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Speaker 2: Dan Dockets, who of course has his own show on OutKick,
Speaker 2: will join us in about twenty minutes. We'll get his
Speaker 2: thoughts on the NBA Draft and specifically on I think
Speaker 2: the biggest name taking maybe the entire draft, was taken
Speaker 2: with the fifty to fifth pick. That's Brownie James and
Speaker 2: I want to start there. Dan Lebron got emotional and
Speaker 2: go ahead, Dan, you you had a story that you
Speaker 2: want to there.
Speaker 3: Doug, there's something that happened today in the world of
Speaker 3: sports that I don't know. I've never heard this happen before,
Speaker 3: and it happened in a major sporting event, truly a
Speaker 3: major US Senior Open going on right now Newport, Rhode Island,
Speaker 3: one of the classic courses, Newport Country Club. Sure, and
Speaker 3: a guy in the name of Frank Benzil Junior. Yes,
Speaker 3: I think a lot of us are saying that who
Speaker 3: is Frank Benzil Junior. Well you should know the name,
Speaker 3: because not only did he cart a hole in one
Speaker 3: on his round today, he carded a second hole in one.
Speaker 3: No way, Yes, but that doesn't even make it crazy.
Speaker 2: Wait, hold on, hold on, I feel like I'm watching
Speaker 2: an infomercial of Ronk. But wait, there's more.
Speaker 3: There is more. He did it on back to back holes. No,
Speaker 3: so rob has never been done. I have never heard
Speaker 3: of this. And the reason that I've never heard of
Speaker 3: this is to have two hole in ones on a
Speaker 3: round is rare enough. How many courses do you know
Speaker 3: that you play have back to back par threes.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know. Well, I mean a par
Speaker 2: three course maybe, but yeah, yeah, I play at Oneida here,
Speaker 2: beautiful course in Green Bay, Wisconsin, and there's not back
Speaker 2: to back par.
Speaker 3: Three there is it is. It is amazing when you
Speaker 3: look on a scorecard because he went ace ace on
Speaker 3: holes four and five, and seventy three yards on the
Speaker 3: par four third, on the par three fourth hole, and
Speaker 3: then on the par three fifth hole two hundred and
Speaker 3: two yards with an ace, and then four straight bogies afterwards.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I can't like the bogies afterwards. It
Speaker 2: speaks to all of them.
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, but to have two aces back to back
Speaker 3: and in a major like that is that is a
Speaker 3: I've never ever heard of this, and it happened today
Speaker 3: at the US Senior Open for Frank Benzil Junior of Jupiter, Florida.
Speaker 2: Frank Benzil June was that the guy's name of Catch
Speaker 2: Me if you can, the guy who wrote the bad checks?
Speaker 2: Is that? Is that him?
Speaker 3: That's not my not my.
Speaker 2: J What was what was the name of the of
Speaker 2: the character? It was a real life character based on
Speaker 2: a real life character of the guy in Catch Me
Speaker 2: if you Can, Tom Hanks, And.
Speaker 4: I'm looking at looking at Frank Abdi.
Speaker 2: Abdial, Frank Abgnail.
Speaker 3: Frank Benzil Junior has two aces, five pars, and eight
Speaker 3: bogies on his scorecard today.
Speaker 2: It is back to back aces and then how many.
Speaker 3: Bogies for these eight bogeys after the back to back yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: four straight bogeys, yes, bogie the next four holes, which,
Speaker 3: by the way, who cares?
Speaker 2: But how do you describe that to a friend and
Speaker 2: how you how did you play day? Frank? Eh? I
Speaker 2: mean I had two aces? What then I had four
Speaker 2: straight bogies.
Speaker 3: There's but there's I don't know if there's anybody in
Speaker 3: the world who would care about the four bogue to
Speaker 3: be able to have two aces, I don't have one
Speaker 3: in my life. I would I would love one. I
Speaker 3: don't think par three hole and ones are really legitimate.
Speaker 3: I think that you have to have it on a
Speaker 3: on a real course, just because there's too many opportunities on.
Speaker 2: The par three well on a par three course.
Speaker 3: Yeah, on a par three course, yeah, but yeah, to
Speaker 3: have it back to back holes, uh, just crazy. But
Speaker 3: so a bit of what I feel is sports history.
Speaker 3: I've messed up other sports details today I can't remember this.
Speaker 2: Do you feel sports history? That's sports history? That's never
Speaker 2: happens to be US Open competition alone, in any any
Speaker 2: any competition, professional or otherwise. I can't think of we
Speaker 2: would have known that. Just that's crazy. Crazy. I will
Speaker 2: let that sink in for a second. Just what do
Speaker 2: you hit on a ones on a two two part three?
Speaker 2: I'd I know it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, depending, I'd probably hit a four hybrid. It's that's
Speaker 3: that's probably my best bet and maybe get a you know,
Speaker 3: five iron there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, maybe maybe. Are you bringing the clubs when
Speaker 2: you come to Wisconsin?
Speaker 3: I am, I am. We're in negotiations with the wife
Speaker 3: right now on bringing the clubs. So though we are in.
Speaker 2: Talks, can I can I help you with the negotiation? Yes? Okay.
Speaker 2: So you're coming home, You're going to see a lot
Speaker 2: of family. Yeah, okay. Part of it is, though, like
Speaker 2: what holds you back from playing more golf at home
Speaker 2: is that you spend time with your son Brody as
Speaker 2: much as you possibly can. If you sacrifice your golf game,
Speaker 2: you sacrifice your golf game. The great thing about coming
Speaker 2: home to family is your wife Lisa. You guys trust
Speaker 2: your family members, so you guys can actually go and
Speaker 2: do your own thing together. Now, she may want to
Speaker 2: do something with you and not with Brody and do
Speaker 2: that together. So my negotiation, bower you, is plan something
Speaker 2: for her on a day or let her tell her
Speaker 2: she has a day and during that same day you
Speaker 2: go play golf and then oh yeah, by the way,
Speaker 2: if you guys want to have dinner together, Brody's taken
Speaker 2: care of.
Speaker 5: Do that. Good plan.
Speaker 2: And by the way, you can come play my course.
Speaker 2: All right, it's a really nice course.
Speaker 3: I can't wait. It's one of those we are going
Speaker 3: to Green Bay. We are going to go stop by
Speaker 3: and see Doug.
Speaker 2: That is I mean, it's but it's a it's a
Speaker 2: it's one of those courses where I mean, Oneida is
Speaker 2: one of the courses. I'm like, how did I get here?
Speaker 2: At this place? Is so nice, so incredibly nice. Let's
Speaker 2: get to the topic of the day, which is the
Speaker 2: topic to sure is that Brownie James is now a
Speaker 2: member of the LA Lakers and with all the posturing
Speaker 2: and I respect to Mark Stein and the Phoenix Suns
Speaker 2: were thinking about drafting him, No, they were. Their GM
Speaker 2: obviously was former teammate of Lebron's and I'm sure they
Speaker 2: thought about it. Thinking about it and wanting to do it.
Speaker 2: Those are two very different things, right, And you know,
Speaker 2: the GM of the Mavericks used to run Lebron James
Speaker 2: Academy in Camp and was his connection with he worked
Speaker 2: for Nike right, So obviously there's a great relationship there.
Speaker 2: So again thinking about it and actually doing it, they
Speaker 2: drafted a player who wasn't going to be drafted with
Speaker 2: the fifty to fifth pick, which is the right to do.
Speaker 2: Lebron got emotional. You can see bronni and there is
Speaker 2: the real human aspect of it. It's not just father
Speaker 2: and son. It's a father who you know, a year
Speaker 2: ago his son had a heart attack and nearly didn't live,
Speaker 2: let alone play basketball again. So that part of it
Speaker 2: is amazing. And I can't imagine as a parent going
Speaker 2: through all of those ups and downs. And if you're
Speaker 2: a parent, you know what it's like a coaching your
Speaker 2: own kid, watching your own kid, you know, seeing his struggles.
Speaker 2: All you want them to do is achieve and succeed.
Speaker 2: And again then you bring in the idea that Lebron
Speaker 2: didn't have a dad overcame so much in terms of
Speaker 2: a personal life, and I know, we sit there and
Speaker 2: go a six eight, two sixty, what did he overcome?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 2: It ain't easy. It's not easy to deal with all
Speaker 2: of the things that come to trappings of fame. And
Speaker 2: we have never had not one off the court incidant,
Speaker 2: not one off the court incident from lebron James during
Speaker 2: his storied NBA career. I mean, it's really remarkable how
Speaker 2: sound he is in his personal life. That said, like,
Speaker 2: you know, it just it doesn't feel like it has
Speaker 2: anything to do with Bronni's development and Bronnie being a
Speaker 2: legitimate NBA player and it it just and because of it,
Speaker 2: like forcing, it just feels awkward. I don't know, it
Speaker 2: feels way more awkward than even Giannis's brothers. I'm not
Speaker 2: I'm not exactly sure why. And they were part of
Speaker 2: teams and they played and it was bad and whatever.
Speaker 2: But and I know this has happened before and it
Speaker 2: will happen again in some senses in the NBA, but
Speaker 2: this one feels.
Speaker 3: Different sure, and and and the Bucks did it for
Speaker 3: reasons that I think that they felt would keep Giannis
Speaker 3: in town. And this is the Lakers doing Lebron a
Speaker 3: solid But you talk about it being awkward, like the awkwardness,
Speaker 3: how does Bronni feel?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 3: How does how does Bronny develop relationships within that locker
Speaker 3: room with dad now in the locker room, like how
Speaker 3: does how is I appreciate your insights and there are
Speaker 3: others who are who are fair as well. But with
Speaker 3: some of the rhetoric that we had heard with him
Speaker 3: being drafted, specifically on ESPN's draft coverage, but how are
Speaker 3: we going to get an honest assessment of who he
Speaker 3: is and what he is? And in that case, I
Speaker 3: feel bad for Bronnie in him being in an awkward position.
Speaker 3: It would I think it would have been much cooler
Speaker 3: if he was on another team, Doug and it's the
Speaker 3: Lakers against Sons or whoever, and it's father against son
Speaker 3: in that way, I just think it's I don't know
Speaker 3: how this works. Like when Ken Gray and Ken Graffy junior,
Speaker 3: you know, Senior and Junior played together, Junior was the
Speaker 3: up and coming star, right, you know, And that is
Speaker 3: not the case here. So how Bronni's gonna find his
Speaker 3: way just even in a locker room where dad is.
Speaker 3: I just I have I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 3: how that works.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And look, and I think we talked about the
Speaker 2: sum on my show about Lonzo Ball, right, and that
Speaker 2: one of the reasons that I think Lonzo it probably
Speaker 2: set back. The biggest set back to his NBA career
Speaker 2: was his knee But one of the reasons that Lonzo
Speaker 2: was so kind of passive in terms of his leadership
Speaker 2: and not being necessarily vocal is his dad took up
Speaker 2: all of the oxygen in the room, right, So the
Speaker 2: son just like you can't have two loud personalities every
Speaker 2: time they're in the room together. And Bronnie's much the
Speaker 2: same way, you know, And and yeah, Bronnie always tries
Speaker 2: to make the right play, but there's just a lack of, Hey,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to take over any game or take
Speaker 2: over and that actually blends well, like I think he'll
Speaker 2: fit and find in the locker room, but like, at
Speaker 2: some point you want to be your own man, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I have a player who his dad was a player.
Speaker 2: He's a really talented kid. And when we first met,
Speaker 2: like he's kind of he was kind of quiet and
Speaker 2: you know, looking at his phone a lot, and he
Speaker 2: wasn't awkward, but he definitely wasn't kind of an outgoing personality.
Speaker 2: And his dad when his dad went home, like this,
Speaker 2: every day he has been here, he has become more
Speaker 2: and more part of the group and more and more
Speaker 2: outspoken and just kind of lights up. And it's not
Speaker 2: that and his dad has done nothing wrong, Like his
Speaker 2: dad just loves him, protects him, and they're really really
Speaker 2: close and he's kind of his mentor and his coach
Speaker 2: and his everything. But like, at some point, you get
Speaker 2: to be nineteen twenty years old, like you kind of
Speaker 2: got to go be your own dude and make your
Speaker 2: own mistakes. And I just think that Lebron is I
Speaker 2: don't know if we want to say coddling him, but
Speaker 2: it's gonna be really hard to be your own guy
Speaker 2: when your dad is Lebron and you're on like you're
Speaker 2: on the same team. That one's just gonna be weird.
Speaker 3: I just I don't know, like if if let's you say,
Speaker 3: Lebron you know, just kind of goes off in practice
Speaker 3: or is on one or something and you're sitting around
Speaker 3: with five or six guys and Bronni's there where normally
Speaker 3: you would say, and again, not Bronnie's fault at all,
Speaker 3: It is not his fault. But how do you be
Speaker 3: like poy Lebron was on one today without having a
Speaker 3: you know, not not a fear, but just to being
Speaker 3: comfortable in being able to talk about, you know, what
Speaker 3: is you know, what you normally would talk about in
Speaker 3: the locker room or with your group of guys.
Speaker 2: You know, there's there is another element to it. I
Speaker 2: agree with you on that. By the way, I agree
Speaker 2: with you on that. We talked about this a lot
Speaker 2: last night just among friends. Is what do you think
Speaker 2: they do with summer league? Cause I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 2: right now, Like, I don't know summer league is gonna
Speaker 2: be great for Brownie. I just don't, like, he hasn't
Speaker 2: played a lot of ball, and like they will come
Speaker 2: at you in summer league, like all those guys like
Speaker 2: that is chum in the water, and you know, he
Speaker 2: needs to play summer league. He needs to play extensively
Speaker 2: in summer league. But I don't know how that works out.
Speaker 2: I don't know how that that feels. And some of it,
Speaker 2: I mean, I just I think that's a really interesting
Speaker 2: And we've seen like last year Wemby played two games.
Speaker 2: We've seen other guys play a couple games and then
Speaker 2: pull him. You know, do they say he's got an injury?
Speaker 2: Does he play until he plays a good game and
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, you know, he tweaks an
Speaker 2: ankle and they're gonna sit him down, or he's got
Speaker 2: a hamstring pull or something like that. The Summer league
Speaker 2: aspect of it, because the legal want him to play.
Speaker 2: The Lakers are already a gigantic draw. He's gonna be
Speaker 2: a gigantic draw. And now, like you, you can hide
Speaker 2: a guy and barely play him in an NBA game
Speaker 2: and play five minutes and you know, and and take
Speaker 2: a couple of shots whenever. It's actually harder in Summer
Speaker 2: League in many ways because it's less organized and all
Speaker 2: of those other guys are trying to make it in
Speaker 2: the league. They are licensed assassins, and they are gonna
Speaker 2: come right at Ronnie James, and it'll be interested to
Speaker 2: see how he plays, because he has been somebody that's
Speaker 2: been passive in many of those in many of those
Speaker 2: type of moments.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: So we got two aces on back to back holes
Speaker 2: in the US Senior Open, Ohait, and we got Brianie
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Speaker 2: m Dan Byrom Doug gottlieb Dan, then that's out for
Speaker 2: the week. There's something to the process that we're doing
Speaker 2: or not doing with our own players that has allowed
Speaker 2: the international takeoff. Don't don't get me wrong. I saw
Speaker 2: the France thing coming. You know, three of the top
Speaker 2: six draft picks from France. If you played in France,
Speaker 2: if you've internationally, you traveled to France, you understand that
Speaker 2: game is way way more athletic than any other European game.
Speaker 2: But to me, I don't think there's any one part
Speaker 2: about it. I think it's the entire story, right, Like
Speaker 2: there's part of it. Where in the United States you
Speaker 2: have options. You know, if you're for example, you know
Speaker 2: most NBA players are six to and above right, But
Speaker 2: if you're six to and above in the States, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of options. Baseball players, baseball pitchers especially, are
Speaker 2: are tall. It's valued because you can generate more power
Speaker 2: right and you know you can reach halfway to home play.
Speaker 2: There's lots of quarterbacks that are and to a lesser extent,
Speaker 2: wide receivers, but quarterbacks would be really good basketball players
Speaker 2: at six two to six five, as well volleyball players.
Speaker 2: Right you're starting to get to some of the taller athletes.
Speaker 2: It does shrink a little bit of the But I
Speaker 2: think the biggest issue with our country's development as opposed
Speaker 2: to other countries development, is the fact that there's just
Speaker 2: no consistency for these players growing up. And it's almost
Speaker 2: an upset when they make it because they don't. It's yes,
Speaker 2: they play too many games, but part of it is
Speaker 2: they don't have to earn playing time. There's a million
Speaker 2: AAU teams. So if one coach won't play you in
Speaker 2: order to get you in the right headspace or get
Speaker 2: you to play defense, or get you to play team basketball,
Speaker 2: oftentimes your parent or your handler will just take you
Speaker 2: to a different AU team. And the same thing happens
Speaker 2: in college. I'm wondering if that's what Dan Dockets thinks.
Speaker 2: Of course, he's got his show and OutKick called Don't
Speaker 2: at Me Monday through Friday nine am to eleven am
Speaker 2: Eastern time. Of course, he's a long time college basketball coach,
Speaker 2: head coach and a long time basketball analyst as well. Dan,
Speaker 2: are we screwing it up? Is the coaching development better?
Speaker 2: Do they just have better personnel? Why do you think
Speaker 2: hypothesize for me if you will that you know there's
Speaker 2: such an international takeover in the NBA draft.
Speaker 5: Done. Thanks thanks for having me. Uh. I think it's
Speaker 5: a lot of things. Like I think, athletically, body wise,
Speaker 5: strength wise, we've never been better in the United States.
Speaker 5: And I'm talking about basketball. Guys are bigger, guys are stronger.
Speaker 5: It's just kind of funny everybody, you know, because of
Speaker 5: Michael Jordan and Barklay and those guys, goes back to
Speaker 5: kind of when I was playing, which is the mid eighties,
Speaker 5: and I look at guys like Charles Hurd at Kentucky
Speaker 5: that now would be small. So we've got that going.
Speaker 5: I think it's a number of things, and you touched
Speaker 5: on a couple. I think there's a lack of discipline
Speaker 5: and a lack of internal toughness in our players. I
Speaker 5: think that if you go back and you look, one
Speaker 5: of the things that was always stressed back in the
Speaker 5: day by coaches, college coaches was toughness. She had to fight,
Speaker 5: you had, it'd be tough. Ho you paranoia, Bob Knight,
Speaker 5: you know, even Dean Smith and those guys Krzyzewsky, everything
Speaker 5: about you know, persevering and getting better. And now, as
Speaker 5: you said, it's about hey, I'm going to the best offer.
Speaker 5: And you know you're you're probably finding this out. As
Speaker 5: a college coach. You can talk about your business program,
Speaker 5: your facilities, but you could have wasted all that time.
Speaker 5: Are you wasting all that time if you don't just
Speaker 5: hit them with what number? And And that's the part
Speaker 5: of it. I think the entitlement when we're young. You know,
Speaker 5: I coached a you and my son was young, and
Speaker 5: I watched and with amazement in Las Vegas as these
Speaker 5: dumb ass jackass hangers around would kiss the ass of
Speaker 5: these fifteen year olds fourteen year olds, and I hated it.
Speaker 5: And and that's a part of it. I also think that, frankly,
Speaker 5: we we take it for granted. Like back in the day,
Speaker 5: Bob Knight, Dean Smith, Hank I, Pete, all the great
Speaker 5: coaches would go to Europe. They would all go to Europe.
Speaker 5: And I didn't really know this until I started coaching,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, wow, man, we got you know, Spain's
Speaker 5: entire coaching staff hanging out with us for three weeks
Speaker 5: at Indiana taking notes. Well, okay, that's come one hundred
Speaker 5: eighty degrees. Now he talked to Dusty May. Where you
Speaker 5: get your good offensive sets from? Well, I get him from,
Speaker 5: you know, watching European basketball. I get him. Well, they've
Speaker 5: taken basketball more serious. They've they've innovated. We have given
Speaker 5: the ball to guys and said go dribble, and that's
Speaker 5: what we do. And when you see a team, you know,
Speaker 5: like Yukon that actually moves people and has some innovation
Speaker 5: to him, you're like stun Well, it wasn't always like
Speaker 5: that here. You know, Dean Smith's secondary break upscreen crossed
Speaker 5: me down. All that stuff was innovative. It was movement,
Speaker 5: Bob Knight's motion offense. Krushewsky had motion until he didn't.
Speaker 5: You look at even the UCLA offense of John Wooden
Speaker 5: high post duck in post reversed if EO options. You'll
Speaker 5: see any of that now. In fact, I'll tell you
Speaker 5: what Doug. When I work for Samson, I know Calvin
Speaker 5: Sampson is considered a great coach. I don't uh. He
Speaker 5: gets players to play hard and whatever. But when we
Speaker 5: had an offensive set. It was basic, simple, stupid actually
Speaker 5: based on my experience with Bob Knight. And then we
Speaker 5: would I would in charge of the offense. I would
Speaker 5: wave my hand and then flattened out. Give the ball,
Speaker 5: Eric Gordon. And that's it. And that's not how Europeans
Speaker 5: play basketball. That's not how Europeans are taught to play basketball,
Speaker 5: but we are. And I think I think it's a
Speaker 5: combination of all the things that you mentioned, all the
Speaker 5: things that I mentioned. Uh, but it pisses me off
Speaker 5: because I know you know that you knew the French
Speaker 5: were coming, but I don't care the French, the freaking French.
Speaker 5: And I know they colonized a lot of Africa. I
Speaker 5: get all that, but the freaking French should never be
Speaker 5: better than the United States of America in basketball. They
Speaker 5: just should not the freaking French. The Serbians my people, yes,
Speaker 5: but not the damn French. No French.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm taking me off is the the
Speaker 3: Lakers pig of Dalton cann act was praised by many,
Speaker 3: but the knock was that Dalton drops because of his age.
Speaker 3: That's the stuff that annoys me of this draft, because
Speaker 3: his route is one that you know that is legendary.
Speaker 3: You could, you know, you could make a movie about
Speaker 3: it if you wanted to. But here's a knock on
Speaker 3: a kid, who, by the way, is still twenty three
Speaker 3: years old. That's the stuff that takes me off about
Speaker 3: this NBA draft.
Speaker 5: I think NBA general managers are the dumbest human beings
Speaker 5: in sports in terms of administration. I listened to these guys,
Speaker 5: these guys probably doing with you. They would call me
Speaker 5: and I remember telling Brad Stevens. They go, Brad, it's
Speaker 5: only a matter of time before you win. Like every
Speaker 5: NCAA title, or excuse me, every NBA title that we
Speaker 5: talk about, I will because you call me every year.
Speaker 5: A lot of these guys call me every year, and
Speaker 5: they're stupid. They're just stupid. And I'm just fascinated by
Speaker 5: a guy that's twenty four. However, well connect is And
Speaker 5: if you think about it, Doug, I'm gonna go back
Speaker 5: to what I said initially. What I said initially was
Speaker 5: guys are in better shape, Guys are playing longer. Tell
Speaker 5: even Michael Jordan wasn't in near the shape at thirty
Speaker 5: nine or forty that Lebron James is. So why do
Speaker 5: I care. In fact, I should embrace the fact if
Speaker 5: I'm trying to win, then I'm gonna get an older,
Speaker 5: mature guy that can be coached, that will look a
Speaker 5: coach in the eye, not look away and run to
Speaker 5: his handler. I should embrace a guy whose body is
Speaker 5: developed as a twenty four year old if I'm trying
Speaker 5: to win. Now, you know how many of these guys
Speaker 5: you know that came into the league from the United
Speaker 5: States at eighteen really became great players. You know, people
Speaker 5: are gonna punk the Kobe. Okay, there's a couple, but
Speaker 5: they're outliers. There's so many guys that come into the
Speaker 5: league at a young age. I remember when Tyson Chandler
Speaker 5: and Eddie Curry were drafted to replace Michael Jordan, and
Speaker 5: I remember thinking, as a Bulls fan, well, it's gonna
Speaker 5: take ten years, you know what I mean, Like this
Speaker 5: is gonna take what I mean. I remember you've probably
Speaker 5: played against Tyson Chadler, you know, growing up as a kid,
Speaker 5: I remember thinking, Okay, yeah, they're good players, but they're
Speaker 5: not going to compete with these guys. You know, both fans,
Speaker 5: it is ten twenty and it never happened. So it's
Speaker 5: a joke. But I'm telling you my opinion, the NBA
Speaker 5: general manager and his staff know less about basketball than
Speaker 5: any I guarantee they know less about basketball than your
Speaker 5: staff at Green Bay. I bet freaking money they know
Speaker 5: less about basketball than your staff at Green Bay or
Speaker 5: any good staff that's put together with basketball guys. I've
Speaker 5: talked to these guys, I've listened to these guys. I've
Speaker 5: heard these guys evaluate, And my opinion, Brad Stevens has
Speaker 5: the easiest job in Americas because he's just smarter than
Speaker 5: all these dumbasses.
Speaker 2: I think there's some I think it's like any business.
Speaker 2: I think there's some really smart people.
Speaker 5: I think there's well, yeah, mature and I'm immature.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm just speak just like like, look again,
Speaker 2: I think Polinka, Okay, Plinka's done a great job drafting.
Speaker 2: Look at their draft record. You know that the bad
Speaker 2: pick would probably be Lonzo Ball, and that was one
Speaker 2: that was forced by magic. Right, they didn't want to
Speaker 2: take Lonzo Ball. That was that was forced by magic.
Speaker 2: Plink has done actually a damn good job with his
Speaker 2: staff of evaluating in terms of draft. What do you
Speaker 2: think of the Brownnie thing?
Speaker 5: Well, let me, stop you that, because I guess maybe
Speaker 5: I didn't make what I was saying, Claire. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: you can pick a guy, but can you put a
Speaker 5: team together? And to me, that's what a general manager's
Speaker 5: job is. You know, people can talk all they want
Speaker 5: about Jerry Kraus because Michael Jordan's mad at him and
Speaker 5: all that. But when they needed a guy, he went
Speaker 5: out and got Tony Kukos. When they need another guy,
Speaker 5: he went out, Well he got Scottie Pippen. He went
Speaker 5: out and got Steve Kerr or Phil Craig Hodges was
Speaker 5: in that role. John Paxson was in that role. Guy
Speaker 5: can make a draft choice, but can a guy put
Speaker 5: a team together? Does he understand putting personalities? Like the moves?
Speaker 5: I always said this about a kid here in Indiana,
Speaker 5: Romeo Langford. He not playing basketball to play basketball. He
Speaker 5: was at a young age by shoe company. He's coming
Speaker 5: at him same thing with a kid out of Indiana
Speaker 5: named Luke Record. So, uh, my man, Brad Stevens understands. Look,
Speaker 5: people think this Romeo Langford is a good player. People
Speaker 5: think Malcolm Brogden's a good player. Well they're not. They're
Speaker 5: good players maybe, but they're not winning guys, So I'm
Speaker 5: gonna go get Derek White.
Speaker 2: I think here, I think he didn't he draft Romeo Langford.
Speaker 5: He made? Yeah he did. Yes, he did, and I
Speaker 5: told him not to. Yes.
Speaker 2: So even even even the smartest people, and I think
Speaker 2: Brad is one of the smartest people I have ever met.
Speaker 2: Let alone, forget about basketball. Then they can make can
Speaker 2: make mistakes. And again it's a it's a cosic balancing act.
Speaker 2: Let me just let me ask you about the about Bronnie, Right,
Speaker 2: what do you think about Bronnie going fifty five to Lakers.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm kinda I'm like, look, the Greek freaks brothers
Speaker 5: all got drafted. I'm saying this yesterday. I might Indie Shield,
Speaker 5: a great freaker brothers got drafted. Lebron James. I think
Speaker 5: he's kind of earned the right. I kind of like
Speaker 5: Lebron James. And this goes back to high school when
Speaker 5: I recruited his high school recruits, not him, but his
Speaker 5: teammates and everybody from janitors to teachers really like Lebron James.
Speaker 5: Because I've always been kind of for Lebron James. And
Speaker 5: I think his kid's a nice kid. And I sit
Speaker 5: there and I go, all right, well, is it really
Speaker 5: the worst thing in the world. You know, kid didn't
Speaker 5: have a preseason, got scared with a hard thing. Maybe
Speaker 5: he's better you with no way better than me. How
Speaker 5: good he is or how good he is, And I
Speaker 5: don't know, but I really don't have a problem with it.
Speaker 5: And I do agree with what Loach said, even though
Speaker 5: you know, I didn't like the way he said it,
Speaker 5: but you know, I do agree. Like nepotism is all
Speaker 5: over hell. We got we got scouts here in Indiana,
Speaker 5: Larry Bird's kid and a J. Foytz kid, the race
Speaker 5: car driver like his grandsoner scouts for the Pacers. So
Speaker 5: nepotism is all over the place. I really don't have
Speaker 5: a problem with it. I you know, it seems like
Speaker 5: a nice kid. What the hell if you're the Lakers
Speaker 5: as well. I was hoping to eight Doug. I was
Speaker 5: hoping the Pacers would draft him and hold him hostage,
Speaker 5: like I said, all right, hey, Lebron, come here. You know,
Speaker 5: we'll pay you, or we'll trade Brownie back to the
Speaker 5: Lakers for like Austin Reeves or something, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean, like like draft him and hold him hostage
Speaker 5: to the Lakers, But I don't know. I don't have
Speaker 5: that big a problem with him.
Speaker 3: What about Jack Edie to the Grizzlies. We had Mark
Speaker 3: Stein on earlier and we're all trying to figure out
Speaker 3: how that is going to work. You've seen as much
Speaker 3: of Edie as anybody. How does he work at nine
Speaker 3: with the Grizzlies?
Speaker 5: Ninety a little early? But I do like this. The
Speaker 5: trainer that Purdue was my trainer, Bowling Grain. He's one
Speaker 5: of the smartest guys that I know. And I asked
Speaker 5: him about Edie and he said, look, he's the best
Speaker 5: thing ever happened to Zachie played for the Canadian team
Speaker 5: last summer and he learned about professional basketball. You know,
Speaker 5: there's some pros on that's a pretty good team. And
Speaker 5: he said, you know what he learned about conditioning. He
Speaker 5: learned about how he has to move his feet out,
Speaker 5: you know, screw the jump shot, which everyone was telling
Speaker 5: him he had to do. You'll get to that later,
Speaker 5: but learn to get in the best shape possible. And
Speaker 5: that's that's what he did. So I'm not one of
Speaker 5: those that eliminates zach Heat he dues. You would love
Speaker 5: him from the fact that he had and I'm guessing
Speaker 5: you've talked to him. He has a real chip on
Speaker 5: his shoulder, not one of these fake chips. You know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. He has a real chip on his shoulder,
Speaker 5: Like he's legit in his desire to improve, improve people
Speaker 5: wrong that kind of thing, you know, as you know,
Speaker 5: a lot of kids say that, as you know, a
Speaker 5: lot of cads are taught to say that. But I
Speaker 5: think Edie's is really legit. And I'm not gonna put
Speaker 5: anything past him. Is he going to be a thirty
Speaker 5: point game score? He's gonna be an All Star? I
Speaker 5: don't think so. But I'm not gonna put anything past
Speaker 5: him being a double digit score in his first year,
Speaker 5: or being a guy that people go, damn, you know what,
Speaker 5: He's pretty good. He's better than I thought.
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Speaker 5: We'll talk so, Doug, I just appreciate what you having me. Bro.
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Speaker 2: some of the worst debates in sports. We even have
Speaker 2: a very recent debate between me and Jason Stewart, our
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Speaker 2: Doug Gottlieb Dan Byron for Dan Dannett's Fox Sports Radio
Speaker 2: I Heart Radio App. Welcome in, I would do It's
Speaker 2: Friday night. Uh, we've been doing this throughout the show.
Speaker 2: On the back of whatever you want to call those debates.
Speaker 2: Last night, we thought we would bring you the debate
Speaker 2: to end all debates of the best and worst sports
Speaker 2: debates in sports, debating whatever. So with that in mind,
Speaker 2: Dan Bayer, help us out, what's the next debatable Topicly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Doug, we are finding out where you stand on
Speaker 3: the all time sports debates. We've settled Lebron versus Jordan, Magic,
Speaker 3: versus Bird Bowls versus Warriors. Heck, we even settled Shack
Speaker 3: versus Kobe. We now transition away from basketball, go to
Speaker 3: a variety of different areas. Jack Nicholas versus Tiger Woods,
Speaker 3: Doug where do you stand on who is the greatest
Speaker 3: of all time?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with Tiger Woods. By the way, recruiting
Speaker 2: last weekend took me away from going and playing in
Speaker 2: this event with Jack Nicholas, and Jack Nicholas was my
Speaker 2: dad was at Ohio State when Jack was there, So
Speaker 2: I mean, you talking about the dude. But I think
Speaker 2: Tiger obviously the depth and the depth of overall talent
Speaker 2: and the complete domination. And I understand he didn't match
Speaker 2: up with a number of majors. I think a good
Speaker 2: portion of that is injuries, but his ability to grind
Speaker 2: and get top ten finishes. I just think the fields
Speaker 2: were tougher. It's really it's a deeper pool of players.
Speaker 2: Obviously a lot of the depth of talent now in
Speaker 2: golf is because Tiger made golf cool for kids going
Speaker 2: back twenty years ago, thirty years ago. But I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go with Tiger Woods.
Speaker 4: Jason Stewart, I'm gonna go Tiger Woods. Better golfer, worse husband.
Speaker 3: Hey, I would say I would say Tiger as well.
Speaker 3: And for a long time I was actually on the
Speaker 3: jack side of things just because it was majors, that's
Speaker 3: what That's what it was for me. But when Tiger
Speaker 3: won his fifteenth Masters and beat the generation that he inspired,
Speaker 3: that was that's what put it over the top. For
Speaker 3: fifteenth Major, fifteenth Major. Yeah, what did I say Masters?
Speaker 3: I'm sorry? Yeah, fifteenth Major, twenty nineteen Masters, that's what
Speaker 3: put it over for many.
Speaker 2: That was amazing.
Speaker 3: It was amazing, Joel, is it a clean sweep or
Speaker 3: are you going with the buck guy that is Jack Nicholas,
Speaker 3: a Michigan man, would never go with a Buckeye. I
Speaker 3: would say Tiger Woods. But I was so impressed with
Speaker 3: the interview.
Speaker 4: I saw of Tiger.
Speaker 3: Woods as a kid dealing with racism in clubhouses in
Speaker 3: different states, and for him to come out to be
Speaker 3: the Tiger Woods he is. Kudos to Tiger.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The hurdles that Tiger had to go through absolutely amazing.
Speaker 3: All right, Wimbledon starts on Monday. There will be no Federer,
Speaker 3: there will be no Nadal, but there will be Novak Djokovic,
Speaker 3: greatest men's tennis player of all time. Djokovic Federer, Nadal, Doug.
Speaker 2: Who you got Aaron Kristine at the US Open, or
Speaker 2: Guy Yeah, or or Jimmy Connors when he christ. Yeah,
Speaker 2: here I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with Novak Djokovic.
Speaker 2: I mean, truthfully, I think it's nadologist injuries and I
Speaker 2: mean I know he dominated on clay, but I mean
Speaker 2: for a clay court player to play as well as
Speaker 2: he did on grass, uh and on hard court, but
Speaker 2: just the injuries, I'm gonna go with Djokovic.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know, his stance on the code vaccine is inability
Speaker 2: to be truthful probably cost him at least two more
Speaker 2: uh but in Australia. But I still think he's the
Speaker 2: greatest ever.
Speaker 3: Jason Stewart, Oh wow, what Doug just said.
Speaker 4: I think half our listeners are like, you mean, the
Speaker 4: UH mandates and the governments kept him from when But anyways,
Speaker 4: I won't go there, no, no, no, But.
Speaker 2: Like if we're honest, if we're realistic about it, had
Speaker 2: he just been like, there's something to just saying I'm
Speaker 2: not getting the vaccine and that's not how he played it.
Speaker 2: So just just to be just to be full full disclosure,
Speaker 2: like he wasn't completely canid about it. So let's not
Speaker 2: act like he's canonized now because the vaccines in many
Speaker 2: ways weren't needed.
Speaker 4: I'm going to try to not hold Federer's branding and
Speaker 4: is that that emblem on his hat and clothes. I'm
Speaker 4: going to try to hold down like the I would
Speaker 4: never buy that, But I'm gonna say he's the greatest
Speaker 4: of all time.
Speaker 3: You got Federer. I actually will go with Djokovic as well.
Speaker 3: I think when it's all said and done that we'll
Speaker 3: look back and we'll say Djokovic.
Speaker 2: That's not a joke.
Speaker 3: No, it is not Joel Joel Jokovic, all right, Novak Djokovic.
Speaker 2: Matter of fact, Joel actually just changed his name legally
Speaker 2: to be with the D before the before.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, ah, good stuff. Pete Rose in the Hall
Speaker 3: of Fame or not in the Hall of Fame, don't
Speaker 3: ever where do you stand?
Speaker 2: Never again? Pete Rose has never once been honest about
Speaker 2: the fact that he bet on baseball while being a
Speaker 2: player manager in baseball. Never once doubt report doesn't lie.
Speaker 2: It's damning. He has never once owned up to it.
Speaker 2: And so you know there's a rule right there on
Speaker 2: the clubhouse every clubhouse in baseball camp out on the sport,
Speaker 2: and he violate that rule. What's the point had rules
Speaker 2: that we don't live up to him?
Speaker 3: Jason Stewart, where do you stand on Pete Rose in Cooperstown?
Speaker 5: See?
Speaker 4: I know it's a recent thing to undo punishments and
Speaker 4: let people out of prison for laws that no longer exist.
Speaker 4: But I'm always going to be the under the belief
Speaker 4: if you willfully do something you know is against the rules,
Speaker 4: you should be bound for life.
Speaker 3: The and for life never in. All Right, I'm gonna say, gosh,
Speaker 3: even to this moment, I'm gonna say in. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: say in just to be different, Joel, not question of
Speaker 3: Pete Rose, but music bed continuing in this segment or
Speaker 3: not continuing in this segment? Okay, Now the second question,
Speaker 3: Pete Rose in the Hall of Fame or never in
Speaker 3: the Hall of fame? Joel, He's in, but he's dead already. Oh,
Speaker 3: he caveat. Joel wants death first. But then it's split
Speaker 3: in versus never two to two, all right, Belichick versus Brady.
Speaker 3: Let's switch to the NFL. A couple more of these,
Speaker 3: then we'll wrap it up.
Speaker 2: Belichick.
Speaker 3: Jason I have to go with Brady on this one. Sorry, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm going with Bill. Joel held to the victors. How
Speaker 3: about Patriots dynasty versus forty nine Ers dynasty? Just closer
Speaker 3: than people maybe would think, But.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna go Patriot. And my logic bind was
Speaker 2: the crazy part. The best Patriots teams didn't actually win
Speaker 2: a super Bowl. The undefeated team lost to the Super Bowl,
Speaker 2: and then Brady got hurt the next year with an
Speaker 2: unbelievable roster didn't actually win a super Bowl. To go
Speaker 2: ten years in the middle without winning Super Bowl, and
Speaker 2: then you know when the others in the back end,
Speaker 2: especially with the landscape of the sport changing so much.
Speaker 2: In the salary cap, I go Patriots.
Speaker 4: Jason Stewart, I can't argue with that. That's a good
Speaker 4: argument for Patriots.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting. I figured I feel that they cracked
Speaker 3: the code that nobody else got and actually feel that
Speaker 3: it put him at a stronger advantage where the Niners
Speaker 3: had to go through actually better teams. Give me the
Speaker 3: Niners in this one, Joel forty nine Ers or Patriots Patriots.
Speaker 3: Although the management with the Niners looked better than the Patriots,
Speaker 3: all right, Thursday night Must See TV on NBC A
Speaker 3: trifecta here, where do you lie? Cheers? Seinfeld Friends.
Speaker 2: Cheers one, Seinfeld two, Friends three.
Speaker 3: Okay, so the answer is cheers and Jason Stewart Man, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think Cheers is the best.
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna go Cheers. I'm not gonna rank them,
Speaker 4: just cheers.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take Seinfeld on this one, Joel Cheers Cheers Wow.
Speaker 3: And finally in and out versus Waterburger.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah we hear it. Did not see that one coming.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: I hate this one. Actually, this is the This is
Speaker 3: the debate that I hate the most because it's just
Speaker 3: so annoying on a meet Friday. It's the only way
Speaker 3: to end it.
Speaker 2: I think I gotta go Terburger. I is this own
Speaker 2: me in my home state, whatever, But I'm gonna go let.
Speaker 4: A burger, Jason. I had a waterburger once. Uh, and
Speaker 4: it's tasted like a Burger king whopper, and that's much
Speaker 4: inferior to in and out.
Speaker 3: In and out burgers are best. I call it what
Speaker 3: an awful burger? Give me in an out Joel. The
Speaker 3: final say what a burger?
Speaker 6: There?
Speaker 3: It is your debates of.
Speaker 2: All you ever had? You ever had doctor pepper shake
Speaker 2: at What Burger? No, that's good. Plus they got the
Speaker 2: spicy ketchup. What a ketchup? I love it. And at
Speaker 2: Burger and the people who say, well, I don't wake
Speaker 2: in Altburgers fries, that's because the other fries are not
Speaker 2: real French fries. These are real French fries. Huge Whataburger guy.
Speaker 2: And you know, if somebody would throw in some Kings
Speaker 2: of Wine rolls with him, that'd be amazing. Happy Meat
Speaker 2: Friday to you. Have a great weekend for Dan Bayer,
Speaker 2: Jason gorre Joel. I'm Doug Gottliep. This The Dan Patrick Show.