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Speaker 5: as tirrhy.
Speaker 1: Need you just pop your cards. Toy pumped the collar.
Speaker 1: I just need to see it.
Speaker 5: That's Tim with the nice shirt.
Speaker 1: That is time with that shirt.
Speaker 5: I like it with the little the dot accents on it.
Speaker 5: You see the little patterns and the chain chain and
Speaker 5: he got a fresh cut.
Speaker 1: We know I was was desperately a native one. So yeah,
Speaker 1: the top button being lets her know that he's ready thrown.
Speaker 1: He also wants you to catch this the money, the money.
Speaker 5: He's ready to say it with his chest on a Wednesday,
Speaker 5: or at least lowers lower neck. It's given that neck
Speaker 5: on a Wednesday. All right, boys, let's get into the
Speaker 5: news and no.
Speaker 4: News already right past wow, right off, it's it's Wednesday morning.
Speaker 1: So you got to include yourself in his news and notes.
Speaker 5: Bro, if you didn't listen to talking, that's on you quick.
Speaker 1: I was playing ball. I was on the diamond.
Speaker 4: I made a throw from the wall from the field
Speaker 4: I was shooting for going home. Felled a tweak. Afterwards,
Speaker 4: that wasn't the worst part. I played through it, obviously.
Speaker 4: It was a championship game. Too much on the line.
Speaker 1: Whatever.
Speaker 4: Two days later, because I thought, you know, it'll get better.
Speaker 4: You get these aches and pains as you get older,
Speaker 4: no big deal. And I felt that before, but it's
Speaker 4: gotten better a couple of days a week. So a
Speaker 4: week or so later, two days later, I was in
Speaker 4: the gym, even though it was hurting. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I got to get the session in. So I was
Speaker 4: doing some hammer curls and the third rep or third
Speaker 4: set of the hammer curls like fourth or fifth reps.
Speaker 4: Felt like somebody came up and like stabbed me in
Speaker 4: the elbow. Yeah, So took a couple of weeks off
Speaker 4: from the gym to try to let it rest up.
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, yeah, but it wasn't getting any
Speaker 4: better at all. So you know, there's a line between
Speaker 4: hurt and into resting and being concerned. I went right
Speaker 4: past that concern horizon. So I went and got it
Speaker 4: checked out earlier this week, couple of days ago. Two
Speaker 4: partial tears and the tendons and the elbow.
Speaker 1: So yeah, those before No I used my hips to throw.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, the transfer.
Speaker 4: What's funny is what I say yesterday when I was
Speaker 4: we were talking, we were talking, I say that was
Speaker 4: on me because I didn't crow hop for that distance
Speaker 4: I was. I really was trying to shoot four and
Speaker 4: he was round and third.
Speaker 1: I got no chance.
Speaker 4: I had no chance, but I gave it all shoulder
Speaker 4: and arm. I didn't crow hop to generate the power.
Speaker 1: Number three. I have a number of things.
Speaker 4: That are this wrong with the story right before we
Speaker 4: get into news, and those number one that's the news
Speaker 4: and number no. Number one, how did the ball get
Speaker 4: behind you? Okay, you be playing back for he smoked.
Speaker 4: It just just saying that's that's problem number one, he smoked.
Speaker 1: The problem number two is you didn't usually blame it
Speaker 1: on the picture ahead.
Speaker 4: I'm not going I don't throw my guy. You didn't
Speaker 4: get a jump on the back. I don't care get
Speaker 4: a jump on the back got behind you. Number two,
Speaker 4: you try to use your arm and not your hips.
Speaker 4: I agree with the third part. Okay, okay.
Speaker 1: Number three, you were doing bicep girls.
Speaker 4: All right, Yeah, I can't say the last time I
Speaker 4: did bicy curls, but you were doing bicy girls after
Speaker 4: an injury?
Speaker 1: Hammer and number four, how is that I am not
Speaker 1: on this team? Huh?
Speaker 4: I don't understand how I did not get an invite. Oh,
Speaker 4: I didn't know you want to You're busy man. You
Speaker 4: didn't know it's a basement. I know that you're a
Speaker 4: baseball player, but I didn't know you still got down
Speaker 4: with the get down like I still get down draft.
Speaker 5: Have you missed every celebrity baseball tournament we've had in
Speaker 5: the past three years?
Speaker 4: But that's celebrity turn for the Cowboys. I don't get
Speaker 4: regularly that you're ready to get down, because I regularly
Speaker 4: get down with the get down like two three times
Speaker 4: a week. The first person I'm like, ea, sports, I'm
Speaker 4: in the game, noted not it for spring.
Speaker 1: Now you get into news and we just had to
Speaker 1: addressed that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got eight weeks of physical therapy, but I'll
Speaker 4: be back for spring. No, that works because actually, since
Speaker 4: this is Wednesday morning, Cowboys are back on the practice
Speaker 4: field this afternoon, all news and notes are kind of
Speaker 4: stalled for now because we talked about it yesterday. We
Speaker 4: talked about the Josh Butler injury on the day prior.
Speaker 4: So for all of those that are listening, which is everybody,
Speaker 4: because you're cultured and you're smart, you're listen to Talking Cowboys,
Speaker 4: play back those previous two episodes and you'll see what
Speaker 4: the news and notes are. But we will have more
Speaker 4: for you tomorrow after the Cowboys finish their first practice
Speaker 4: to prepare for the Cincinnati Bengals this week. We do
Speaker 4: know if there is at least a solid chance that
Speaker 4: DeMarcus Lawrence sees his twenty one day practice window activated today,
Speaker 4: That's what it looks like it's going toward. When you
Speaker 4: listen to Jerry Jones speak. When you listen to Mike
Speaker 4: McCarthy talk, when you listen to Stephen Jones talk, Let's
Speaker 4: see if they do that. If so, he has more
Speaker 4: than solid chance of returning to the field Monday night
Speaker 4: football against the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 1: That's the key thing.
Speaker 4: Ceedee Lamb's still on track to play. Jake Ferguson expected
Speaker 4: the clear concussion protocol, but you got to be real
Speaker 4: careful about that because you have no clue if that's
Speaker 4: going to happen or not. That's not up to the team.
Speaker 4: That's not up to the team's training staff. That's up
Speaker 4: to the NFL concussion protocol and they're specialists. So for
Speaker 4: that were just monitoring injuries, see who has a chance
Speaker 4: of coming back and who's gonna still be out.
Speaker 1: Isaiah question.
Speaker 4: As we're going to talk about the Cincinnati Bengals offense today. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I would like to know the most recent status if
Speaker 4: anything's changed on your side in regards to Trayvon Diggs
Speaker 4: and Kaylyn Carson. You know, Kayvin Carson is on ir
Speaker 4: So that's that's pretty much that.
Speaker 1: That's that.
Speaker 5: That's four weeks all right, Well, that possibly possibly but
Speaker 5: possibly dosignated for weeks, the way.
Speaker 4: The math, plus the conversations I've been having surrounding Kaitlin Mary.
Speaker 1: I think this is season season.
Speaker 4: I think this is it season because keep in mind,
Speaker 4: before they put him on I r I said right
Speaker 4: in the seat, and I said, I'm not hearing great
Speaker 4: things about the Kayln Carson showed the situation as far
Speaker 4: as his how he's recovering from it, and then second
Speaker 4: opinions and things like that, and then he had to
Speaker 4: set back after a couple of games being activated. So
Speaker 4: I think he's just shut down until next year.
Speaker 5: At least we have Josh Butler right, No, because he's
Speaker 5: on IR.
Speaker 4: You will ideally before the season ends. He's down two
Speaker 4: to three games with the miniscus. But that's that's a
Speaker 4: blessing for one, Yeah, because it really looked bad with
Speaker 4: him getting carted off.
Speaker 5: Trade and being physicious. Maybe it's bad.
Speaker 1: You have Trayvon.
Speaker 4: Maybe they're speaking positively about Treyvon this week, and hopefully
Speaker 4: you'll have for the first time as starters for all
Speaker 4: three Jordan Lewis, Trevon Diggs, and Deron Blant on the
Speaker 4: field at the same time, and you're going to need
Speaker 4: it against the Cincinnati offense that we'll get into that
Speaker 4: is absolutely nuts out.
Speaker 5: Is that all you had for news and notes?
Speaker 1: That comes to mind unless there's something I'm missing you.
Speaker 5: Okay, So one thing I wanted to bring up from yesterday.
Speaker 5: This is sort of at the end of the day
Speaker 5: four thirty nine pm actually when the story broke, uh,
Speaker 5: Dak Prescott Davin addressed Mike McCarthy and talk about Yeah,
Speaker 5: I want to talk about this.
Speaker 1: A little bit.
Speaker 5: He said that he feels helpless. Obviously he can't fight
Speaker 5: for Mike McCarthy and the extension, he feels that he
Speaker 5: definitely deserves a chance, is what he said.
Speaker 1: That's not the main part.
Speaker 5: Another contract and a chance to coach this team. Amongst
Speaker 5: more influence on his terms.
Speaker 1: Was that again is Dak.
Speaker 5: That was the last part on his terms, Mike McCarthy's terms.
Speaker 1: That's quote from QB one.
Speaker 5: How do you feel about that? I mean, do we
Speaker 5: like that Dak Prescott is finding for Mike MacCarthy. We
Speaker 5: talked about it yesterday. If Mike McCarthy wins out the
Speaker 5: rest of the season, you are obligated to bring him back.
Speaker 4: Arguably, Yeah, you gotta love when QB one on any
Speaker 4: team fights for their head coach, especially when their head
Speaker 4: coach is doing so much to overcome so much. When
Speaker 4: you talk about adversity that we were talking about yesterday,
Speaker 4: and the fact that McCarthy, even at three and seven,
Speaker 4: never lost this locker room, the locker room never fractured.
Speaker 4: They were still bought in with him. They were still
Speaker 4: working on buying in with the Mike Zimber defense, but
Speaker 4: they never they were never not bought in on Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 4: And then you know the personal relationship between Dak and
Speaker 4: McCarthy and how close they are off the field. You
Speaker 4: saw McCarthy make a B line and training camp and
Speaker 4: Knox Snard to play with you know, Dak's daughter, Dak's
Speaker 4: baby daughter.
Speaker 1: So I mean you love to see that.
Speaker 4: I will say this because Dak also fought this hard
Speaker 4: for Jason Garrett.
Speaker 1: If Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones.
Speaker 4: Decide that this is the end for Mike McCarthy, really
Speaker 4: doesn't matter how much QB one fights for him.
Speaker 1: The end is the end of quest. But I will
Speaker 1: say it does have some.
Speaker 5: Weight Tommy in your experience. You haven't been here the
Speaker 5: whole season. You were here for training camp, obviously, but
Speaker 5: I want to get your thoughts on these comments and
Speaker 5: see kind of what you're thinking, is how you interpret
Speaker 5: dex comments from Misterday.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think me and no Se kind of think
Speaker 6: the same way in terms of you obviously like to
Speaker 6: hear that from your starting quarterback, and it's similar to
Speaker 6: some of the stuff that we've been hearing from pundits
Speaker 6: and talking heads and even guys like Troy Aikman around
Speaker 6: the league in the last couple of weeks saying, Hey,
Speaker 6: Mike McCarthy's a good ball coach and that record tracks.
Speaker 6: I mean, everywhere he's been he's won. I think this
Speaker 6: year when you look at it, I'm not trying to
Speaker 6: make excuses for the guy or I think it is
Speaker 6: inexcusable to be five and seven when you've been twelve
Speaker 6: and five and three straight years. But when you look
Speaker 6: at just the array of injuries that this team has
Speaker 6: had and the cards that Mike McCarthy's been dealt, I mean,
Speaker 6: to go three and seven and not lose the locker
Speaker 6: room and somehow find a way to put together two
Speaker 6: wins and five days of our division opponents, that to
Speaker 6: me is something good that you can build off of now.
Speaker 1: Is that enough to save.
Speaker 6: His job if say they go three and two the
Speaker 6: rest of the way or two and three.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 6: But what I do know is that Micha McCarthy is
Speaker 6: a good football coach, and I think that that's reflected
Speaker 6: in how his players feel about him, how the locker
Speaker 6: room feels about him, and just overall his coaching trajectory
Speaker 6: in the past.
Speaker 5: There's no doubt he's a great football coach. Iaiya, if
Speaker 5: they don't win out, if they'd go three and two
Speaker 5: or two and three, what are your feelings on mich
Speaker 5: McCarthy's future here in Dallas.
Speaker 1: I like coach McCarthy.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna highlight one portion of Deck's comments,
Speaker 4: but I think most people are just kind of blowing
Speaker 4: by hey highlights choosing to grab that marker, Buddy, I
Speaker 4: don't care what color highlight of you guys get, but
Speaker 4: on my screener head here is blue. Okay, another contract
Speaker 4: that's not the part and a chance to this is
Speaker 4: where you get your highlighter. Out Coach this team, amongst
Speaker 4: more influence on his terms may be a good way
Speaker 4: to say it. Run that back, uh, coach this team
Speaker 4: amongst more influenced. What what's what's coach McCarthy's title, Hey coach, okay,
Speaker 4: so this is your QB one highest paid player in
Speaker 4: the league, saying that the head coach of his team
Speaker 4: needs more influence aka power decision.
Speaker 1: Makers things like that, Okay, on his terms, he said it.
Speaker 1: It may be a good way to say it. He
Speaker 1: said it.
Speaker 4: That was that was him pulling the e break before
Speaker 4: he went all the way off the rail right there.
Speaker 1: That He's like, he was like, I went too far.
Speaker 4: The fast and furious, you know what I'm saying, a
Speaker 4: little fast and furious that you know whatever episode twenty
Speaker 4: little you turn that speaks volumes to me.
Speaker 1: And I don't know we can really go on that,
Speaker 1: but that that to me.
Speaker 5: Just you're feeling to it. You don't have to come
Speaker 5: on as if he that Dak.
Speaker 4: If I can read between the lines here, I know
Speaker 4: it's not Friday. I'm trying to work into it, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. I feel as if he's saying
Speaker 4: that Mike McCarthy doesn't have almighty power as a head coach.
Speaker 1: He doesn't and that during his tenure.
Speaker 4: He apparently from these comments, what I'm reading through has
Speaker 4: not had the decision making power to do things his way.
Speaker 1: In totality, which coaches do.
Speaker 5: Belichick, are they currently coaching? I mean, that's another question.
Speaker 4: I mean again, but a lot of times if the
Speaker 4: head coach doesn't have full power, they have a lot
Speaker 4: of it, you know, they have a lot of it.
Speaker 4: And there's always a thing about you know, double j
Speaker 4: mister Jones, you know, not giving up that title on
Speaker 4: all those things. And I've always kind of thrown it
Speaker 4: to the win, be honest with you, you know, because I'm
Speaker 4: here a lot you guys are here more and I
Speaker 4: just don't see his hand on every aspect. I don't
Speaker 4: see him in the meeting room, don't see him doing
Speaker 4: those things that everybody says about him.
Speaker 1: So I disregard a lot of those comments.
Speaker 4: But then when you have QB one come out and
Speaker 4: say something like this, it kind of brings it back
Speaker 4: to the to the surface, and it makes you wonder
Speaker 4: what conditions has Mike McCarthy been coaching under and what
Speaker 4: would have been different.
Speaker 1: To date had he had had more power and influence.
Speaker 4: You should the word influence to incite that the head
Speaker 4: coach doesn't have the ability to influence the team the
Speaker 4: way he wants to.
Speaker 1: That's a major, but a major comment to me.
Speaker 5: I don't think he's saying that he doesn't have influence.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, say not say not influence. He said
Speaker 4: more influence, which means that he does not have the ability.
Speaker 4: That just QB one saying that he can't do what
Speaker 4: he wants to do. He can't, not to a degree.
Speaker 4: So I think it's okay, let me qualify. I don't
Speaker 4: believe that there's a scenario wherein Mike McCarthy has zero influence.
Speaker 4: That is not true. Okay, The question is how much
Speaker 4: in thrust does he have? Because he has a good
Speaker 4: bit of influence, but that's subjective. What does a good
Speaker 4: bit look like as far as getting it in totality?
Speaker 1: He doesn't. You're right, he doesn't have that. Will he
Speaker 1: ever have it? No? Any head coach have it? Probably not.
Speaker 4: Let's given example, if there was somebody on this roster
Speaker 4: that he did not win on his roster, would he
Speaker 4: have the power to say no?
Speaker 1: Depending on who it is?
Speaker 4: I suppose, And when I say that, let's say now
Speaker 4: I don't want to say names, but let's say it
Speaker 4: was a high profile position player, that Mike McCarthy was like,
Speaker 4: you know what, I think it's time to move on
Speaker 4: from this guy. If it's a high profile position player
Speaker 4: who's still producing, probably get vetoed. And that's what I
Speaker 4: mean when I say and that's always going to be
Speaker 4: a head coach versus a front office decision, right, because
Speaker 4: the front office is going to feel a way about
Speaker 4: a particular player.
Speaker 1: And go back to the Parcels era.
Speaker 4: The player, okay, the player, you know who the player
Speaker 4: was too, right, there was a distinct line drawn between
Speaker 4: Parcels in the front office when it came to Toyo. Now,
Speaker 4: ultimately Parceles got his way, right, But even Bill Parcells,
Speaker 4: the Great Bill Parcells, who had achieved everything he had
Speaker 4: achieved before he even got to Dallas, still had to
Speaker 4: contend with ownership of the team.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: So, whether it be McCarthy here, Garrett here, the next
Speaker 4: coach here, a coach and since Zach Taylor and Cincinnati
Speaker 4: or Mike Daniels in Miami, the coach is not going
Speaker 4: to have unless your name is Bill Belichick, you're not
Speaker 4: going to have totally. What about your ability to discipline players,
Speaker 4: Now that that's a good question. If you get disrespected
Speaker 4: by a player in this day and age, right, you
Speaker 4: have so, Sam, So this is just throwing it out there.
Speaker 4: What if I might get disrespected by players? Not that,
Speaker 4: not that irish Pittsburgh guy. So, like I'm saying, but
Speaker 4: if you have, if you were to have players on
Speaker 4: your team blatantly disrespect you and your authority because they
Speaker 4: understand that you don't have all.
Speaker 1: Authority, what what position does that put you in as
Speaker 1: a head coach?
Speaker 5: Not great Bob, not great Bob, n GB all right,
Speaker 5: but will take this conversation a lot more interesting the
Speaker 5: more we win, because I want to see how this goes.
Speaker 5: I want to see how this goes. I want to
Speaker 5: see a winning arguably a winning record towards the end
Speaker 5: of the season and see if this is even a
Speaker 5: conversation later on.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what I think Dak was hinting at
Speaker 4: more than anything is free agency. I think that's what
Speaker 4: Dak was hinting at, more than anything. I think that Mike,
Speaker 4: this is my opinion. I believe Mike McCarthy would have
Speaker 4: loved to see bigger moves being made in this past
Speaker 4: free agency wave, knowing he was going into a fifth
Speaker 4: year approve it year for him right, And of course
Speaker 4: the Cowboys did not. They pivoted on what their definition
Speaker 4: of all land meant. And then Mike McCarthy went in
Speaker 4: the training camp still looking for pieces on both sides
Speaker 4: of the ball, including to try to build up for
Speaker 4: Zimmer on the defensive side. So I think that's more
Speaker 4: than anything what Dak is saying, give this guy. I
Speaker 4: don't know if you're going to give him kart blotch,
Speaker 4: but give him more control over saying and free agency.
Speaker 4: I want this guy signed, this guy, get this deal done,
Speaker 4: work it out, because then it's on the front office
Speaker 4: to work out the contractuals. Is not for the head
Speaker 4: coach to care about the salary count. It's for the
Speaker 4: head coach to say, these are my needs. This is
Speaker 4: where we all the deve batista give me what I
Speaker 4: want type thing. So I think that's more so what
Speaker 4: Deck is talking about personnel building.
Speaker 5: We have to take our first break when we come back.
Speaker 5: We have to start previewing the Cowboys defense versus the
Speaker 5: Cincinnati Bengals.
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Speaker 5: It's time to break down the Cincinnati Bengals and their
Speaker 5: vaunted offense. Tommy Yarsh, I want to start with you
Speaker 5: are Are they what their four and eight record says
Speaker 5: they are.
Speaker 6: This is such an interesting argument because I think that
Speaker 6: there is never a clear answer in terms of like
Speaker 6: every time a team's.
Speaker 5: Record according to Bill Parcells, and I.
Speaker 6: Understand, I think it is such a case by case basis,
Speaker 6: and you look at how these games have played out
Speaker 6: for each team. In Cincinnati's case, you want to guess
Speaker 6: how many of their eight losses were by one possession?
Speaker 5: Seven?
Speaker 6: Seven of their eight losses all by one possession. The
Speaker 6: only one that wasn't was to Philadelphia, And so when
Speaker 6: I look at that, you wonder, Okay, why, I think
Speaker 6: the glaring reason is their defense. I mean, they they
Speaker 6: couldn't stop a nosebleed for most of these games. But
Speaker 6: that in turn leads to, Okay, well, what is the
Speaker 6: offense not doing that can't get them over that hump?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 6: And I think that when I look at this Cincinnati team,
Speaker 6: there are a lot of similarities to Dallas in terms
Speaker 6: of the run game. It's something they've been struggling to
Speaker 6: get going. Chase Brown and Rico Daddle kind of having
Speaker 6: similar seasons. I think they're right around that six hundred
Speaker 6: and six to seventy five yard rushing Mark Brown's got
Speaker 6: six touchdowns, Rico's got one, But they don't have a
Speaker 6: good enough run game, I think, to really open things
Speaker 6: up for that offense. And you consider that with the
Speaker 6: fact that Joe Burrow still is the NFL's leading passer,
Speaker 6: Jamar Chase is the NFL's leading receiver, and that just
Speaker 6: tells you how good they've been to counteract that. But
Speaker 6: that run game, I think, you know, has really if
Speaker 6: it opens up more. Then this is a really good team.
Speaker 6: But the defense too is kind is kind of holding
Speaker 6: them back. They traded for Khalil Herbert. He hasn't really
Speaker 6: gotten terribly involved in this offense yet. I think maybe
Speaker 6: that's something that could spark, you know, something in the
Speaker 6: run game too. I feel like he can and bring
Speaker 6: some good value to that team. But man, it's just
Speaker 6: been some tough sledding for them in some of these games.
Speaker 5: Well, the only team they've actually beaten have been the Panthers,
Speaker 5: the Giants, the Browns, and the Raiders.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they found a way to lose on other games.
Speaker 5: All those other games, Like you said, only one game
Speaker 5: not not by over a touchdown and they they all.
Speaker 5: Offense has averaged thirty points per game versus teams over
Speaker 5: five hundred this season, which is the best in the league. However,
Speaker 5: their defense has allowed the most points per game thirty
Speaker 5: six point four versus teams five hundred. Are better.
Speaker 6: They've scored more points per game and losses than they
Speaker 6: have in wins.
Speaker 1: That's a crazy stitch that tells you all you need
Speaker 1: to narrow.
Speaker 5: I think it does. I think it does. So how
Speaker 5: does the Dallas Cowboys defense cool down?
Speaker 1: Joey. But well with all the corners you have, of course.
Speaker 5: And then think you've got a lot of them.
Speaker 1: Dude, what are you talking about the conversations and the thanks?
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, Well let me ask you this then, are
Speaker 5: you relying more this being the secondary being what it is?
Speaker 5: Are you relying more now on the secondary beat up
Speaker 5: or the defensive line?
Speaker 4: D line has to go crazy, they have to go now,
Speaker 4: so which they're doing right in the last few weeks.
Speaker 4: I think Dallas is at the top of the league
Speaker 4: in terms of pressures, I believe. So I think that
Speaker 4: that's that department is taking care of yourself as you're
Speaker 4: getting healthier on the defensive front, so hopefully more help
Speaker 4: us on the way so that you continue to improve. Right, So,
Speaker 4: if you're going to lack in your secondary, then you
Speaker 4: have to be dominant in your in your in your
Speaker 4: front seven so that you can force arrant throws, you
Speaker 4: can get the ball out their hands quicker, all those
Speaker 4: type of things. Right, More inaccuracy allows for more opportunities.
Speaker 4: But if you cannot have a combination of no pass
Speaker 4: rush and lack of depth at cornerback, that's just terrible,
Speaker 4: especially when you're playing against the number one passent team
Speaker 4: in the league. Joe Burrow doesn't make a lot of mistakes.
Speaker 4: His guys are open. Their schemes are nice. Offensive schemes
Speaker 4: are really really nice. They do a good job of
Speaker 4: scheming things up, whether that's in the form of very
Speaker 4: elusive disguise screens that don't even look like screens. They
Speaker 4: look like just regular pass plays, but they're literally set
Speaker 4: up to be downfield blocking, or they're three by one.
Speaker 4: They do a lot of three by one sets where
Speaker 4: they really just overload your defense. So it doesn't necessarily
Speaker 4: bode well for teams that play a lot his own
Speaker 4: because you know, you flood that you flood that particular
Speaker 4: area of the field. So Dallas is gonna have to
Speaker 4: do a great job of communicating because we know that
Speaker 4: they like to play zone. Especially when you're down on
Speaker 4: your cornerbacks. You're gonna be forced to play zone because
Speaker 4: you don't have the confidence that these guys can play
Speaker 4: man to man.
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be difficult in that regard.
Speaker 4: And we saw what Cincinnati we've seen, but we definitely
Speaker 4: saw what they are capable of. This most recent week,
Speaker 4: they put points up man and their guys make plays
Speaker 4: and Burrow puts the ball on the money and they
Speaker 4: do good things there. They have a capable running game.
Speaker 4: They have a capable running game. He just hasn't been
Speaker 4: there for whatever reason because they focus so much on
Speaker 4: the past.
Speaker 1: But Brown is a beast in the backfield, So don't
Speaker 1: don't slip on that now.
Speaker 4: I don't know if everybody saw one of the runs
Speaker 4: that he had, but he doesn't look like he's moving,
Speaker 4: but he's moving. So these guys can do some things
Speaker 4: on both the ground game in the passing game, but
Speaker 4: ultimately they just want to line it up and spread
Speaker 4: you out. They want to spread it out and make
Speaker 4: you cover their guys sideline to sideline.
Speaker 5: Well, to argue your point really quick about the D line,
Speaker 5: you'd see the last game and you'd kind of want
Speaker 5: to replicate what TJ. Watt did to the Bengals and
Speaker 5: the Bengals offense and to Joey Burrows the best exactly. However,
Speaker 5: they still put up thirty eight points. To me, the
Speaker 5: secondary is more crucial in getting this win because there
Speaker 5: is no there's no way the Dallas Cowy's offense as
Speaker 5: it stands, as we've seen the last three weeks is
Speaker 5: going to score more than thirty five points. That's where
Speaker 5: I'm I'm hesitant.
Speaker 4: I hear you, but I countered that because the reality is,
Speaker 4: if Trayvon can't play, right to just to say that
Speaker 4: Trayvon can't play because I don't feel good about his
Speaker 4: ability to play, just my inkling. If Trayvon can't play,
Speaker 4: and now you're out there with durn blaying Dern playing
Speaker 4: won't follow because he's not allowed to follow. Now, all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, I can put my single receiver on
Speaker 4: duran Bland side, and I can put my three receivers
Speaker 4: on the opposing side, and I could just ledge your zone.
Speaker 4: And you don't have the guys to cover me. You
Speaker 4: can't cover me. You can't cover it. You don't have
Speaker 4: own you don't have the personnel to cover me. That's
Speaker 4: just facts, right. You can scheme it up right, or
Speaker 4: my defensive line can do such a great job that
Speaker 4: now he's getting the ball out before he wants to,
Speaker 4: or he's throwing the ball less accurately than he would
Speaker 4: have had he been able to sit back on his
Speaker 4: back leage comfortably. So that's why I say the D
Speaker 4: line is more important. That's my stance because if he
Speaker 4: has time, you have competence that these guys can cover them.
Speaker 4: Because that's the conversation. Yeah, yeah, I'm Withah on this head.
Speaker 3: No, just really quickly.
Speaker 1: That don't mean it inter up.
Speaker 6: But to add on to that, even if your defensive
Speaker 6: line gets good pressure, that's where your linebackers have to
Speaker 6: step up and finish. Because this is I think the
Speaker 6: best season that Joe Burrow is moving around in the
Speaker 6: pocket and extending plays. Not not much of a scra
Speaker 6: like even on the scramble too, but if he's able
Speaker 6: to move around there and still be accurate, that's that's
Speaker 6: I think that's his best trait.
Speaker 1: He's finding the pockets in the pocket.
Speaker 5: And we're focused on Jamar. Chase T Higgins is also
Speaker 5: having a season season he's averaged still there.
Speaker 1: He's averaging eighty y offseason stuff.
Speaker 5: Imagine what a wide receiver to on the Cowboys offense
Speaker 5: that would average eighty yards a game. Imagine what that
Speaker 5: would do. Imagine that wouldn't that be nice? Would that
Speaker 5: be grand?
Speaker 4: I One agree with Isaiah. You got to get out
Speaker 4: to Joe Burrow. And I'll add an addendum to that note.
Speaker 4: You have to get after him without blitzing. If you
Speaker 4: can help me, yes, because you cannot afford against let
Speaker 4: guys right against this receiver corps and Joe Burrow to
Speaker 4: take somebody out of coverage, to take another linebacker and
Speaker 4: send him every once in a while, mix it up absolutely,
Speaker 4: get to Mayo on overshow and making him uncomfortable every
Speaker 4: once in a while. But you need to win with
Speaker 4: your front four on defense time and again. And the
Speaker 4: good news is is you can because the offensive line
Speaker 4: of Cincinnati is highly sus. It is sus They've allowed
Speaker 4: thirty six on Joe Burrow over twelve games.
Speaker 1: That's two and a half per game. You can get
Speaker 1: back there.
Speaker 4: Their interior, all offensive lineman, they're giving up the most
Speaker 4: six sacs allowed by Cordell Volsen, six sacs allowed by
Speaker 4: Alex Kappa. I'm looking at Mazzi Smith as he trends
Speaker 4: in the right direction.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at.
Speaker 4: OsO Diggi Zoo as he finds the top gear that
Speaker 4: we've seen from Osa the past couple of seasons or so.
Speaker 1: I'm looking for that interior to dominate.
Speaker 4: Which will then allow for a guy like Michael Parsons
Speaker 4: to marvey on overshown Chauncey ghosting on the edge to
Speaker 4: do more work.
Speaker 1: Carl Lawson, who has come on so strong, had.
Speaker 4: Five QB hits against Drew Locke alone, which was the
Speaker 4: team high last week. So if you attack with your
Speaker 4: front four and they can win their matchups, especially on
Speaker 4: the interior where the Bengals offensive line can be had
Speaker 4: that is a soft spot for them, then you will
Speaker 4: have more success in the secondary because, especially from four,
Speaker 4: you won't have that extra guy dropping down. It makes
Speaker 4: it more difficult for Joe Burrow. Now again, like I said,
Speaker 4: I said, Burrow is excelling at finding the pocket.
Speaker 1: Within the pocket. He can move those feet, he can
Speaker 1: move them.
Speaker 4: But if if you keep that extra guy back in coverage,
Speaker 4: it makes it that much more difficult for him to
Speaker 4: throw to tight windows and figure out where the added
Speaker 4: man is, where the double coverage is, who's shading this way,
Speaker 4: who's cheating that way. Then you get an interception or
Speaker 4: at least an opportunity for it. And that goes to
Speaker 4: my second and final point for this part. You have
Speaker 4: to take this ball away. You have to take this
Speaker 4: ball away. We talked about time of possession and how
Speaker 4: that marries with the efficiency and what you're doing with
Speaker 4: the time of possession.
Speaker 1: Don't just own time of possession, but you have to
Speaker 1: control it.
Speaker 4: Take the ball away so that you can help yourself
Speaker 4: get more possession time. Keep Joe Burrow in that offense
Speaker 4: on the sideline, because you want the Bengals defense on
Speaker 4: that field for as long as humanly possible.
Speaker 1: They are horrid this season.
Speaker 5: Horrid quickly. Confidence level if Trayvon Diggs does not play.
Speaker 1: Competence and what the ability to stop this passing game?
Speaker 4: Yes, honestly, if I'm not being a jerk, even if
Speaker 4: he does play, Oh, I'm just being Even if he
Speaker 4: does play, I haven't seen enough from him this year.
Speaker 4: So even if he does play, I don't think he's
Speaker 4: ready to handle Jamar Chase in a one on one
Speaker 4: setting but this year.
Speaker 1: But we haven't seen him on the field with Bland.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 4: So that means we haven't seen how quarterbacks will have
Speaker 4: to adjust.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 4: But I still am of the mindset that Dran Bland
Speaker 4: and Trayvon Diggs are better man a man defenders, and
Speaker 4: they're not playing they're not playing Manda Man, so they
Speaker 4: are to me as good as they are individually they're
Speaker 4: playing as a shell of what I believe that they're
Speaker 4: capable of doing what we've seen of them the last
Speaker 4: few years. If Diggs doesn't play, that's a lot of
Speaker 4: pressure on Izzy, who's more than solid. I have been
Speaker 4: continually impressed with Mukwamou's ability to step in when his
Speaker 4: number is called and do some very positive things that
Speaker 4: impact games, both as a coverage guy and in run defense.
Speaker 4: But again, you make it easier on him and everybody
Speaker 4: else in the secondary by winning your front four, winning
Speaker 4: your matchups in the front four. To answer your question, though,
Speaker 4: without Digs, I do like this past rush Quird's going,
Speaker 4: So I'll give them still a sixty percent chance of
Speaker 4: getting it done without Diggs.
Speaker 6: Tommy, I'm leaning more with Isaiah here. I don't I
Speaker 6: would say, like on a scale of one to ten,
Speaker 6: maybe like two to three, you know, even like even.
Speaker 5: With leading NFL passer leading NFL exactly that that says
Speaker 5: I get.
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at the soft part of their beat.
Speaker 3: Oh you're you're right.
Speaker 6: As good as the past rush has been. I think
Speaker 6: the thing that changes that is Burrow's ability to move
Speaker 6: around in the pocket and step up and make those
Speaker 6: kinds of throws this year that he's done better than
Speaker 6: I think he has in his career. And so you
Speaker 6: pair that with the fact that, Okay, if Trayvon Diggs
Speaker 6: doesn't play, the more than likely route this is going
Speaker 6: to go is a shootout type of game, like that
Speaker 6: would have to be how win That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: That would have to be how Dallas would win this game.
Speaker 6: And I don't see them winning the.
Speaker 5: Shootout even with the Cincinnati Biggles defense the way it is,
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Speaker 5: Yeah, science, Yeah right.
Speaker 4: So we're going to shift to a positive thing, which
Speaker 4: is the Cowboys' offense going against one of the worst
Speaker 4: NFL defenses I've ever seen in my life when it
Speaker 4: comes to the Bengals. So we'll we'll dive deeper into
Speaker 4: what the Bengals defense does and does not do well,
Speaker 4: what they do do not do well tomorrow. But here's
Speaker 4: a segue. This is shout out to Pro Football Network.
Speaker 4: I was doing some digging last night research wise, and
Speaker 4: I came up across some stats that I knew they
Speaker 4: were bad, but Holy Moses, Sandals, these dudes are abysmo.
Speaker 4: PFN has a metric wherein they grade every team, every
Speaker 4: defense each season dating back to twenty nineteen. So in totality,
Speaker 4: that's one hundred and ninety two defenses that they've scored
Speaker 4: and ranked since twenty nineteen. Based on out those one
Speaker 4: ninety two, the Bengals defense in twenty twenty four ranks
Speaker 4: one hundred and seventy ninth out of one hundred and
Speaker 4: ninety two defenses over the past half decades.
Speaker 1: So no, not on the bottom. Actually they are at
Speaker 1: the bottom.
Speaker 4: The fine bottom of my bread because they are one
Speaker 4: hundred percent right there sniffing the carpet.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 4: Now that being said, there's one guy you got to
Speaker 4: keep an eye on, and his name is Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 1: Oh that guy, he's an absolutely prob. He leads the
Speaker 1: league in size. Ye that guy.
Speaker 4: Now here's what you if you can contain him, and
Speaker 4: that's going to be a tall order even if you
Speaker 4: had a healthy and stout left tackle situation. But you
Speaker 4: don't because guy and is dealing with an additional Hindko sprain.
Speaker 4: Some riches is on ir now, So it's Chumway doga.
Speaker 4: Maybe Matt will let's go. So challenge extreme exceedingly difficult
Speaker 4: for the Cowboys. But when Hendrix is off of the field,
Speaker 4: this is where you gotta take advantage of it. When
Speaker 4: he goes to get a breather, you better have some fun.
Speaker 4: When he's on the field, they're twenty third ranked in pressure,
Speaker 4: which is not terrific, but it's it's solid enough. When
Speaker 4: he goes to get some gatorade, they dropped a thirty
Speaker 4: second immediately the moment he walks off the field, pressure
Speaker 4: thirty two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yess.
Speaker 4: Soon as he goes in as soon as he goes
Speaker 4: and gets some hydration. Yea, bengers can't get it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: let it rain, so yeah, take advantage of it. Try
Speaker 4: to block him when he's on the field. When he's
Speaker 4: off the field, man, just just drop back and have
Speaker 4: a ball. Now that being said, here's where it also matters,
Speaker 4: and it comes to Cooper Rush. I didn't realize this.
Speaker 4: I know that he had a fast release, but Cooper
Speaker 4: Rush's time to throw his release was measured over his
Speaker 4: last three starts against the other thirty one NFL quarterbacks
Speaker 4: starting quarterbacks and Cooper Rush right now. The reason yesterday
Speaker 4: when I brought it up and I said, he was
Speaker 4: really effective against the Blitz over the past couple of games,
Speaker 4: even though he struggled with the deep ball before two.
Speaker 1: Point twenty six seconds. That's impressive.
Speaker 4: It's it's second best, second quickest in the league usually
Speaker 4: round two four. There's only one player that has a
Speaker 4: quicker throw than Cooper Rush.
Speaker 1: Would you like to guess?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the fastest arm in the NFL, and you
Speaker 4: know it's to Ta gets that ball out. So Cooper
Speaker 4: Rush has a faster throw pattern than anyone in the
Speaker 4: league not named to as that's impressive. So if you
Speaker 4: can contain Trey Hendrickson, that basically neutralizes the pass rush,
Speaker 4: and then you're just looking at the ten or eleven
Speaker 4: guys whoever's spelling Trey Hendrickson as you know, one of
Speaker 4: the historically worst defenses in the league, and Cooper Rush,
Speaker 4: who has been performing well against the blitz, which means
Speaker 4: they because they can't get pressure with their front forward,
Speaker 4: guess what they're gonna do blitz.
Speaker 1: This starts to work in your favor.
Speaker 4: So now the only task is make sure that you
Speaker 4: don't have a random case of the drop ceas CD,
Speaker 4: make sure that Brandon Cooks is still getting involved like
Speaker 4: you got it involved in his first game back, and
Speaker 4: then ask your role players to step in and do
Speaker 4: more and hopefully you get Jake back that will really
Speaker 4: stress him of the seams in their linebacker course. So
Speaker 4: good news is you're not just going against a bad
Speaker 4: defense with the Cincinnati Bengals. You're going against one of
Speaker 4: the worst you've ever seen. You have to take advantage
Speaker 4: of it.
Speaker 5: I'll be interested to see what the injury report looks
Speaker 5: like today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, same same seeds.
Speaker 5: That'll be really insane.
Speaker 1: Same seeds.
Speaker 5: How we're looking go ahead, Tommy.
Speaker 6: So I got a concept here if you got like concepts.
Speaker 6: So at left tackle this year, we've seen the Cowboys
Speaker 6: send help Tyler Guiden's way, whether that be a lot
Speaker 6: of the running back on that side.
Speaker 1: Tight end whatever.
Speaker 6: Last week a couple of times they brought in Matt
Speaker 6: will Let's go and made him eligible. So you get
Speaker 6: six offensive linemen out there. Essentially, I'm a fan of
Speaker 6: that type of concept. So would that be a horrible
Speaker 6: idea to put that out there? And I know that
Speaker 6: this team loves to throw the ball, but with the
Speaker 6: game that Rico Dowdell just had, do you try and
Speaker 6: just bully.
Speaker 1: Ball at the line of scrimmage? That is one way.
Speaker 6: It's one way to nutralized Tree Hendrickson, and it's one
Speaker 6: way to stay on the field.
Speaker 1: Run that clock.
Speaker 6: So hey, because that those are the two those are
Speaker 6: the two avenuester victory for the Cowboys. One you want
Speaker 6: to shoot out? Yeah, I don't know, play keep away,
Speaker 6: play keep keep you play keep and that done yet?
Speaker 6: And it was one thing, uh that that concept when
Speaker 6: I first started seeing it was last year. I know
Speaker 6: I'm a Texas guy, I'm biased, but Sarks started doing
Speaker 6: that last year, and that was a big reason why
Speaker 6: I think Jonathan Brooks had the year that he had
Speaker 6: at Texas because at times they bring in that six
Speaker 6: offensive lineman and you just can't get any push up front.
Speaker 1: So if you do that.
Speaker 6: Against what you were saying, one of the worst statistical
Speaker 6: defenses in NFL since twenty nineteen nineteen, the last five years,
Speaker 6: then you just play bullyball. I mean, if you bring
Speaker 6: like a brock Hoffman in there, if Black Martin comes back,
Speaker 6: I mean.
Speaker 4: That's going to be key to watch because if Martin
Speaker 4: is ready to go, he's playing.
Speaker 3: He's playing.
Speaker 4: But I would love to keep Hoffman involved. You have
Speaker 4: to keep him, especially with just something.
Speaker 1: Full back dive with a rock off wishbone.
Speaker 5: I've been championing twelve personnel from the beginning, like at
Speaker 5: the twenty five, Like start in twelve person lf Just
Speaker 5: run the day ball in goal line formation from the
Speaker 5: twenty five. Just give me that four times in a row.
Speaker 1: Hit it.
Speaker 5: I guarantee you that is a first down and just.
Speaker 1: Keep all right.
Speaker 4: Question, if you had to have a wishbone formation, who
Speaker 4: are your three guys in the backfield?
Speaker 1: Brock hoff Hoffman Bass. See how I was gonna say Bass,
Speaker 1: but then I just thought about it. I don't think
Speaker 1: so who you got? So who's your running back? Who's
Speaker 1: getting the ball? Uh? Okay?
Speaker 4: Son tricks with no no no with the ball.
Speaker 1: No dues can hide behind.
Speaker 5: But he loves dudes. That's what I'm no.
Speaker 1: But to be fair, jokes.
Speaker 4: Said, if you got Hoffman and let's say Bass, and
Speaker 4: I don't know who you're about to say, but hypothetically,
Speaker 4: and you put a diminutive back like duce back there,
Speaker 4: but like now it's now you're trying to find the mouse.
Speaker 1: In the trees, you know what I mean? Like I
Speaker 1: got you. I'd love to see the trees, the mouse
Speaker 1: in the tree.
Speaker 4: Like who's your other who's your other big in the forest?
Speaker 4: Who's your other big fellow in the backfield?
Speaker 1: You Hoffman? And who I got Bass? We got basket?
Speaker 5: Who give me awesome Richards?
Speaker 1: He's on I R.
Speaker 5: You can't talking.
Speaker 1: We're talking this week. We're talking this week.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would think, okay, so basting, Oh, I got
Speaker 4: I got an interesting one. I'm going I got it
Speaker 4: before you say it's not even defense. Okay, I'm going
Speaker 4: Hoffman and MASI, okay.
Speaker 1: I'm going Hoffman in Tyra's.
Speaker 5: Week Special Team is extraordinary.
Speaker 1: MM like, but we.
Speaker 4: Come on, get in your bag, baby, Come on, Shoddy,
Speaker 4: come on, Shoddy, break out the wishbone.
Speaker 1: I need to see it.
Speaker 5: I'd love to see it.
Speaker 4: I'm down, bro if we see the wish but I
Speaker 4: will go hamm in the press box.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you all right now. It'd be fun though.
Speaker 1: That would be fun.
Speaker 4: Next time I see him in the hallway, I'm telling Shotty, wishbone,
Speaker 4: just put put the stick put the post it note
Speaker 4: on Dorothy's like laptop. When I see tomorrow and I
Speaker 4: have a sticker, he's gonna say, wishbone. I'm gonna slap
Speaker 4: on the shoulder with it. It's gonna be on the shoulders.
Speaker 1: Wishall.
Speaker 5: Is there a bet in place with us?
Speaker 1: No, but that would be awesome. Somebody a lot of
Speaker 1: money if you did that.
Speaker 5: If we see a wish pane, it would be fun.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 1: And they just right because you've got an inception, right.
Speaker 4: So not only first it starts with a little post
Speaker 4: it note with just the word wishbone, and then like
Speaker 4: day two, there's an actual wishbone on his desk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just gotta go.
Speaker 4: You have to keep people guessing, right, you go back
Speaker 4: to what Detroit DA last week?
Speaker 1: Penn A sewel Yeah, was about to throw the ball.
Speaker 5: Get funky with it, keep them guessing.
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Speaker 5: so much for listening to talking cowboys.
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Speaker 5: I don't like this.
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Speaker 5: You know, we could do this all day.
Speaker 1: But we were talking cowboys. We're supposed to talk cowboys.
Speaker 5: But there's a time limit. Friends, I'm talking top boys.
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