1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, A production 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio Happy Friday. I'm Tracy d Wilson and I'm 3 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: Holly Frye. This was Unearthed time. Sure was. Yeah. As 4 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: I was planning out the calendar of when to do 5 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: this normally, what I have started trying to do is 6 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: when the quarter ends, the first recording session we have 7 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: after the end of that quarter is when we record Unearthed. 8 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: That made the timing a little bit awkward because we 9 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: record the podcast in most cases on Tuesday, which meant 10 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 1: that the last day of the quarter was the day 11 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: prior to soa recording, which did not leave a lot 12 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: of time for the last two days of the months 13 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: to lock of stuff. It just feels like to me, 14 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: it winds up coming out way late in the month 15 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: if we don't schedule at that. And so this morning, 16 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: after I had already like, I had written the whole outline, 17 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: I had sent it to you, I had done all 18 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: of that, this morning, I was like, I should probably 19 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: make sure that nothing really monumental happened yesterday afternoon that 20 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: I need to wedge and hear. Nothing came up in 21 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: all of my various feeds that needed to be discussed 22 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: after having already written the episode ton Ton, Yeah, I 23 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: like that. There's always more voyage manuscript. Yes, I really 24 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: liked that there was voyage manuscript. That was Again, I 25 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: think this is the second time fairly recently that we've 26 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: had some kind of something that was not about someone's 27 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: attempted to code it. That was what was about, like 28 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: other stuff. Yeah, studying it in other ways, Yeah, because 29 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: there's other stuff that is that is great also to 30 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: just you know, learn about the actual document and the 31 00:01:55,760 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: actual object and all of that. Yeah, it's very cool. 32 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we're all fascinated with it. We'll 33 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: never stop being fascinated with it. We cannot help it. 34 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: I can't help it. I love it. Yeah, I still 35 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: want to make and have never done it, even though 36 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: I've threatened for years now to make a fabric print 37 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: using some of the imagery from it, because I think 38 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: it would be cool to make a dress. That would 39 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: be cool to make a dress. It'll happen. It just 40 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: might take a minute. Yeah, this might take a minute. 41 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: One of the things that kind of tickled me it 42 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: I was thinking about it when we were talking about 43 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: some of the art pieces that just kind of vanish 44 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: from the historical record. And you know, on Criminalia we 45 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: did a season of art heists, which we're in the 46 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: selves illuminating because we discovered in our research how often 47 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: it was super easy to just take something off a 48 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: wall and walk because the alarms didn't exist, or did 49 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: exist but weren't functioning and they hadn't fixed them, or 50 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: they worked just fine, and nobody regularly turns them on. Like, 51 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: there's so many instances of that. I think nowadays it's different, 52 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: but like in the throughout the twentieth century, shockingly late 53 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: in the game that was still happening. But also how often, 54 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,839 Speaker 1: you know, we talk about art going missing in terms 55 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: of an art heist, but there are so many instances 56 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: historically where art didn't get stolen. It just kind of 57 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: like somebody dropped the ball in tracking it. And I 58 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: marvel at how many pieces are floating around in the 59 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: world that were like, we know, this guy painted more stuff, right, 60 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: Nobody seems to think it got stolen, but we don't 61 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,839 Speaker 1: know where it is. Yeah, and there's also a lot 62 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: of art that like isn't by a famous artist, that's 63 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: passed down through you know, family collections. Folks might think 64 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: of it as you know, just a family heirloom or 65 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: just a painting that they heard that they're great great 66 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: parents bought when they were in Ireland or whatever, that 67 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: aren't necessarily something that someone would keep up with. And 68 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: especially as you know, over the last few decades, there 69 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: have been efforts to learn more about artists who were overlooked, 70 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: like women, artists who didn't necessarily make a huge name 71 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: for themselves. But somebody has realized, oh, this person's work 72 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: was actually really influential in their artistic community and we 73 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: didn't realize, and it becomes time to try to like 74 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: trace their surviving artwork. It's like, oh, we never catalog that. Yeah, 75 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: it was never in a catalog. It was never in 76 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: a museum. It was something that maybe, you know, the 77 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: artists sold to make enough money to buy their groceries 78 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: that week or whatever. I also just think, you know, 79 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: whatever art that you like, that's great. Yeah, for sure. 80 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: There's that art assessment valuation of art, which puts a 81 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: price tag on things, which is fine, I guess, but 82 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: like I'm with you, like it's to me, the greater 83 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: value is like someone's emotional response or attachment to a 84 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: piece of art. Which is hard to monetize, so I 85 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:26,799 Speaker 1: understand why nobody's interested in it, but it does fascinate 86 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: me how much art has been sitting in places lost. 87 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 1: I mean, there's still art pieces, you know that we know, 88 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: for example, we're taken that haven't been recovered, and I 89 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: always wonder, like, in some cases they probably are gone forever, right, 90 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: they got trash, Like there's a Dolly that was on 91 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: Riker's Island and got stolen, and that probably got trashed 92 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: by the people that stole it. There are also cases where, 93 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: like I mean, if you think about why would you 94 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: steal art in the first place, it's presumably to sell it, 95 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: and that means they're private collectors that just want it. 96 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: They don't want anybody to know they have it, They 97 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: just want it. And I wonder how many things are 98 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: sitting in someone's private little gallery that we hope one 99 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: day are recovered so other people can see that beautiful art. Yeah. 100 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: I have not looked up the latest latest on the 101 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 1: Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum heist. We have had some updates 102 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: about the case over the years. Yeah, but one of 103 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: the fears with that is that like at this point, 104 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: those artworks are just gone. We don't know for sure 105 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 1: that they're just gone, but like it is a possibility 106 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: that the works were stolen. People realized, oh, I can't 107 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 1: actually sell this because oops, there's a gigantic news story 108 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: about these missing paintings, right, and so then what happens? Yeah, yeah, yeah, 109 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: wild wild. Every time we say anti Kittha, now I 110 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: think of Matts Michelson saying a Dikedeta, and I just 111 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: I'm in my own head at that. Yeah, I'm gone. 112 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: I'm on a lost little tangent where I'm just thinking 113 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: about Indiana Jones movies. Yeah. I can't remember if I 114 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: have talked about playing Assassin's Creed Odyssey, and every single 115 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: proper name that we've ever sad on the show is 116 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: pronounced much differently in that video game, because a lot 117 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: of it is like more of a a like a 118 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: Greek influenced pronunciation, right, And so when I was playing 119 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: that game, there would be times when I would just 120 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: my brain would kind of reset for a second because 121 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: I would hear a voice actor from the video game 122 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: say a name one hundred percent different than I, differently 123 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: than I have ever said it or heard it said, 124 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: which was always funny to me. I was particularly delighted 125 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: by the image of using a tennis ball on a 126 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: stick to apply a cleaning solution to a cannon. It's 127 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: pretty good. Tennis balls on sticks are very important. Yeah, 128 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: you can use them to train animals, you can use 129 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: them to you know, keep your walker from sticking on things, 130 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: and you can use them to clean cannons. I was 131 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: going to say, you can use them to give somebody 132 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: something to look at when they're recording on a green screen. 133 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: Also great, Also great mass of options for the tennis 134 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: balls on sticks out after the tennis falls on sticks 135 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: the unsung heroes of humanity. Yeah, yeah, I am not 136 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: completely sure if they figured out exactly what the mechanism 137 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: was on, like the prior chemicals that had been used 138 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: and the exact chemical composition of the cannon. There comes 139 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: a point in these Unearthed episodes were like, I have 140 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: to stop getting further detail or I will be out 141 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: of time. Right, And in this particular case, I had 142 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,719 Speaker 1: a commitment that required me to leave my desk at 143 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: a specific time, so I did not have there was 144 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: no wiggle room to be like, oh, if I spend 145 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: half an hour extra trying to figure out some backstory 146 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: on this. I'll just work a little like, no, that 147 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: was not an option, maybe like stop reading about the 148 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: tennis ball, but it's so fun. And then my question 149 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: is like, how do you know there's nothing harmful in 150 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: the finish of the tennis ball? Yeah, I don't know 151 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: how that how that was arrived at as like the 152 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: best way to do it, I don't know anyway. As always, 153 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: I also have a gigantic list of things that were 154 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: maybe maybe we might talk about, but there was not 155 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: enough time for them. Coin hoards your favorite. Yeah, no, 156 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: no coin hoards. I did think of you recently when 157 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: I ran to London for a brief trip and we 158 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: went to the British Museum and there are lots of 159 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: coin hoard displays and yeah it's Tracy's nightmare. Yeah, no, 160 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: no coin hords. So some of the things that we 161 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 1: talked about are things that were auctioned. That was part 162 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: of what we discussed, But there were a lot of 163 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: reports were like the only thing that was really notable 164 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: was that this thing was being auctioned off. It wasn't 165 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: a thing that had been found unexpectedly or something. It 166 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: was like, this thing is up for auction, and I 167 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: did not find that as interesting as this thing was 168 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: found in someone's attic and then it was auctioned. A 169 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:55,199 Speaker 1: couple of them were headlines about things that had been 170 00:10:55,240 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: discovered on Antique's road Show to be something notable, and 171 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: I originally had one on I think maybe the artwork list, 172 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: and then I sort of was like, this is really 173 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: the whole point of Antiques Road Show, though I only 174 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: watched that show typically if I am visiting my parents, 175 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 1: but like, that's sort of part of the whole idea 176 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: of antiques rayhow So, I also did not include any 177 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: of the Antique road Show headlines. I mean, it is 178 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: the idea, but how often do they actually find like 179 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: something real. We talked about one recently, right that was 180 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: like a missing painting by Richard Dad, Is that right? 181 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: But I mean I do think like it still has 182 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: merit because they don't often go, oh gosh, this is 183 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: a painting of a master that's been missing for two 184 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: hundred years. Yes. I also had two headlines that we 185 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 1: did not wind up talking about because there were people 186 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: who damaged things. One somebody who wet down some cave 187 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: art so that it would look better in a picture 188 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: they were taking, and the other somebody who carved his 189 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: initials into a wall at POMPEII, And I would just 190 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: like to say, please don't do that. Please do not 191 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: wet down cave art, Please do not, please do not 192 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,719 Speaker 1: deface things. I know there's plenty of graffiti already at 193 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: POMPEII that is from hundreds or thousands of years ago. 194 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: We do need to add additional to that. It's weird, right, 195 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: there's that strange impulsive thing that people just step outside 196 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: of like context and think, uh huh, I want to 197 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: do this thing. I'm going to do this. They're not 198 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: even thinking it, they're just doing it. It's bypassing any 199 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: kind of like reasoning going on in their prefrontal cortex. 200 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: They're just it's like their hand is reaching out and 201 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: they're already doing it. And I wish there were a 202 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: way to stop that. That did also happen with a 203 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: child in one of the like an actual small child 204 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: who knocked over something. Prefrontal cortex not done yet, not 205 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 1: still cooking like a small child. So anyway, if you're 206 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: an adult person, just so you don't don't deface the artwork, 207 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: don't knock down, don't knock down cool rock formations like 208 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: just don't just don't do any of that. Don't eat 209 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 1: bog butter, don't eat the bog butter unless you're a 210 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: trained scientist who presumably has help standing by in case 211 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: something goes awry and hopefully access to good medical care 212 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: in case there's some microbes in there that are a problem. Yeah. 213 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: I mean, the whole point is the bog helps preserve 214 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: the butter. But still, that's a long time. So anyway, 215 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: whatever's happening on your weekend, I hope it's a lot 216 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: of fun. Maybe you've got some cool museum stuff on 217 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: your radar. Whatever it is, I hope it's it's great. 218 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: We will be back with a Saturday Classic tomorrow, and 219 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: we will be back with something brand new on Monday. 220 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: Stuff you Missed in History Class is a production of iHeartRadio. 221 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 222 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.