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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: we have Washington Post columnist and Trump Hawkeye legal analysis

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Speaker 1: George Conway. Welcome to Fast Politics, George Conway. This isn't

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Speaker 1: And I know you're subscribed, so okay there, And I

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Speaker 1: know you only call me when you're desperate for Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's not even true, that is not true. You had

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Speaker 1: this amazing piece an interview that we all read and

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Speaker 1: poured over. He poured over it over, and that's why

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Speaker 1: Conway coming in to talk legalism with us. We got

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Speaker 1: to start at the beginning, sir. In the beginning there

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Speaker 1: was there was Donald J. Trump, and he's going to jail.

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Speaker 1: Explained to us, what you think here is happening, What

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Speaker 1: I think here Isn't that complicated. It's just that this

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Speaker 1: And then we're learning every day how he lied to

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Speaker 1: his lawyers. His lawyers made false statements that he passed

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Speaker 1: Lawyer Cannon was scared of looking at the documents because

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Speaker 1: Judge Cannon. She this is the lawyers. His name is

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Speaker 1: not have the family name besmirched anymore with this mess.

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Speaker 1: Judges loose Cannon. This is I don't know lawyer Cannon,

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Speaker 1: the first amoment. This case is the most ridiculous thing

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Speaker 1: to coerce in Happensburger. Right. There's this civil case in

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Speaker 1: But there's another thing there, which is she said she

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Speaker 1: so much, George. This is really interesting and it's always

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna play some games. We're gonna play a

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Speaker 1: game Veep West Wing or the real world, um, which

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Speaker 1: is much harder than you would think, really really difficult

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Speaker 1: to identify. As we continue on in this dystopia and

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Speaker 1: America becomes more and more like Veep, do you ever

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Speaker 1: think like, wow, we should go back, we should do something,

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Speaker 1: I mean, or do you just worry that you sort

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Speaker 1: of created a few sure that somehow has me is

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Speaker 1: being fulfilled? Well, I mean, I would like to go

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Speaker 1: back purely selfishly, just because it was such a joyful

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Speaker 1: period of time making the show. It was just endless

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Speaker 1: amounts of fun to do. Competing with the current climate

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Speaker 1: that we're in, I'm not sure how we could come back,

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Speaker 1: but maybe we could. I don't know. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 1: always up for a conversation about it. I just don't

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Speaker 1: know how we do it exactly. What do you think Dave. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I sort of unfortunately feel the same way,

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Speaker 1: which is, I think we are so much funnier when

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Speaker 1: like government is trying to be good. The Biden sort

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Speaker 1: of administration has been a start, and maybe perhaps a

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Speaker 1: second term or another Democrat one way or another, maybe

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Speaker 1: we can start to have that conversation. But when you

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Speaker 1: spend your days like doing things like this veep West

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Speaker 1: wing thing, which we're doing because we're worried about people

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Speaker 1: stealing the election in two years, do you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean? Like actually stealing it, not the fake not

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Speaker 1: the fake nonsense, but like a legitimate attempt to steal something.

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Speaker 1: Like it's just hard to make this all funny. The

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Speaker 1: comedy of Oh, senators and congressmen might start getting attacked.

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Speaker 1: It's just less enjoyable, you know. It's just, uh, when

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Speaker 1: democracy is in peril, it takes the irony out of

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Speaker 1: the irony, doesn't it. It's almost like the yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: no straight line anymore. You know, it's like you're funny

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Speaker 1: because like, oh, this is what it should be, but

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Speaker 1: we're doing this, but there's no Now, this this is

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Speaker 1: what it should be. It's just they're insane, and so

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Speaker 1: you know, back to like on our show, we have

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Speaker 1: Selena make the candidates skin even darker, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. It's like, that's like, that's not exactly it

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Speaker 1: sort of stops being a joke unfortunately. Well, I think

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Speaker 1: you've hit the sort of the upper ceiling of satire, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: if things are just continually getting worse, you almost can't

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Speaker 1: have satire. I think you can have satire. It's just

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Speaker 1: a question of the kind of the tone and the

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Speaker 1: style of the satire. It's just a question of I

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Speaker 1: think that I satire has a place in the world.

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Speaker 1: I think under all circumstances. But I'm just not sure

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Speaker 1: our style of senter Well, I don't know. I reserve

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Speaker 1: the right to change my mind on this if it

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Speaker 1: might still work. It's harder to outdo them in terms

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Speaker 1: of that kind of satire. Yes, yes, and and certainly yes,

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Speaker 1: they should be deflated and they should be attacked in

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Speaker 1: sort of all sorts of wonderful ways. I'm just not

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Speaker 1: sure showing that they're bad by us being even worse

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Speaker 1: keeps working. Maybe it's that construction. I don't know. But

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Speaker 1: oh god, if when satire dies, that is truly when

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Speaker 1: I you know, buy my way into Portugal or wherever,

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Speaker 1: wherever I'm wherever. We're all moving later. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: as you know, that's the plan. So yeah, let's just

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Speaker 1: have two more seconds on Wisconsin. So Governor Iver's is

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Speaker 1: a big race. Then there's a Senate race, which is

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Speaker 1: a Mandela Barnes, he's come on the podcast. He's really

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Speaker 1: a great candidate who is being targeted. And then there

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Speaker 1: are all these down ballot races, right, yeah, Julia mentioned

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Speaker 1: the Secretary of State and then they have to hold

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Speaker 1: the legislature because you can if you have the governor

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Speaker 1: and the Republicans have a supermajority, then they can rule him. Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: over ride over rule. Sorry, and uh and yeah, so

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Speaker 1: it is just it is so important. Just again, we

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Speaker 1: just we keep saying it's like this mantra for us,

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Speaker 1: just up and down the ballot, up and down the ballot. Wisconsin, Wisconsin, Wisconsin,

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Speaker 1: and the Wisconsin Dems there are a really good state

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Speaker 1: organization and uh, you know, they make they make your

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Speaker 1: money go far with their organization, getting people out, getting

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Speaker 1: the vote out, and and so it's a it's a

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Speaker 1: good dollar to spend. Yeah, and you can sign up

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Speaker 1: for the VIEP West Wing event, Like at any level,

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Speaker 1: no one's like, you gotta give a million dollars, give

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Speaker 1: what you can, any amount gets you into the event.

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Speaker 1: There's gonna be some giveaways and stuff. I honestly think

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Speaker 1: it's going to be really fun. You're gonna get a

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Speaker 1: chance to hear what the VP people being earnest, and

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get to hear some of the West Wing

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Speaker 1: people curse. So that alone should make you want to

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Speaker 1: come and stein up. So please, Yeah, who are you

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Speaker 1: expecting from VEEP and who are you expecting from West Wing? Excellent,

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Speaker 1: excellent question. I'm gonna be there. You'll be there. I

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Speaker 1: think gonna be there. Bradley Whitford is going to be there.

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Speaker 1: I believe Tony Hell is gonna be there. Oh, he's amazing,

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Speaker 1: it's amazing. Tim Simmons is going to be there. Matt

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Speaker 1: Walsh an clumsky, and Matt Walsh is the only good

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Speaker 1: Matt Walsh, just for those in the podcast world, because

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Speaker 1: there's the good Matt Wash the actor, and then there's

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Speaker 1: the bad Matt Walsh. Julia, I'm gonna tell this story

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Speaker 1: and I'm sorry, so I hope it's okay. Please do.

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Speaker 1: I was so horrified. I get a text from Julia.

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Speaker 1: This is like a couple of weeks ago. I get

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Speaker 1: a text from Julia and it's just like, what is

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Speaker 1: going on with Matt? Like it was just literally like

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Speaker 1: has he lost his mind? Is this some kind of

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Speaker 1: a joke? Is he trying to make a joke that's

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Speaker 1: not landing? And I can't remember what he said it was.

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Speaker 1: It was so horribly wrong and so right wing, felt

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Speaker 1: sort of a little fascist. I can't even remember what

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Speaker 1: it was. It was really crazy. I thought my friend

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Speaker 1: Matt had had a kind of a nervous breakdown or something.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't figure out what's going on. Dai had to

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Speaker 1: tell me. I didn't realize that there was a nut

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Speaker 1: job out there like that. So, yeah, that's that's the

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Speaker 1: other Matt Wah. Sorry, yeah, so it was all good,

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Speaker 1: but it was really funny. Yeah, whenever I see him trend,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you, guys, there's only one good Matt Wash

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Speaker 1: and it's the one from Veep. Yeah, totally Matt Wash.

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Speaker 1: Just tell us the details again one more time before

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Speaker 1: we let you go. Oh my gosh, it's a wisdoms

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Speaker 1: dot org slashed Veep West Wing wisdoms dot Org slash

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Speaker 1: Veep West Wing Sunday, October nine, at five pm Pacific times,

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Speaker 1: seven pm Central Time at eight pm Eastern Time. A

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Speaker 1: whole bunch of the cast of West Wing and Veep

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Speaker 1: coming together. We're gonna be doing uh each other's scenes.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be writing some scenes. We're gonna try in

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Speaker 1: west Wing eyes some Veep scenes. We're gonna veep up

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Speaker 1: some west Wing scenes. We're gonna play the game, which is, uh,

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Speaker 1: it's very hard. I brought one with me. You want

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Speaker 1: to hear it? Molly, Let's see if okay, um, hold on,

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Speaker 1: let me let me find it. This is this is

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Speaker 1: I don't know that you have to be a fan

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Speaker 1: of something. I'm a fan of both So and Jesse

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Speaker 1: should also guess, okay what show ready, Veep, West Wing

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Speaker 1: or real life? Okay, So could be real life, could

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Speaker 1: be Trump or a Republican or anyone or somebody good,

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Speaker 1: could be something, you know whatever. And the quote is

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Speaker 1: crime boy, I don't know, I feel like it's Veep.

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Speaker 1: I'm going west Wind. You're right, Jesse, west Wing? What? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: It was it was the guy that Martin Sheen ran

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Speaker 1: against played by James Brolind sort of be there, kind

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Speaker 1: of George Bush stand in and crime boy. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: dot dot dot. Yeah. Yeah. So anybody can come to

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Speaker 1: the party, and you can. Any amount of donation will

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00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: be accepted with open arms, and the more we raise,

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Speaker 1: the better for Wisconsin and the nation. So please join

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Speaker 1: us on Sunday. We'd love to have you. I was saying, no,

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Speaker 1: we're going to use all the money to try and

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Speaker 1: lighten the photos of Mandela Barnes. I think that's where

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Speaker 1: we're gonna We're gonna spend a lot of money. So um, yes,

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Dave Mandel and Julia Louis Dreyfuss

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Speaker 1: for joining us. Thank you as always, Molly, thank you,

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Dita Nessel is the Attorney General of Michigan.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Fast Politics. Attorney General Nestle, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Is that what people call you? Like a g or

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Speaker 1: does they just they just call you Dana? Right, there's

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Speaker 1: no like weird honorarium. Well, you can call me data.

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Speaker 1: But I say that one of the things I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know is that the proper

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Speaker 1: terminology when you're addressing an attorney general is to call

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Speaker 1: them general so and so so oh. I actually didn't

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Speaker 1: know that until before I was elected. I was hanging

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Speaker 1: out with a bunch of the Democratic ages at a

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Speaker 1: conference and they heard everybody addressing each other is you

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Speaker 1: know General Rosenbloom and General Shapiro and General Healey, And

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Speaker 1: I was like, this is very cool, because I'm the

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Speaker 1: kind of person that I only played paintball once because

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Speaker 1: it hurts so bad. So to be called the general

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Speaker 1: is um. I'm not sure that it's exactly fitting, but

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Speaker 1: you know, I'll take it. So let's talk about the

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Speaker 1: last time I interviewed you. I think it was like

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Speaker 1: before this race, and there was a lot of worry

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Speaker 1: that the three women Democrats in Michigan. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think there was a lot of worry all of us

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Speaker 1: because Michigan is such an important state and you have

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Speaker 1: such a really militant far right militia there. But it

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Speaker 1: seems like you guys are doing really well, all three

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Speaker 1: of you in your races Secretary of State, A G

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Speaker 1: and governor. I feel like you're such an important swing state.

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Speaker 1: What do you think the secret is of your success?

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Speaker 1: Right now? And obviously no one knows what will happen.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, well I don't I don't think it's a secret.

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Speaker 1: I think it's pretty obvious actually, is that, you know,

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party is so radicalized. Now. I know they

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Speaker 1: loved called Democrats radicalized, but when you really think about it, Democrats,

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Speaker 1: at least in Michigan, we represent the status quo. The

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Speaker 1: status quo being that, you know, birth control should remain

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Speaker 1: legal and accessible. Abortion, you know, I mean, if you

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Speaker 1: if you look at the position of the Republicans running

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Speaker 1: in this race, I mean, I'm running against the guy

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Speaker 1: who it's not just that he is happy to enforce

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Speaker 1: our nineteen thirty one law that is no exception for rape,

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Speaker 1: no exception for incests, and no exception to protect the

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Speaker 1: health of the mother, but he went to step further

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Speaker 1: and said he's going to prosecute abortion even if it

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Speaker 1: involves having to save the life of the pregnant woman,

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Speaker 1: that he would still prosecute even under those circumstances. So

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Speaker 1: I think that a lot of people have taken a

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Speaker 1: look at some of these candidates, all of him, by

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Speaker 1: the way, our election deniers and have have clearly said no,

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Speaker 1: thank you, we're not interested in that, and That's why

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Speaker 1: I think at this point at least the pools are

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Speaker 1: what they are. Again, you know, polls are one thing

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Speaker 1: and actual votes are another. But I think that the

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Speaker 1: electorate here finds these candidates to be frightening. So, speaking

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Speaker 1: of your opponent, he compared Plan B, which is I

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Speaker 1: feel like it's important to just talk about this for

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Speaker 1: a minute. Plan B is a pill you take the

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Speaker 1: day after you think you might have unprotected sex, and

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Speaker 1: your opponent compared it to Fenton al can you explain?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, firstly, he imustrated a complete lack

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Speaker 1: of knowledge about what Plan B even is. You know, um,

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Speaker 1: this is not an abortion inducing medication. It actually is taken,

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Speaker 1: you know, as you were suggested in emergency situations, a

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Speaker 1: large dose of hormones that causes the body to be released.

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Speaker 1: It prevents the egg and sperm from joining into us

635
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Speaker 1: I got, And it prevents the if there is as

636
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Speaker 1: I get, it prevents it from being implanted, uh, into

637
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,280
Speaker 1: the lining of the uterus. So you really you prevent

638
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: a pregnancy from occurring. So even if you are someone

639
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: who is hard and fast and believing that even at

640
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: the very very very very earliest stages of pregnancy, that

641
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: abortion is inappropriate, or you opposed that this is not

642
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: an abortion medication, it prevents pregnancy from occurring. But the

643
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: interesting thing was my opponent. First he asked, when he

644
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: was asked about it, what is Plan B. But then

645
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: when it was explained to him, he said, oh, yeah,

646
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,919
Speaker 1: that should be banned. We should treat it like legal

647
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: fetinal shipments that come from without, you know, outside the

648
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: border of our state, not understanding that it's it's sold

649
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: within pharmacies all around the state of Michigan routinely. Isn't

650
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: it just a couple of birth control pills? Yes, But

651
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: the thing was, even when he knew and understood what

652
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: it was, he continued to oppose it. And of course

653
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: we can all laugh about it, except for we're in

654
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 1: a position where, you know, we may very well soon

655
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: see griswold Be, Connecticut overturned the seminal case that allowed

656
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: the legality of birth control in all fifty states both

657
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: to be sold uh and to be used in that

658
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: case by a married couple, and so for him to

659
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: still be you know, he's been very clear that he

660
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: believes that griswold Be Connecticut was not properly decided and

661
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: it should be overturned. That's what my opponent indicates, as

662
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: well as, of course, just as Clarence Thomas of the

663
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: Supreme Court, who vindicated the same but then to say

664
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Speaker 1: that he believes that should be treated the same as

665
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: a very very serious narcotic which is killing people all

666
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: across this country. You know, so many faentinal death type

667
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: stopped counting in the state of Michigan into you know,

668
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: to equate those two types of pharmaceuticals. I mean, it's

669
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Speaker 1: just it's incredible to me. Yeah, I mean, it's just

670
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: such an interesting situation because you do have the Supreme Court.

671
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: I'm curious, Like I've talked to a lot of court watchers,

672
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: and a lot of them have this sort of pit

673
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: in their stomach about this session. I mean, what's your feeling. Yeah,

674
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: I I hear their concerns. I think it's sad that

675
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: people's faith in the judicial system has been rocked by firstly,

676
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: of course, our United States Supreme Court and just the

677
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: really different unfairness to firstly, how those individuals got seated

678
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: on the Court in the first place. But they're very

679
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: extra positions that are not at all in line with

680
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,959
Speaker 1: the vast majority of Americans. But this is a court

681
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: that seems determined to move as quickly as possible to

682
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: undo the progress that's been made by the Court over

683
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 1: the course of many, many decades, and when it comes

684
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 1: to issues that involved governing not just women's reproductive rights,

685
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: but really you know, they're they're their morality police, right.

686
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: It's not just that we're talking about birth control or abortion,

687
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: but you know, they seem intend to, you know, to

688
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: undo the progress made in regard to same sex marriage

689
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: or even if you look at Lawrence fe Texas, which

690
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: I think is on the up chopping plot block, the

691
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: ability for a state to govern what kind of intimate

692
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: acts people can engage in with one another, even if

693
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Speaker 1: they are consensual adults. I was at the University of

694
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Speaker 1: Michigan yesterday where I graduated from many moons ago, and

695
00:38:55,719 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: I remember my senior year having read Margaret at was

696
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: The Handmaid's Tale, which now everybody knows it's part of

697
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: common knowledge and lexicon, and you know it's streaming regularly,

698
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: and I mean it's dystopian fiction, is the way that

699
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: it was phrased when I first read it back in

700
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: probably and now it's like we're inching closer to that

701
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 1: just being our reality. And I guess the question is,

702
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: are our Americans around this country or we can stand

703
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: for it understanding that you know, those who feel the

704
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 1: way these six justices and the Supreme Court field are

705
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: in the very much in the minority in terms of

706
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: how people view the ability of government to regulate what

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00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: goes on in our bedrooms. Yeah, it's funny because I

708
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: am old enough to remember libertarians who seem to no

709
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: longer exist, but they used to not want government intervention.

710
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: But now that's I guess over Yeah, and you know

711
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: it's it's funny. I was thinking about you when we

712
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: booked this, because you know, now we're we're seeing this

713
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: bizarre book by Ending all over the nation, and we're

714
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: having the same debates across the state of Michigan. And

715
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: it's mostly these Republican activists that are trying to frankly,

716
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: stir up trouble and create myths about what goes on

717
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: in our public libraries. But it made me laugh because

718
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: I remember being a middle school or even I think

719
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: a high school student and reading one of your mom's books,

720
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: and you know, everybody wanted to get their hands on

721
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 1: that book, right that book Judy Blooms Forever, I'll never forget. Yes,

722
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 1: there was a lot of talk about whether those books

723
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: should be um permitted to be in our library system.

724
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Speaker 1: My recollection is you could never actually get a hold

725
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: of the book because somebody had already always checked it

726
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 1: out and you could use there's a long waiting list

727
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: for it. But and when I finally read it was

728
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: because my mom had purchased it and I stole it

729
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: out of her closet. But you know, I don't remember

730
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: like outrage against straight people for you know, having the

731
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: audacity to have their sex. I've discussed in pretty graphic

732
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: form in books. Nobody said, like straight people they are

733
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: reading everything. But when you have books that have graphic

734
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,439
Speaker 1: LGBTQ content, then it's like it's a very different story.

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00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: You know. It's kind of a way in to be

736
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: able to discriminate against people. It's just sort of terrifying

737
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 1: and fascinating and strange and also quite scary. There is

738
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: Republican running for governor in Minnesota who believed this viral

739
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: joke about a kid who identified as a cat and

740
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: having a cat letter box in the lower school. And

741
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: then you have in uh, you have the guy who

742
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 1: is running for governor in Pennsylvania who is saying he's

743
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: going to stop pole dancing and pornography from happening in schools.

744
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: I mean, are you seeing this kind of Republican panic

745
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: about schools and fearmongering about things that don't even happen

746
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: in schools all over the state of Michigan. That's happening

747
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: right now. And what what's sad? And I think it

748
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: drives people away from wanting to be public servants and

749
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: to aspire to elected office. Is that well, you can't

750
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: even make a joke nowadays, even in the context where

751
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: you're clearly being sarcastic or ironic. The Republicans will just

752
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: take anything you say and run with it as though

753
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: it's a formal public policy statement. I have just never

754
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: seen such humorless people in my life, and I've never

755
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: seen such intolerance in my life as well. I mean,

756
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: getting to a point that I think is incredibly scary

757
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: because what it does is it it really the very

758
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: dangerous rhetoric that the Republicans traffic, and now it escalates

759
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 1: the commission of hate crimes because they are constantly other

760
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: rising people. And if you happen to be one of

761
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: the targets of their other rising. It really grants permission

762
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: for those who want to do harm to people and

763
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: who have the capacity to do it thanks to the

764
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,919
Speaker 1: fact that it's so easy to act sas fire arms

765
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 1: of every kind in our state and around America. It's

766
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: creating this escalation in in hate crimes and domestic terrorism.

767
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 1: And today my lawyers as we speak, are in trial

768
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: on the Wolverine Watchman case, where of course there's this

769
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: plot to abduct and assassinate a sitting governor in our state.

770
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: And I don't know if those things would have happened

771
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: without having a Republican party that was so dismissive or

772
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to just say condones that kind of

773
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: violent rhetoric, but I would say support said I mean,

774
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: I'm running against a guy who talks about paling around

775
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: with the Proud Boys, who talks about the plot to,

776
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: you know, to kidnap the governor as something that the

777
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: FBI had orchestrated and that there's no merit to it.

778
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: You know, who supports the insurrectionists on January six one

779
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: in our nation's capital. And he's running to be the

780
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 1: top law enforcement officer for a state of over ten

781
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: million people. It's just shocking. I mean, these people are

782
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: being punished, right, I mean the January six riders, Like

783
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: a lot of these people went to jail. I mean,

784
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: do you see any way to sort of sort of

785
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: stop this kind of vitriol and violence. Well, I mean,

786
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: I'm sort of hopeful. I don't know if this will

787
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:23,720
Speaker 1: work or not. I'm hopeful that by these extremist candidates losing.

788
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: Not I know, they're not gonna lose everywhere, but with

789
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: for instance, the public turning away from Donald Trump, for instance,

790
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: and he is obviously first and foremost the worst offender

791
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: of this kind of language. I mean just even his

792
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: rhetoric the other day about the former Secretary of Transportation

793
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 1: and the anti Asian sentiment. And the more he talks

794
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: like that, and the more the party embraces that, I think,

795
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: the more they're gonna lose elections. So I'm hopeful that

796
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: there will be at some point, you know, the understanding

797
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: that if that's the way that you're going to talk

798
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: and act, you're probably not going to be in his

799
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: essitions of authority. So that that's one of my hopes.

800
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: But there are other things obviously that we need to do.

801
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: We need to strengthen domestic terrorist laws federally. We have,

802
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 1: you know, almost a complete lack of ability to enforce

803
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: domestic terrorism. In my state we happen to luckily, but

804
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: most states that's not the case. So that's something that

805
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: we're going to have to work on. Obviously, the easy

806
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: accessibility of firearms, as long as you even have a

807
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: few extremists out there, but they have easy access to

808
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 1: assault weapons, then just a handful of people can cause

809
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: a whole lot of violence and damage and injury and

810
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: death and mayhem. So that's something that we're going to

811
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: have to work on. But really, our country is just

812
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: going to have to pull it together, and I'm not

813
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: sure how you do that with people like Donald Trump

814
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: is still out there, who are the leaders of one

815
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 1: of our two major political parties, and that each and

816
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: every person who runs for office seemingly um has to

817
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: bow down to him in order to get the nomination

818
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: of their party. Yeah, I mean, it just seems to me.

819
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: The thing we've seen is that the more there is

820
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: of this vitriol, the more you know, it leads to

821
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: hate crimes, like so you can see it. I mean,

822
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: I remember reading is to study that show that like,

823
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: you know, where Trump went, then there were you know,

824
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: incidences that followed. I mean, it just was so clear

825
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: that there was really a through line. Oh yeah, I

826
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: absolutely believe that. And that's the reason that we have

827
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: an entire division in my office that is dedicated to

828
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 1: tackling hate crimes. And we worked closely with law enforcement

829
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 1: all over the state. We work, you know, with federal authorities,

830
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: we work with local authorities. You know, we're trying our best,

831
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: but the better thing would be if we did not have, uh,

832
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: those in positions of great authority who were egging these

833
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:55,240
Speaker 1: folks on and supporting them. Until we see a drastic

834
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: shift in the public narrative, I think we're going to

835
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: continue to have issues. Yeah, thank you so much, Dana Nessel,

836
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 1: thanks for having me. No, Molly John Fast, who is

837
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Speaker 1: this again? Now? I'm just kidding. Jesse Cannon, four hundred

838
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: fifty five episodes of you Forgot by day. I didn't forget.

839
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: I just kept distracted by a shiny object called Christian Walker.

840
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: Yeah about last night. We have our bubby. We're gonna

841
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: actually do too because we're so excited about all the news.

842
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: So the Daily Beast the platform that birthed my podcasting career,

843
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: so I'm quite indebted to them. One Roger Sellenberger, no

844
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: relation to Sully Sellenberger. We don't know that it's a

845
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: different name versus you're right, you're right. I mean maybe

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Speaker 1: they're related, Okay. One of their related Sully Sellenberger's son,

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Speaker 1: Roger Sellenberger, who has changed the spelling of his name

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Speaker 1: so that people don't he doesn't get you charged with nepotism.

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Speaker 1: He has broken this incredible story, incredible story but also

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Speaker 1: deeply unsurprising story about herschel Walker paying for abortion for now.

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Speaker 1: And we should also say Roger also broke the stories

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Speaker 1: of all the other families herschel had before this, above

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Speaker 1: other things. Right, he's on the herschel Walker pro creation beat.

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Speaker 1: Is that fair? Yeah? I mean Roger's reporting it's very

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Speaker 1: rare that reporting really makes a difference in an election.

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Speaker 1: But his reporting is a domino that who fell real fast.

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Speaker 1: Last night we read the reporting which included a hand

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Speaker 1: signed to get well card after said abortion a check

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Speaker 1: and I mean talk about receipts. You know, I think

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Speaker 1: there's a valuable lesson here, which is, if you're going

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Speaker 1: to run for Senate and you are going to pay

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Speaker 1: for many abortions, don't use a check. You know. One

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Speaker 1: might say that Steve Schmitzel saying of that running for

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Speaker 1: office is a full body skin. It also is a

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Speaker 1: full receipcher skin. Yeah, so that is pretty interesting. But

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Speaker 1: what is probably more interesting is that soon after the

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Speaker 1: allegations about herschel Walker's abortion paying came out, Christian Walker,

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Speaker 1: herschel Walker's Christian TikTok influencers, son started tweeting these tweets.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with the first one, and actually, in

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Speaker 1: my mind, there's like a big element of tragedy here.

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Speaker 1: Though Jesse and I have been arguing about this. He

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Speaker 1: feels that Christian Walker is sort of a monster, But

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Speaker 1: I do think he is also the victim of domestic abuse.

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Speaker 1: So we have to be a little bit compassionate here.

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Speaker 1: I know my mom and I would really appreciate it

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Speaker 1: if my father, herschel Walker stopped lying and making a

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Speaker 1: mockery of us. You're not a family man when you

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Speaker 1: left us to bang a bunch of women again. You know,

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Speaker 1: not the kind of feminist language that I would appreciate.

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Speaker 1: But okay, Kama threatened to kill us and had us

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Speaker 1: moved six times in six months running from your violence,

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Speaker 1: and that the mother has gone on the record and

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Speaker 1: said that the father had put a gun to her head.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's continually the story of herschel Walker's domestic

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Speaker 1: abuse has has been chronicled throughout the campaign. I don't

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Speaker 1: care about someone who has a bad past and takes accountability,

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Speaker 1: Christian Walker continues. But and then we go to all caps,

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Speaker 1: how dare you lie and act as though you're some

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Speaker 1: kind of quote moral Christian upright man. You're living a

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Speaker 1: life of destroying other people's lives. How dare you? And

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Speaker 1: then there was more. Greg Kelly got involved in this

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Speaker 1: because why news max is own Greg Kelly, who has

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Speaker 1: of course the son of former police chief Ray Kelly,

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Speaker 1: who has his own allegations, He got involved in this,

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Speaker 1: you know, and Christian Walker sort of slapped him down.

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Speaker 1: And then this morning, Christian Walker made a video. I

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Speaker 1: stayed silent as the atrocities committed against my mom were downplayed.

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Speaker 1: I stayed silent when it came out that my father,

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Speaker 1: herschel Walker, out all these random kids across the country,

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Speaker 1: none of whom he raised. And you know, my favorite

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Speaker 1: issue to talk about is father absence. Surprised because it

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Speaker 1: affected me. That's why I talked about it all the time,

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Speaker 1: because it affected me. Family values people. He has four kids,

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Speaker 1: four different women. Wasn't in the house raising one of them.

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Speaker 1: He was out having sets with other women. Do you

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Speaker 1: care about family values? I was silent, Lie after life

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Speaker 1: after life. The abortion car drops yesterday. It's literally his

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Speaker 1: handwriting in the car. They say they have receipts. Whatever

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Speaker 1: he gets on Twitter, he lies about it. Okay, I'm

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Speaker 1: done done. So here's my thing. I've read a lot

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Speaker 1: of these articles where people bespirched the jet z as

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Speaker 1: they say, oh god, we're gonna have elections determined by influitzers.

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Speaker 1: But who knew this was gonna be the first election

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Speaker 1: determined by it in Fluitzer and a Christian influencer at that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that does not act very Christian. All is hated bigotry.

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Speaker 1: I mean that kid is the thing that makes me

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Speaker 1: lose sympathy for him is that it seems he's more

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Speaker 1: about as brand is rude than anything else. We still

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Speaker 1: have to watch how this plays out, but it's certainly

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Speaker 1: is wild stuff and it definitely gets to be the

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Speaker 1: first part of our moment of gery. Jesse Cannon, what's

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Speaker 1: our second part of the moment of well, you told

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Speaker 1: me that you had a bone to pick at a

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Speaker 1: few to break with one. Elon mush Elon mush Rich

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Speaker 1: guy hot take machine has weighed in on the invasion

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Speaker 1: of Ukraine, and he has a few thoughts. It's so

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Speaker 1: easy to not inject yourself into world diploma, say, but

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Speaker 1: here we are. What I think is interesting is he

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Speaker 1: does a highly scientific thing, a Twitter poll, which, as

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Speaker 1: we know, is almost as accurate as actual polling. Well.

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Speaker 1: I liked when he said, when it started going badly

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Speaker 1: for him that he's never seen a poll with more butts.

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Speaker 1: Let's try this then, the will of the people who

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Speaker 1: decide who live in the dom Bass and Crimea should

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Speaker 1: be decided whether they're part of Russia or Ukraine. I

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Speaker 1: don't know the will of the people who live in

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Speaker 1: the dom Bass and Crimea should be decided whether they're

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Speaker 1: part of Russia or Ukraine. It's baffling, yes or now.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know how you vote on this. It's

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Speaker 1: always amazing to me that when you're a rich white

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Speaker 1: guy you get this thing like Douglas Rushcough told us

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Speaker 1: you lose upathy. But the study I want to see

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Speaker 1: is why they think that they know everything on every suntime.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I have to tell you, like Ellen,

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Speaker 1: keep going, buddy, keep taking that whole chiefe exactly. That's

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Speaker 1: it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in every Monday, Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: and Friday to your the best minds in politics makes

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Speaker 1: sense of all this chaos. If you enjoyed what you've heard,

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Speaker 1: please ended to a friend and keep the conversation going.

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Speaker 1: And again, thanks for listening. M HM.