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Speaker 1: andrews Arian. Hey, we got a lot to get into
Speaker 1: here today, not the least of which is the passing
Speaker 1: of the Iron Chic. And normally Mike Simber VV joins
Speaker 1: us for the show, but he has the day off
Speaker 1: today and joining us will be Lance Storm, who has
Speaker 1: met the Iron Sheek. He's gonna talk to us about
Speaker 1: the Sheic. We'll tell you about his career and plenty more.
Speaker 1: It is also Wednesday on the show, so you know
Speaker 1: what that means. Last night was NXT. We'll do the
Speaker 1: NXT report later on here today day, we've got the
Speaker 1: lineup for aw tonight. Six segments have now been announced
Speaker 1: for the show, including another TBS Championship match, as Chris
Speaker 1: stat Lanner will be facing Anna j. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: the full lineup for the show coming up tonight. And yes,
Speaker 1: another major announcement from Tony Khan, which I believe is
Speaker 1: five weeks in a row, we've had a major announcement
Speaker 1: from Tony Khan. We've also got the raw ratings from
Speaker 1: Monday night with no NBA Playoff competition, and there is
Speaker 1: a lot of competition tonight for Dynamite, So when that
Speaker 1: number comes in tomorrow, to not be expecting some gigantic
Speaker 1: number for Dynamite, because it ain't gonna happen. We've also
Speaker 1: got to the Strong Independence Day lineup. This is the
Speaker 1: new Japan Strong show which is taking place in Japan
Speaker 1: on Independence Day and well on July fourth and fifth.
Speaker 1: And we have also got a couple of a w
Speaker 1: wrestlers are gonna be working on that show. We have
Speaker 1: also got an update on two of the NIL athletes
Speaker 1: we're all over NXT yesterday. They clearly want to get
Speaker 1: those two signed and uh NXT notes as noted and
Speaker 1: everything else. If you want to text us you have
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Speaker 1: Mike Simbervidi, also of Wrestling Observer dot Com. Hossane cosro VISII,
Speaker 1: better known wrestling fans the Iron Cheek, passed away eighty
Speaker 1: one years old. His official Twitter account revealed the news
Speaker 1: on Wednesday, says, remembering the Iron Cheek today, we gather
Speaker 1: with heavy hearts to bid farewell to a true legend,
Speaker 1: force of nature, iconic figure who left an incredible mark
Speaker 1: on the world of pro wrestling. He was with great
Speaker 1: sadness we share the news of the passing of the
Speaker 1: Iron Chic, but we also take solace in knowing that
Speaker 1: he departed this world peacefully, leaving minor legacy that will
Speaker 1: endure for generations to come. Beyond the rustling persona the
Speaker 1: world knew so well, The Iron Cheek was a devoted
Speaker 1: family man, cherish the love and support of his wife
Speaker 1: of forty seven years, Carol, stood by his side through
Speaker 1: thick and thin, offering unwavering encouragement throughout his life. Their
Speaker 1: bond was an anchor, providing him with the strength of
Speaker 1: faith the face of the challenges life presented. His children, Tanya, Nikki, Marissa,
Speaker 1: his son in law Eddie. He was not just a
Speaker 1: wrestling icon. He was a loving and dedicated father, instilled
Speaker 1: in them the values of perseverance, determination, the importance of
Speaker 1: following their dreams. The aronschieks, guidance and unwavering belief in
Speaker 1: their potential served as a driving force for his children,
Speaker 1: empowering them to become better visions of themselves. Then they've
Speaker 1: got a bunch of notes here on his career. Of course,
Speaker 1: He ended the one thousand, four hundred and seventy day
Speaker 1: reign of Bob Backland beat him for the belt December
Speaker 1: twenty sixth, nineteen eighty three, which was of course, to
Speaker 1: set up the win by Hulk Hogan twenty eight days later,
Speaker 1: as Hogan won the title kicked off Hulk of Mania.
Speaker 1: He had a WWF tag team title run the first
Speaker 1: rustle Mania. He had that biography the Chic. Of course,
Speaker 1: like fifteen years ago or so, he did that podcast
Speaker 1: which literally, I mean after that podcast came out where
Speaker 1: he just was ranting and raving I mean he got
Speaker 1: like a probably a straight decade of bookings off that podcast.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I remember just very quickly. You know, I
Speaker 1: started watching wrestling regularly in like eighty eight, eighty nine,
Speaker 1: and so you know, I did not see a lot
Speaker 1: of the Iron Chic. You know, he would make appearances
Speaker 1: here and there, and then he had that They had
Speaker 1: the famous I think it was the two thousand or
Speaker 1: two thousand and one WrestleMania when they had the Legends
Speaker 1: Battle Royal seventeen and they, of course they announced all
Speaker 1: of these legends, and I predicted that the Legends Battle
Speaker 1: Royal would be won by the Iron Chic because I
Speaker 1: saw the list of all of the legends and I
Speaker 1: was like, there's one guy who they ain't gonna be
Speaker 1: able to get over that top rope, and that's the
Speaker 1: Iron Chic. And in fact, that is exactly what happened.
Speaker 1: And it's really amazing when you think about all of
Speaker 1: the issues, the substance abuse issues and everything else that
Speaker 1: the Iron Cheek had and the fact that you know,
Speaker 1: it was like twenty five years ago. It was like,
Speaker 1: this guy is gonna be able to out of a
Speaker 1: Battle Royal and then you know, he just continued on
Speaker 1: and he lived through twenty twenty three, eighty one years old.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's really incredible when you think about it.
Speaker 1: And anyway, the point of when I first saw the
Speaker 1: Sheik was years later. I went back and I was
Speaker 1: watching somebody had sent a tape or something, and it
Speaker 1: was a tape from Portland Wrestling, and this would have
Speaker 1: been from probably the late seventies early eighties, and the
Speaker 1: Iron Chek was in this match, and the heat for
Speaker 1: this match was like impossible, and the Iron Chic was
Speaker 1: so lean and so mobile, and I just watched this
Speaker 1: guy that went, my god, look at this guy when
Speaker 1: he was young. He was absolutely incredible. And of course,
Speaker 1: you know a lot of amateur wrestling, a lot of
Speaker 1: pro wrestling, and a lot of living in the eighties
Speaker 1: and nineties. I mean, it takes a toll on a guy.
Speaker 1: But like if your first memories of the Iron Cheek
Speaker 1: were like that Battle Royal where they couldn't even get
Speaker 1: the guy out of the ring, you got to go
Speaker 1: back and watch some vintage, as Michael Cole would say,
Speaker 1: vintage Iron Cheek, because he was an incredible, incredible athlete.
Speaker 1: But Lance is joining us here today on the show
Speaker 1: and Lance you've met the Iron Cheek.
Speaker 2: Yeah, memories, But I want to mention the there was
Speaker 2: a documentary. I think it was out on iTunes Aria
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: The documentary came.
Speaker 2: Out and it's phenomenal. And when you realize all the
Speaker 2: things this man did, you know, being a bodyguard for
Speaker 2: the Shaw of Iran, you know, competing for the Iranian
Speaker 2: Olympic team in amateur wrestling, it's like he was. He
Speaker 2: was a badass dude and really, especially when he had hair,
Speaker 2: you know, a young man, a real handsome man at that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I like you first saw him in wrestling
Speaker 2: when he was tagging with Chic sorry, tagging with Volkov
Speaker 2: she Can Volkov managed by Slick. That was sort of
Speaker 2: my first experience him as a fan. But I met
Speaker 2: him at a local show here, just an independent PWA show,
Speaker 2: and I chatted with him for a while. He was
Speaker 2: I think he was in a wheelchair, but he could
Speaker 2: still stand and walk, just not a lot because the
Speaker 2: photo I have of him were standing. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: remember him showing me his knee. He'd pull his pant
Speaker 2: leg up and sitting in the chair with his knee bent.
Speaker 2: At ninety degrees, he could grab his calf and basically
Speaker 2: just move his whole bottom leg forward like an inch
Speaker 2: or more, and it's just like, well, yeah, like it
Speaker 2: almost like it wasn't detached and just the muscles were
Speaker 2: holding it. He could slide the bottom part of his
Speaker 2: leg forward like his knee.
Speaker 1: Was like his shin is his tibula, The lower.
Speaker 2: Half of his leg at the ninety degrees could just
Speaker 2: like you're pulling the leg out from underneath the table.
Speaker 2: It was weird, God, But yeah, if you mentioned the
Speaker 2: seventeen Battle Royal, my wife had the same logic. But
Speaker 2: I checked I with someone this morning, and it's unfortunate,
Speaker 2: but I guess that was his penultimate match. He had
Speaker 2: one other independent match, a handicapped match where he probably
Speaker 2: didn't do anything after that. But it's a shame his
Speaker 2: final pro wrestling match wasn't a win at WrestleMania seventeen.
Speaker 1: Well, for all of us that don't know about that match,
Speaker 1: that was his final match was a win at WrestleMania seventeen.
Speaker 1: And I was alerted by somebody that you know. Shortly
Speaker 1: after that interview came out with Iron Chic, which was
Speaker 1: full of stuff that we cannot say here. On the show,
Speaker 1: we had his manager, Dan Murrati on Figure four Daily,
Speaker 1: So if you're a subscriber, it's in the archives right now,
Speaker 1: and DJ has found the exact date. It is March
Speaker 1: twenty seven, two thousand and six. So if you go
Speaker 1: into our archives, it's Figure four Daily March seven, two
Speaker 1: thousand and six, and he writes here one of the
Speaker 1: funniest things I have ever heard. I only very vaguely
Speaker 1: remember this interview, but you can go back and check
Speaker 1: it out right now. And for those asking if we
Speaker 1: want to throw this out there, since people have asked
Speaker 1: if you go into our website and you go into
Speaker 1: the podcast archive, people are like, well, how do I
Speaker 1: find what I want? Well, there's a list of all
Speaker 1: of the shows, and at the very bottom, the last
Speaker 1: thing on the list is podcast archive, and if you
Speaker 1: click that, you can actually be taken to archive dot
Speaker 1: fw online dot com, and it is it is searchable,
Speaker 1: so you can go down here two thousand Actually, first
Speaker 1: you go to Figure four Daily, and then you hit
Speaker 1: two thousand and six, and then you hit the month,
Speaker 1: and it's very easy to find. So March twenty seven,
Speaker 1: two thousand and six, Dan Murrati talking about the Iron.
Speaker 2: Is there's still a link anywhere to all of the
Speaker 2: song drops you used to play on the show. I
Speaker 2: don't have the Iron Chic. I won't mention the drop
Speaker 2: used in it, but his version of the monster Mash
Speaker 2: is one of my favorites.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have that somewhere.
Speaker 2: Because birds we can't use on this show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, times will change the last twenty years. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you're aware of that or not.
Speaker 2: Everything, yes, but many chek drops from the old shows
Speaker 2: were highlights of mine and I used to His run
Speaker 2: on the Howard Stern Show was also during the only
Speaker 2: time that I was actually a Stern listener. I had
Speaker 2: serious radio for a while, so I used to listen
Speaker 2: to Chica on Howard Stern a lot, and those drops
Speaker 2: always brought me joy. So respect the legend, rip the
Speaker 2: Iron Chic.
Speaker 1: Cameraman zoom back in a moment with more Observer Live
Speaker 1: back on the show. Bryan Alberrez here wrestling Observer Alive.
Speaker 1: No Mike simper V be here today, upgrade. I can
Speaker 1: get him back at some point here, help me back tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I gave him the day off because next Wednesday I'm
Speaker 1: not going to be here, so I'm giving him this
Speaker 1: Wednesday off, so just so y'all know, I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: at field Day. That's what I'm doing next week with
Speaker 1: the Youngster. I remember field Day? No you don't remember
Speaker 1: field Day?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: You know the term have a field day? Right, Well,
Speaker 1: what they do is they they have a field day
Speaker 1: on the field. There's like a bunch of games and
Speaker 1: all sorts of stuff. So I'm gonna have a field
Speaker 1: day at field Day. Tonight is dynamite and yes, for
Speaker 1: the fifth straight week, we have a major announcement by
Speaker 1: Tony Kahn, and I think that's gonna continue all the
Speaker 1: way to collision. I think he's going to just announce
Speaker 1: something new for the show every single week. But the
Speaker 1: lineup for the show as Orange Cassidy swerves Strickland for
Speaker 1: the aw International title. Will there be a title change tonight? Huh?
Speaker 2: Yes, you think so, that's my guest.
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, Lance is predicting. Yes, I'm thinking easy
Speaker 1: fifty to fifty maybe more. We have the Blackpool Combat
Speaker 1: Club Moxley, Claudio and Wheeler against Trent, Rocky Romero and
Speaker 1: Chuck Taylor. We have Chris Stadlin are defending the TBS
Speaker 1: title against.
Speaker 2: A j that title will not be changing.
Speaker 1: We have Jy White versus Ricky Starks with Juice Robinson
Speaker 1: an FTR band from ringside. We have Jack Perry and
Speaker 1: Hook versus Preston Vance and Drellistico in a Texas Tornado match,
Speaker 1: and a promo from MJF. That's a lineup for the
Speaker 1: show coming up here tonight, and it's going to face
Speaker 1: some stiff competition, unlike Raw Monday, which had no NBA
Speaker 1: playoff competition. First World title match on Raw in almost
Speaker 1: two years, it did a one point eight three million
Speaker 1: and a point five to six in eighteen to forty nine.
Speaker 2: Was that the first title defense of this title?
Speaker 1: Yeah? First title defensive any title in two years.
Speaker 2: Of this specific title. Has Seth defended it before?
Speaker 1: Well, no, he just won it. Okay, he won it
Speaker 1: and he had a tag match last week, so this
Speaker 1: will be the first one. They beat the Las Vegas
Speaker 1: Golden Knights versus Florida Panthers Stanley Cup playoff game on
Speaker 1: TNT for first place, although the game did much much
Speaker 1: higher in total viewership in eighteen to forty nine, but
Speaker 1: it was aired on TNTTBS and True TV, so with
Speaker 1: a point five to four They were second place for
Speaker 1: the night, but they did one point six eight million viewers,
Speaker 1: beat everything on English and Spanish TV first for the
Speaker 1: night on all of television. So there you go. The
Speaker 1: first hour one point eight three million, the second hour
Speaker 1: one point nine zero million, and the third hour was
Speaker 1: one point seven to six million. So the third hour
Speaker 1: was the lowest, but usually that third hour is a
Speaker 1: pretty substantial fall, so well, one point seven to six
Speaker 1: and the third hour is very good and meant that
Speaker 1: people wanted to see the title defended, even though Damian
Speaker 1: Priest lost last week. So that's the raw numbers. We
Speaker 1: also had the Independence Day lineup, which is I noted
Speaker 1: on the Filthy Tom Show. Yes, the Neute ban Strong
Speaker 1: Independence Day Show is airing on Independence Day, US Independence Day.
Speaker 1: The show is taking place in Japan July fourth and fifth.
Speaker 1: But the reason it's called Independence Day is because Ghetto
Speaker 1: really likes that movie Independence Day. I'm not making that up.
Speaker 1: True story.
Speaker 2: So in honor of Will Smith, is he gonna go
Speaker 2: slap somebody?
Speaker 1: He might? He might. We have got three two matches announced,
Speaker 1: so for the July fourth show, we have got TJP
Speaker 1: and Francisco Akira versus Clark Connors and Dan Maloney who
Speaker 1: is not the manager of the Iron Chic, and that
Speaker 1: is for the ISWGP junior tag titles. And we also
Speaker 1: have Kenta facing Eddie Kingston, so Eddie Kingston is coming
Speaker 1: in not only for that show, but also for the
Speaker 1: g One. So we've got that. I think there was
Speaker 1: another one announced as well, but I can't find it here,
Speaker 1: but I guess I'll find it here at some point, right, sure, exactly?
Speaker 2: I got faith in you, Brian.
Speaker 1: I think they added a what was the match they added?
Speaker 1: They added something with Moxley? Right, anybody got that in
Speaker 1: front of him? I got so much news I don't
Speaker 1: even know what to do with myself. We had an
Speaker 1: interview with Tony Kahan in Sports Illustrated and he was
Speaker 1: asked about cmpunk and he said, we have not seen
Speaker 1: tmpunk in a long time, since all out last September.
Speaker 1: He looked great in his last match to the fans.
Speaker 1: He's very important. He's very important in the company too.
Speaker 1: He's been a big draw for US historically throughout his career,
Speaker 1: and the launch of the new show happens to line
Speaker 1: up with the schedule of his rehab of his triceps surgery.
Speaker 1: He said, we have an amazing opportunity with AW on
Speaker 1: Saturday nights on T and T. June seventeenth was the
Speaker 1: brainchild of David Zaslov, who is the Warner Brothers Discovery
Speaker 1: CEO and president. He asked about more AW, specifically Saturday
Speaker 1: nights on TNT when it was pitched to us by
Speaker 1: T and T. I was so excited. It's so exciting
Speaker 1: the timing of Punk's return and how it corresponds with
Speaker 1: the launch of Collision. So yeah, we'll see how it
Speaker 1: does in terms of business. Right now, the Collision lineups,
Speaker 1: the Collision ticket sales numbers, they're not through the roof
Speaker 1: the United Center is doing pretty well. Not as well
Speaker 1: obviously as the first time, but some of those other
Speaker 1: Collision shows on the tour.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because they're doing obviously the Collision Show,
Speaker 2: which is the finals of the owen Hart Tournament here
Speaker 2: in Calgary. And when they announced the Calgary date, when
Speaker 2: it was just a house show, there was a lot
Speaker 2: of press, Like the major news stations in town were
Speaker 2: covering it in their sports section. I saw two or
Speaker 2: three news bits on it. I haven't seen a thing
Speaker 2: since they've announced it as a TV taping.
Speaker 1: Well, let's see, we've got Collision in Regina on July eighth,
Speaker 1: they have got thirteen hundred tickets sold for that show.
Speaker 1: We have got collision in Calgary which is at thirty
Speaker 1: four hundred. That's for the Saddle Doome show on July fifteenth.
Speaker 1: We have got a collision in Newark on July twenty second,
Speaker 1: which is at four thousand. And if we've got any
Speaker 1: of these are all from wrestle Tics. We've got Toronto
Speaker 1: on June twenty fourth. They're at eighteen hundred tickets.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And keep in mind it's like Forbidden Door. They've got
Speaker 1: Forbidden Door, which is like it's sold out in Lee.
Speaker 1: But then Collision eighteen hundred at this point, and then
Speaker 1: if we can find the let's see if we've got
Speaker 1: I got a bunch of pre sale codes here, because.
Speaker 2: I know Dave mentioned about running in Saskatchewan in the summer,
Speaker 2: and I assume he's right, but I know when I
Speaker 2: was in WB they only ran Saskatchewan in Saskatoon in
Speaker 2: like February when there was ice in the rinks and
Speaker 2: Saskatchewan Tonians if that's the word we're looking for a
Speaker 2: place to get inside and have some entertainment because the
Speaker 2: weather was so damn cold, because it's really cold in
Speaker 2: Saskatchewan in the winter, but we always went there and
Speaker 2: when it was cold.
Speaker 1: All right. So the latest on the United Center. We
Speaker 1: haven't an update since June fourth, so it's been We
Speaker 1: still have three days of ticket sales, but as of
Speaker 1: June fourth, they were at eight thousand, which means that
Speaker 1: since the announcement of CM Punk actually being on the show,
Speaker 1: they sold nine hundred and ninety four tickets, so they're
Speaker 1: currently at eight thousand. They've got twenty two hundred left.
Speaker 1: They're currently set up for two hundred and fourteen. Obviously,
Speaker 1: if they start really selling tickets, they can open it
Speaker 1: up to probably more, but looking like it'll probably finish
Speaker 1: around I don't know, nine thousand. We'll see. So those
Speaker 1: are the numbers.
Speaker 2: For approximately a ten percent bump with the add of
Speaker 2: c and Punk a little more than that.
Speaker 1: Yep, he headed ten percent after the announcement last week.
Speaker 1: We had a couple of NXT notes. We'll do the
Speaker 1: report here in a moment, but Haley and Hannah Cavender,
Speaker 1: who are NIL athletes, they actually appeared on the show yesterday.
Speaker 1: THEA Hale won a number one contenders at Battle Royal.
Speaker 1: A large chase U contingent entered the ring to celebrate,
Speaker 1: and both of the twins were in the ring holding
Speaker 1: Hale up on their shoulders. They have not signed with
Speaker 1: w yet and we'll we'll see what happens. But I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously WWE wants them, and you know, there are a
Speaker 1: lot of things going on in basically, you know, they
Speaker 1: make a lot of money and these WWE NXT deals
Speaker 1: are not for a lot of money, and so you know,
Speaker 1: it's like, I mean, what are you gonna pay them?
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not gonna pay them a million dollars
Speaker 1: each to go to NXT. It's just not gonna happen,
Speaker 1: are they Are they willing to go to NXT for
Speaker 1: you know, probably five figures a year at the beginning,
Speaker 1: with the idea that they'll end up on the main
Speaker 1: roster at some point and it make a lot more
Speaker 1: than that. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Exceptions are always made in WB though.
Speaker 1: They are, But that's a lot of money, dude. They
Speaker 1: make a lot of money, a lot of money.
Speaker 2: They were paying Practice two hundred and fifty grand a
Speaker 2: year to be in Memphis back in the day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but still, so.
Speaker 2: They can pay these women if they really want them.
Speaker 1: I am pretty sure that if they are paid anything
Speaker 1: less than a million dollars a year, they're gonna be
Speaker 1: making a pay cut. And there's two of them, so
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna be you know.
Speaker 2: Well, if they allow them to keep their sponsorship deals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I guess we shall see. Plus, you know,
Speaker 1: they it'll also depend on what of their options they
Speaker 1: have other than what they're doing right now. So they
Speaker 1: were there. I mean they want them on TV. I
Speaker 1: mean I would bet you anything that if they signed
Speaker 1: them tomorrow, they would be all over the show next week.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't be wrestling obviously, but I mean there are
Speaker 1: things that you can do with them, as far as
Speaker 1: like putting him in with a unit of I mean,
Speaker 1: they held up the AHL for crying out loud. They
Speaker 1: could put him with Chase you and just have them
Speaker 1: on the show every week, but now working. But they
Speaker 1: were there, and we'll talk more about NXT after the break.
Speaker 1: Observer Live back of the show. Brian Albaretz here Wrestling
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you could pay me to cut a
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Speaker 1: don't just bury people on my cameos. If you want
Speaker 1: a pep talk, if you want me to put somebody over,
Speaker 1: I don't think I can put somebody over. Of course
Speaker 1: I can. I've done it all on cameo, So you
Speaker 1: just tell me what you want me to do. Now,
Speaker 1: I presume you did not watch NXT.
Speaker 2: Lance, you presume correctly?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, yeah, you have missed out. So the
Speaker 1: show opened up with Baron Corbin coming down the ring
Speaker 1: and he cut that old man yelling at the Clouds promo.
Speaker 1: These young guys in the locker room, they're not hungry,
Speaker 1: they're mad, they're not called up. What do you want
Speaker 1: out of them to be begging to stay in NXT?
Speaker 1: They're living in a house I built, And he says,
Speaker 1: it's all it's all lies in the hands of Carmelo
Speaker 1: Hey as your champion, and who should come out to
Speaker 1: face him? But Ilia, Dragonov and Eli got in the
Speaker 1: ring and they bantered back and forth and it looks
Speaker 1: like it said they're gonna have a you know what
Speaker 1: what happened here? I just watched this show? And did
Speaker 1: I get something wrong here? It's yeah, so my notes
Speaker 1: have them agreeing to a match tonight, but that match
Speaker 1: didn't happen. Am I wrong? Did I somehow fast forward
Speaker 1: through an entire There's no way. Okay, this person says,
Speaker 1: you're correct to be confused. Okay, I got it. So
Speaker 1: Eli had challenged him, and apparently Baron Corbin refused to
Speaker 1: accept it tight or something like that. But they had
Speaker 1: a brawl. They were they were left, you know, Trick attack.
Speaker 1: Corbyn clotheslined him over the top. So that's what happened. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was Corbin versus Trick. Okay, so at some point
Speaker 1: they're gonna do Elia Dragonov against Baron Corbin. I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward to that match.
Speaker 2: You'll be around the same time.
Speaker 1: Oh, Braun whack Ilia, I got it. I did see
Speaker 1: that happen. Okay, now let me start over again. This
Speaker 1: is a really easy to follow show. So Ilia wants Corbin.
Speaker 1: Ilia got laid out by Braun. So Corbyn then beat
Speaker 1: up or got beat up by Trick and then beat
Speaker 1: Trick later. And now Braun also wants Ilia, but Ilia
Speaker 1: wants got it everybody. So we got a lot of
Speaker 1: matches coming up here, and you know what a match
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to is Braun Breaker versus Elia Dragonov.
Speaker 1: That'll be a good match. So then thea limped out
Speaker 1: of training with Charlie Dempsey. She vows she's gonna win
Speaker 1: this battle Royal tonight. That's where Braun Breaker laid out
Speaker 1: Ilia Dragonov and then we had Creeds at Ivy Nile
Speaker 1: against the Schism and an Ava. Ava is the daughter
Speaker 1: of the rock And I don't like saying anything bad
Speaker 1: about anybody, but I have to review wrestling. I'm sure
Speaker 1: Ava is a really nice lady, but man, she is,
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, she is absolutely not ready in any
Speaker 1: way to be wrestling on television. And they kept her
Speaker 1: out of the ring and the Creeds and the Schism
Speaker 1: and Ivy, by the way, they had Ivy in there
Speaker 1: doing spots with the guys, but they kept her away.
Speaker 1: Everyone kept everyone away from Ava. At one point, I'd
Speaker 1: be got in the ring and she like challenged Ava,
Speaker 1: and then they went to commercial, and when they came back,
Speaker 1: Aba was not in the ring. And then you know,
Speaker 1: everyone's doing their spots and the guys do all their stuff,
Speaker 1: and finally everyone's down. All the guys are down, and
Speaker 1: it is time for Ivy and Ava to get into
Speaker 1: the ring. And they were in there for about thirty seconds.
Speaker 1: I mean, Ava can't do anything. And then finally she
Speaker 1: put on a face mask and she headbutted Ivy and
Speaker 1: got the pin.
Speaker 2: Well, you do remember that Rocky Maya Villa wasn't exactly
Speaker 2: a hit right out of the gate either.
Speaker 1: He wasn't a hit as a character, but he was
Speaker 1: a guy who on his first day in developmental everybody
Speaker 1: was like, this guy is going.
Speaker 2: To be not based off his wrestling, Dude, he's at
Speaker 2: that point.
Speaker 1: Well no, but he wasn't bad. I mean he still
Speaker 1: could like do stuff. I mean, you got to watch
Speaker 1: his match.
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 1: If you're trying to compare her to the Rock, I mean, well,
Speaker 1: I'm there's no comparison here. I mean, she's the by
Speaker 1: Miles greenest person on all of NXT.
Speaker 2: It's got it again. Some people thrive at it, but
Speaker 2: it's and you've done it, but I've done it. It's
Speaker 2: like I was at least in the generation where the
Speaker 2: first dozen or fifty matches of mine were on shows
Speaker 2: that no one saw, so nobody got to see how
Speaker 2: horrible I was in match two, three, four, and five,
Speaker 2: where so many now train in an empty building and
Speaker 2: then their first matches on television.
Speaker 1: Yeah not good. Stack's met with Tony d in the Clink,
Speaker 1: and you know, we talk about these NXT characters and
Speaker 1: how they're so campy and corny and and they're people
Speaker 1: playing a character.
Speaker 2: Did get a nails cameo?
Speaker 1: No, but Tony did note that Knuckles was in there
Speaker 1: with him. Oh, and Stacks almost ratted Knuckles out. But
Speaker 1: they're doing the thing where they're both on the phone
Speaker 1: with the glass wall and they keep having to tell
Speaker 1: you what would be quiet.
Speaker 2: Like fabulous Frankie Knuckles a bit of a throwback.
Speaker 1: Could have been They just said Knuckles could be any Knuckles.
Speaker 1: So now they're trying to figure out who ratted me
Speaker 1: out because again this Tony D is a babyface criminal murderer. Okay,
Speaker 1: but you know the heels are bad because they told
Speaker 1: on him. They're trying to find out who the rat is.
Speaker 1: So they said it could have been anybody, and Tony said, listen, Stacks,
Speaker 1: trust your gun. Of course it's Gallas whatever. Whatever they
Speaker 1: did that last week, forget about it. You're the underboss.
Speaker 1: You figured out. But this one on three thing isn't
Speaker 1: gonna work. So it sounds like they're gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: old Stacks are gonna have to get a partner until
Speaker 1: Tony D gets out of the clink. We had a
Speaker 1: segment with Von Wagner and mister Stone. They're the therapist
Speaker 1: and they do this flashback deal because apparently, like the
Speaker 1: third therapist they've been to in this one day, and
Speaker 1: they've got flashbacks to all of the other failures with
Speaker 1: the other therapists just not working out. And then you know,
Speaker 1: they're sitting there and Mon's like, dude, come on, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is not gonna work. And all of a sudden
Speaker 1: the door opens and this this tall man with a
Speaker 1: bad haircut and he's you know how they usually have
Speaker 1: the security guys. He comes out and he's, oh, he's crying.
Speaker 1: And Vron looks at this guy come out of he
Speaker 1: haves crying and he goes, I ain't doing this. I'm
Speaker 1: out of here. This is ridiculous, And all of a
Speaker 1: sudden the therapist walks out, and you know this is
Speaker 1: where this is going, right, Lance hot blonde and Von like, huh,
Speaker 1: maybe I will give this a shot. And he starts
Speaker 1: to walk into the room and mister Stone's gonna go
Speaker 1: with him, and Vaughn says, no, no, stay here, I
Speaker 1: got this and he winks, and they did everything but
Speaker 1: put like an animated star next to his eye. But
Speaker 1: when he winks, he goes and he walks in the
Speaker 1: room and they're trying everything they can to get a
Speaker 1: personality out of von Wagner. We had Blair Davenport killing
Speaker 1: Danny Palmer, so, uh, that'll teach Danny. Dana Brook then.
Speaker 2: Showed up Dodge in the draft.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you know, I think she's a free agent too.
Speaker 2: I think she just drafted the wrong was Well.
Speaker 1: Anyway, she shows up and she said there she heard
Speaker 1: there was a battle Royal tonight and this is another one.
Speaker 1: God bless her. I mean, she's been in w WE
Speaker 1: for so long that she is incapable of talking like
Speaker 1: a normal human being. She says, I heard that if
Speaker 1: anyone is going to face Tiffany tonight, it is going
Speaker 1: to be me. I've heard there are a lot of opportunities,
Speaker 1: and but I am here to make my own opportunities.
Speaker 1: And off she goes. I was like, man, the funny
Speaker 1: thing is like, you know, they have a way they
Speaker 1: want you to talk, and she's like doing it perfectly.
Speaker 1: But people who actually do it the way she does,
Speaker 1: they never get a push, they never get an opportunity.
Speaker 2: She signed with WWE ten years ago.
Speaker 1: In July, ten years ago. Yeah, wow, Tiffany did a promo.
Speaker 1: So if you recall her promo last week was an
Speaker 1: absolute disaster. They did it live and this one was
Speaker 1: pre taped, and this one was better. She had more
Speaker 1: life and personality, and she said she'd made the belt
Speaker 1: the most desirable of all of them. In WWE, no
Speaker 1: one was happy that she won, including mackenzie and Mcausey goes,
Speaker 1: who do you think might win? And she goes, maybe
Speaker 1: Lyra Valcira. But the result would be the same as
Speaker 1: a battleground. It was better we had Baron Corman and
Speaker 1: Trick Williams. And this is exactly what about a million
Speaker 1: times guys like Trick need to be in the ring
Speaker 1: with a guy like a Baron, But ideally it would
Speaker 1: be on the old Coconut Loop with nobody watching on
Speaker 1: national television. I mean, Baron did the best job that
Speaker 1: he could. Trick is still really green. I mean it
Speaker 1: was fine. You know, It's like he's throwing these punches
Speaker 1: at Baron Corbin, and every punch he throws, Baron Corben
Speaker 1: goes like this because he don't want to get a hit.
Speaker 1: And then finally Corbin hits the end of days and
Speaker 1: pins him and not exactly compelling television, but this is
Speaker 1: what you need if you're gonna get these guys to
Speaker 1: learn how to work.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you're so right. Corbyn's phenomenal on HOSE shows.
Speaker 2: It'd be great if they had a ten day loop
Speaker 2: of HOSE shows where these guys could work.
Speaker 1: We had hard hitting truths with Dragon Lee and Nathan
Speaker 1: Frazier and they're trying to get Dragon Lee to get
Speaker 1: a personality and to be honest. I mean, I've been
Speaker 1: watching Dragon Lee for years. This is the most personality
Speaker 1: I've ever seen out of the guy over the last
Speaker 1: couple of week. And he's not gonna make it in
Speaker 1: we without a personality. So this was a good segment.
Speaker 1: And Nathan Fraser is awesome and everything he does. We
Speaker 1: had all e backstage and he's a free agent, can
Speaker 1: go wherever he wants. He wants to be champion. Wes
Speaker 1: Lee shows up and Wes he just offers it due
Speaker 1: to title shot. The same guy that got mad that
Speaker 1: his best friend wanted a title shot. He's offering this
Speaker 1: to anybody, and all he goes, listen, I don't want
Speaker 1: to just be given a title shot. I want to
Speaker 1: earn it. So he goes out to face Joe Gacy
Speaker 1: and he beats him four fifty clean in the middle,
Speaker 1: and afterwards the schism tries to stump down all E,
Speaker 1: but Wes Lee and Tyler Bate run down to make
Speaker 1: the save. We had a bunch of interviews. Eddris Andofe
Speaker 1: and Maulik Blade I have agreed to fight each other
Speaker 1: next week because they've learned that all of the teams
Speaker 1: that fought each other are actually closer and so now
Speaker 1: they're gonna try it themselves. We had an interview with
Speaker 1: Noam Dharr and his Wacky Crew, which I like because
Speaker 1: it's four just blacky people and it prevents Lash Legend
Speaker 1: from having to ab matches, it prevents Miss Jackson from
Speaker 1: having to have matches. But they're all on TV getting
Speaker 1: a chance to do something and uh with Yeah, Norm
Speaker 1: Door got Oro Mints on a house show and now
Speaker 1: oor owes him. That's the storyline. Damon Camp and Eddie Thorpe. Uh,
Speaker 1: No one cared about the match and Eddie won, but
Speaker 1: Damon's foot was on the ropes roughed in and see it,
Speaker 1: so it looks like they're going to be doing another rematch.
Speaker 1: And then you know, we had a bunch of interviews
Speaker 1: and dabocato versus scripts. This was the stupidest, I mean, god,
Speaker 1: so Theabocato's in there and he's just killing Scripts. So
Speaker 1: then Axiom runs out to try to help Scripts, but
Speaker 1: Dabocato kills him too. Then as he's killing him, Reggie
Speaker 1: does a flip off his trampling into the ring. They
Speaker 1: never showed the trampoline, by the way. They want you
Speaker 1: to think this guy can like fly and uh, and
Speaker 1: he rolls up Dabocato and pins him. He pins Dabocato
Speaker 1: and then Dabocato stands up and he absolutely destroys both
Speaker 1: of the baby faces single handedly. Nobody benefited. Everybody looked
Speaker 1: worse after this than when it started. Well, that sucked
Speaker 1: Joe Gasey's segment, and then god, there's so many segments.
Speaker 1: There's like twenty eight segments on the show. And then
Speaker 1: has noted theo Hale won the Battle Royal, so she's
Speaker 1: gonna get a title shot. And then the show ended
Speaker 1: with brawn Breaker challenging seth Rawlins to come to NXT
Speaker 1: and defend the world title. It looks were gonna get
Speaker 1: that match. That went with more Observerlive. Well, Lance had
Speaker 1: a great idea during the break, didn't you, Lance.
Speaker 2: Well, it was certainly an idea. Yeah, if you want
Speaker 2: it to create some buzz and make some waves. Have
Speaker 2: Seth Rawlins drop the title to bron Breaker on NXT
Speaker 2: and call bron Breaker as champion up to Raw, give
Speaker 2: NXT a big boost, create some buzz, and make bron Breaker.
Speaker 1: The worst idea I've ever heard, because bron ain't doing
Speaker 1: nothing else right now. I mean, could also do the
Speaker 1: deal where he calls the guy out, but the guy
Speaker 1: doesn't show up, so he shows up on rad beats
Speaker 1: him there in an open challenge. So a lot of
Speaker 1: things he can do, and I think they're taking that
Speaker 1: title off Seth imminently unless the whole idea was we're
Speaker 1: gonna make you think that Seth is our guy and
Speaker 1: it's a setup guy for bron Breaker, but I don't
Speaker 1: think that's likely. I don't think Seth coincidentally is the
Speaker 1: iron chic here. I think it's most likely going to
Speaker 1: be champion for a little while. But I think that'd
Speaker 1: be a pretty big thing to have the NXT main
Speaker 1: event be for the world title with Seth Rawins. That
Speaker 1: would do a big number, that one right there. You know,
Speaker 1: next week on the Lance Show, which is normally Tuesdays
Speaker 1: at two Pacific five ESTA, we gotta talk dark side
Speaker 1: of the ring, Lance, don't let me forget.
Speaker 2: Yes, I will remind you because there was a lot
Speaker 2: of stories that I told about Chris Candido on the
Speaker 2: show that are on the interview that didn't make the show,
Speaker 2: including I will share the story that broke me at.
Speaker 1: The end, but it didn't err on the show.
Speaker 2: They didn't tell the story on the show. They just
Speaker 2: showed me trying to tell it and the emotional breaks
Speaker 2: involved in I see.
Speaker 1: Yes, I've not seen that one yet, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: heard the dark side of the ring about Magnum Ta
Speaker 1: yesterday was also excellent. Last night's airing of the Magnum
Speaker 1: Teso was one of the better from this series, as Steven,
Speaker 1: So if you didn't check that out, check that one
Speaker 1: out and Dave and I back tonight. Wrestling Observer Radio.
Speaker 1: Michael be back tomorrow and a lot to get into,
Speaker 1: so check it out Wrestlingobserver dot com. Thanks Lance, as always,
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