WEBVTT - The Burning Food Factory Myth 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:10.200 Oh yeah, Sophie, that's how we opened the episode. I 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:12.760 didn't think anything could be more appalling than that other 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:14.600 thing that you said that I won't know what I 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:18.160 was talking about. Brett Kavanaugh and Clarence Thomas wrapped together 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:22.440 so tightly that they can't tell who's where one person's 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:27.560 skin begins in the other. I balked you right into it, 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:31.640 just like Neil Gorsch walked right into that and then decided, 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:34.920 you know what, in for appendy, in for a pound 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:38.640 of um this is it could happen here. The podcast 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:43.080 about serious problems where we talk about them seriously, and 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:47.200 sometimes about the Supreme Court having a threesome like that, 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:50.320 like that, like that cruise ship where there was a 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:53.520 threesome and then a giant six fight. How's everybody doing today? 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:55.520 I think the opening will work better if we just 0:00:55.560 --> 0:01:00.200 believe and yeah, yes, always bleep outcome uma of a 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:04.759 right there. So I I feel like today we should 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:08.640 chat about one of the many things that's that's a problem, 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:12.399 which is a specific piece of disinformation that is spreading 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:16.319 and not quite like wildfire. It's more spreading like in 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:19.679 the background, like monkey pops on the internet. This is 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:23.680 not like the number one piece of of of of 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:27.440 like conspiratorial nonsense that's getting around, but it's getting around deeply, 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:29.040 and I'm seeing it on the left and the right. 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:31.560 You have if you spend any time at all on 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:36.679 social media, which statistically you do, you've probably seen a 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:41.680 bunch of stories and like freaked out posts about fires 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:47.200 and arson at agricultural facilities and factories of food factories 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:49.920 is often how it's phrased. I think the post I 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:53.040 saw about it that was sort of most emblematic with 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:56.600 someone being like, hey, you know, uh, you're probably not 0:01:56.680 --> 0:02:00.400 aware that some huge number of chickens died in fire 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:03.480 recently and a bunch of cows died in this field, 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:05.440 but if you were, it's the only thing you'd be 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:10.480 talking about. And the idea kind of that people are 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:15.799 pushing when they when they uh catastrophize this is that 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:20.519 there's this massive rash of attacks on American food infrastructure, 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:24.480 UM at a year when we're already due for a 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:28.400 food crisis because of the Ukraine, and um it's going 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:31.680 to be this this big like looming disaster and some 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:35.160 like shady group is trying to starve everybody. UM and 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:39.520 we've brought in a friend to talk about this because 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:42.359 it's it is not at all what what people who 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:44.880 are kind of catastrophizing or saying. Um, and I wanted 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:47.799 to introduce Carl to the show. Carl, how are you doing, buddy? 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:54.320 You know, living living life in a one party state? Yeah? Yay? Um, 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:56.519 I don't know, man. There's a lot of parties these days, 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:59.600 like the one on that cruise ship, uh so, or 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:03.919 the Forward Party, our our favorite, this is a big 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:09.560 Yang Gang podcast. Um. Now, Carl, you and I had 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:11.720 buddies on the old Twitter for a while. You were 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:15.239 the origin of one of the terms that that that 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:20.040 we use a lot on this show. Um. And uh yeah, 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:22.040 I wanted to I wanted to talk to you because 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:25.160 this is this is a pretty potent piece of weaponized 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:29.200 on reality. Um. You have been tracking this for a 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:33.359 while on kind of your own. Yeah. Well, this is 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:36.200 one of those ones that's it sits in between a 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:39.680 lot of the other conspiracies, right so, like you said, 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:45.240 it's it's kind of the background operating thing right now. Um. 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:49.840 And you know, so when we think of the big 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:52.480 conspiracies right now, they kind of revolve around what they 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:56.320 always did, right depopulation, weird n W. Well, like secret 0:03:56.360 --> 0:03:59.920 society stuff, the Q the que brand of that. How 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:01.760 we want to look at this is a little bit 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:07.840 different because this is more overtly political, right, So this 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:12.680 is this is looking to not just dig the hole 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:15.920 of well, everyone's out to get us. Bill Gates is 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:18.560 buying all the farmland, you know, the crazy stuff we 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:21.040 normally I mean, you know that's right in this, but 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:25.920 it's not the center part um. And yeah, I've been 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:29.919 looking at this for a few months now since I 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:32.400 first saw it, and I first saw kind of traces 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:37.560 of this right after the invasion of Ukraine started, so 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:43.080 early March. Things started to kind of shift and nothing 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:46.040 you know, post here and there that are now missing, 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:49.200 stuff like that, the kind of classic well, let's test 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:51.920 the waters. Let's see how people accept the idea that 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:55.440 maybe something else you know, in the in the conspiratorial 0:04:55.480 --> 0:05:00.400 way is going on just as exact exact. It's the 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:03.440 just asking questions, it's just well maybe think about it 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:07.279 kind of thing, and those those pique my interest because 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:11.800 those tend to be test balloons, and for this kind 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:15.400 of thing, I had a weird you know, they're weird feelings. 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:17.040 You kind of get when you watch some of this 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:24.960 as much as we do, yes, yeah, yeah, and you 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:27.680 can kind of sense when the thing has enough ingredients 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:31.279 to catch on exactly, and especially when they're super kind 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:36.200 of inflammatory ingredients, right, you know, the Bill Gates um 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:38.839 buying all the farmland is a good example, not quite 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:42.520 as inflammatory, but catches on because people, you know, it's 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:47.039 it's the social paradelia thing. There's always like, there's always this, 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:49.120 I mean, and this is something again that's a broader 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:51.000 through with conspiracies. There's always a germ of truth. The 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:52.920 germ of truth with that is that Bill Gates has 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:55.159 bought a lot of farmland. Now, if you compare it 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:58.120 to the total quantity of farmland he has bought, very 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:01.160 it's like, yeah, it's a friend point oh three percent 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:03.360 or something. I mean, it's an absolutely tiny amount of 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:06.440 the total, right yeah, Because this this country is I 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:09.680 don't know, if you've looked at him appsently pretty sizeable country, 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:13.080 the United States of America kind of a big place 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:16.920 when you actually look. Yeah, and so the kernel of 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:21.680 truth is there. There there are fires right there, industrial accidents, 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:25.800 there are weird stuff happens in big industrial situations. We 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:29.080 have a large industrial farming situation in this country. So 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:32.000 you see it. And I think part of what makes 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:34.640 the kind of the idea that oh, this is suddenly 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:38.000 happening and it's suddenly like a massive problem easier to 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:41.480 sell to people is that most Americans know next to 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:43.760 nothing about the food supply and how it works. Like 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:46.679 if you have because I grew up in and around farms, 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:49.080 I've been a lot of my life in agricultural areas. 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:54.680 Farms and things related to farms catch on fire fucking constantly. 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:58.200 It may not be yeah, they're they're like I think 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:01.360 they said there are five thousand annual, five thousand annually, 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:06.080 about fifteen a day. I mean, it's it's giant fields 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.800 of dried grain. It's stands of dried grain, and it's 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:11.920 ship like silos full of like flour and stuff, which 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:17.200 is like there's nothing like, yeah, silos explode like like 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:21.520 the like a a silo full of grain is slightly 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:26.119 less explosive than like a military like missile or some ship. 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:29.280 Like they're like they detonate if you catch them at 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:31.680 the right way exactly. And like I know here in 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:33.960 Minnesota a few years ago and there's video of a 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:36.120 floating around. You know, there was a you know, a 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:39.960 corn a corn silo split and the dust goes out 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:42.520 and something you know, a car or engine because it's hot, 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:45.000 sparks it off and it's a fireball. You know. So 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:49.400 these things happen, and I can remember. There was one 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:51.520 of the last things I saw and I went and 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:54.320 covered in Texas before I moved, was there's this little 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:57.240 town called West which is not in West Texas. It's 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:01.840 in North Texas. It's in between um Alice and Waco, 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:05.680 which is in between Dallas and Austin, because no, Waco 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:09.120 is not a destination. And they had this big god 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:12.440 it was some sort of what was the I'm gonna 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:16.280 google what the facility was, uh, but it was it 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:19.920 was this like, um, yeah, it was a fertilizer factory 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:22.880 and it caught on fire. There's a terrifying video of 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:25.000 this guy with his daughter watching it and it goes 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:29.560 off like like a fucking fuel air bomb. The massive exploit. 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:33.080 It killed the entire town's fire department, like all of 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:38.560 them dead in a second. I mean, it was basically 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:43.120 fucking anfo And because it happens this is like I think, um, 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:45.600 it never it's just this big tragedy. If it had 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:47.480 happened a couple of years later, there would have been 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:51.080 like a conspiracy attached to it. It was just, yeah, 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:55.560 it was just slightly too early. But like this ship happened. 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:57.640 I mean, the point of making is that, and that 0:08:57.679 --> 0:08:59.679 we're making here is that like this ship happens all 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:02.240 the time time And to the numbers we were quoting earlier, 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:07.000 there's no evidence whatsoever that there are a higher number 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:10.680 of of these events this year than there ever are. 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:13.760 Basically one of the things that we've seen is as 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:17.040 of like the spring of this year, a list has 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:21.520 been compiled um mainly in places like Gateway, Pundit and 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:25.040 zero Hedge, where they've got like a hundred different events too, 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:27.560 and and it it looks very compelling when you just 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:29.640 see this list of and there's this fire, and this 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:31.800 many chickens died here, and this many cows died, and 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:34.400 there was this explosion. But again, if you actually look 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:37.640 at the number of events that are expected in a year, 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:40.880 there's nothing abnormal about this, and in fact, it's pretty 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:44.319 middle of the road for any year. And like the bird, 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:47.480 the bird calls right, like that's a great example of 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:51.720 this being just absolutely out of the park conspiracy land. 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:54.960 I mean, there's a massive avian flu epidemic going on 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:58.440 right now that's killed more birds, you know, than the 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:02.000 last ten years. And so when you start talking about 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:04.520 you know, three hundred you know, three hundred million birds 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:10.800 worldwide being called whatever the massive numbers. That funny how 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:14.200 avian flu does that, And that's a response. But when 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:17.559 you get into the zero hedge, who is really pushing 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:20.640 this right now world that's one of the top ones 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:22.600 on the list. And it also makes you know they 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:24.560 have their little maps up right now with all the 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:28.360 drop tabs that show right they love doing and there's 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:30.839 a you see this in other conspiracies. I think one 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:33.560 of the big ones that that kind of was a little, 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:36.160 i don't know, on the edge of of of getting 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:39.800 mainstream recently was like the conspiracy about people disappearing at 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:48.720 national parks, where it's like mapped, yeah exactly, like yeah, yeah, 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:52.560 and it's like yeah, man, um, people, there's three fifty 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:55.600 million people in the United States, like and also people 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:57.960 go missing while hiking, and one of the like a 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:00.160 bunch of stuff isn't on that list, like them of 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:02.640 those people who were found again, and what Exactly a 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:04.920 lot of people just like slip and fall and never 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:08.720 a seat again because they falled out a cliff. National 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:11.079 parks are kind of dangerous, funny enough once you're off, 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:15.040 that's why they're fun. Yeah, exactly, there was There was 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:17.079 a whole four wh one documentary made a few years 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:19.160 ago about this person who went missing, you like were 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:22.120 they were They dropped into a secret underground government bunker 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:25.240 where they abducted and they like a year later they 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:27.560 found his body at the bottom of a cliff. Yeah, 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:30.520 and like it it doesn't you know, that doesn't talk 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:34.800 about the horrible stuff done with like especially in Canada 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:38.920 with all of the missing Indigenous women. Is actually it 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:41.640 is actually a big problem. But I mean to back 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:43.400 to back to the fact, back to like the farming thing. 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:45.839 I think what all of these you know stories show 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:50.080 is just the innate holder of industrial farming. It's actually 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:56.880 the scary Yeah, yeah, it is absolutely scary, um, but 0:11:56.920 --> 0:12:00.520 it's also like normal scary. Like the thing it's scary 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:04.160 is that the system of industrial farming is incredibly dangerous 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:07.000 and like, if you actually want to be properly horrified 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:10.120 about something relating to food, production. Look at how many 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:13.160 people die because they get sucked into bogs of pigshit 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:17.800 or drowning grain stile or drowning grain sile. I mean 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:23.000 people legit, whole families because one person will fall in 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:24.920 the grain silo and they'll try to get him out, 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:28.360 the whole families. I know, I know people who have 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:30.880 who have died that way because I grew up in 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:35.440 the very agricultural area. Yeah, a lot of this is 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:38.120 just like people don't know the country, but sharine, yes, 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:41.440 um so industrial. I mean like yeah for me, for me, 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:45.800 someone that hasn't growed up in any agricultural area at all, 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:49.599 and this is yeah, grain is like so it's like 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:53.439 quicksand it sucks you in. It takes you to that bottom. 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:55.720 If you don't spread out immediately, you're going down and 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:59.080 there's really no way to save somebody. It's stay stay 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:02.520 the funk away the grain silos. Do not play around 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:06.400 grain silos. With the grain silo. It is it is. 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:08.640 It is killed entire families because people will try to 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:11.000 save each other and then they get stucked down and 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:24.600 it's it's pretty Yeah, it's bad when you have livestock 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:27.920 livestock poop and sometimes that poop is super usful. Chicken 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:29.840 ships one of the best fertilizers ever. You can make 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:33.720 chicken ship very very useful. Pig shit is like nasty, 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:36.560 it's toxic. It is very hard to do anything. It's 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:39.360 once it's in the ground long enough, it's a bio 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:42.360 Well theoretically, if you were to like really care about it, 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:44.760 you could you could make a use of it given 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:47.400 enough time. But there's so many pigs because our hunger 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:50.640 for bacon is insatiable that you wind up with this 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:53.760 this massive tox of massive toxic sludge. So there's the 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:55.560 chunk of the country in which most of the pigs 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.760 come from. There are these huge pig shit bogs that 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:02.160 are like there are countries smaller than bogs of pigship 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:04.240 that we have in the United States. And people die 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:05.920 in them all the time. They get sucked down into 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:09.480 the big ship or you suffocate because you get one 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:11.680 of them bursts. I mean, there's so many weird things 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:14.280 because it's a meth their methane and hydrogen sulfide since 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:18.720 so it's just like bad things around farms all the time. 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:23.280 And that's just that's just farming and what we're ultimately 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:24.960 what we are seeing here if you want to like 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:29.440 actually analyze the thing that is happening, um with all 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:32.880 of these conspiracies, it's it's what's called the frequency illusion, 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:35.880 which is the idea that like if you've ever I 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:38.080 don't know, if somebody when somebody like teaches, like you 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:40.200 learn a new word, right, or you like you hear 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:43.040 about a historic event, and then you keep seeing everywhere. 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:48.040 This is something that's an author that Garrison and I 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:50.920 quite like Robert Anton Wilson played with a lot um. 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:53.320 It's why, like twenty three is one thing you'll notice 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:56.120 in like Hollywood movies and TV shows if you look 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:58.840 out for they're fucking everywhere because a whole bunch of 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:01.240 people who got into hollywo our fans of the same guy, 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:03.800 and there's this conspiracy with the number of twenty three 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:05.840 people sticking. It's all over the fucking wire. It's in 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:09.720 a bunch of ship um, and it's it's yeah, at 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:13.040 the base of things like right, humans are paradelium, right, 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:16.200 so we're looking for patterns and static that's what we do. 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:18.520 It's part like in my mind, it's part of our 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:25.880 like ancestral uh, you know, deep in the past protection, right, yeah, exactly, 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:28.000 it's that, and it's how you look for monsters in 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:30.320 the woods. You know, it's like when we're looking for 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:33.840 eyes in the dark. That's part of it. And so 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:38.000 you know, we tend to find meaning in points and 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:40.600 then try and connect them because that's how we work. 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:43.840 And so this is a great example of this because 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:46.880 it hasn't gone full Q level yet where it's just 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:52.280 absurd to be absurd. The shield itself, like you can 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:55.960 see where people are trying to pick together points that 0:15:56.280 --> 0:16:00.400 normally are just industrial accidents. And know some of the 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:03.600 stuff I saw early on before, like the cow death 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:07.360 posts and the stuff related to climate change, what you 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:12.160 really were seeing was people trying to make order out 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:18.520 of what is just chaotic accidents and now and now yeah, yeah, no, 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:23.720 it's it's it's something you rarely actually see in the 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:27.360 cascade of you know, conspiracy theory like this so overtly, 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.840 and it's been really interesting for me watching that because 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:34.920 you know, as someone who's far too into watching people 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:40.040 melt their brains. Um. This this kind of lays out 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:42.360 some of the ways that this works for all of us, 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:45.880 UM and I think it also offers a roadmap in 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:49.040 certain ways to like see past it and be able 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:51.800 to correct it for yourself so you don't get into 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:54.960 the same Oh, there are a thousand points a light here, 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:58.640 let's fall all of them. Yeah, it's um one of 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:02.640 the things that's interesting. So we just called it the 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:07.680 the recency bias or the frequency illusions, also the recency illusion, 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:10.040 which is like the belief that things that you have 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:13.800 like noticed only recently are a recent phenomena rather than 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:15.800 things that go back a long time. There these are 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:19.000 kind of inter related. But this, this sort of phenomena 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:23.320 that we're seeing is often called the bottom mine off phenomena. 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:26.800 And that's so so the bottom I'm pretty yeah bottom 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:29.960 the bottom mine Off group was a it's also called 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:33.080 the German Red Army. Um, it was a Yeah, it 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:38.880 was a West German terrorist organization from like seventy years ago. 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:42.159 Like this is not a recent thing, but there was 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:45.639 an article about them in like a Minnesota St. Paul 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:48.520 newspaper in nineteen nine four that happened to be one 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:53.200 of the first newspapers with an online comment page. Oh no, 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:56.600 well yeah, so this is like you'll always here referred 0:17:56.600 --> 0:17:58.679 to as the bottom minor phenomena. It has nothing to 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:01.080 do with this terrorist group than the fact that one 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:05.200 commenter on there saw an article about them um within 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:07.680 a couple of hours of someone else in their life 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:10.160 telling them about the group, and so they named it 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:13.800 in the common section the bottom mine off phenomena because yeah, 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:17.360 like it's it's which is an example of the phenomena UM. 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:21.280 But like that's it is. It is. It's a thing 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:24.880 that people do for again good reason, Like like you said, 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:28.119 like if you're a fucking hunter gatherer and you notice 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:30.800 that like, oh, after a rainstorm is when the big 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:33.200 cats come out and hunt. And like if somebody, if 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:35.400 one of your friends gets eaten by like a tiger, 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:39.959 it's probably after a rainstorm. You associate after the rainstorm 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:43.359 with danger, which is like good, right, Like I live 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:47.840 inside urban environments, the usually usually less. This becomes useful 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:51.560 as relating to more of our like instinctual practices. Yes, 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:56.080 learning to recognize this like first step of delusion is 0:18:56.119 --> 0:19:02.879 really important UM decisions future, right, But I think it's 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:05.480 much more similar than we realized to like how people 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:11.159 think of religion, because even religions people are Yeah, like 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:14.920 what you're saying is like there's so much chaos. People 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:17.040 can't make sense of the world. And just like religion, 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:20.040 you're trying to make order out of disorder, and you 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:21.959 look for signs, to look for patterns. It's like an 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:25.440 element of magical thinking, where yes, you look for reasons 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:30.760 that this has meaning, so I understand where they're coming from. 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:33.239 And so the problem, again, the problem is not with 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:35.800 your brain, because this is not like a bad thing 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:37.520 your brain is doing. It's just a thing your brain 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:40.879 is doing. The problem is that this is one of 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:44.560 the easiest ways that bad faith actors can take advantage 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:47.280 of you and other people. And so in terms of 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:51.000 protecting yourself and others from it. And again, one of 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:52.639 the problems with this and one of the things that 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:56.840 makes it so so much more difficult twenty years ago 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:59.440 the batter mind how obviously the bottom mine how phenomenon 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:01.280 is much of a thing is that dude in the 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:05.600 fucking comments page that Minnesota paper proves. But there was 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:08.320 less ship coming at you, so you kind of had 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:10.240 even if you might get caught for a little bit 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:12.200 and they're like, oh, is there something weird going on 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:16.080 with this this German terrorist group? Um, you kind of 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:19.000 had the space in your head and the space in 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:21.879 your media diet to like actually parse that out and 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:25.040 calm down. But today it all comes with you with 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:27.640 a flood. There's like three new fucked Supreme Court decisions. 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:29.720 Oh and now all of the food factories are on 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:32.199 fire and all of the chickens are dead, and this 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:35.480 war in Ukraine is actually elevating the food prices, and 0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:39.119 it all compounds on itself. If you when you start 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:43.159 seeing something new like this come into your media diet 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:45.920 that seems scary, one of the first things you should 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:49.639 do is just try to get a handle on the 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:54.760 raw numbers this Well, this is a complexity Yeah, you know, 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:56.960 you know, this is a complexity issue. That's how I 0:20:57.040 --> 0:20:58.879 like to look at it. And that's exactly one of 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:02.359 the great ways to to kind of get disrupt the 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:04.920 complex nature of this and the amount of it you're 0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:07.720 taking in is just to start breaking it down. Numbers 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:09.920 are great, right, Like, if you can look and see 0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:14.560 their eighteen thou instances of industrial accidents leading to X, 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:17.359 Y or z and five thousand fires, you start to 0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:20.760 really get yourself into a better position to understand what's 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:23.680 being thrown at you. Yeah, but I don't think most 0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:28.000 people can actually understand what those numbers mean, Like they're 0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:30.119 just like they're large numbers, But I don't think people 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:32.480 understand like that means a lot of that stuff is 0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:35.280 happening versus just like one or two things you hear 0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:37.959 about and you don't realize probability wise that it's like 0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:41.440 insignificant because I don't think those numbers make sense. I 0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:44.000 mean even to me sometimes I can't. I can't picture 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:47.400 so many things, So I think it's I don't know, 0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:50.359 maybe it's just like a deficit and how our brains 0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:52.639 would you be able to understand why the numbers exist. 0:21:52.680 --> 0:21:56.879 But you can try to compare them two previous years, right, 0:21:56.920 --> 0:22:00.560 you can't exactly you can't expand what you relating to. 0:22:00.680 --> 0:22:02.680 Right if you're if you're looking from here's everything from 0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:06.359 March to June two, you're like, whoa, this is a 0:22:06.359 --> 0:22:08.280 lot of stuff just in these few months that if 0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:10.800 you compare that to every preceding year for the past 0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:13.760 five years, like, oh, this actually isn't a regular this 0:22:13.800 --> 0:22:16.240 is this is this is still fucked up, but it's 0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:19.600 actually kind of normalized. Um, and it's not it's not 0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:24.080 an abnormal phenomenon right now. And so even if you 0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:26.359 can't like understand what the numbers are, you can still 0:22:26.359 --> 0:22:29.080 compare them to previous things. But but yeah, I mean 0:22:29.160 --> 0:22:31.359 that does require more work than just like looking at 0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:33.200 a meme, right. And the reason why this stuff works 0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:35.840 is because people know how to exploit this part of 0:22:35.880 --> 0:22:39.000 our brains really well. Not not not not not in 0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:43.160 this part of this brain is useless, right, it has uses, um, 0:22:43.160 --> 0:22:46.360