Speaker 1: Hello, It's so amazing to talk to you. Finally. I
Speaker 1: tried to call so many times.
Speaker 2: What's your name, sir?
Speaker 1: I can go by caveman, but you can also give
Speaker 1: me a name, and like, I.
Speaker 2: Like cave man. Where are you calling from? Cave man?
Speaker 1: From the actual cave.
Speaker 2: You're calling from a cave.
Speaker 1: Yes, the cave.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a caveman and you're calling from the cave.
Speaker 1: Yes, I do. I'm calling from the cave. Is there
Speaker 1: sound quality? Okay, I can go my other cave that
Speaker 1: is a little bit less windy.
Speaker 2: You have hold on, hold on, slow down from my brother.
Speaker 2: You have two caves, yeah, yeah, I do. In this economy,
Speaker 2: like you have two caves.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. And there's a lot of free apartments. So
Speaker 1: if anyone want to join, come in.
Speaker 2: I think people need to. I think the people need
Speaker 2: to get to know you a little bit before they
Speaker 2: take you up on your offer to live in a
Speaker 2: cave with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is like a free space for
Speaker 1: everyone who know of it.
Speaker 2: And yeah, are you or are you friends?
Speaker 1: No? I am Polish originally, but now I'm in Teneris.
Speaker 1: That is the this is the island that is a
Speaker 1: part of Spain, and yeah, I'm cheating. I'm homeless and
Speaker 1: I'm living in the cave.
Speaker 2: You are living in a cave on an island in Spain, Yes,
Speaker 2: I do. The phone reception is quite The phone reception
Speaker 2: there is quite good.
Speaker 1: Oh that's great. Yeah, I'm pretty high on the like
Speaker 1: the mountain. So yeah, so I'm glad.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm a little bit shaking. I am very stressed
Speaker 1: out by this phone call. I didn't thought I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get in and I'm really happy to talk to you finally.
Speaker 2: Brother, you live in a cave. How are you getting
Speaker 2: stressed out about a phone call?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Phone calls are hard, and also I really want
Speaker 1: to talk to you. And I like listen to pretty
Speaker 1: much all of your podcasts. I'm there, I'm searching in
Speaker 1: the Spotify and I'm like a only if you left listen.
Speaker 2: To m Yeah, I got a bunch of texts from
Speaker 2: you on the Google voice line where you were. You
Speaker 2: were talking about yes, cave thing, and I never I
Speaker 2: never called you back because I wanted to wait for
Speaker 2: the time to be right. But here we are, and
Speaker 2: I'm very curious about this whole cave thing. So what's
Speaker 2: your story? Cave man. How did you end up living
Speaker 2: in a cave?
Speaker 1: Hmmm, it's a kind of long story, like my whole
Speaker 1: life like contributed to uh to me being in this place. Ah,
Speaker 1: So do you want to like the whole life story
Speaker 1: or just how I know about this place and why
Speaker 1: I live here?
Speaker 2: Right now, let's do the whole life story. This is uh,
Speaker 2: this might this could end up being a whole podcast
Speaker 2: worth of uh information here. I'm I'm I'm down to
Speaker 2: hear it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I listened to the guy.
Speaker 2: Like to you.
Speaker 1: Oh fuck, I listened to the recently the podcast you
Speaker 1: did with the guy who like travel over around the
Speaker 1: world and and done some crazy shit with some airplanes
Speaker 1: and that was so crazy. And yeah, I am kind
Speaker 1: of like this guy. I want to be like this guy.
Speaker 1: I want to travel the world. All right. So I
Speaker 1: am currently twenty years old. I'm gonna be twenty one
Speaker 1: in in a month in May. And oh, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm very stressed out, very fonko. So I am. I'm
Speaker 1: an orphan and I'm autistic. So this is the two
Speaker 1: biggest things that I think contributed. Being autistic and being
Speaker 1: an orphan. And so my father died when I was twelve,
Speaker 1: and my mother when I was fifteen, and I pretty
Speaker 1: much my whole life was kind of and I was
Speaker 1: kind of on my own, and I was taking care
Speaker 1: of my little brother brother, and I was living with
Speaker 1: my grandma for a while. And when I was eighteen
Speaker 1: and I finished school, I moved out to the bigger
Speaker 1: city and did that for a few months. But the
Speaker 1: depression was crumbling me to the dust. And like two
Speaker 1: years ago I kind of explored more like alternative communities
Speaker 1: people and I discovered that the tenor If and the
Speaker 1: people told me about the Tenerif and the case and
Speaker 1: that people live here in the middle of nowhere sometimes
Speaker 1: and I wanted to try it out, so I did
Speaker 1: five months ago. I've been here for sixteen days, sixteen
Speaker 1: based like check it out, and it was cool. It
Speaker 1: was very cool. And when the life in the in
Speaker 1: Poland like crumbled because of the depression and of the cold,
Speaker 1: and it was I am, yeah, I'm kind of stressed out.
Speaker 1: I decided to leave everything behind me, school, money, everything,
Speaker 1: and I just I'm just living in a case and
Speaker 1: I'm having fun.
Speaker 2: So on this island, do you live alone in this case?
Speaker 2: Does anyone else live on this island.
Speaker 1: No, there's a lot of people on this island. It's
Speaker 1: very touristy islands, and there's also local people that lives
Speaker 1: here and they don't really like tourists because hotels are everywhere.
Speaker 1: And yeah, there's a lot of people living in the
Speaker 1: cave in the place I am. I'm not gonna like
Speaker 1: specify the city because I don't want to like who.
Speaker 1: I don't want to get too much attention for the
Speaker 1: people who live there because they want to live in
Speaker 1: the peace.
Speaker 2: So you live Do you live alone in this cave
Speaker 2: or are there other people living in the cave?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm living alone. There's a lot of like caves
Speaker 1: near me, but in my sport it don't have really neighbors.
Speaker 1: I have one guy who has like communal cave when
Speaker 1: a lot of people like the eye and we cook
Speaker 1: food and we like hang out together. But I am
Speaker 1: pretty much alone and I really need that to to
Speaker 1: get more impendent independent of myself. And I have like
Speaker 1: solar panels and yeah, I'm doing okay, mm hmmmm.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. So what do you Yeah, what's the setup
Speaker 2: like in this cave? Do you pay? Do you are
Speaker 2: you just like squatting in this cave, Like, how'd you
Speaker 2: find the cave? What's the square footage the cave? What
Speaker 2: do you how much do you pay for rent in
Speaker 2: the cave? What's what's the what's the rundown exactly?
Speaker 1: And so yeah, you need to find it. There's like
Speaker 1: caves that are already built by someone and they just
Speaker 1: left out because a lot of people come here in
Speaker 1: the winter and then go back to their countries when
Speaker 1: it starts to get too warm. There are some people
Speaker 1: who live on this island the whole air because the
Speaker 1: temperature doesn't really go more than ten degrees sales use
Speaker 1: I don't know, I know you use fineheit late, I know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, so I found myself a cave.
Speaker 1: I mean it's a hole in the rock. So this
Speaker 1: kind of cave and Polish there's two different words for
Speaker 1: like because the cave is deeper deeper and you can
Speaker 1: like go in the tunnels and this is like a
Speaker 1: hole in the rock? Is it? Do you have like
Speaker 1: words or it? In English?
Speaker 2: We have Do I have a word for a hole
Speaker 2: in a rock?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think there's like two words for it, and
Speaker 1: one is a cave. Everybody called it cave here. So
Speaker 1: it's a cave pretty much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I yeah, a hole in a rock. That sounds
Speaker 2: I guess that's what a cave is. It's a hole
Speaker 2: in a big in a rock. That's probably not true
Speaker 2: at all, but okay, So do you have a bed
Speaker 2: in this cave or do you sleep on the floor?
Speaker 1: I found too mattresses and I actually this is a
Speaker 1: better mattress than I have in than I had in Poland.
Speaker 1: And it's pretty comfy. I found a lot of it's
Speaker 1: pretty cozy. It's very cozy. And creating my own like
Speaker 1: personal space from the things I found it in the
Speaker 1: trash was amazing. And I love to live here and
Speaker 1: spending time here to draw, hang out with friends that
Speaker 1: I invite. Yeah, this is a very cool space.
Speaker 2: M hm hmm. See you have friends on this island.
Speaker 2: You're not like alone. You sound like you have a
Speaker 2: pretty good life on this island. You're not alone. You
Speaker 2: have homies, you have you have cave nights. You have
Speaker 2: board game night at the cave.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't have a board games, but we sometimes
Speaker 1: play chest chess.
Speaker 2: As a board game. Yeah it is all right, So
Speaker 2: all right, so I I here's the thing. What's your
Speaker 2: cave man, I'm gonna play a cave man. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: still trying to get a picture of what you're like.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to imagine what the cave looks like.
Speaker 1: Okay, So, so.
Speaker 2: How do you eat? Like we eat? What food do
Speaker 2: you consume?
Speaker 1: I eat from the trash?
Speaker 2: Are you serious?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You eat from the trash man? Like yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: so other people so other people, like like I said,
Speaker 2: there's a big tourist the island, right, So, like folks
Speaker 2: come and they waste a bunch of food and you
Speaker 2: go dumpster diving and you and you get food from
Speaker 2: the trash.
Speaker 1: And basically, yeah, I don't go to like normal trush
Speaker 1: when you can fight like everywhere from the homes or
Speaker 1: the hotels. But they go to like big market shops
Speaker 1: and they throw out like a lot a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff because the packaging or damage or it's like one
Speaker 1: or two days out of date and they cannot sell it.
Speaker 1: You would be surprised how much food is waste. Yesterday,
Speaker 1: I've been with my friends who just visited me two
Speaker 1: days ago, and we were on the on the dumpster
Speaker 1: diving mission and we found like a block of cheeseichi
Speaker 1: I don't know how to say it properly, and some
Speaker 1: chiesa and mozzarella cheese and old spinach, bananas and yeah,
Speaker 1: some veggies, a lot, a lot of stuff. And I
Speaker 1: yesterday I made like nyoki with tomatoes with the heavy
Speaker 1: cream sauce, spinach and most and three types of cheeses.
Speaker 1: So I eat pretty good.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm mm hmmmm. So you have friends that visit.
Speaker 2: So these friends that were visiting, are they friends from Poland?
Speaker 2: Or these are friends from the island that you made.
Speaker 1: I have a lot of friends from different countries. Is
Speaker 1: that I had. I had a friend with I'm gonna
Speaker 1: call her Sky because she wears all blue. She is
Speaker 1: kind of like a sky. And she's very hard to
Speaker 1: talk to get the contact with her because she doesn't
Speaker 1: use any sort of media and she's only using the text.
Speaker 1: And we have seen each other like three times in
Speaker 1: my life. And I just thought about about her and
Speaker 1: I called her and I told her, Hey, mom, I
Speaker 1: do you want to come? And she yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: visit you for a month. And so yeah, she she's here.
Speaker 2: Oh cool. Yeah, So you have a friend, you have
Speaker 2: a friend who's staying with you for a month.
Speaker 1: Yeah, basically I'm gonna give her much in my one
Speaker 1: cave like or just her. But today we we are
Speaker 1: sleeping together because there was big grain and we need
Speaker 1: to like my one of my I'm sorry, I'm so
Speaker 1: stressed out. I had this whole conversation out in my mind.
Speaker 1: I thought about calling you so many do me, do me?
Speaker 2: Do me here? Listen, cave man, do me do me
Speaker 2: a favor? Haven't this listen? I know you said you
Speaker 2: had this whole conversation planned out in your mind. But
Speaker 2: abandon your plan. Abandon whatever you had planned out in
Speaker 2: your mind.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just curious about I have. I have a
Speaker 2: lot of uh just I mean, you live in a
Speaker 2: cave man. I have a lot of questions. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: you don't have to We don't. We don't have to
Speaker 2: follow any kind of plan. We can just we can
Speaker 2: just chit chat. Brother, There's nothing to be stressed out about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I like, have I want to, I'm like
Speaker 1: answer questions. I don't want to talk too much on
Speaker 1: my own because I'm gonna lose myself completely.
Speaker 2: So okay, so you dumpstered up? So do you? Okay?
Speaker 2: So I assume you don't like, uh uh, do you
Speaker 2: do you work on the island?
Speaker 1: Do you?
Speaker 2: Or are you kind of knowing like no money life, pretty.
Speaker 1: Much no money life. I have some money saved up,
Speaker 1: not a lot, but it's enough to survive. So if
Speaker 1: I need like buy toilet paper and there's no food
Speaker 1: in the trush, I am I can buy some foods
Speaker 1: and book low effort meal.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm mm hmm. What's the weather like on this
Speaker 2: on this islands?
Speaker 1: Now, it's a rainy season and there's one cloud like
Speaker 1: small and the sky is all blow So this is
Speaker 1: how it is on this part of the island. There
Speaker 1: are I think seven or eight rainy days in the
Speaker 1: whole year, and today was the one that was rainy.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, I know if it's kind of kind
Speaker 1: of cool if like climate wise, because one part of
Speaker 1: the island is pretty much dry and you have like
Speaker 1: cacti everywhere and it's sand and it's pretty much better.
Speaker 1: And the other side is kind of like subtropical and
Speaker 1: their rain is like more present, and also you have trees,
Speaker 1: you have like pretty much little jungle.
Speaker 4: Hmm.
Speaker 2: What do you do all day?
Speaker 3: M hm h.
Speaker 1: Vibing, chilling, don't. I'm not stressing about anything really, and
Speaker 1: it's a physical change from my life in the past
Speaker 1: few years. M m hmm.
Speaker 2: What what was your life like in the past few years?
Speaker 1: Chaotic and with a lot of personal growth. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty young. I'm only twenty so and I finished
Speaker 1: school and I am a veterinary technician. And then and
Speaker 1: then I moved out to the bigger city mm hmm.
Speaker 1: And I lived in a few places and start living
Speaker 1: with my good friends and that was cooled to experience,
Speaker 1: like having living with actual, actual friends and and yeah,
Speaker 1: but I was fucking depressed all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, why do you think you were fucking depressed all
Speaker 2: the time?
Speaker 1: Hmmm. I didn't have a purpose and I the thing is,
Speaker 1: the most hard depression I had was like when the
Speaker 1: winter started and I like finished finished my veterinary school,
Speaker 1: and I moved out to the bigger city, and I
Speaker 1: am an orphan so until I am twenty five. I
Speaker 1: get the money from the government if if I am
Speaker 1: in the school system, so if I'm learning, I'm getting
Speaker 1: the money in So I went to like school when
Speaker 1: I had two days of actual learning, and then twelve
Speaker 1: days at twelve twelve days of free time, and I
Speaker 1: still get I was still getting the money, and the
Speaker 1: money was enough to don't work and just lay on
Speaker 1: my ass all day. And yeah, I didn't have space
Speaker 1: for like exploring my free time. And I was just
Speaker 1: sitting on my ass and lotting on my phone and
Speaker 1: it was so fucking depressing. So I needed to make
Speaker 1: a big change. And here I am looking on a
Speaker 1: beautiful mountain right now, and when I turned my head around,
Speaker 1: there's an ocean.
Speaker 2: Do you feel good about your big change?
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is probably one of the best decisions I
Speaker 1: made in my life.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Do you think about the future, Do you
Speaker 2: think about what you want to do or kind of
Speaker 2: what your life a lot will be like in the future.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: When you think about the future, what kind of thoughts
Speaker 2: do you have?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, all the time, all the time. And it's
Speaker 1: pretty interesting in with how many in how many ways
Speaker 1: you can like experience life. And yeah, like I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about maybe buying a van, maybe go to work and
Speaker 1: save the money to buy a piece of land. Maybe
Speaker 1: here the land here it's it's very terristic, so it's
Speaker 1: kind of expensive. But there's also other islands. Because this
Speaker 1: is the group called Canary Islands and you can fight
Speaker 1: some you can find some like small piece of land
Speaker 1: that you can like grow fruits and build like small
Speaker 1: small house, and that would be cool to have. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm so sorry about my English
Speaker 1: and meaning so stress out and I feel like I'm swallowing,
Speaker 1: swollowing my tongue all the time. Thank you, thank you, gig. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm feeling a lot how you can experience life and
Speaker 1: about the many ways you can live it, and I'm
Speaker 1: pretty excited about it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, shit, man, you're fucking you're only twenty.
Speaker 2: I mean, you have so much life to experience. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the thing, man, is there are infinite ways to
Speaker 2: experience life. It can be a little overwhelming sometimes, I'm
Speaker 2: finding there are pretty infinite ways to experience life. I
Speaker 2: can be pretty overwhelming sometimes, but I mean, I'm just
Speaker 2: I'm glad to hear that you found you're finding some
Speaker 2: kind of you know, it sounds like you you have
Speaker 2: I mean, I know you say you're stressed out on
Speaker 2: this phone call, but is it is it fair to
Speaker 2: say that you generally feel.
Speaker 1: Peaceful for the first time in my life? I think, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's wonderful. I feel I feel peaceful. My friends, like
Speaker 1: maybe an hour ago send me some sort of like
Speaker 1: out eating chart when when you have like the problems
Speaker 1: that autistic people struggle with. And she told me to
Speaker 1: feel it out and she's gonna feel it out with me.
Speaker 1: And it was in the like depression, anxiety, social, social
Speaker 1: skills and all that in the current season. And I
Speaker 1: filled it up and I was looking at the chart
Speaker 1: and I thought to myself, holy fuck, I improved so
Speaker 1: much and life is so great, and it would do
Speaker 1: so great decision. And when I filled it up, I
Speaker 1: made another one and I thought about the time and
Speaker 1: before getting on the island.
Speaker 3: And it was yeah, it was awful.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmmm. So you you filled out this chart, so
Speaker 2: you noticed a lot of significant positive like changes in
Speaker 2: your brain and life since moving to the islands.
Speaker 5: Yeah, mm hmm, it sounds.
Speaker 2: Like you've got a good It's funny because I guess
Speaker 2: when I first I was reading your text about living
Speaker 2: in a cave, I thought you were living kind of
Speaker 2: isolated life. But you actually seem like you have a
Speaker 2: good sense of community out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have pretty much. Yeah, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: friends that I've met here, and also a lot of
Speaker 1: friends that I met on like because I mean, like
Speaker 1: I think social bubble of alternative people, of hippie people,
Speaker 1: so I met a lot a lot of them in
Speaker 1: the past years or like festivals, and I yeah, so
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that a lot of my friends
Speaker 1: are gonna be here. And I remember the first day
Speaker 1: that I arrived here, my friends that lives in the
Speaker 1: island now I think for the five months picked me out.
Speaker 1: We were going to uh to the play to the
Speaker 1: area where the caves are. And I've met like six
Speaker 1: people that I already know and I didn't know they
Speaker 1: are going to be on the island.
Speaker 2: So yeah, wait a minute, So there are people that
Speaker 2: you already knew and you didn't and then you didn't
Speaker 2: know they were going to be on the island when
Speaker 2: you got there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the people that I met on the festivals, I
Speaker 1: mean not really my big friends, but yeah, the people
Speaker 1: that I know, and I like, interesting, what.
Speaker 2: Kind of festivals are they? Just are these just like
Speaker 2: music festivals.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of kind of yeah, music courses. I'm going
Speaker 1: to a lot like small festivals, maybe too up to
Speaker 1: two hundreds, four hundred people and mostly they are like
Speaker 1: in the nature and you can.
Speaker 3: Find a lot of people hippie people.
Speaker 1: Doing acid and ship yeah, and laying and rolling on
Speaker 1: the grass. Mm hm m hmm.
Speaker 2: That's interesting. How old are most of the people on
Speaker 2: this island, because you're pretty young. Is everyone else also
Speaker 2: around your age or is it kind.
Speaker 1: Of I'm I'm I'm the youngest one of the people
Speaker 1: they've met. I mean the people that lives on this island,
Speaker 1: and nor like in the hippi a on the caves
Speaker 1: or some like uh squats or anything. Is this squat?
Speaker 1: Is it the proper way to say it?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, people squatting some yeah, yeah. Yeah. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of types of people coming here here, like hippie people.
Speaker 1: Basically all the people that are coming here are kind
Speaker 1: of out of normal social nons. So you can find
Speaker 1: like happy hippie people and also more like actual homeless people.
Speaker 1: Some of them are like drag addicts or something like that.
Speaker 1: So also the age age range differs a lot, but
Speaker 1: most of them, most of them are like in the
Speaker 1: late twenties and thirties, I would say maybe twenties, twenties
Speaker 1: meet to late twenties.
Speaker 2: Do you see yourself staying on this island, you know,
Speaker 2: pretty indefinitely.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I mean I love it and I
Speaker 1: needed that. I'm sorry for my tongue. Yeah, I needed that.
Speaker 1: I needed that for for a while. But I am
Speaker 1: kind of stouked and I'm excited about and returning to Poland.
Speaker 1: And I think I'm gonna go back in like months
Speaker 1: or two, and then I'm gonna travel around Europe and
Speaker 1: visit some people in different countries that I met here.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna go to Croatia, I'm gonna go to Hungary,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go to Norway, and I think I'm
Speaker 1: gonna just visit places in the in between. And yeah,
Speaker 1: that's very cool. And also yeah, and I'm gonna return
Speaker 1: the festivals in to the festival season in Poland. There's
Speaker 1: all lot of like cool small festivals in nature and
Speaker 1: they are so beautiful and I love folk music.
Speaker 2: Yeah hmm, that sounds awesome. That sounds really cool. Do
Speaker 2: you do any kind of art or music or anything
Speaker 2: like that. Do you make anything?
Speaker 1: I bought myself some watercolors, autocolor points, and I bought
Speaker 1: myself some pencils because I want to explore that I
Speaker 1: want to create. I have like a very strong desire
Speaker 1: to create, create anything basically, so I have a lot
Speaker 1: of time to explore that, and I started to draw.
Speaker 1: It's nothing really crazy, but it's the whole process is
Speaker 1: very enjoyable. And I didn't I had time in like
Speaker 1: in when I was living in Poland, but I didn't
Speaker 1: have like strength to do anything new and to grow
Speaker 1: like as a human being. Mm yeah, pretty cool vacation.
Speaker 2: Well, let me see here, cave man, let me Uh,
Speaker 2: why don't we do this? We've got the live twitch
Speaker 2: chat here. Let's see. I'm sure that people in the
Speaker 2: twitch chat probably have a few questions. If anyone in
Speaker 2: the twitch chat wants to, I'll read them out to you.
Speaker 2: If anyone in the twitch chat has any any questions
Speaker 2: for you. Let's see here they're talking about how the
Speaker 2: new call of duty is bad? What the fuck?
Speaker 4: All?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Oh? Okay? Someone said, does the cave stay the same
Speaker 2: temperature year round or is there ore there different seasons?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: In this part of island, it's pretty much hot all
Speaker 1: the all, all time around. Uh.
Speaker 2: Someone said, uh, do you smash a lot of cave chicks? M?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I know this is not my thing.
Speaker 2: Uh do you do you ever cook anything? Or you
Speaker 2: just straight eating leftovers?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yesterday I made yoki and I shared them
Speaker 1: with friends and it was pretty pretty delicious. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I love to cook and I wanna explore like cooking
Speaker 1: more in my life. Yeah. When I'm gonna like return
Speaker 1: to point, I think in September, I'm gonna get my
Speaker 1: own place. I wanna like buy a lot of new
Speaker 1: kitchen stuff, and they want to cook, Like I always
Speaker 1: loved cooking, and cooking for people was like my big passion.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I want to cook more and to explore that.
Speaker 2: Someone said, could you describe the cave please? I know
Speaker 2: you've already kind of done that a little bit, but
Speaker 2: if you just want to look around the cave and
Speaker 2: really give us a solid description of what exactly we
Speaker 2: should be imagining.
Speaker 1: Huh. So, it's kind of like a sandstone kind of
Speaker 1: volcanic rock. I mean, there's a lot of very a
Speaker 1: little bit about variations. Hmmm. I've built like a little
Speaker 1: roof with with plastic pipes and some sort of like
Speaker 1: material that I found. I have like small table, I
Speaker 1: have a pretty cool mattress, a lot of pillows, a
Speaker 1: lot of pillows and it's so comfy here and very
Speaker 1: pretty blanket, and yeah, that's a good discussion.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, someone said, let's see. Oh, someone said,
Speaker 2: where is his brother? Did you mention having a brother?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I have a little pattern that I was raising, Yeah,
Speaker 1: kind of. So so he's still living with my grandma.
Speaker 1: He is sixteen right now, and he yeah, he's depressed
Speaker 1: as fuck. I like, I see myself in him so much,
Speaker 1: and I am. Yeah, I'm thinking a lot about him,
Speaker 1: and I'm feeling kind of guilty about not being there
Speaker 1: with him m hmm and not helping him because I
Speaker 1: see a lot of things that he struggles with that
Speaker 1: I struggle my whole life, like being not very social,
Speaker 1: being like mm, especially in my younger younger years, being
Speaker 1: like black sheep in any social situation. And he doesn't
Speaker 1: have like any purpose or passion. So yeah, mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: Do you still do you keep in touch with him
Speaker 2: very often, like with text or call or anything like that.
Speaker 1: We had like a two month's break and yeah, we
Speaker 1: called each other and we were talking for an hour,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I told him that I felt felt very
Speaker 1: guilty about not reaching out and that our relationship is
Speaker 1: not not really there and that I see the things
Speaker 1: that he struggles with, and I said that I cannot
Speaker 1: like be there and help.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Would you ever have him come visit the come visit
Speaker 2: the Cave Islands?
Speaker 1: I would love to. I would love to that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's in school, so and I'm gonna get to Europe
Speaker 1: before the summer starts. So but maybe next year, maybe
Speaker 1: we're gonna go to a little vacation together. That would
Speaker 1: be great.
Speaker 2: Uh, let's see here, Okay, we have some wants to know.
Speaker 2: Do you have a bed? I was wondering that too.
Speaker 3: Bed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you have a bed?
Speaker 1: I mean I have a mattress. This is a bed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't have like a bed frame, but yeah, this
Speaker 1: is pretty much bad.
Speaker 2: Are there bats in the cave?
Speaker 1: But no, there are no bats here that I know of.
Speaker 2: What is your pooping situation looking like in this cave?
Speaker 1: Pretty chill? I have a So I leave, like canyon
Speaker 1: canyon isn't the right worthy canyon we call it's called
Speaker 1: the baranco here. So I look pretty high up and
Speaker 1: I just go down a little and I dig like
Speaker 1: a long hole. So if I need to go, I
Speaker 1: just do my stuff covered with the with the hands
Speaker 1: and I'm good.
Speaker 2: Someone wants to know what is the best thing you
Speaker 2: have found in the trash so far in your dumpster
Speaker 2: diving days.
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, yesterday I found a new power bank that
Speaker 1: I'm actually now charging my phone with. It has like
Speaker 1: solar panel built in and it's it has twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five million million.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It starts a lot of energy. It's cool.
Speaker 1: And I found two pairs of boots, so that's cool.
Speaker 1: And yeah, lots of cool stuff. I'm so like, still
Speaker 1: stressed out about talking and that I am. I cannot
Speaker 1: really think of that.
Speaker 2: We've been, We've been, We've been. We've been cooking for
Speaker 2: forty minutes, doing great, brother, thank you for offering offering
Speaker 2: the people your time. You have a very interesting story.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 2: I have a few more questions for you if you're
Speaker 2: still down to cook. We've got some interesting questions here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: someone said, has a stranger ever just walked in the cave?
Speaker 5: Mm?
Speaker 2: Hm.
Speaker 1: The people that live in the area pretty much go
Speaker 1: by the uh social law. I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: social law, I don't know how to call it. But
Speaker 1: no one ever like goes to any one place without
Speaker 1: without permission, and yeah we are Yeah, we're good. We're good.
Speaker 1: There's no problem with no problems with got.
Speaker 2: Uh. Let's see here. Oh yeah, do you have like
Speaker 2: water or gas in the cave?
Speaker 1: I don't have water. I have a tab that I
Speaker 1: go to and it's like ten minutes from here. And
Speaker 1: also like fifteen minutes from my place, there's a little
Speaker 1: so if I need to buy drinking water, I can
Speaker 1: just by like sixteen meters, get them to my backpack
Speaker 1: and walk here. And I didn't have a gas. I
Speaker 1: have a fireplace and I have some pots that I found,
Speaker 1: so if I need to cook something, I just chip shoop.
Speaker 2: All right, we got one. I'll do one last question here.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I don't know if you know this, but like,
Speaker 2: does the Spanish government care that people are living in caves?
Speaker 2: Someone asks that. Yeah, I'm curious about that too, does
Speaker 2: like does the government or like the police or like
Speaker 2: does anyone ask you guys or do they not really
Speaker 2: give a fuck?
Speaker 1: It depends if you are living like in the places
Speaker 1: that tourists tourist goes to, like on the beach, they
Speaker 1: throw people, they throw people out, but they are not
Speaker 1: like harresting anybody or her as anybody. And in the
Speaker 1: place that I live living, there's there were no like
Speaker 1: situations and the police are pretty chill with the hippies.
Speaker 2: What is this place called again?
Speaker 1: Uh? I mean I am on Canary Islands, and on
Speaker 1: every every island there you can find like some hippie
Speaker 1: community and people living in the nature or in the
Speaker 1: case or anywhere else. But the biggest, biggest, biggest community
Speaker 1: is on Tenary.
Speaker 2: Islands tenor Refile. Oh okay, wow, interesting the Canary Islands
Speaker 2: Autonomous Community of Spain. Whoa, this place looks crazy.
Speaker 1: And also they have like two capitals on separate islands
Speaker 1: and they like I think they change like the capital
Speaker 1: every few years. It's weird.
Speaker 2: Interesting. So tener Reef is So you live on a
Speaker 2: cave in Tenerief.
Speaker 1: Pretty much?
Speaker 2: Wow, I'm looking at Google images of this ship. This
Speaker 2: is crazy and it's pretty much. You know what's funny
Speaker 2: is with I feel like there's got to be at
Speaker 2: least what I truly do predict at least one person
Speaker 2: listening to this podcast will fucking go visit Tennery.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, because.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1: I met a guy from the US just like maybe
Speaker 1: a week ago, and he was like dressed in all
Speaker 1: the red in the devil costume, and he was talking
Speaker 1: some shit about Satanism, and he was pretty fucking cool.
Speaker 1: And he had like this what is called the fork there,
Speaker 1: big red fork with him and he was just walking around.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and I also I also knew the guy
Speaker 1: from New York that leaves pretty close to me, So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's pretty cool. It's pretty cool. You can
Speaker 1: leave a very low budget here, you can just hanger out,
Speaker 1: hang around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you've got you. At least one person will
Speaker 2: hear this podcast and be like, fucking I'm moving to Tannery.
Speaker 2: It's funny because you opened this phone if you'll remember,
Speaker 2: you open to this phone call by being like, Hey,
Speaker 2: does anyone want to come live in a cave with me? Which, upfront, upfront,
Speaker 2: with zero context, is a bit of a rough pitch,
Speaker 2: but I'll say, over the past forty five minutes, you
Speaker 2: have successfully pitched the concept of going to live in
Speaker 2: a cave with you, and I feel like at least
Speaker 2: a few people listening will take you up on the solfare. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of places like this where it's like
Speaker 2: the the cost of getting there is the highest cost,
Speaker 2: and then once you're there, you're just chilling because yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know, if you're like fucking if you're young,
Speaker 2: if you're I don't know, man, if you're young and
Speaker 2: broke and you wanna fucking do something interesting with your
Speaker 2: life before you dive into corporate whatever, you know, why
Speaker 2: not why not go live in a cave for a
Speaker 2: bit and hang out and meet weird people and you know,
Speaker 2: live a little.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's also a lot of people who are just
Speaker 1: like leaving the cave and like searching for a job
Speaker 1: here and actually working and saving money, and the rest
Speaker 1: of the day they are just spending on the beach
Speaker 1: and in the cave and it's from the trash or
Speaker 1: in like have their own community and foot together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I mean, yeah, folks are working there. You know,
Speaker 2: there are people there who are like working, saving money,
Speaker 2: still kind of building, still doing things to kind of
Speaker 2: prepare for their future. But also you know, eating from
Speaker 2: the trash and hanging out with folks. Pretty much, pretty cool,
Speaker 2: pretty cool cavemano Polish, cave man, Polish. Can I know
Speaker 2: you said you were stressed out, but this was a
Speaker 2: great phone call. I really appreciate you, uh, giving us
Speaker 2: all of your time, my friend, this was this was awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like I said this, this might inspire a lot of folks.
Speaker 2: So I appreciate you putting yourself out there. And you're
Speaker 2: so fucking young too, man, you gotta you have an
Speaker 2: interesting life ahead of you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a pretty cool It's a pretty cool start.
Speaker 1: I am very glad that I met a lot of
Speaker 1: like beautiful people that helped me out on my like
Speaker 1: puff and I'm pretty stoked about living.
Speaker 2: Caveman. Uh, is there anything else that you want to
Speaker 2: say about any of this, or that you want to
Speaker 2: talk about or any any final things before we go?
Speaker 1: I had a lot of topics in my mind to
Speaker 1: talk with you, but we like talk mostly about the caves.
Speaker 1: And I get it. It's a I'm living in a cave,
Speaker 1: so this is like a final goodbye? Or can I
Speaker 1: like say something more?
Speaker 2: Well, let's how long have we've been talking. We've been talking? Well,
Speaker 2: you know, honestly, we've been talking for forty seven minutes. Yeah,
Speaker 2: fuck it. I mean, if you if you have something else,
Speaker 2: we can we can keep going.
Speaker 1: M I mean, I want to, like because the living
Speaker 1: in a cave is one thing. And I want to
Speaker 1: kinda tell you what I'm thinking about doing next.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, let's do that. Why not? What do you
Speaker 2: think about doing next?
Speaker 1: So, first thing, when I'm gonna like return to something
Speaker 1: in the reef, I think I'm gonna go to festivals.
Speaker 1: And I was pretty inspired by the guy who I
Speaker 1: don't know that his is like Instagram profile what he's called,
Speaker 1: but he has something that that's called the Last Supper Project,
Speaker 1: and I was very inspired by that and I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about doing my own version of it. So basically, he
Speaker 1: suffers from a very strong bipolar disorder and he's gonna
Speaker 1: take his own life in from legal if if i'managia
Speaker 1: Autnasia and a lot of people like invite invite him
Speaker 1: from dinner for dinner, and he talks about like mental
Speaker 1: health and he loves food and he likes spread the
Speaker 1: spread awareness about depression and this whole process, and he
Speaker 1: also like holds dinners for people. Actually I cannot want.
Speaker 2: To hear I've actually heard of this guy. Yeah, I've
Speaker 2: heard of this guy. Yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he like I started to think a lot about
Speaker 1: like concept of death and taking your life if you
Speaker 1: like suffers. If you are suffering for like some like
Speaker 1: strong ship, you cannot live with it. And having like
Speaker 1: sharing a meal with someone and cooking for someone, it's
Speaker 1: a beautiful thing. And I'm thinking about if I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have my own place and I want to explore cooking,
Speaker 1: and I think I'm gonna like maybe do some posts
Speaker 1: on Facebook that I'm searching for people that that are
Speaker 1: lone or struggle with depression and cook them, cook them
Speaker 1: food and create like a safe space for them. And
Speaker 1: that's yeah, yeah, I really want to do that.
Speaker 2: That's a wonderful idea. I I love the idea. I
Speaker 2: really think you should do that, because you know, I
Speaker 2: was thinking, I'm like, uh, yeah, it's no fucking secret.
Speaker 2: I talk on this podcast a lot about the you know,
Speaker 2: being fucking depressed or whatever, and it's like, ah, there's
Speaker 2: so many other there's so there. I can think of
Speaker 2: like a thousand different things to try before killing yourself,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. There's so many different like, uh,
Speaker 2: there's so many different hail Mary's to throw before killing yourself.
Speaker 2: And that's all a take because you'll be in your
Speaker 2: because like I'll you know, whatever, you'll be in your
Speaker 2: room and you're like in your underwear, you're like depressed,
Speaker 2: or you're on your phone and you're like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: think I should fucking kill myself. And then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, you put on clothes and you're in a
Speaker 2: room with lights and you're around other people or whatever,
Speaker 2: and something switches in your brain and you're like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: I actually something I was. I was limited by my
Speaker 2: own brain in that moment. You know, I literally I
Speaker 2: was fogged out. I couldn't see. So of course that's
Speaker 2: I thought that was the only option, you know. So
Speaker 2: it's like, I think having something, have it because you
Speaker 2: could that, right, Because that's awesome, because like somebody could
Speaker 2: be in the fucking throes of darkness and then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden they, you know, go to your dinner
Speaker 2: and there's other people around, and they're like, oh shit, Okay,
Speaker 2: this doesn't have to be this way all the time.
Speaker 2: You know, that's all it takes. Every Now, I'm not
Speaker 2: going to say that's all it takes, because I don't
Speaker 2: think that's literally all it takes. But no, no, I
Speaker 2: don't think that's all it takes at all. But you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, I'm rambling a little bit, but
Speaker 2: I'm just kind of talking from my own experience.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love like you can talk about ship
Speaker 1: So I'm good.
Speaker 2: But I think I think that's a fucking great idea. Man,
Speaker 2: that's a great purpose to have.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. All right, So that was the one thing
Speaker 1: that I want to talk to and I think I'm
Speaker 1: pretty much finished. I just want to help people and
Speaker 1: make the world a little better place.
Speaker 2: My brother, my cave, my cave man. H this was
Speaker 2: a great phone call. I really appreciate you sharing all
Speaker 2: this stuff with us. I love that you're taking a
Speaker 2: problem that you have had and trying to find a
Speaker 2: way to help other people with the problem. I think
Speaker 2: that's pretty sweet. Yeah, you've definitely inspired some folks listening
Speaker 2: to this, I'm sure. And uh yeah, maybe I'll go
Speaker 2: visit the Canary Islands. I'm curious now, I want to
Speaker 2: go see some shit.
Speaker 1: Do you on to visit me? I'm gonna show you
Speaker 1: the islands and I do like a bit.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Well, you know, it's fun I feel like I
Speaker 2: have You know, what is funny is I have this
Speaker 2: whole I actually have a I have a list. Last
Speaker 2: year I made a little list on my phone. I
Speaker 2: like screenshoted a bunch of d MS that I got
Speaker 2: from people being like, Hey, come to Pakistan, or Hey
Speaker 2: come to Singapore, or hey come to whatever. I'll show
Speaker 2: you around because I've done that a couple of times.
Speaker 2: I did that in Thailand and Guatemala and Mexico and
Speaker 2: you know, uh, we had that break dancer guy who
Speaker 2: was like, Hey, come to Tijuana and you know, I'm
Speaker 2: chilling right now. But I don't know. Maybe one day
Speaker 2: I'll men.
Speaker 1: Imagine that we can host your show in the cave.
Speaker 2: Okay, that does sound pretty sweet. That does sound pretty sweet.
Speaker 2: Where can people look? Man? Do you have a where
Speaker 2: can people follow you on something? There's a couple of
Speaker 2: people in the twitch chat who wanted to follow Like,
Speaker 2: if people want to well, let's say this, right, let's
Speaker 2: say this. Let's say people want to follow you on
Speaker 2: your cave adventures. Let's say some random motherfucker listening to
Speaker 2: this podcast wants to take you up on your dinner
Speaker 2: for depressed people or living in the cave. If people
Speaker 2: want to connect with you, you don't. By the way,
Speaker 2: you don't. If you want to stay completely anonymous, I
Speaker 2: respect that you totally can. But if if, if, if
Speaker 2: you want to take the message.
Speaker 1: On the on the chat, if we gonna end this
Speaker 1: call and people can type me a message if they
Speaker 1: wanted to.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you don't wanna you don't want to put
Speaker 2: yourself out there to the podcast?
Speaker 5: Mm hmm what oh well, if people, I'm saying, if people,
Speaker 5: If people want to follow you or connect with you,
Speaker 5: if you want to give them an outlet to do that,
Speaker 5: you can.
Speaker 2: But if not, that's okay.
Speaker 1: No, I don't have any like I have my private
Speaker 1: account on Instagram, but I want to kind of stay.
Speaker 2: They stay around. I got you, I got you, I
Speaker 2: got you, I got you. Caveman, thank you very much
Speaker 2: for sharing your story with us. Any anything else before
Speaker 2: we go?
Speaker 1: Uh, I want to say to the people of the computer,
Speaker 1: if you are depressed and you are thinking about what
Speaker 1: is the purpose of living, just go and buy yourself
Speaker 1: ice cream and yeah, ice cream are pretty cool. They
Speaker 1: help help me with a lot of shit.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for calling cave Man. Have you
Speaker 2: the rest of the day.
Speaker 1: It's a while, Thank you, b y.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ice cream is pretty sweet. That was great. That
Speaker 2: was great. Uh. Yeah, I'm inspired. Now I want to
Speaker 2: go visit the fucking Tenor Reef Islands. I mean, why
Speaker 2: not why not visit the tenerif violence? Why not go
Speaker 2: live in a cave and talk to people? Why not
Speaker 2: do any of this stuff? I don't know. There's got
Speaker 2: there's guy I don't know why I almost threw up
Speaker 2: just now. Yeah, that's cool. If if I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's gotta at least somebody who's listening to this, who's like,
Speaker 2: you know what, fucking I'm gonna go to the teneriviolence.
Speaker 2: Maybe that maybe that's maybe I'm projecting, Maybe that's somebody
Speaker 2: is me. Maybe I gotta go live in the go
Speaker 2: live in a fucking cave and the tenoriviolence could be fun. Uh,
Speaker 2: thank you for calling cave man. And yeah, ice cream
Speaker 2: is good. Uh uh. Sometimes when I get depressed, I
Speaker 2: eat an orange creamsicle and it makes things at least
Speaker 2: five percent better. Hey, what's your name, Doug?
Speaker 3: We'll go with stinky.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't like the work. Can I can
Speaker 2: I call you something? I'm gonna I don't like. I
Speaker 2: hate saying stinky for some reason. It it it it
Speaker 2: puts me off. Can I call you something else?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 3: Or anything you want.
Speaker 2: I'll call you Steve. What's up, Steve, what's up?
Speaker 3: Man? We've a We've only talked one time prior, but
Speaker 3: it was on a TikTok video comments or whatever.
Speaker 2: We talked on TikTok video, cause that doesn't really sound
Speaker 2: like we had a conversation.
Speaker 3: Well, it's funny you brought up you don't like stinky
Speaker 3: because I use your name was like something something stinky
Speaker 3: and I said, love them the content, and you were like,
Speaker 3: thank stinky and.
Speaker 2: Then like I'm gonna go I'm gonna go ahead and
Speaker 2: say that does not count as a conversation. So this
Speaker 2: this would be the first time we're talking fair.
Speaker 3: Totally fair man. I'm pretty pumped. I've been listening to
Speaker 3: you for like, gosh, like four or five years now, dude,
Speaker 3: kick ass man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy. This summer it'll be five fucking years
Speaker 2: of the therapy. Gecko.
Speaker 3: You're looking good. By the way, Thanks, I say that,
Speaker 3: I checked the same. I don't usually watch live, but
Speaker 3: I did today because I have Thanks.
Speaker 2: Brother, Thank you brother. I'm down thirty pounds since I
Speaker 2: finished my tour last year. Sweet, so I'm trying to
Speaker 2: be less fat. Being fat it was not fun. I'm
Speaker 2: eighteen pounds away from my goal weight. I'm trying to
Speaker 2: be as skinny as I was before I started being
Speaker 2: the gecko. Uh so we're almost there. But enough about me.
Speaker 2: Who cares? What's up with you, Steve? What do you
Speaker 2: want to talk about today?
Speaker 3: Okay? I work in Atlanta, and I know you mentioned
Speaker 3: Atlanta sometimes, but I work with in the film industry
Speaker 3: and it's kind of a stressful industry to work in.
Speaker 2: Oh uh yeah. I worked on set in Atlanta for
Speaker 2: a summer and it was yeah, it's what are you
Speaker 2: a PA?
Speaker 3: So I kind of bounce between doing PA stuff, but
Speaker 3: I'm actually I am in the union now, so I
Speaker 3: am like a props assist, but I also dabble in
Speaker 3: a set deck as well.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, you probably work like eighty hours a.
Speaker 3: Week when I do work. Yes, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: I mean that's how it works down there, right, is
Speaker 2: you work like you'll work for like eighty hours a
Speaker 2: week for like a month, and then work like zero
Speaker 2: hours a week for like, you know, a few weeks,
Speaker 2: and then right It's like it's very like super on
Speaker 2: and super off.
Speaker 3: Isn't it very correct?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean it totally depends on whatever like production companies
Speaker 3: do and the gigs. Some gigs are done like a month,
Speaker 3: two months, some are done in six months. I know
Speaker 3: Stranger Things is on for like over a year plus,
Speaker 3: so that would be a nice gig to be Oh,
Speaker 3: but I've also heard that it gets a little crazy
Speaker 3: over there sometimes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, although I will say I kind of that method
Speaker 2: of working, I actually think is pretty I actually think
Speaker 2: that's a I mean, everyone's kind of different, right, but
Speaker 2: like that's kind of like a nice balance, right, because
Speaker 2: I would rather have like a short period of I
Speaker 2: would rather have like a period of time where like
Speaker 2: all I'm doing is working, and then a period of
Speaker 2: time where all I'm doing is not working, versus like
Speaker 2: working a little bit every single day, you know, because
Speaker 2: now because you can you feel like, I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't know, what do you like that lifestyle?
Speaker 3: It's and that's kind of like what I wanted to
Speaker 3: talk about, because like a lot of people want to
Speaker 3: get into the film industry for like total you know,
Speaker 3: understandable reasons. I think something that they don't really like
Speaker 3: acknowledge is that you don't work unless you have someone
Speaker 3: who can hire you two work and then that only Yeah,
Speaker 3: that only goes on for however long the actual gig is.
Speaker 3: But me personally, I don't mind working for like four
Speaker 3: or five months straight, maybe a little month or two
Speaker 3: off and then go back to work. But I just
Speaker 3: hopped off a project like last week. I've had a
Speaker 3: week off now and getting a little bored man, getting
Speaker 3: a little in my head. But I just got to
Speaker 3: know that things will be on the way soon.
Speaker 2: What are you in your head about?
Speaker 3: Uh, just because you know, like when you work for
Speaker 3: a month or a month or two or however long
Speaker 3: your project is, and then your gig's over, You're like, yeah,
Speaker 3: here's my last day. It was the last day I'll
Speaker 3: be working, and then not knowing when something else is
Speaker 3: going to come in. You're like, I might not be
Speaker 3: working for two weeks, might not be working for two months.
Speaker 3: And then with the strike that happened like a year
Speaker 3: or so ago, like most people didn't work for like
Speaker 3: six months, which.
Speaker 2: Is yeah, pretty tough. I mean that is the nature
Speaker 2: of the film industry, right ye is you have no
Speaker 2: idea when your next gig is going to be. I
Speaker 2: guess that's the nature of like freelance work in general.
Speaker 1: Yep, exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean when you when you are on set,
Speaker 2: do you like it or is it? Is it crazy?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 1: I love it?
Speaker 3: Being on set is super fun. I knew I wanted
Speaker 3: to be in the movies when I was like six
Speaker 3: or so. Maybe not like the in them, but you know,
Speaker 3: have something to do with the creation of them. And
Speaker 3: so whenever I got my first gig as a PA,
Speaker 3: which was in Props, I got super lucky with getting
Speaker 3: to have on set experience with that, and oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: it's so fun getting to work with everyone and just
Speaker 3: seeing how these like huge budgeted shows and movies get
Speaker 3: made is really it's amazing. And it's also like, holy fuck,
Speaker 3: we spend a lot of money, Like so much money, dude.
Speaker 2: It's really insane how I feel like I have these
Speaker 2: kinds of inside baseball conversations about like movie shit on
Speaker 2: the podcast A Bunch, but I do like having them.
Speaker 2: It's insane how much fucking money it costs to make
Speaker 2: TV shows and movies. And I always for for like,
Speaker 2: like fucking I used to work on this set of uh,
Speaker 2: who cares about this? I used to work on the
Speaker 2: set of like an adult swim show that aired at
Speaker 2: like four o'clock in the morning that people, I don't
Speaker 2: think it had a lot of viewers. And I was
Speaker 2: talking to somebody like who worked in like the production office,
Speaker 2: and they mentioned that a season of this show cost
Speaker 2: four million dollars to make. And I'm like, and you
Speaker 2: know the crazy thing, And you know this, four million
Speaker 2: dollars in film and television universe is not that much money.
Speaker 3: It is not a lot.
Speaker 2: No, it's not a lot of money, which is crazy
Speaker 2: because in real life, four million dollars is a fucking
Speaker 2: shit ton of money.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's a life four million dollars.
Speaker 2: Saying amount of You can do so many things for
Speaker 2: four million dollars, and then for some somehow they spend
Speaker 2: four million dollars to make a TV show that nobody watches.
Speaker 2: How the fuck is that a good financial investment? And
Speaker 2: yet the Hollywood is doing it, you know, I mean
Speaker 2: for four million how many Like if you if you're
Speaker 2: trying to make money, there's infinite better things you could
Speaker 2: do with four million dollars. Then make a season of
Speaker 2: a TV show that nobody's fucking watching.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, there's that. And then you have actually
Speaker 3: worked on laid the like second time it was getting made,
Speaker 3: and the amount of money that they put into that
Speaker 3: that hasn't even been released yet. Oh man, I couldn't
Speaker 3: even I don't even want to think about it.
Speaker 2: It's crazy shit, it's crazy shit. Well let's see here.
Speaker 2: What's your name Ago, Oh, Steve, Steve, Steve. Well, what
Speaker 2: have you been doing in your off time?
Speaker 3: In my off time? I'm going to sound like a nerd,
Speaker 3: but I three D print armor, like Mandalorian armor, like
Speaker 3: just on the side. So I've just been redesigning that,
Speaker 3: printing that out because it was working in props. It
Speaker 3: also does kind of helped just to have a little
Speaker 3: bit of a you know, background knowledge on how to
Speaker 3: put this together in case something happens on set. Yeah,
Speaker 3: just being good with your hands.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you three D print armor?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Is it? I I feel like we I mean, the material,
Speaker 2: the three D printing material is kind of crappy, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Oh well yeah, I mean I'm not trying to get
Speaker 3: shot with this, but you know, whenever I get a
Speaker 3: little high go to a convention, I feel pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Uh plastic Okay, so it's all plastic, like you're not
Speaker 2: This isn't like you're not You're not taking this into
Speaker 2: battle with you.
Speaker 3: No, but there are there are people out there that
Speaker 3: do make their armor with iron and they like hand
Speaker 3: hammer it and yeah that's impressive. I'm not there yet,
Speaker 3: but we'll see. You never know.
Speaker 2: Interesting, Well, what's your what's your dream? Steve? What do
Speaker 2: you want to do with your life before you die?
Speaker 3: Before I die?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 3: Pretty I guess I'm somewhat content with the job I
Speaker 3: have now, But I don't know. I guess, like everyone
Speaker 3: who would be nice just to be able to enjoy
Speaker 3: life and go out and travel more, because I guess,
Speaker 3: like a lot of people that I've been calling in
Speaker 3: and yourself included, to have the travel bug. I love
Speaker 3: going around the world seeing all the places I can.
Speaker 3: That dude he is talking about the Canary Islands was
Speaker 3: taking me think of the British version of islands again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the travel Bug's interesting. I think if
Speaker 2: you if it's something you've never done before, it's absolutely
Speaker 2: worth traveling as much as you can. And then I think,
Speaker 2: after a while, you know that fucking song where it's
Speaker 2: what has it go goes like I've all only one
Speaker 2: place left I want to go. He says, you can't
Speaker 2: you know whatever. I don't know why I'm singing that song,
Speaker 2: but yeah, the travel Bug is kind of Yeah. If
Speaker 2: you never travel before, you should definitely do it. I
Speaker 2: think at a certain point you realize life was always
Speaker 2: about I don't know, I guess the connections you make.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know why. I'm trying to
Speaker 2: be deep right now. I'm I'm I'm gonna let's let's
Speaker 2: talk about something else.
Speaker 3: They're good. You're carrying the conversation. I mean, I didn't
Speaker 3: have like too too much to talk about because I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I've just always been a big fan,
Speaker 3: and it's been insane watching your story, especially with you know,
Speaker 3: with Vice. Then I kicked off like a where we go?
Speaker 3: But no, you're totally carrying the conversation. And also the case.
Speaker 3: So Rito needs to be returned to Taco About the case.
Speaker 2: C Rito absolutely needs to be returned to Taco Bell.
Speaker 2: What else do they have they have recently? The French
Speaker 2: The talk about French fries pretty good. I don't know
Speaker 2: why I'm bringing that.
Speaker 3: No, no, they are. They're under raided for a fry.
Speaker 2: The packing peanut cinnamon things, I've been shipting on for
Speaker 2: a while, but they're also pretty good. Uh, they need
Speaker 2: to bring back the strawberry pink starburst freeze. That one's
Speaker 2: a classic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: Well, let's see, Steve. What's you You want to tell
Speaker 2: me a deep, dark secret before we go?
Speaker 3: Oh God, Okay, you're going to get pissed off from
Speaker 3: me saying this, but I do agree with it every
Speaker 3: time you might. I do agree with it when people
Speaker 3: say that your face should be read And I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: All right, Steve, Well I'll I'll talk to you later.
Speaker 1: See you, Li. I love you.
Speaker 2: Bye, Steve. Luck good good, good luck. Don't never die,
Speaker 2: Never die, Steve. One, I hung up on him. Well, now,
Speaker 2: I didn't really hang up on. The conversation was simply
Speaker 2: just over and then I hit the button. All right,
Speaker 2: one more that I'm out? Hello, Hello, Hi? What's your name?
Speaker 4: Hi? I'm Charlie.
Speaker 2: Charlie. What's going on? Charlie? How is life?
Speaker 4: Lyle? I think you already know. I think you get
Speaker 4: the vibe. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: I I don't I should I assume that's bad. That's bad.
Speaker 4: I guess so sorry. I'm also very nervous. I wasn't.
Speaker 4: I mean, everyone saved that, but I wasn't expecting to
Speaker 4: get through. But it's great to talk to you. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean things are okay. I'm twenty seven as well,
Speaker 4: so that's kind of where I'm at with life. I
Speaker 4: know that you're sort of in the same spot.
Speaker 2: H I am twenty seven. I am a twenty seven
Speaker 2: year old boy. Twenty seven is an interesting age. I
Speaker 2: feel like it's the age that you stop you know
Speaker 2: what I was going to say, It's the age you
Speaker 2: stop being able to consider yourself young. But I I
Speaker 2: the more I think, you know what, Oh, here's a
Speaker 2: crazy thing. Here's I saw this on Twitter and I
Speaker 2: agree with it. Twenty seven feels old, thirty one feels young.
Speaker 4: Ooh ooha.
Speaker 2: Isn't that a crazy one? Isn't that a crazy one?
Speaker 4: It kind of is, And I kind of I have
Speaker 4: some thoughts on that because I kind of think, you know,
Speaker 4: when we think of up to the age of thirty,
Speaker 4: I think we're kind of thinking about our childhood as well,
Speaker 4: right Like it's just this whole chunk of time of
Speaker 4: development where every single year it's something new, right Like
Speaker 4: you're getting to all our new friends, you're learning algebra
Speaker 4: or whatever. And so by the time you're like in
Speaker 4: your twenties, you've lived like a million lives, going through
Speaker 4: school and growing up and meeting people and like I
Speaker 4: don't know, becoming a furry or whatever. And then you're
Speaker 4: in your twenties like, Okay, well I'm an adult now.
Speaker 4: But I guess by the time you're twenty seven, I
Speaker 4: don't know. In my mind, that's almost like being ninety nine, right,
Speaker 4: Like you're at the end of this chunk of your life.
Speaker 4: Like twenty seven is just a really old child, but
Speaker 4: thirty one that's a baby adult. Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that. Twenty seven that's that kind of
Speaker 2: puts into words why thirty one feels younger than twenty seven,
Speaker 2: because twenty seven that's an old child. Thirty one that's
Speaker 2: a baby adult. So it's yeah, it's interesting you feel
Speaker 2: like you're at the end of a certain kind of
Speaker 2: uh life chapter, which is why it feels old, But
Speaker 2: thirty one it's like you're at the beginning of thirties. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's so it's interesting how we kind of contextualize time
Speaker 2: in that way.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I've been thinking a
Speaker 4: lot recently about how humans aren't even really meant to
Speaker 4: live this long. And I kind of think that has
Speaker 4: a big thing to do with it, Like, you know,
Speaker 4: because I just turned twenty seven in the middle of March,
Speaker 4: and I keep thinking like, damn, I'm so old. My
Speaker 4: brain is fully developed, and I don't know, it's just
Speaker 4: it's weird because then I think, okay, like a few
Speaker 4: billion or whatever. I don't know how old humanity is,
Speaker 4: but you know, when we were still like running around
Speaker 4: in the jungles or whatever, what, we were living till
Speaker 4: like fifteen, So I guess it kind of feels weird.
Speaker 2: Well, were we only living to fifteen?
Speaker 4: I don't know, probably, I mean that's some point in
Speaker 4: history we were definitely only living to fifteen, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably, or we were at least only living until
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, this is this is actually this
Speaker 2: is a good history question. I'm with you, though, I
Speaker 2: do sometimes I feel like like a mister me Seeks. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's that's a thought I've been It's a bit of
Speaker 2: a depressing thought, but that's a thought I've been having lately.
Speaker 2: Is I've been feeling like a mister me seeks. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I was not I don't know if I was meant
Speaker 2: to God. This is depressing. I don't like this line
Speaker 2: of thought. I don't think it's good.
Speaker 4: No, it's not depressing. It's just reality. I think we have.
Speaker 2: Well I don't. I don't. I don't think it is
Speaker 2: reality because I I think I was just talking about
Speaker 2: this on the podcast recently. I encounter a lot of
Speaker 2: people in their sixties and fifties and whatever who are
Speaker 2: like happy and enjoying life and doing things. You know,
Speaker 2: So I think to be twenty seven and go, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm dead, I wasn't supposed to. Let I'm done. I
Speaker 2: think that's I don't think that is reality. I think
Speaker 2: that's that's a that's a bad perspective to have. So
Speaker 2: I don't think it's to say it's reality is to
Speaker 2: say my bad perspective is the truth, which is you know,
Speaker 2: who the fuck does that help? Right? So I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't agree that it's reality. It's how I feel,
Speaker 2: but I have But I'm optimist. I try to be optimistic.
Speaker 2: I try to not. I don't want to feel that way.
Speaker 2: I am going to work actively to change my perspectives
Speaker 2: that I don't feel dead, so that I don't feel
Speaker 2: because look, dude, you're as old or as young as
Speaker 2: you say that you are, right, I mean, there's nothing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if if you want to walk around feeling like you're
Speaker 2: mister me Seeks and that you you're you pequed and whatever,
Speaker 2: then yeah, that becomes your reality. Reality, per There are
Speaker 2: certain things are objectively Reality is objective reality that we
Speaker 2: have both been alive for twenty seven years. But you know,
Speaker 2: a lot a lot of the ship around that is
Speaker 2: simply uh perspective. So I don't think that, yeo. So
Speaker 2: when you say it's reality that we are washed up,
Speaker 2: I think that's that's a fallacy because that's these these
Speaker 2: these things that we're claiming about ourselves are are just
Speaker 2: a matter of our own perspective, which I think we
Speaker 2: can change. This is me being optimistic, and I have
Speaker 2: no choice but to be optimistic, because if I'm not
Speaker 2: going to be optimistic, then I might as well just
Speaker 2: be mister me Siek's and I might as well, you know,
Speaker 2: fucking whatever. But so I'm choosing, maybe I'm choosing to
Speaker 2: be optimistic as in every situation that I have the
Speaker 2: energy to be optimistic.
Speaker 4: So yeah, yes, an optimism I feel as depressed as
Speaker 4: everyone may get at, you know, whatever time of their life,
Speaker 4: there's always going to have to be a degree of optimism,
Speaker 4: whether we're aware of it or not. Optimism or like
Speaker 4: the hope for change or the concept that there's something
Speaker 4: different out there right, whether we believe in it or not.
Speaker 4: You know, we wake up every day and feed ourselves
Speaker 4: and give ourselves water, whether we're happy about it or not,
Speaker 4: and happy about our lives or not. You know, even
Speaker 4: just going through the motions, I think is sort of
Speaker 4: it holds that degree of secret optimism, whether we're aware
Speaker 4: of it and embracing it or not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I guess. I guess that's true. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think that's true. I think that's true. I don't think
Speaker 2: we're washed up. I think we're I don't know. It's
Speaker 2: whatever you decide, it's whatever you fucking decide, And I
Speaker 2: don't know. I just don't. I wanna my my my
Speaker 2: goal for this year is to join the fucking living.
Speaker 2: You know. That's that's that's become my that's become my
Speaker 2: catchphrase or my modus operandi. However the fuck you phrase that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I want to join the living. I I'm tired of
Speaker 2: being fucking feeling insane all the time. You know, people
Speaker 2: do it, people figure out ways to join the living,
Speaker 2: and I'm I'm I'm doing it. I'm joining the living.
Speaker 2: I hope you joined the living too. It looks like
Speaker 2: they're having a good time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I mean again, I think it's just sort
Speaker 4: of being like in the middle to end of your twenties,
Speaker 4: where you're like, Okay, you know, this part of my
Speaker 4: life is over. What do I want to bring with
Speaker 4: me into the next part of my life? And like,
Speaker 4: what do I want the next part of my life
Speaker 4: to look like? Like I don't know, it's weird, and
Speaker 4: I don't think anyone ever really talks about it, But
Speaker 4: I feel like this is sort of, you know, the
Speaker 4: choke of age where we have to decide like, okay,
Speaker 4: like are we going to just like lay down and
Speaker 4: die or are we going to look at our lives
Speaker 4: and see which part of our lives we want to
Speaker 4: die and you know, what we want to feed into
Speaker 4: and become. And I think when it comes to like
Speaker 4: the concept of joining the living, it is really funny
Speaker 4: you say that because I'm kind of in the same
Speaker 4: position where a lot of my life I just did
Speaker 4: what I was supposed to go to school, you know whatever,
Speaker 4: and I never really got to live my life. I
Speaker 4: was just really focused on like doing what I was
Speaker 4: supposed to do. And so now I'm here, and I'm
Speaker 4: sort of at that crossroads of like, Okay, you know,
Speaker 4: do I want to pursue relationships. Do I want to
Speaker 4: get a higher education? Do I want to move to Norway?
Speaker 4: You know, It's just it's a tricky chunk of time
Speaker 4: to be alive in because we have so many options
Speaker 4: and we haven't really ever made this this funny choices
Speaker 4: or had this much autonomy for our lives because again,
Speaker 4: we're old children, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, I also think that's kind of a function
Speaker 2: of the modern world, is like we also, like I
Speaker 2: was thinking about that, I'm like addicted to Instagram. I'm
Speaker 2: trying to be less addicted to Instagram. And it's like, dude,
Speaker 2: a lot of people, you know, they get addicted. They
Speaker 2: I don't know why I'm saying that is if I'm
Speaker 2: not projecting, but like I'll wake up and I'll look
Speaker 2: at Instagram stories and it's like, what the fuck I'm
Speaker 2: waking up and immediately looking at everybody else's life and
Speaker 2: I'm looking on the Internet and I'm being exposed to
Speaker 2: the breadth of here. It's like, it's like basically, it's
Speaker 2: like heroes. All the lives that you could possibly be living,
Speaker 2: as told by everyone that you've ever met or connected with.
Speaker 2: And that's too much. That's not a thing that has
Speaker 2: ever been part of our human experience for as long
Speaker 2: as youhumans have been alive.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And it makes you compare yourself to other people. It
Speaker 2: just it just takes you. It rips you out of
Speaker 2: your fucking life in a way that I don't think
Speaker 2: humans have have ever experienced. So we we definitely, I
Speaker 2: think in the modern world, uh, I have to deal
Speaker 2: with a lot of those uh uh uh challenges. But also,
Speaker 2: you know, we also have a lot of opportunities because
Speaker 2: of the modern world. You know, I dress up like
Speaker 2: a fucking gecko and talk to strangers about ship. Because
Speaker 2: of the modern world, we have the opportunity to move
Speaker 2: to Norway and join a whatever the fuck thing because
Speaker 2: we found out about it on Instagram or the internet.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, it's it's I guess it's it all,
Speaker 2: It all that all fucking comes down to how you
Speaker 2: want to look at it, I suppose.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, And I mean, uh, there's something you just
Speaker 4: said which was, uh, you know, you wake up and
Speaker 4: immediately and I do the same thing, immediately just go
Speaker 4: on Instagram and look at other people's lives. But like,
Speaker 4: and I know, obviously I'm guilty of the same thing,
Speaker 4: but damn, it's you know, you wake up and immediately
Speaker 4: sort of clock out. It's like, did you even wake
Speaker 4: up at all? Like you may as well at that
Speaker 4: point still.
Speaker 2: Be dreaming, right, Yeah, yeah, God, I gotta get I
Speaker 2: gotta get off to fucking I hate the internet so much.
Speaker 2: I hate it. I fucking hate it. I hate it
Speaker 2: so much. I notice my I am a I am
Speaker 2: a little fucking rat boy. I'll like, uh, notice my
Speaker 2: body going on the computer, opening the computer, typing in
Speaker 2: r and then hitting enter to go on Reddit. And
Speaker 2: it's like I'm one of my dumbs like a mouse
Speaker 2: pulling a lever in and it's it's not it's it's
Speaker 2: every day, multiple times a day, and I'm like, what
Speaker 2: the fuck. I gotta I gotta, I gotta stop. I
Speaker 2: gotta deprogram myself. It's like, uh, sometimes I'm like, uh,
Speaker 2: I don't know the the problems are like writing fucking
Speaker 2: in front of me. I gotta, I gotta, I gotta
Speaker 2: deprogram myself from the craziness of the modern world. And
Speaker 2: then you go into Reddit and then everything on the
Speaker 2: reddit is like, here's what Trump is doing. And then
Speaker 2: some guy comments being like you know, uh, Trump get owned,
Speaker 2: and you're like, what are we? What are we? What
Speaker 2: are we doing here? We gotta go. We gotta Why
Speaker 2: don't we you know, plant to fucking learn to play guitar?
Speaker 2: I don't know something. We gotta do something. We can't
Speaker 2: just be looking at the fucking we I can't just
Speaker 2: be looking at what Elon Musk is doing all day.
Speaker 2: It's it's just ridiculous. It's fucking insane. Who cares?
Speaker 4: I mean, who cares?
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I mean no, who cares? Yeah? You know,
Speaker 2: it's not normal. It's not normal at all.
Speaker 4: Like this is not what we were made for, and
Speaker 4: like it is so tough because we as humans, like
Speaker 4: we're evolved, We we created this, right, we put ourselves
Speaker 4: in this machine of dopamine and money and made up concepts,
Speaker 4: and we stressed ourselves out over it. At the end
Speaker 4: of the day, like we're monkeys, We're monkeys.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 4: And you know, there's half of us that is human
Speaker 4: and intellectual and reasonable and you know whatever, and then
Speaker 4: there's the monkey ass that's just ooh Reddit, ooh ooh.
Speaker 4: Swiping on Instagram is so fun, but it's not fulfilling
Speaker 4: as a whole, right, Like it's you know, you know,
Speaker 4: like a little monkey part of your brain can just
Speaker 4: run around and play all day. But then the human
Speaker 4: part is like, Okay, well I need uh, I don't know,
Speaker 4: emotional stability and whatever. X y Z.
Speaker 2: Do you know what we should do, Charlie. We should
Speaker 2: go live in a cave.
Speaker 4: I've been thinking about it a lot. While I'm not
Speaker 4: joking that.
Speaker 2: Guy at the beginning, I think he had it right.
Speaker 2: He had it fucking right about living in a cave.
Speaker 2: He's got a he's got a private Instagram account, he
Speaker 2: probably has three followers, he has caves friends, he eats cheese.
Speaker 2: He's doing he's doing it pretty good. He's doing it
Speaker 2: pretty good. He's doing it pretty good. Or I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe you don't. Here's the thing. You
Speaker 2: don't have to go live in a cave on the
Speaker 2: Canary Islands. But maybe maybe there's a metaphorical version of
Speaker 2: living on a cave in the Canary Islands that you
Speaker 2: can just do from home. Whatever that looks like.
Speaker 4: You know, I really kind of think the because it's
Speaker 4: not a new idea, right, I feel like everybody forever
Speaker 4: has always been like, oh, I want to run away
Speaker 4: to a cave or the coast or or like a
Speaker 4: treathouse and have no responsibilities. But I mean that's exactly
Speaker 4: That's exactly it. Like, that's just us being human and
Speaker 4: wanting to return to what we're actually made for, which
Speaker 4: is just existing and having a fun little time.
Speaker 2: I think probably, Charlie, is there a Is there anything
Speaker 2: else you want to say to the people as the
Speaker 2: computer before we go?
Speaker 4: You know, I think the biggest thing that I want
Speaker 4: to say is just what I've already said, which is
Speaker 4: just it's important to remember that we're animals, you know,
Speaker 4: be nice to yourself, whoever you are, whatever you are,
Speaker 4: Like at the end of the day, we're just big,
Speaker 4: stupid monkeys and yeah, damn, like we're really just trying
Speaker 4: our best. It just be a be a good owner
Speaker 4: for the pet that you are to yourself.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 2: I like that, Thank you, thank you, Charlie, good luck,
Speaker 2: have a good rest of your.
Speaker 4: Life, Lyle. I'll miss you, bye.
Speaker 2: Charlie, Hie Yle. God damn it, I fucking I'm gonna
Speaker 2: do it. I'm gonna never look at Reddit or Twitter
Speaker 2: ever again. Mark my words, Mark my fucking words. People,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna never look at Reddit
Speaker 2: or Twitter ever again in my entire life. God damn it. Shit,
Speaker 2: it's like a heroin. I don't know why. You know.
Speaker 2: What sucks is that? Like a lot of my addictions,
Speaker 2: like I at least, like you know whatever, candy or
Speaker 2: getting high or watching porn or jerking oat like all
Speaker 2: that shit, like at least I like it, but like
Speaker 2: read it in Twitter, It's like I'm addicted to it
Speaker 2: and I don't like it. What the fuck is that?
Speaker 2: Those are the things that have to go? All right, whatever,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try my best. All right. Thank you for
Speaker 2: listening to the Therapy Getto podcast Thank you forever and
Speaker 2: always for listening to the Therapy get Goo podcasts. Good luck.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know if I have anything else
Speaker 2: to say. I'm not go I think I'm not good
Speaker 2: at the This was I think this was a great episode.
Speaker 2: I liked talking to the cave guy. I like talking
Speaker 2: to the film guy. I like to talking to Charlie.
Speaker 2: I think the middle of the I don't know, the
Speaker 2: ending of this podcast doesn't have to be good, all right.
Speaker 2: I don't think I I don't think I need to
Speaker 2: say anything of substance in this very moment because I
Speaker 2: think I over the core period of time that this podcast,
Speaker 2: this episode out, this hour and however many minute long
Speaker 2: episode was, I think things of substance were said in
Speaker 2: the middle. So I don't think that the end necessarily
Speaker 2: needs any substance to it. So I'm just gonna leave
Speaker 2: it like this, Okay, thank you very much. I'm gonna go. Uh,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go do nothing.
Speaker 1: Goes on the line taking your phone calls.
Speaker 5: Every nine he kept goes through his eyes as teaching
Speaker 5: him how to have your life, but he's not really
Speaker 5: an expert.