WEBVTT - The Subprime AI Crisis

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<v Speaker 1>Zone Media. Hello and welcome to Better Offline. I'm your

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<v Speaker 1>host and chief romance officer, ed Ze Tron. In the

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<v Speaker 1>last episode, I dug into the fundamental weaknesses and open

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<v Speaker 1>AI the supposed leader in the genital of AI boom,

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<v Speaker 1>and today I'm going to get into a much larger,

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<v Speaker 1>more systemic, more terminal problem and the signs that things

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<v Speaker 1>are really really falling apart. And as ever, I will

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<v Speaker 1>have links to everything I'm talking about in the episode notes,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know I'm not making it up, which one

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<v Speaker 1>person suggested I did once and it bothered me a

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<v Speaker 1>great deal. But back to the actual stuff. The problems

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<v Speaker 1>that open ai is facing are those faced by the

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<v Speaker 1>entire generative AI industry. One's born of their sole focused

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<v Speaker 1>on the transformer based architecture underlying large language models like

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<v Speaker 1>chat GPT open A issues besides the fact that they're

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<v Speaker 1>in a terrible business as discussed in the last episode,

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<v Speaker 1>is that generative AI, and by extension, the model GPT

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<v Speaker 1>in the product Chat GPT, doesn't really solve complex problems

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<v Speaker 1>that would justify the massive costs behind it. It is

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<v Speaker 1>these massive intractable challenges that are a result of these

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<v Speaker 1>models being probabilistic, meaning that they don't know anything. They're

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<v Speaker 1>just generating an answer based on maths and training data,

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<v Speaker 1>something that model developers are running out of at an

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<v Speaker 1>incredible pace. Hallucinations, which occur when models authoritatively state something

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<v Speaker 1>that isn't true, or, in the case of an image

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<v Speaker 1>or a video, makes something that just looks wrong. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they're impossible to resolve without new branches of maths, and

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<v Speaker 1>while you might be able to reduce or mitigate them,

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<v Speaker 1>their existence makes it hard for business critical applications to

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<v Speaker 1>truly rely on this kind of AI. I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>know if i'd call it an AI, but regardless, we

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<v Speaker 1>go forward, and even tech's most dominant players can't seem

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<v Speaker 1>to turn generative AI into any kind of real business line.

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<v Speaker 1>The Information reported in early September that customers of Micross

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<v Speaker 1>three sixty five Suite are barely adopting its AI powered

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<v Speaker 1>copilot products, with somewhere between zero point one percent and

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<v Speaker 1>one percent of the four hundred and forty million paying

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<v Speaker 1>people who pay for Microsoft three sixty five, which is

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<v Speaker 1>about thirty to fifty dollars a person, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>are willing to pay for AI, and just to be clear,

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<v Speaker 1>I muddied that little. It's thirty to fifty bucks per

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<v Speaker 1>person per head to add this stuff. I'll get into

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<v Speaker 1>it in a minute. One firm, according to the information,

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<v Speaker 1>was testing the AI features and was quoted as saying

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<v Speaker 1>that most people don't find it that valuable right now,

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<v Speaker 1>and others are saying that many businesses haven't seen breakthroughs

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<v Speaker 1>in productivity or other benefits, and that they're not sure

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<v Speaker 1>that they will. In an internal presentation provided to be

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<v Speaker 1>by a source, users of Microsoft SharePoint copilot complained that

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<v Speaker 1>Microsoft chatbot kept getting questions wrong, sometimes failing to provide

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<v Speaker 1>references even for correct answers, with another complaining that the

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<v Speaker 1>copilot was and I quote using content not connected as

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<v Speaker 1>a document resource to answer questions. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole point of share point is that it's your

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<v Speaker 1>data informing everything. I assume it was drawing from its

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<v Speaker 1>training data or perhaps the internet anyway, genuinely not useful.

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<v Speaker 1>And you'd think that with these new services that don't

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<v Speaker 1>seem that useful, that are questionably useful, that Microsoft would

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<v Speaker 1>be doing people a deal right wrong. How much is

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<v Speaker 1>Microsoft charging for these services? Thirty dollars a seat per

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<v Speaker 1>person on top of what you are already paying, are

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<v Speaker 1>as much as fifty dollars a month extra for specialist

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<v Speaker 1>products like co pilots for sales, Microsoft is effectively asking

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<v Speaker 1>customers to double their spend, and by the way, that's

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<v Speaker 1>with an annual commitment for products that don't seem to

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<v Speaker 1>be that helpful. And really, that is kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>state of generative AI, the literal leader and productivity in

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<v Speaker 1>business software, cannot seem to find a product that will

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<v Speaker 1>make people more productive and that they will then pay for.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's in part because the results are kind of mediocre,

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<v Speaker 1>and also that the costs are so burdensome that there's

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<v Speaker 1>no way for Microsoft to avoid charging a premium. And really,

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<v Speaker 1>if Microsoft needs to charge this much, it's either because

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<v Speaker 1>Sachin Adela is really desperate to hit half a trillion

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<v Speaker 1>dollars in revenue by twenty thirty, or that the costs

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<v Speaker 1>are too high to charge much less. Maybe it's a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of both. And this all only serves to

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<v Speaker 1>shed further light on just the mediocrity of generative AI

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<v Speaker 1>and how limited large language models are. And all of this,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, is existentially threatening to Open AI because

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<v Speaker 1>they've coasted to one hundred and fifty seven billion dollar valuation,

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<v Speaker 1>almost entirely based on hype. And so it's that company's

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<v Speaker 1>always tried to tell us that the future of AI

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<v Speaker 1>will blow us away, that the next generation of large

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<v Speaker 1>language models are eminent and they're going to be incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>And the artificial general intelligence, where machines can reason and

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<v Speaker 1>act beyond human capabilities, that's just around the corner. And

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, all of that is in part thanks

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<v Speaker 1>to the media sloping it down and just assuming that

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<v Speaker 1>they get it right. But until now that that's all

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<v Speaker 1>they've really had to do. But I think we're finally

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<v Speaker 1>getting the rubber meeting the road with this. I previously

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<v Speaker 1>said one of the pale horses of the AI apocalypse

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<v Speaker 1>is when a big stupid magic trick was necessary, a

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<v Speaker 1>product that someone shoves out the door in hopes it

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<v Speaker 1>will impress people and keep them believing in the magical future.

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<v Speaker 1>And you'd think that they'd have something really good right

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<v Speaker 1>now because open ai just raised all this money and

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<v Speaker 1>the practical applications just are obviously not there, except well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, no, no, no, no, this is open AI.

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<v Speaker 1>They wouldn't make a big, stupid mistake, would they. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things I always tell clients of mine

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<v Speaker 1>in pr is not to shove a product out the

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<v Speaker 1>door before it's ready, and to also make sure it's

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<v Speaker 1>really obvious why people should pay for it. Otherwise you're

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of launching something into the ether and hope

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<v Speaker 1>people will find a reason to sell it for you.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, that's exactly what they did. It happened. On

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<v Speaker 1>September twelfth. Open Ai launched OH one, which had been

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<v Speaker 1>code named Strawberry, with all of the excitement as a

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<v Speaker 1>trip to the Proctologist. Across a series of tweets, CEO

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<v Speaker 1>Samuel and described one as open ayes most capable and

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<v Speaker 1>aligned models, yet then immediately conceded that O one was

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<v Speaker 1>still flawed, still limited, and it still seems more impressive

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<v Speaker 1>on its first use than it does after you spend

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<v Speaker 1>more time with it. Oh my god, he admitted. He

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<v Speaker 1>then promised it would deliver more accurate results when performing

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<v Speaker 1>the kinds of activities where there's a definitive right answer,

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<v Speaker 1>like coding maths or answering science questions. One might think

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<v Speaker 1>that he'd walk in with I don't know, like a

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<v Speaker 1>product built on top of one or like an use

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<v Speaker 1>case or thing that would make the audience go, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I could build something with this. He didn't. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think he wants to try. I don't think he hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>had to try that hard. So far people have been

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<v Speaker 1>sloping down his slop happily. This boy may not have

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<v Speaker 1>any tricks left. But let's talk about how O one works.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm going to introduce you to a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>new concepts here, but I promise I won't get too

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<v Speaker 1>deep into the weeds. And I really want you to

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<v Speaker 1>know how these machines work. It's critical for critiquing these companies.

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<v Speaker 1>And the big way they take advantage of you is

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<v Speaker 1>that they claim all of this is black magic, that

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<v Speaker 1>you could never possibly understand it. You absolutely can. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you want their explanation, I'm going to have it

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<v Speaker 1>in the show notes. Okay. When presented with a problem,

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<v Speaker 1>OH one breaks it down into individual steps that hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>would lead to a correct answer in a process called

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<v Speaker 1>chain of thought. Again, these things are not thinking. They're

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<v Speaker 1>not thinking, but this is the term. It's also a

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<v Speaker 1>little easier if you think of OH one as two

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<v Speaker 1>parts of one model. On each step, one part of

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<v Speaker 1>the model applies something called reinforcement learning with the other one,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the model actually outputting things rewarded or punished

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<v Speaker 1>based on the perceived correctness of their progress. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is what is called reasoning, by the way, even though

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<v Speaker 1>it really doesn't match human reasoning at all, and then

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<v Speaker 1>based on the reward of the punishment, it generates a

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<v Speaker 1>final answer from this chain of thought consideration. This is

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<v Speaker 1>different to how other large language models work in the

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<v Speaker 1>sense that the model is generating outputs than actually looking

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<v Speaker 1>back at them then ignoring or approving what it thinks

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<v Speaker 1>are good steps to get to an answer, rather than

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<v Speaker 1>just generating one and saying here's the answer. This may

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<v Speaker 1>seem like a big breakthrough or even another step towards

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<v Speaker 1>artificial general intelligence, and it isn't, And you can tell

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<v Speaker 1>that by the fact that open ai opt to release

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<v Speaker 1>O one as its own standalone product rather than something

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<v Speaker 1>built into GPT. It's also telling that the examples demonstrated

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<v Speaker 1>by open AI, like maths and science problems, are the

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<v Speaker 1>ones where the answer can be known ahead of time

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<v Speaker 1>and a solution is either correct or false, thus allowing

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<v Speaker 1>the model to guide the chain of thought through each

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<v Speaker 1>step towards that answer, rather than actually having to produce

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<v Speaker 1>something where they might not necessarily be one. Open ai

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<v Speaker 1>didn't show the one model trying to tackle complex problems

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<v Speaker 1>such as high end mathematical equations or otherwise where the

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<v Speaker 1>solution isn't known in advance by its own admission. Open

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<v Speaker 1>AI has heard reports that one is actually more prone

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<v Speaker 1>to hallucinations than GPT four H, and the model is

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<v Speaker 1>less inclined to admit when it doesn't have the answer

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<v Speaker 1>to a question when compared to other previous models. This

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<v Speaker 1>is because despite there being a model that checks the

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<v Speaker 1>work of the model, the work checking part of the

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<v Speaker 1>model is still capable of hallucinations. It's kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>a kid being taught something by a teacher who just

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<v Speaker 1>occasionally gets things horribly wrong. That child, though they may

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<v Speaker 1>mostly get right answers, will learn bad things. Now, learning

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<v Speaker 1>here isn't really what's happening, but the output of the

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<v Speaker 1>end will be informed by a model that makes the loocinations.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, I don't know, got a town full of dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>You get a bunch of baboons in to get rid

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<v Speaker 1>of the dogs. The baboons succeed and getting rid of

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<v Speaker 1>the dogs Now you just got a bunch of baboons,

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<v Speaker 1>so you get in, aren't no robots? Robots destroy the baboons.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, you've got robots. If the robots are autonomous,

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<v Speaker 1>they start taking over the town. So they need to

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<v Speaker 1>find a bigger robot to take over the town from

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<v Speaker 1>the robots. Now you've just got an escalating problem where

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<v Speaker 1>things are only going to get worse. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>work open ai and that sounds accurate, please email me anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>According to open ai, OH one also, thanks to this

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<v Speaker 1>chain of thought process, feels more convincing to human users

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<v Speaker 1>because it provides more detailed answers, and thus people are

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<v Speaker 1>more inclined to trust the outputs even when they're completely wrong. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if you think I'm being overly hard on open ai,

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<v Speaker 1>consider the ways in which the company is marketed. One

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<v Speaker 1>open ai described O one's reinforcement training as thinking and

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<v Speaker 1>reasoning when it's making guesses and then guessing on the

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<v Speaker 1>correctness of these guesses at each step. Where the end

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<v Speaker 1>destination is often something that can be known in advance.

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<v Speaker 1>Generative AI does not know anything. These are still probabilistic models.

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<v Speaker 1>This thing is not thinking at all. There is no reasoning.

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<v Speaker 1>It's got a model, reading a model, giving a model

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<v Speaker 1>answers from it's a mess, and it's an insult to people,

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<v Speaker 1>actual human beings who, when they think, are acting based

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<v Speaker 1>on many, many complex factors, their experience, their knowledge, the

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge they've accumulated over years of experiences, their brain chemistry,

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<v Speaker 1>so on and so forth. Well, we may to guess

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<v Speaker 1>about the correctness of each thing we're guessing at, and

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<v Speaker 1>we may reason through a complex problem. All of this

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<v Speaker 1>is based on something concrete. When we get something wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>it's based on actual experience versus training data and probabilistic models.

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<v Speaker 1>This shit is not thinking at all, and by god

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<v Speaker 1>is it expensive. Pricing for one preview, which is the

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<v Speaker 1>first model, is fifteen dollars per million input tokens and

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen per million output tokens. In essence, it's three times

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<v Speaker 1>as expensive as their most expensive model GPT four O

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<v Speaker 1>for input and four times is expensive for output. And

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<v Speaker 1>then there's a hidden cost. Data scientist Max Wolf reported

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<v Speaker 1>the open ayes reasoning tokens the output it uses to

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<v Speaker 1>get you to the final answer where it says, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I need to find out the solution to this problem.

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<v Speaker 1>So here are the thirty steps I've gone through. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>those are actually generated using the most expensive tokens, the

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<v Speaker 1>output tokens. So the more it has to think, the

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<v Speaker 1>more expensive it gets. All of the things it generates

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<v Speaker 1>to consider an answer are also charged for, which means

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<v Speaker 1>the more complex it is, the more expensive it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be worse. Still, if you integrate this model, open

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<v Speaker 1>ai does not show you what it's reasoning. All of

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<v Speaker 1>that calculation happens in the background, and they still charge

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<v Speaker 1>you for it. You just don't know how much every

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<v Speaker 1>oh one step is charged to you in an indeterminate way,

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<v Speaker 1>and open ai claims that they can't show you because

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<v Speaker 1>of competitive reasons. Ugh, nasty company, really greasy and they're

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<v Speaker 1>still gonna burn Okay, okay, though it's different GPT four.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and it's really expensive. But is it better? Of

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<v Speaker 1>course it must be better, right, right? It sounds great.

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<v Speaker 1>It's thinking, right, it's reasoning right. No, No, it's not,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not. It's worse. This crap's worse. Let's talk about accuracy.

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<v Speaker 1>On how can news the reddit styles I owned by

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<v Speaker 1>am Horman's former alum y Combinator, one person complained about

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<v Speaker 1>O one hallucinating libraries and functions when presented with a

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<v Speaker 1>programming task, and making mistakes when asked questions where the

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<v Speaker 1>answer isn't readily available in the Internet. On Twitter, Henrik Nyberg,

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<v Speaker 1>a startup founder and former game developer, asked OH one

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<v Speaker 1>to write a Python program that multiplied two numbers, then

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<v Speaker 1>calculated the expected output of said program. While OH one

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<v Speaker 1>correctly wrote the code, although said code could have been

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<v Speaker 1>more succinct, the actual result was wildly incorrect. Karthig Cannon, himself,

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<v Speaker 1>a founder of an AI company, tried a programming task

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<v Speaker 1>on O one where it also hallucinated a non existent

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<v Speaker 1>command for the API he was using. Another person, Sashi Yanshin,

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<v Speaker 1>tried to play a game of chess with O one,

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<v Speaker 1>and it hallucinated an entire piece onto the board and

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<v Speaker 1>then it lost. And because I'm a little shit, I

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<v Speaker 1>also tried asking one to listen a number of states

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<v Speaker 1>with A in the name. After contemplating for eighteen seconds,

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<v Speaker 1>it provided the names of thirty seven states, including Mississippi,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the classic state with an A in it.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, there are thirty six states that have

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<v Speaker 1>in them, just in case you're curious. I then asked

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<v Speaker 1>for a list of states with the letter W in

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<v Speaker 1>the name, and then it sat and it thought for

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<v Speaker 1>eleven seconds, and then included North Carolina and North Dakota.

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<v Speaker 1>Great stuff. By the way, I also asked tho one

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<v Speaker 1>to count the number of times the letter R appears

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<v Speaker 1>in the word strawberry, which is the pre release code

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<v Speaker 1>name for this. It's said too, I would have hard

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<v Speaker 1>coded that one. Personally. You can't give me that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of joy now. Open AI claims that I one performs

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<v Speaker 1>similarly to PhD students on challenging benchmark tasks in physics, chemistry,

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<v Speaker 1>and biology, just not in geography, it seems, or basic

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<v Speaker 1>elementary level English, or maths or programming. Also, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>for the PhD listeners. I've met a few PhD people

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<v Speaker 1>who authoritatively state things that are completely untrue that they

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<v Speaker 1>know nothing about. This is not a broad stroke thing,

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<v Speaker 1>but I get the sense that it's true anyway. This

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<v Speaker 1>is I should know, the big stupid magic trick I

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<v Speaker 1>predicted in the past. Open AI is shoving strawberry out

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<v Speaker 1>the door as a means of proving to investors and

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<v Speaker 1>the greater public. But they've still got it that the

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<v Speaker 1>AI revolution is still here, that this thing is thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>and what they actually have is a clunky, on exciting

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<v Speaker 1>and expensive model that doesn't really seem to have any

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<v Speaker 1>measurable improvement. Okay, I'm sorry. It has a measurable improvement.

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<v Speaker 1>You can measure it on the weird rigged test they

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<v Speaker 1>do for all of these things. And the thing is,

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<v Speaker 1>at this point, you'd think that even Apple, when they

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<v Speaker 1>pulled together a new thing, even when they had the

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<v Speaker 1>first Apple Watch and it was not obvious why you

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<v Speaker 1>had to own it, they still had apps that were

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<v Speaker 1>connected to it. They still had things you could point

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<v Speaker 1>out and go, oh, that's cool, I've got four square

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<v Speaker 1>on this four square on there at the time. Nevertheless,

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<v Speaker 1>they had apps to show. I just feel like open

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<v Speaker 1>Ai has this deep contempt for Silicon Valley and for

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<v Speaker 1>the world at large. They don't even have it in

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<v Speaker 1>them to be like, Okay, we have this new model,

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<v Speaker 1>and here is the new thing we built with it,

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<v Speaker 1>and this thing does this and now you will see

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<v Speaker 1>how important this company is. Instead, we get this crap.

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<v Speaker 1>We just get this very boring crap. And sure, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure someone technical is going to email me and say, ed, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>chain thought reasoning. There are other companies that have been

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<v Speaker 1>doing it already. Anthropic already had something like this, and

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<v Speaker 1>even then they didn't do shit with it. Where's the product, man,

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<v Speaker 1>where's the thing I meant to care about? Why should

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<v Speaker 1>anybody give a shit about this? Well, sam Altman is

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<v Speaker 1>likely trying to trump up the reasoning abilities of O one. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>people you know, such as the people bankrolling him, will

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<v Speaker 1>actually see he's a ten to twenty second waiting time

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<v Speaker 1>for an answer which may or may not be correct.

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<v Speaker 1>But you have a bit more detail, which isn't even

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<v Speaker 1>the reasoning happening because open AI hides that bit. Nobody

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<v Speaker 1>gives a shit about better answers anymore. They want generative

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<v Speaker 1>AI to do something new, and I don't think the

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<v Speaker 1>open AI has any idea how to make that happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Sam Orman's limp shitty attempts to anthropomorphize I one by

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<v Speaker 1>making it think can use reasoning obvious attempts to suggest

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<v Speaker 1>that this is on how part of the path through AGI.

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<v Speaker 1>But even the most staunch AI advocates, well, they can't

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<v Speaker 1>seem to get excited about this. In fact, I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of argue that O one shows that open AI is

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<v Speaker 1>desperate and out of ideas. Now if you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>any ideas, though, the following advertisements will be more than

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<v Speaker 1>happy to fill your empty little brain with new ideas

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<v Speaker 1>that involve giving someone money or downloading something. And I

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<v Speaker 1>must implore you to just accept everything that follows. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't endorse any of it because I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be, but you must. And we're back.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think now is a good time to get

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<v Speaker 1>back to the root of the generative AI problem. Generative

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<v Speaker 1>AI is being sold to you on multiple lives that

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<v Speaker 1>it's AI, it's actually artificial intelligence, it's going to get better,

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<v Speaker 1>that this will become artificial general intelligence, that this will

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<v Speaker 1>become the thinking computer, and all of this is inevitable.

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<v Speaker 1>Putting aside terms like performance, as they're largely us as

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<v Speaker 1>a means of generating things accurately or faster, rather than

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<v Speaker 1>being good at anything. Large language models have effectively platowed

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<v Speaker 1>more powerful never seems to mean does more, and more

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<v Speaker 1>powerful often means more expensive to run or more expensive

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<v Speaker 1>for you as the user to access, meaning that you've

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<v Speaker 1>just made something that doesn't do more and does cost

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<v Speaker 1>more to run. If the combined forces of every venture

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<v Speaker 1>capitalist and big tech hyperscaler have yet to come up

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<v Speaker 1>with a meaningful use case that lots of people will

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<v Speaker 1>actually pay for. I just don't see one coming. Large

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<v Speaker 1>language models and yes, that's where all of these billions

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<v Speaker 1>of dollars are going. Are not going to magically sprout

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<v Speaker 1>new capabilities a big Tech and open Ai burn another

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and fifty billion dollars. And yes that number

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<v Speaker 1>isn't hyperbole. It's actually pretty close to the amount being

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<v Speaker 1>plowed into these companies when you include things like investments

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<v Speaker 1>in companies like Anthropic and open Ai. And they're genuinely

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<v Speaker 1>and sane amount of capex from the likes of Google,

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon and Microsoft going into expanding data centers and buying GPUs.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody seems to be trying to make these things more efficient,

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<v Speaker 1>or at the very least nobody's succeeded in doing so,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think if they had, they'd be shouting it

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<v Speaker 1>from the rooftops and as on the side. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest sign that no one's actually making money from

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<v Speaker 1>this is that no one's talking about how much money

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<v Speaker 1>they're making. Microsoft and all of these companies they love

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<v Speaker 1>talking about making profit. They love doing that. Beyond earnings.

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<v Speaker 1>They love talking about it instead whenever they're asked to go, oh, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I will do some things in the future, I need

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<v Speaker 1>to take a phone CALLT and then they kind of

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<v Speaker 1>disappear from the room. Amy heard CFO of Microsoft classic

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<v Speaker 1>bullshit artists dancing around Yeah, oh net revenue increase checking

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<v Speaker 1>a watch. It's just really sad. It's really sad because

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<v Speaker 1>what we have here is a shared delusion, a shared

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<v Speaker 1>delusion about a dead end technology that runs on copyright theft,

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<v Speaker 1>one that requires a CONTINUALUS supply of capital to keep

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<v Speaker 1>running as it provides services that are at best in

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<v Speaker 1>essential sold to US dressed up as a kind of

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<v Speaker 1>automation that does not exist, and it doesn't provide, costing

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<v Speaker 1>billions and millions of dollars and continuing to do so

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<v Speaker 1>im perpetuity. Generative AI doesn't run on money or cloud

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<v Speaker 1>credit so much as it does on faith. And the

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<v Speaker 1>problem is that faith, like investor capital, is actually a

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<v Speaker 1>finite resource. And that's where I bring you one of

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<v Speaker 1>my biggest anxieties about this industry, because I think we're

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<v Speaker 1>in the midst of a SUBPRIMEI crisis where thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>companies have integrated this stuff into their software at prices

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<v Speaker 1>that are far from stable and even further from profitable

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<v Speaker 1>for the services providing them. This concern, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't unfounded. At the latest open ai dev Day, they

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<v Speaker 1>said that they'd slash prices for their APIs by ninety

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<v Speaker 1>nine percent over the previous two years, largely as tech crunchies.

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<v Speaker 1>MAXT theorized due to price pressure from Meta and Google,

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<v Speaker 1>both of whom want to take that API access for

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<v Speaker 1>I assume some reason. Anyway, almost every AI powered startup

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<v Speaker 1>uses large language model features is based on some combination

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<v Speaker 1>of GPT or chlaud so open Ai or Anthropics models.

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<v Speaker 1>These models are built by two companies that are deeply unprofitable.

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<v Speaker 1>Open Ai they can lose five billion this year, Anthropic

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<v Speaker 1>is on course to lose two point seven billion this

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<v Speaker 1>year on much less revenue, and they all have pricing

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<v Speaker 1>design to get more customers through the door than make

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<v Speaker 1>any kind of profit. Open Ai, as mentioned, is subsidized

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<v Speaker 1>by Microsoft, both in cloud credits they received in the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three investment and the preferential pricing Microsoft offers

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<v Speaker 1>for their cloud services about a quarter of the price

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<v Speaker 1>of what everyone else pays. And these companies willow open

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<v Speaker 1>Ai and Anthropic. Their pricing is entirely dependent on the

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<v Speaker 1>support of big tech in the case of open ai,

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<v Speaker 1>Microsoft's continued support. In the case of Anthropic, Amazon and

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<v Speaker 1>Google both as investors and service providers. Based on how

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<v Speaker 1>unprofitable these companies are. I hypothesized that if open ai

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<v Speaker 1>or Anthropic charge prices closer to their actual costs, they'll

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<v Speaker 1>be a ten to one hundred times increase in the

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<v Speaker 1>price of API calls, though it's impossible to say how

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<v Speaker 1>much without the actual numbers of direct burn from these companies. However,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's consider for a moment that the numbers reported by

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<v Speaker 1>the Information Estimate the open AI's server costs with Microsoft

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<v Speaker 1>will be four billion dollars in twenty twenty four, which

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<v Speaker 1>I add are over two and a half times cheaper

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<v Speaker 1>than what Microsoft charges others. It's like about four dollars

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<v Speaker 1>in something and they pay them out a dollar something

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<v Speaker 1>per GP per hour. And then consider, after knowing that

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<v Speaker 1>they're getting this massive discount, that open ai still loses

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<v Speaker 1>over five billion dollars a year. Open ai is more

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<v Speaker 1>than likely charging only a small percentage of what it

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<v Speaker 1>likely costs to run its models, and can only continue

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<v Speaker 1>to do so if it's able to continually raise more

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<v Speaker 1>venture funding than has ever been raised ever and continue

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<v Speaker 1>to receive preferential pricing from Microsoft, a company that recently

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned that it considers open Ai a competitor and has

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<v Speaker 1>complete access to its IP and research. While I can't

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<v Speaker 1>say for certain, I would think it's reasonable to believe

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<v Speaker 1>that Anthropic receives a similarly preferential pricing package from both

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon Web Services and Google Cloud. Both of those companies,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, put billions into them. Assuming that Microsoft

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<v Speaker 1>gave open ai ten billion dollars of cloud credits and

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<v Speaker 1>it spent four billion on server costs and let's say

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<v Speaker 1>two three billion dollars on training costs, that are both

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<v Speaker 1>short to increase. With new models, open Ai will either

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<v Speaker 1>need more credits will have to pay actual cash to

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<v Speaker 1>Microsoft sometime in twenty twenty five, and Microsoft did participate

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<v Speaker 1>in the latest round, by the way, but it's not

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<v Speaker 1>obvious how much, and it was much less than last time,

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<v Speaker 1>which was I believe ten billion, mostly in cloud credits.

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<v Speaker 1>While it might be possible that Microsoft, Amazon and Google

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<v Speaker 1>extend their preferred pricing indefinitely, the question is whether these

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<v Speaker 1>transactions are profitable for them in any way. As we

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<v Speaker 1>saw following Microsoft's most recent quarterly earnings, there's growing investor

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<v Speaker 1>concern over how capex is being spent and the amount

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<v Speaker 1>that's being required to build the infrastructure for generative AI,

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<v Speaker 1>with many voicing skepticism about the potential profitability of the technology,

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<v Speaker 1>including Jim Cavello of Gold and Sex. And what we

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<v Speaker 1>really don't know is how on profit generative AIS for hyperscalers,

0:24:02.119 --> 0:24:04.760
<v Speaker 1>because they baked those costs into other parts of their ownings.

0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:07.439
<v Speaker 1>What we can't know for sure, I imagine this stuff

0:24:07.480 --> 0:24:10.120
<v Speaker 1>is if this stuff was in any way profitable, they'd

0:24:10.119 --> 0:24:12.880
<v Speaker 1>be talking about it all the time. They would never

0:24:12.920 --> 0:24:15.879
<v Speaker 1>shut up. This would be their new golden goose, and

0:24:15.920 --> 0:24:18.720
<v Speaker 1>they're not. In fact, the most concrete information we have

0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:21.400
<v Speaker 1>about open AI's balance sheet comes from leaked reports, well

0:24:21.440 --> 0:24:23.920
<v Speaker 1>sourced reporters at places like The New York Times, and

0:24:23.960 --> 0:24:27.080
<v Speaker 1>the information and invested prospectuses that found a wider audience

0:24:27.080 --> 0:24:30.520
<v Speaker 1>than Altman perhaps would have liked. So you may remember

0:24:30.520 --> 0:24:32.400
<v Speaker 1>from a few months ago that the markets have become

0:24:32.440 --> 0:24:35.320
<v Speaker 1>a little skeptical of the generative AI boom and Nvidia

0:24:35.520 --> 0:24:38.520
<v Speaker 1>CEO Jensen Huang had no real answers about AI's return

0:24:38.560 --> 0:24:41.639
<v Speaker 1>and investment from his latest earnings, which led to a

0:24:41.840 --> 0:24:44.480
<v Speaker 1>historic two hundred and seventy nine billion dollar drop in

0:24:44.600 --> 0:24:47.680
<v Speaker 1>Nvidia's market cap in a single day. This, by the way,

0:24:47.760 --> 0:24:50.720
<v Speaker 1>was the largest route in US market histories. The total

0:24:50.800 --> 0:24:53.960
<v Speaker 1>value lost is equivalent of nearly five Layman Brothers Its

0:24:54.000 --> 0:24:57.240
<v Speaker 1>peak value. They've recovered some of it, but nevertheless, that's

0:24:57.280 --> 0:24:59.440
<v Speaker 1>what we in the business called are not so good.

0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:02.800
<v Speaker 1>At the beginning of August, Microsoft, Amazon, and Google all

0:25:02.800 --> 0:25:04.919
<v Speaker 1>took a similar beating for the markets for their massive

0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:07.719
<v Speaker 1>capital expenditures related to AI, and all three of them

0:25:07.720 --> 0:25:09.920
<v Speaker 1>will face the wheel next quarter in a couple weeks

0:25:09.920 --> 0:25:12.280
<v Speaker 1>in fact, if they can't show a significant increase in

0:25:12.280 --> 0:25:14.439
<v Speaker 1>revenue from the combined one hundred and fifty billion or

0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:17.080
<v Speaker 1>more in capex that they put into new data centers

0:25:17.080 --> 0:25:20.639
<v Speaker 1>in the Nvidio GPUs. What's important to remember here is

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<v Speaker 1>that other than AI, bigtech really doesn't have any other ideas.

0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:26.919
<v Speaker 1>There are no more hypergrowth markets left, and as firms

0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:29.840
<v Speaker 1>like Microsoft and Amazon begin to show signs of declining growth,

0:25:29.960 --> 0:25:32.159
<v Speaker 1>so too does their desperation to show the markets that

0:25:32.160 --> 0:25:35.960
<v Speaker 1>they've still got it. Google, a company almost entirely sustained

0:25:35.960 --> 0:25:39.040
<v Speaker 1>by multiple at risk monopolies in search and advertising, also

0:25:39.119 --> 0:25:40.960
<v Speaker 1>needs something new and sexy to wave in front of

0:25:40.960 --> 0:25:43.680
<v Speaker 1>the street. Except none of this is working because the

0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:46.040
<v Speaker 1>products aren't that useful, and it appears most of its

0:25:46.080 --> 0:25:49.320
<v Speaker 1>revenue comes from companies trying out AI and then realizing

0:25:49.359 --> 0:25:52.359
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't worth it. And if you think back to

0:25:52.400 --> 0:25:55.040
<v Speaker 1>what I was saying about open aised cloud costs, they're

0:25:55.080 --> 0:25:59.119
<v Speaker 1>making what eight hundred to a billion on this? How

0:25:59.200 --> 0:26:03.080
<v Speaker 1>much does Google make? Probably much less considering their multiple

0:26:03.119 --> 0:26:06.359
<v Speaker 1>stories about people not really caring about Gemini. But at

0:26:06.359 --> 0:26:09.840
<v Speaker 1>this point there are really two eventualities. Big Tech realizes

0:26:09.880 --> 0:26:12.080
<v Speaker 1>that they've gotten in way too deep in this, and

0:26:12.160 --> 0:26:13.960
<v Speaker 1>out of the deep fear of pissing off the street,

0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:17.679
<v Speaker 1>chooses to reduce capital expenditures related to AI, or the

0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:20.480
<v Speaker 1>second one, Big Tech, desperate to find a new growth hog,

0:26:20.800 --> 0:26:24.520
<v Speaker 1>decides instead to cut costs to sustain their stupid fucking ideas,

0:26:24.840 --> 0:26:27.760
<v Speaker 1>laying off workers and reallocating capital from other operations as

0:26:27.800 --> 0:26:31.840
<v Speaker 1>a means of sustaining this death march nowhere, it's unclear

0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:34.960
<v Speaker 1>which will happen if Big Tech accepts that generative AI

0:26:35.040 --> 0:26:37.120
<v Speaker 1>is in the future. I don't really have anything else

0:26:37.160 --> 0:26:39.400
<v Speaker 1>to waive at Wall Street, but they could do their

0:26:39.400 --> 0:26:42.199
<v Speaker 1>own version of from twenty twenty two. Meta did this

0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Year of Efficiency thing, which involved reducing capital expenditures and

0:26:46.040 --> 0:26:49.159
<v Speaker 1>laying off thousands of people while also promising to slow

0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:52.720
<v Speaker 1>down a little with investment. This, by the way, is

0:26:52.720 --> 0:26:55.160
<v Speaker 1>the most likely path for Amazon and Google, who, while

0:26:55.200 --> 0:26:57.520
<v Speaker 1>desperate to make Wall Street happy, they still kind of

0:26:57.600 --> 0:27:02.800
<v Speaker 1>have their profitable monopolies now at least. Nevertheless, there really

0:27:02.840 --> 0:27:05.200
<v Speaker 1>needs to be some kind of revenue growth from AI

0:27:05.240 --> 0:27:07.520
<v Speaker 1>in the next few quarters. That has to be material.

0:27:07.920 --> 0:27:09.840
<v Speaker 1>It can't just be this thing about AI being a

0:27:09.880 --> 0:27:13.920
<v Speaker 1>maturing market or how annualized run rates have improved, and

0:27:13.960 --> 0:27:17.720
<v Speaker 1>said material contribution will have to be magnitudes higher if

0:27:17.760 --> 0:27:20.520
<v Speaker 1>capex has increased along with it. I just don't think

0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:23.760
<v Speaker 1>it's going to be there, whether it's Q four twenty

0:27:23.800 --> 0:27:26.040
<v Speaker 1>twenty four or Q one twenty twenty five, or maybe

0:27:26.080 --> 0:27:28.680
<v Speaker 1>a little later. Wall Street's going to punish big tech

0:27:28.760 --> 0:27:31.960
<v Speaker 1>for this the sin of lust, and the punishment is

0:27:31.960 --> 0:27:34.480
<v Speaker 1>going to be to savage these companies, even more harshly

0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:38.920
<v Speaker 1>than Nvidia, which, despite Jensen Huang's bluster and empty platitudes

0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:41.679
<v Speaker 1>is pretty much the only company that's actually making money

0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:44.200
<v Speaker 1>on AI, and that's because you do need their chips

0:27:44.200 --> 0:27:47.480
<v Speaker 1>to do all this. But I worry more than anything

0:27:47.560 --> 0:27:51.600
<v Speaker 1>that option two is more possible. I think these companies

0:27:51.600 --> 0:27:54.200
<v Speaker 1>are really capable of committing to AI as the future

0:27:54.359 --> 0:27:56.919
<v Speaker 1>and the cultures are so disconnected from the creation of

0:27:57.000 --> 0:28:01.000
<v Speaker 1>actual value or like software or solving problems that actual

0:28:01.000 --> 0:28:04.440
<v Speaker 1>people face, that they're willingly start laying people off if

0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:08.720
<v Speaker 1>it means bankrolling these operations. I really really worry about that.

0:28:08.840 --> 0:28:11.120
<v Speaker 1>By the way, the mass layoffs that could come from

0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:13.600
<v Speaker 1>this will be horrifying, because otherwise it's just going to

0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:16.480
<v Speaker 1>be feeding profit into this, and at this point they're

0:28:16.480 --> 0:28:20.240
<v Speaker 1>feeding in pretty much all their profits. And all of this,

0:28:20.320 --> 0:28:22.160
<v Speaker 1>by the way, could have been stopped if the media

0:28:22.200 --> 0:28:25.280
<v Speaker 1>had actually held the leaders of tech companies accountable. This

0:28:25.400 --> 0:28:28.360
<v Speaker 1>narrative was sold through the same con as the previous

0:28:28.440 --> 0:28:31.160
<v Speaker 1>hype cycles, and the media assumed that these companies would

0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:32.879
<v Speaker 1>just work it out like they did with crypto and

0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:35.720
<v Speaker 1>the metaverse, despite the fact that it was blatantly obvious

0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:38.800
<v Speaker 1>that they wouldn't work this out. You think I'm a duma, Well,

0:28:38.840 --> 0:28:42.440
<v Speaker 1>ask to me this, what's the plan, what does generative

0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:45.720
<v Speaker 1>AI do next? If your answer is that they'll work

0:28:45.760 --> 0:28:47.760
<v Speaker 1>it out or that they have something behind the scenes

0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:52.640
<v Speaker 1>that is incredible, you're an absolute mark. You're a participant

0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:56.840
<v Speaker 1>in a marketing scheme. It's time to wake up. It

0:28:56.960 --> 0:28:59.400
<v Speaker 1>is time to wake up to how stupid this is.

0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:02.920
<v Speaker 1>And I'm sure some of you will say, oh, oh,

0:29:03.000 --> 0:29:05.360
<v Speaker 1>you're going to look so stupid in six months. People

0:29:05.360 --> 0:29:07.320
<v Speaker 1>were telling me that six months ago. And I still

0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:09.280
<v Speaker 1>don't look stupid other than the ways they do, and

0:29:09.280 --> 0:29:13.000
<v Speaker 1>they're unrelated to the podcast. But let's get back to

0:29:13.040 --> 0:29:15.640
<v Speaker 1>the real problem, and let's get back to the really

0:29:15.680 --> 0:29:19.200
<v Speaker 1>worrying stuff, because I believe that the very least Microsoft

0:29:19.280 --> 0:29:22.080
<v Speaker 1>will begin reducing costs in other areas of its business

0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:24.800
<v Speaker 1>as a means of sustaining the AI boom. In an

0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:27.040
<v Speaker 1>email shared with me by a source from earlier this year,

0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:30.040
<v Speaker 1>Microsoft's senior leadership team requested in a plan that was

0:29:30.120 --> 0:29:34.640
<v Speaker 1>eventually scrapped, reducing power requirements from multiple areas within the

0:29:34.680 --> 0:29:37.400
<v Speaker 1>company as a means of freeing up power for GPUs,

0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:40.760
<v Speaker 1>including moving other services compute to other countries as a

0:29:40.760 --> 0:29:44.800
<v Speaker 1>means of freeing upseid capacity, specifically for AI. On the

0:29:44.840 --> 0:29:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Microsoft section of anonymous social network Blind, where you're required

0:29:47.880 --> 0:29:49.640
<v Speaker 1>to verify that you have a corporate email of the

0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:52.959
<v Speaker 1>company in question. One Microsoft worker complained in mid December

0:29:53.000 --> 0:29:56.520
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three that AI was taking their money, saying

0:29:56.520 --> 0:29:58.800
<v Speaker 1>that the cost of AI is so much that it

0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:01.160
<v Speaker 1>is eating up pay raises and that things will not

0:30:01.200 --> 0:30:04.760
<v Speaker 1>get better. In mid July twenty twenty four, another shared

0:30:04.800 --> 0:30:06.720
<v Speaker 1>their anxiety about how it was apparent to them that

0:30:06.720 --> 0:30:09.600
<v Speaker 1>Microsoft had and I quote a borderline addiction to cut

0:30:09.640 --> 0:30:11.760
<v Speaker 1>costs in order to fund in Video's stock price with

0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:14.520
<v Speaker 1>operational cash flows, and that doing so had and I

0:30:14.640 --> 0:30:19.080
<v Speaker 1>quote damaged Microsoft's culture deeply. Another added that they believe

0:30:19.120 --> 0:30:22.600
<v Speaker 1>that copilot is going to ruin Microsoft's FY twenty five,

0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:24.840
<v Speaker 1>referring of course to their financial year twenty twenty five,

0:30:25.240 --> 0:30:28.080
<v Speaker 1>adding that the f y twenty five copilot focus is

0:30:28.120 --> 0:30:31.240
<v Speaker 1>going to massively fall in f y twenty five, and

0:30:31.280 --> 0:30:34.120
<v Speaker 1>they knew of big co pilot deals in their country

0:30:34.120 --> 0:30:36.960
<v Speaker 1>that have less than twenty percent usage after almost a

0:30:37.040 --> 0:30:41.000
<v Speaker 1>year of integration, adding that corpor is too much and

0:30:41.000 --> 0:30:44.080
<v Speaker 1>that Microsoft's huge AI investments are not going to be realized.

0:30:44.960 --> 0:30:47.920
<v Speaker 1>While Blind is anonymous, it's kind of hard to ignore

0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:49.880
<v Speaker 1>the fact that there are many, many posts that tell

0:30:50.120 --> 0:30:52.880
<v Speaker 1>a tale of a kind of cultural cancer in Microsoft,

0:30:52.880 --> 0:30:56.520
<v Speaker 1>with disconnected senior leadership, the only funds projects if they

0:30:56.520 --> 0:31:00.280
<v Speaker 1>have AI takeed onto the side. Many posts the men

0:31:00.360 --> 0:31:03.400
<v Speaker 1>satching the Della's words salard approach and complain of a

0:31:03.480 --> 0:31:06.440
<v Speaker 1>lack of bonuses or upward mobility, and an organization focused

0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:09.600
<v Speaker 1>on chasing an AI boom that may not exist. And

0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:12.120
<v Speaker 1>at the very least, there's a deep cultural sadness there

0:31:12.120 --> 0:31:14.680
<v Speaker 1>with the many posts I've seen oscillating between I don't

0:31:14.760 --> 0:31:17.160
<v Speaker 1>like working at Microsoft and I don't know where we're

0:31:17.160 --> 0:31:20.200
<v Speaker 1>putting so much into AI, and then someone replying with

0:31:20.320 --> 0:31:22.920
<v Speaker 1>get used to it, SAJA doesn't get a shit, and

0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:25.680
<v Speaker 1>it all feels so ridiculous because there's so many signs

0:31:25.680 --> 0:31:28.640
<v Speaker 1>that these products don't have a product market fit. At

0:31:28.640 --> 0:31:30.520
<v Speaker 1>the start of this episode, I mentioned an article from

0:31:30.520 --> 0:31:33.880
<v Speaker 1>the Information about a lack of adoption of Microsoft's AI features.

0:31:34.440 --> 0:31:37.000
<v Speaker 1>Buried within that one was a particularly worrying thought about

0:31:37.000 --> 0:31:40.000
<v Speaker 1>the actual utilization of their data centers for this AI

0:31:40.400 --> 0:31:43.640
<v Speaker 1>and it said, and I quote around March of this year,

0:31:43.840 --> 0:31:46.400
<v Speaker 1>Microsoft had set aside enough server capacity in its data

0:31:46.400 --> 0:31:49.160
<v Speaker 1>centers for three sixty five copilot to handle daily users

0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:52.160
<v Speaker 1>of the AI system in the low millions. According to

0:31:52.200 --> 0:31:55.040
<v Speaker 1>someone with direct knowledge of those plans, it couldn't be

0:31:55.120 --> 0:31:57.120
<v Speaker 1>learned how much of that capacity was used at the time.

0:31:57.920 --> 0:32:01.600
<v Speaker 1>Based on the information's estimates, Elsewhere, Microsoft has somewhere between

0:32:01.640 --> 0:32:04.200
<v Speaker 1>four hundred thousand and four million years of its office

0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:07.280
<v Speaker 1>Copilot features, meaning that there's a decent chance that Microsoft

0:32:07.360 --> 0:32:10.680
<v Speaker 1>has built out capacity that isn't getting used. Now. One

0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:12.840
<v Speaker 1>could argue that it's building with the belief that the

0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:15.800
<v Speaker 1>product category will grow. But here's another idea. What if

0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:20.080
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't. Huh ah, what do you think? What if?

0:32:20.120 --> 0:32:23.120
<v Speaker 1>And this is crazy, Microsoft, Google and Amazon built out

0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:26.080
<v Speaker 1>these massive data sentences to capture demand that may never arrive.

0:32:27.440 --> 0:32:30.240
<v Speaker 1>I realized that sound a little crazy saying this, But

0:32:30.280 --> 0:32:31.800
<v Speaker 1>back in March I made the point that I could

0:32:31.800 --> 0:32:34.680
<v Speaker 1>find no companies that had integrated generative AI in a

0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:37.520
<v Speaker 1>way that was truly benefited their bottom line, And just

0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:41.360
<v Speaker 1>under six months later, I'm still looking. The best that

0:32:41.400 --> 0:32:43.640
<v Speaker 1>I can find is that big companies appear to have

0:32:44.280 --> 0:32:48.720
<v Speaker 1>done is stapled AI onto existing products and hoping that

0:32:48.720 --> 0:32:52.200
<v Speaker 1>that helps them shift them something that does not seem

0:32:52.240 --> 0:32:54.960
<v Speaker 1>to be working either. It doesn't work for Microsoft, doesn't

0:32:54.960 --> 0:32:56.800
<v Speaker 1>work for Box. It does seem to be working anywhere

0:32:57.160 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 1>as I'm not sure any of these AI upgrades give

0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:02.880
<v Speaker 1>any kind of significant business value. Now. While there may

0:33:02.920 --> 0:33:05.760
<v Speaker 1>be companies integrating AI that are driving some degree of

0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:09.160
<v Speaker 1>spend on Microsoft as your Amazon Web Services and Google Cloud,

0:33:10.120 --> 0:33:12.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how much it is, considering the last

0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:15.080
<v Speaker 1>episode saying about how open ai was only making about

0:33:15.080 --> 0:33:18.680
<v Speaker 1>a billion dollars licensing out their models, and I hypothesize

0:33:18.680 --> 0:33:21.200
<v Speaker 1>that any of this demand is driven by investor sentiment,

0:33:21.240 --> 0:33:24.280
<v Speaker 1>because companies are right now everywhere in the economy being

0:33:24.360 --> 0:33:28.280
<v Speaker 1>pushed to invest in AI without really knowing if it

0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:31.000
<v Speaker 1>will work, or whether it's useful, or whether their users

0:33:31.000 --> 0:33:35.080
<v Speaker 1>will like it. Nevertheless, these companies have spent a great

0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:37.760
<v Speaker 1>deal of time and money baking generative AI features into

0:33:37.800 --> 0:33:40.840
<v Speaker 1>their products, and I think they're going to face one

0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:45.600
<v Speaker 1>of a few different scenarios. Scenario the first, after developing

0:33:45.600 --> 0:33:47.960
<v Speaker 1>and launching these features, these companies are going to find

0:33:47.960 --> 0:33:50.320
<v Speaker 1>customers don't want to pay for them, as Microsoft's finding

0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:52.840
<v Speaker 1>with three sixty five Copilot and if they can't find

0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:54.880
<v Speaker 1>a way to make them pay for it. Now, they're

0:33:54.880 --> 0:33:57.480
<v Speaker 1>going to be really hard pressed when nobody's telling them

0:33:57.480 --> 0:34:00.800
<v Speaker 1>to get in on AI. And there's the same scenario.

0:34:01.120 --> 0:34:03.800
<v Speaker 1>After developing and launching these features, these companies can't find

0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:05.200
<v Speaker 1>a way to get users to pay for them, or

0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:08.600
<v Speaker 1>at least pay extra for them, which means that everyone

0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:10.520
<v Speaker 1>is going to have to bake the same thing into

0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:12.840
<v Speaker 1>their products. Everyone's going to have to do this because

0:34:13.520 --> 0:34:15.760
<v Speaker 1>none of these companies are able to function without copying

0:34:15.760 --> 0:34:19.279
<v Speaker 1>their competitors, which will turn Generative AI into a kind

0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:22.960
<v Speaker 1>of parasite. Now, just to broaden out what I mean here,

0:34:23.920 --> 0:34:27.760
<v Speaker 1>I looked across most of the software as a service

0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:31.480
<v Speaker 1>industry and a previous newsletter and I was looking and

0:34:31.560 --> 0:34:33.359
<v Speaker 1>most of them are doing much the same thing. It's

0:34:33.400 --> 0:34:38.719
<v Speaker 1>document summarization, document search, generation of staff, so emails and

0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:42.640
<v Speaker 1>the like, and summarization summarization can be emails can be documents.

0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:46.040
<v Speaker 1>For the most part, that's what everyone is doing. The

0:34:46.160 --> 0:34:49.759
<v Speaker 1>problem is that everyone doing the same thing means that

0:34:49.920 --> 0:34:52.160
<v Speaker 1>no one can really make money off of it. And

0:34:52.400 --> 0:34:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Jim Cavello out of Gold and Sex made the same

0:34:55.280 --> 0:34:58.279
<v Speaker 1>worrying we had the same thought as me, which makes

0:34:58.640 --> 0:35:01.120
<v Speaker 1>probably him smarter than me. I shouldn't think about that

0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:05.600
<v Speaker 1>too much anyway. I mentioned previously in the last episode

0:35:05.640 --> 0:35:08.480
<v Speaker 1>the commoditization effect of these large language models, and I

0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:10.879
<v Speaker 1>think there's going to be a further commoditization of these

0:35:10.880 --> 0:35:15.359
<v Speaker 1>effects themselves, of these features. If everyone summarizes email, now

0:35:15.400 --> 0:35:17.280
<v Speaker 1>you have to do it too, because otherwise the customer

0:35:17.280 --> 0:35:19.840
<v Speaker 1>can go, there's another feature. I'm going to pay for

0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:22.440
<v Speaker 1>this one because it's got more stuff in it, except

0:35:22.520 --> 0:35:26.799
<v Speaker 1>the feature in questions more expensive. It's very worrying, But

0:35:26.920 --> 0:35:29.400
<v Speaker 1>in general, what I fear is a kind of cascade effect.

0:35:30.520 --> 0:35:32.520
<v Speaker 1>I believe that a lot of businesses right now are

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<v Speaker 1>trying AI, and once those trials end, and Gartner predicts

0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:38.279
<v Speaker 1>that thirty percent of GENERAVIAI projects will be abandoned after

0:35:38.320 --> 0:35:40.279
<v Speaker 1>the proof of concept by the end of twenty twenty five,

0:35:40.600 --> 0:35:42.479
<v Speaker 1>these companies are going to stop paying for the extra

0:35:42.560 --> 0:35:46.720
<v Speaker 1>features or stop integrating GENERATEVII into their products. If this happens,

0:35:46.840 --> 0:35:49.600
<v Speaker 1>it will reduce the already kind of shitty revenue flowing

0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:52.440
<v Speaker 1>to the hyperscalers providing cloud computer or access to models

0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:56.000
<v Speaker 1>for generat AI, which in turn could create more price

0:35:56.040 --> 0:35:59.600
<v Speaker 1>pressure on these companies. They're already negative margins sour. At

0:35:59.600 --> 0:36:02.440
<v Speaker 1>that point, Open AI and Anthropic will almost certainly have

0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:06.279
<v Speaker 1>to raise prices. And what's fun is they're already not

0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:09.359
<v Speaker 1>making that much money from this. So we're in this

0:36:09.400 --> 0:36:13.319
<v Speaker 1>weird situation where it isn't obvious which it's going to be.

0:36:13.640 --> 0:36:15.400
<v Speaker 1>Is it that they're going to have to raise prices,

0:36:15.480 --> 0:36:17.319
<v Speaker 1>or that no one wants to pay them, or some

0:36:17.360 --> 0:36:20.239
<v Speaker 1>combination of both. It's also important to note that the

0:36:20.320 --> 0:36:23.120
<v Speaker 1>hyperscalers are also terrified of pissing off Wall Street. I

0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:26.440
<v Speaker 1>really mean that one of them will eventually blink. And

0:36:26.480 --> 0:36:29.160
<v Speaker 1>while they could theoretically do the layoffs and cost cutting

0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:32.720
<v Speaker 1>measures I've mentioned, these are short term solutions that don't

0:36:32.800 --> 0:36:37.000
<v Speaker 1>really work against burning billions tens of billions, like more

0:36:37.000 --> 0:36:40.480
<v Speaker 1>than half more than fifty billion a year for each

0:36:40.520 --> 0:36:43.719
<v Speaker 1>of them. How are you going to cut enough to

0:36:43.800 --> 0:36:48.720
<v Speaker 1>bankroll that? But in any case, putting aside the amount

0:36:48.719 --> 0:36:51.560
<v Speaker 1>of money they're having to invest, it might be time

0:36:51.600 --> 0:36:54.080
<v Speaker 1>to accept that there really isn't money here in Generative AI.

0:36:54.520 --> 0:36:56.279
<v Speaker 1>It might be time to stop and take stock of

0:36:56.320 --> 0:36:58.520
<v Speaker 1>the fact that we're in the midst of what our

0:36:58.600 --> 0:37:03.160
<v Speaker 1>third delusional epop our third stupid idea that everyone claims

0:37:03.239 --> 0:37:08.360
<v Speaker 1>the future, But unlike cryptocurrency, in the metaverse, everyone seems

0:37:08.360 --> 0:37:10.919
<v Speaker 1>to have joined this pie, and everyone's decided to burn

0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:15.759
<v Speaker 1>as much money as he mainly possible on this unsustainable, unreliable, unprofitable,

0:37:15.880 --> 0:37:21.360
<v Speaker 1>environmentally destructive bullshit sold to customers and businesses as artificial

0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:25.239
<v Speaker 1>intelligence to law may everything without ever having a path

0:37:25.280 --> 0:37:27.319
<v Speaker 1>to do so. Because that's the thing, none of this

0:37:27.440 --> 0:37:31.560
<v Speaker 1>is even AI. This is an automation. It's generation generation

0:37:31.640 --> 0:37:35.040
<v Speaker 1>in different hats, and it burns the world around us

0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:39.879
<v Speaker 1>to provide it. But you know, I don't think the

0:37:39.920 --> 0:37:42.120
<v Speaker 1>following is going to burn the world. In fact, I

0:37:42.160 --> 0:37:45.319
<v Speaker 1>think it could really make your life better. And I

0:37:45.480 --> 0:37:50.360
<v Speaker 1>need you to directly and vacifiously engage with the following

0:37:50.400 --> 0:38:07.600
<v Speaker 1>advertisements and we're back. See might ask why does this

0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:11.520
<v Speaker 1>keep happening? Why do we keep getting these stupid movements?

0:38:12.360 --> 0:38:14.840
<v Speaker 1>Why did they tell us that cryptocurrency was the future.

0:38:14.840 --> 0:38:16.760
<v Speaker 1>Why did they tell us the metaverse was the future?

0:38:16.760 --> 0:38:18.799
<v Speaker 1>Why are they telling us that generative AI is the

0:38:18.840 --> 0:38:21.800
<v Speaker 1>future when none of these things from the very beginning

0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:25.879
<v Speaker 1>looked like the future. There were signs from GPT through

0:38:25.920 --> 0:38:28.200
<v Speaker 1>like oh cool, you can generate entire things, and like

0:38:28.239 --> 0:38:31.920
<v Speaker 1>a minute, wow, that's crazy. But past that point, past

0:38:31.960 --> 0:38:33.960
<v Speaker 1>that moment of oh you can do that, I guess

0:38:34.560 --> 0:38:38.759
<v Speaker 1>what was there? And why does this keep happening. It's

0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:42.120
<v Speaker 1>the natural result of a tech industry that's become entirely

0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:45.920
<v Speaker 1>focused on making each customer more valuable rather than providing

0:38:45.920 --> 0:38:48.400
<v Speaker 1>more value to the customer in exchange for I don't know,

0:38:48.640 --> 0:38:51.960
<v Speaker 1>money or attention. The products you're being sold today almost

0:38:52.040 --> 0:38:55.080
<v Speaker 1>certainly tried to wed you to a particular ecosystem when

0:38:55.120 --> 0:38:58.800
<v Speaker 1>owned by Microsoft, Apple, Amazon or Google as a consumer

0:38:58.840 --> 0:39:01.880
<v Speaker 1>at least and internally increase the burden of lead things

0:39:01.880 --> 0:39:05.840
<v Speaker 1>said ecosystem. Imagine trying to move all of your subscribe

0:39:05.880 --> 0:39:09.480
<v Speaker 1>and save shit off of Amazon. Imagine trying I mean

0:39:09.600 --> 0:39:13.359
<v Speaker 1>moving iOS to Android or It's not that easy. And

0:39:13.400 --> 0:39:18.120
<v Speaker 1>that's by design. Everything is about further monetization, about increasing

0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:20.160
<v Speaker 1>the dollar per head value of each customer, be it

0:39:20.200 --> 0:39:22.359
<v Speaker 1>through keeping them doing stuff on the platform, to show

0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:25.200
<v Speaker 1>them more advertising, upselling them new features that are only

0:39:25.280 --> 0:39:28.399
<v Speaker 1>kind of useful or previously we're free, or creating some

0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:31.520
<v Speaker 1>new monopoly or oligopoly where only those with the massive

0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:34.319
<v Speaker 1>war chests a big tech can really play, and very

0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:36.759
<v Speaker 1>very little about this is about delivering any kind of

0:39:36.760 --> 0:39:39.640
<v Speaker 1>real value or utility or thing that you, the customer

0:39:39.719 --> 0:39:43.640
<v Speaker 1>might like. Generative AI might not be super useful, but

0:39:43.680 --> 0:39:46.200
<v Speaker 1>it's really easy to integrate into stuff and make new

0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:49.279
<v Speaker 1>things happen, creating all sorts of new things that the

0:39:49.320 --> 0:39:52.279
<v Speaker 1>company could theoretically charge for, both for a customer and

0:39:52.320 --> 0:39:55.880
<v Speaker 1>an enterprise customer. Sam Molton was smart enough to realize

0:39:55.880 --> 0:39:58.120
<v Speaker 1>that the tech industry needed a new thing, a new

0:39:58.160 --> 0:40:00.520
<v Speaker 1>technology that everybody could take a piece of and sell.

0:40:00.680 --> 0:40:03.359
<v Speaker 1>And while he might not really understand technology, all one

0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:07.480
<v Speaker 1>understands growth and the lust that the economy has for growth,

0:40:08.040 --> 0:40:11.920
<v Speaker 1>and he's productized Transformer based architecture is something that everybody

0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:14.600
<v Speaker 1>could sell, a magical tool that could plug into things

0:40:14.640 --> 0:40:17.680
<v Speaker 1>and kind of connect to an ephemeral concept like AI.

0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:22.480
<v Speaker 1>The problem is that the desperation to integrate genera if

0:40:22.480 --> 0:40:25.480
<v Speaker 1>AI everywhere has shown a pretty nasty light on how

0:40:25.520 --> 0:40:28.840
<v Speaker 1>disconnected these companies are from actual consumer needs or even

0:40:29.400 --> 0:40:33.920
<v Speaker 1>running good companies. Like really, I'm not even being facetious.

0:40:34.840 --> 0:40:37.360
<v Speaker 1>I would genuinely like it if this stuff was useful.

0:40:37.520 --> 0:40:40.640
<v Speaker 1>I like useful things. There would be ethical concerns about

0:40:40.640 --> 0:40:43.640
<v Speaker 1>the copyright theft and such, but I would at least

0:40:43.719 --> 0:40:45.920
<v Speaker 1>tip my hat to them if I could find something,

0:40:46.480 --> 0:40:50.040
<v Speaker 1>anything that I looked at and could say, Wow, that's

0:40:50.080 --> 0:40:52.680
<v Speaker 1>really useful in my daily life. I got nothing, and

0:40:52.719 --> 0:40:56.280
<v Speaker 1>I've really looked. You can email me easy that's echoes

0:40:56.320 --> 0:40:59.560
<v Speaker 1>Abetter offline dot com if you have one. But I've

0:40:59.640 --> 0:41:03.440
<v Speaker 1>yet impressed by one of those emails, So please try harder.

0:41:04.880 --> 0:41:07.200
<v Speaker 1>And the really worrying part is that other than AI,

0:41:08.360 --> 0:41:10.440
<v Speaker 1>many of these companies don't seem to have any other

0:41:10.520 --> 0:41:15.320
<v Speaker 1>new products. What else is there? What are the things

0:41:15.320 --> 0:41:18.120
<v Speaker 1>do they have to grow their companies? No? Really, what

0:41:18.400 --> 0:41:21.040
<v Speaker 1>do they have? The new iPhone? I bought the new iPhone.

0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:23.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm a little pig point cooin coin. I bought the iPhone.

0:41:23.960 --> 0:41:26.319
<v Speaker 1>I bought the new one, and I've bought it every year.

0:41:26.360 --> 0:41:28.520
<v Speaker 1>I am that guy I sell the old one about

0:41:28.560 --> 0:41:31.399
<v Speaker 1>the new one. This is the first year. I think

0:41:31.440 --> 0:41:33.600
<v Speaker 1>from the beginning where I bought it and being like

0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:35.640
<v Speaker 1>why did I do that? Man? What does this do?

0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:39.600
<v Speaker 1>And that's because I think we're hitting a wall. This

0:41:39.640 --> 0:41:41.719
<v Speaker 1>is the rock combubble. I talked about a few months ago.

0:41:42.640 --> 0:41:46.160
<v Speaker 1>They've not got anything. There's nothing, They've got nothing. And

0:41:46.200 --> 0:41:50.879
<v Speaker 1>that really is the problem, because when everything falls, when

0:41:50.920 --> 0:41:54.360
<v Speaker 1>everyone realizes, when the markets look at tech and say, wow,

0:41:54.480 --> 0:41:56.400
<v Speaker 1>you're not going to grow forever. You're not going to

0:41:56.480 --> 0:41:58.040
<v Speaker 1>come up with a new wiz bang that you can

0:41:58.080 --> 0:42:01.440
<v Speaker 1>market to everyone and make billions in returns. You're not

0:42:01.480 --> 0:42:05.520
<v Speaker 1>going to do that. No, they're not going to react

0:42:05.520 --> 0:42:08.640
<v Speaker 1>well at all, because when you take away the massive

0:42:08.680 --> 0:42:12.320
<v Speaker 1>growth that tech has, you have a very annoying industry

0:42:12.360 --> 0:42:15.520
<v Speaker 1>full of annoying young people that will piss off the markets.

0:42:15.760 --> 0:42:19.359
<v Speaker 1>They will piss off those with the money. The tech

0:42:19.400 --> 0:42:21.440
<v Speaker 1>industry has a terrible rep with the government and a

0:42:21.520 --> 0:42:25.480
<v Speaker 1>terrible rep with society. The reevaluation of these companies will

0:42:25.520 --> 0:42:30.400
<v Speaker 1>be merciless, and there are very few friends left, and

0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:32.680
<v Speaker 1>I think there will be a cascade down to the

0:42:32.719 --> 0:42:35.399
<v Speaker 1>other companies in the tech space, just in the same

0:42:35.440 --> 0:42:38.280
<v Speaker 1>way that it will hit workers who will get laid

0:42:38.280 --> 0:42:41.320
<v Speaker 1>off when all of this falls apart. Despite none of

0:42:41.360 --> 0:42:44.040
<v Speaker 1>these people doing anything wrong other than the people up

0:42:44.080 --> 0:42:47.800
<v Speaker 1>top having no creativity, no real innovation, and no understanding

0:42:47.840 --> 0:42:52.600
<v Speaker 1>of real people's problems. I hypothesize a kind of SUBPRIMEI

0:42:52.760 --> 0:42:55.799
<v Speaker 1>crisis is brewing where almost the entire tech industry is

0:42:55.840 --> 0:42:59.239
<v Speaker 1>brought in and a technology sold at this insanely discounted rate,

0:42:59.440 --> 0:43:03.320
<v Speaker 1>heavily sentralized and subsidized by big tech companies like Microsoft, Amazon,

0:43:03.360 --> 0:43:07.160
<v Speaker 1>and Google. At some point, this incredible toxic burn ray

0:43:07.600 --> 0:43:09.799
<v Speaker 1>is going to burn through GENERATIVEAI and it's going to

0:43:09.840 --> 0:43:12.319
<v Speaker 1>catch up with them. And when the price increases come

0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:16.280
<v Speaker 1>or companies realize that these features are not that useful

0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:19.919
<v Speaker 1>and they see the lack of user adoption, they're going

0:43:19.960 --> 0:43:23.279
<v Speaker 1>to start getting nervous. But right now are in the

0:43:23.320 --> 0:43:26.239
<v Speaker 1>piss take section of the economy. Right now we're seeing

0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:30.360
<v Speaker 1>the egregious share like Salesforce charging two dollars a conversation

0:43:30.480 --> 0:43:34.720
<v Speaker 1>for their new agent Force product. But eventually the markets

0:43:34.760 --> 0:43:39.319
<v Speaker 1>will catch up because the money isn't there. And when

0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:42.279
<v Speaker 1>these prices go up, I'm not confident that will have

0:43:42.560 --> 0:43:45.920
<v Speaker 1>much of a generative AI industry left. And that's assuming

0:43:45.960 --> 0:43:49.400
<v Speaker 1>that these companies still have enough money. It's assuming that

0:43:49.520 --> 0:43:52.080
<v Speaker 1>open ai is able to raise another six and a

0:43:52.120 --> 0:43:55.040
<v Speaker 1>half billion dollar round in the next six to eight months.

0:43:55.680 --> 0:43:58.440
<v Speaker 1>How long can they do that? For? How many times?

0:43:58.640 --> 0:44:01.120
<v Speaker 1>How many years? A VSA he's willing to prop up

0:44:01.480 --> 0:44:05.480
<v Speaker 1>open AI. How many years is Microsoft ready to burn

0:44:05.760 --> 0:44:09.840
<v Speaker 1>capital to make what a billion or two on Generative AI?

0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:14.440
<v Speaker 1>This is embarrassing. It's bad business and it's bad product.

0:44:15.320 --> 0:44:19.319
<v Speaker 1>Satch an Adela, Sundarpishi, sam Ortmon, the whole lot of them.

0:44:19.360 --> 0:44:22.120
<v Speaker 1>They should be absolutely fucking ashamed of themselves. They're insult

0:44:22.200 --> 0:44:26.000
<v Speaker 1>to innovation and insult Silicon Valley and insult to their consumers.

0:44:27.320 --> 0:44:30.520
<v Speaker 1>And what happens, you tell me this when the tech industry,

0:44:30.640 --> 0:44:33.200
<v Speaker 1>the entire tech industry, relies on the success of a

0:44:33.280 --> 0:44:35.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of software that only loses money and doesn't create

0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:39.440
<v Speaker 1>much value when it does so. And what happens when

0:44:39.440 --> 0:44:42.239
<v Speaker 1>the heat gets too hot and these products become impossible

0:44:42.280 --> 0:44:45.960
<v Speaker 1>to reconcile with, and that everyone realizes that none of

0:44:46.040 --> 0:44:50.360
<v Speaker 1>these companies have anything else to sell. I really don't know.

0:44:51.800 --> 0:44:59.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm scared. I'm not trying to do fud, doing a fud, fear, uncertainty,

0:44:59.320 --> 0:45:01.840
<v Speaker 1>in doubt, told to spell these things out, but I

0:45:01.960 --> 0:45:06.320
<v Speaker 1>am worried because really the only other alternative to what

0:45:06.400 --> 0:45:10.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying is that they magically make this profitable, that

0:45:10.120 --> 0:45:12.680
<v Speaker 1>they just keep doing this until it goes into the green,

0:45:13.160 --> 0:45:16.040
<v Speaker 1>despite no one appearing to know how, despite their not

0:45:16.280 --> 0:45:20.040
<v Speaker 1>being a path there. How willing are you to believe

0:45:20.120 --> 0:45:22.520
<v Speaker 1>them after they've lied to you for so many years?

0:45:23.760 --> 0:45:27.960
<v Speaker 1>How ridiculous is this really? How ridiculous have you been

0:45:28.040 --> 0:45:31.239
<v Speaker 1>thinking this is? How much can you let them coast on?

0:45:31.640 --> 0:45:34.040
<v Speaker 1>They'll work it out? Because they haven't. They haven't worked

0:45:34.040 --> 0:45:36.200
<v Speaker 1>it out for a while. It's been over a decade

0:45:36.200 --> 0:45:39.320
<v Speaker 1>since the last significance consumer tech innovation. It's been a

0:45:39.400 --> 0:45:42.040
<v Speaker 1>ton on the chip side. But what is there for you?

0:45:42.160 --> 0:45:44.879
<v Speaker 1>And I? Not really much? And I don't think there's

0:45:44.960 --> 0:45:47.560
<v Speaker 1>much in this industry either, And I worry that the

0:45:47.640 --> 0:45:51.160
<v Speaker 1>tech industry is building towards a really grotesque reckoning, with

0:45:51.280 --> 0:45:54.160
<v Speaker 1>a total lack of creativity, enabled by an economy that

0:45:54.239 --> 0:45:58.480
<v Speaker 1>rewards growth over innovation, and monopolization over loyalty, and management

0:45:58.560 --> 0:46:01.280
<v Speaker 1>over those who actually build things. The people in control

0:46:01.360 --> 0:46:03.880
<v Speaker 1>of the tech industry are not the ones who built it.

0:46:04.320 --> 0:46:07.880
<v Speaker 1>These people are management consultants. Even Samultman is one of them.

0:46:09.000 --> 0:46:12.680
<v Speaker 1>These people are superficially interesting and superficially smart, just like

0:46:12.840 --> 0:46:17.520
<v Speaker 1>jat GPT. And I worry, I worry so much, So

0:46:17.760 --> 0:46:21.160
<v Speaker 1>promise me, dear listener, then The next time someone tells

0:46:21.160 --> 0:46:23.240
<v Speaker 1>you they'll work it out, that this stuff is the future,

0:46:23.600 --> 0:46:26.120
<v Speaker 1>tell them some of this shit, send them the podcast,

0:46:26.280 --> 0:46:28.000
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