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Speaker 1: w Welcome back to another edition up the Around the

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Speaker 1: NFL Podcast, presented by Head and Shoulders. My name is

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Speaker 1: Dan Hansis, and I'm joined by room filled with heroes,

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Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, Christ Westling and Greg Rosatal. What's up, boys,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what a lot

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Speaker 1: of football To'll talk about today, some good football, some

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Speaker 1: bad football, some man football. But Thursday night, Greg and

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Speaker 1: I are in the studio and we're talking about how

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Speaker 1: great the Steelers looked and how all right for me anyway,

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Speaker 1: I was like, I'm getting a little juiced up now

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Speaker 1: about this idea that the a f C has a real,

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Speaker 1: then Sunday today happens, and yeah, the Steelers are not

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Speaker 1: know the this is on your radar, Mark more than ever. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It is really a two team race in the a

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Speaker 1: f C right now. Stop hoping. It's it's exhausting to

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Speaker 1: keep wanting this conference to be something that it's not.

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Speaker 1: It's if it's a one year thing, that's fine, but

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Speaker 1: it is this week thing where we we try to

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Speaker 1: spin mediocrity into something special to observe as a football

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Speaker 1: it is at best, it's a two team AFC at best.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of spinning, just wait until next week when Greg's

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Speaker 1: consecutive week stretch of trying to spin the Patriots opponent reaches.

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Speaker 1: It's when they the Dolphins always playing the Patriots toff

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Speaker 1: that's coming up. I said this week, I thought they'd

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Speaker 1: right now. Thirteen teams are four and six are better.

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Speaker 1: So like the entire conference is basically alive at four

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Speaker 1: I think selling the I think it's telling the Steelers

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Speaker 1: The team's eight and two and has more talent those

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Speaker 1: being You've been a little to me overly generous of

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Speaker 1: But to Mark's point, it's gonna be hard to really

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Speaker 1: wrong because we're wrong all the time. Uh, That's that's

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Speaker 1: just the way it works. That's what it's like being

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Speaker 1: a member of the football cognoscenti. And then if you

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Speaker 1: you know you didn't need to do it because Blake

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Speaker 1: Portles was gonna win the one. So I simply don't

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Speaker 1: you what else we're that we're dealing with some technical

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Speaker 1: the game that was the marquee game on paper between

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Speaker 1: And a couple of the touchdowns today where he's going

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Speaker 1: to his second or third read, where he's scanning all

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Speaker 1: across the field, where he's got he's starting left, and

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Speaker 1: then at the last second he goes to his right.

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Speaker 1: It's just crazy how he can see the entire defense

434
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 1: and knows what's gonna happen before it happens. And him

435
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Speaker 1: having a big day against the Raiders, who might be

436
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Speaker 1: the worst defensive league was about as predictable as the

437
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Speaker 1: NFL gets. Can we put to bed the most tired

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Speaker 1: storyline in this entire season, which is every game including today,

439
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: the announcer talking about the yardage spilled against New England's defense.

440
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 1: They haven't allowed seventeen plus points since Week four. It

441
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,119
Speaker 1: is an exhausting narrative. Their defense is back on track

442
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 1: enough concern over that it's absolutely on track and holding

443
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 1: the Raiders down like this, uh is a great sign.

444
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 1: I mean they and they don't have like I don't

445
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: know what we're gonna learn about the Patriots. That doesn't

446
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 1: mean every game is gonna beat this easy, but other

447
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: than the week fifteen game at Pittsburgh, they don't. They've

448
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 1: had They've got a lot of luck in terms of

449
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Speaker 1: the schedule lately. You thought I was kidding Dan when

450
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 1: you were talking about gradual decline, and I said he

451
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: was just hitting his prime. Yeah, he was just hitting you.

452
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Speaker 1: Hear quarterbacks talk about if only I could keep my

453
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Speaker 1: physical skills when mentally I was on top of my game.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what he's done. He's kept all of his

455
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Speaker 1: physical skills. He did it five years ago, but since

456
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Speaker 1: then he's recaptured them to his hard working credit and

457
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Speaker 1: mentally well, hold on, So what does it say about

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Speaker 1: our society that all anyone does is make fun of

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady for his regime, his diet X Y and

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Speaker 1: Z film the blank. He it's it's a he's a

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Speaker 1: laughing stock on the level because of it. People point

462
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: fun of it, but then he's actually doing it in

463
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Speaker 1: the field. Well, the answer to the question is it's

464
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Speaker 1: not just everyone. You have to respect that what he's

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Speaker 1: been able to do with his own body. But he's

466
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Speaker 1: trying to turn himself into an empire. And then some

467
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Speaker 1: people will point out people dismiss people, dismiss has diet entirely.

468
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Speaker 1: You know, people that go after Tom Brady go after

469
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Speaker 1: him more. I think because he's trying to sell people

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Speaker 1: on a lifestyle that's probably not attainable for the average joe,

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Speaker 1: what he can do and the what he has access to.

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Speaker 1: And then some of the claims that his trainer makes

473
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Speaker 1: about different like what watered in taking some of that

474
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Speaker 1: stuff smells like maybe a bit of a sky. I

475
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Speaker 1: agree with some of it, but I'll say this, I

476
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Speaker 1: don't know if a scam, I wouldn't use the word scam,

477
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Speaker 1: but I would say this, there are at least thirty

478
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Speaker 1: one other NFL quarterbacks with the means to give it

479
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Speaker 1: a shot. Yeah, and I think a lot of them.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's all across sports. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Lebron James is basically the Tom Brady of NBA at

482
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Speaker 1: this point, and I think sport you know, that's part

483
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Speaker 1: of sports science, and that's amazing. And the fact that

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Speaker 1: the biggest edition, not only with the nutrition, is that

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Speaker 1: he has Bill Belichick on his side. I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: got Bill Belichick, who's now undefeated against Jack del Rio

487
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Speaker 1: going up against Ken Norton. He's got Josh McDaniels, he's

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Speaker 1: got a system that he's been in. I mean, there's

489
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Speaker 1: a million different things going right. And then I'm a

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Speaker 1: Raiders fan. I'm watching that game and I think, like,

491
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Speaker 1: this is not a well coached team. No team struggles

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Speaker 1: to get the snap off more than the Raiders week

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Speaker 1: after week. It's like they either take delays the games,

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Speaker 1: or they have to call time outs, or they're struggling

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Speaker 1: to get snaps off, or there's miscommunications in the backfield.

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Speaker 1: It's not a well coached team. I think they are

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Speaker 1: now the leader for me, and the biggest disappointment of

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Speaker 1: the season that the rate they weren't even competitive in

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Speaker 1: a very important game for them today, and they've just

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00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 1: been a bad team basically since Week three and zero identities.

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00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: They were supposed to be a super Bowl contender this year.

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Speaker 1: In my mind, they haven't been in the wild card

503
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Speaker 1: race for a few few weeks. And it's because of

504
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: what you said. They're not a good team. So I

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Speaker 1: don't care what their record is. You can watch them

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Speaker 1: play and they've got one of the worst secondaries we've

507
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Speaker 1: seen and instead of the offense making up for that,

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Speaker 1: the offense has gotten much worse. So I just watched

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Speaker 1: and play and I don't worry about them in the wild.

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Speaker 1: By the way, get ready for a month full of

511
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Speaker 1: US propping up. This week fifteen Steelers Patriots game, New

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Speaker 1: England wins by twenty the Raiders. The Raiders got the

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Speaker 1: running game going today, but the receivers have have killed

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Speaker 1: them week after week. Before we move on, I do

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Speaker 1: want to give a little shout out to our listeners

516
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Speaker 1: in Mexico who showed up strong at a Stadio Secca.

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Speaker 1: The atmosphere there was incredible and the energy. I wish

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Speaker 1: they had gotten a better game when the when the

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Speaker 1: two teams came out and they showed some footage of

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Speaker 1: this for the pregame introduction, this long, crazy walk down

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Speaker 1: because the locker room is so far and it's elevated

522
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Speaker 1: that the crowd was going wild. I mean it was

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Speaker 1: during the pregame too. It was like an unbelievable performance,

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Speaker 1: mostly by Raiders fan but a lot of Patriots fans.

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Speaker 1: How is how is Tony Romo in a vast blowout

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00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: that they were fun him and him and nancw for

527
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: everybody was bored. They we're watching the game if you're

528
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,199
Speaker 1: calling the games. Two vastly different critiques. Romo was good, though,

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Speaker 1: I mean they did fist at his desk. Loose Cannon

530
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: was sending out a bunch of tweets. Dan is now

531
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,719
Speaker 1: more disappointed when the Patriots lose than when I mean

532
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: when the Patriots whin than when the Jets lose. I mean,

533
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: how many Loose Cannon gifts of what's her name is

534
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: drinking a gigantic glass of wine. I like that, that's

535
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: like her own meme. Now you know what I want, No,

536
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: you know what I want, Greig. If the Patriots are

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00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: going to be involved with high profile games, give me

538
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 1: something that's fun to watch, because great nothing is not

539
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 1: fun to I mean, greatness should be fun on some level.

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00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's only you better learn to appreciate him now.

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Speaker 1: They also announced they're staying there till they're coming back

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Speaker 1: every year. Game nice um. Last word from Rob Gronkowski.

543
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: It was just a fiesta all over the field. Man

544
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: snapped Peterman Fade's back and he slings to the form

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Speaker 1: offt and accepted a bunch m Williams. He brings us

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Speaker 1: up the fort he gets knocked down there. That's five

547
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Speaker 1: interceptions for Nathan Peterman and the Chargers half their defense

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Speaker 1: to the end zone. Anybody know that voice? That is

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Speaker 1: Matt money Smith, the voice raised by this podcast from

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00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: a see yes, the voice of the Chargers, and that

551
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:27,199
Speaker 1: money Smith. Nate Peterman through five interceptions in the first

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Speaker 1: half of his first ever career start, oh my goodness

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00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: motto and a career beginning apocalypse that prompted an awkward

554
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Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor relief appearance as the Chargers laughed their way

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Speaker 1: to a fifty four to win over the Bills at

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00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: the stub mark, the Chargers are pretty damn good? Uh

557
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: five and six or the four and six or and six.

558
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: The Bills meanwhile, embarrassed themselves up and down the food

559
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: chain over the last five days, culminating with Sunday's meltdown.

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00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: Lot of finger pointing to go around in Western New

561
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Speaker 1: York after this one. It starts with Peterman. If you

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Speaker 1: want to talk about on the field, the first pick

563
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: bounced off the hands of his full back, and I

564
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: went back and I missed that and went I want

565
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Speaker 1: to make sure it's his fault that wasn't. The next

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Speaker 1: four were. They were awful throws. And this guy, what

567
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Speaker 1: are you asking a rookie to do to come in

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Speaker 1: cold like this. He's not seeing the field and you're

569
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Speaker 1: dealing with Joey Bosa all over you. I mean, the

570
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,479
Speaker 1: first three interceptions had Joey Bosa's fingerprints all over them,

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Speaker 1: even though they weren't officially sacks. He's in the there

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Speaker 1: was no pocket for Peterman to throw from. That said,

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Speaker 1: the real finger pointing is a team that totally panicked

574
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Speaker 1: to the reverse of what we talked about with Minnesota.

575
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Speaker 1: You for some reason where no one's calling Tyrod Taylor

576
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Speaker 1: a top five talent, but you flipped the switch. You

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Speaker 1: put in Peterman with the season still, we still have

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Speaker 1: a winning record, You're five and four everything. Now you

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Speaker 1: have a lot of explaining to do. If you're Sean

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00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: mcdern in a Coach of the Year candidate weeks ago

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Speaker 1: to your locker room, you have to explain to them

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Speaker 1: why this looked like a good decision to you, and

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Speaker 1: the fall out I think could be pretty fierce. McDermot

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Speaker 1: he was asked about the meltdown by his rookie quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Here's what he had to set well, it wasn't what

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Speaker 1: he had hoped for or or we had hoped for. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know he at the same time, I you know

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Speaker 1: when you when you put a young player out there,

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Speaker 1: a young quarterback, that there's gonna be some ups and downs,

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Speaker 1: and this is part of it. You know, it's a

591
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Speaker 1: lot of It's very easy West to be an armchair

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00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: uh coach or whatever and be like, well, it didn't

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Speaker 1: make sense, uh to put this fifth round rookie on

594
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Speaker 1: the road against the fearsome pass rush like the Chargers.

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00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: But in this case that was exactly the truth, and

596
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: everybody else could see it. How did the Bills and

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00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: not see that this? Nobody thought it could go this bad,

598
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: but they left themselves wide open and hurt the kid

599
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Speaker 1: in the process. Well, you know that coaching staffs are

600
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Speaker 1: taking a ton of time and watching all the film,

601
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: and these are informed decisions. And it's understandable that you

602
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Speaker 1: had reached the conclusion that Tyrod Taylor is not your

603
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Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. Totally understandable. What's not understandable to me is

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Speaker 1: that you would prime your rookie quarterback and put him

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Speaker 1: into this first career game on the road against the

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Speaker 1: best pass rushing tandem in the NFL. To me, that

607
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Speaker 1: was I I think it's okay to say, okay, Tyrod

608
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Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor is not the answer, but the time even

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00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: of the move was headscratched. Well right, and this isn't

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson, It's a fifth round pick. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: a reason why Tyrod Taylor is making sixteen million dollars,

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Speaker 1: why Andy Dalton's making that much, why brock Oswiler got overpaid,

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00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: because average starting quarterbacks is worth a lot. Because the

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Speaker 1: difference between average, which is Tyrod Taylor and just kind

615
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: of like a rookie starting his first game or a

616
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: replacement level is a massive difference. Well, I think that's

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Speaker 1: why you see teams when they give up on a season.

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00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: It usually happens in mid December, not mid November, especially

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Speaker 1: when they're by records, still in the race. Now, quarterback

620
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: is not the only problem with this team. They're very

621
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Speaker 1: much in the race. I mean, they're they're tied in

622
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Speaker 1: the same way the Raiders are in the team. I

623
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Speaker 1: would think they'd bring back Tyrode next week. He would

624
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Speaker 1: not answer that question after the game. I don't know

625
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Speaker 1: how you don't you're not that you're the Chiefs next week.

626
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Speaker 1: By the week on the road in Kansas City, you're

627
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Speaker 1: gonna do the same thing again. He wouldn't He wouldn't answer.

628
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Speaker 1: He said he would consider Peterman, but he had to watch.

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Speaker 1: It's a tricky spot because, well, you've put yourself in

630
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Speaker 1: this position, But Nathan Peterman, if you like him, you

631
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Speaker 1: want to give him another chance to to wash the

632
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Speaker 1: taste out of his mouth of this game. But at

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Speaker 1: the same time, yeah, you are five and five still

634
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Speaker 1: and still in the playoff mix. I mean, they shot

635
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: themselves on the foot. And again, if you're a Bills fan,

636
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: it's got to be so frustrating because three weeks ago

637
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: everything was great and and now you're kind of a

638
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: laughing stock. And this is a humiliating performance. The Chargers

639
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: had about three hundred yards with twelve minutes left in

640
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Speaker 1: the third quarter. So this Bill's defense, which is Sean

641
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: McDermott's defense and got a lot of love, has collapsed

642
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: as much as the offense, if not more. They weren't

643
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Speaker 1: gonna win this game no matter what because of the quarterback,

644
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: but the defense is not playing to a level that

645
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: they're gonna go anywhere, win any games anywhere, because you

646
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: can talk early that the short field killed the Bills

647
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: over and over on defense, but it's the it's the

648
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: ground game in the weeks two weeks previous to this

649
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: that let them down. It happened through the air. Today.

650
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: I think Rivers played one of his best games. Had

651
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: a lot to do with Buffalo's defense, though the Bill's

652
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: defense has allowed more points in the last two weeks

653
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: than the Jaguars have allowed in the last eight weeks.

654
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: Chargers not dead yet. They're the one, four and six

655
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: team where you're like, they should probably know, but we

656
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: can say that about all these a FC teams from

657
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: now until the Chargers. Chargers are actually a pretty decent

658
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: Chargers in the Ravens are the ones. The two ones

659
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: we said on this podcast last week. We're like, well,

660
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: those teams actually are okay, right, they can beat bad teams.

661
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: Here's the problem, and you guys are right, I agree

662
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: with you. But they're the Chargers and what they're gonna

663
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: do is blow another couple of games. That's gonna kill

664
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Speaker 1: them because they do it. That's what the Chargers do.

665
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: I hope not, because at least they can be frisky

666
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: when they get hot like they did today. But yeah,

667
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: the Bills, to West's point, have given up a hundred

668
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: and thirty five points in the last three games. That's

669
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: a team record. And in heartless Rota World headline news

670
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Speaker 1: Peterman wets bed and first start with five I N

671
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Speaker 1: T s. That's pretty rough? Are they wrong? They're not

672
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: wrong at all. You won't find that headline on NFL

673
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: dot com. That would not be allowed out of the gate.

674
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a picture I believe is Mike Daniels

675
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: number seventy six for the Packers, whoever, whoever seventy six

676
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: there there's a picture of him circulating around. He literally

677
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: wet his pants today on the field. Some surprise. That

678
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: doesn't happen war in the I think it does. But

679
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,240
Speaker 1: they were wearing those like baize sort of Packers color.

680
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: He's a tan on the piece game. Yeah. Yeah, I

681
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: have a three year old and a one year old boy,

682
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: so I'm so used to men wedding themselves now it's

683
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: not even a big deal. Final find age five, final

684
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 1: final note. But for me on this game, Kelvin Benjamin,

685
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: do you think he misses the Panthers oh and three?

686
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: Since he got traded there and he jacked up his

687
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,439
Speaker 1: knee on his first and only catch of the day.

688
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: What a nightmare it's been for that guy. Let's move on.

689
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: Humble takes the snap and rolls to his left, not

690
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 1: it was right, sets up in wobbles one to the

691
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: and it's intercepted again. Eric Weddell intercepted it. That's two

692
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Speaker 1: possessions and two interceptions for Brett Huntley, Jerry Sandusky w

693
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Speaker 1: b A L with the call. The Ravens D Yeah,

694
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Speaker 1: they're the real deal. Baltimore forced five Packers turnovers a

695
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: twenty three zero win. I stumbled over that because sometimes

696
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: I think real broadcasters don't like to say nothing. And

697
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: I just said I was trying to be a pro

698
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: there and I said zero, and that didn't feel right.

699
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: That didn't feel right at all. I think you can

700
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: say nothing. I think nothing's cool. That's win over the

701
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: Packers at lambeau Field. We now welcome and Nick Shook,

702
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: who is looking refreshed after a podcast by in week ten.

703
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: Although we know he wasn't resting. He's getting his pump

704
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: out Chuck, Like I said, Hey, Chuck, how are you fantastic?

705
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: I'm playing a little hurt today, But you're a warrior, um,

706
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: and we we are not going to hold it against

707
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: you that you're wearing a Rich Eysen podcast well long

708
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: sleeve T shirt right now. This was a freebe and

709
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 1: I have yet to receive a freebee from the around

710
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 1: the NFL. That's a fair retort. Fair retort. Anyway. Five

711
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: turnovers to the Ravens. That is their third shut out

712
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: of the season, and they suddenly have the look of

713
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: a team that could could be and maybe should be

714
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: playing in January, especially again in this conference. You want

715
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: to put a lot of this on Brett Hunley, and

716
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: you can because he's not a good quarterback. But Baltimore's

717
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: defense brought so much pressure in this game that he

718
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: was he was fighting uphill battle almost from the word

719
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: go um, you know, every time it seemed he dropped

720
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: back either he was getting rushed from the middle, he

721
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: was getting rushed from around the edge. Darrell Suggs had

722
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: a great day, Matt Judon had a great day. They

723
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: forced a lot of turnovers. Hunley had three himself, two

724
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 1: interceptions in one strip, sack for a fumble, and the

725
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: Packers couldn't get going for a lot of this game.

726
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: It was Hey, one team gets in the red zone,

727
00:36:58,239 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: turns the ball over. The other team gets in the

728
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: red zone, turns the ball over, goes back and forth,

729
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: back and forth. But eventually Baltimore was able to capitalize

730
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: enough to pitch the shut out and come away with

731
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 1: a three score win. West. Do you think this is you?

732
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: When Huny entered the lineup, you said, the Packers no

733
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: reason to panic. They've been building this guy up. This

734
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: has to be seen for that organization is a failure.

735
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: That that bred Hundley has come in and kind of

736
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: shipwrecked their season. It doesn't seem like they have a

737
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: chance with him right now. Yeah. I think the day

738
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Speaker 1: that Aaron Rodgers got hurt, I came on this podcast

739
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 1: and said, you'll see that the talent on the Packers

740
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: offense isn't that good. They're just not that good. The

741
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: offensive line been banged up, oh year, they don't have

742
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: speedy wide receivers. But that that said, I have no

743
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: problem going with the guy you've been developing for three

744
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 1: years and other teams wanted to trade for on draft weekend.

745
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: But undeniably the results have been catastrophic for catastrophic for them.

746
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: It's just been bad resolves. They've been bred. Hudley has

747
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: been awful. This is the Ravens recipe because they weren't

748
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 1: any better on offense. They had two nineteen yards it.

749
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not say teams win games very often

750
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: with two nineteen with that low of a yardage figure,

751
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: much less win a game twenty three to nothing. I

752
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 1: saw an interesting tweet that listed the Ravens last six games,

753
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: and then it was compliment with the comment of defense

754
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: good enough to win all six, offense bad enough to

755
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: lose all six. They they've told us who they are

756
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: this year. We know who the Ravens are. They absolutely

757
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: pulverize bad quarterbacks and bad offenses and they lose two

758
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: good teams. I mean, it's another shutout for them. So

759
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: maybe this is the team I think in the a

760
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: f C that's gonna not sneak in because you're not.

761
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: There's no one's sneaking into the playoffs. You're gonna you're

762
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 1: gonna get dropped in backwards out of like an open

763
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: plane door into the back end of the a f C.

764
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: You know, playoff situation. But do you trust them shook

765
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 1: to do anything more than to go in and lose

766
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: a playoff game. No, they they they're last year's Miami Dolphins,

767
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: except they have a better defense, because I don't expect

768
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: them to get out of the wild card round if

769
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: they do make it. But they do, and I'm not

770
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: and I'm not ticketing them. I've been saying they're my

771
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 1: pick for the six C two, but I mean they're

772
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: five and five there are bad enough to lose any

773
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: game too. The thing that they have is a nice

774
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: looking schedule overall, where you can see them getting to

775
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: nine wins and I kind of think that will be enough.

776
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 1: Defense travels and if if they go on the road

777
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: in a playoff game, if they who would they face,

778
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: like the Chiefs or something. Is it that crazy if

779
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: they could win it? I'm not, And it doesn't get

780
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: me pumped up, Like I'm not like jumping up and

781
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: down with excitement at the idea of the Ravens and Jags,

782
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: for instance, uh, going into the playoffs as wild card teams.

783
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: But I could get behind that game kind of fun enough,

784
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: all right, Maybe it would be in kind of like

785
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: defensive struggle type way, but just to see who could

786
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: set the turn of a record at quarterback. So maybe

787
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: there is something to that. Anything else from this game

788
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:47,919
Speaker 1: shook that jumped out to you, Wait a second, I

789
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: locked it up. I's going on with your tank? I was,

790
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: I'm struggling. But the Jets there are Yeah, the Jets

791
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: right now there are stronger forces than me. And it

792
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: was the football gods punishing the NFL and NBC for

793
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: putting Brett Huntley, and in prime time they said, you

794
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,959
Speaker 1: know what, you put Brenton Huntley in hindim We're gonna

795
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 1: have him scored zero points the week before while Ram

796
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: Saints is stuck at checks out. That checks out by

797
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: two quick points. I love Alex Collins. If I had

798
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: to pick a running back from a team that's not

799
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,439
Speaker 1: the one I follow closest, who I really wanted to wish,

800
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: who I wish it would be on my team be

801
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: Alex Collins. I love the way he runs. He runs hard,

802
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: good day today. The two point five yards per that's

803
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: the thing. But when he does run the ball, I

804
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: just like the way he looked necessarily that he's putting

805
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: up numbers wise, And Mike Wallace had a big play

806
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: one hand catch for a touchdown that wasn't that was

807
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: I think the catch of the day. Potentially it was

808
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: a beautifu good thing in playing in the eighties, he

809
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: never would have been him now that was different. What

810
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: I was saying was a pure show of athleticism, like

811
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Speaker 1: a poor Lawrence Taylor, who was who was he to

812
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: be an athlete in the eighties. This has the ring

813
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: of a back in my day. We walked uphill both

814
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: ways to Greg. In the eighties, everyone was just like

815
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: smoking cigarettes. And you know, basically, I don't think I'm

816
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: exactly I don't know him saying that the athleticism like

817
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: the NBA in the fifties where George Mike was just

818
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: or the NBA in the eighties. I mean, here we

819
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: come on the next topic. I think a lot of

820
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: people would agree with me. Just not to just catch

821
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 1: you up. Greg said there was not really any athletic places.

822
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: That is not true. What everybody made good catch What

823
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: I said was, and of course I was exaggerate. I

824
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: didn't mean it's like definitely the best play ever. But

825
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is like the one handed catch from

826
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: Shephard last week, or the catch from Roger Lewis last week,

827
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: like those would have maybe been the best most athletic

828
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: catches tired decades, so why are we back into this?

829
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Speaker 1: But you know, that's how good it was. Greg greg

830
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 1: never saw the montage that they play at the beginning

831
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: or end of each NFL game in the eighties where

832
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: they play I'm just saying, we take these insane catches

833
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: weekly for granted. Now it's just like a first then,

834
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, it was like a caveman times. All right, Now,

835
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: let's move on to the next game. Let's we got

836
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: cess and shook together. That's good because we're gonna talk

837
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: about the Browns. Kaiser dropped the throat. He is gonna

838
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,439
Speaker 1: be hit again. That falls out again and got quite

839
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: hitting that time. Dante Fowler tries to fall on it.

840
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: Football is in the end zone. Jacksonville has fallen on

841
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: it for a touchdown. They're not gonna take that one away.

842
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: Telvin Smith in the end zone from the score and

843
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 1: that'll finish it all. Frank Frangie w j x L

844
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: with the call uh Blake Bortles through a touchdown pass.

845
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: Telvin Smith recovered that fumble for a touchdown with just

846
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: over a minute to play, and the Jaguars beat the Browns,

847
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: help keeping the Browns winless. In nineteen seven victory UM.

848
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: The win, combined with the Titans loss on Thursday, puts

849
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: the Jaguars in sole possession of first place in the

850
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: a f C South. Uh Mark Cecil will start with

851
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:52,439
Speaker 1: you here, Uh do you expect that Jaguars to stay there? Yes?

852
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: I do. I think they have much more identity than

853
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: any other team in that division right now. And today's game,

854
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: which was a sneaky good defensive performance by the Browns,

855
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: and they've done that before this season. This is how

856
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: you could look at the Jaguars team and say they

857
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: can win a playoff game because Blake Bortles totally shut

858
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: down for large portions of this game. Leonard for not

859
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: for net got going later on, but essentially Jacksonville did

860
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: very little on offense but their defense Jalen Ramsey, a

861
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: J boy A, the rest of this crew, Telvin Smith

862
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: making plays all over the place. They can do this

863
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: to one of the big boys. I really do believe that.

864
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: In in the in the on the right Sunday they

865
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: have and they could do it to Pittsburgh, and they

866
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: could do it to New England potentially for parts of

867
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: the game. I don't know how you hold down New

868
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: England's offense. You're playing the Browns today, but they couldn't

869
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: have played a more perfect game on defense. And it's

870
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 1: not the first time they've done that. What's wild about

871
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: you know, what we talked about earlier is can can

872
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: Baltimore go into a wild card game and and win

873
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: a playoff game? This is a Jacksonville team that I

874
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 1: could see in a snowy setting, much like the last

875
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: time they're in the playoffs with David Gerrard a quarterback.

876
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 1: Instead rely on their defense in their ground game and

877
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: have to rely on Blake Bortles to win a game

878
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: because when they needed him to throw the ball today,

879
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: it didn't work. Again, it hasn't really worked all year.

880
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: But luckily, you know, the Browns made enough mistakes and

881
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: they forced enough mistakes with their defense to then come

882
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: away with the two score win. Again, that was way

883
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: closer than it looked. You can look look at it

884
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: two ways. One, they're winning games where Blake Bortles throws

885
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: two picks in the final two minutes when they're trailing,

886
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: like last week or this week, where they have the

887
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: Browns under a hundred yards very late in the game,

888
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: and it was still a game or you could look

889
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: at it like that's a regular season thing that's not

890
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: gonna work. Like yeah, like you need to put a

891
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,280
Speaker 1: team like the Browns away much earlier when you've absolutely

892
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: shut them down. All I would say is that of

893
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: all these outer a FC teams, I think that Jacksonville

894
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: is the one that I'd be most excited to see

895
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 1: in the paper. And they have they have. Their defense

896
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: is so legitimate, it is so powerful that I think

897
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: they can disrupt. They can disrupt in January. The they

898
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: feel so boom or bust for me though, just because

899
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: of the fact that they rely so much on their

900
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: defense and don't the team overall they have, Yeah, and

901
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: they have to avoid falling behind or else they're done. Yeah. Um,

902
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: five turnovers, I just I just can't shake that feeling.

903
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 1: We can uh So the Browns had five turnovers and

904
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: are now two and thirty five in their past. My

905
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: question hard to do? How how did we get here?

906
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: A massive tear down of a roster that already didn't

907
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 1: have a lot of talent. I remember that free agent

908
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: class exiting first day of free agency, the Browns lose

909
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 1: Mitchell Schwartz, uh Travis Benjamin into Shaun Gibson today. One

910
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: of those three played against them into Shaun Gibson, and

911
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 1: unfortunately they went from being a bad team to then

912
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: going way below that and have struggled to come back

913
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: up to a bad team to where they can then

914
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: build forward. But to that point there comes the optimism

915
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: and that's why we love having shook. While everybody in

916
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,439
Speaker 1: Cleveland's gonna call for jobs there they do every week.

917
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: It's it's hashtag matt on line. But what is it

918
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 1: mad online? As in, you are online and you're angry

919
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: and you need to let it out somehow, So you're

920
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: gonna call for somebody's job on Twitter because we see

921
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: it every week with a lot of bad teams. Let

922
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: this regime ride it into year three. Yeah, what's the point?

923
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: There is no point you go nowhere. You gain nothing

924
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 1: by firing those in charge right now? Really, really, I mean,

925
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: how many quarterbacks are you gonna pass up? I'm not

926
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: gonna look at the quarterback right now, and I'll point

927
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: to the positives first and then I'll address that. What

928
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I would be fine if if you stayed

929
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 1: the course with the right regime, but I know there's

930
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: no sign that this is the right regime. Defensively, the

931
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 1: picks that they've made outside of Myles Garrett have been

932
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: pretty good for the most part. And we point to

933
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: a game like today where they had Miles Garrett's looks great.

934
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: Oh no, and that's just a layup. I'm not gonna

935
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: so anybody can make that pick. You keep your defensive regime.

936
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: But what are you gonna do with Hugh Jackson who's

937
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 1: bungled the quarterback situation all year? And it's Joe no

938
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: signs of being able to fix this offense, which is

939
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 1: a specialty. I think you need to get an offensive

940
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: coordinator and then you kind of hope that maybe they'll

941
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: move from there. Did they're still devoid of talent. This

942
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: is a draft that comes coming up and they have

943
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: to spend a lot. It's been an endless stream of

944
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: rookie quarterbacks and D minus grade quarterbacks starting. And that

945
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: leads to that channels back to Cleveland passing on Carson

946
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: Wentz and I'm gonna make less of a big deal

947
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: about Deshaun Watson because nobody was talking about Deshaun Watson

948
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: as a number two or number one overall pick in

949
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: the draft. And honestly, the Wentz thing to me is

950
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 1: the guy that fit Cleveland. I don't think we would

951
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: be getting Philadelphia's Carson Wentz if he were in Cleveland

952
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: right now, but it would have been the right pick

953
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: two and thirty five. It's just insane. By the way,

954
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: a bunch of those games, there are some wacky stuff

955
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: happening in these games too. Talent shouldn't be that different

956
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: to lose that much. As there's like witchcraft happening at

957
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: points in some of these rounds games, there really are.

958
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: I don't think that this happens without some of that

959
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: happening in two thousand seventeen NFL. But it also is

960
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 1: a lot of mistakes that they have to look at

961
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 1: themselves and say, where the reason for give me a

962
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: seven and thirty you know, give me an eight and

963
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: twenty nine. Those teams to this my god shook um.

964
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: Thank you for playing her today, and we will look

965
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: in I don't know if we could have a shirt

966
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: that that will fit your frame, but I will h

967
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: work with Lindsay behind behind the scenes to see if

968
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: we can get you an honorary around the NFL podcast

969
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 1: pull over like the one Chris Weston's wearing right now.

970
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: Some might ask quider. Are so many free rich eyes

971
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: and T shirts floating around this entire building, and I

972
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: don't see anyone wearing around the NFL podcast T shirt.

973
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: I think we need to work on brand management there, sweatshirts,

974
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: let's say push them. Why Why isn't this coming from

975
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: the top. Damn just rain down the merch upon the

976
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: people in this building. Just like in Buffalo, it's a

977
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: major referendum on the entire brain trust. Where is our merch?

978
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: It's a fair question. Let's move on. First half. Texans

979
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: at the airs on a thirty four yard line top

980
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: Savage hands off to deante form and running to the

981
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: right side. Has I see for dead? Five rock and

982
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: roll touchdown? I love an old dad say rock and roll?

983
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: What does that have to do with anything? It's rock

984
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: and roll dead, I don't. I mean the rock and

985
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: roll he's referring to is definitely probably dead. But just

986
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: the fact that he said rock and roll, what is

987
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: that about? I don't even know. I'm almost tempted to

988
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: nominate it, just because it kind of it's kind of

989
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: wacky to me. I will block. You're gonna block the nomination,

990
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: that's fine. Well, you know who said that. I'll tell

991
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: you said it and you can take it up with him.

992
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: Dave pash Katie a r with the call, rookie Deanta

993
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: Foreman two fourth quarter touchdowns and the Texans and a

994
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 1: three game losing streakin over the Arizona Cardinals. Greg, Uh,

995
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: we don't spend too much time on this one. But

996
00:49:54,040 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: Tom Savage was I don't know, like proficient today. Oh no,

997
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 1: so you gotta you gotta take the bat at football

998
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: part off for tonight. You don't. He's an NFL. He's

999
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: an NFL player who had absolutely terrible protection today. Uh

1000
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: why does the protection always looks so much worse for him? Well,

1001
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: it looks terrible for what Watson too. Watson could do

1002
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: something about it for once today. Savage could do something

1003
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 1: about it too. Made a beautiful throw on the run

1004
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: for a touchdown, made a couple of nice vertical plays,

1005
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 1: didn't make too many mistakes. Yeah, they scored thirty one points.

1006
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: If nothing, if nothing else, If Tom Savage doesn't ever

1007
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: win another NFL game, he'll always have this game. Bruce

1008
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: arians blamed himself. Why why did he blame himself at

1009
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 1: this long? Because he that, you know, because coaches do

1010
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: that it's sort of a coach speak, but he was.

1011
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: He's a nons so he was referring. He was referring

1012
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: specifically to going for it on fourth and short in

1013
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. Uh, when it was a three point game,

1014
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: and you know, Adrian Peterson got stuffed, Like Adrian Peterson

1015
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: got stuffed the entire game. And I don't put that

1016
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: on Bruce Arians. I think he was coaching aggressively to win,

1017
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: and his offensive line and his running back weren't up

1018
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: to the test. Today, Houston was better. Uh. Tough season

1019
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: for the Texans, but a bright spot as Jadavean Clowney,

1020
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: who continues to build his cab. He was dominant two sacks,

1021
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: five tackles, three for losses in three quarterback. He's the

1022
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: best run blocking defensive end in the league, or outside line, breck,

1023
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call him. There is no one

1024
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: better at breaking open or running game than him. He's incredible.

1025
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: Let's move on. Dropped back to Roll Fitzpatrick looking through

1026
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 1: the ball toward the Angel cock ball touchdown, Tampa Bay,

1027
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: Sean Jackson, nobody, audience, and the Dolphins make a horrible mistake.

1028
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: His number eleven is wide open. That Fitzpatfrick sawd and

1029
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: threw a strike for a four yard touched own. Oh yeah,

1030
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: Jean decker Hoff w x TB with the call. Ryan

1031
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick through for two seventy five yards two touchdowns. Pat

1032
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: Murray thirty five yard field goal of four seconds to play.

1033
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: Somehow I didn't see this, uh, just being completely honest

1034
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: with the audience. Somehow they scored another touchdown. Greg, you

1035
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: said it was a tie game, Well, it was like

1036
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: four seconds ten points in four seconds, right, because time

1037
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: was pretty cool off the clock and the Dolphins attempted

1038
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: it was a kick return, I believe, and they did

1039
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,720
Speaker 1: a lateral that was fumbled trying to get anything seconds.

1040
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: It wasn't like an Let's engineer to drive that, you know,

1041
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: Ate up the clock becomes thirty just in five seconds

1042
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: of game time anyway, Mark um Uh. Though history will

1043
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: remember Nate Peterman as the I n T King of

1044
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 1: Week eleven. J Cutler certainly gave it his best, well,

1045
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: I mean yes, until he was concussed and left the

1046
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 1: game midway through, bringing Matt Moore back into our lives. Yeah,

1047
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: but before the concussion came three grizzly interceptions. Am I mistaken. No,

1048
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: you are correct, it was. It was The Dolphins are

1049
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: put in a terrible position by Cutler's turnovers, and I

1050
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: believe also Jarvis Landry had a fumble and you do

1051
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: to do that against the Bucks there, you know, the

1052
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,280
Speaker 1: Bucks are very vulnerable. But Ryan Fitzpatrick to me seemed,

1053
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: uh seems to be the better quarterback right now over

1054
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: Jameis Winston. I'm I'm trying to recover from a very

1055
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: strange bell. Listen, what was that? I don't know. That

1056
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 1: was actually my wedding ring, which I fiddle around with.

1057
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: You know, it's on the floor and fell and hit something.

1058
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: You sabotaze Mark, and he's not gonna do it with

1059
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: his voice, so do it with his fad with his wedding.

1060
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: I mean, if you can't survive, if you take it

1061
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: from here, Greg, if you can't fight through that, you know,

1062
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: come on. I did my best. It was a very

1063
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: business sound, was it not. I mean all everyone's suddenly

1064
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: everyone's talking, everyone's looking around, and it's like, keep mining

1065
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: on with your Bucks, Dolphins. Point I done it? Hit

1066
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: this come through on the audiolieve it? Um? Great? H

1067
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: that was a good rundown, Mark, anything else from the game.

1068
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: These are two teams that we've forked. I'm one of

1069
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: those weird people who hated the word literally, especially the

1070
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: misuse of it. I saw a tweet that day was

1071
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 1: literally incredible. I possibly believe it. Armando saw Garrow with

1072
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: Miami Harold said it was it was probably the dolphins

1073
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 1: worst half of football the first half of this season,

1074
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: and the Dolphins have had most of the worst halfs

1075
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: of football I've seen this year. Um surprising from a

1076
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 1: turnover ankle. He might be right, but they but I've

1077
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: seen worse from them, including the Ravens game. They put

1078
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: up four hundred and fifty yards, including a ton in

1079
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: the first quarter. So I've seen some uglier Dolphins. I

1080
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 1: want to just throw this out there because yes, um,

1081
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: Mr Cutler suffered a concussion and we we hope it

1082
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: it doesn't have any long summer efects for him. But

1083
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: three more interceptions and the the Dolphins are out of it.

1084
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: Uh in the a f C and another lost season.

1085
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:49,879
Speaker 1: And I'm the one game I'm not saying in these teams,

1086
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: I'm saying they're not out of it. They're out of it.

1087
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,720
Speaker 1: The terrible I would contract the entire conferences, Dolphins are forked.

1088
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: Jay Cutler was terrible again and now he's hurt. And

1089
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 1: I just want to put it on everybody's radar because

1090
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: I think we've all, despite our issues with him as

1091
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: a player, on balance, have kind of enjoyed Jay Cutler

1092
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,760
Speaker 1: the experience, even if it's Jay Cutler the punching bag

1093
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: um I saw. I asked Lindsay to help me put

1094
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: together a final retrospective of what could have been J

1095
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: Cutler's final game could have been this third out at

1096
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: seven from the NYE. He's got time and this pass

1097
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: is going to be intercepted by Chucklin Evans receivers Cutlers

1098
00:55:47,000 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: at sevening it has picked off by Claude Alexander Manson

1099
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: Parker and Robert McLean has the interception marked disgusted by

1100
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 1: this bill No, I mean I the assumption going in

1101
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:18,240
Speaker 1: was that we have all enjoyed this final J Cutler

1102
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: go around. I found it in particularly painful this season,

1103
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: and I wonder if he regrets making this decision when

1104
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,720
Speaker 1: he could have been up in the announcer's booth trying

1105
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: to go punch or punch with Roma. Let's move on.

1106
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 1: This will be a forty six yard or trying to

1107
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: tie this game. Here we go, there's the snap spot

1108
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 1: kick away, it is up and it is no good.

1109
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: He missed it. He pushed it to the right and

1110
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 1: the Lions survive and we're walking out of here with

1111
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: their third straight victory. Dan Miller w j R. With

1112
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 1: the call. Connor Broughts forty six yard field goal attempt

1113
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: started wide wide, wide right and stayed that way, allowing

1114
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: the lines to escape Soldier Field with four win over

1115
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: the Bears. Um Matt Stafford through two touchdowns uh and

1116
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,919
Speaker 1: three hundred yards, Matt Prator drilled a fifty two yard

1117
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 1: field goal like guy's a good kicker, Um with one

1118
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: thirty five to play, and once again, despite there being

1119
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 1: a little touch and go there for the Lions against

1120
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: a bad team, they get the job done. And uh,

1121
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what what. I'll tell you what. We

1122
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: don't love the Lions around here as a team to

1123
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: take seriously in the NFC, but I'll give them a

1124
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: little credit. They are for the first time, uh ever

1125
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: since the divisions of realigned, they won their every division

1126
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: road game. A little bit of toughness there. We say

1127
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: they're not a tough team it's a nice job by them,

1128
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: and and they are, you know, in the mix, taking

1129
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: care of these games that they should win even if

1130
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: they're not dominant efforts. We're gonna start handing a lollipops.

1131
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: Now that was a bit from a few years ago.

1132
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: I remember that the lollipop time. I don't I don't

1133
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,439
Speaker 1: know what you are saying. Yeah, then the Lions fans

1134
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: are on my nerves because of mediocrity and how much

1135
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: they demand respect for it. And this team is a

1136
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: mediocre team that's gonna ball just shot of the playoffs. Well,

1137
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: they have the Vikings defense on Thanksgiving and the reward

1138
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: for that is to play the Ravens defense the week after,

1139
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: So we'll find out where they were after them. Yeah,

1140
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: that's you know, they beat the Vikings in in Minnesota.

1141
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: At the time, you thought, well the case Keenan was

1142
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: the starter, No big whoop. But that's proved to be

1143
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: a very defficult game. They're not out of they're not

1144
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: out of the NFC North if they won that game.

1145
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily expect them to win that game. But

1146
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: certainly crazier things happen every week in the NFL than

1147
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: them beating the Vikings at home. All right, I amend

1148
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: my statement looking at the standings. Now there's a chance

1149
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: to slide into a wild card spot and then lose

1150
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: the first game like they normally. Uh. And although I

1151
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: will say together the lines credit that year, that last

1152
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: year they had in Dominan Sue and they had Calvin Johnson.

1153
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: They got jobbed in that game. They were ter than

1154
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: the couch should have won that game, and they got

1155
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: job That was the best Lions team of my life.

1156
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: Not there There haven't been a lot of great candidates,

1157
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: but that was it that that it was a top

1158
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: six or seven team in the NFL. The Bears are

1159
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: now three and seven oh and four in their Division

1160
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: one and seven against NFC teams. The John Fox farewell

1161
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: Tour is very similar to the Jeff Fisher farewell Tour tour.

1162
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 1: Is a a well known coach. It just seems like

1163
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: now the writings on the wall, it's just a matter

1164
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: of time. Uh. The Lions, meanwhile, keep themselves in the mix.

1165
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: Let's move forward. You know the thing about him, because

1166
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 1: he's like a great heavyweight fighter. Great heavyweight fighters the

1167
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: ones I know at least could take a punch. Joe

1168
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: Fraser could take a punch. Rocky pop Ball could take

1169
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: a punch. It's Chris Spielman, by the way, speaking of

1170
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: who I like that he talks through his audience. Yeah,

1171
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: he's mixed in fictional character real boxers. You know there

1172
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: are plenty of heavyweight fighters through the decades that you

1173
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: could sig eight is being able to take a punch.

1174
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: Rocky Belboa was not a real person. Goes to faith

1175
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: Boxer with second reference. Uh, let's move on, he's got

1176
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: it line for Bengals touchdown twenty nine yards Andy Dalton

1177
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: to Alex Ericson for his first touchdown catch in the NFL.

1178
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: Alex x Ericson yes one of three touchdown passes from

1179
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton and the Bengals winning game over the Denver Broncos.

1180
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: Cincinnati built a double digit lead uh in the fourth quarter,

1181
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 1: then their defense was able to close it out of

1182
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 1: the end. Get to stop against brock Oswiler, and that

1183
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: gave West. I know, even though you divorced the Bengals,

1184
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 1: you are historically knowledgeable of the team. This is their

1185
01:00:54,760 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 1: first win in Denver since throughout a year probably in Uh.

1186
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 1: Let's see, it's gotta be like the seventies or eighties,

1187
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 1: back when the NFL was a shadow of what it

1188
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: is now. I'll go eighty eight four. N Greg, you

1189
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: want to get at nineteen. WHOA, that's a long time anyway, Wes.

1190
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you something in the dreary a f

1191
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: C the west of his stream isn't dead. It's not dead,

1192
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: and you can't say it is. That's true. It's not dead.

1193
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: But this team is fatally flawed by their offensive line

1194
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 1: and ground attack, and they managed just twelve first downds

1195
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 1: all game. They won this game because uh, Drake Kirkpatrick

1196
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: had a one hundred one yard interception return that led

1197
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 1: to a one yard touchdown and Vantes Burfick forced to

1198
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: fumble in the fourth quarter on C. J. Anderson when

1199
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 1: the Broncos were driving to tie the game. Uh. Those

1200
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: two turnovers were the difference in the game, and Asweller got,

1201
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 1: I thought he might build on last week's game, in

1202
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: which he played much better than the final score would suggest.

1203
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 1: He made some throws last week. I thought it was

1204
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: probably the best game I've seen Oswaer playing at least

1205
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: two years. And today he got a chance for a

1206
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,439
Speaker 1: two minute drill, took a bad sack on second down,

1207
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 1: then couldn't find Emmanuel Sanders on fourth down. He had

1208
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 1: a chance. And the weirdest part of this game to

1209
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 1: me was the halftime. Jamie heard all that the sideline

1210
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 1: reporters said that even though Ostwaller was playing with a

1211
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: sore shoulder and wasn't playing well, Paxton the Vance Joseph

1212
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: told her Paxton Lynch was not an option in the

1213
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 1: second half. He just wasn't and he wasn't gonna We

1214
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 1: weren't gonna see him in the second half. Vance Joseph

1215
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 1: should send a thank you card to Sean McDermott for

1216
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 1: taking the heat off his uh sketchy quarterback decisions the

1217
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: last few Why why was brock Oswader starting this game necessarily?

1218
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: Why aren't you making a change like this? This AFC

1219
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 1: is still open in theory I don't even know, like

1220
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 1: a game where the opponent has a D nine cards

1221
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: and you lose at home. Well, okay, so Vance Joseph

1222
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 1: is not handled it well, but he inherited this quarterback room.

1223
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: When at some point does anyone point to John Elway

1224
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: and say, whether it comes to scouting Paxton Lynch, who's

1225
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 1: he has been absolutely a nonentity so far, and it

1226
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: looked bad in the preseason, totally outplayed by Trevor Simeon,

1227
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 1: who has now been benched for Brock Osweiler. When does

1228
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 1: it fall in always feet for post maiden Manning not

1229
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 1: finding a quarterback for this team to that point, Trevor

1230
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 1: Simeon inactive as we're three rookie draft picks today, D'Angelo Henderson,

1231
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: de Marcus Walker and Isaiah Mackenzie. So if you're looking

1232
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 1: for why is this season gone south? And it has

1233
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: gone south by the way six straight losses. That's their

1234
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 1: longest losing streak in twenty seven years. They're not getting

1235
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: h impact play from some of these guys that have

1236
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: come into the organization, and the quarterback room is a mess.

1237
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 1: Well they there's some report out there about, you know,

1238
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 1: concerns with the play calling, and I feel like those

1239
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 1: reports usually come from from high up in the Broncos organization.

1240
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 1: I think always fatal flaw has been the offensive line

1241
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 1: because they just can't run. They're not they don't have

1242
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 1: a great quarterback, but this line doesn't give any quarterback

1243
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 1: a chance. Does. The offensive line has been more problem

1244
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 1: It's been even more problematic than the quarterbacks, right, Simeon

1245
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: could have well, who knows. I mean, I'll die on,

1246
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 1: but I would say hanging with what you're gonna say,

1247
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 1: had brought him back these last two weeks or this

1248
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 1: week at least, it's like, I think you could have

1249
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:24,439
Speaker 1: won this game. At least it's not like something else

1250
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 1: is going on. Why is Brock Oslar still playing games

1251
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 1: when Simeon is recently as a month ago? I mean

1252
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: Oswayler was a second round pick by by John Elway.

1253
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 1: So he I think he believes in Brock Austen. Oh,

1254
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 1: come on, he can't. He offered him sixteen million dollars

1255
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 1: a year. He brought it back to the organization. Well

1256
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 1: to him, though it's the same guy and it's a

1257
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 1: young player. It makes me wonder how much anyone believes

1258
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 1: in Paxton Lynch. That's fair. Let's move up. I want

1259
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:53,360
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1260
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1261
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Speaker 1: opportunities and challenges the league is faced are similar to

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Speaker 1: those faced by businesses of all microwave popcorn types. Listen

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Speaker 1: to Who Outside the Box on Apple Podcast, Stitcher, Spotify,

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Speaker 1: or wherever you get your pods. Outside the Box Night Eagles,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go for it when it's trying to convert

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01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 1: on fourth down on water catch by Jeffrey All Sean

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey into the engine all on fourth down Eagles domination

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01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,959
Speaker 1: on Sunday Night, Carson wentz through two touchdown passes one

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Speaker 1: what you just heard there to al Sean Jeffrey from

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Speaker 1: Al Michaels and the Philadelphia Eagles cruise behind a monster

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Speaker 1: second half to a thirty seven nine victory over the

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Speaker 1: host Dallas Cowboys in Jaral World in front of in

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Speaker 1: battle Jared Jones and Chris Christie on top of it.

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Speaker 1: Christie's involved, So anyway, Greg will start with you on

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Speaker 1: this one Uh. The Eagles now nine and one, running

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Speaker 1: away with the NFC East, and now they put the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys on life support. Wow, what a performance. Carson Wentz

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Speaker 1: after halftime played an absolutely perfect thirty minutes of football.

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Speaker 1: I think you could say that about the entire Philadelphia

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Speaker 1: Eagles team. I mean right, they went into halftime down

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Speaker 1: nine seven, They outscored thirty to nothing after halftime in

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Speaker 1: the first half. At one point, the Cowboys defense had

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Speaker 1: slowed down the Eagles better than any team had all year.

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01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 1: They had five drives at one point that had total

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Speaker 1: thirteen yards. They were stopped on seven straight possessions. And

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Speaker 1: then it was like they just flipped the switch and

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01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 1: the Eagles team we've seen all year came out. And

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Speaker 1: when they are rolling and it's the running game as

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Speaker 1: a big foundation and a GI you got off and

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Speaker 1: La Garrett Blunt got off and Clement got off. They

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Speaker 1: are a joy to watch. They're kind of like the

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Speaker 1: most unstoppable looking team in the NFL when they get

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01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 1: going like that. Yeah, and it's like you look at

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Speaker 1: the box SCORESMA all morning. If you didn't watch this

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01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty eight yards passing for Carson Wentz, you think, oh, well,

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01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 1: they slowed him down the opposite He was a magician.

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Speaker 1: And at one point in early and you know, it

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Speaker 1: was nine to seven at halftime, and really in the

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Speaker 1: third we were asking where's this Eagle's rushing attack, where's Jaji?

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01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 1: And then he rips off a seventy one yard run

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Speaker 1: that I think really started the landslide on the flip side.

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01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott again running for his life. They got a

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Speaker 1: little bit more from the running game. But this Eagles defense,

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Speaker 1: which is overshadowed by Carson Wentz every week in the offense,

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Speaker 1: has half the story here, you know, and all credit

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Speaker 1: due to the Eagles defense. They've they've been showing up

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Speaker 1: all season and that's how you get to nine and one.

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Speaker 1: It's just not one side of the ball, but Dak Prescott.

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Speaker 1: The Cowboys needed their quarterback to step up and play

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01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 1: a good game, and Alfred Morris ran the ball. Well

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Speaker 1: he's not Zike Elliott, of course, who's now in the

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Speaker 1: second game of suspension and the Cowboys are winless during

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Speaker 1: that absence. Alfred Morris won sevent for ninety one and

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Speaker 1: was able to move the ball. Dak Prescott did nothing

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Speaker 1: in this game. He had one of his the worst

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Speaker 1: games of his career and a big game. I got

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Speaker 1: really tired of the Wentz Dak back and forth this week.

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01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 1: You know, I think they're both gray. I think it's

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01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 1: hard to pick between the two of them right now.

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01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 1: Wentz clearly has a deeper and better team around him.

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Speaker 1: But this was a perfect performance by Wentz in the

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Speaker 1: second half. I mean, he was just incredible. And Doc

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01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 1: had one of his worst games of the year. And

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Speaker 1: I think he's been struggling a little bit the last

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Speaker 1: few weeks trying to hold up that offense and I

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Speaker 1: and I mentioned it on Thursday, but I want to

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01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:22,600
Speaker 1: hit it again. Des and Cole Beasley were the centerpiece

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Speaker 1: of their passing game. They don't have a passing game,

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Speaker 1: whether it's all it's certainly not all Doc. It's the protection,

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Speaker 1: it's the receivers, it's everything. But they don't really have

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Speaker 1: a passing game that can hold them up. And so

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Speaker 1: tonight Des gets fourteen targets for sixty three yards and

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Speaker 1: Beasley gets four targets for seven yards. And those were

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01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:40,559
Speaker 1: their two main guys last year, and they're two of

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01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 1: the least efficient receivers when you're throwing it to them

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Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, and it's back to back turnovers in

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Speaker 1: the second half, one a fumble touchdown for Dallas I

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01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 1: think completely turned this game from potentially they had a

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Speaker 1: chance to come back in the fourth quarter, two completely

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Speaker 1: out of reach. And people looked at that Eagles Broncos

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01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:00,839
Speaker 1: game and said, oh, it's an aberration for Ver's defense

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Speaker 1: and that's not really what Denver's defense is about. And

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Speaker 1: you know what, that's what the Eagles are. They do

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01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 1: that to every team they play. This game had a

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Speaker 1: lot of share DNA in the second half with that

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Speaker 1: romp over Denver because suddenly they just let the run

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01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 1: game completely overpower the tire defense they're facing. This is

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Speaker 1: how they are built to go deep, if not the

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01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 1: deepest team in the NFC, right to the superman. I

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01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 1: think you love that you don't have to play j J.

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01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:27,600
Speaker 1: I is not even their main running back. He's just

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Speaker 1: one of three guys. That's a nice little luxury they got.

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Speaker 1: And now the Cowboys turned around and they have a

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Speaker 1: game in four days against the Chargers at home, their

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Speaker 1: season on the line, and it's already in grave danger

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Speaker 1: at five and five, and you put them, uh if

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Speaker 1: if you say a coin flip to make the playoffs

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Speaker 1: that might even be at this point. Being kind to

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01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 1: they've gotten Yeah, they've got a lot of spot now

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Speaker 1: and in fact, there if you look at the seating

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01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:55,599
Speaker 1: right now, they're the tenth seed. They have a ton

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Speaker 1: of work. Their schedule does ease up a little bit.

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Speaker 1: But you don't have Zeke Elliott. You hoping to get

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Speaker 1: Tyrann Smith Beeck. We'll talk about that game on Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: won't Oh yes, let's talk about a different week um

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Speaker 1: for the Around the NFL podcast. So yeah, we'll have

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Speaker 1: our standard show Tuesday in terms of the timing of it,

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Speaker 1: but that will act as our week twelve preview. So

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Speaker 1: we'll go through all the week twelve games and then

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Speaker 1: on Thursday night for the first time. What makes us different, Mark,

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01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:28,759
Speaker 1: I guess we're grinders. Everybody else's passed out on the couch.

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Speaker 1: We will be in the studio Thursday night, uh mini

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Speaker 1: pod going over all three Thanksgiving games, including the Thursday

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Speaker 1: night affair between Mark the Giants and the Redskins. Nice. Nice,

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Speaker 1: I thought i'd get you on that one. So yeah,

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01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 1: we'll do a Thursday Night Thanksgiving mini pod going over

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01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:50,679
Speaker 1: those games and then of course the Sunday flagship show.

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Speaker 1: Uh so that's our schedule. That's a major league grit,

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01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:56,720
Speaker 1: right there, some hustle, some grit. We certainly know that

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01:11:56,760 --> 01:12:00,599
Speaker 1: our wives and children they appreciate the dynamic. Yeah, children

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01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 1: will be asleep where they come, they'll be fine. All right,

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Speaker 1: So there you go. That's that's as Sundays show. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I forgot. That's right. Chris Wesley cannot pick up his

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Speaker 1: lock mark you this time. I am now three and

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Speaker 1: two in lockoffs, and uh, you know, losing to West

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01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 1: as a noble loss. I have no issues there. I

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01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 1: I went out under limb here you see the subtext

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01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 1: d and losing to us would not be a noble

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01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 1: loss like West he respects. But yeah, I've picked that up.

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01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 1: That's not where I was going. I don't respect myself

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01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 1: on picking the Cowboys in the sif that was a

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01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 1: surprise pick um, it was an onion hanger. Did not

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01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 1: work out in your favor. Greg picks up a game

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01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 1: and and we are flying in the race for second

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01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 1: place the season. Yes, so we'll be back Tuesday, flying

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Speaker 1: into the side of a building. Thank you to everybody

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01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 1: that for listening. Uh, you're the best. Let's get out

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01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 1: of here this Dan hands a signing off four quiet

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01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:01,680
Speaker 1: storm the mailman, and I've at you all. Shut up,

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01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 1: neck shuck. He's strong, the old boss, and lendsy baltd

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Speaker 1: is behind the glass till Thursday