1 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, it is the Community Ring and you are 2 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: listening to Eyes up there with Drinking in the iHeartRadio 3 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:37,959 Speaker 1: Network or wherever the podcast. 4 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 2: As always, I am joined Monica. Who's Chad? Chad? We 5 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:55,319 Speaker 2: weren't supposed to record today, but breaking news and it's 6 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 2: a doozy. 7 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: We thought we heard the end of it, or at 8 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: least I thought I heard the end of it. When 9 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: a new lawsuit was filed against the Vince McMahon, Linda McMahon. 10 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 2: And TKO grew holdings regarding the Ring Boys scandal, it's 11 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 2: coming back. 12 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 3: The Ring Boys are back and they're pissed. 13 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 2: Oh my god. You had to get that in there. 14 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 4: See I didn't say anything yet, so I wanted to 15 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 4: make it impactful. 16 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 3: All right. 17 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,199 Speaker 2: Well, we talked about this before when we went over 18 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 2: like the top what did we do? The Top five 19 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 2: or top ten scandals of the w w E or WWF. 20 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 2: There are more gentlemen coming out now and saying that 21 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 2: they had been what word can I use? 22 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 3: Inappropriately? Touched? 23 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 2: I really have to say that what we can say 24 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 2: and what we can't say because we don't want to 25 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 2: get demonetized, obviously. 26 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 3: But if you're being inappropriately abused. 27 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 2: There you go. If you're a fan of the wwfwwe 28 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: you know exactly what we're talking about. So there are 29 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 2: five former ring boys that are in this lawsuit and 30 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 2: it was filed today. Today is the twenty third of 31 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 2: October twenty twenty four, So this was filed today and 32 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 2: it was all over the place. So I texted Chad 33 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 2: and I was just like, get your ads down here 34 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 2: and let's go. So getting into it, they're calling themselves 35 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 2: John does one through five, okay, and it goes back 36 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 2: to Mel Phillips, Terry, Garvin, pat Patterson. They're saying that 37 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 2: the McMahons were aware of the abuse but did nothing 38 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 2: to stop it, and all their stories are vibing like 39 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 2: they're all like giving the same kind of testimony, I guess, 40 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 2: the same kind of negative, if you will, story against 41 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 2: the McMahon's. It says that they were groomed, exploited, sexually 42 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 2: abused by Mel Phillips. He targeted children from broken homes. 43 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 2: We went over all this. It says that it occurred 44 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 2: at the venues. It also occurred in the hotel rooms 45 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 2: where he would shuttle the boys in plain sight where 46 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 2: everybody could see. What you know, what was happening, what 47 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 2: was going on? It said the defendants were fully aware 48 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 2: and did nothing to prevent or stop it. So it 49 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 2: goes back to nineteen ninety two. They were accused of 50 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 2: having inappropriate contact with that general and Tom Cole that 51 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 2: we talked about before, Yep, and that's when all three Phillips, Garvin, Patterson, 52 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 2: they all resigned. They brought pat Patterson back. The two gentlemen, 53 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 2: Garvin and Phillips, they've passed away. And then Patterson died 54 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty and then sadly, Cole died in twenty 55 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 2: twenty one. So his brother, I guess, is doing some podcast. 56 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 2: He's on this video that surfaced, and you're gonna play 57 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 2: a little bit of the video and then we're going 58 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 2: to talk about a couple things. But the john Does 59 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 2: are also on this video, and I'm telling you, like 60 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 2: I watched it one time and like my skin crawled. 61 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 2: I felt so bad for these guys because you're talking 62 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 2: some of them were like I think as young as 63 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 2: eleven years old. 64 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, they were very very young in this. 65 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: Group, eleven years old. And you know they were saying 66 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 2: like Phillips would come and he would have the belts 67 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 2: in the car and he would lure them with the belts. 68 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 2: And you can go backstage and you can meet the 69 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 2: wrestlers and you can help put up the ring and 70 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 2: all this stuff, and you know, they just describe horrific things. 71 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 2: And there's also how many pages did I say? There's 72 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 2: eighty two pages? Eighty two pages of I guess is it? 73 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 2: What is it called? Does it testimony? Is it? Yeah? 74 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 3: I mean I guess you could say that. 75 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 2: Just I started reading, I got through. I don't know 76 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 2: how many pages I got through, but it's a lot. 77 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 2: There's a lot. And I thought Janelle's was long winded. 78 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 2: This one's really long. Oh this is a little longer 79 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 2: than Janelle's. But I think Janelle's was like, what seventy 80 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 2: five seventy six pages? This one's eighty pages. But this 81 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 2: goes into detail as well about things that had happened. 82 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 2: So first of all, let's just play a little snippet 83 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 2: of the video. The video is online if you want 84 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 2: to watch it in its entirety. It's all over the internet. 85 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 2: It's all over Yes. 86 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 4: I got this from Brandon Thurston of Wressel namis here. 87 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 3: He shared this earlier. 88 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 4: It's from the DiCello Levitt law firm who was defending 89 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 4: the five John Doe ring boys, which just pointing out 90 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 4: to when you read the lawsuit, they show pictures of 91 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 4: that chronicle all the years. 92 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 3: It's unbelievable. 93 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 4: All right, But we're gonna pick it up, not going 94 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 4: through the whole thing, but we're gonna pick it up 95 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 4: around the time where they start to talk to the 96 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 4: ring boys in the video, and we'll just kind of 97 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 4: take a minute or two from this snippet. 98 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:04,119 Speaker 2: Okay. A ring announcer named mel Phillips. 99 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:07,359 Speaker 5: The ring announcer, approached me after the show. He said 100 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 5: they were going to Philadelphia. Would I like to go? 101 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 2: And standing outside the car while all the little kids 102 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 2: were playing and shows on the belts like he always 103 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 2: pulled out the belts. 104 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 6: I was thirteen years old when I met Mel Phillips. 105 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 6: Actually I did I recognize you. Your mel Phillips be 106 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 6: a ring announcer. He said he wanted me to do 107 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 6: him a favor, and I followed him into the dressing room. 108 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 6: Once that doll was closed, he just assaulted me, threw 109 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 6: me down on the ground, gun on top of me. 110 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 5: He asked me, you want to go inside and you 111 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 5: can see all the wrestlers and you know I was through. 112 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 5: He asked me to take my clothes off. 113 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 4: You could tell I'm shaking right now thinking about it. 114 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 5: It started out just your toes. Then he'd basically make 115 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 5: you for almost since submit. But once you're fled on 116 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 5: the floor, on the bed, you're stuck. 117 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 2: There was a very material harm that was happening. It's 118 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 2: sexually assault, saying the underage boys. 119 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 4: Famously Tom okay, So that now goes into Tom Cole, 120 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 4: which again we talked about back in I think it 121 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 4: was almost November December of last year when we did 122 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 4: all the Vince McMahon chronicling on our two parts special. 123 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 2: So he was basically forcing himself on these young kids. 124 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, to not use certain terminology, but he was 125 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 2: forcing himself. They just showed a picture that the poor 126 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 2: kid was on the ground and that Phillips guy was 127 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 2: on top of him and his hands were behind it 128 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 2: looked like he was restraining his hands and his wrist 129 00:08:49,320 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 2: behind his back. It's just disturbing, very disturbing. This part 130 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 2: where'd I see it here? It is was talking about 131 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 2: one of the one of the John does. They said 132 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 2: there was a the FBI received a video tape and 133 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 2: it was shot by a WWE employee not named. Obviously, 134 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 2: they're saying that this tape was in possession of the 135 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 2: WWE well before it was ever sent to the FBI, 136 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 2: and the FBI documented at least ten Ringboy victims, ten 137 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 2: of them. Okay, So it says on a three ninety three, 138 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 2: the US Attorney's Office acquired this. It says half inch videotape. 139 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 2: I don't know what that means, but it's entitled, and 140 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 2: then it's there's a blank so there maybe there was 141 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 2: writing on the tape. I don't know, but they're not 142 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 2: putting it on paper what the tape was entitled. But 143 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 2: it does say in which is believed to show Phillip's 144 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 2: unusual foot fetish. Then it goes on to say there 145 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 2: were ten victims of Phillips. A review of the tape 146 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 2: by the NYO shows Phillips lying with blank so it 147 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 2: must be the name of one of the john does. 148 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 2: But they're not putting it out for the public. So 149 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 2: he's lying with blank foot in crotch area for extended 150 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 2: periods of time. All victims have stated that Phillips plays 151 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 2: with their feet for extended periods of time between a 152 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 2: half hour to two hours in duration. The NY has 153 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 2: subpoenaed Phillips to grand jury, but was told by prosecutors 154 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 2: he will take the fifth amended Amendment. Would like to 155 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 2: in Okay, they would like to indict Phillips on sexual 156 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 2: abuse charges. The video is consistent with the BSU sexual 157 00:10:56,280 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 2: abuse guidelines. So this was back in ninety three. Now 158 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 2: did they did they, like when we went over the 159 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 2: scandal before, did they know that they had these videotapes 160 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 2: and that WWE was aware of these tapes that were 161 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 2: held by like who held these tapes? 162 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 4: So the tape in question was WWF footage that was 163 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 4: discovered where they were ringside, and that's what was collected. 164 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 2: So this happened at ringside with the with the foot in. 165 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 4: The CROs the one that they're talking about that was 166 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 4: confiscated by the FBI or I don't know, just how 167 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 4: would you describe it confiscated or turned over or whatever. 168 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 4: They would say that that one. And again that's why 169 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 4: they're saying the WWE WWF had knowledge of it is 170 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 4: because it was in their possession, uh and their archives. 171 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 3: It was a part of their library. 172 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 2: So how about do we know anything about well, the 173 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 2: videos that were behind closed doors, because if you keep reading, 174 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 2: it says that Phillips had an he used an expensive 175 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 2: video camera. He had this camera that he used, right, 176 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 2: and he would record things that happened between him and 177 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 2: these underage ring boys. Now, was there somebody else recording 178 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 2: for him? Was he setting up a camera like, you know, 179 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 2: under a tail so nobody would see it like a 180 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 2: pro you know. 181 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great question because back then, you know people, 182 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 4: it was such an underground thing. 183 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 3: If you were going to do. 184 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 4: If you think of the movie Auto Focus, which is 185 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 4: a Greg Kneer movie about the guy from Hogan CEOs 186 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 4: I can't remember his name at the moment, kind of 187 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 4: a similar thing with the hidden camera, you know, film 188 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 4: in his exploits. But he either has to have somebody 189 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 4: film in it or he's got a tripod at the time. 190 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 4: But it's going to be a big one. You know, 191 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 4: you're not gonna be hiding it. But the one that's confiscated, 192 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 4: I'm going to guess is that one that maybe didn't 193 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 4: realize was being filmed and that's why he was doing 194 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 4: whatever he was doing. I would doubt that he would 195 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 4: be doing something like that in plain sight of a 196 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 4: video lens if he knew that that was. 197 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 3: The possible risk. 198 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 4: So that's my guess, and it's again why he was 199 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 4: completely go just whisked away, because now the WWF is 200 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 4: really implicated because there's their footage is now confiscated. 201 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 2: But is that the only footage that they had, because see. 202 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 4: I think I think it's the only tape that came 203 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 4: from their archive. 204 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 2: I want to know where all these other videos are. 205 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 2: I have to keep reading, and we wanted to record 206 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 2: so quickly. I didn't have time to read again the 207 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 2: eighty ninety pages. But it does talk about him having 208 00:13:55,880 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 2: a video camera and him recording the meetings with the children. 209 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, here you go point causes of action in 210 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 4: the lawsuit point number two hundred and fifty one. And 211 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 4: this is one of the things I was going to 212 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 4: say later, but I'll just make the point slightly. 213 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 3: Now we can still talk about it as successor. 214 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 4: As successor entities, WWE and TKO acquired any and all 215 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 4: assets and liabilities for the entity WWF, and therefore are 216 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 4: liable for the conduct of the principles, agents, and employees 217 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 4: that occurred in the course and scope of their employment 218 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 4: and or further into the WWF business and brand. So 219 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 4: they're saying, we have that tape, we have all that stuff. 220 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 4: It happened on the old guards watch, but this is 221 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 4: your responsibility. So maybe they want to go through stuff. 222 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 2: They're held accountable now, yeah, what happened to all this? Right? Okay, 223 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 2: Well I understand that. 224 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 4: I'm not saying maybe they want to still go through stuff. 225 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 3: Who knows? 226 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 2: Maybe where are these tapes? That's what I'm saying, Like 227 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 2: are there more tapes out there? Because they got these pictures, 228 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 2: these weird pictures, right, Yeah, they're very bizarrely like like 229 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 2: just you know, all these pictures are are scattered through 230 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 2: this report that I'm reading, and it's like, are there 231 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 2: other video tapes out there that are submitted for this? 232 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 2: You know, because there were there were different things shown 233 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 2: in that five minute video, different little uh pictures and stuff. 234 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 2: So they got those pictures? Are their tapes? That's what 235 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 2: I'm curious about the old tapes? Where are they? Did 236 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 2: he have the is it just for Phillips private stash 237 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 2: or did somebody else have these video tapes? But they're 238 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 2: here's something else that this says. It says the widespread 239 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 2: knowledge of the abuse was confirmed by a former high 240 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 2: level WWE executive. Okay, now I'm reading right from the 241 00:15:55,840 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 2: uh that the eighty some page report, right, It just 242 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 2: said the widespread knowledge of the abuse was confirmed by 243 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 2: a former high level WWE executive. And it doesn't name 244 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 2: the executive, so I don't have a clue as to 245 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 2: who this was, but this is a quote from him. 246 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 2: It says the boys that the company hired to put 247 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 2: the ring and so forth were being had had means 248 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 2: abused by some of the folks who were in the 249 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 2: wrestling operation side of things, and it was just generally 250 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 2: known by everybody that it was going on. It was 251 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 2: a mess. It was an absolute mess. The McMahons clearly 252 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 2: knew what was going on, but really did nothing to 253 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 2: stop it, and there was not a damn thing that 254 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 2: we could do about it. And then as you keep 255 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 2: scrolling down, there's pictures of the ring boys and their 256 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 2: faces are blacked out, but there's a bunch of pictures 257 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 2: and it shows them posing, you know, around the ring, 258 00:16:56,280 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 2: and just very very disturbing. Now, tell me if I'm 259 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 2: wrong here, because I don't think I am. The McMahons 260 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 2: have two children who I'm sure that they love, because 261 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 2: if you don't love your child, there's something wrong with you. 262 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 2: They see this abuse going on with these young kids, 263 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 2: don't say anything about it. Would they like it if 264 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 2: something happened to Shane or Stephanie? 265 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 3: Oh of course not, of course not. 266 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 2: So how in their right mind can they just sweep 267 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 2: this under the rug and let this continue? I don't 268 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 2: get it. I'm sorry. 269 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 4: And they were of agent and they were of that 270 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:47,919 Speaker 4: same age at the time too, And. 271 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 2: The thing is like, we keep saying, oh, there's more 272 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 2: that's gonna come out, and look, there's more, how much more? 273 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 2: You know what I mean. It's like it's so as 274 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 2: a parent, it just makes me sick to my stomach. 275 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 2: And you know, the other day I watched who did 276 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 2: I watched? Oh God, what's Pierce Morgan? He had on 277 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 2: it was it was about the Vince Doc. He had 278 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 2: on Vince Russo, he had on Jonathan Coachman, he had 279 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 2: on Charlie the backstage. Yes, she's so cute, And they 280 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 2: had on Maven Huffman. Then they bring out Phil Phil 281 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 2: Mushnick and everybody was like, but guess what Phil Mushnick 282 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 2: is speaking truths. You know, like a lot of what 283 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 2: he's saying is is what we're seeing in this court case. 284 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 3: There's some fireworks on that. There was some fireworks. 285 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 2: Why why because he's exposing. 286 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 4: Them, which I thought was weird too, because I mean, 287 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 4: like he's coming out and you know, saying all the 288 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 4: stuff he's always said about Vince, and now all the 289 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 4: people that say bad stuff about Vince are like now 290 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 4: going at Mushnik. 291 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 3: Weird? 292 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 2: Is the guy wrong? I mean, I I can't say 293 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 2: that I have read every single piece that Phil wrote 294 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 2: about w w F. I I don't. I haven't read everything, 295 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 2: but the stuff about the ring boy Skintal is he 296 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 2: wrong about it? 297 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 3: Seems like he's on the money, That's what I'm saying. 298 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 2: And people just have this negative outlook about this guy. 299 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 2: And I'm just like, where, tell me where he's wrong? 300 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 2: I mean, he I guess he's got a hate for 301 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 2: for Vince or for the w w E for But 302 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 2: you know, if he has good reason, if he's if 303 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 2: he knows things that we I don't know and he's 304 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 2: reporting them, he's outing them, and I can understand why 305 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 2: somebody wouldn't like that. But if it's true and the 306 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 2: stories are coming out and it's making Phil look like, 307 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 2: you know, he's on the money. Why is there so 308 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 2: much hate for this man? Yeah, that's what I don't understand. Like, 309 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 2: he was pretty spot on with this, He was pretty 310 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 2: I thought he was pretty spot on with the Staroine stories. 311 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know why, like why he 312 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 2: gets so much hate from the rest. 313 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 4: He just gets so much hate from the wrestling community 314 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 4: because he was billed as a bad guy. 315 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 3: He was billed as the one trying to take it down. 316 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 4: And again I said before, I was led to believe 317 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 4: he was the bad guy because I was drinking the 318 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 4: WWF kool aid, because I read all the articles that 319 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,959 Speaker 4: he wrote, and then I heard them talk about him 320 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 4: on TV and say that he's wrong and don't say this, 321 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:02,479 Speaker 4: and he's insulting the rest of it. 322 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 2: He was. 323 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 4: He wasn't just going after the business. He was going 324 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 4: after the people that supported the business. And that's another 325 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 4: thing too that he has to realize that turns people 326 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 4: against him. But now on the other side of it 327 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 4: and seeing it from working there, being a fan and growing. 328 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 3: Up, he's kind of not that wrong. He's kind of 329 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 3: on the money. So Philly. Phil did a good job. 330 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 2: So so you worked there for what a year? No, 331 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 2: less than a year, less than a year? Okay, did 332 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 2: you ever see anything weird? Like, You've never talked about this, 333 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 2: have you? You never encountered anything? Okay, okay, No. 334 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 4: I just I just encountered a culture of fear and 335 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 4: people who didn't want to say anything wrong. And well 336 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 4: that was everything we've talked. Yeah, we've talked about that. 337 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 4: It was just it wasn't anything oddly sexual. It was 338 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 4: always the culture of fear and saying the wrong thing 339 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 4: and you know, watching your head. 340 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 2: You didn't get to go to live events and stuff. 341 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 4: Uh no, never, never as a Yeah, as a production worker, No, 342 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 4: I did. 343 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 3: Everything in the studio. 344 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, all right, thank god, it's I'm glad. I'm 345 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 4: almost glad because I don't want it to kill the aura. 346 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 2: Oh well, if all of this stuff doesn't kill your error, 347 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 2: but now you don't. 348 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:27,199 Speaker 3: At the time, I'm glad. 349 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 2: Oh at the time. Yeah, I just you know, the 350 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 2: more I read, the more I go into this, it's 351 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 2: just like this says In nineteen ninety two, New York 352 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 2: Post reporter Film Motion Nick wrote a series of columns 353 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 2: about the sexual abuse of the rain boys, and he 354 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 2: got a lot of shift for it, and he was 355 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 2: on the money. Correct. Well, I mean, you know, it's 356 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 2: just any human being with a heart cannot view that 357 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 2: video or read this document and and say to yourself, 358 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 2: oh my, like you have to be disgusted. You have 359 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 2: to be disgusted with this. And and for them to 360 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 2: say that Vincent Linda knew all along and just did nothing, 361 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 2: if that's true, I mean, come on, I know you're 362 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 2: you're trying to, I guess protect your company and your 363 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 2: assets and your friends. But my god, call a spade 364 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 2: a spade. If somebody is doing something wrong, they have 365 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 2: to be reprimanded. They have to get the hell out 366 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 2: of there. Oh yeah, children are involved. What are they 367 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 2: thinking or they're not thinking? Apparently it's disgusting what people 368 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 2: will do for money. 369 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 3: You want it? 370 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 4: My prediction, sure, swept under the rug, get settled. 371 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 3: We never hear about this again. 372 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 2: So you think all five of these john Does are 373 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 2: going to get paid off? And that's it? 374 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 3: Yep, just just my feeling. 375 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, they ring boys come back every few years, 376 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 4: and I just think that they're just gonna get swept away. 377 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 4: I just unfortunately. Do I feel for them. The stories 378 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 4: just outrageous. But I just think in the environment that 379 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 4: we're in, I think they're just going to get a 380 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 4: sum of money and they're going to be gone. 381 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 2: Wow. I mean, what else can they do? Are they 382 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 2: trying to put Vince and Linda in jail and t 383 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 2: KO people in jail? Like, yeah, I don't know. I 384 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 2: don't know what they're going after here, but good lord, 385 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 2: how many more stories are going to come out? It's 386 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 2: really sickening. It really is sickening. It makes me sick 387 00:24:59,080 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 2: to my stomach. 388 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, and whoever wants to do the next documentary about 389 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 4: Vince or the follow up about Vince will then have 390 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 4: this to talk about. 391 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 2: The well and whatever else comes out from what you 392 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 2: know here told God knows when. But I mean, it's 393 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 2: just it's mind blowing the stuff that keeps leaking and 394 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 2: coming out and the people stepping forward because there's gonna 395 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 2: be more. Oh hell yeah, there's gonna be a lot more. 396 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 2: And it's just like, what else did they do? What 397 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 2: other crazy stories have happened under the WWFWWE banner? 398 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,120 Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure there's none out there. 399 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I'm going to try and read 400 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 2: through this whole thing. But I was just like when 401 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 2: I read that, I was just like, whoa, whoa. And 402 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 2: if when I read that they had the video, I 403 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 2: was like, what about all the other videos that this 404 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 2: person videotaped? Like, wouldn't the FBI look into him? Can't 405 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 2: they go to his I know he's deceased, but back then, 406 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 2: wouldn't it be like. 407 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 7: A raid like they did the Diddy They went in 408 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 7: his house, they found baby oil and all that. Wouldn't 409 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 7: they go in this guy's house and find all these 410 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 7: videotapes that he recorded of these kids? 411 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:33,199 Speaker 4: You'd think, Yeah, uh, I just I'm just looking at it, 412 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 4: you know what you're talking that the half hour to 413 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 4: two hours of the foot on the crotch. 414 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. 415 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 4: I just don't get it, Like I can't even like 416 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 4: I can't even wrap my head. Like I get people 417 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 4: who've got the foot fetish thing. I get that, right, 418 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 4: I get it. 419 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 3: That part of it I don't get. So you just 420 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 3: keep it there. 421 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 2: Just maybe they're applying pressure. 422 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 3: Ouch. I mean, like I. 423 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 2: Don't rubbing like moving his foot around and rubbing his. 424 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 3: For two hours. 425 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. It's it's disgusting, 426 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 2: it's crazy, it's it's oh my god, I'm just looking. 427 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,360 Speaker 2: I'm going through this like right now, and I'm just like, Wow, 428 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 2: here's another quote. Everyone knew what was going on, but 429 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 2: it would have to take someone within the brotherhood to 430 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 2: have moved on it. And none of the people who 431 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 2: knew about it moved on it. 432 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 4: Wow, who's talking in that locker room? 433 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 3: Who's saying anything? 434 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 6: Then? 435 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 2: Oh, this was Swegler. He wrote a book, Nelson sweg Oh. 436 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 3: Nelson Swegler. Okay, yeah, I know that. 437 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,360 Speaker 2: W w e's operational manager. 438 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. 439 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 2: He remembers walking into a bus and seeing Garvin, who 440 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 2: he found likable, hard at it with a ring. Boy. 441 00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 2: Oh dear god, what else do you know about that? 442 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 3: Nelson. 443 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 2: The book also recounts Mel Phillips carrying around the country 444 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 2: a black book with the names of kids who he 445 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,959 Speaker 2: would call when the WWE came to town, noting that 446 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 2: the kids were usually from broken homes. 447 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 4: And we went over that. 448 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's you know, that's all. 449 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 4: That's the superstar Billy Graham thing. You know, Superstar Billy 450 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 4: Graham said that he saw, you know, Mel Phillips in 451 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 4: the car with a kid and blah blah blah. Yeah, 452 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 4: somebody yelled out and they said, if you saw that, 453 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 4: what do you call the police? 454 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 2: It says he was once spotted in the backseat of 455 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 2: a car in Pennsylvania performing a sexual act on an 456 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 2: eleven year old boy. 457 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 3: Right, yeah, exactly, that was Bruno Bruno. 458 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 2: There, he said. Vince McMahon was told about the incident, 459 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 2: and he elected not to do anything. 460 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 4: Right, But then they said, wouldn't you just call the 461 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 4: police then? If you would, if you thought that was 462 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 4: the right thing to do, just call the freaking police. 463 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 2: Then god, well, I I guess for no, didn't want 464 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 2: to lose his job. I don't know. Again, it's like, 465 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 2: I understand, you have to work for a living and 466 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 2: it's WWF, but good lord, it's little kids. It's disgusting. 467 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 2: I'm sick. 468 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 4: It's just and you know, but what just and again, 469 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 4: you know, little kids is disgusting. But what just I 470 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 4: can't wrap my head around to is growing up in 471 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 4: the eighties and how big it was and how the 472 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 4: WWF ruled the fricking world, you know what I mean? 473 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 4: And like that, that's how desperate some people may have 474 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 4: been at one point to get around the scene. Is 475 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 4: that they just did stuff to stay around it, and 476 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 4: that they knew that they throw that hook hold on. 477 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 2: I found something more specifically. Vince McMahon confessed to New 478 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,719 Speaker 2: York Post this Phil Mushnick that he and Linda McMahon 479 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 2: knew of Phillip's peculiar excuse me, peculiar and unnatural interest 480 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 2: in boys for years before they temporarily fired him for 481 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 2: it in nineteen ninety eight. Despite the knowledge, the McMahons 482 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 2: knowingly put dozens of young boys in intimate harm his 483 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 2: way by re hiring Phillips just weeks later, with the 484 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 2: caveat that Phillips was to steer clear from the kids, 485 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 2: which he never did. 486 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 3: You promise, Come on, well, you promise, Oh. 487 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 2: My god, Phil Mushnick wrote. Vince McMahon told West Coast 488 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,959 Speaker 2: bags journalist Dave Meltzer then me, that he had let 489 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 2: Phillips go four years ago because Phillip's relationship with kids 490 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 2: seemed peculiar and unnatural. McMahon said he rehired Phillips with 491 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 2: the caveat that Phillips steered clear from kids. Molto come 492 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 2: from the Business insider that this was an accurate account 493 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 2: of his call with Vince McMahon. Oh my god. Oh. 494 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 2: When Meltzer pressed Vince McMahon on why Patterson was gone 495 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 2: if he was supposedly innocent, mister McMahon accused Meltzer of 496 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 2: not understanding how to run WWE's business. Wow, that's crazy. 497 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 2: This whole thing is just that shit crazy, unreal. I 498 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 2: can't and you know, I kind of want to read 499 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 2: the rest, and I kind of don't because I'm getting sick, 500 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 2: just as a parent, Like, God forbid. I you know, 501 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 2: I my kids were married, My husband and I are together, 502 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 2: so it's not like they're in a broken home or anything. 503 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 2: So I understand like the desperation for these kids to 504 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 2: want to get out and do something and stuff. But 505 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 2: my god, taking advantage of these poor innocent little kids, 506 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 2: it's just it's it's disgusting. That's the only word I 507 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 2: can use for it. 508 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 7: It's crazy. 509 00:31:59,560 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 6: Crazy. 510 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 3: You see this one right here? So this this. 511 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 2: Guy that's Tom Hole, isn't it? 512 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 3: Is this coal? 513 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 2: It is? 514 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 3: So yeah. So here's the picture. This is the machines. 515 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 4: Here, here's the picture and says underneath it says ww 516 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 4: reach a financial settlement with the young boy pictured above, 517 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 4: but it set off a series of events between him 518 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 4: and the WWE that eventually led to his death by 519 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 4: suicide in twenty twenty one. Yeah that's Coal, yep, who 520 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 4: no longer deal with the damage done to him by 521 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 4: the McMahons, WWE, Phillips and others. He implored his brother 522 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 4: to tell his story. 523 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 3: Yep, that's Tom Cole. 524 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 5: Wow. 525 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 4: But there's the damn picture of him in the WWF 526 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 4: hat ringside. That's nineteen eighty six, because that's the machines 527 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 4: and man, that is incredible that picture. 528 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 2: It's very sad. 529 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 5: Wow. 530 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 2: And he took his own life because of it. And 531 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 2: if you watch that five minute video like the one 532 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 2: gentleman keeps saying I'm shaking. I'm shaking right now, like 533 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 2: telling you about this, like they're trump tized for life, 534 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 2: you know, crazy, it's so sad. So another scandal for 535 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 2: Vince McMahon. I mean, I wouldn't say another. Let me 536 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 2: rephrase that extending on an existing scandal, and I guess so, 537 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 2: so yeah, it's not not good news. Man. I hate 538 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 2: doing this kind of stuff, Like I want to talk 539 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 2: about rainbows and kittens and stuff, not pedophile stuff. This 540 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 2: is disgusting. I can't makes me so sad. 541 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 3: Well, well, wait for one of those sunny days. 542 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 2: Okay, you know, if anything else pops up, we will 543 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 2: cover it. But this is what's going around now. So again, 544 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 2: the lawsuit is all over the internet. You can read everything. 545 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 2: I'm sure every little sheet has info on it. You 546 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 2: can just pull up one of the sheets and find 547 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 2: the link. We recommend Flightful because they are our friends. 548 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 3: Yes, Fightful for sure. 549 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 4: You might want to pull a sheet over your head 550 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,359 Speaker 4: afterward after you read it. 551 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 2: Sickening, sickening stuff, but very sad. But that was our 552 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,800 Speaker 2: breaking news for today. 553 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:27,800 Speaker 4: So do you have anything you want to plug this weekend? 554 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,319 Speaker 4: With the franchise in Virginia Beach. You can head over 555 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 4: to seven to five seven card shows on Instagram and 556 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 4: Twitter for more, and you can follow me on x 557 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 4: I said Twitter x at Chad E and B and 558 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 4: Instagram IB exclusives. 559 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 2: Okay, November first, second, and third, I will be at 560 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 2: Rhode Island Comic Con. It'll be myself, the Dudleys, and 561 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 2: I think Ginder Mahal. Yes, I think it's the four 562 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 2: of us, which will be great because I have not 563 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 2: met him yet, so I'm super excited to meet him 564 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 2: and to see Bubba and Devon. I'll be signing all 565 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 2: three days. Like I said, The following weekend is November ninth. 566 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:17,320 Speaker 2: I will be in is it Brentwood, Yes, Brentwood, New York, Saturday, 567 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 2: November ninth. I want to say either nine or ten 568 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,320 Speaker 2: o'clock start time. But it's the big event. For more information, 569 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 2: you could go to a big event New York dot com. 570 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:32,919 Speaker 2: And then Thanksgiving weekend, I will be with Shane Douglas 571 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 2: at Russell Pade and we'll be there Friday and Saturday. 572 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 2: We'll have special photo ops available. And that is what 573 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 2: is that? November twenty ninth and the thirtieth. 574 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 4: I think it isn't the thirtieth in the first. 575 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 2: I don't know my pit. 576 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 4: Twenty ninth through the first, I think that's what. Yeah, 577 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 4: I'll you're only going to be there at the twenty 578 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 4: ninth and thirtieth. 579 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 2: Yes, I'll be there the Friday and Saturday, So come 580 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 2: on out and see us if you are in the area. 581 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 2: I hope you're saying safe. 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