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Speaker 1: hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us. Well,
Speaker 1: it's now down to thirty five days until the two
Speaker 1: thousand seventeen NFL Draft will take place in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: Brian brought us Dane Brugler, CBS Sports and Dallas Cowboys
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Speaker 1: Executive Producer. I want to welcome everybody to joy. How
Speaker 1: about that thirty five days? Boys, This one seems like
Speaker 1: it's sneaking up even faster than usual. To me, I'd agree. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a random assessment on my part and we've been
Speaker 1: through a lot, but a lot, a lot of way
Speaker 1: to go. Yeah, a few pro days, uh today if
Speaker 1: you important for days? Yeah, that's what I was gonna
Speaker 1: get into. I was gonna get into on this show.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry before you do that. I was just I
Speaker 1: think I got so used to last year, really like
Speaker 1: we already we already it was a fourth overall pick.
Speaker 1: We already had it all narrowed down last year. Because
Speaker 1: it was the fourth pick, you really only had to
Speaker 1: worry about eight guys. Less than that, like five guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and now it's I got nothing. I got no clue.
Speaker 1: I got no clue. I got nothing. It's thirty five days.
Speaker 1: We'll figure it out, We'll get we're yeah, we're gonna
Speaker 1: have wake up one day. We'll be talking about But
Speaker 1: by the way, we've had some meetings. Just to let
Speaker 1: folks know real quick, we've had a bunch of meetings
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be wall to wall coverage. Just get
Speaker 1: ready like we've like we've done in the past. Jeff Kavanaugh,
Speaker 1: Kevin Turner will join us as well. We're gonna be
Speaker 1: doing some simulcasting with one oh five three the Fan,
Speaker 1: our radio partner, official radio partner, the Dallas Cowboys, So
Speaker 1: we'll be doing that. We'll all be there'll be all
Speaker 1: kinds of ways that you can grab us for the draft,
Speaker 1: but we're going to cover all the picks. Dane will
Speaker 1: tell you something about mystery irrelevant. I guarantee you we'll
Speaker 1: have a scouting reporter, A mystery irrelevant. That's what I
Speaker 1: would look forward to every year. The show today is
Speaker 1: gonna be We're gonna talk about Pro Days a little bit.
Speaker 1: Had another injury in Pro Days. You know, I'm getting
Speaker 1: a little tired of the injured, the top players getting injured. Now,
Speaker 1: these Pro Days never seemed like that ever happened when
Speaker 1: I was in scouting, right, never seemed like you know,
Speaker 1: you went and worked guys out. You know, we had
Speaker 1: guys work out the combine. But you know what we
Speaker 1: have now that we didn't have back then, the individual
Speaker 1: workout teams going back in and working guys out. That's
Speaker 1: turning into something different. Now It's hard to get a
Speaker 1: gauge of who really likes who unless you figure out listen.
Speaker 1: And that's the great thing about Twitter though. You know
Speaker 1: these players will talk. Yeah, I've gotta gotta be the
Speaker 1: cowboys gonna meet with you know. That's that's something good.
Speaker 1: But it's unfortunate. We did have another injury in the
Speaker 1: Pro Days and uh Fabin Moreau, you sell a corner, Yeah,
Speaker 1: your pet cat, my pet cat. Yeah, a guy who
Speaker 1: I had in my first round walk last week. It's
Speaker 1: especially the bench press, like yeah, come on, and he
Speaker 1: didn't bench at the combine because it's the peck. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just a little a little strain his left shoulder, a
Speaker 1: left peck. But he does it at the cat at
Speaker 1: his pro day and ends up furthering that injury. Hopefully
Speaker 1: we don't know the severity of it yet, you know,
Speaker 1: is it something that hopefully strain. Hopefully he can avoid surgery.
Speaker 1: That's a terror. It's not something that is too extensive.
Speaker 1: But you know, hopefully we find find out more details
Speaker 1: here in the next few weeks so it doesn't hurt
Speaker 1: his draft status and team to understand what's going on
Speaker 1: with the injury. Need to figure out though, David that
Speaker 1: with this injury he was you know, it was something
Speaker 1: that they identified at the combine. He went through the workout,
Speaker 1: but I wonder if he'll be at the recheck. You know,
Speaker 1: that's something And what's what's unfortunate though, if you're a
Speaker 1: Cowboy fan, is the fact that now cornerbacks are getting hurt,
Speaker 1: and cornerbacks that are in your range of two of
Speaker 1: your two of the guys that you thought they were
Speaker 1: both on the short list of guys that you thought
Speaker 1: were a real possibility, and they well, maybe not Sidney Jones,
Speaker 1: but I would say Moreau is probably it'll just be
Speaker 1: a cowboy in the third round. Now, sure, well let's
Speaker 1: talk about that a little bit though, too. Can Dallas
Speaker 1: afford to take injured defensive players in the third round.
Speaker 1: I think you can. I think you can. You can
Speaker 1: do that. Um, it's not ideal by any means, but
Speaker 1: players staying, oh yes, I have you've seen the guys
Speaker 1: walking out of this building. I'm not talking the first round,
Speaker 1: not talking the second round. But if you're really relying
Speaker 1: on a late third round pick to come in and
Speaker 1: boost your team, you got bigger problem. Anthony Brown, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that way, you're not relying on that, right, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: That's okay. So what I'm saying, you look guys to
Speaker 1: get play using that reasoning. Let's just wait to the
Speaker 1: sixth round and we'll go. I'm just saying, how about
Speaker 1: guys that can play? Right? And I think that Sidney
Speaker 1: Jones is a guy that you can stash and you
Speaker 1: a year from now you'll be really happy you pulled
Speaker 1: that trigger. I think he's got a point that you're
Speaker 1: in trouble if you need your ninety two overall pick
Speaker 1: to do something if you need it. I've passed it.
Speaker 1: I'm passed to stashing of players now for this team,
Speaker 1: I think it. I want to know after after going
Speaker 1: through Jalen Smith and there's still uncertainty there. I want
Speaker 1: to know more about Moreau's injury, Like Sidney Jones is
Speaker 1: another story. I know he said he thinks he'll play
Speaker 1: for the season. I'm not buying that, no, But I
Speaker 1: think Moreau, I mean he could potentially. That's not a
Speaker 1: how about just any derail his sea? How about anybody?
Speaker 1: How about anybody that's injured? How about but each one's
Speaker 1: so individual. Ross. I already like McKinley, McKinley, I don't
Speaker 1: want you already hate McKinny. I don't want it. Just
Speaker 1: get used to it. Now. McKinley's gonna be a das
Speaker 1: cowboy in the late first round stop. He's coming in
Speaker 1: here for a Top thirty visit. And I tell you, well,
Speaker 1: I've talked to him like what three times now. He's
Speaker 1: one of the best. Well, that was a little news
Speaker 1: nugget right there by can go ahead, and that's why
Speaker 1: he's on this show. He's one of the best salesman
Speaker 1: in this class, he'll sell himself to this this staff.
Speaker 1: In terms of Jerry fall in love with him, you think,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I think so right, kind of guy fall
Speaker 1: in love that if he's there but coming off the injury,
Speaker 1: that you have to wonder how much that will factor
Speaker 1: into their decision. Me as a reporter, and I said
Speaker 1: this at the combine in terms of, like me selfishly
Speaker 1: just wanting the most interesting, quote worthy player, bring Tack
Speaker 1: McKinley soundbites, and you shouldn't base your first round pick
Speaker 1: based on the first three months of his career and
Speaker 1: how available he's going to be. Having said that, I
Speaker 1: just really want the first round pick to be able
Speaker 1: to play right away. Whoa, whoa, whoa Wait a minute.
Speaker 1: I just made that argument, and you guys are telling
Speaker 1: me the stash players. No, I didn't say that third
Speaker 1: rounds different than the first You know, I want guys
Speaker 1: who can play. Now. Am I arguing that point? You're
Speaker 1: arguing for it right now? Yeah? No, I'm saying, and
Speaker 1: I kind of got the pushback from both of you.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't worry about it, sane. Do
Speaker 1: you realize that, yeah, third round is different than the
Speaker 1: first round? First two if you can get two guys
Speaker 1: in the first two rounds that are gonna help your
Speaker 1: team right away, great, But in the third round is
Speaker 1: a little different. And with Sidney Jones injury, it's we're
Speaker 1: talking about different injuries than Jalen Smith. Jalen Smith, we
Speaker 1: weren't sure if he's gonna play again, let alone, you know,
Speaker 1: just be ready for the next season. So I mean, no,
Speaker 1: I know, absolutely, And that's why I wasn't a fan
Speaker 1: of the Jalen Smith pick then and I'm still not.
Speaker 1: I still don't like it. But with uh, with Tack,
Speaker 1: it's a four to six month injury the shoulder of
Speaker 1: the laboram surgery. Uh, you know he had it, you
Speaker 1: just say, you know, beginning of March. So it puts
Speaker 1: him in line to beer back right around when the
Speaker 1: season starts. And you know how much training camp and
Speaker 1: Zeke really have, you know, I mean, he's a running back,
Speaker 1: a lot easier for running back. That's a different transition.
Speaker 1: There's a better comparison on the same team. MALIEK. Collins
Speaker 1: broke his foot in early June, missed all of training camp.
Speaker 1: You know, I specifically remember completely writing him off. I
Speaker 1: was like, he's a rookie. He's a third round pick.
Speaker 1: There's no way he'll get acclimated in time. Second on
Speaker 1: the team in Sex, so and so by October one,
Speaker 1: you might be feeling pretty good if McKinley's on this team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't hate it. I would not hate it. He's
Speaker 1: a good player, he's a great quote. It does not
Speaker 1: it's not an injury that should limit him long term.
Speaker 1: But I would be much more intrigued by a player
Speaker 1: who I knew was ready to go change gears here
Speaker 1: Connecticut boy, he continues to go up to charts. Obie
Speaker 1: Obie Melofa wu yesterday, four nine on the twenty shuttle,
Speaker 1: ten six nine on the sixty shuttle. That's ridiculous, seven
Speaker 1: o five on the three cone drill. That's ever. But yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a good football player, thanks coach. Is he? That's
Speaker 1: why I want to talk about when? When did the number?
Speaker 1: They did? Some good things? Can't you're killing me now?
Speaker 1: Too many drops? Can't calm down, calm downs, draft show.
Speaker 1: This isn't talking cowboys too many, too many. The thing
Speaker 1: about him is when does the tape When does the
Speaker 1: tape not show the player? I mean, I mean, is
Speaker 1: the tape. I guess what I'm trying to say is
Speaker 1: the tape there is not everything that I just said,
Speaker 1: not a four four forty, not all those things. Team's
Speaker 1: gonna get fooled by this guy? Is he gonna go
Speaker 1: a lot earlier? Because there's of size and the history
Speaker 1: does not smile. We've talked about that a bunch on
Speaker 1: this show, that history does not smile on the tall safety. No,
Speaker 1: there are examples of working out, but for the most part,
Speaker 1: you're right. If the draft was hell December thirty, first,
Speaker 1: Obie probably goes mid to late third round. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's exactly where the tape shows, right. So now that
Speaker 1: he's going to be, or now after the combine in
Speaker 1: the pro day, he's got a bunch of private workouts
Speaker 1: set up. He has a good chance of going in
Speaker 1: the first round because of the athlete that he is
Speaker 1: and the way he tested. And I get it, But
Speaker 1: his flaws on tape, I'm not sure are as correctable
Speaker 1: as that would make it. It It would lead you to believe,
Speaker 1: because his issues to me are as just his mental trigger,
Speaker 1: his mental process. He takes him a tick a half
Speaker 1: tick to really process everything that's happening. And then react
Speaker 1: and by that time he's either out of position to
Speaker 1: make a play where he misses it. So I like
Speaker 1: the player. I think he's a third round player. He
Speaker 1: tested really well, but I don't think the flaws that
Speaker 1: he showed on tape are easily correctable, even though he's
Speaker 1: an e lead athlete. Let me ask you this, and
Speaker 1: it's hard to answer, but every year there are guys
Speaker 1: that get overvalued and then we in the media, maybe
Speaker 1: not so much. You're you're more plugged in than most,
Speaker 1: but we're kind of surprised to see them go where
Speaker 1: they should have gone all along, probably, And is that
Speaker 1: the case with a guy like this, I mean, we
Speaker 1: think we're thinking of everybody thinks he's going to be
Speaker 1: a first round player, that he actually goes in the third.
Speaker 1: We're talking about it. I don't know if he goes
Speaker 1: in the third. We're talking about Obi as a twenty
Speaker 1: five to thirty two type guy, and maybe he's a
Speaker 1: second round pick at least, which maybe that's still overvalued,
Speaker 1: but not as crazy overvalued as he seems right now.
Speaker 1: I think that's possible. Yeah, you know, I think he's
Speaker 1: with what he did. The combine of the pro day.
Speaker 1: I think he cemented himself somewhere in the top fifty,
Speaker 1: and so now it's just a you know, where does
Speaker 1: he belong in that top fifty? Can he sneak into
Speaker 1: the first round? Absolutely as possible, but he fell to
Speaker 1: the early second It shouldn't be too surprising, especially because
Speaker 1: again his tape is third round worthy. And you agree
Speaker 1: with that, right, bro? Absolutely? I see that's the thing.
Speaker 1: A lot of fans out there asking me about him
Speaker 1: at twenty eight. Yeah, I wouldn't pick him at twenty
Speaker 1: eight just because I trust that tape. You have to
Speaker 1: the name of it. That's the name of your other podcast, correct, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a heck of a name for a podcast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't. I'm not. I'm not fooled by them. I don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't like it. See that's where that's where I'm
Speaker 1: a little concerned. Is there any other players in this
Speaker 1: draft that the tape is not as good as the numbers? Definitely?
Speaker 1: I mean I want to I'm curious. I'm curious if
Speaker 1: I'm curious if some guys that tested really really well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like Ross, you know, ran really well at
Speaker 1: least the first He's got first round talent. We expected that, right, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I think Christian McCaffrey tested really well. But
Speaker 1: again I think we expected that. I think you see
Speaker 1: that on tape. He's an outstanding athlete. Who else Humphrey?
Speaker 1: Are people talking about Humphrey the corner from Alabama as
Speaker 1: a first round type talent? Now maybe we're down where
Speaker 1: Dallas is picking and that twenty six to thirty two range.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you bring him up because I feel like
Speaker 1: when the draft process started he was maybe not mentioned
Speaker 1: in the same breath as Lattimore, but he was a
Speaker 1: guy that it really didn't seem like Dallas had a
Speaker 1: shot at him, And now it seems like he's being
Speaker 1: pushed down the board. So I've always see Lattimore. No,
Speaker 1: no, No No, I'm Humphrey. I've always felt like Humphrey was
Speaker 1: a second round player on tape. I remember seeing him
Speaker 1: up in the twelve, fifteen, sixteen seventeen range. Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: always had him in as a possible top twenty, top
Speaker 1: twenty five guy. I didn't. I never thought he'd be
Speaker 1: a consideration for the Cowboys because I don't think he'd
Speaker 1: be there, because I think he will be now. No,
Speaker 1: I when you're built that way, when you have that
Speaker 1: length at the corner position, you have that speed. I
Speaker 1: think his issues on tape are correctable. He's only a
Speaker 1: Richard sophomore. I think he's going to get better. Where
Speaker 1: that's a difference between him and Melifono where I'm not
Speaker 1: confident Melifono was going to fix his issues, but with Humphrey,
Speaker 1: I do, and he'll get better with his issues. I
Speaker 1: think he's the top twenty to twenty five corner in
Speaker 1: this draft, and I think that's where he will end up,
Speaker 1: going him or White from Lsu Humphry. For with my corners,
Speaker 1: it's Lattimore and Humphrey. Humphrey is my number two. What's
Speaker 1: the situation with Tabor? Now there's a guy a poor workout,
Speaker 1: but the tape is better than the workout. Agree, and
Speaker 1: there's now he's the other way right, same thing with
Speaker 1: a Cooper Cup. Cooper Cup another worst six who he
Speaker 1: might be the best route runner in this draft with
Speaker 1: the way he can create his own separation bridge routes.
Speaker 1: But with the four six out, if you're four sixth athlete,
Speaker 1: you're coming from the FCS level some teams, that's obviously
Speaker 1: a turn off with Tabor the four six. You just
Speaker 1: never want to see that for or you know, gosh,
Speaker 1: I hope they get him faster at Florida. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he wants I like him. I'm timing him at thirty
Speaker 1: eight yards. I'm serious. I'm telling my scout, hey, are
Speaker 1: you giving to fudge the numbers? I don't know. I
Speaker 1: want the player. Why do you want the players? Like
Speaker 1: the player? That's the great thing about Like Mike Williams.
Speaker 1: If you liked him, he ran a four or five three.
Speaker 1: If you don't like him all four or five. I know,
Speaker 1: I know you know. But me I make excuses for
Speaker 1: the guys we like, Oh, we always do. Taber is tough,
Speaker 1: he is, he makes plays. He does make plays. But
Speaker 1: in the NFL it's just different. You know, you have
Speaker 1: to have that speed. And you're killing him now. I'm no,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not killing him. I'm concerned, which I
Speaker 1: think is fair when you go out and you and
Speaker 1: it's not. It wasn't just a forty. I mean all
Speaker 1: of his drills were terrible. You could say that about Cook.
Speaker 1: They running back from Florida State. Yes, that I am
Speaker 1: more willing to trust the tape there than with Tabor
Speaker 1: because of what you see Tabor do, because he's not
Speaker 1: I've seen Cook make people miss. I'm not worried about
Speaker 1: his explosion as births. With Tabor, I see a guy
Speaker 1: who is very instinctive and he he has a very
Speaker 1: good feel for the position. So he understands how to
Speaker 1: put himself in position and make plays on the ball.
Speaker 1: But if he makes a false step up, he's not
Speaker 1: going to be a guy that routinely recovers in the
Speaker 1: NFL corners. You're going to make false steps against NFL
Speaker 1: wide receivers just at that level of competition, and so
Speaker 1: with Tabor it just worries me a little bit more.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not killing him to the you know,
Speaker 1: I'm dropping him off my board, but I do think
Speaker 1: there is a level of concern there with Tabor, and
Speaker 1: also factor in he did not interview well. I've heard
Speaker 1: from several teams that told me he did not interview well. Again,
Speaker 1: we've talked about his brash, cocky attitude. He'd be either
Speaker 1: at sixty no, Yeah, I think that would be a
Speaker 1: little surprising fell that far, but I do think it's
Speaker 1: possible he's somewhere in that No. There's concern, but with
Speaker 1: especially with Sidney Jones going down. Oh yeah, Morrow, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna need some corners to play here, right, So
Speaker 1: I think here I'm talking about in the league, Tabor.
Speaker 1: I think he's squarely in the top fifty somewhere. But
Speaker 1: I don't think it should surprise anyone if it falls
Speaker 1: out of the first round. More concerned about his speed
Speaker 1: and quickness or ability or Mike Williams at Clemson. I
Speaker 1: always worry more about a DB's yeah and speed, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't have slow, not quick receivers to
Speaker 1: make a living. That old miss guy that we love
Speaker 1: so much that I bring it up all the time.
Speaker 1: Oh no, we were wrong about him right now, initially
Speaker 1: we're wrong about him. Dez Bryant is not a burner.
Speaker 1: He's not like the quickest dude, Jarvis Landry. I say
Speaker 1: it all the time. He ran a four seven at
Speaker 1: the combine, Like, sure, you can get by with less
Speaker 1: than elite speed, right receiver, dB, I don't know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: i'd agree, and it with Sherman run will I don't
Speaker 1: have his number off the top were five five, four
Speaker 1: five eight out of Stanford. I mean it's that wasn't
Speaker 1: wasn't really fast? Well, it's I with link. It's hard
Speaker 1: to run that fast when you're six three, two hundred pounds.
Speaker 1: I mean like that that top like top end corner speed.
Speaker 1: And it depends on how you're used with Sherman, the
Speaker 1: way he's used in that scheme. It doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be a burner. And if Mike Williams, if he's used
Speaker 1: the way you know, to his strengths, then he won't
Speaker 1: have to be a fourth three athlete to be productive.
Speaker 1: We don't have to close the book completely on Lakwan Treadwell. Well,
Speaker 1: it's it's all mental. That would be the albatross you wear.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that would be your Joey Harry if
Speaker 1: he doesn't get it together. It's it's so we're all guilty.
Speaker 1: Other pro days rolling out. We've we talked about Yukon, UCLA,
Speaker 1: North Carolina Trubisky and then they get to make a
Speaker 1: big deal. No GM's no coaches show up. Okay, watch
Speaker 1: how many people go through there and have private workouts
Speaker 1: for him? Right, they'll figure that out. The quarterback Pro
Speaker 1: Day has become the most overrated thing in the draft. Frosts. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's just teams just don't care as much because I mean,
Speaker 1: if it's an opportunity to see him throw, great, you
Speaker 1: know you can never any opportunity to see him is great.
Speaker 1: But it's a scripted workout. It's on their own home field,
Speaker 1: to their receive own receivers. If if you told me
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks are gonna be blindfolded, okay, then I'll go
Speaker 1: watch because then that might be a little more interesting.
Speaker 1: But with you know, all the perfect conditions, you're sleeping
Speaker 1: in your own bed the night before. It's just you
Speaker 1: should be perfect, and most of these guys are, so
Speaker 1: you just gave kids or no, no hope. At Notre
Speaker 1: Dame today, Kaiser, Kaiser, I love correcting you on would
Speaker 1: you say? I said, Kinser, and I'm saying you sing
Speaker 1: of the dirt track guy that's coming out here April
Speaker 1: eighth at the Texas Motor Speed. Can I interject Kaiser quickly?
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, Yeah, go ahead, breaking news, not really breaking news,
Speaker 1: but pertin into our interests. Ian Rappaport is saying Fabian
Speaker 1: Moreau underwent a successful surgery on his torn peck, and
Speaker 1: they expect him they expect him at full strength by
Speaker 1: training camp do with that. What you wrn peck, corn peck,
Speaker 1: I'm losing a corners. But that's what I'm saying, though,
Speaker 1: is a torn peck to I believe that he could
Speaker 1: be ready, maybe not for day one of training camp,
Speaker 1: but by the time the season's ready to roll around.
Speaker 1: Whereas with Sidney Jones, I think he's crazy if he
Speaker 1: thinks he's going to be ready for the start of
Speaker 1: the season. I can at least talk myself into Fabian
Speaker 1: Moreau being ready. Torn peck, How did that hit you?
Speaker 1: That's tough. I thought it was a strange I mean
Speaker 1: he listen to listen to Jim Moore talk us strange.
Speaker 1: I think I would still take him. It's an upper
Speaker 1: body injury, it's not his legs. But you wouldn't take
Speaker 1: tack No, because Tax's not gonna be ready for the
Speaker 1: start of the season. The sounds like similar. It's a
Speaker 1: very UCLA heavy show today. Yeah, that's good point, very
Speaker 1: good players though. Yeah, No, I think they're both in
Speaker 1: play at twenty eight. Kick McDermott in there too, Go ahead,
Speaker 1: get him as a priority free agent. Oh, like third round.
Speaker 1: I had a third round grade on him, Dane, Did
Speaker 1: you really put him as a priority for the sixth.
Speaker 1: I think I don't think he's he's you're brutal, he's
Speaker 1: got light feet, but he's gonna get eating up in
Speaker 1: the NFL. We'll see anyway real quick. Okay, other pro
Speaker 1: days going off Stanford. You talked about Ohio States Pro
Speaker 1: Day as well, and uh Missoo's having their Massoo's having
Speaker 1: their prodols. I wrote that down. Yeah, if you're a prospect,
Speaker 1: if you're Christian McCaffrey, are you going like seventy five
Speaker 1: percent speed making sure you don't strain it. I'm not
Speaker 1: working out. Yeah, I'm showing up. I'm showing up my
Speaker 1: real pretty Stanford sweats. And if you want to meet
Speaker 1: and talk to me, have at it. He'll bring his harmonica, Yeah,
Speaker 1: if piano man, whatever you want to do, yea my iPad.
Speaker 1: I'll just hand you my tape. Yeah. Well, and this
Speaker 1: is a player I remember skip the Bowl game for
Speaker 1: exactly Yeah, you know when at this point time watching
Speaker 1: him fall like this, No, not with thirty five days left,
Speaker 1: those decisions look no justified as the no weeks and
Speaker 1: McCaffrey killed the combine. There's nothing that he can show
Speaker 1: you at his pro day that would make you like
Speaker 1: him anymore? Right, So he is I zeroed a gain.
Speaker 1: If I'm McCaffrey, I'm not working out. I agree. Okay, Well,
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Speaker 1: Back here in the SWBC Morgan Studios, Brian brought a
Speaker 1: staining Burugler David Helmet, Kate Garrison, Executive producer. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get into one of my favorite parts of the show.
Speaker 1: I love the interaction that we get to have with
Speaker 1: our fans out there, love the opportunity to answer your questions.
Speaker 1: It is called thank you very much. Can't careson David Hellman,
Speaker 1: it is your show, all right. I love good segues.
Speaker 1: So Ryan had a good question for our previous topic.
Speaker 1: He's saying at twenty eight, he gave us a list
Speaker 1: of injured players. He said, Fabian Moreau, Tack McKinley, he said,
Speaker 1: John Ross, But I wonder if he meant Sidney Jones.
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna say both. But either way, let's
Speaker 1: say those four players in terms of value and how
Speaker 1: you feel about their injury problems. What do he liked most? Like?
Speaker 1: John Ross isn't is healthy now, but he has injury concerns,
Speaker 1: lingers injury history already and he just had surgery on
Speaker 1: a ship. Yeah, so I mean each one of them
Speaker 1: you could pull holes medical holes. So I mean, do
Speaker 1: you just go with the best player on your board
Speaker 1: at that point? Yeah, I'm trying to think of who who?
Speaker 1: Who is not? I can't. I need players. I keep
Speaker 1: arguing that. I keep wanting guys. I need guys to play.
Speaker 1: To me, Ross the best player of that group. Ross
Speaker 1: would be the best player of that group. But with
Speaker 1: bringing back, I can't draft the receiver twenty eight with
Speaker 1: Terrence Williams back, Yeah, I don't. I'm not sure that
Speaker 1: you can because you have your top three receivers and
Speaker 1: so you know, where's this guy gonna play? Um and
Speaker 1: he's got injury issues, it's fair, but he is an
Speaker 1: explosive player, yeah player, you know, four wide receiver sets.
Speaker 1: I'm going to figure it out. You know, I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not married. I'm not. I mean, I know it
Speaker 1: says four years on Terence Williams, But if Ross gives
Speaker 1: me an explosive player, I'm I'm putting him ahead of
Speaker 1: Terrence Williams. So Terrence Williams is gonna sit on the bench,
Speaker 1: maybe your third or so. I mean, you could sub
Speaker 1: sub aim in nine million to your number four receiver.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just I'm just trying to figure out
Speaker 1: a way. I am not married. I'm not married to
Speaker 1: the guy I don't know, and you shouldn't be. And
Speaker 1: if I could get a more explosive player on the field,
Speaker 1: I could stretch the field that helped Dez Bryant. Terence.
Speaker 1: I've seen what Terence would do. I love Terrence, I
Speaker 1: have I have you know Terence. I love the player,
Speaker 1: I love the fact he blocks, I love all that
Speaker 1: about him. But I'm not sit there and saying I'm
Speaker 1: gonna sacrifice one of the most explosive players in the draft.
Speaker 1: I mean, I get what you're saying, but the offense
Speaker 1: is it's fine, it's so, it's ready to go today.
Speaker 1: I don't. I can't ignore a position of need and
Speaker 1: a player of similar value just because I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I know, I'm just trying to I was trying to
Speaker 1: answer his question about what would I do was sit
Speaker 1: with what would I do with Ross's I play him,
Speaker 1: It's not. I just don't think that's great roster management.
Speaker 1: Okay with then eliminate him. You're not gonna have Sidney Jones.
Speaker 1: I would draft him a row because it's the most
Speaker 1: pressing need on the roster and it's an injury that
Speaker 1: he should be able to bounce back from relatively quickly.
Speaker 1: More worried if you're the Cowboys about your corner play
Speaker 1: or defensive ent. Probably corner just because of of who's playing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean just the bodies and not in the depth chart.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to tell you that the defensive ends
Speaker 1: on this roster are all pros, but you could play
Speaker 1: a game with them, right and I don't. Right now,
Speaker 1: I worry about getting through games with the cornerbacks on
Speaker 1: hand because there's really only three, right, and I think
Speaker 1: with those names, though, I think i'd go Tach McKinley.
Speaker 1: I think i'd go with the player who is top
Speaker 1: on my board, and whether or not he's ready for
Speaker 1: the season opener, I think I feel pretty good that
Speaker 1: he's on my team starting in October, so I had
Speaker 1: the right ends of the guys I think are right ends.
Speaker 1: I know you hate when we talk about left and
Speaker 1: right ends. I do, but it's okay. Garrett was my
Speaker 1: first right end. McKinley was my second right end. There
Speaker 1: you go. Cornerbacks Lattimore, Jones, Moreau, those were my three though.
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying. McKinley Moreau on your overall board,
Speaker 1: would have to go with McKinley over Moreau, Okay, I would.
Speaker 1: I don't hate that, like, I mean, I know I
Speaker 1: kill them, but they're both first round players. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I mean you know that that's that's the thing. I
Speaker 1: but I understand what you're saying about the corner thing.
Speaker 1: I wonder if how they will stack their board. They
Speaker 1: need both. But again, remember how deep this corner class is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, when you feel good about pick sixty getting
Speaker 1: a corner there, even in the third round, you know,
Speaker 1: I think that there's some comfort level there knowing that
Speaker 1: you you can get a corner later on. Are you
Speaker 1: comfortable with taking Morow at twenty eight if you're the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: as long as the this recent news about his torn
Speaker 1: peck and the surgery, as long as you know the
Speaker 1: doctors signed off on it, and say listen, at some
Speaker 1: point during training camp, he will rejoin the team and
Speaker 1: be one hundred percent, then yes, I'm comfortable with that,
Speaker 1: agreed McKinley. Yeah, I'm they're totally okay. I didn't ask
Speaker 1: you about McKinley because I think you're okay with McKinley.
Speaker 1: I am, it's it's and listen, he's not a perfect
Speaker 1: player on the field either. He we're talking twenty eight, right, No,
Speaker 1: I know, I'm saying like, if we're picking at four,
Speaker 1: we're not talking about any of these cats. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: Tach McKinley had had the four or five nine forty
Speaker 1: yard dash, great ten yards split. Sure, his three cone
Speaker 1: was terrible and that was surprising, right about. His shuttles
Speaker 1: weren't great. And so this is a player who is
Speaker 1: still relatively raw as a pass rusher. I mean he is.
Speaker 1: Motors did a nice job. I went back and watch
Speaker 1: Bowls play against him. Bolls did a nice job the
Speaker 1: Utah at tackle. He got him frustrated. He did. McKinley is,
Speaker 1: he's extremely relentless. The motor is lit. But sid yeah,
Speaker 1: he does have some you know, he's not a perfect
Speaker 1: player either, So there are some questions there. But that's
Speaker 1: why I think he could be available for you at
Speaker 1: twenty eight, and at twenty eight, I think that's the
Speaker 1: good value at that point. I agree, and I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have a problem taking either one of those guys I
Speaker 1: just listed. You know, Garrett McKinley, you know, I see
Speaker 1: him in the same got him ahead of Lawson, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, and I like Lawson, And in my mind
Speaker 1: when we started this journey, I'm thinking Lawson's our guy
Speaker 1: at twenty eight, because I'm not thinking McKinley is gonna
Speaker 1: be there now, not thinking now, I'm thinking there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a quality player there at twenty eight. Agree, and
Speaker 1: at a position they need. I really think it's going
Speaker 1: to be a pass rusher or a corner. I just
Speaker 1: have this feeling safety. Maybe throw that in there. Actually, Okay,
Speaker 1: I love good segues. Thank you, Brian. I know, like
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about the radio professional. I
Speaker 1: feel like we need to talk about this because I
Speaker 1: hear about this guy more than anybody else. And I
Speaker 1: don't need y'all to tell me that you think he
Speaker 1: can play running back. We don't need to go there.
Speaker 1: But Cowboy fans want to know about Jabrill Peppers. Is
Speaker 1: there a case for him at twenty eight to do
Speaker 1: something on this team. What do you think about him? Etc. Etc.
Speaker 1: If you're a Cowboy fan, here's your wild card. Get
Speaker 1: ready for this one. Greg Jackson is now on the staff.
Speaker 1: Greg Jackson was Greg Jackson was with him at Michigan.
Speaker 1: Greg Jackson will be able to tell them the scouts
Speaker 1: everything that he can and cannot do, maybe all the
Speaker 1: things you don't see on film. But my old teammate
Speaker 1: from LSU is a safety's coach here, and trust me,
Speaker 1: I'm going to saddle up to him when I see
Speaker 1: him in this cafeteria and ask him, because you got
Speaker 1: to figure this out. I think the guy could play
Speaker 1: running back. Dane thinks he could play strong safety. He's
Speaker 1: a hell of a football player, no doubt about that.
Speaker 1: But what do you do? I mean, it's the argument
Speaker 1: he just made for Ross. What do you do? Where
Speaker 1: do you play him? How do you work him? What
Speaker 1: are all the things you could do with this? Let
Speaker 1: me throw this at you, and I use this as
Speaker 1: an example for Buddha Baker, and I think it makes
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. Given the I would rather have
Speaker 1: Buddha Baker fair enough, and I think, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: both of y'all have said that before, but you'd think
Speaker 1: about Byron Jones. He did not have a clearly defined
Speaker 1: role when he was drafted by this team right away.
Speaker 1: Would you be willing to spend the twenty eighth pick
Speaker 1: on a guy like Jabrill Peppers? Keep Jeff Heath as
Speaker 1: you're starting strong safety and just let him be a
Speaker 1: free range whatever guy. And I mean any role in dimeback, nickelback,
Speaker 1: whatever it is he can do. I mean you're basically
Speaker 1: drafting a role player in the first round. Is that feasible? Yeah?
Speaker 1: At twenty eight, I'm willing to roll the dice there
Speaker 1: for Jibrol Peppers. His struggles in coverage, you know we've
Speaker 1: talked about that's so well said. I mean he's an
Speaker 1: elite athlete, he really is, yes, but that doesn't always
Speaker 1: translate to understanding what it takes to be an elite
Speaker 1: cover guy. And you know, watching him on tape, tight
Speaker 1: ends were able to gain separation from him. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just he's not He needs a lot of work
Speaker 1: in coverage and I think he'll get there. And talked
Speaker 1: about this before, but how you know stretched out he
Speaker 1: wasn't Michigan because he was on offense. There was not
Speaker 1: just like five plays for him on offense. He had
Speaker 1: to know the entire playbook right, especially once they're starting
Speaker 1: quarterback went down. His role grew little bit on special team,
Speaker 1: so he was in all these meetings during the week,
Speaker 1: and I don't think he fully had the chance. And
Speaker 1: he was. He was a corner when he first arrived
Speaker 1: at Michigan, played a lot, linebacker, played nickel. He wasn't
Speaker 1: allowed to focus on one set of responsibilities and you know,
Speaker 1: do those things and develop at that one position once
Speaker 1: he gets to the NFL. That's why I'm almost kind
Speaker 1: of against him being that free range guy. I want him.
Speaker 1: Give him one set of responsibilities. Let him do one thing,
Speaker 1: and he'll get better in coverage we know we can
Speaker 1: do as an athlete. Just let him run. I think
Speaker 1: as a strong safety at twenty eight, he should be
Speaker 1: in the conversation quick okay, quickly, y'all expect him to
Speaker 1: be there at twenty eight. No, I think he'll go earlier. Brian.
Speaker 1: With the way the city, Yeah, I think somebody will
Speaker 1: figure out what they're wanted. I think somebody will have,
Speaker 1: like Dane says, I think he again he said it
Speaker 1: very well. Someone will come with a plan. Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't think he'll be there. Michael wants to know we
Speaker 1: talk touched. I'll tell you why can. It's gonna sound
Speaker 1: really stupid, real real quick. Somebody will like some some
Speaker 1: general manager has an ego that when you take a
Speaker 1: guy like that, you look smart. Yeah, you know you're
Speaker 1: the you're the smartest guy in the room. I know
Speaker 1: a lot of these general managers, and some will say
Speaker 1: everybody wants that first pick to be the one that,
Speaker 1: like everybody's buzzing about. Yeah, that that stops down draft
Speaker 1: night when that one happens. Yeah. Well, remember Keyan O'Neill
Speaker 1: went Top twenty last, and Keyan O'Neill has his coverage issues.
Speaker 1: You know, he was more of a strong safety, a
Speaker 1: bully as oh he's but yeah, physical tough guy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you know, Peppers is a much better athlete, not
Speaker 1: probably not as polished or proven as Keyan O'Neill was,
Speaker 1: but for those same reasons, Jebrol Peppers I think will
Speaker 1: end up some more top twenty five. Yeah, but I'm
Speaker 1: just saying it's it sounds crazy, but some some general manager, Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's let's look smart, We'll be the smart guys here.
Speaker 1: That sounds like, I mean instead of it's stead of
Speaker 1: evaluating him as what are you gonna do with him?
Speaker 1: But if you draft this guy, you better have a plan.
Speaker 1: You better have a plan at what you want to
Speaker 1: do with it for his sake, I hope they do. Yep,
Speaker 1: Michael wants to know. And when you touched on this
Speaker 1: with McKinley, I'll throw Charles Harris out there as a
Speaker 1: guy that didn't impress much with his workouts. Does that
Speaker 1: how much does that concern you? You know? I mean,
Speaker 1: and you trust the tape all that, But with these
Speaker 1: guys that are kind of in that range, how much
Speaker 1: does you know that that poor testing or lack of
Speaker 1: elite athleticism, how much does that bother you compared to
Speaker 1: their resume on tape? I mean it has to to
Speaker 1: a certain extent. You know, it's not going to drop
Speaker 1: him down your board. It's not going to. But at
Speaker 1: some point, I mean you have to look at it
Speaker 1: and say, okay, let's watch the tape and figure out, Okay,
Speaker 1: is he tightened his hips? Uh? What's his ankle flection? Like?
Speaker 1: Can he really you know, shave the corner? With the
Speaker 1: flexibility that you want and as long as the tape
Speaker 1: to you what you need to see, I think you're okay,
Speaker 1: more so than the numbers, but ideally you want the
Speaker 1: numbers to match up, and for some of these guys
Speaker 1: just that wasn't the case. Yeah, he looked like a
Speaker 1: different player working out than the one you see on tape.
Speaker 1: And I'm just reading the numbers right now from the
Speaker 1: combine and these are the actually the numbers from the floor,
Speaker 1: from the actual timing at the you know, four seven
Speaker 1: nine four eight zero second one four eight seven four
Speaker 1: eight one. Aren't you? Aren't you kind of boxed into
Speaker 1: that though, when you're picking twenty eighth, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not expecting physical freaks to be there at twenty eight,
Speaker 1: at least not the upper echelon type guys. And we're
Speaker 1: talking about some pretty good players though, Yeah, with McKinley
Speaker 1: and guys like that, you know, Moreau especially, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think this workout at Missouri is going to be really
Speaker 1: important for him to say happen, just to have a
Speaker 1: better time, maybe a better twenty shuttle. Because you do
Speaker 1: watch the tape. The tape is you could see him Ben,
Speaker 1: You could see him getting around the corner. You can
Speaker 1: see first step quickness. You know that surprises me because
Speaker 1: then again you talk about the kid from Kansas States,
Speaker 1: Jordan Willis. Jordan Willis does his three cone is like
Speaker 1: through the roof, and you're saying, anybody's like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: he didn't play that way. So sometimes you get fooled
Speaker 1: if did they train but to meet the tape. The
Speaker 1: thing with Harris will be the tape. And I hope
Speaker 1: he has a better forty today and I hope he
Speaker 1: has a better three cone in a better twenty shuttle.
Speaker 1: And what I think is working in Charles Harris's favor
Speaker 1: is during the positional workouts at the combine, he looked
Speaker 1: really good. Yeah, um, you know, the forty and the
Speaker 1: agility testing all that wasn't great, it was average. But
Speaker 1: during the positional drills I thought he really he really
Speaker 1: looked good and helped himself in that regard. I've got
Speaker 1: a really awesome outside the box question from someone named
Speaker 1: I need money. So we all so do I we
Speaker 1: talk about the potential of a need at tackle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: could Rico Gathers play tackle so that you don't have
Speaker 1: to worry about drafting one interesting because they used him
Speaker 1: on the scout team last year and I as a
Speaker 1: guy that could that was a fill in tackle. But
Speaker 1: with the situation also too at tight end, do you
Speaker 1: worry about do you say, well, now we've kind of
Speaker 1: spent this year trying to develop him as a as
Speaker 1: a maybe the last thing you want to do is
Speaker 1: give him a new duty. Yeah? Why do I want it?
Speaker 1: Why do I want to spend three hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: five more days trying to make him a tackle? Yeah?
Speaker 1: But it's you know what, great question though? I actually,
Speaker 1: I mean I kind of problem solved. I like outside
Speaker 1: the box thinking that's great. Is there anybody you would
Speaker 1: like him in the better than in the fourth or
Speaker 1: fifth round? And we've talked about this tackle class not
Speaker 1: being great as a tackle. As a tackle, I mean,
Speaker 1: if you were to project him as a tackle, would
Speaker 1: you like him better than say Banner Sharp? I don't.
Speaker 1: I can't even. I would not take him over anyone
Speaker 1: in this in this I wouldn't draft as a tackle
Speaker 1: if you Okay, So if it's say, say we took
Speaker 1: him and put him in this draft class, I would not.
Speaker 1: I would not. I wouldn't draft him as a tackle.
Speaker 1: I've never seen him go through tackle drills. Does he
Speaker 1: have can he sustain the weight? You know, what's his
Speaker 1: contact I've never seen him play tied in either, but
Speaker 1: we could. We saw the drills, you know, we saw
Speaker 1: him him in the preseason and whatever. We saw him
Speaker 1: catch the ball during drills at this time last year.
Speaker 1: Do we know about Rico Gathers. We knew about him
Speaker 1: as a potential guy that we saw him work at workouts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we saw him catch the ball, we saw
Speaker 1: him move around, we saw him run some rounds. We
Speaker 1: could tell you he's athletic. But playing tackle is more
Speaker 1: about technique. And I mean size is great, length is great.
Speaker 1: It's way more about the technical skill at the position.
Speaker 1: And if you don't have that, then you're gonna get
Speaker 1: eaten up by the pass rushers in this league. And
Speaker 1: so this Rico Gathers is not helping you this year.
Speaker 1: You could start right now and he's not gonna help
Speaker 1: you this year at tackle. He's not probably fair, No,
Speaker 1: I like like when people think like that, I mean
Speaker 1: because he has the size. Sure, maybe for if you're
Speaker 1: planning for chas and eighteen, Yeah, maybe, but you're planning
Speaker 1: for twenty seventeen. You've done not gonna help made this
Speaker 1: Germany journey to be a tight end. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: your hope is. You hope he makes the team is
Speaker 1: on the fifty three is a tied end. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: let's say that they really like Adam Sheheen at pick
Speaker 1: sixty and that's the direction they go. Then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden Heshen you've seen him play. Yeah, well, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden Rico Gallers, let's bulk him
Speaker 1: up needed sixty. If he's there, I don't know if
Speaker 1: he'll be there. Dane finds a way to talk about
Speaker 1: Shaheen on every episode, and you know what, those other
Speaker 1: guy cowboys, they showed interest. But also the show is
Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears, the Saints, the Steelers, Oakland and Detroit.
Speaker 1: That's why he might not be there at sixty. There's
Speaker 1: a very possible scenario where he's gone somewhere in the
Speaker 1: top five. Watch his face light up on day two
Speaker 1: when that all happens. I told you play that podcast again.
Speaker 1: Bane's gonna go. You got one more question for us,
Speaker 1: Dave Um Yet I got a Senior Bowl question from
Speaker 1: Mark cam Sutton and russellll Douglas. One I think needs
Speaker 1: to play safety. That would be Sutton Sutton. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: I watched him. You talk about watching somebody I know.
Speaker 1: I keep bringing this up about Sutton. He looked far
Speaker 1: more comfortable play in safety than he did playing corner,
Speaker 1: and he actually had to cover Oj Howard and he
Speaker 1: looked good doing it, like he was not intimidated having
Speaker 1: to take Oj Howard and carry that size. I think
Speaker 1: that there's several guys in this draft, King being the
Speaker 1: top of the corner that could be the safety guy.
Speaker 1: And if you're playing with these six defensive backs and
Speaker 1: you've got a guy that could play safety, play corner,
Speaker 1: Cowboys covers for safeties A lot ton, Yeah, a ton Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm not so much though on Douglas. I like Douglas
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl, Like he was better at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl than he was on tape. There's another one
Speaker 1: of those guys. I don't know. I didn't see. I'm
Speaker 1: not a big fan of either of those guys. I
Speaker 1: think there's a sudden. Yeah, I'm trying to find a
Speaker 1: spot for Sudden. I'm not saying these guys are day
Speaker 1: are day you know, I'm looking at my cornerback rankings,
Speaker 1: neither or in my top fourteen. These are day three picks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: and I'm Douglas might go even sooner than that with
Speaker 1: that size. Yeah. I have Sudden in the fifth and
Speaker 1: I had Douglas in the fourth. Okay, so yeah, we're
Speaker 1: on the same page. Then. I just think that might
Speaker 1: go a little bit earlier than that. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: there will be teams that like them more than we do. Okay,
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Speaker 1: beast coming out into the month, right, tell us a
Speaker 1: little bit more about that. Yeah, it's uh finishing up here.
Speaker 1: Last few prospects right around four hundred and fifty players
Speaker 1: in there, um like top three hundred full profiles and
Speaker 1: then the next one hundred hundred and fifty. I've done
Speaker 1: kind of summaries on each more, you know, the priority
Speaker 1: free agent pool. But that'll be very ready here hopefully
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Speaker 1: that we're doing Star Magazine. We're putting together our stuff
Speaker 1: as well. That should be out a couple weeks before
Speaker 1: the draft. We're working on that, getting it all squared away.
Speaker 1: So make sure you get Dame Brugler's the Beast again
Speaker 1: DP Brugler. You can follow along on that. He will
Speaker 1: tweet the link out to where you can order that,
Speaker 1: and then Star Magazine will put some more information out
Speaker 1: about that as well. All right, David Hellman, tell me more.
Speaker 1: All right, we need to go rapid fire today because
Speaker 1: I feel like Twitter on the twenty went long. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's okay, but as usual, the goal here, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to find us players that we either haven't even mentioned
Speaker 1: or at least haven't really discussed in detail. With that
Speaker 1: in mind, guys, tell me more about Middle Tennessee cornerback
Speaker 1: Jeremy Koutrare. Good name, and I'm glad you said his
Speaker 1: name correctly. I'm a little biased. He was supposed to
Speaker 1: be an LSU guy, so twice. Yeah, I knew who
Speaker 1: he was before the draft cycle started. It's a player
Speaker 1: who yeah, like like David said, it supposed to an
Speaker 1: LSU guy out of high school and then after Juco
Speaker 1: just didn't have the grades, couldn't qualify academically. So he
Speaker 1: find winds his winds up at Middle Tennessee and he's
Speaker 1: that tall, lean, speedy corner who can move pretty well.
Speaker 1: The big question is weight he was in the mid
Speaker 1: one sixties. Yeah, one hundred and seventy pounds. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: he was even lower than that at the pro day.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's very, very lean, but he's got kind
Speaker 1: of it's his backstory is just all over the place,
Speaker 1: like even right now, and he's living on people's couches
Speaker 1: right uh, and so he doesn't have that nutrition program
Speaker 1: right now that's going to help him maintain that weight. Surprise,
Speaker 1: he wasn't at the combine. He's a draftable player, uh,
Speaker 1: you know somewhere I think the fourth fifth round. If
Speaker 1: a team invested in him gets that weight up, I
Speaker 1: think that they're gonna have themselves a player, a guy
Speaker 1: who can start in this league, similar to Robinson who
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers to correct that kind of lean guy.
Speaker 1: It is the LSU connection there, But yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that the players. He watched him on tape last night
Speaker 1: a little bit, and he's got the ability to cover.
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that length. The link that the
Speaker 1: tackling is a little bit, you know, but a lot
Speaker 1: of off coverage though, a lot of drop drop, drop
Speaker 1: and then drive that kind of thing. But when he
Speaker 1: gets up on somebody, he can turn, he can mirror,
Speaker 1: he can go. I do like the player. I think
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. Someone needs to make the investment on
Speaker 1: him and try and put some weight on him one
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy pounds. That will be difficult, six one,
Speaker 1: one seventy. I think he's talking talking to his coach.
Speaker 1: I couldn't get his coaches say a negative word about
Speaker 1: he just raved. He said it's the best player he's
Speaker 1: ever coached. Yeah. Wow, good program to at Middle Tennessee. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they had the top combine stumble last year with
Speaker 1: buyer to safety went to Tennessee and with third or
Speaker 1: fourth rounds, right, fourth, fifth round, that's what we think.
Speaker 1: I would probably take him higher, but in terms of
Speaker 1: value where he's gonna end up, I think fourth, fifth round. Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like it? All right? This guy intrigues the hell out
Speaker 1: of me. And so I want you to tell me
Speaker 1: more about Miami running back Joe Yearby. I have you
Speaker 1: watched yarb? Yeah? I did? Did you like him? Because
Speaker 1: I I wasn't. I like his explosive I like the quickness.
Speaker 1: I think he's a four or four two guy. He's short,
Speaker 1: he's five eight and a half. But I like the
Speaker 1: explosiveness about the player. I don't know if he could finish,
Speaker 1: but I like his toughness. I thought he caught the
Speaker 1: ball well and I thought the vision was really really good.
Speaker 1: And I know he's a backup guy and that's probably
Speaker 1: what he'll be in the league. He looks like a
Speaker 1: stock of your dunbar. To me, he is. He's like
Speaker 1: a he's like a fire hydrant. He's like a little
Speaker 1: fire hydrant, that kind of stet. But you watch him run,
Speaker 1: you do see some finish with him, you know, And
Speaker 1: I forgot who he was watching. It was, Uh, it
Speaker 1: might have been Georgia Tech. Linebacker's got even set up
Speaker 1: right in the I mean right in the crosshairs and
Speaker 1: it's it's left plant bomb out of the gate to
Speaker 1: the right. Guy falls out of the way. Now he's
Speaker 1: up into the second level. So I like the explosiveness
Speaker 1: of the player, but I don't really know. Is he
Speaker 1: going to be the every down guy? Probably not, but
Speaker 1: that's not what I'm looking for. No, but he It
Speaker 1: is funny him and Dalvin Cook teammates same backfield in
Speaker 1: high school, talk about, you know, trying to defending that backfield. Uh,
Speaker 1: And it's funny because he has initially committed to Florida
Speaker 1: State and then he switched in Miami. Then Dalvin Cook
Speaker 1: went from clumps In to Florida State. That was a
Speaker 1: whole big thing with your bet. So I agree with
Speaker 1: everything you can said except one thing, and that's the vision. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I didn't see the vision when you When I watched
Speaker 1: him on tape, it was he had vision, but his
Speaker 1: tunnel vision, and he was missing open holes here left right.
Speaker 1: He he he's very patient and he follows his blocks,
Speaker 1: but almost to a fault because he's following his blocks
Speaker 1: even when there's an open hole developing over here, he
Speaker 1: just didn't sense it. And so is there a place
Speaker 1: in the NFL possibly for a guy like that who
Speaker 1: is going to follow the play design and he does
Speaker 1: have the toughness, he does have a little bit of
Speaker 1: burst to him. Sure, absolutely, But I do question the vision.
Speaker 1: It's just an instinctive feel. I don't see that. That's
Speaker 1: why to me, he's more of a dime a dozen back,
Speaker 1: you know, the guy that. Sure he might be able to,
Speaker 1: you know, make a depth chart and help you out
Speaker 1: a little bit, but I don't think he's any more special.
Speaker 1: Veghables might not help him. If you're looking for a
Speaker 1: guy at the end of the draft, we're just drafted
Speaker 1: traits sounds it sounds like Dane's talking about a priority
Speaker 1: free agent here. I have him greater as a priority
Speaker 1: for I had him in the sixth round. That's what
Speaker 1: I want though that and that's why he's intriguing to men.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to show him some tape of him
Speaker 1: with the vision. This is a guy we actually have
Speaker 1: talked about, but not in a while, and it's fitting
Speaker 1: because Michigan has their pro day tomorrow. Tell me a
Speaker 1: little bit more about Chris Warmley, one of the highest
Speaker 1: floors I think of this draft. You just know who
Speaker 1: he is. He's not a great pass rusher, but he's
Speaker 1: he's big, he's stocky. He's going to give you snaps
Speaker 1: inside and outside. He's over three hundred pounds. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I think he's more of a defensive end. But he's
Speaker 1: just not a pass rusher. He's your base end who
Speaker 1: is gonna, you know, hold the edge, keep contain and
Speaker 1: be a factor versus the run. He can also help
Speaker 1: you out kick inside on on third down, you bring
Speaker 1: an extra pass rusher on into the field, so whether
Speaker 1: it's a three four or four three. I think he's
Speaker 1: a bass end, a solid Day two pick. Nothing wow
Speaker 1: or flashy about him, just a solid player. Yeah. The
Speaker 1: thing about him, and I think he's a three four end.
Speaker 1: He reminds me very much what those Oregon kids that
Speaker 1: we watched the last couple of drafts. Yeah, Buck nor Armstead,
Speaker 1: those guys that are better at playing as a three
Speaker 1: four defensive end. I think the guy. I like what
Speaker 1: Dane's saying about him. I thought he needed to get
Speaker 1: off blocks a little bit quicker and chase the ball.
Speaker 1: I thought he was a good awareness though good player,
Speaker 1: like he could do some one gap stuff, even though
Speaker 1: you think he could be a three three four defensive
Speaker 1: end when you play two gap. But I just think,
Speaker 1: you know, if he plays as a four three player,
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to play as a one technique because
Speaker 1: he doesn't have any pass rush ability. He really just doesn't.
Speaker 1: But he's just a good run player, is what I
Speaker 1: feel like. Where can I get him? Not that he
Speaker 1: sounds like the Cowboys would want him, but okay, see
Speaker 1: I kind of have a because I'm dealing with a
Speaker 1: four three team here. My team's a four three team.
Speaker 1: So I kind of had a comment, I have got
Speaker 1: a bump. I have a group of guys like Whys
Speaker 1: the Jones kid from North Carolina, Warmly, Those are my
Speaker 1: three four defensive end guys, so I really don't have
Speaker 1: them in the mix with And you can might even
Speaker 1: talk about Charlton a little bit of that maybe being
Speaker 1: a better three four defensive end guy. I don't want
Speaker 1: to talk about Taco. I've got Warmly uh as a
Speaker 1: two three, So goill higher than me. This is a
Speaker 1: This is a Dane Brugler special because I didn't even
Speaker 1: know that Bucknell had a FO three no pass Russia.
Speaker 1: What two three and no pass rush? Well, it's what
Speaker 1: he is. He's a he's a bass end who, okay,
Speaker 1: is gonna give you a lot of snaps and give
Speaker 1: me some position versatility. You're hijacking my segment. Sorry, you're
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. It's been three months since the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. It's not it's not a bad a day
Speaker 1: to revisit from time to time. Tell me more about
Speaker 1: Julian Davenport, the offensive tackle out of buck Now, this
Speaker 1: isn't a great tackle class. We've talked about it. But
Speaker 1: if there is one developmental tackle that you've is that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you feel raw, shi, Yeah, but two to three years
Speaker 1: from now, you feel like you can grow into something.
Speaker 1: I think that's Davenport. Fourth round, you know, early day
Speaker 1: three somewhere is probably his landing spot. You know, obviously
Speaker 1: coming from the FCS level, didn't face top competition. You
Speaker 1: saw it at the Senior Bowl. Yeah, just very very raw,
Speaker 1: just who he is. But with those natural skills, you know,
Speaker 1: former basketball player. He has a long armed cat, he is,
Speaker 1: and he can move a little bit, he can move
Speaker 1: a lot. I think, yeah, he's not, you know, not
Speaker 1: the finisher that you want. But I think give him time.
Speaker 1: I think he can develop that technical skill. And hopefully
Speaker 1: you don't see him on the field this year and
Speaker 1: for his sake, but if you, you know, draft him
Speaker 1: in the fourth round, maybe a sophomore year year, two
Speaker 1: year three, he can potentially give you meaningful snaps. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I saw a guy that to me, I liked watching
Speaker 1: him play because I felt like him getting away from
Speaker 1: the line. He had an understanding of how to play.
Speaker 1: But can he do everything? Like you said, the technical aspect,
Speaker 1: you know, the kicks, slide, hands, feet, working together, the
Speaker 1: length is all that is great. Like I said, he
Speaker 1: only did eighteen reps, you know, with with the two
Speaker 1: twenty five. Now, okay, Travis Frederick only did twenty one
Speaker 1: I believe when he came in there yet exactly. So
Speaker 1: there's guys that it's about functional strength and about weight
Speaker 1: room strength. I don't think he has functional strength and
Speaker 1: I don't think he has weight room strength because you
Speaker 1: do see him get compressed some. But you know someone's
Speaker 1: gonna draft him and they're gonna, they're gonna they're gonna
Speaker 1: train him and get him because the feet and the
Speaker 1: athletic ability for somebody that's like six seven is and
Speaker 1: he's I think he's three hundred and eighteen pounds three
Speaker 1: right in that range and a half. Yeah, So that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I think that there's a guy there.
Speaker 1: There's a guy that if you want to develop up
Speaker 1: a guy, you know, maybe be your fifty third guy.
Speaker 1: This is your cat. This is a great room to
Speaker 1: develop a tackle in eighty eighty seven and a half
Speaker 1: in twinks me. I can't remember who tweeted this, but
Speaker 1: someone tweeted that he can change both mirrors when he's
Speaker 1: in the car with a wing fane. Sorry, ridiculous. Where
Speaker 1: are we talking? I think fourth round? Yeah, I had
Speaker 1: him more to five, sixth round. Love, I love this.
Speaker 1: I don't want to spend a premium pick, but I
Speaker 1: would do that. You don't have a five day, so
Speaker 1: get one of those real quick. Tell me more about
Speaker 1: Ohio linebacker Blair Brown. Like the player? You like the
Speaker 1: player speedy? Uh, he's not big. He is smaller, he's
Speaker 1: five eleven four maybe, but he doesn't play like it. No,
Speaker 1: remember watches that defensive in bash him. Yeah, he'shim, is
Speaker 1: a good player. But this Blair Brown, go ahead, remember
Speaker 1: last year talking about a MAC linebacker who was undersized,
Speaker 1: Jatavis Brown from Akron. Yeah, played well, ended up going
Speaker 1: in the fifth round, and yeah, I did play well
Speaker 1: for San Diego. He's not quite the athlete that Tavis
Speaker 1: Brown is, but similar. You know the type of mold
Speaker 1: where it's that MAC linebacker who's undersized, not getting the
Speaker 1: just due. But he's he's a player, he's gonna He's
Speaker 1: a magnet to the ball, the closing burst, outstanding a
Speaker 1: lot of range, and he's not afraid to hit you.
Speaker 1: Yeah he does night. He plays much bigger than he looks.
Speaker 1: This guy, you could say, watching him play on tape,
Speaker 1: you could tell he loves to play football because he
Speaker 1: is always around the ball. I mean he is. He's physically,
Speaker 1: I said, physically not the biggest guy. He's short, like
Speaker 1: I say, five to eleven four in that range. He's
Speaker 1: a sideline the sideline player, and he gets after. He
Speaker 1: could beat blockers to the ball. That's what I really
Speaker 1: liked about him. When you talk about the awareness, you
Speaker 1: see the play, you go get down, He'll make the
Speaker 1: tackle finish. I think that when you talk also about contact.
Speaker 1: Balance is another thing. When he hits, he's not all
Speaker 1: out of whack, he's square, he tackles, he wraps up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Blarah Brown, where do you I put him in the
Speaker 1: fourth round? So I I like this player a lot,
Speaker 1: and and it's nice to know Mac. The MAC puts
Speaker 1: some good players in this league. Yeah, these are tough
Speaker 1: that you call it the bus league, the bus league
Speaker 1: because they drive everywhere to the games the NFL from
Speaker 1: the MAC. Yeah, this is what I'm looking for here.
Speaker 1: That's why I like this segment. Yeah, looking for good
Speaker 1: players that they don't have to spend a premium pick on.
Speaker 1: I guess that's what you're telling me about right now, Kit,
Speaker 1: before we get out here, is there one call available
Speaker 1: or is that? Do we miss that up? No callers
Speaker 1: right now? I know. I try, I try, but Kent
Speaker 1: does a great job. So he'll play the music and
Speaker 1: we'll get out of here. I want to thank everybody
Speaker 1: for being a part of this. Want to thank Dame Brugler.
Speaker 1: I want to thank you David Hellman. Want to especially
Speaker 1: thank Kate Garrison for always keeping us on air. I
Speaker 1: want to thank Derek Eagleton for his leadership, Kayler Stern
Speaker 1: for always putting our stuff out. We'll be back next week.
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