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Speaker 1: Good morning. It's Wednesday, the fourth of October in London.

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Speaker 1: This is the Bloomberg Daybreak EUROP podcast. I'm Stephen Carroll.

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Speaker 1: Coming up today, Rishi Sunac looks to both the Conservative

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Speaker 1: Party agenda back on track as HS two dominates headlines.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Caroline Hipkett at the Conservative Party conference in

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Speaker 2: Manchester with the latest on what could be the Prime

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Speaker 2: Minister's biggest speech of his political career.

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Speaker 1: Plus a House divided Republican Kevin McCarthy is ousted as

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Speaker 1: US Speaker by those and his own party. Let's start

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Speaker 1: with a roundup of our top stories. The Prime Minister,

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Speaker 1: Rishi Sunac is today expected to announce that part of

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Speaker 1: Europe's biggest infrastructure project, HS two is being scrapped. It's

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Speaker 1: understood that the Prime Minister will use his speech at

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Speaker 1: today's Conservative Party conference to soften the blow, announcing that

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Speaker 1: some of the savings will be used to boost other

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Speaker 1: parts of the UK's transport network. But Labour's Greater Manchester

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Speaker 1: Mayor Andy Burnham says the plan is a disgrace.

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Speaker 3: Do not pull the plug on the North of England.

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Speaker 3: Do not treat people here as second class citizens when

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Speaker 3: it comes to transport because if you do do those things,

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Speaker 3: people here will never forget.

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Speaker 1: Burnham's criticism has been echoed by both the former Chancellor,

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Speaker 1: George Osbourne and Conservative West Midlands mayor Andy Street, who

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Speaker 1: had this to say when we asked him about the

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Speaker 1: fact that costs of the project have spiraled to more

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Speaker 1: than one hundred billion pounds.

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Speaker 4: My argument is you do need to have ages too,

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Speaker 4: so that's not really the question, is it. And of

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Speaker 4: course what's been put to the Prime Minister is a

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Speaker 4: proposal which is supported by private businesses, to say let

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Speaker 4: us try to rethink the Lake to the North, but

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Speaker 4: it is still needed to win the investment around the world.

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Speaker 1: Those comments from Andy Street and others have helped to

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Speaker 1: cast a long shadow over the annual Tory gathering, with

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Speaker 1: HS two a core plank of previous Tory pledges to

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Speaker 1: level up economic opportunities across the country. In the United States,

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Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy has been ousted as the House Speaker after

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Speaker 1: the Republican hardliners revolted over his compromise with Democrats to

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Speaker 1: avert at government shutdown. Goldman Sachs says the raises the

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Speaker 1: risk of a government shut down next month. With his

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Speaker 1: successor under even more pressure from those on the right

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Speaker 1: of the party. The move ends a tumultuous nine months

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Speaker 1: for the position again.

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Speaker 3: I don't regret standing up for choosing governing over grievance.

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Speaker 5: It is my responsibility, it is my job. I do

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Speaker 5: not regret negotiating. Our government is designed to find compromise.

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Speaker 5: I don't regret my efforts to build coalitions and find solutions.

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Speaker 5: I was raised to solve problems, not create them.

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Speaker 1: Despite McCarthy's lack of regret, the latest turmoil as fueled

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Speaker 1: concerns about deepening dysfunction in Washington. The last time the

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Speaker 1: House even voted on removing a speaker was in nineteen ten,

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Speaker 1: and in that case, it survived the test. US job

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Speaker 1: openings unexpectedly increase in August, fueled by white collar postings.

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Speaker 1: The number of available positions increased to nine point six million,

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Speaker 1: the level of openings topped all estimates in a Bloomberg

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Speaker 1: survey of economists. Treasury yields rose to multi year highs,

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Speaker 1: and the SMP declined after the report. Polunteer, the data

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Speaker 1: analysis firm founded by tech billionaire Peter Thiel, has emerged

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Speaker 1: The five year deal could be worth close to half

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Speaker 1: a billion pounds and focuses on analyzing medical information. Volunteer's

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Speaker 1: relationship with the NHS has been criticized by civil rights

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Speaker 1: and patient advocacy groups who worry about data privacy and

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Speaker 1: the firm's work with intelligence and defense agencies, and the

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Speaker 1: billionaire investor. Ray Dalio says US China relations are close

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Speaker 1: to breaking down. Speaking to Bloomberg's David Weston, the Bridgewater

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Speaker 1: Associates founder warned of the risk of conflict between the

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Speaker 6: US China relationship are in a number of areas on

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Speaker 6: the brink of red lines, so, in other words, these

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Speaker 1: Brig Dahalio went on to say the breaking point would

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Speaker 1: equivalent of a declaration of war. Dahalio has long nurtured

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Speaker 1: relations with Chinese officials and previously expressed admiration for some

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Speaker 1: of Beijing's economic policies. Well, let's turn two politics here

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Speaker 1: in the UK, Rishi Sunak facing one of the most

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Speaker 1: important speeches of his career as Prime Minister at the

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Speaker 1: Conservative Party conference. Later he needs to unite his supporters

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Speaker 1: ahead of an election year after a party gathering overshadowed

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Speaker 1: by questions over the Hyighth Chess two high speed rail link.

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Speaker 1: Karlin Hepker's been following all the developments at the Conservative

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Speaker 1: Party conference, he joins us from Manchester, Carl and great

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Speaker 1: to have you. Good morning. What are the key things

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Speaker 2: So Rigie Sunac took over from Prime Minister Liz Trust

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Speaker 2: the polling. Remember, of course, the Bank of England had

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Speaker 2: to intervene after Liz Trust's chancellor made a disastrous speech

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Speaker 2: pledging unfunded tax cuts and that sent bondials spiking and

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Speaker 2: up the pensions industry. Richie Sunac took over. He has

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Speaker 2: with his Chancellor Jeremy hunt this speech, though, the Prime

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Speaker 2: Minister needs to wow MPs and party activists here, not

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Speaker 2: just deliver stability that we've seen in the last few months.

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Speaker 2: Perhaps the sort of speech that we really have not

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Speaker 2: seen from the Prime Minister so far. He must prepare

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Speaker 2: the Conservatives for the next general election, which is expected

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Speaker 2: to take place perhaps in the autumn of next year.

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Speaker 2: Will he talk about his own personal story, not quite

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Speaker 2: to riches, but certainly a big British success story, imagining

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Speaker 2: to get into an elite private school, go to Oxford,

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Speaker 2: then get into Goldman Sachs, become elected as an MP

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Speaker 2: the first British Asian Prime minister that the country has

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Speaker 2: ever seen. Will he talk about that? So far this

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Speaker 2: Conservative Party conference has been pretty policy light, so big

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Speaker 2: expectations for what we'll get from the Prime Minister today.

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Speaker 1: What about the issue that has dominated so many of

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Speaker 1: the conversations that you've been having there, Caroline, Are we

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Speaker 1: any clearer now about what's going to happen over the

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Speaker 1: HS two rail link?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: Not particularly The Prime Minister spent all of yesterday speaking

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Speaker 2: this party conference. We are in Manchester after all, and

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Speaker 2: the rumor has been for weeks and months, several weeks

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Speaker 2: at least, that there would be the potential of high

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Speaker 2: speed rail to the connection from Birmingham to the city

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Speaker 2: here in Manchester would be scrapped because of rising costs.

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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister has meant Tuesday telly journalists that he

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Speaker 2: has still not made up his mind on this issue,

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Speaker 2: meeting it would seem during conference, which is also quite

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Speaker 2: an extraordinary step. So will we get perhaps a decision

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Speaker 2: on HS two It's possible as part of the Prime

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Speaker 2: will we hear about new transport projects in the north

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Speaker 1: Caroline, The question of party unity has been another continuing

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Speaker 1: of the discussions that you've been talking about over HS two,

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure. It's hard to say whether it's less united.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's certainly been an immensely difficult few years

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Speaker 2: Tras now Rishi Sunac. That's quite something, totally unprecedented really

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Speaker 2: in British history. Frankly, having said that, we spoke for

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Speaker 2: example to former Minister and member of the Treasury Select

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Speaker 2: Committee Andrea led Some, you know, incredibly strong about how

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Speaker 2: the Business Secretary, and the Home Secretary, Sella Bartherman. But

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Speaker 2: the other thing to mention is that the thing that

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Speaker 2: very present at this Conservative conference. The Home Sectuary Sweller

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Speaker 2: She talked about how politicians have been too squeamish about

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Speaker 2: about migration. She talked about the hurricane of migrants that

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Speaker 2: that has been clear that the language is certainly ratcheting

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Speaker 2: up with the science sectually. Michelle donnellan railing against woke

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Speaker 2: perhaps US style language and that does seem very divisive.

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Speaker 1: Caroline, the questions around you mentioned they're the Conservative Party

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Speaker 1: conference so far being quite light on policy. You've been

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Speaker 2: there is a level of frustration you can detect, and

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Speaker 2: they are, they want to give everybody a fair hearing,

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Speaker 2: confidence at the weekend. But all all business people say,

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Speaker 2: they want industrial policy to be clear. Certainly the net

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Speaker 1: thank you very much. More from Caroline throughout the day

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Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Radio and of course the Bloomberg UK Politics

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Speaker 1: podcast as well, where you can hear some of the

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Speaker 1: conversations that Caroline has been having with those business leaders,

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Speaker 1: Caroline for now, thank you very much. Let's turn to

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Speaker 1: us politics now. The House Speaker Kevin McCarthy has been

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Speaker 1: removed from his position after a rebellion by hardliners within

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Speaker 1: his own Republican party, plunges Congress into an internal power

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Speaker 1: struggle as it faces key deadlines on avoiding a government

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Speaker 1: shutdown and approving more aid for Ukraine. Let's get more

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Speaker 1: now from Bloomberg's Gill Desis on this story. Great to

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Speaker 1: have you with us. Kevin McCarthy is gone from the position,

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Speaker 1: says he won't run again. Who could replace him?

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Speaker 7: So there's a few names in mind, Stephen, as we

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Speaker 7: kind of reached this very unprecedented in historical situation, first

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Speaker 7: of all, remember that essentially Congress is kind of calling

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Speaker 7: for resos at this point, will reconvene in October eleventh

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Speaker 7: and ultimately decide who maybe neesked I think the front

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Speaker 7: runner at this point is the second ranking Republican in

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Speaker 7: Gates has said that that shouldn't preclude him, but ultimately,

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Speaker 7: But I think the bottom line here, Stephen, is that

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Speaker 1: Which, of course, you know, leads us to think, what's

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I think that at this point, Stephen,

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Speaker 7: it's pretty obvious that it's going to be very, very

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Speaker 7: even more pressure, especially from these Republican hardliners, to avoid

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Speaker 1: Of course, the looming deadlines that the US government are

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Speaker 7: Yes, it's really coming up very very soon. I think

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Speaker 7: So it's yes, it's a very very tricky line to watch,

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Speaker 7: But I think it's just it's a long road to go,

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Speaker 1: Okay, Jill Desis, thank you very much for bringing us

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Speaker 1: the late US on that story around US politics. Bridgewater

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Speaker 1: Associates founder Ray Dalio says cash is a good investment

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Speaker 1: of the moment, and that he doesn't want to own

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Speaker 1: know how to use artificial intelligence will do well. Ray

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Speaker 1: Dalio has been speaking to Bloomberg's David Weston at the

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Speaker 1: Greenwich Economic Forum.

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Speaker 6: The US China relationship relations are in a number of areas.

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Speaker 5: On the brink of red lines.

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Speaker 6: So in other words, these irreconcilable differences, they're right on

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Speaker 6: the Taiwan issue, it's an irreconcilable issue and so on.

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Speaker 5: It's right at the line.

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Speaker 6: The breaking point is if the United States said we

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Speaker 6: are in favor of the independence of Taiwan, that's the

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Speaker 6: equivalent of a declaration of war. And because of our

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Speaker 6: political issues that are now internally, you're going to be

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Speaker 6: likely to push that, because of the fact that many

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Speaker 6: and you could even cross that line. It's my point

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Speaker 6: is it's right at the edge. That's that we have

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Speaker 6: a chips issue, and we have a technology and sanctions issue.

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Speaker 5: The reason in World War two war.

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Speaker 6: With Japan you had the cutting off of the oil

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Speaker 6: and then the sanctioning them taking their payments. So you

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Speaker 6: have a somewhat similar situation. Chips is like oil back then,

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Speaker 6: and it's a very very very delicate issue. You have

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Speaker 6: the geopolitical issue which also is manifest in each of

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Speaker 6: them and so on, supporting the supporting Ukraine, and other

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Speaker 6: geopolitical issues which are also right at the edge.

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Speaker 5: Neither country wants to go to war.

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Speaker 6: Everybody's afraid of what that war would be like because

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Speaker 6: it would be devastating economically and politically.

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Speaker 5: So you will see sort of the postponing.

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Speaker 6: These issues will remain and probably intensify over the next

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Speaker 6: five to ten years.

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Speaker 5: But they will be at that edge.

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Speaker 6: So you're going to see in November there will be

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Speaker 6: in San Francisco the APAC Conference and you will see

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Speaker 6: political situation, and so that's it. In China, they are

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Speaker 6: also dealing with a number of big problems. As we're

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Speaker 6: dealing with our problems, they're dealing with their problems. Those

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Speaker 6: problems are first the debt problem, that has now been

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Speaker 6: and about twenty percent of their economy. And there was

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Speaker 6: down to local governments that we're living on debt and

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Speaker 6: a structural issue. They need to do a debt restructuring,

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Speaker 6: and debt restructuring is a very difficult thing to do.

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Speaker 6: They can do it, but it's also very politically impactful

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Speaker 6: because those who are you determine whoever's making these decisions

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Speaker 6: you have that going on, you have a move to

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Speaker 6: what president she calls the hundred year storm on the horizon.

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Speaker 6: In other words, he believes there's one hundred year storm

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Speaker 6: on the horizon. That's the sort of things that we're

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Speaker 5: Have a very.

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Speaker 6: Autocratic in other words, if you don't behave well, you'll

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Speaker 6: do I want to be in Vietnam. That's one of

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Speaker 6: But that's also hurting them. And then of course that

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