WEBVTT - Pluribus | Episode 4: "Please, Carol" 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:05.160 Warning, today's episode contained spoilers for the excellent fourth episode 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:06.440 of Pluribus. 0:00:06.040 --> 0:00:07.320 On Apple TV Plus. 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:27.120 He warned, Hello, my name is Jason Sepsion and I'm 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:29.840 Rosey Night and welcome back to ext revision of the 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:31.120 podcast where we dive deep. 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:33.600 It's your favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture comedy 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:36.159 from My Heart podcast. We're're bringing you three episodes a week. 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:39.640 In today's episode, we're doing it dot guys. 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:43.520 It's episode four of Pluribus and things are getting crazy. 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:46.239 We will be bringing in super producer. 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:48.080 Ian and even a little bit of super producer Aaron 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:51.559 to talk about our theories and schemes and scams and 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:54.480 what is Vince Gilligan up to after our recap. 0:00:55.000 --> 0:01:02.000 Okay, Pluribus episode four, please Carol. We open, apparently with 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:07.800 Paraguay man. A timer sounds and we see that this 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:13.440 mysterious gentleman is scanning radio frequencies, listening to them and 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:16.679 then crossing them off. He's sitting at a ham radio 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:21.200 set and it appears he is in some sort of 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:26.560 storage unit facility. There's a sign in Spanish that says, 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:30.080 you know you gotta pay every thirty days? Are you 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:33.280 going to be you know, all your the lock on 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:35.400 your storage things can be cut and all your stuff's 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:39.080 gonna be victed. He clearly has not been outside the 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:41.720 room in a while because he's picking through. 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:44.320 The trash and he's just like licking the tops of cans. 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:46.040 He's hungry. 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:49.480 It's like a fortified bunk. He's hungry. It's like a 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:50.200 bunker in here. 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:56.120 He looks outside and sees someone arrive take a trio 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:57.880 of food that had been left for him, and leave 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:03.080 another spar new tray of fresh food, much like they're 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:06.000 doing for Carol. He arms himself with a tire ron, 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:08.320 goes out, tips over the tray of food, comes back 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:12.640 in uh and then writes a sign basically apologizing to 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:16.640 whoever owns these storage units, and begins like cutting them 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:18.440 open looking for any food. 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:19.720 He comes away with. 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:26.240 A horrifying collection of edible stuff. 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:32.240 A real struggle. It's a very simid struggle, the ultimate 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:33.000 struggle meal. 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:39.480 It's like a three cans of dog food and like I, 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:42.120 I don't even remember what the other stuff is, but it's. 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:45.359 Mainly pockets of sugar and like a pouch of some liquid, 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:49.520 unidentified liquid, very very rough. 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:53.960 As he is eating this wolfing this down and just 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:57.800 trying to like just wrestle it down. The phone rings 0:02:57.800 --> 0:02:59.840 in its Carol, and we see that phone call exchange 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:02.880 from the other side, and then he writes in his notebook, 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:05.640 caroless Turkish question mark. 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:09.079 We go to Carol. 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:13.839 It was fun. We go to the hospital. Carol's leaving 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:18.240 the hospital. She's her car is totally fucking shit. So 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:20.840 she takes a police cruiser. The hive Mine is like, 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:23.880 how do you like the police cruiser. People on the 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:27.160 highway are like waving at her as she drives by. 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:29.600 She goes home and she finds that the hive Mine 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:32.720 is like freshening up her whole house, cleaning up the 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:36.800 grenade damage. She's like, I thought, what are you doing? 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:39.840 And they're like, don't you remember, like right after the 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:42.720 grenade exploded, we asked you if we could clean the 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:45.120 house and you were like yeah. 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:47.280 And it was absent mindedly. 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:51.680 Yeah, and we went with it. The cleanup crew includes 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:54.520 the mayor of the town and the house looks great. 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:58.760 It does look great. In her office, she she's got 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:02.440 a whiteboard of her next Wakaro book that's planned out. 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:04.880 It made me want to buy this whiteboard by the way. 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:08.280 Yeah, it looked very cool with the layers. Yeah, it 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:08.720 was sick. 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:09.400 Yeah. 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:14.800 The multiple leaves, so she moves that aside, almost erases 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:17.880 the new book, but doesn't, and she starts a new board. 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:19.560 What I know about them? 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:22.880 Uh, And it's like eager to please, they can't kill 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:26.120 they don't play favorites. They are trying to change me, 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:29.880 and they're weirdly honest. She goes out, gets a volunteer 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:30.400 from the crew. 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:31.480 She doesn't want the. 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:34.560 Mayor, so she calls in a guy who we learned 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:38.200 is or was named Larry, tells everybody else to leave, 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:42.920 and then she grills Larry about various things, including her books. 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:45.320 It's like, what do we what does the hive mind 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:47.839 think of my books? They love them. They kind of 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:50.800 are like very bullshitty at first, like they haven't read them. 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:52.479 But then she's like, no, I need you to like 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:56.120 actually prove to me. And they're like specifically this line 0:04:56.160 --> 0:05:00.360 and that line and the exchange you know that happened 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:05.320 here in this particular scene. And so then she asked Larry, Okay, 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:07.680 well what do you think about And this is like 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:15.480 remind currently online there's people are asking groc the x Ai, 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:20.480 like who is more physically fit Lebron James or Elon 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:24.320 Musk And this reminded me of that. Yeah, it's like 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:27.360 straight up to saying, well, technically Lebron is like more 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:30.200 physically explosive, but like when you look at the holistic 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:34.679 fitness of Elon Musk is like one of the fittest 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:39.120 people who has like ever lived. So she asks, Okay, Larry, 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:42.240 what do you think about my work in comparison to Shakespeare? 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:50.080 And Larry's like, basically the same, just like it's on 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:54.960 the level of Shakespeare. Basically like with Carro think about 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:56.599 it as it's like modern Dame Macbeth. 0:05:56.920 --> 0:06:00.600 It's true. And then actually. 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:02.720 Larry makes a kind of like compelling point, which is 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:05.360 to the people that love your books, who are part 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:09.240 of us, they these works deeply touch them, like there's 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:12.280 a there is a fan of yours that's part of us. 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:13.839 That was like in a dark place she was gonna 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:16.200 commit suicide. And then it's like your book came out 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:19.000 and it really found her where she needed to be found. 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:23.840 And then Carol is like, okay, what did Helen think 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:27.520 of my look? And then there's like a very troubling. 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:36.000 Pause right, and it's like you've got to come up. 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:38.680 You've got to have these responses quicker, I think, if 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:41.400 you're the hive mind. But so the hive mind is like, 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:50.440 first response is well, Helen loved you, okay, and. 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:52.480 Then and then the high mind's like, well, I mean 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:53.120 you said. 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:59.640 She's off limits, so like, let's tell and Carol is 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:03.039 like really presses, and then Larry's like, well, she thought 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:03.760 they were harmless. 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:06.160 They were like cotton candy, like a snack. And then 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:09.840 Carols like, well, what about my unpublished work that I've 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:12.280 been working on for five years, the very personal book? 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:15.000 And then there's a very very long pause, and Larry's 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:19.600 like trying to escape the conversation, and Carol like drops 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:21.480 the hammer and is like, if you tell me it 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:23.840 will make me happy. You tell me what Helen thought. 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:28.480 And Helen thought it was fine. It's just it was fine. 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:32.440 And then apparently we learn that the reason that Helen 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:35.840 had pushed for Carol to release it is that she 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:39.680 had strategized with Val, her editor, and they both thought, well, 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:44.080 it won't harm the Wikaro brand, it won't harm the line, 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:47.960 and it will make Carol happy, so just put it 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:50.360 out and it'll be like basically a harmless thing to 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:51.160 put out. 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:53.760 Right and will fuck up the bag. Everybody will still 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:54.200 be good. 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:57.520 Just let her have her phone, you'll feel good. She'll 0:07:57.560 --> 0:07:58.640 feel good about it. 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:02.040 So then Carol dismissus Larry and writes on the whiteboard, 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:02.640 can't lie. 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:05.960 Carol goes to see Zosha. She apologizes for the whole 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:08.560 thing with grenade. She's like, I didn't understand how it 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:11.760 worked with you guys, and then she interviews Zosha and 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:16.840 asks you know about Davis Tackler, telling her that at 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:19.640 the time, he didn't the hive mind, didn't really know 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:21.160 how it all worked, and it's like, well, how does 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:23.440 it work now? And so she's like, yeah, we know 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:27.880 a lot more now basically, and Carol's like, how do 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:28.760 we How do I fix it? 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:29.480 How do I reverse it? 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:32.280 And they're like, we can't. Sorry, that's like offline, that's. 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:36.439 Something we can't do, which basically tells Carol by process 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:42.160 of elimination that it is reversible and big deal. And 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:44.559 then so Zosha's like, don't worry about it, because soon 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:47.000 enough you're going to you're gonna really understand it, which 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:51.240 means I think that they're speeding towards the solution, towards 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:57.120 assimilating Caroly into the hive mind. Carol asks Zosha to 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:59.560 tell her and this is like, you know, we talked 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:02.520 last week about oh man, they're really toning the line 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:04.920 with Carol potentially being unlikable. 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:05.040 Like why is she? 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:07.720 I get that she wants to fix everything, but I 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:10.240 don't get the urgency. And now you get the urgency. 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:13.280 And this is when you're like Vince Gilligan master, because 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:14.079 he gives. 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:15.840 You that little bit, it all makes sense. 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:18.040 It all makes sense now in a way that is 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:18.720 like whoa. 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:22.720 And we discover and Zosha tells us that Carol was 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:25.120 in a conversion therapy camp put there by her parents 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:28.680 and it was like the worst experience that you could 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:33.200 imagine that everybody was horrendous, but with smiles on their faces. 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:37.439 And basically Carol is saying, this reminds me of that. 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:41.640 You see, Zosha, how this is exactly the same. They're 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:45.640 the people of the conversion camp didn't take my agency 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:49.840 and my consent into their decision making. And you're not 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:52.520 doing it either. You're just doing this to me, trying 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:54.280 to do it to me. Why are you trying to 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:56.320 do this when I don't want it and then have mind. 0:09:56.360 --> 0:10:00.160 Zosha is basically like, well, you don't know what it's 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:00.960 like to be us. 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:03.240 You know what it's like to be you, but you 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:03.720 don't know. 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:07.240 How actually cool it is to like completely be subsumed 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:11.080 into the hive mind, which I'm not buying it, but 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:12.760 I have to give it to the hive mind. 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:18.800 They do come up clever responses let's take home break, and. 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:21.160 We were back with the rest of their tute. 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:34.920 And we're at Carol then goes to the pharmacy of 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:38.440 the hospital and flips to the drug manual, finds like 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:42.319 information on sodium pentathal, which is like the old school 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:45.880 truth serum, like from like. 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:48.000 Cold War spy shit. 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:52.160 And a guy comes in catches her and she's like, no, 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:54.720 I want heroin. We learned that Carol was a heroin addict. 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:57.320 They got a look over heroin. He's like, oh, I 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:59.680 don't know about heroin. He's like, what about oxy? What 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:01.880 about something else? It's like, no, I want heroin, and 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:04.320 they're like, okay, well it's coming. It's eight miles away, 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:05.240 but it's on its way. 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:08.720 This was a huge one where I was like, okay, Carol, 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:12.280 I'm like, I feel like you're using all your past 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:17.079 to find potential ways to evade this, and again Vince 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:20.560 Gill again like what he's the master. It was really 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:23.520 funny because three is such a slow burn, and I 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:25.400 do still stand by. I don't think it's as strong 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:27.360 as one two and definitely not as strong as this, 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:29.880 but it does all come together here in a way. 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:31.000 Just start to go. 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:34.400 Oh, okay, my guy, okay, I see what you're doing here. 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:41.160 An incredible setup episode, absolutely so, she gets the heroin 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:43.959 and she also steals some other stuff from the pharmacy 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:45.679 which they don't know about. She goes home, she dumps 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:48.480 the heroin out, sets up a video camera to record 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:53.920 herself and then using herself as like the experimentee, injects 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:56.800 herself with the sodium pentathol and then. 0:11:56.800 --> 0:12:00.839 Just tapes what comes out. And after she wakes up 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:03.360 after like being fully blacked out, she plays the SD 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:06.560 card and it's very funny. There's like a lot of 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:10.280 blabbering and slurring and like reading her own works in 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:18.760 English accents and saying she's complaining about Zosha, saying how 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:23.000 annoying she is, but also like clearly attracted to her, 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:26.959 being like, well, she's also very fuckable. And then Carol 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:29.920 throws away the SD card and clearly she has some 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:32.400 sort of plan, and then she goes back to the hospital. 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:36.240 She takes the handcuffs and stuff out of the police car. 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:39.080 She begins wheeling Zosha away, like let's go for a walk, 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:39.920 it'll be nice. 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:42.680 They get to the elevator, she looks around her cameras 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:45.040 and then she puts the serum, the truth serum, into 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:49.760 Zosha's ivy bag, and then wheels her out to a 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:52.960 little plaza and begins to question her, like how do 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:53.720 I reverse it? 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:56.320 What do I do? How do I change this? 0:12:56.920 --> 0:12:57.240 Tell me? 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:02.760 Now, Zosha is like weeping, weeping. The hive mind pours 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:07.400 out of the surrounding buildings to like, you know, stop 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:10.840 what's going on. Carol handcuffs herself to Zosha so they 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:14.439 can't stop it, orders them to back away, and continues 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:15.600 like asking how do I reverse it? 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:17.920 How versa? And now the whole crowd is like doing 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:20.800 is chaded? Carol, Please, Carol, please, Carol please. 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:22.280 They're all crying too. 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:27.520 Crying, weeping, and then Zosha passes out, falls on the 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:30.800 floor and one of the timeline is like, she's dying 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:31.640 of cardiac arrest. 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:33.480 May we save her life? And then she's like, yes, 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:36.480 go save her life, and that's where we end. Let's 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:49.320 see a quick break and then talk about this incredible episode, 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:54.320 and we're back so much to talk about what an 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:56.360 awesome episode of the show. What did you think, Rosie, 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:57.120 what are your thoughts? 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:02.560 I mean, unbelievable episode, starting to really get to the 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:04.800 point of, oh, I see where this is going now. 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:07.400 Yes, yeah, a huge. 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:11.880 Big emotional episode, but also finally giving us some more 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:16.079 of the steaks. And also, you know, I love somebody 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:20.080 who is a complicated and unlikable character who has a reason, 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:22.760 which is not often something that you see a lot 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:23.080 of times. 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:25.080 They'll just be like, she is a bitter woman. 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:28.840 So I think, like the big reveal here about conversion 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:32.480 therapy and how similar this feels huge. Yeah, just so 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:35.560 well done and so really I did not see it 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:40.120 coming at all, and I think there was just there's 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:43.120 a balance between using something like that as a so 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:47.160 called twist or using it to further the plot. But 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:50.720 I think here it feels very deserved and establishes a 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:53.160 lot makes a lot of sense to do with what. 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:55.200 We know about Carol and the world. 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:59.040 I also loved the truth Serum experiment because, like I've 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:02.880 written quite extent about the kind of history of truth 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:06.200 Serum and the way it was influenced by comic book 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:08.520 stories and the way it was influenced by you know, 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:12.440 the oss and it's really really interesting to see that 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:16.440 here and also to see I think we end this 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:21.160 episode with a very interesting quandary, which is like, how 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:24.840 much like physical power do they have over Carol? And 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:27.800 do they need every single person on earth to be 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:30.880 involved in it for it to be successful, because otherwise, 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:33.520 why wouldn't you just kill her? Like if she is 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:36.280 not going along with the plan and now she's like 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:39.880 trying to uncover what it is and reverse it. I 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:43.440 find that to be a very interesting wrinkle, and I 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:46.840 want to know why they need Carol, So yeah, just 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:51.080 really intrigued. I think this is gonna secure people. They 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:53.120 can't kill people because it would make her unhappy, but 0:15:53.240 --> 0:16:00.360 why Like what is the nature of the swarm? You know, 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:04.320 so they have a biological imperative I guess to not kill, 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:06.480 but I need to know why and I need to 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:09.720 know how that works with their invasion plans and how 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:10.920 the hive mind works. 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:14.680 So I'm very intrigued. 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:15.800 And I think that this is going to be the 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:18.760 episode where if people are not already hooked, this one 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:19.400 is going to have. 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:20.200 Them hooked in. 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:22.040 Yeah, I totally agree. 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:25.760 Also, congrats to Vince because this is they are saying, 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:29.640 like the biggest Apple TV drama series launch. 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:32.520 Now do I technically think this is you know, low 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:33.480 bar but still. 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:38.160 Low Bark is also like what else counts as a drama, 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:41.840 like a severance a drama. But it did get six 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:45.880 point four million hours logged in the first two episodes 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:49.800 according to Nielsen, So it's people are hooking onto it 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.640 and I'm really excited to keep talking about with you guys. 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:55.400 So we had, you know, like I thought that Paraguay 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:59.520 guy as we are calling him at the moment, was 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:07.360 like scanning for other survivors. But super producer Aaron has 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:10.840 a theory that I love. Aaron, come in and tell us. 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:14.439 In the beginning, the guy in Paraguay is checking a 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:17.240 radio frequency, waiting for like a minute and then crossing 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:20.080 off each one, and he's going frequency by frequency. I 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:22.760 think he's not looking for survivors. I think he's looking 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:26.879 for how they communicate, so obviously like a hive mind needs, 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:29.440 it's not just like some telepathic thing. I think. 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:32.199 I think they're using somehow. 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:35.920 Yeah, I think there's a frequency they're using. And also 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:38.159 I think it was back in episode one or two 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:40.960 they specifically mentioned like, oh, all the cell phone towers 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:43.679 are down, So I think that the bringing down the 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:45.920 cell phone towers is to free up all these high 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:49.000 frequency radio waves that they can use to communicate. Now 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:51.720 he doesn't find it, so I'm not positive that this 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:53.959 is the case, but that's what I think they're hinting 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:56.480 in with him doing all this research, and it also 0:17:56.520 --> 0:18:00.680 just makes me think, this guy I like that more 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:02.960 than we do, which is really intriguing. 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:06.320 I love that read Aaron, especially because I think that 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:08.879 makes sense. And also, if you think about it, a 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:13.959 classic Hive of Mine story, right, usually you have to 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:17.439 kill the mother figure, the central figure, so trying to 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:19.680 find out where it goes back to makes a lot 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:24.240 of sense. I also like the notion that I love 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:26.160 a story like even you know, going back to something 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:28.120 as kind of campy as like a Mars attacks. 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:31.480 I think it's always really fun when there is. 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:34.560 A story about somebody who thought that aliens were real 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:38.040 and then they are real? And this is definitely giving. 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:41.840 This guy was prepared for something. Maybe he knew about it, 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:44.280 maybe he didn't, Maybe he just had always been waiting 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:47.400 for an alien invasion. But I think that's gonna add 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:50.080 some really interesting stuff. And I love that read Aaron 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:50.800 I hadn't thought of it. 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:51.440 I love it too. 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:55.760 But that makes in the sense of the show. I 0:18:55.800 --> 0:19:01.880 think makes so much more sense. And yeah, I mean, 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:03.200 what a show, Jason. 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:05.159 I want to make theories. I was gonna say, well, 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:05.680 I want. 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:09.479 To raise something that I think goes along with Aaron's theory. 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:15.520 And so Carol gets the Truth serum and through chemical 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:18.760 means does manage to cut Zosha off from the Hive Mind, 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:21.120 like they lose contact with her and she loses Wi Fi. 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:25.960 She loses Hive Mind WiFi right, but she goes into 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:32.080 cardiac arrest. And so I wonder also if there is 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:35.440 not some huge danger to cutting off the Wi Fi 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:39.080 without knowing the way to do it, because it seems 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:43.639 like you could potentially like exterminate the globe if you 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:47.679 do it incorrectly. What do we think about that we 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:50.600 already have examples of her like getting angry and shutting 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:53.320 them down and then yeah, causes huge exactly. 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:53.920 Yeah. 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:55.680 I think this is the next conflict she's going to 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:57.760 run into, is she figures out a way to do it, 0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:00.919 but it's so damaging that she going to second guess it. 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:04.560 Well, she also was considering just a nuke, you know. 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:07.440 And this is an interesting thing because there is actually 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:10.440 this is the second series that we have right now 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:15.440 alongside it Welcome to Derry, where it's just like, guys 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:18.479 the nukes. There may be nukes before the end of 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:20.600 both of these shows. But I do kind of like 0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:26.320 that the main conflict between Carol and the Hive Mind 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:31.760 is actually about her having to treat them humanely, Like 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:34.800 she could just be going to a Walmart and getting 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:36.840 a gun and shooting a bunch of people down, but 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:43.040 her actual hatred and viciousness and bitterness around humanity is 0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:46.640 being constantly questioned by the fact that these people don't 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:49.159 have agency in their bodies, which we now know why 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:52.399 she relates to. So I do think that going forward, 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:56.000 she is not only going to be trying to find 0:20:56.080 --> 0:21:00.359 ways to not get assimilated. I think I think that 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:03.159 she will be trying to and it will start with 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:06.040 figures like zosher and stuff who she knows and is 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:09.240 making connections with, where she is trying to free them, 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:12.199 and that is going to end up, I think being 0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:15.120 a major part, because freeing them is a side effect 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:16.800 of getting rid of the hive mind. 0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:18.840 But I think that freeing them is. 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:22.600 Going to become more important to her than not getting assimilated, 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:25.000 and that's going to be that personal journey for her. 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:27.840 What do we think is going to be the reason 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:29.400 that she is immune? 0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:33.639 Ian, Oh, it's still like up in the air for me. 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:36.000 I have no idea what it could be. I have 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:37.760 a feeling it's going to be something that we haven't 0:21:37.760 --> 0:21:40.760 even clocked yet, or maybe it's never even explained. I 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:43.920 don't know, but I think it's still too early to tell. 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:50.080