1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,479 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 2: What's up everybody? 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 3: Welcome to Move the Sticks, DJ, Bucky joined by our 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 3: good friend Tom to LESCo. Tom, we appreciate you jumping 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 3: on with us again here man. 6 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 2: What you've been up to? Yeah, no, thanks for having 7 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 2: me on. 8 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: Just trying to stay active and busy, trying, you know, 9 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:24,319 Speaker 1: watch some college guys and watching the NFL and just 10 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: trying to stay engaged as much as I can. 11 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 3: What do you go back through your your years as 12 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 3: general manager, Tom, when you're in this time, this time 13 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 3: of the season, we're coming down the home stretch. Take 14 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 3: us a little bit of a behind the curtain here 15 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 3: as you're trying to monitor where your team is and 16 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:41,919 Speaker 3: you can sniff the playoffs. 17 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 2: You're not there yet, but you can sniff it. Well. 18 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: You have to prepare like you're going to be in 19 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: the playoffs because you've got a pro scouting staff that 20 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: has to have the advanced scouting of the teams. 21 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 2: You could be playing in the playoffs. 22 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: So December scouting from the pro side was always really 23 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: fun because you send your guys on the road for 24 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: potential maybe a team you haven't seen yet this year 25 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: to kind of get ready for that or team maybe 26 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: you saw early. 27 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 2: In the year, because that has to be done. 28 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: If you're in the wildcard team, that stuff has to 29 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: be done right after the last game of the year. 30 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 2: So you've got that going on. 31 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: You're still trying to solidify your roster just as strong 32 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: as you can make it from the practice squad all 33 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 1: the way up to make sure if there's an injury that. 34 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 2: Happens, you can at least backfill it. 35 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: So you're always working on that and then you know, 36 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: you know it's still important, but it's not a little 37 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: bit of a back burner. Is December is a big 38 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,919 Speaker 1: month for the college scouts as far as some early 39 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: meetings on some players kind of get the draft board. 40 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: Kind of the draft board kind of starts to set 41 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: itself in the fall, but in December you can kind 42 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: of get it moved around a little bit, do a 43 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: lot of character work backgroun on players. So there's college 44 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: scouting meetings that are going on concurrently with the season, 45 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: and as a GM you kind of have to have 46 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: your hand in a little bit of everything. But certainly 47 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: the team on the field is the most important part 48 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: of this year and just making sure you're ready for 49 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: the playoffs, both roster wise and just intelligence wise. 50 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 4: You know, Tim, I want to go to the college 51 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 4: side because DJNI are so familiar with that part of it. 52 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 4: So now in the new landscape, before we used to 53 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 4: really treat conference championship games, bowl games were like that 54 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 4: last Look, how do you treat that now? When your 55 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 4: scouts are talking about conference games guys not playing in 56 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 4: bowl games? 57 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 2: Like, does it matter at all? Do you care? What's 58 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:22,399 Speaker 2: your state on that? Yeah? 59 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: I mean as far as not playing the games, that 60 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:25,399 Speaker 1: doesn't matter anymore. 61 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 2: But you're right. 62 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 1: I mean a while ago, like the bowl games were 63 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: great evaluation tools for players because they usually have a 64 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: time off in between their last regular season game and 65 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: the bowl game, so they're fresh, they're ready to go, 66 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: and it's usually a good opponent. 67 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 2: So it was a great evaluation of the players. 68 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: But nowadays so few NFL prospects playing the bowl games, 69 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 1: you kind of throw it out. 70 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 2: I mean, every now and. 71 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: Then you get lucky that, you know, you go to 72 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: a bowl game and you're seeing players maybe for two 73 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: years down the road. I was at the Holiday Bowl 74 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago when bow Nicks played against 75 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: Drake May. Okay, neither we're going to be in that 76 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: draft that just happened to be there to look at 77 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: other players, but mostly prospects that were eligible didn't play 78 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: in that game. Conference championship game is still great, you know, 79 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: because you're playing good versus good usually, So those are 80 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: those are good evaluation tools. And then you know, for 81 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 1: most of the college guys, the reports usually do and 82 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: you know about mid December, right about now, where you 83 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: have everything basically done conference shipship games. Now we'll extend 84 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: it for these playoff games because again it's good on good. 85 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: These are great evaluation views for players and start to 86 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: put the whole thing together and put a bow on it. 87 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 3: Later on, where'd you stand on the you know, whether 88 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 3: this is just one another data point or was there 89 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 3: more importance placed on what you saw, especially now that 90 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 3: we have a playoff Let's just focus on that. How 91 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 3: these guys perform in this setting. 92 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't want to have too much recency bias, 93 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: but it's you know, obviously a little easier last thing 94 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: you see sometimes you remember the most. But I think 95 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: it's important. I mean, these are big, pressurized games. I 96 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: was talking with somebody that the other day about about 97 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: Riley Lennard. You know, probably a Leonard went through the 98 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: playoffs last year. One playoff games, you know, you know, big, big, 99 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: big leverage games. So that was a great experience for 100 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: him as a quarterback. So yeah, I mean they're important, 101 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,119 Speaker 1: very important because you know that the pressure is there. 102 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: This isn't you know, you're you're not you're not playing 103 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: at enough CS school. So certainly a big part of 104 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: it is just but you do try and balance the 105 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: whole thing. It take their whole career, the whole body 106 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: of work, and and and go from there. 107 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 4: I'm glad you brought up Ridley Leonard because it's interesting 108 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 4: to watch him in the playoffs and then last week 109 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 4: I was on the field, but he got a chance 110 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 4: to start being Annapolis so and thinking back to his 111 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 4: playoff run and how he played Mendoza, Fernando Mendoz Is 112 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 4: don't have a chance to Simpsons, don't have a chance. 113 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 4: Some of these other quarterbacks don't have the chance to 114 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 4: make a last long push. Naymore like how do you 115 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 4: balance You talk about their recency balance, the recency bias, 116 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 4: but how do you balance these big games because they 117 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 4: are as close to an NFL game as. 118 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 2: You can get. Yeah, that's fucky that. 119 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: That's the great point is these games are like NFL 120 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: games because of the pressure around them, the amount of 121 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: eyes on them. 122 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 2: So yeah, they're big and and it's there. 123 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: It's you try and take the body of work, obviously, 124 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: but these playoff games are as much like an NFL 125 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: Every NFL game is a huge game. So these playoff games, 126 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 1: the caliber of the teams you're playing for those quarterbacks, 127 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: the caliber of the defenses they're going to play, the 128 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: amount of time those teams have to have time to 129 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: get ready, you know, to play, you know, to play 130 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: Indiana's offense, so he may see some things that he 131 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: didn't see during the regular season, which is like, which 132 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: is the way the NFL is every week. So yeah, 133 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: these are great tools. Thank god some of these quarterbacks 134 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: are playing in the playoffs. It just gives you more information. 135 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, it's going to be fun to fun evaluation 136 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,239 Speaker 3: opportunity for those guys. I want to take the bridge 137 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 3: from Riley Leonard to the guy who's going to be 138 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 3: replacing Riley len I shouldn't say guy said it's a 139 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 3: grandfather that's going to be replacing a Riley Leonard Philip Rivers. 140 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 2: Nobody knows him as well. 141 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 3: As you do, Tom, all the years you spent together 142 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 3: with the Chargers watching him play. I've tried to caution 143 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 3: people that have just laughed this whole thing off, versus saying, hey, 144 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 3: I know. I think it was like they're two touchdown 145 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 3: underdogs at Seattle. I know Seattle's defense and whether or not. 146 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 3: I'm like, look, the second week is another thing, and 147 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 3: see how his body can recover. 148 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 2: But maybe I'm in the minority. 149 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 3: I'm like, for one week, I think Philip Rivers might 150 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 3: be able to screen his. 151 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 2: Way to a close game up there in Seattle. 152 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: Tell you what, I was with Philip for seven years, 153 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: Shane Stiken for eight I should have known better this's 154 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: gonna happen. 155 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 2: I mean I was. 156 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: I was doing a live radio interview Monday morning before 157 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 1: any of this broke. I was on with Doug Gottlieb 158 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: and Fox Sports Radio and we're talking about Daniel Jones's 159 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: injury and he asked me, He's like, hey, do you 160 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: think the Colts would reach out to Philip Rivers? And 161 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: I gave him one of these I'm like, he's been 162 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: out a football for five years. 163 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 2: That's not gonna have. So that I talked about Riley 164 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 2: Leonard for a while. 165 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: I thought, Rolly Leonard played played really well last week, 166 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: So talk about Riley Leonard. And then I think a 167 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: couple hours later, it kind of comes out that Philip 168 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: was gonna work out for the Colts, and I'm like, oh, 169 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,239 Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be the expert analyst. 170 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 2: And I had no idea. 171 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what, from a fan standpoint, is fascinating. 172 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: When I put my GM hat on, I'm like, you know, 173 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: it's not just he's playing at forty four, it is 174 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: that he hasn't played in five years. So to me, 175 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: like the Time Brady comparison is not a comparison because 176 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: Time Brady was active the whole time. So, you know, 177 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: I was just concerned about, you know, the movement skill. 178 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: It's concerned about you know, reaction times. If you're off 179 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: just a millisecond. In the NFL, it's a big difference. 180 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: Concerned about soft tissue injury or worse. But then I 181 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: watched the press conference yesterday that Philip did and had 182 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: me convinced. 183 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 2: I'm like, let's hell, why not. 184 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: And that's the way Philip is like, I'm watching that 185 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking all the reasons why you maybe you 186 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: shouldn't do it. 187 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 2: And then I'm like, he's got me, like, yeah, let's go. 188 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 2: Let's see. That's how he plays, That's how he plays. 189 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 2: Don't worry about the results. Just go off there and 190 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 2: let it rip. Buck. That's this guy that must see TV. 191 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 2: I can't wait watch I cannot wait to watch it either. 192 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 4: Man, I'm so I'm so skeered for him, just in 193 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 4: terms of like everybody who's ever played anything always believed 194 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 4: they still got a little left, and I'm just worried. 195 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 4: Five years away from the game Philip talked about, I'm 196 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 4: not at my playing weight, I'm about twenty miles. I 197 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 4: just I'm just fearful of him having to move around 198 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 4: and something bad happened. Even though I love the Maxie, 199 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 4: I love his gun slinging ways all of that, I'm 200 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 4: just really concerned about him being able to survive a 201 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 4: game and then going to the next We're gonna have 202 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 4: to play another one. 203 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: Actually, Like like DJ said, it's not just this game 204 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 1: is the recovery for the next one, the next next, 205 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: oneter that, It's just it's gonna be tired, But I 206 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: can't wait to watch it. 207 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 2: I really can't. 208 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was joking with somebody this morning that, you know, 209 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 3: back in the day, we used to have you know, 210 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 3: you have your practice, your two hour practice, and we 211 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 3: had a ten minute screen period. I said, this is 212 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 3: going to be a ten two hour screen period with 213 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 3: ten minutes of other football sprinkled in there. 214 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 2: Everything. You hit that ball out quick. 215 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean their offensive line is very good. They 216 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: have Jonathan Taylor is going to get a ton of work, 217 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: which is a good thing. They've got Josh Downs, they 218 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: they can run some screens with Michael Pittman's there, and 219 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: they've got Tyler Warren. I mean, he has all the 220 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: pieces around him. If this is gonna work, that that 221 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 1: that can help them. So yeah, I can't wait to 222 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: watch this against Seattle. 223 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 3: Oh man, this buck. We haven't seen anything like this man. 224 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 3: And by the way, that the Tom Brady thing that 225 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 3: Island Phillip's not a big I don't think he's a 226 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 3: big avocado toast. I don't think he's you know, doing 227 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 3: all that stuff. I don't think he's sleeping in a 228 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 3: hyperbaric chamber. Doesn't really sound like that's a River's style. 229 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 4: I do have a question Tom, like with an older player, 230 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 4: because one thing that Philip has, he has experience and 231 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 4: expertise because he's seen everything that they could throw their way. 232 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 4: Is it possible that the one advantage that he gives 233 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 4: the Colts is their ability to improve their running game 234 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 4: because he can check in and out things that Riley 235 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 4: Leonard hasn't seen. Philip being able to dominate the line 236 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 4: of scrimmage in terms of getting them in the. 237 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 2: Right call could be a yeah, that's a great point. 238 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: Just getting in you know, second and twelve is not good, 239 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: Second and six is good, you know, So it's just 240 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: getting it, you know, like you said, out of a 241 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: bad play he gets, he gets the wrong look, makes 242 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: a change, you know, picks up four or five yards 243 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: on first down. 244 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no doubt. 245 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: I mean, there's no more coach on the field than 246 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: what Philip is going to be literally and figurative is 247 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 1: a coach. 248 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 2: Yes, what I mean. 249 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: And with him and Shane, I mean they're running North 250 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: Turner's offense and basically they could finish each other's sentence 251 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: as it becomes x's and nose, so it you know, 252 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: would be really fun to be on the headsets to 253 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: listen to Shane. You know, now, now Philip can't talk back, 254 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: and the headset you can only hear, I mean, you can. 255 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 2: Mike him up. He's got to be miked up for this. 256 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 2: That would be a. 257 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: Tremendous viewing just to listen to that throughout the game 258 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: of those two kind of going through the game plan, 259 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: you know, in real time. 260 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would imagine with the you know, all these 261 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 3: teams having their own media company basically in house, that 262 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 3: they hopefully document this thing all the way. 263 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: Hopefully, but no matter way he goes, I can tell 264 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: you from experience, he doesn't like being miked up in 265 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: most quarterbacks. Most quarterbacks don't to do it, don't like it. 266 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: They all have to do it once a year. So 267 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: maybe you know, he's got four games left, he can 268 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: have to do it for one of these four, the 269 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: first one. 270 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I hope they do it, man, I want to. 271 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 2: I want to hear it so bad. 272 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 3: By the way, I got asked to play in a 273 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 3: high school baseball alumni game. 274 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 2: I think it was maybe end of December, first of January. 275 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:29,839 Speaker 3: I mean, and I'm four, I just turned forty eight, 276 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 3: there was not even a one percent interest in ever. 277 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 3: And this is baseball, this is where you can just 278 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 3: kind of jog around the bases or what have you. 279 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 3: I'm like, there is no chance. That sounds so unappealing 280 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 3: and I would really hurt myself. I cannot going to 281 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 3: play the NFL game at this point, Diamonds Nuts. 282 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 2: I really can't. 283 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: Philip does have a field behind his south a Field, 284 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: turf field, so between that and the high school practice field, like, 285 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: like you said, like he's been actively involved in football, 286 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: just you know, not at the end, I felt, you know, 287 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,719 Speaker 1: grind level, but he's been actively involved, you know, since 288 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,559 Speaker 1: the day he walked off from the Colts last time. 289 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 2: Yeah again, I mentioned this the other day. 290 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 3: My favorite story, and it's a rumor at this point, 291 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 3: I don't know if it's actually true, is that he 292 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 3: had to get his cleats out of his trophy case 293 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:15,319 Speaker 3: before he went to. 294 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 2: Because he wears those special he wears. 295 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 3: Those special shoes were like rebox or whatever, those like 296 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 3: old school shoes that he wore. So, man, it's gonna 297 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 3: be fun. Let's take a quick break and we'll come 298 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 3: back with some more with Tom Telesco. All right, Tom, 299 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 3: let's get into some of these other teams here and 300 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 3: uh and where we are heading into the playoffs. You 301 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 3: mentioned Drake may and and Bo Nicks a minute ago. Man, 302 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 3: we've got some second year quarterbacks Caleb Williams in that 303 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 3: mix as well. We've got, you know, some of the 304 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 3: better teams around him this year. I know there was 305 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 3: that you know, is that Russell Wilson period where Seattle 306 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 3: was making that run and it was the common analysis was, Man, 307 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 3: when you're not paying your quarterback, it's amazing the roster 308 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 3: you can build up around him. 309 00:12:57,800 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 2: And I don't I don't see how this is any different. 310 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 3: I look what New England did and free agency and 311 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 3: how aggressive and how bold they were. Look those other 312 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 3: teams and I mean, look at Chicago rebuilt their offensive 313 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 3: line in one off season. Denver's just continued to add 314 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 3: more pieces on both sides of the ball. And people can, 315 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 3: you know, look at other other reasons of why this 316 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 3: is working. But man, it turns out, when you get 317 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 3: to pay your quarterback, you know a few percentage of 318 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 3: what you're going to have to pay once that second 319 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 3: contract comes, you can build a heck of a roster. 320 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: You know what was cool with New England was you know, 321 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: they spent a lot of money. They spent a lot 322 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: of money in defense, essentially bought a new defense, but 323 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: they spent on the right players. 324 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 2: I mean, it's just like college with nil money. 325 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: You can have all the money in the world, but 326 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: if you spend on the wrong players, it doesn't you know, 327 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: it's not going to work. So watching what New England 328 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: did on defense, I thought on offense, I didn't think 329 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: they were going to have enough around Drake May yet. 330 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 2: But they've done tremendous. You know, they've got two rookie 331 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 2: offensive linemen. 332 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 1: You know, they say, have Stefan Diggs there, Hunter Henry's 333 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: having a great year. You know, we've drafted Hunter when 334 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: we were in San Diego of all places, that's how 335 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: long he's been around. 336 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 2: He's but he's just the perfect type. 337 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 1: Style of player for for Drake May because he always 338 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: knows he's going to be exactly where he has to 339 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: be all the time, and he's reliable and he's gonna 340 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: catch the football. 341 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 2: So but yeah, they've done a tremendous job. 342 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: And then watching Caleb Williams, what I like about his 343 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: situation is he's not being asked to carry the whole offense. 344 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: I mean their identity is a running football team running 345 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: for almost one hundred and fifty yards a game, uh 346 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: DeAndre Swift. And then and then the Rutgers back home 347 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: manage like those. That's a really two headed monster compliment. 348 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: And then you know when when Caleb has to pull 349 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: a rabbit out of a hat and run around and 350 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: make play with this big time athletic ability, he can 351 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: do it. Now he still has to keep coming along 352 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: in the pocket, you know, anticipation and accuracy, and it 353 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: has improved. What I like is that haven't taken away 354 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: his unstructured play, but it's it's a running offense. The 355 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: offensive line, like you said, is just has been rebuilt. 356 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: And you know, as a young player is not being 357 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: asked to carry the w offense. And you know, I 358 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: can't say enough about what Ben Johnson's done for the 359 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: whole team, but certainly on offense. 360 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 4: There you know time I would ask you because in 361 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 4: talking about the second year quarterbacks, a guy who was 362 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 4: getting a lot of attention has been JJ McCarthy. He's 363 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 4: so polarizing because he was taken early, but he's only 364 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 4: played seven games. How long do you play this out, 365 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 4: like what's the magic number with starts before you can 366 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 4: make a decision to go forward with him or do 367 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 4: we need to go back and start looking at another 368 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 4: option at quarterback. 369 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it's been hard with them just you know, 370 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: just because well two reasons. One, in college he didn't 371 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: have the volume of passes those other guys had. It's 372 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: just the offense that he was in, so you know, 373 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: there was still a lot of development that had to 374 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: take place. But then the problem is he's been injured 375 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: a lot. You know, not only the ACL last year, 376 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: which is basically a red shirt ear, but it's not 377 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: a redsher ear where you can keep practicing. It's a 378 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: retro ear where you're just rehabbing the whole time. Then 379 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: he come into this year and you're essentially a rookie again. 380 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: But then he's had some other injuries that have slowed 381 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: him down. So he just doesn't have a big enough 382 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: body of work. Yet you've seen flashes of what he 383 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: can do. I mean, he's a really good athlete, he's 384 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: got some moxie to him, he's a leader, but he's 385 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: still has a lot of work to do. So certainly 386 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: you got you have all of this year, and I 387 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: guess we'll see how he finishes as you go to 388 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: next year, you do you bring in competition or not. 389 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: They know him better than we do. I still think 390 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: there's a lot of upside there. It's just that he's 391 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: just been behind so much with the injuries. And when 392 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: you're here, you can't practice. When you can't practice, you 393 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: can't get better. So but there's still enough there that 394 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: he saw on college. You see what with Minnesota, he's 395 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: got an outstanding head. 396 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 2: Coach to work with. Where that magic number is, I 397 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 2: don't have a good answer for that. 398 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 3: I want to get to another another quarterback in that 399 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 3: group that I don't think has been talked about at all, 400 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 3: and partially because. 401 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 2: He's hurt, and that's Penix. You know, Tom. 402 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 3: When you're going through that draft process, it was a 403 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 3: big part of the discussion was the durability concerns. And 404 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 3: he's been hurt, you know, having be able to finish 405 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:02,119 Speaker 3: all these years multiple you know, knees, and then unfortunately 406 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 3: here we are and it's it's kind of it's born 407 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 3: out here. He's he's got injury issues and and I 408 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 3: guess the question would be, if you think in your career. 409 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 3: Can you think of times where it's benefited you to 410 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 3: ignore some of the injury concerns and other times where 411 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 3: you can look at it and say, man, the signs 412 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 3: were right in front of us. 413 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 2: Why didn't we heed the warning signs? You can never 414 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 2: ignore it, you just can't. 415 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: It's it's it's you know, when you're when you're selecting players, 416 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: trying to mitigate your risk on a lot of these 417 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: and some of the biggest risk is is players with 418 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: with either chronic injuries or or heavy durability issues. So 419 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: it's always talked about at every position. It can never 420 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: be ignored. It's it's it's probably the biggest part of 421 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: the draft process that nobody talks about and nobody sees 422 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: and they shouldn't. You know, you're talking about, you know, 423 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: medical files on players. It's a big part of it 424 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: when we're talking about selecting players. So with with with 425 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: Michael Pennix, there wasn't a lot of downside with his ability. 426 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 1: The only issue, like you said, with just the amount 427 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,959 Speaker 1: of injuries. And you know, there's two ways to look 428 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: at it. You can say, well, look, yeah, he's had 429 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 1: a lot of injuries in college. But with the things 430 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: he has, they're all healed, they're not chronic. He'll be 431 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: fine once you get to college. Every once gets to 432 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: the pros like these aren't going to carry over. But 433 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: you know, when you have that many injuries, there's a 434 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: pattern to it. So because when he's healthy, he can play, 435 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: I mean, he can rip it, he's got good arm strength, 436 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: he's accurate, he can make quick decisions. 437 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 2: He's athletic enough. 438 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 1: But if you're the Falcons, I mean next year, you know, 439 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: there's no guarantee he's ready for opening days. So you 440 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: know they're going to have to probably look at the 441 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,400 Speaker 1: quarterback market more likely probably the draft. If you really 442 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: think about it, there's not going to be a lot 443 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: in free agency. If you look at who's available, there's 444 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: not a lot. So depending where Kirk Cousins is next year, 445 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: if he's still there, if he's going somewhere else, or 446 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: if he retires, they're going to have to have an 447 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: answer a quarterback, and you can't rely on Penis even 448 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: if he's ready to go opening day. You're going to 449 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: have to have somebody else behind him that can play, 450 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: not just like a young practice squad type backup, because 451 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: you just know guarantee is going to stay healthy. 452 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 4: You know, time I'm marine, you had to help me 453 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 4: with a little homework that I'm doing because the one 454 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 4: thing that you will learn in the media business, people 455 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 4: love grades. 456 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 2: So I've been tasked with grading the rookie first rounders. 457 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 4: Now you and DJ know that every first rounder is 458 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 4: there's different levels top ten versus the middle, twelve versus 459 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 4: the last part. We have different expectations for those guys. 460 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 4: As a general manager, how do you evaluate a rookie 461 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 4: at the end of that first year? Is it due 462 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 4: to expectation? What are the things that you're looking for 463 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 4: to see from a rookie over the course of his 464 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 4: first year. 465 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: You know, I don't get hung up on where the 466 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: player is picked, and that's the sliding grading scale. 467 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 2: I don't get hung up on that. 468 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: But with all your rookies, first of all, you're looking 469 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: for just are they going to contribute on your roster 470 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 1: in your one You know, that's the biggest thing. Can 471 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: that find a role? Obviously with the quarterbacks is different. 472 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: They're probably going to be a starter, but was there 473 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: development during the year. It's very subjective. It'd be hard 474 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: to put a grade on that because like I said, 475 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: just well, all evaluations are really subjective. You can always 476 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 1: blend in the data behind it, but a lot of 477 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: the subjective. You want to blend the two together. But 478 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: if you're looking at your rookie class, like I just 479 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: want to see guys that that earned roles, contributed and 480 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: that got better through the course of the year. And 481 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: the hard thing with rookies, and we're going to see 482 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: it right now once get to December. First, it is 483 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: such a long season. It's a grueling year. Every week 484 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: is a tough week. Every opponent they play is a 485 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: top level player. I mean you talk about say a 486 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 1: college offensive tackle. It doesn't even even in the SEC. 487 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: He's not going against NFL rushers every week. He's going 488 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: against some, but not every week. In this league, there's 489 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 1: big time rushers on both sides every single week. So 490 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: trying to get used to that pattern for the young 491 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: guys and then you move into December. But you just 492 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: want to see objective improvement, I guess as. 493 00:20:58,680 --> 00:20:59,239 Speaker 2: Much as you can. 494 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 3: Is there a position where you thought more patients was 495 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 3: required than others where it's just the learning curve there 496 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 3: is so great. 497 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: Is there one that stands out to you well, certainly quarterback. 498 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 1: I used to think it was receiver, but there's been 499 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: more receivers that have come in early and contributed early. 500 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 1: It used to be as a receiver you come in 501 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,360 Speaker 1: there's just a big adjustment period. There's so many things 502 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 1: going on pre snap that they have to know and 503 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: then post snap as far adjusting routes. But I think, honestly, 504 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,239 Speaker 1: I think with the advent of so much seven at 505 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: seven in high school in the summertime, and collegers throw 506 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: the ball so much more than they used to a 507 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 1: long time ago, that that transition is a little easier now. 508 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: But certainly quarterback and then to me, the second would 509 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: be offensive line. There's just so many techniques and tools 510 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 1: of the trade that you learn that just takes time 511 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 1: and takes development over a number of years. So those 512 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: are probably the two positions. Defense a little bit easier 513 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: to probably transition. You know, you can always fall back 514 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 1: to seatball, getball, but I say, off, it's a blind 515 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: and quarterback. 516 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 4: Man that is That was always my thing. DJ, What 517 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 4: was your what was your challenging position as an even 518 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 4: mean it was oh, in terms. 519 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 2: Of challenging position for me, it was always safety. Okay, Yeah, 520 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 2: it was always hard, just because like old one was 521 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 2: always hard for me. 522 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's safety's gotten. I'll tell you what the batting 523 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 3: average on safety don't know or you how? This would 524 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 3: be a good question for Tom of how you how 525 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 3: you watch it because it used to be when we're 526 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 3: all growing up, we were all taught, Hey, four games. 527 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 3: You need four games and make an evaluation on a guy. 528 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 3: You got to watch four games, and I can watch 529 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 3: four games. You can watch four different games. We have 530 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 3: totally wildly different opinions, but with the ability to cut 531 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 3: up the tape now as efficiently as we can, like 532 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 3: safeties for me personally, like I've seen what was what 533 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 3: I had had a lower batting average previously since I've 534 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 3: been able to watch all the cutups, so to see 535 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 3: an entire season of key plays all the way through. 536 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 3: I don't do that for any positions, but the safety 537 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 3: position I do, and I found out I'd rather watch 538 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 3: an entire season of key plays, you know, basically a 539 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 3: hit tape versus you know, randomly selecting four games for 540 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 3: a safety where he might be in the parking lot, 541 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 3: you know, not seeing it. 542 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 1: That's the entire that's the thing as safety is is, Yeah, 543 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: there's a lot of snaps where they're just not involved. 544 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 2: So I agree with you, like you need a lot 545 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 2: of games for a safety. 546 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: They really feel good about your evaluation, probably more so 547 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: than any other position. 548 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 2: But the fun thing with safeties is and plus, the 549 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 2: safety position has really evolved in the NFL right now. 550 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: I mean you have to be able to tackle and 551 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: play the run game almost like a linebacker, but then 552 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: you have to be able to cover like a corner. 553 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 2: So there are obviously the good ones. They're very hard 554 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 2: to find. 555 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: Is it takes a really wide skill set, but it 556 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 1: does take a lot of games at that position, just because, yeah, 557 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,719 Speaker 1: there's a lot of times it's a two deep safety 558 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: he's just backpedal and nothing's going on in front of him. 559 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: You may not have a run support responsibility. So as 560 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: far as a moni game tape, it takes a lot. 561 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: And then with the offensive line, I was the same 562 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: When I first started scouting, the offensive line to me 563 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: was a bit foreign. And when I was with the Colts, 564 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: I sat down with Howard Mudd, who's one of the 565 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: best that they've done it as far as all offensive 566 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: line coaches, and I learned so much from him, not 567 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: just sitting down with them, but just spending time with 568 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 1: him over the years when I was on pro scouting 569 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: at that point, and just learning all the things that 570 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: he would look for in that position. And now I 571 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: feel like I love doing offensive lineman. I love doing centers. 572 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: Centers to me, I really, I mean sounds kind of 573 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 1: kind of nerdish for football wise. I love watching centers 574 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: play the levers, the quickness, the pulling, the movement. So 575 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: most of the stuff I learned on offensive line play 576 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: came from Howard. 577 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 4: I think what's interesting about offensive line more than any 578 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 4: other position, what actually plays and sticks in the league 579 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 4: is so different. When you're a college scout and you're 580 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 4: on the road, you have this ideal of what plays 581 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 4: on Sunday, and two you're in the league. 582 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 2: For a while and you're like, this guy's this guy's 583 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 2: an eight year player. 584 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,679 Speaker 4: There's just so many different things that can enable an 585 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 4: offensive lineman to have success because some of it is 586 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 4: the cohesion with their buddies and how they utilize their 587 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 4: neighbors on the inside, and your intelligence and all that 588 00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 4: other stuff. 589 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, the key to me as always, especially with offensive linemen, 590 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: because there's no perfect lineman, like they all have a 591 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 1: little weakness somewhere and try and decide already has a flaw. 592 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 1: Is it a fatal flaw that is probably going to 593 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 1: really limit his ability to play in the league, or 594 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: is it a flaw that we can kind of get over. 595 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: And those are some things when you're watching, say a 596 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: really athletic tackle who has some problems anchoring with his 597 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: lower body strength. 598 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 2: Well, okay, we have to decide is this a flaw that. 599 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 1: He can get over with a little bit of technique 600 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: in teaching, or is this is a fatal flaw where 601 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: he just is not going to be able to anchor 602 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: in the NFL. And that's what scouts get paid for, 603 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: that's what we all get paid for to try and 604 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: to figure that out, because I guess there's no perfect prospects. 605 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: They all have their flaws somewhere. You have to decide 606 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: which are fatal on which are livable. 607 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 2: No doubt, I want to change gears here. 608 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 3: As we're getting ready to wrap up, Tom was having 609 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 3: this conversation earlier today about these four defenses Houston, Denver, 610 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 3: Seattle and the Rams for elite. 611 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 2: Elite defense is the way they're playing right now. 612 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,360 Speaker 3: I want to ask you to rank them, but I'm 613 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 3: just curious, is there any through line in there when 614 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 3: you look at the way Houston plays defense, the Broncos, Seattle, 615 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 3: and the Rams, whatever, what is it those guys maybe 616 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 3: share as for the. 617 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 2: Pre eminent defenses in the league right now. Talent a 618 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 2: little bit of that, yeah, I mean, I mean really 619 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 2: all four of those keep its simple. 620 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: They play fast and physical, and they get people around 621 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: the ball and they rush the passer. And then in 622 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: the passing game when balls are completed, there's not a 623 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: whole lot of run after catch. I mean you've got 624 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 1: multiple people with the right leverage really limiting that. And 625 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: you know, just watching the Texans the other day, I mean, 626 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 1: their secondary is outstanding. I love Jalen Petrie. He's one 627 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 1: of those players, like he's outstanding in the run game. 628 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: You know, his speed for the position and coverage is 629 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: probably an average where he's got such great instincts that 630 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,479 Speaker 1: he can kind of overcome that. And then Kaylen Bullock 631 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: can just cover so much ground. You know, in centerfield 632 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 1: they have two great corners. So but yeah, those teams 633 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: are really loaded talent wise, But I think it's the 634 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: speed of what they play and the physicalness and aggressiveness, 635 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: but not making mistakes with it. Like a lot of 636 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: times we play play overly aggressive, you overrun a play 637 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: or you know, something like that. 638 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 2: But it doesn't seem to happen with them very often. 639 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,360 Speaker 2: They're in the right place at the right time. 640 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 1: And as we get into the playoffs, you got to 641 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: have defense, especially when the elements start, you know, creeping in. 642 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 2: So you know, but those those four are you know, 643 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 2: by far tops in the league. 644 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 3: I want to want to tag that real quick because 645 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 3: it's going through And we were talking about this buck 646 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 3: on a previous episode. We were talking about with Houston 647 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 3: investing in their front to be able to win with four, 648 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 3: but then but then pairing that up with a bunch 649 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 3: of guys with ball skills. Both those safeties coming out 650 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 3: of college had a ton of production and ball skills 651 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 3: and awareness. Look at the corners that they had with 652 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 3: Lasseter and obviously with Stingley, guys who could really really 653 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 3: play the football. They've married that up well. And we 654 00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 3: kind of go through the rest of these teams. They're 655 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 3: in the exact same boat. They all have ways where 656 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,199 Speaker 3: you know, Denver will send extra rushers, but they can 657 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 3: win with their front and everybody in the back end 658 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 3: can find and play the ball. And Seattle you saw 659 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 3: with Riek Wall in his first year and he hasn't 660 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 3: approximately that same production. But Witherspoon can really really play 661 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 3: the ball. We're seeing it with Emon Warri kind of 662 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 3: getting his hands on balls as well now. But to me, 663 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,239 Speaker 3: it's interesting Tom how they've married those two things up 664 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 3: really really well. 665 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, not only that, but having more than just perimeter rush, 666 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 2: they have an inside rush. Zach Allen is outstanding. 667 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: Seattle has a ton of inside rushers, so getting that 668 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 1: inside whether it's push or winning a gap, so when 669 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: the edge rushers come up the field, the quarterback can't 670 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: step up. He's got nowhere to go. But yeah, I 671 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: mean they're really well constructed all for of those teams, 672 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: and then obviously well coached. 673 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 2: You know. 674 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 4: I think the thing DJ has talked about it a 675 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 4: lot is the thing that kind of change over the 676 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 4: course of our time and scouts dbs that can legitimately tackle. 677 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 4: Tackling is now evaluated at a premium where before guys 678 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 4: will be like, oh, he's a cover corner. Not play 679 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 4: with a guy that does not have tackling skills in 680 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 4: this league. All those teams that you talk about great 681 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 4: tackling teams, is rare that those guys miss one on 682 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 4: one tackles in space. 683 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, because if you're a corner who can't tackle, now, 684 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: offenses they're smart, they're going to target you. We're gonna 685 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: run at the perimeter. We're going to force you to tackle. 686 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: So that's why it is hard nowadays if you're a 687 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: pure cover corner. But if you're you know, five nine, 688 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: five ten, one hundred and eighty pounds but run four 689 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: to three, but you have a hard time in the 690 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: run game, then you'd become a target. 691 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 2: For the offense. 692 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: So those days of having those those uh, those nickel 693 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: corners that are cover only that hey, don't worry about 694 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: the run game. Well, look you're playing nickel most of 695 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: the game. Anyways, that nickel has to be able to tackle, 696 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: has to. 697 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, they'll bring them in, they're gonna put they're gonna 698 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 3: bunch it up, and they're going to leave you unblocked 699 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 3: and block everybody else and say, okay, it's all you. 700 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 3: You want to do this, You want to you really 701 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 3: want to see this two hundred and twenty pounds back 702 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 3: and see what you're all about here, you know, And that's. 703 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: Been the advent of so many teams, you know, so 704 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: many teams playing cover four and two shell, you know, 705 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: try and take away the explosive throws. So offenses are smart, like, look, 706 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: if you're gonna play two shell, then we're gonna start 707 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: running more power. We're gonna come at you in the 708 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: run game. That's I think that's why we're seeing the 709 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: you know, more running plays now than ever. It's a 710 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: cat and mouse game the whole way between offensive defense. 711 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: But hey, look we're gonna run more power, We're gonna 712 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: come out here. We're gonna make you tackle from me inside. 713 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think DJ what's happening is because of that, 714 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 4: we're running the little guys off the field. It's hard 715 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 4: over the course of the season to have a five 716 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 4: to nine hundred and seventy five nickel make tackle af 717 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 4: to tackle over seventeen games. It's just hard to physically 718 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 4: hold up if you have to be incorporated or implemented 719 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 4: into the ground game. 720 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 3: Unless you're a Rondez Barber. Yeah, exactly, that's all dam Yeah, 721 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 3: there's a there's a couple of those Winfield. Oh yeah, 722 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 3: it was one of those. Well he was not he 723 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 3: was not scared of that. Fel far between. They're hard 724 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 3: to find, made no doubt. Hey Tom, this has been 725 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 3: fun man. It's it's always great to catch up with you. 726 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 3: As we kind of get towards the spring, will hit 727 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 3: you up because we want to talk about some of 728 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 3: these draft prospects. I know, you get a chance to 729 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 3: dig in on that from a thirty thousand foot in 730 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 3: view as you go out the door, though, is there 731 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 3: any initial takeaway you have from what we're getting ready 732 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 3: to see in this upcoming draft class? 733 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: You know, the it's always I mean, first of all, 734 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: it's always quarterbacks right now, Like at least high it's 735 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: a lot of defensive players. That's That's what I've kind 736 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: of noticed, number one quarterbacks wise. I was just looking 737 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: at the teams that are going to need quarterbacks, and 738 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: the amount of quarterbacks are available, either through freegency or 739 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: the draft, it's not going to line up with supplying demand. 740 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 2: So that's gonna be really interesting. 741 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be a ton of activity in 742 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: the top of the draft because you know, well, and 743 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: we'll see who comes out and who doesn't. You know 744 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: now with nil the way it is, you know, quarterback 745 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: and stay in school, get more development and get paid 746 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: and maybe you know, get ready for the NFL for 747 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: another year. So we'll see who declares first. But just 748 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: off the cuff, looks like a really strong defensive draft 749 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,719 Speaker 1: number one. Yeah, that's where I am in the process 750 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: to lots of defensive linemen. So it's going to be 751 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: fun to get into those names with you as we 752 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: get a little bit closer to the spring. 753 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 3: This has been a fun one. I hope you guys 754 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 3: have enjoyed it. Tom, you're the best buddy, and we'll 755 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 3: get you back out here as often as we can. 756 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 3: Appreciate you. 757 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 2: Thanks. 758 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 4: There we go. 759 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 2: That's it. We'll see you next time right here on 760 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:19,959 Speaker 2: moving sticks.