1 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: I'm grabbing a great week. Everyone. Welcome to Between the 2 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: Horns and presented by your Southern California Toyta Dealers, crowd 3 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: partner of the La Rams. I'm jab Long, joined by 4 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 1: my radio broadcast partners de Marco Farr and Maurice Jones, 5 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: Drew and JD. What's this week entail for you? Before 6 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: the Rams take on the Jacksonville Jaguar, Well, Jabe, because 7 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: it's my old team, man, there's a lot of interviews. 8 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: I've been talking with Jacksonville all week, you know, trying 9 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: to figure out what they think the Rams are going 10 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: to do and how they can be better. And you know, 11 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: it's cold up here in the Bay Area, so I've 12 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: been trying to stay as warm as possible. I'm still 13 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:44,599 Speaker 1: trying to thaw out, but it's not helping that it's 14 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 1: like thirty degrees here. So and DeMarco, it is now December, 15 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: so I understand you have an assignment today on the 16 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: family front. I will have a Christmas tree tied to 17 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: the roof of my car by five pm today or 18 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: I don't have a house. That's a good chore. After 19 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: we finished with our conversation, and of course, on this 20 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: edition between the Horns. We're gonna take a deep dive 21 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: and know what's ailing the Rams and how to fix it. 22 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: Some of the show can be about the Jacks, certainly, 23 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: but I think we would all agree that Week thirteen 24 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: has far more to do about La coming back home 25 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: for the first time in a month. And we're going 26 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: to attack the macro where they are in terms of 27 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: the playoff picture. But let's start with the micro and offense, 28 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: defense special teams. We can take this in any direction 29 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: you want to go to begin with Marco, I'll let 30 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: you lead off for us. Feel free to pick a 31 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: topic and offer any suggestions from outside the building that 32 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: you care to contribute. This is still a good roster, 33 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: but this good roster isn't playing that well right now. 34 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: This is still a new football team. When you think 35 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: about the additions, there are still people getting to know 36 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: each other. You know, it takes time to become a 37 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: good football team, a team to build chemistry. I mean, 38 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: you have to go through reps in practice, you have 39 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: to go through hours of video. You have to eat together, 40 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: you have to you know, get dressed together, so to speak. 41 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: So this is a new football team coming from Halloween 42 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: till now when you add Von Miller and then you 43 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 1: add Odell Beckham Junior, and then you lose a Robert 44 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: Woods on top of that. So this is a team 45 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: that's still trying to figure itself out in the in 46 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: the last three weeks. The problem is, no one's gonna 47 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:21,839 Speaker 1: feel sorry for you. In the National Football League, They're 48 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: coming for ws. WS are very important. So what you 49 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: just saw in Green Bay I think was symptomatic of 50 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: the week before versus San Francisco, versus the week before 51 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: versus Tennessee. I think there's some things out there that 52 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: people feel like they can take advantage of. Offensive line 53 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: comes to mind. When you see guys constantly getting walked back, 54 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: or your your run game gets flattened out in key situations, 55 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: that's going to fire up every single defensive front you see. 56 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: And I think you saw that in Green Bay. So, 57 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 1: and we did talk about this something else on BTCH 58 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: quite a bit. Your overreliance on Matthew Stafford, on the 59 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: arm of Matthew Stafford to make plays. Okay, Now, what 60 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: happens when that falters? What steps up? It's got to 61 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: be your defense and your special teams that carries that 62 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: carries the day. Well, your special teams, we can talk 63 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: about it. I think you all saw it. Putt return 64 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: is still an adventure. There's still some issues out there 65 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: on special teams and defensively, I mean sometimes, well Aaron Rodgers, 66 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: the best in the business, just dragged you around the 67 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: field a few times and you couldn't get the ball back. 68 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: So when you're not opportunistic, you're not taking the ball away, 69 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: and you're giving the ball away on special teams, and 70 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: your quarterback is missing a lot more than he's hitting 71 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: in key situations, that spells doom, that spells lost, especially 72 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: on the road. So I think as this team gets better, 73 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: as you get more reps, as you get more hours together, 74 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: this is a good roster. Eventually they're start they'll start 75 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: playing up to par on both sides, on all three phases. 76 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: We'll see. That's a pretty good synopsis. Why don't we 77 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: shut it down and gather again at SOFI Stadium and 78 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: on the Jacksonville Jaguars. Our work her is done. But 79 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: on all serious Maurice, I mean, this is a week 80 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: where there are think pieces being written right about what's 81 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: going on with the Rams. Why they're breaking down here 82 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: again in the Thanksgiving window. Is there anything from maybe 83 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: outside the facility that you think the coaches and the 84 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: players hard at work here at Kyle Lutheran in Thousand 85 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: Oaks aren't already aware of. Not really, I mean, you 86 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: know what you're doing, like this is the thing. As 87 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: an outsider, we only can go off what we see 88 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: on tape. I think DeMarco's said it very eloquently about 89 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 1: you have to fix certain things that you know that 90 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: that's a problem. If you know what's a problem, and 91 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: we know what's a problem, then the whole NFL knows 92 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: is a problem. And I think the number one thing 93 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: and JB we had a long conversation about this yesterday. 94 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: It's the running game, and not only the running game 95 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: in two parts. One the offensive line, like DeMarco said, 96 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 1: they're not getting a lot of push from the offensive line. 97 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: There's a lot of position blocking. And then that situation. 98 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: I think Brian Boldinger kind of talked about that, we've 99 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 1: spoke about that over the last couple of years, that 100 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: you gotta still drive those defensive ends and drive those 101 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: three techniques out so you can create teams. And then 102 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: the other part is the running back. Right, you have 103 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: to run and be physical. And one of the things 104 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: that I've noticed is the Rams aren't the most physical 105 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: team right now. And that's not saying they can't be 106 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: or that they haven't been, but they're not the most 107 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: physical team. And it comes down and when you can't 108 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: get a fourth and one, that's a physicalness that's that's 109 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: not anything else. You have to be physical. And I've 110 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: spoke about this on the broadcast that no matter if 111 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: they don't block anyone on fourth and one, is your 112 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: job as a running back to try to get that. 113 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: There's other times where you know the line and like 114 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: the Marcus that the line is getting pushed back into 115 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: the quarterback. And so with all the other things that 116 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: are being kind of mentioned, with special teams and the 117 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: defense being on the field the whole time, and all 118 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: these different things that are going on, you can solve 119 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: a lot of it by just being better in the 120 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: running game. I think if you're better in the running game, 121 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: I think when Sean mcvah and his offense has really 122 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: been lights out, they've run the ball really well, and 123 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: they've they've been able to use play action pass as 124 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 1: an avenue and that's allowed them to put up points 125 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 1: which then helps your defense because now they're not playing 126 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 1: from behind right where Aaron Donald's not be able to 127 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: utilize his ability because they're running the ball fifty sixty 128 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: percent of the time of the game. And now a 129 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: team playing from behind where you can get those pass 130 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: rush reps that we saw against Green Bay. They were 131 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: getting to the quarterback when they had the opportunities, but 132 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: there were very few and far between. And then it'll 133 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: help out the special teams as well, because now you're 134 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: special teams is not being leaned on as much to 135 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: have to be that that that side of the ball 136 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 1: that has to make a player has to you know, 137 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 1: pin the offense, backer has to do these different things. 138 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: So I just think, again DeMarco said it best, it's 139 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: it's a lot of new pieces there. You have to 140 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 1: figure it out, and I think they will. And Jamie 141 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: we talked about this yesterday. I think the Rams, once 142 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: they figure it out, they have too many good coaches, 143 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 1: too many good players to not do it. Once they 144 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: figure it out, this league is gonna be on notice. 145 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: Right they'll be nervous to play the Los Angeles Rams, 146 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: But right now they're just not firing on all cylinders. 147 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: A couple of things. One, I sensed an intention to 148 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: get under stenter more and to chip away with that 149 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: running game early coming out of the buy in that 150 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: green Bay contest. Now, because of the game circumstance, that 151 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: got away from you a little bit, but I felt 152 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: like it was there from a game planning standpoint, I'll 153 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: be curious to see what they come back with against 154 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: Jacksonville from an offensive diversity standpoint, and from you know, 155 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: committing to that rushing attack. Though or Reese, I empathize 156 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: with the play caller and his staff in this regard. 157 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: There aren't a lot of pieces to deploy right now, 158 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: at least in that Green Bay game, especially without Ben 159 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: Skarnik having recently lost Robert Woods. They're in a situation 160 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: now where they're starting eleven on offense. Plus Sony Michelle 161 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: essentially played every snap. I mean that they literally played 162 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: the entire game, and for most of it from a 163 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: trailing position. And so my question for this week and 164 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: maybe for the rest of the regular season is who else, 165 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball, but especially on offense, 166 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: who else can give you something? Is there a Bryson 167 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: Hopkins package where he can help you as a second 168 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: tight end. Is there a Kennell Blanton roll where you 169 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: can relieve some of what Tyler Higbee is carrying When 170 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: you do get Ben Scronic back, can he replace some 171 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: of what Robert Woods gave you to marry your run 172 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: and pass even when you're in the gun drop back game. 173 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: Same thing on defense, whether it's Terrell Burgess or Christian 174 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: rose Boom. I'm not saying necessarily just throw in a 175 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: new name to try and get a different result. But 176 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: I look at something like Aaron donald Plaine, you know, 177 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: more than thirty run snaps the last two games against 178 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: San Francisco and Green Bay, and I worry that that 179 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: may not be sustainable for another six games. This is 180 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: a team to me that's going to get in the 181 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: playoff picture. Right now. It looks like there'll be a 182 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: road wild card team. They beat Jacksonville, Arizona stumbles, we 183 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: can we can have a different conversation next week. I'm 184 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,839 Speaker 1: happy to be wrong on that front, but you get 185 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: me this roster, plus maybe you can acres in January 186 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: and I'll take my chances going on the road to 187 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: face any of these NSC opponents. But I think there's 188 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: a little bit of self preservation there in terms of 189 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: using more of your forty eight man and fifty three 190 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: man roster to make sure you get there as close 191 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: to intact as you possibly can. Well, Jabbie, I would 192 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: say this, the Rams are in dire need of a victory, 193 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: right and how do you how do you get a victory? 194 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: You got to play your best players as much as possible. Now, 195 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: if you get a lead, then maybe yes, right against 196 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: the Houston Texans, I don't know if I would have 197 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: pulled everyone out in the fourth quarter. I might have 198 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: would have mixed guys in a little bit, but and 199 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: try to sub more. And I understand where you're coming from. 200 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: But right now, the Rams, you know you're in a 201 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: three game skid and you're you've lost three games. You're 202 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 1: doing whatever you can right now to try to get 203 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: a victory. And I mean, if that means everyone has 204 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 1: to play a hundred snaps every yere, you'll play a 205 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: hundred snaps right like you just you just want to 206 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: get back on that winning way. And I think that's 207 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: kind of what you're seeing right now. And what we've 208 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: seen is just like, hey, look we brought in Odell 209 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: Beckham junior, right we gotta get him going, and it 210 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: seemed like they found a way to kind of get 211 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: him going, but at what costs, right, But he's a 212 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: talented player, so we gotta get him on the field. 213 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: We gotta make it happen. And I just think right 214 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: now that when you're scratching and clawing and doing every 215 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: new think you can to try to get a bigger 216 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: to try and get off this three game losing streak, 217 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: you're not thinking about the playoffs right now. You're thinking 218 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: about today. And I agree with what you're saying, and 219 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: it's probably true again this week against Shacks, able to 220 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: make sure that you do win this upcoming home game 221 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: to help improve your playoff odds. And at Green Bay 222 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 1: that was a different animal, right because you're taking on 223 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: another contender in the NFC, and if you win that game, 224 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: if you find a way with everyone playing of snaps 225 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: to get that win, we're having a different conversation right 226 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,839 Speaker 1: now about what your stakes are and what your options are. 227 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: Having now lost that one, I'm just thinking a little 228 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 1: bit more about playing the long game and managing the 229 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 1: rest of the regular season in the hopes of getting 230 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: the wins, getting into the dance and then making sure 231 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: as much of your current roster as it's constituted is 232 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: fresh and good to go, because it's all too fresh 233 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: in our minds. What happened last year in Green Bay, 234 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 1: for instance, when you made the postseason. You've got a 235 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 1: postseason win, but the roster that you had available to 236 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: it to you when you got to Green Bay for 237 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: that divisional round maybe wasn't wasn't sufficient. Let's doom in 238 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: a little bit on the defense to Marco, and I 239 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: know you've had a chance to digest the film coming 240 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: out the last couple of weeks, but that Green Bay 241 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 1: matchup with Aaron Rodgers in particular, what fine tuning can 242 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: the Rams do on defense to give themselves a better 243 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 1: chance to get off the field in these long drive situations. Wow, 244 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: that's a hard one. Um, You've got to do something 245 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: that inside linebacker, Um, especially against the past. We all 246 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: know what's happening. I think Troy Reader against the run, 247 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: uh is one of the better linebackers out there. The 248 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: guy is willing, he'll stick his nose in and you 249 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: see it when he lined you up he can he 250 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 1: can absolutely bisect you with a with a good hit. 251 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: But in the passing game, I mean in zone coverage, 252 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: they're struggling there. There's there's space there, There's there were 253 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,719 Speaker 1: space for Aaron Rodgers to operate, there were space for 254 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: Garoppolo to operate. There were space, uh for quarterback X, 255 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: Y and Z to operate. That This is nothing new. 256 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: So the game you have to play. If you Rahey 257 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: Morris with inside linebacker, when do you bring in, say 258 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: a tailor rap and line him up in the box 259 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: and say we need you for coverage purposes and kind 260 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: of sacrifice some of your your toughness versus the run 261 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: and vice versa. When do you leave reader in there 262 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: and say we need to guard against the run and 263 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: we'll let some things go in the passing game. But 264 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: you know, against the guy like Aaron Rodgers, he's going 265 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: to make you pay when he finds your weaknesses. He's 266 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: going to keep that weakness on the field and absolutely 267 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: go after it. So if you're right, Hey Morris, what 268 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: do you do? I mean, how do you cover that up? 269 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm never there's a coordinator in the 270 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 1: league that can cover that up. Same for the offense. 271 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: When they're clearly attacking Brian Allen, your center, he's out 272 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: there with one arm or there's clearly something wrong. How 273 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: do you cover that up? If you're Sean McVay, you can't. 274 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: So what you have to hope for is those guys 275 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: play that a little bit better. I don't think you 276 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: can fix it with just a personnel move, especially with 277 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: what's coming off the bench. But that's your problems. Every 278 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: single quarterback, even Jacksonville, is going to look at the 279 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: same things and say, hey, look, we can take advantage 280 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: of this matchup because they have they have and they have, 281 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: So how do you cover that up? I don't know. 282 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: If you're a defensive coordinator, how do you get better 283 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: as a player? Keep working, keep working on your fundamentals, 284 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 1: and know that they're coming after you. So it's going 285 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: to be tough from here on out. When you do 286 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: have good pass rushers, the normal check is to get 287 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: the ball out of the quarterback's hand like that. So 288 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: usually when they do that, they're going for something short. 289 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: With these running backs, how do you fix that? You 290 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: just hope that chord reader can cover the distance before 291 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: the ball gets there. I like the point you make 292 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 1: about there are no more external solutions, right. You're at 293 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,439 Speaker 1: a stage of the season where the trade deadline has passed. 294 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: You know, you spent your capital. The coaches, the players 295 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 1: that are here in this facility are the only ones 296 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: who can make incremental improvements and titan screws to get 297 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: you where you're trying to go. And with the counter 298 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: flipping to December, actually appreciate that Ellen and the tone 299 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: which which with which Matthew Stafford and von Miller and 300 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 1: Sean McBay took to the podium yesterday and articulated some 301 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: of those sentiments like, hey, we're still good with what 302 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 1: we have. It's plenty to get us to our final destination. 303 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: That one other Marca made there, Maurice, that I'd love 304 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: you to address. When you're in deep water, there are 305 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: no secrets. When you're in the middle of the ocean 306 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: and you're kicking for your life, there are no secrets. 307 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: So you know what you have to do and you 308 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: know how they're going to attack you, especially when it 309 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: turns December, Lurice, how about the point that DeMarco just 310 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: made about you know the time to throw right because 311 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: Garoppolo and Aaron Rodgers both you know, they brought that 312 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: down to career low levels understandably, so they're reading the clippings, 313 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: they know that Aaron Donald and Leonard Floyd and Von 314 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: Miller are across the way. But also the time and 315 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: score allowed them to play in such a manner, and 316 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: the down and distance too. Sooner or later that script 317 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: is gonna flip, and you're going to give your pass 318 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: rushers a chance to pin their ears back and go 319 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: get it well again. I think when you talk about 320 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: kind of what Sean McVay and von Miller and Matthew 321 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: Stafford sayding to Marco is exactly right when you're when 322 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: you're in deep water. And it's funny because that statement 323 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: has been said a lot uh and a lot of coaches, 324 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: and it's true, like when you're in deep water, you 325 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: can't look for anyone else. It is on you and 326 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: you being the fifty three guys or the sixty one 327 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: guys on this roster, it's only us, right, and we 328 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: have to figure out a way to play better. We 329 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: have to figure out a way to execute better. We 330 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: have to figure out a way to coach better, right, 331 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: to put our players in better situations, and so sometimes 332 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: you get the best out of that right where maybe 333 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: these moves kind of sat gave people a little bit 334 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: of comfort, being a little bit more comfortable, if that 335 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: makes sense, Like, oh, well, you know we haven't been 336 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: able to do this, so maybe the front office may 337 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: do X, X, Y and Z. Right, and so now 338 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: in December, where there there isn't any opportunity to go 339 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: out there and get other guys or trade for other people, 340 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: it's on you. You may start to see this team 341 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: jail a little bit more. Now, going back to the 342 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: question that hand, which was the Aaron Rodgers and Jimmy Garoppolo, Listen, 343 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: football will never change, JB. DeMarco, it will never change. 344 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: You have to be able to run the ball and 345 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: stop the run to win games in the National Football League. 346 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: I don't care if you're a shotgun team. I don't 347 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: care if you're a spread team, if you're a power 348 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: eye team all that. If you can't run the ball 349 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: and you can't stop the run, you were going to 350 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: lose every game from here on out. It's called Thanksgiving football. 351 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: After Thanksgiving, the weather starts to change. Football starts to change. 352 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: And as you saw, the Niners started it off and 353 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: they've been on a run as of lately because they've 354 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: been running the ball. I want to say sixty percent 355 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: of the time or sixty five percent of the time 356 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: and throwing at thirty five and watch the Packers start 357 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: to do the same thing, no matter how good your 358 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: quarterback is. And the reason being is there's three reasons 359 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: for it. One, when you run the ball, you take 360 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: the will away from the defense and the other team 361 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: you start to eke out first down, you start to 362 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: wear out the defense. They stopped tackling in the fourth quarter. 363 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: The second thing, it allows your quarterback to take a break, right, 364 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 1: And I think that's something that we haven't really talked about. 365 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford is throwing the ball at a high rate. 366 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 1: He needs a player two off where you could just 367 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: turn around and hand the ball. He doesn't have to 368 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: think as much, he doesn't have to slide in the pocket, 369 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 1: he doesn't have to take a hit. He could just 370 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: turn around and hand the ball off and allow the 371 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 1: offensive line the running game get you four or five 372 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: maybe a ten yard run to kind of get you 373 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 1: a new down. And then the last thing it does, 374 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 1: it gives a defense rest. Right, we talk about time 375 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: of possession, and all the time we talk about it, 376 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,360 Speaker 1: I forget what it was against the Green Bay packers. 377 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 1: But time of possession is huge. Right. If your defense 378 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: is on the field for forty plus minutes, guess what, 379 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: They're gonna be tired and they're not going to be 380 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: able to play well late in the fourth quarter. And 381 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: so that's what all we're running the ball and in 382 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: the simplest form of football, that's what it does for you. 383 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 1: It helps everyone out. And so I know people canna 384 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: say Mauricio running back and you're just saying this and 385 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: blah blah blah, but it's the truth, right, only push 386 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: back in this sense, like modern football is dictated by 387 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: your game and influencing the opponents passing game the problem. 388 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: But it's the problem is you haven't been given the 389 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: opportunity to influence the opponent's passing game because of your 390 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: game circumstances. And that I understand ties back to your 391 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: inability or the opponent's ability to run the football on 392 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: control possession in Claud well, let me say this. I 393 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: think modern football people are trying to change it, but 394 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: it will never be changed. I think if you look 395 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: across the span of the NFC, if you look at 396 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 1: the teams that people may not want to play, I'll 397 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: just throw out a name. The San Fransco forty nine 398 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: ers is and I don't want to Jimmy Garoppolo is 399 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 1: playing better, but it's because they're running the ball like crazy, 400 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,959 Speaker 1: like he doesn't have to do much, and their defense 401 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: is playing much better because I guess what, they're on 402 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 1: the field, maybe twenty minutes a game, twenty five minutes 403 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: a game. If you look at the New England Patriots, 404 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 1: who are playing with a rookie quarterback, they're doing the 405 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 1: exact same thing. A team that you didn't expect them 406 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: to be where they are. The teams that are doing that, 407 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,360 Speaker 1: and they're able to convert on third and short, they're 408 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 1: able to get to you know, third or I think 409 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 1: if the Green Bay Packers game, it was the second 410 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 1: and long was kind of the one that held the 411 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: Rams early in the first half, they'd get to like 412 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: second and eight. Then the Packers will turn into third 413 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: and three. Then guess what, aj Dillon falls forward for 414 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: four yards first down. Right, Those things start to add up, 415 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: So you want to make sure no matter what analytics says, 416 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 1: and no matter what you know, some of these other 417 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: people are thinking. Because everyone wants to throw the ball. 418 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: The team that gets the hottest, the team that wins 419 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: normally in December and then throughout the playoffs they have 420 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: a really good running game and a defense that can 421 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 1: stop the run. They can get off the field. That's 422 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: what it comes down to. No matter how much you 423 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: want to throw the ball and who wins the passing 424 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: title and all that. If you go back to the 425 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans with Derek Henry, how they are able to 426 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: change their dynamic of their organization. They ran the heck 427 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: out of the football and so you got to find 428 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: a way to get your running game going. It doesn't 429 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,239 Speaker 1: have to be the best running game. It doesn't have 430 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: to be per se the best runner, but you have 431 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: to be efficient in your running game. You have to 432 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: be Yeah, efficient is a word. You have to be 433 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: a fishing in your running game. We heard Sean McBay 434 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 1: talk about how do we sustain drives? Well, being efficient 435 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: in your running game is going to allow you to 436 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: do that. Yeah. I mean two cracks had aligne to 437 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 1: gain on third and fourth and manageable earlier in that game. 438 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: You don't get either one, and that's effectively another turnover 439 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: that leads to Green Bay Points Demarca. Let's spend this 440 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 1: forward to Jacksonville. And as much as humility is only 441 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: a week away in the National Football League, you know, 442 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: sometimes exaltation and feeling pretty good and get your swagger 443 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: back is only one Sunday away. Might this be an 444 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: opportunity for the Rams to not only fortify their playoff 445 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: position he's still right now the five seed, but also 446 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 1: start to feel pretty good about three different phases of 447 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: their operation. Yeah, I thought you were actually talking about Jacksonville, 448 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,239 Speaker 1: because I'm sure they think they can come in here 449 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 1: and get a win, you know what I mean, and 450 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: stay over, stay over in LA and party. But yeah, 451 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: I mean to get it back to you know, forget 452 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: about the playoffs, forget about your record for a hot minute, 453 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: and just go out there and get a win so 454 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 1: you can feel good about yourselves. It's easier to practice 455 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: this time of year when you're winning. It's hard to 456 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: go out there when you're losing. You know how that feels, Maurice. 457 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: You don't feel like getting out of bed. You much 458 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: rather do the dead husband thing. They go out and 459 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: be the running back, defensive tackle thing. But going out 460 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: and getting to win, I mean, that will definitely help 461 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 1: this coaching staff. It'll help this football team. It'll help 462 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 1: get your mojo back, but it's not going to be easy. 463 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: Like I said, the blueprint is out there, same with Jacksonville, 464 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: and I gotta admit I can't wait to see Jacksonville 465 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: on the field because I want to see Trevor Lawrence 466 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: up close. This will be fun. But the way they're 467 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: going to attack you, especially with their offense, it's another 468 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: athletic quarterback that's going to make you have to honor 469 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: your rules from end to end. He is a viable 470 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: run threat. So they do some tricky things that can 471 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: give this defense issues. And on the other side, they 472 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: can get after you. They can rush the pastor a 473 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: little bit. So if you're not on your game, if 474 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: you play a similar game or you come out with 475 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: a similar intensity that you had in Green Bay, guess 476 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 1: what you're going to be in the fourth quarter against 477 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 1: Jack's go in a dog fight. So even though they're 478 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 1: they're they're not as good. You have to bring your 479 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 1: a game against just about anybody. So we'll see. Hopefully 480 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: this week you'll have a better plan, the team will 481 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 1: come together and start playing a little bit more uh 482 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 1: uh as as as teammates and with with good comments, 483 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: maybe you'll have a chance to get off the field. 484 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: On defense, maybe you'll score a little bit more, and 485 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: on special teams, maybe you'll keep possessions so that you won't, 486 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 1: you know, flip the game upside down with one punt 487 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: return or his last thing. For me, we'd be remiss 488 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: if we didn't have a quick conversation about Jalen Ramsey 489 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 1: and his chance to face the team that drafted him 490 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 1: for the first time a couple of years removed from 491 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: that trade, and then of course the contract extension that 492 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 1: made him a ram long term. Uh no regrets on 493 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: this end. I don't think Ramsey has been everything he 494 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: was promised to be, and even more to my estimation. Yeah, 495 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: the funny thing is UM, since I've been in Jacksonville, 496 00:22:55,080 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 1: there's been a ton of turnover. Right, UM owner GM 497 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: head coaches, ocs DC's position coaches. The funny thing is 498 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: that trade was only a couple of years ago and 499 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: it's a brand new organization. There's not many people there 500 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: that Jalen knew, right. I think the equipment guys were 501 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: still there. Some of the people in the medical staff 502 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: are still there, but that's about it. And so it's 503 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: not gonna be like I think people think it would be, 504 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 1: where it's like it's your old coach, right, and it's 505 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: your old GM, and it's like, it's not like that. 506 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: All those dudes are gone because they traded Jaylen, to 507 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: be honest with you, because they allowed him to get 508 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 1: out and other guys to get out like Alan Robinson 509 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: and other guys that have played well throughout the National 510 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: Football League. So I think the Rams definitely won that one. 511 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of people in Jacksonville that 512 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: wish he was there. They still love him to death. 513 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 1: But I will say this, and I would I would 514 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: have to say this. This is the type of game 515 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: it's not about winning, it's about how you win. And 516 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: I think that's the most important thing. Right, Do you 517 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: win this game against the Jaguars the right way by 518 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: doing the things that you want to do, accomplishing your 519 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: goals for this game, or do you win it, you know, 520 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: because they're just not a good football team? Right? Does 521 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: that make sense? Does that make sense? Yeah? I think yeah, 522 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: I think margin of victory. But the style in which 523 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: you attack, yes, exactly, And I think that's how you 524 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: get your mojo back, right, there's a thing called false enthusiasm, 525 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: false confidence, all those things. If you beat Jacksonville and 526 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: you don't beat them the right way, then it's like, oh, 527 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, we're happy, but then you got a tough, 528 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 1: tough matchup the next week. But if you go out 529 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: there and you handle your business and you do it 530 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: the right way, and you get your swagger back and 531 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: you're running the ball, we're seeing the play action pass 532 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 1: and the double moves, and defensively you're getting off on 533 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 1: third down and you're stopping the run because you know 534 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: they're gonna run the ball and you're doing all these things. 535 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 1: That's how you get back into the wind callum the 536 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 1: right way, and I think the Rams have a great 537 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: opportunity to do that. But please please let me say this. 538 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: Jacksonville is a physical team and they're gonna try to 539 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: punch you in the mouth. They're gonna try to run 540 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: the ball. With Carlos Hyde and James Robinson, they're gonna 541 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 1: do all these things, play action pass and defensively, don't 542 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 1: get it twisted. Josh Allen is one of the young 543 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: premier defensive ends. I can get to the quarterback and 544 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: so you have to understand that they have some guys 545 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 1: on that side of the ball too that can make 546 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,239 Speaker 1: some problems. Miles. Jack's another guy that that that's one 547 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: of the better young not young anymore, but one of 548 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 1: the better linebackers, more athletic guys. So you have challenges 549 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: that you have to be able to face and make. 550 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: But like I said, if you win it the right way, 551 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: if you win this game the right way, if you 552 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: win this game and they win it the right way, 553 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I think you know we'll be 554 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: talking a little different tomorrow or next week. UCLA Bruins, 555 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: stay forever Young, Maurice Ah, you know what. I'm still 556 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 1: hurt off of the Kenny Young one, but you know 557 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: you got another one in LA this week. Appreciate the preview, DeMarco, 558 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: your thoughts as well. Have a good rest of your week. 559 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: Looking forward to being with you back at so that 560 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: it has been too long for all of us. Thank 561 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: you for tuning in this week to Between the Horns 562 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: presented by your Southern California Tote Dealers partner of the 563 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: La Rams. As always, we hope you can join us 564 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: inside Sofi Stadium to experience the Rams House. 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