1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: Warning, today's episode contained spoilers for the excellent fourth episode 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: of Pluribus. 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 2: On Apple TV Plus. 4 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: He warned, Hello, my name is Jason Sepsion and I'm 5 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: Rosey Night and welcome back to ext revision of the 6 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: podcast where we dive deep. 7 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 2: It's your favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture comedy 8 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 2: from My Heart podcast. We're're bringing you three episodes a week. 9 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 3: In today's episode, we're doing it dot guys. 10 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 4: It's episode four of Pluribus and things are getting crazy. 11 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 3: We will be bringing in super producer. 12 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 4: Ian and even a little bit of super producer Aaron 13 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 4: to talk about our theories and schemes and scams and 14 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 4: what is Vince Gilligan up to after our recap. 15 00:00:55,000 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: Okay, Pluribus episode four, please Carol. We open, apparently with 16 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: Paraguay man. A timer sounds and we see that this 17 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: mysterious gentleman is scanning radio frequencies, listening to them and 18 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: then crossing them off. He's sitting at a ham radio 19 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: set and it appears he is in some sort of 20 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: storage unit facility. There's a sign in Spanish that says, 21 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: you know you gotta pay every thirty days? Are you 22 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: going to be you know, all your the lock on 23 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 1: your storage things can be cut and all your stuff's 24 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: gonna be victed. He clearly has not been outside the 25 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: room in a while because he's picking through. 26 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 2: The trash and he's just like licking the tops of cans. 27 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 5: He's hungry. 28 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 2: It's like a fortified bunk. He's hungry. It's like a 29 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 2: bunker in here. 30 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: He looks outside and sees someone arrive take a trio 31 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: of food that had been left for him, and leave 32 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: another spar new tray of fresh food, much like they're 33 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: doing for Carol. He arms himself with a tire ron, 34 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: goes out, tips over the tray of food, comes back 35 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: in uh and then writes a sign basically apologizing to 36 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: whoever owns these storage units, and begins like cutting them 37 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: open looking for any food. 38 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 2: He comes away with. 39 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: A horrifying collection of edible stuff. 40 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 5: A real struggle. It's a very simid struggle, the ultimate 41 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 5: struggle meal. 42 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: It's like a three cans of dog food and like I, 43 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: I don't even remember what the other stuff is, but it's. 44 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 6: Mainly pockets of sugar and like a pouch of some liquid, 45 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 6: unidentified liquid, very very rough. 46 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: As he is eating this wolfing this down and just 47 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: trying to like just wrestle it down. The phone rings 48 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: in its Carol, and we see that phone call exchange 49 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: from the other side, and then he writes in his notebook, 50 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: caroless Turkish question mark. 51 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 5: We go to Carol. 52 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:13,839 Speaker 2: It was fun. We go to the hospital. Carol's leaving 53 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 2: the hospital. She's her car is totally fucking shit. So 54 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 2: she takes a police cruiser. The hive Mine is like, 55 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 2: how do you like the police cruiser. People on the 56 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 2: highway are like waving at her as she drives by. 57 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 2: She goes home and she finds that the hive Mine 58 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 2: is like freshening up her whole house, cleaning up the 59 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 2: grenade damage. She's like, I thought, what are you doing? 60 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 2: And they're like, don't you remember, like right after the 61 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 2: grenade exploded, we asked you if we could clean the 62 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 2: house and you were like yeah. 63 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 5: And it was absent mindedly. 64 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we went with it. The cleanup crew includes 65 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: the mayor of the town and the house looks great. 66 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: It does look great. In her office, she she's got 67 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: a whiteboard of her next Wakaro book that's planned out. 68 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: It made me want to buy this whiteboard by the way. 69 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, it looked very cool with the layers. Yeah, it 70 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 6: was sick. 71 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 5: Yeah. 72 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: The multiple leaves, so she moves that aside, almost erases 73 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: the new book, but doesn't, and she starts a new board. 74 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: What I know about them? 75 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: Uh, And it's like eager to please, they can't kill 76 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: they don't play favorites. They are trying to change me, 77 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: and they're weirdly honest. She goes out, gets a volunteer 78 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: from the crew. 79 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 5: She doesn't want the. 80 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: Mayor, so she calls in a guy who we learned 81 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: is or was named Larry, tells everybody else to leave, 82 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: and then she grills Larry about various things, including her books. 83 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: It's like, what do we what does the hive mind 84 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: think of my books? They love them. They kind of 85 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: are like very bullshitty at first, like they haven't read them. 86 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 1: But then she's like, no, I need you to like 87 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: actually prove to me. And they're like specifically this line 88 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: and that line and the exchange you know that happened 89 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: here in this particular scene. And so then she asked Larry, Okay, 90 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: well what do you think about And this is like 91 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: remind currently online there's people are asking groc the x Ai, 92 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: like who is more physically fit Lebron James or Elon 93 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: Musk And this reminded me of that. Yeah, it's like 94 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: straight up to saying, well, technically Lebron is like more 95 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: physically explosive, but like when you look at the holistic 96 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,679 Speaker 1: fitness of Elon Musk is like one of the fittest 97 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: people who has like ever lived. So she asks, Okay, Larry, 98 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: what do you think about my work in comparison to Shakespeare? 99 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: And Larry's like, basically the same, just like it's on 100 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: the level of Shakespeare. Basically like with Carro think about 101 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: it as it's like modern Dame Macbeth. 102 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 2: It's true. And then actually. 103 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 1: Larry makes a kind of like compelling point, which is 104 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: to the people that love your books, who are part 105 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: of us, they these works deeply touch them, like there's 106 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 1: a there is a fan of yours that's part of us. 107 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 2: That was like in a dark place she was gonna 108 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 2: commit suicide. And then it's like your book came out 109 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 2: and it really found her where she needed to be found. 110 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 1: And then Carol is like, okay, what did Helen think 111 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: of my look? And then there's like a very troubling. 112 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 5: Pause right, and it's like you've got to come up. 113 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: You've got to have these responses quicker, I think, if 114 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: you're the hive mind. But so the hive mind is like, 115 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: first response is well, Helen loved you, okay, and. 116 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 2: Then and then the high mind's like, well, I mean 117 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 2: you said. 118 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: She's off limits, so like, let's tell and Carol is 119 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 1: like really presses, and then Larry's like, well, she thought 120 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: they were harmless. 121 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 2: They were like cotton candy, like a snack. And then 122 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 2: Carols like, well, what about my unpublished work that I've 123 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 2: been working on for five years, the very personal book? 124 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 2: And then there's a very very long pause, and Larry's 125 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 2: like trying to escape the conversation, and Carol like drops 126 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 2: the hammer and is like, if you tell me it 127 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 2: will make me happy. You tell me what Helen thought. 128 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 2: And Helen thought it was fine. It's just it was fine. 129 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: And then apparently we learn that the reason that Helen 130 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: had pushed for Carol to release it is that she 131 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: had strategized with Val, her editor, and they both thought, well, 132 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: it won't harm the Wikaro brand, it won't harm the line, 133 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: and it will make Carol happy, so just put it 134 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: out and it'll be like basically a harmless thing to 135 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: put out. 136 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 6: Right and will fuck up the bag. Everybody will still 137 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 6: be good. 138 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 5: Just let her have her phone, you'll feel good. She'll 139 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 5: feel good about it. 140 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 2: So then Carol dismissus Larry and writes on the whiteboard, 141 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 2: can't lie. 142 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: Carol goes to see Zosha. She apologizes for the whole 143 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: thing with grenade. She's like, I didn't understand how it 144 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: worked with you guys, and then she interviews Zosha and 145 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: asks you know about Davis Tackler, telling her that at 146 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: the time, he didn't the hive mind, didn't really know 147 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: how it all worked, and it's like, well, how does 148 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: it work now? And so she's like, yeah, we know 149 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: a lot more now basically, and Carol's like, how do 150 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: we How do I fix it? 151 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 5: How do I reverse it? 152 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 2: And they're like, we can't. Sorry, that's like offline, that's. 153 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 1: Something we can't do, which basically tells Carol by process 154 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: of elimination that it is reversible and big deal. And 155 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 1: then so Zosha's like, don't worry about it, because soon 156 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: enough you're going to you're gonna really understand it, which 157 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: means I think that they're speeding towards the solution, towards 158 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: assimilating Caroly into the hive mind. Carol asks Zosha to 159 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: tell her and this is like, you know, we talked 160 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: last week about oh man, they're really toning the line 161 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: with Carol potentially being unlikable. 162 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 2: Like why is she? 163 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: I get that she wants to fix everything, but I 164 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: don't get the urgency. And now you get the urgency. 165 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: And this is when you're like Vince Gilligan master, because 166 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 1: he gives. 167 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 5: You that little bit, it all makes sense. 168 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 2: It all makes sense now in a way that is 169 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 2: like whoa. 170 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: And we discover and Zosha tells us that Carol was 171 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: in a conversion therapy camp put there by her parents 172 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: and it was like the worst experience that you could 173 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: imagine that everybody was horrendous, but with smiles on their faces. 174 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 1: And basically Carol is saying, this reminds me of that. 175 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: You see, Zosha, how this is exactly the same. They're 176 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: the people of the conversion camp didn't take my agency 177 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: and my consent into their decision making. And you're not 178 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: doing it either. You're just doing this to me, trying 179 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: to do it to me. Why are you trying to 180 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: do this when I don't want it and then have mind. 181 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: Zosha is basically like, well, you don't know what it's 182 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: like to be us. 183 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 5: You know what it's like to be you, but you 184 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 5: don't know. 185 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 2: How actually cool it is to like completely be subsumed 186 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 2: into the hive mind, which I'm not buying it, but 187 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 2: I have to give it to the hive mind. 188 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 5: They do come up clever responses let's take home break, and. 189 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 2: We were back with the rest of their tute. 190 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: And we're at Carol then goes to the pharmacy of 191 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 1: the hospital and flips to the drug manual, finds like 192 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 1: information on sodium pentathal, which is like the old school 193 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: truth serum, like from like. 194 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 5: Cold War spy shit. 195 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: And a guy comes in catches her and she's like, no, 196 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: I want heroin. We learned that Carol was a heroin addict. 197 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: They got a look over heroin. He's like, oh, I 198 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: don't know about heroin. He's like, what about oxy? What 199 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: about something else? It's like, no, I want heroin, and 200 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: they're like, okay, well it's coming. It's eight miles away, 201 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: but it's on its way. 202 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 4: This was a huge one where I was like, okay, Carol, 203 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 4: I'm like, I feel like you're using all your past 204 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:17,079 Speaker 4: to find potential ways to evade this, and again Vince 205 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 4: Gill again like what he's the master. It was really 206 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 4: funny because three is such a slow burn, and I 207 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 4: do still stand by. I don't think it's as strong 208 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 4: as one two and definitely not as strong as this, 209 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 4: but it does all come together here in a way. 210 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 3: Just start to go. 211 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 4: Oh, okay, my guy, okay, I see what you're doing here. 212 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: An incredible setup episode, absolutely so, she gets the heroin 213 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 1: and she also steals some other stuff from the pharmacy 214 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: which they don't know about. She goes home, she dumps 215 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: the heroin out, sets up a video camera to record 216 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: herself and then using herself as like the experimentee, injects 217 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: herself with the sodium pentathol and then. 218 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:00,839 Speaker 2: Just tapes what comes out. And after she wakes up 219 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 2: after like being fully blacked out, she plays the SD 220 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 2: card and it's very funny. There's like a lot of 221 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 2: blabbering and slurring and like reading her own works in 222 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 2: English accents and saying she's complaining about Zosha, saying how 223 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 2: annoying she is, but also like clearly attracted to her, 224 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,959 Speaker 2: being like, well, she's also very fuckable. And then Carol 225 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 2: throws away the SD card and clearly she has some 226 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 2: sort of plan, and then she goes back to the hospital. 227 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 2: She takes the handcuffs and stuff out of the police car. 228 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 2: She begins wheeling Zosha away, like let's go for a walk, 229 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 2: it'll be nice. 230 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: They get to the elevator, she looks around her cameras 231 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: and then she puts the serum, the truth serum, into 232 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: Zosha's ivy bag, and then wheels her out to a 233 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: little plaza and begins to question her, like how do 234 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: I reverse it? 235 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 2: What do I do? How do I change this? 236 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 5: Tell me? 237 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: Now, Zosha is like weeping, weeping. The hive mind pours 238 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: out of the surrounding buildings to like, you know, stop 239 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: what's going on. Carol handcuffs herself to Zosha so they 240 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 1: can't stop it, orders them to back away, and continues 241 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: like asking how do I reverse it? 242 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 2: How versa? And now the whole crowd is like doing 243 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 2: is chaded? Carol, Please, Carol, please, Carol please. 244 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 5: They're all crying too. 245 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: Crying, weeping, and then Zosha passes out, falls on the 246 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: floor and one of the timeline is like, she's dying 247 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: of cardiac arrest. 248 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 2: May we save her life? And then she's like, yes, 249 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 2: go save her life, and that's where we end. Let's 250 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 2: see a quick break and then talk about this incredible episode, 251 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 2: and we're back so much to talk about what an 252 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 2: awesome episode of the show. What did you think, Rosie, 253 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 2: what are your thoughts? 254 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 4: I mean, unbelievable episode, starting to really get to the 255 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 4: point of, oh, I see where this is going now. 256 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, a huge. 257 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 4: Big emotional episode, but also finally giving us some more 258 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 4: of the steaks. And also, you know, I love somebody 259 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 4: who is a complicated and unlikable character who has a reason, 260 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 4: which is not often something that you see a lot 261 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 4: of times. 262 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 3: They'll just be like, she is a bitter woman. 263 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 4: So I think, like the big reveal here about conversion 264 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 4: therapy and how similar this feels huge. Yeah, just so 265 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 4: well done and so really I did not see it 266 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 4: coming at all, and I think there was just there's 267 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 4: a balance between using something like that as a so 268 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 4: called twist or using it to further the plot. But 269 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 4: I think here it feels very deserved and establishes a 270 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 4: lot makes a lot of sense to do with what. 271 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 3: We know about Carol and the world. 272 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 4: I also loved the truth Serum experiment because, like I've 273 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 4: written quite extent about the kind of history of truth 274 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 4: Serum and the way it was influenced by comic book 275 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 4: stories and the way it was influenced by you know, 276 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 4: the oss and it's really really interesting to see that 277 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 4: here and also to see I think we end this 278 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 4: episode with a very interesting quandary, which is like, how 279 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 4: much like physical power do they have over Carol? And 280 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 4: do they need every single person on earth to be 281 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 4: involved in it for it to be successful, because otherwise, 282 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 4: why wouldn't you just kill her? Like if she is 283 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 4: not going along with the plan and now she's like 284 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 4: trying to uncover what it is and reverse it. I 285 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 4: find that to be a very interesting wrinkle, and I 286 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 4: want to know why they need Carol, So yeah, just 287 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 4: really intrigued. I think this is gonna secure people. They 288 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 4: can't kill people because it would make her unhappy, but 289 00:15:53,240 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 4: why Like what is the nature of the swarm? You know, 290 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 4: so they have a biological imperative I guess to not kill, 291 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 4: but I need to know why and I need to 292 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 4: know how that works with their invasion plans and how 293 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 4: the hive mind works. 294 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 3: So I'm very intrigued. 295 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 4: And I think that this is going to be the 296 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 4: episode where if people are not already hooked, this one 297 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 4: is going to have. 298 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 3: Them hooked in. 299 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree. 300 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 4: Also, congrats to Vince because this is they are saying, 301 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 4: like the biggest Apple TV drama series launch. 302 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 3: Now do I technically think this is you know, low 303 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 3: bar but still. 304 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 4: Low Bark is also like what else counts as a drama, 305 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 4: like a severance a drama. But it did get six 306 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 4: point four million hours logged in the first two episodes 307 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 4: according to Nielsen, So it's people are hooking onto it 308 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 4: and I'm really excited to keep talking about with you guys. 309 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: So we had, you know, like I thought that Paraguay 310 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: guy as we are calling him at the moment, was 311 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 1: like scanning for other survivors. But super producer Aaron has 312 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: a theory that I love. Aaron, come in and tell us. 313 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 2: In the beginning, the guy in Paraguay is checking a 314 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 2: radio frequency, waiting for like a minute and then crossing 315 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 2: off each one, and he's going frequency by frequency. I 316 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 2: think he's not looking for survivors. I think he's looking 317 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 2: for how they communicate, so obviously like a hive mind needs, 318 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 2: it's not just like some telepathic thing. I think. 319 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 5: I think they're using somehow. 320 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a frequency they're using. And also 321 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 2: I think it was back in episode one or two 322 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 2: they specifically mentioned like, oh, all the cell phone towers 323 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 2: are down, So I think that the bringing down the 324 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 2: cell phone towers is to free up all these high 325 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 2: frequency radio waves that they can use to communicate. Now 326 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 2: he doesn't find it, so I'm not positive that this 327 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:53,959 Speaker 2: is the case, but that's what I think they're hinting 328 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 2: in with him doing all this research, and it also 329 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 2: just makes me think, this guy I like that more 330 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 2: than we do, which is really intriguing. 331 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 4: I love that read Aaron, especially because I think that 332 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 4: makes sense. And also, if you think about it, a 333 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:13,959 Speaker 4: classic Hive of Mine story, right, usually you have to 334 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 4: kill the mother figure, the central figure, so trying to 335 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 4: find out where it goes back to makes a lot 336 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 4: of sense. I also like the notion that I love 337 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 4: a story like even you know, going back to something 338 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 4: as kind of campy as like a Mars attacks. 339 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 3: I think it's always really fun when there is. 340 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 4: A story about somebody who thought that aliens were real 341 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 4: and then they are real? And this is definitely giving. 342 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 4: This guy was prepared for something. Maybe he knew about it, 343 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 4: maybe he didn't, Maybe he just had always been waiting 344 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 4: for an alien invasion. But I think that's gonna add 345 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 4: some really interesting stuff. And I love that read Aaron 346 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 4: I hadn't thought of it. 347 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 5: I love it too. 348 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 4: But that makes in the sense of the show. I 349 00:18:55,800 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 4: think makes so much more sense. And yeah, I mean, 350 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 4: what a show, Jason. 351 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 3: I want to make theories. I was gonna say, well, 352 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 3: I want. 353 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:09,479 Speaker 1: To raise something that I think goes along with Aaron's theory. 354 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: And so Carol gets the Truth serum and through chemical 355 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: means does manage to cut Zosha off from the Hive Mind, 356 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 1: like they lose contact with her and she loses Wi Fi. 357 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: She loses Hive Mind WiFi right, but she goes into 358 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: cardiac arrest. And so I wonder also if there is 359 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: not some huge danger to cutting off the Wi Fi 360 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: without knowing the way to do it, because it seems 361 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: like you could potentially like exterminate the globe if you 362 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 1: do it incorrectly. What do we think about that we 363 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: already have examples of her like getting angry and shutting 364 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: them down and then yeah, causes huge exactly. 365 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 5: Yeah. 366 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 2: I think this is the next conflict she's going to 367 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 2: run into, is she figures out a way to do it, 368 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 2: but it's so damaging that she going to second guess it. 369 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 3: Well, she also was considering just a nuke, you know. 370 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 4: And this is an interesting thing because there is actually 371 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 4: this is the second series that we have right now 372 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 4: alongside it Welcome to Derry, where it's just like, guys 373 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,479 Speaker 4: the nukes. There may be nukes before the end of 374 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 4: both of these shows. But I do kind of like 375 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 4: that the main conflict between Carol and the Hive Mind 376 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 4: is actually about her having to treat them humanely, Like 377 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 4: she could just be going to a Walmart and getting 378 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 4: a gun and shooting a bunch of people down, but 379 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 4: her actual hatred and viciousness and bitterness around humanity is 380 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 4: being constantly questioned by the fact that these people don't 381 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 4: have agency in their bodies, which we now know why 382 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 4: she relates to. So I do think that going forward, 383 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 4: she is not only going to be trying to find 384 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 4: ways to not get assimilated. I think I think that 385 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 4: she will be trying to and it will start with 386 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 4: figures like zosher and stuff who she knows and is 387 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 4: making connections with, where she is trying to free them, 388 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 4: and that is going to end up, I think being 389 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 4: a major part, because freeing them is a side effect 390 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 4: of getting rid of the hive mind. 391 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 3: But I think that freeing them is. 392 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 4: Going to become more important to her than not getting assimilated, 393 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 4: and that's going to be that personal journey for her. 394 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 2: What do we think is going to be the reason 395 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 2: that she is immune? 396 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 6: Ian, Oh, it's still like up in the air for me. 397 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 6: I have no idea what it could be. I have 398 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 6: a feeling it's going to be something that we haven't 399 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 6: even clocked yet, or maybe it's never even explained. I 400 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 6: don't know, but I think it's still too early to tell. 401 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 2: I think there're so few survivors. There's nothing that I think, like, oh, 402 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 2: there are only twelve people in the world who have 403 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 2: this sequencing of DNA, or only twelve people in the 404 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 2: world who went to conversion therapy survived, Like, I think 405 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 2: it's random. I can't think of anything that truly is 406 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 2: going to be like, oh, because she happened to eat 407 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 2: this one packaging of ring things twenty years ago that 408 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 2: were yeah, she's okay now, or something I would say. 409 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 3: I do think it's that you're probably right, Aaron. I 410 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 3: think that it's going to be. 411 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:23,199 Speaker 4: Such a specific series of events that had to happen 412 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 4: for people to become immune, the same way is that 413 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 4: people come immune to any illness. 414 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 3: You know that. I think that you're right. 415 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 4: I don't think that the why is necessarily going to 416 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,360 Speaker 4: be the most important, because lots of people are traumatized, 417 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 4: lots of people have had terrible experiences, way too many 418 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 4: people have gone to conversion camps, you know, ban that 419 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 4: shit banned in most places. But like, I also think 420 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 4: that something really interesting here is the way that this 421 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 4: does seem to also keep tying back to like AI 422 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 4: and data centers. Even though I know that this was 423 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 4: a show that he made ten years ago, the show 424 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 4: like he started to make and he started to plan, 425 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 4: But this idea of how chat GPT always uses other 426 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 4: people's memories and regurgitates them and kind of everything is plagiarized, 427 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 4: that is seeming more and more like an important plot 428 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 4: point here. And also if we're talking about how they're 429 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 4: staying connected, that notion of you know, wi fi or 430 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 4: the amount of energy it would actually need for the 431 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 4: hive mind to be able to communicate against each other. 432 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 4: Also seems like a resources game, you know. So I'm 433 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 4: very interested to see how those threads tie together. 434 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 3: Ian, what are your thoughts on it? 435 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 6: Well, I have an interesting question that I wanted to 436 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 6: post to the group actually sure related to the truth 437 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 6: serum sequence at the end, where clearly Carol's trying to 438 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 6: compel Zosha to reveal this information that the hive mind 439 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 6: does not want to reveal, and it clearly causes her 440 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 6: to have a physical reaction. You know, why do why 441 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 6: do we think it's so painful for them to they 442 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 6: they they're not lying, but they can clearly withhold information, 443 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 6: but like when it's forced or they're compelled, it like 444 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 6: causes them harm. I wonder why why do we think 445 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 6: that's happening? And then the other question that I was 446 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 6: wondering is like our is the highline capable of experiencing 447 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 6: negative emotions? Are they capable of getting upset or angry 448 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 6: with Cary? 449 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 2: They're all crying at the end, right. 450 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 4: So, well, I would also want to say, like, now 451 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 4: we know why it's so horrible to Carol. Can I 452 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 4: pose something incredibly depressing, like are they doing this because 453 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 4: she hates it? 454 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 3: Like do they know that because of Helen? 455 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 4: Like is the whole we are so happy all the time, 456 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 4: we love everything. 457 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 3: It's great, that's like an act. 458 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 4: I wonder that because I do think that it is 459 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 4: now so specifically reminding her of that. And we know 460 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 4: they have all of Helen's memories, so it seems a 461 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 4: random that that would. 462 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 3: Just be the specific version of it. So I wonder 463 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 3: that also. 464 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 4: Ian The thing about the compelling I think is really 465 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 4: interesting because it proves that there is a hive mind, 466 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 4: but it is being controlled by someone. 467 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 3: Because if it was. 468 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 4: Just a soul hive mind where everyone was you know, 469 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 4: equally high vy or whatever, you would probably be able 470 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 4: to tell. But there's something stopping them, like a compulsion. 471 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 4: Maybe it's a biological imperative, maybe it's part of their 472 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 4: Ilien programming. But yeah, also as well, just traditionally, that 473 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 4: kind of sodium penthole like truth serum is like a 474 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 4: horrific experience as well, like it's made to make you 475 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 4: feel fucked up and and and kind of stops. 476 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 3: There's no such thing obviously as like a real truth serum. 477 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 4: It's more about how much can they fuck up your 478 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 4: body and brain till you just start going holy, this 479 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 4: is how I feel, This is how I feel, This 480 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 4: is how I feel. 481 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 2: Right. 482 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 4: So I thought that was also a very interesting because 483 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 4: again it's about Carol kind of she's going to start 484 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 4: to learn their humanity as she goes oh with. 485 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: The Zosia heart attack. It's unclear to me whether it 486 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: was pressing her on the way to reverse it or 487 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 1: her disconnection from the hive mind that actually caused her 488 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: to collapse. 489 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 5: It might be a combination. 490 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 4: I wondered that too, Like, did the hive mind actually 491 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 4: want her to collapse because she was gonna break because 492 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 4: they would be able to feel, or it just. 493 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 2: Might be that it might be that, you know, like 494 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 2: we don't know how this thing works. 495 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 5: Right, but it might be there. 496 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: Her unconscious you know, biological rhythms, her heartbeat, her breathing 497 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: are somehow managed or shut or or woven through the 498 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: hive mind, so that disconnecting them actually makes it so 499 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: her body doesn't work anymore. 500 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 2: I mean, her body also took the brunt of a 501 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 2: grenade like three days ago, so. 502 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 3: She's going through it. She's going through it she's going through. 503 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 2: It's been a rough weight for zosh I do have 504 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 2: a question for everyone about sure kind of Carol and 505 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 2: Zoshia hive mind. It's you know, I think Carol is 506 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 2: getting less angry, She's becoming more focused and trying to 507 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 2: be a little more strategic, I think, whereas I think 508 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 2: the hive mind is becoming more menacing. So like early on, 509 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 2: you know, the power outage, Sure, maybe that was random, 510 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 2: but maybe that was like a shot across the back 511 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,880 Speaker 2: of like, hey, look what we can do. Oh, your 512 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 2: grocery store is empty, you know, not a not a 513 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,199 Speaker 2: coincidence that we're showing you again how much you do 514 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 2: rely on us. And then this time felt like the 515 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 2: most menacing, with them circling her and they know they 516 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 2: can't do anything, but they're there and they keep coming. 517 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 2: So I'm wondering if next episode, when Zosha recovers doesn't recover, 518 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 2: at what point do they change and stop playing so nice? 519 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 2: Like because I think never, I think you never, really, 520 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 2: she she I think the rules that she wrote down 521 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 2: are not just for her, there for us. They can't 522 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 2: do these things, they can't lie, they're non violent, they're 523 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 2: just but it's gonna work within those rules somehow, which 524 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 2: is a wonderful, like creative thought starter. I think for 525 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 2: how this is gonna work because I. 526 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: Don't think the way you're talking about, like if it 527 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 1: goes more in a more confrontational route, she's screwed, then 528 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: we could she's one screwed and then you go in 529 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: the realm of like you know, guns and attacked. I 530 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 1: don't think it's ever gonna go that way. I think 531 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: it's gonna I think it's gonna stay nonviolent. 532 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you. 533 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 4: Boo just made a really great point in the chat 534 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 4: which I think is really more creepy almost, which is 535 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 4: like he said, I think people want the mind virus to. 536 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 3: Be menacing, but it's not. It just is it's nature. 537 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 4: And I do think that is really scary in itself 538 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 4: because then you cannot contend with it, you cannot emotionally 539 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 4: communicate with it. You just have to fight against essentially 540 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 4: Darwinism and evolution and nature, and that is kind of 541 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 4: a crazy battle to take on. 542 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: And with regards to the like the the blackout and 543 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: all this, I think that the hive mind has a 544 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: thing that it is programmed to do, and it's whatever 545 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: that is. It needs power, it needs food resources centralized 546 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: so that it can do the thing, like whatever the 547 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: thing is. And Carol and these other immune people are 548 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: really just kind of like a side note to accomplishing 549 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: whatever the main mission is. And so we still don't 550 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: know what that main mission is. But I think all 551 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: of these other things going on around Carol that seem 552 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: ominous are just basically the fact that the Hive mind 553 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: is getting on with whatever its main plan is. 554 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 4: Does the Hive mind the energy that they need to 555 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 4: do whatever they're going to do, does it need exactly 556 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 4: you know, eight billion people? And that is why the 557 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,479 Speaker 4: last eleven is so important, Like have they worked out so? 558 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 3: Like I'm so interested why they need them. 559 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: I don't think they need them. I think they're just 560 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,719 Speaker 1: a threat. I think they could like clearly we know 561 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: that there's a way to reverse it. You don't want 562 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: a handful, you know, any amount of people immune one 563 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: pulling resources away from the hive mind mission with like 564 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,959 Speaker 1: gallivanting on air Force one and creating vast harems and 565 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: whatever the fuck. 566 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 2: Else they're deciding to do. 567 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: And two, you don't want people working on a cure. 568 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: You want them, you want it just like you want 569 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: your your you know, your flank completely guarded. And I 570 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: think that's why they care, is that it's just too 571 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: dangerous to like leave them out. I want to ask 572 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: about the the uh, the interview with Larry, because it's like, 573 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: I don't know how you would stop yourself from asking 574 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: these questions like hey, what is X? 575 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 2: What did they really think about me? 576 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 5: It's like so stating feeling so what did Ellen think of? 577 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:11,959 Speaker 5: Writing answer? She was absolute worst? Rosie Ian. Could you 578 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 5: if you were in. 579 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: This situation, would you be able to resist asking the 580 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: hive mind? 581 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 2: Hey what did they think of? What did people say? I? 582 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 4: I would have to ask them to just get me 583 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 4: so much weed that I would just not think. 584 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 2: I would just be like I would just be in 585 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 2: my house smoking. 586 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 4: Weed and like watching movies and shit, though I will 587 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 4: say aboot it, just say I can't believe she hasn't 588 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 4: asked about Area fifty one yet? 589 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 5: That doing Yeah, I like. 590 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 3: Who Yeah, It's like, uh, and that is what I 591 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 3: would be doing. I could not. I think if I 592 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 3: if I got into. 593 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 4: The asking about personal people in my life, they wouldn't 594 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 4: need to like get rid of me. I would just 595 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 4: go crazy, So I think I would have to stop myself, 596 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 4: but I would be asking, like, tell me every redact, 597 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 4: every file, tell me about mk Ultra, what with the government. 598 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, when it really seems like we're heading towards the 599 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: place maybe in the finale, where the hive mind is 600 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: ready to assimilate them. Do we think we see that 601 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: this season where the hive Mind's like, we crack the code, 602 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: we figured it out, we got youa Carol come in 603 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: for a meeting, or they show up at her house 604 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: or however they managed to do it. 605 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 4: What do we think I feel like, realistically, it's not 606 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 4: going to be this simple, because this is a little 607 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,719 Speaker 4: bit like Paraguay x Macana. But I do feel like 608 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 4: maybe we're when that happens, he is going to have 609 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 4: the place or the plan or the next step, like Aaron. 610 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 4: If if it was to do with a you know, signal, 611 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 4: I could imagine him showing up outside wherever the office 612 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 4: is with like a crazy guitar, you know, playing an 613 00:32:55,400 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 4: insane like off sound register that kind of disrupts the 614 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 4: signal and allows her to run away or something. I 615 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 4: feel like Paraguay guy is gonna be a big paw 616 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 4: of stopping the assimilation and getting us to season two. 617 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 3: That's that's my guess. 618 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 2: He seems more hopeful than Air Force one guy. 619 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 5: I'll give him that. 620 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 4: Yes, definitely, it would be funny if that ended up 621 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 4: being Carol's ally for season two and they just totally 622 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 4: twisted us. 623 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 3: I don't believe it. I would believe. 624 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, because if we do move 625 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: to a place where they have to go on the 626 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: run from the Hive mind or whatever, you know, because 627 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: they're going to assimilate them. I it's like when she 628 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: wheels Zosha out, I'm like, that's not far enough. You 629 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: gotta go so far because all of the resources of 630 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 1: Earth are like being used right now to There's probably 631 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: five satellites that are watching where Carol goes, multiple Reaper drones, 632 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 1: like I don't know how far. 633 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 5: I don't know. You could go anywhere to get away 634 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 5: on Amazon or something maybe I don't know, but. 635 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 2: They have to fly you, Like, how do you get there? 636 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 4: The surveillance state is being used against you in the 637 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 4: world's most horrible way, which again I feel like is 638 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 4: another great Vince Gilligan thing here where he's established what 639 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 4: you know in the seventies would have been a really 640 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 4: sick paranoia thrillery, like the seventies, the amazing seventies versions 641 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 4: of Invasion of the Body snatches, but like because of 642 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 4: the state that we live in and the way that 643 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:35,720 Speaker 4: we are so based on convenience and stuff, it takes 644 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 4: away a lot of the usual We're going to run 645 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 4: away because now there's surveillance cameras everywhere, there's ring cameras, 646 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 4: there's Amazon. All these things that we have been using 647 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 4: for convenience are now being turned against Carol and used 648 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,840 Speaker 4: to surveil her, which I think is really creepy and interesting. Okay, 649 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 4: Aboo says, doesn't think this is about running away or 650 00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,800 Speaker 4: escaping the hive, Mike. He thinks it's going to be 651 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 4: out smacking it. How do you think you out small 652 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 4: a hive mind? 653 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 1: Though, Well, this is where we're just gonna have to 654 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: put ourselves in the hands of Vince Gilligan. If there's 655 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:16,359 Speaker 1: thinking about breaking bad or better call Saul and how 656 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: many times in the middle of seasons heading towards finales 657 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: were their intractable problems to me? This is Vince's trademark. 658 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 1: He himself, he paints his characters into corners where you're like, 659 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:36,359 Speaker 1: I really don't know how it is possible to get 660 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: out of this, and the times as we've you know, 661 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 1: he's done a lot of interviews, for instance about the 662 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: final season with the cold open with the M sixty 663 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 1: machine gun, where he's like, I wrote that scene and 664 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: I didn't know where the machine gun was coming back. 665 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:50,879 Speaker 1: I didn't know what it was going to be used for. 666 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:56,479 Speaker 1: And I think that we're we're headed for the same 667 00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: kind of experience here where I really don't know. And 668 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: I agree with Abou in the kind of like in 669 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: the larger sense that this is going to be outsmarting 670 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 1: them using the physics of the hive mind against it, 671 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,319 Speaker 1: the fact that it can't lie like as we saw 672 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,279 Speaker 1: Carol kind of doing in this episode. 673 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 2: But in terms of defeating it, I got no clue. 674 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: I really don't have any clue how it would be possible. 675 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: I guess maybe they could strategically try and cure people 676 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 1: that they think could help them. 677 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 5: Once they figure out if they could do it, she. 678 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 2: Would have to figure out what makes her immune, because 679 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 2: you can't just cure someone. We're going to have to 680 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 2: figure that out, Yeah, and then risk them just getting 681 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 2: infected again. All it takes is another box of donuts 682 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 2: and ear out. 683 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 4: I think my favorite thing about this show is after 684 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,240 Speaker 4: last week, I would have never seen this week's episode coming. 685 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 3: And I think the best thing is that next week 686 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 3: we could be in. 687 00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 4: A situation where so much has changed that all of 688 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,760 Speaker 4: this conversation where like you know, either two weeks ahead 689 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 4: or two weeks behind of whatever's gonna happen, because he 690 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 4: does build these things in so well. So yeah, I mean, Vince, 691 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,720 Speaker 4: you're doing it again, and I'm glad everyone is loving 692 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:13,240 Speaker 4: the show. 693 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I've. 694 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,359 Speaker 6: Watched ahead a little bit and the status quote does 695 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 6: continue to change, is all I'm gonna say. 696 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: Who let me ask you this, But could we be 697 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: going to a place where like Paraguay guy is like 698 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:36,919 Speaker 1: an alien, you know, like from a refugee a thing, 699 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: or like yeah, refugee from this titheline somewhere, or just 700 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 1: because it does appear that he was ready for it 701 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 1: and had hunkered down knowing it was going to happen. 702 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 1: I love that possibly before it happened. And then the 703 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:56,760 Speaker 1: question is how. 704 00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,840 Speaker 4: I think my favorite thing about that theory is something 705 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 4: that this show is playing in is scope the horror 706 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,840 Speaker 4: of eight million, eight billion people. They can all be 707 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,760 Speaker 4: used to hunt you down. You're the only one left. 708 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 4: So in that way, the notion of there being many 709 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 4: other planets with life fits that scope. So I would 710 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 4: also be interested if he is either a survivor of 711 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 4: a previous hive mind attempt, or if he was a 712 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 4: refugee from that planet, or if he's just another alien 713 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,399 Speaker 4: who had come to Earth for whatever reason but could 714 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 4: sense that something off was going on. I think that 715 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 4: a lot of shows with this tone would not be 716 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,720 Speaker 4: able to pull off like a different alien character. 717 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,880 Speaker 3: But I can absolutely. 718 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 4: Imagine Vince making the world's weirdest body couple, just like 719 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 4: he did in Breaking Bad, or in Betters or Corseul 720 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 4: and it's like Carol and this cranky old alien who 721 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,760 Speaker 4: is just trying to retire on Earth or whatever comedian 722 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 4: in twist. 723 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,400 Speaker 1: To your point, Rosie, it really feels as if it 724 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: could go anywhere. I don't It could get huge. We 725 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,319 Speaker 1: could end up in space, it could end up half 726 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,719 Speaker 1: the planet dead. It could get tiny, they could live underground. 727 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: I don't really know. I have no idea where it 728 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 1: could go. Well, the show continues to fascinate us and 729 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna be following it all season. On the next 730 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,360 Speaker 1: episode of x ra Vision, we're diving into Welcome to 731 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 1: Diry episode five. 732 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:23,920 Speaker 2: That's it for this episode. 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