and this is Class Action Episode three, Mob

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Speaker 1: Hits and the H E. B. Tyler. You look confused,

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Speaker 1: what's up? It's eight am, and everyone is working together

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Speaker 1: to build an air tight case. Picture an old fashioned

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Speaker 1: barn raising on the prairie. Only this barn is called

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Speaker 1: together with arguments and legal strategy. Nicky owed two dollars.

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Speaker 1: Nick's a bad guy, he's a drug user, a lot

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Speaker 1: of problems that you can attack his credibility. And then

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Speaker 1: you also got the bartender who's a good witness. He's

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Speaker 1: lost doing a very credible kid, and he was saying

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Speaker 1: Tommy is peaceful. Tommy's a very peaceful guy and he's generous.

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Speaker 1: Oh three, you all made faces when he said the

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Speaker 1: word peaceful. Why did we make faces? Justin? Did you

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Speaker 1: say peaceful in your opening? What have you done? You've

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Speaker 1: opened the door to character evidence, character evidence, but you

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Speaker 1: don't know it because you're a baby too, all right.

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Speaker 1: If you get a criminal fact pack, there is an

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Speaker 1: instinctive desire to start to humanize your client, which you

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Speaker 1: if I say he's peaceful, and if there's any evidence

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Speaker 1: the state attorney the moment. I am giving brain in

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Speaker 1: the moment to get up and go Hey, you just

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Speaker 1: said that you love peace and love. It all happens

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Speaker 1: if you were in the freaking mob. You were you

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Speaker 1: you were doing this right, you were with these people,

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Speaker 1: that's the business he was in. So he's he's not

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Speaker 1: gonna go full wive guy. He's not going to be

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Speaker 1: a made man. He's not going to burn the car

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Speaker 1: to the saint in his hands. Case file Commonwealth versus

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Speaker 1: Santa Suso a mock trial case torn out of the

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Speaker 1: script of a Grizzly mafia murder story. It's a movie

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Speaker 1: plot and one you may be familiar with. I've always

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Speaker 1: wanted to do a mob case and there's not really been,

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Speaker 1: ever been one that's done at any level of mock trial.

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Speaker 1: My name is Philip Pascua alo Um, the trial competition

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Speaker 1: director at the Director University Thomas Arkline School of Law

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Speaker 1: and the tournament director for the Battle of the Experts.

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Speaker 1: So the Battle of the Experts is a national mock

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Speaker 1: trial competition where sixteen law schools compete to be the

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Speaker 1: national champion of the Battle of the Experts. So this

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Speaker 1: Fear's case is loosely based on the plot of good films,

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Speaker 1: change the names of the characters and then their stories

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Speaker 1: is slightly different than what you'd see in the movie.

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Speaker 1: For lots of reasons. I hope not on one we're

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Speaker 1: going to clear there. I think Marty's got bigger things

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Speaker 1: to do and then and then read our case file.

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Speaker 1: But I hope he reads it. That would be excellent.

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Speaker 1: There's a classic scene where the character played by Joe

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Speaker 1: Pesci is insulted in a bar and he and the

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Speaker 1: character played by Radiota killed that person killed. That character.

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Speaker 1: Character's name is Billy Batts. It's still my favorite mob

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Speaker 1: movie for sure. Nothing has come close. My name is Elijnig.

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Speaker 1: I spent fourteen years as a prosecutor, but yes, I

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Speaker 1: spent most of my career in the Southern District of

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Speaker 1: New York indicting, prosecuting, and trying real life New York

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Speaker 1: City mobsters. That is a great murder scenario for a

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Speaker 1: mock trial, because it's not your obvious, premeditated murder that

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Speaker 1: was not supposed to happen. When they're done beating him

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Speaker 1: that's a great scenario because then you have to argue

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Speaker 1: things like intent and premeditation and what degree of murder

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Speaker 1: are we in here? Is it manslaughter? Is it murder?

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Speaker 1: So that's a good scenario because I think there are

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Speaker 1: that would be argued at a real trial. The purpose

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Speaker 1: of mock trial, I think this to get kids interested

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Speaker 1: their future careers. And if what are you gonna do,

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Speaker 1: Try some boring fraud case that's based on tax law

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Speaker 1: an exciting case, Give him something out of a movie,

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Speaker 1: and that will spark their interest. Laura Rose has hand

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Speaker 1: picked four of her top students to argue this case.

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Speaker 1: Santa Suso. What happens is this guy, William Cafierre, we

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Speaker 1: establish his boss presence, and Tommy Santa Suso and Nickpatrick arrived.

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Speaker 1: Everyone knows each other, but Tommy's trying to get out

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Speaker 1: just wants to be respected, because who doesn't want to

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Speaker 1: be Brandon Hodeck and Bill Murray. Not that Bill Murray

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Speaker 1: will prosecute Tommy. When I first read this fact pattern,

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Speaker 1: And then I kept reading it and I realized, maybe

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Speaker 1: the state actually has the better case. And so when

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Speaker 1: Tommy gets mad. They start a brawl, and after this

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Speaker 1: all we really know from there. That's what we know

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Speaker 1: always think of something that completely derails everything that you

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Speaker 1: firing pot shots at the new case as going through it,

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Speaker 1: Does it make sense? Does it make sense with what

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Speaker 1: you read and what questions leading as you're hearing for

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Speaker 1: the first time, Tell me what you're thinking about. So

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Speaker 1: I texted Bailey this as well, But it probably goes

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Speaker 1: both ways. The knife is under the assumption that it's

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Speaker 1: the mother's knife, a knight that she regularly uses, So

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Speaker 1: where's her prince? On the other flip side, though the

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Speaker 1: prosecution say the knife is wiped, there's no prince now

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Speaker 1: because they're trying to cover it up. Yeah, this might

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Speaker 1: three years ago. She didn't just run away from the defendant.

427
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Speaker 1: The defendant killed her. Thank you. This is assistant coach

428
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: Stephen Lopez, your brothers and your poise up there. You're

429
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,959
Speaker 1: not moving around. You're very strong, you're very powerful. Your

430
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: voice feels this entire room, which is awesome. Your theme

431
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:16,719
Speaker 1: that she couldn't escape, right, it's okay, right, it's not plunchy,

432
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: it's not really catchy. But I think the bigger problem

433
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: with it is he didn't really use it. If that's

434
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: your theory and that's your theme, then you've got to

435
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: play that through your whole opening. Great job, right, Sure,

436
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 1: I have seen your days. I could see it because

437
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: you just got criticized pretty heavil and you don't like it.

438
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I I take criticism. Well, it's just like, yeah,

439
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: it's you know, you want to be perfect all the time,

440
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: but it's just not think so. So I want you

441
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 1: to hear something. I sent him a text. What did

442
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: that text say? I didn't My phone is off, sir,

443
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: beat ault. She is a champion in waiting. I see

444
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: in your face where you're feeling failure. I see in

445
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: your face where you're like Damn, I didn't do it right.

446
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: I didn't meet the expectation. It's not good enough yet,

447
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 1: but there's great stuff there. So don't get discouraged when

448
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 1: you get these com heads. We're never going to tell

449
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: you that you're good enough until you're good enough. And

450
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: you know when you're good enough when you bring home

451
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:42,239
Speaker 1: a national championship like he did. When we put your

452
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: trophy in a trophy case. That's when we stopped saying

453
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: things to you. It's like you, you tell me what

454
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: we're gonna do now, all right, that's when you're good enough. Yeah,

455
00:27:53,240 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: so great job, now you can give her. Last week

456
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: was probably my most stressful week so far. More and

457
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: more things to do, and as we get deeper into classes,

458
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 1: it gets a little more time consuming. Also, I was

459
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 1: asked to practice with coach Douer and coach Goss as

460
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: a witness for their Battle of the Experts competition. So

461
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: I was really excited when I got the email. It

462
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,959
Speaker 1: was Aj who emailed me. I was really excited. You know.

463
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: He let me know that this means you know what

464
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: I'm doing well. He also told me, don't let this

465
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: get to your head. You know, this isn't a golden ticketed.

466
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: You know, we're offering you this opportunity contingent on you

467
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: doing well and trial at um and keeping up the work.

468
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: It's definitely been a whirlwind of craziness. I haven't even

469
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: finished my evidence class. Like this is going to be

470
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: very scary. I'm a thrill. I definitely feel a ton

471
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: of pressure because I have experience. I should be better

472
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: in theory, I should be really good, should be able

473
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,959
Speaker 1: to not necessarily carry the team, but at least do

474
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: a really good part. But because of that competitive nature,

475
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: you always feel like you're not there. We had practiced

476
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: yesterday that was a full sort of round, and I

477
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: didn't think I did as well as I should have.

478
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: I messed up some really basic stuff that I know

479
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: better than to do. I missed certain cues for things,

480
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: I missed objections stuff that I shouldn't have screwed up.

481
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: And we have, you know, a couple of weeks to

482
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: three weeks to prepare and hone that in. So it

483
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: it definitely that pressure gets to you, and there's a

484
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: lot more pressure on it because all the leaders of

485
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: the program are on this specific team. So it makes

486
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: you want to be better, but it also it makes

487
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: you really hard on yourself and does take a mental toll,

488
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: which is probably a good thing that law schools competitions

489
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: don't go all year. I have a meeting with my

490
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: counselor later on today. I haven't spoken to her in

491
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: a long time, but and I've had to keep putting

492
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: it off due to how busy I've been. But in general,

493
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: it seems like everybody's noticed everyone's mental health is sort

494
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: of collapsing, far more than it was our one oh year.

495
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: So I think people seem to be just generally worse off.

496
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: And I think it's a mix of the continuing pandemic

497
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: returning to classes knowing that the bar is coming up.

498
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: It's started one o year. Um. I mean, I saw

499
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: counselors periodically and in undergrad dealing with stresses and some

500
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: medical issues that threw me off. So I saw or

501
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: I saw regularly, but since things have gotten worse, decided

502
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: to pick it up a little bit again, just to

503
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: at least have a third party to be able to

504
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: vent to. You know, talking to your friends is great,

505
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: but if your friends are going through the same things

506
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: you are, it does feel kind of weird to complain

507
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: to them because they're not complaining to you. They get it.

508
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: They know where everybody's at their dealing with the same stuff.

509
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,479
Speaker 1: But here you are complaining to them. It's just it

510
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: feels weird, even though they don't mind, it's just doesn't

511
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: feel quite as effective and it's just off. So, Ellie,

512
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: what advice do you have to guard against the burnout

513
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: that does happen in the business. Don't do mock trial.

514
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: I'm only half kidding. Look, when you're on trial, it's

515
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: all consuming, real trial. There's just no way around that.

516
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: It devours your life. I will speak from my experience.

517
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,239
Speaker 1: You ignore your kids. You know, you don't take care

518
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: of yourself in terms of what you eat and you sleep.

519
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: And I think that mock trial, from what I've seen,

520
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: can be similar on these kids and on these students.

521
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: And I don't have an easy solution to that. I

522
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: don't know how they do it. I don't know how

523
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: they do mock trial and also keep up with their

524
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: classes and their social activities and their other activities that

525
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: they're trying to do at school. So God bless them.

526
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: It wasn't for me. You know. If I had to

527
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: give advice, I guess I would just try to say,

528
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: don't let it invade your dreams. Try to put it

529
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: in a box, put it to the side, and keep

530
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: in mind, as as much as it can feel all

531
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: consuming and competitive, it is a mock trial and you

532
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: don't have actual you know, someone's actual liberty at steak

533
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: or the family of a murder victim at stake. So

534
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: take a breath, keep it in perspective. But God bless

535
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: you for doing it. Everything has its season, everything has

536
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: its time. Somewhere there must be footage of a young

537
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: Lord Rose on stage. I can't do anymore in that

538
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,239
Speaker 1: because my voice is gonna bother me too much. From

539
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: the time that I was very small, I loved musical

540
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: theater in particular, and I blame my parents for this,

541
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: because they took me to see Little Shop of Horrors

542
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: when I was two. I fell in love with the

543
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: storytelling element of that particular world. And like when Dad

544
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: was first in the military and when I was younger

545
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: and we would drive everywhere, he would play musical soundtracks,

546
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: and the storytelling aspect of that for me was everything.

547
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: Part of my plan was I wanted to work for

548
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: children's Television Workshop, and so that's where I wanted to be,

549
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: but I knew that if I couldn't make it work

550
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: and I was going to become a financial burden to

551
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: my parents. At that point, I couldn't justify it in

552
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: my own head. I graduated from college in May of

553
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: two thousand nine. I was two years behind when I

554
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: should have been because my mom got sick before I

555
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: went to school. She has MS, and I stayed home

556
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: to help out with the family. With that, I said,

557
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't do it, as much as I

558
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: want to, as much as I would have loved to

559
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: go there, and so it was better to go with

560
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: the practical thing, to have the thing that I knew

561
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: could feed me, and then find a way from my

562
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: creative love to become a part of that. And I

563
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: got really lucky. I got really, really lucky and found

564
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: a way to do it. The reason I was comfortable

565
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: going to law school is I knew that the law

566
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: school that I had chosen was the one that was

567
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: going to make me an advocate, which was me, which

568
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: meant that I was going to get to take my

569
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: talents and all these things that I'd spent time developing

570
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: and use them for the betterment of other people. It's

571
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: just not the way that I thought it would happen.

572
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: I thought I would be in the courtroom trying cases

573
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: all the time, and in reality, I'm much better suited

574
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: to what I'm doing now, which is taking the next

575
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: generation and saying you go to it. If I am

576
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: successful and get tenure here, I could stay here for

577
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 1: the rest of my academic career. If I do that,

578
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 1: I will know at the end of my career that

579
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 1: for thirty plus years, I will have put out every

580
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: single advocate that's come out of University of South Dakota

581
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: Cannuts in school law. So I will know that the

582
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: evidentiary issues in courtrooms across the state are being handled

583
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: in a way that's appropriate. I will know that the

584
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: people who are advocating in courtrooms have been trained this way,

585
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 1: and it's going to change the legal landscape here because

586
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: it's desperately needed. The clock is ticking in Coach Rose

587
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: needs to whip her team into shape for the battle

588
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: of the experts. Good morning, good morning, Good morning, gang,

589
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: and for all of the competitions that are coming in

590
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 1: the fall. Get your coffee, get your caffeine and drink.

591
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: Make sure that you're awake. We will get through today

592
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: as quickly as we possibly can. You all know that

593
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: I'm all about efficiency and making sure that we don't

594
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: waste our time, and I know that you have other

595
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,919
Speaker 1: things that you've got to do. But today what we're

596
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: gonna be covering, we're gonna talk about cross examination, which

597
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: is everybody in this room knows my absolute favorite thing

598
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: that we end up doing in a courtroom, because it's

599
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: when you have the most controled. So are we all

600
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 1: clear about what we're doing this morning? We awake vaguely

601
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: three else, Let's go around the room. What's your favorite

602
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: part about cross examination? Justin The thing I like about

603
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: the most is I feel like I'm in control, and

604
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: no matter how hard they're trying to squirm out of things,

605
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: or if they're trying to be cute with me, it's

606
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: an easy situation to flip that back on them. Matt,

607
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: you've had trial tech. What's your favorite thing about cross

608
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: The power? I like the power behind it. This is

609
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 1: Matt Skinner, a future defense attorney and the team's best sniper.

610
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: Be honest, man, let's go work. Come on, talk about it.

611
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: Why do you like the power? What about that is good?

612
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: I like the power and forever. I've called it the

613
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: oce Ship moment. Like I instead, you just lay these

614
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 1: bread crumbs and eventually it leads to this trap where

615
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: the witnesses like, oh Ship, I'm stuck. Hi, I don't

616
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: know what to do here. Yeah. I like the power

617
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: of having control. Basically you know what's going to happen,

618
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: they don't, and eventually you're going to lead that witness

619
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 1: to do exactly what you want. I think one of

620
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: the most intimidating things that you can't really do on Zoom.

621
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: But they call it working the wells. So like you're

622
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: well as kind of right in from the judge and

623
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: the witness table. Here Coach Rose teaches us how to

624
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: walk your dog in the well and when you have

625
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: an unfriendly witness, when you start kind of cornering them

626
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: on a point, you start walking towards them and you

627
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 1: keep the eye contact, and as you keep asking questions,

628
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 1: you keep taking more and more steps, and once you've

629
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: kind of cracked them a major point, you just turn

630
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: your back to them and walk away. But it's one

631
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: of the most kind of powerful moments that you can

632
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: have in a courtroom. You know, when you go to

633
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: the zoo and you turn your back to like all

634
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: the monkeys, and they get mad like that's kind of

635
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: what walking the dog is like. And hour after hour,

636
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: coach it was puts her team through a crash course

637
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: on trial techniques. So if you get somebody on the

638
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: stand who says, well, Sally told me that Billy Bob

639
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: told her objection your honor, hearsay within hearsay, may we

640
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: approach all in the service of building a stronger case

641
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: for the Battle of the experts competition. You're on her

642
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,919
Speaker 1: under federals of evidence in the process knocking the South

643
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: Dakota nice out of her young lawyers on the team.

644
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: Why is it unfairly prejudicial? Why is that the case?

645
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: Explain it? Draw it for me in crayons if you

646
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: freaking have to, But explain it. If it's egregious, if

647
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:41,439
Speaker 1: it touches upon a fundamental right, in particular, if we're

648
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: in Battle of the experts and justin hears them say that,

649
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: the defendant for sure is going to say something. He's

650
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: gonna be up off of his chair having a heart attack,

651
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: but he's going to make the objection to make sure

652
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: that it's on the record. Because fundamental rights, constitutional issues,

653
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: things that could get people into prison if we were

654
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: in real life. You gotta be mad about that, and

655
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: you got to be big man. You've got to say

656
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: that it's wrong, and you've got to call it out

657
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: for being wrong. When I was getting ready to do

658
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: my first ever jury address as a prosecutor, I asked

659
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: my supervisor, who had been doing it for a decade plus,

660
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: I said, this is a stupid question, but what am

661
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: I supposed to be tomorrow when I give this opening?

662
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: And he said, what do you mean? I said, I

663
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: don't know, Like, what's the vibe? What am I trying

664
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: to do? My trying to be tough guy or cool

665
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: or what? And he said, Look, as the prosecutor, your

666
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: job is two things. To be clear and credible, and

667
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: that's it. Leave the dramatics to the defense lawyer. Leave

668
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: the pounding of the podium and the clever stories to

669
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: the defense lawyer. That's not for you. Your job is

670
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: a stand up in front of that jury to be

671
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: clear they understand what your case is about. And to

672
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: be credible. They believe you, they believe our evidence. That's it.

673
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: I was once told a friend of mine said, I

674
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: figured out your style. I said, okay, what is it?

675
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: He said, your Jersey conversational. I'm from New Jersey. And

676
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: I said, oh, I don't know that he meant it

677
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 1: as a compliment. I think he meant it like I'm

678
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: not super intellectual. But I said, perfect, that's great. That's

679
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: what I want to be. Part of the beauty of

680
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: our jury system is. I think people tend to think

681
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 1: our jury system is mechanical or mathematical, but in fact,

682
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: every judge instructs every jury use your common sense, use

683
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: your good everyday common sense that you use every day

684
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 1: out there, and and it can really resonate with the

685
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: jury and you say, why would this defendant take this action? Look,

686
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: you all know, you're all human beings. You've all been

687
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: in scenarios where someone has insulted you. You know how

688
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: that maybe made you feel that you didn't act on it,

689
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 1: but he did. You know, you can use common sense

690
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: type arguments like that, and it's part of the beauty

691
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: of our jury system, and it can be quite effective

692
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: in advocacy. Back in San Antonio, the team piles into

693
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: Andy's car. They're not searching for facts, They're hunting down

694
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,959
Speaker 1: snacks brain food for a tournament that will stretch over

695
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: three marathon days. Yeah, my grandmother calls it cheap, cheap,

696
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: it's better than and calls it him. Okay, it's so focused.

697
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: We need energy drinks. I probably want to try about Okay,

698
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: we need them for tomorrow because we're not gonna have

699
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: time to kind of energy drink. I gotta probably get

700
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: like the double shot espressos from Starbucks, like like like

701
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: like a pack of them. We also need like snatter

702
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: because we need Yeah, we need water bottles. We need

703
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 1: to haul all the water when I go home. This

704
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: is what I missed the most, ya for sure. Okay,

705
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: so Jasmine wants I want the little I do the

706
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: double shot ones or I mean their triple shot but

707
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: I'll be bouncing off the freaking walls and that you

708
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: just get me alive by one out year. Yeah, the

709
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: triple shot ones. There you go, all right, I think

710
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,919
Speaker 1: I got snacks, We got drinks ready to go. Yeah,

711
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: you want to get your opening right now? What here

712
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: in everybody do it? You can do anywhere, You can

713
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: do it anywhere else on our way to get over

714
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: your fears. Then just stay in the day. You can

715
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: get it for something to get to be true or not. Yeah,

716
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: I don't need a compa no, like like you want

717
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: me to do an hour or not? I want used

718
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: to do it at the hotel top and get animated.

719
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a rant on all the things and be like,

720
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: get Mike, I didn't even that it was my car.

721
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: Come on, coach, Jason Goss is waiting at the hotel.

722
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: So the way, the way that it was described in

723
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: the coaches meeting is not if you plan to use

724
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: any character evidence of Tommy, if you plan to use

725
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: any character evidence at all for any witness my entire

726
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: nae Patrick Across right. Well, so you know the idea

727
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: is and what they were talking. So Jason, how do

728
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: you help these students just get over their nerves? You

729
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: know what I always tell them is you're gonna You're

730
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 1: gonna have it like it just it's there, Like I

731
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 1: used to throw up for these things, always did, and

732
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: I don't now. But I'll tell you what I mean.

733
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:45,439
Speaker 1: I tried a hundred fifty cases and I will still

734
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: feel so nervous every time I do an opening or

735
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: every time I do across examination. So you know, I

736
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: don't really know how to tell them because it's kind

737
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: of how they do it. I'll tell you that. Tomorrow

738
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: the first round, we are going against University of Chicago, Kent.

739
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: So those are your advocates, those are your witnesses. You

740
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: can't get noticed any My coach before me, that was

741
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: coaching this team before me, and I remember telling there like,

742
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: these kids are, they're not ready. They don't know what

743
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: they're doing, you know, like she said, it's it's weird.

744
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: But right when the competition starts, like whatever, it is,

745
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: all that stuff you told them, it just kicks in

746
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 1: and then they just go and they do it. Tomorrow,

747
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 1: they're gonna amaze and astonished. They're gonna be great because

748
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,919
Speaker 1: they're gonna take those nerves or whatever, and they're gonna

749
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: be on stage and they're gonna be ready to go

750
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: and they're going to deliver her. Like any collegiate athlete,

751
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: these law students have something to prove on the field

752
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: of play. The battle starts in one day, and on

753
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: top of all of the legal strategy, there's another major

754
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: stress factor. These trials are held on zoom and this year,

755
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: the second year of the pandemic, stakes are higher for

756
00:43:55,480 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: mastering the technology. Yeah, last year it was old webcams,

757
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 1: bad internet bedrooms, and here we've got like really nice cameras.

758
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: This is Bill Murray from South Dakota. You're on in

759
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: a moment to situate myself in the well of the courtroom.

760
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: So this is us right now present, and we go

761
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: to screen share. Already got anything that publish mission published,

762
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: and we I think they need to click through it

763
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: instead of waiting. We've got some whiting. We're going to

764
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: be in the courtroom. It's almost set up for the competition,

765
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: so I think the school has had some more time

766
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 1: to prepare for it. You know, there's been a whole

767
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: year of zoom trials, so they've had time to think

768
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: about it and the best way to go forward? Can

769
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: we run through the motions once of like where we

770
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: would be motion and lemon a and then I just

771
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: don't like how switch it out? Well, let's let's run

772
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: it quick. Grady, do you want to go in there

773
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 1: with this laptop? And then Rose you're presiding. So now

774
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: all of our teams will be using this set up

775
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: for all the competitions and hopefully we're back in person

776
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: next spring, but if not, we've got a very nice

777
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: setup going forward. Okay, so I'll be given the motion

778
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: and lemonade. So I'm gonna be giving it from the

779
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: Williams in the room, granted obviously, so state ready to proceed,

780
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: permission to prepare the well, your honor, thank you, your honor,

781
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: nothing further, and then turn off my camera. Maybe I

782
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: would unplug this and I'll do my direct they'll do

783
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: their cross. I'll be seated here. This video quality right

784
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: this video quality right here not the same as the

785
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: video quality that we haven't here. That's gonna be too

786
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: much of a difference. But if we have a setup

787
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: in Yere so that we have that quality camera and

788
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: here I'm mine and I will stop my bidge, it's

789
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: equally as tense inside that hotel room in San Antonio. Okay,

790
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: So right now we're setting up the witness rooms. So

791
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: we have to set up the backdrops and the cameras

792
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 1: and the microphones in the rooms of the team members

793
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: who will be witnessing in this competition. Every little detail matters,

794
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 1: the lights, the cameras, the backdrops, even the makeup and

795
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 1: hand movements. If you can see it on zoom, chances

796
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: are you're going to be judged on it. So John

797
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 1: has built this like contraption that's gonna hold up the

798
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: back drops that another one of our classmates made. It's

799
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: supposed to look like wood. It's like a wooden back drop.

800
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 1: It has the skills of justice in the middle of

801
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,959
Speaker 1: a little circle. Um, how would you describe it, John,

802
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: So it's a piece of vinyl that's wrapped around a

803
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 1: frame built of pbc uh imprinted on. There is wood

804
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: paneling with the scales of justice kind of like superimposed

805
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: on it, kind of like you would see in the

806
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 1: wood paneling in the back of like a courtroom or

807
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: like an office space. I just gonna get all these

808
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: sprinkles out, so it's gonna be behind the advocate and

809
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 1: so the advocate if the advocates right here, I'm gonna

810
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: hang or put the ring light up, which I can

811
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: do actually behind you see what I'm saying, because that

812
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: ring light also has a spot on it before the

813
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: camber to screw. And we went through our defense case

814
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: opening of defense, our crosses than we did our direct examinations,

815
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: and Andy closed on defense and kind of got some

816
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 1: more stylistic feedback Like for my any Coach Stewart told

817
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: me that I can bring it up a notch and

818
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 1: my energy maybe like sound a little more powerful, and

819
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: also she wants me to move around more. I have

820
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 1: to do less because it's like stop doing this with

821
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: your hands. I was like, I just want to emphasize

822
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 1: it's like teetering on jazz hands because I'm like, there's this,

823
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 1: there's that, like there's like explosions coming out of your hands,

824
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: and then this is just like you're thinking, we have

825
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: a thought. You're think it's like you're pulling like a

826
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 1: like a little band between your hands, like you're exercising

827
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: your forearms or something. We've got a feedback, Like one

828
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: of the judges commented on a girl's eyelashes and her hair.

829
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: You have to be like very very natural, natural makeup.

830
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:49,720
Speaker 1: That's what they want for sure. Hair tucked back because

831
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: last year my coach she was like you have gray hair,

832
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: which is true, thank you um, but he was like,

833
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: you need to like move it from your face. You

834
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: don't need to have it blocking your your face because

835
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:04,720
Speaker 1: it's just tracting and natural makeup. No heavy eyes, shadows, nails,

836
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: need to be professional, nude, nothing crazy with the clothes,

837
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: just like blue or black suits and then like a

838
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: white top. They had to prove like our outfit. They

839
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: even approved our other advocates tie. He's had to send

840
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: his thie colors because you can't have something too distracting

841
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: because they know, like the judges will be like, I

842
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: hate that Tie, I hate you, Like it's over for us.

843
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: So we got we're not going to sleep tonight. Um

844
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: texting my nail guy because he's like, next, we're all

845
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: right here. I love this man. I do the only

846
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: thing left to do in South Dakota. I am a

847
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: bundle of nerves. Besides the usual panicking is to fuel

848
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: up for the brutal days that law ahead. I'm feeling

849
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: pretty good. I think we're ready to go. I'm ready

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Speaker 1: for some pasta tonight and then then we're ready to roll.

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Speaker 1: It's LaCOSA noodles like La Cosa Nostra. Rose makes this

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Speaker 1: like infamous pasta sauce and you can like smell it

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Speaker 1: through the school whenever she she brings it. So she

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Speaker 1: made that sauce for a team dinner tonight before competition,

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Speaker 1: and Bill calls them look coastra and noodles. I make

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Speaker 1: comematee spaghetti sauce. It's one of my ways of decompressing

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Speaker 1: and de stressing and I was also couring and blanching

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Speaker 1: a hundred and seventy nine pounds worth it tomatoes, and

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Speaker 1: so I have fast tracked some of that to make

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Speaker 1: homemade spaghetti sauce. We're gonna have a spaghetti dinner because

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Speaker 1: it just felt appropriate. With the fact matter. It's kind

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Speaker 1: of an insane time. Everything gets a little discombobulated. Everything

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Speaker 1: is a little stressful, everything is a little bit heightened.

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Speaker 1: But it's also a lot of fun. But what I'm

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Speaker 1: most looking forward to is regardless of if it's Bill

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Speaker 1: or Bailey, whichever one of them first gets to say

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Speaker 1: you're on, or a moment to prepare the well and

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Speaker 1: get up and stand and be in a poort room

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Speaker 1: and make an argument in front of people. That's what

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to. I think it's a ton of

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Speaker 1: fun just doing all of our run throughs with the team.

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Speaker 1: I've never competed, but it's fun watching a case come together,

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Speaker 1: and then it's fun listening to what someone else has

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Speaker 1: done and then flipping it on them. I mean, it

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Speaker 1: sounds a little like mean, but it's fun to just

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Speaker 1: tear something apart. I'm aunt, and here's why I'm aunt. Guys,

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Speaker 1: you're ready. You're absolutely ready for this. There is nobody

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Speaker 1: who's going to be able to know this fact pattern

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Speaker 1: as thoroughly as you know this fat pattern. There is

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Speaker 1: nobody who has come back and to put in the

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Speaker 1: amount of hours outside of typical practice time that you

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Speaker 1: guys have. Rely on that and rely on your knowledge.

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Speaker 1: You guys are ready to go. They'll let the bells

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Speaker 1: and whistles worry. We're about to screw some people over

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Speaker 1: big time, and I cannot wait to watch what happens.

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Speaker 1: That's next time. Class Action. Class Action is a production

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